Re: "Bug" in Debian Installer? S.W.A.G.

[Jude DaShiell]

7My reason for suggesting changing debconf priority to low was that
perhaps additional questions might have uncovered some strangeness in the
installer.  It was not intended to fix this bug but only as a means to
further analyze the bug.  Apparently those on this list failed to
understand but that's understandable since trolls don't attempt to think
through future probable outcomes of other's proposed actions.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Geert Stappers wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 07:09:58PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 03:37:54PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 07:20:58PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > > > [1] I needed a websearch on S.W.A.G.   Did find
> > > > - Sharing Warmth Around the Globe
> > > > -   
> > > > -   
> > > >
> > > } Stopped searching upon
> > > > Something We All Get (tired of hearing)
> > >
> > > I think it's either "Stupid Wild-Ass Guess" or "Silly Wild-Ass Guess".
>
> Yeah, I think it is.
>
>
> > In my experience (and usage) it was "Scientific Wild Ass Guess".
>
> Acknowledge on scientific usage and scientific experience.
>
>
> First appearance of S.W.A.G. in this thread was in a top post.
> That made it a Silly Wild Ass Guess.
>
> Follow up message ( debconf/priority was not changed ) made
> it a Stupid Wild Ass Guess.
>
> Back to "Sharing Warmth Around the Globe":
>
> Replying below previous text helps understanding each other.
>
>
> Regards
> Geert Stappers
>

Re: "Bug" in Debian Installer?

[Jude DaShiell]

d-i makes no distinction between nvme and usb.  Maybe another problem is
the chosen installation destination might not be passed to the code that
does the grub install.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023, David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 15:51:46 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> > On 4/15/23 02:36, Andrew Wood wrote:
> > > Ive just used the Debian 11 installer ISO running from a USB stick
> > > to do an install (AMD64/UEFI) on another USB stick to use as a
> > > 'portable PC'.
> > >
> > > When it got to the Grub install stage I was expecting it to ask me
> > > which disk I wanted Grub installed on as it has in the past but
> > > instead it did not.
> > >
> > > When I came to reboot the PC I found not only had it put Grub on
> > > the USB it had also put on the PCs NVMe SSD overwriting the
> > > Windows bootloader on there.
> > >
> > > Surely it should have prompted which disk I wanted it on? I
> > > thought it was only Windows that trashed other peoples bootloaders
> > > ;)
> >
> > I recently had a similarly confusing experience with a Dell Precision
> > 3630 with an NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Pro, and BIOS Setup configured
> > as follows:
> >
> > "System Configuration" -> "SATA Operation" -> "AHCI"
> >
> >
> > I installed a 2.5" SATA SSD, inserted a debian-11.6.0-amd64-netinst
> > CD, booted the CD, and installed Debian:
> >
> > "Debian GNU/Linux UEFI Installer menu" -> "Install"
> > ...
> > "Partitioning method" -> "Manual" -> <2.5" SATA SSD>
> > ...
>
> What was the partitioning layout you used on this disk at that time?
>
> > In the past, d-i "Install" would prompt me regarding GRUB.  This time,
> > it did not.
> >
> >
> > When d-i was complete, the computer could boot either Windows or
> > Debian, with suitable BIOS Setup
> >
> > "General" -> "Boot Sequence"
> >
> >
> > When I moved the 2.5" SATA SSD to a homebrew Intel DQ67SW computer and
> > configured BIOS Setup:
> >
> > "Boot" -> "UEFI Boot" -> "Enable"
> >
> > The SSD would not boot.
> >
> >
> > I zeroed the SSD and installed Debian again.  The SSD now works in
> > both computers.
> >
> >
> > I later discovered that the first install created a directory and put
> > files into the Dell's ESP (!).  I did not select this, nor do I desire
> > it.  This is a defect with d-i:
> >
> > 2023-04-15 15:10:34 root@taz ~
> > # ls -ld /mnt/nvme0n1p1/EFI/debian
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 16 22:19 /mnt/nvme0n1p1/EFI/debian
> >
> > 2023-04-15 15:10:36 root@taz ~
> > # ls -l /mnt/nvme0n1p1/EFI/debian
> > total 5892
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 108 Mar 16 22:19 BOOTX64.CSV
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   84648 Mar 16 22:19 fbx64.efi
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 121 Mar 16 22:19 grub.cfg
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4150720 Mar 16 22:19 grubx64.efi
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  845480 Mar 16 22:19 mmx64.efi
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  934240 Mar 16 22:19 shimx64.efi
> >
> >
> > So, I agree that d-i "Install" choice has bug(s) when installing
> > Debian into a computer with multiple storage devices.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>

Re: "Bug" in Debian Installer?

[Jude DaShiell]

You've never seen debian main menu in the installer.  That's selection 19
on that main menu and selection 21 helps big time with debugging since you
choose that to save log files and selection 3 under that will save logs to
/var/log/installer directory.  Two ways to get to main menu.  First and
slowest is to hit < sign several times until the menu comes up once
installer started.  Second, use boot options and a enter i enter x enter I
think will put you in the installer main menu when the installer comes up.
I usually do a  i  s  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023, Andrew Wood wrote:

>
> On 15/04/2023 18:20, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > Time will tell if original poster shares information
> > on whether or not if priority for debian-install was changed.
>
>
> Nothing was changed. I dont even know what that is. Ive installed Debian on
> many  systems over the past 12 years and have never altered a 'priority' in
> the installer.
>
>
>

Re: "Bug" in Debian Installer?

[Jude DaShiell]

A s.w.a.g. here.  Priority of questions asked was not set to low in the
main menu.  I routinely change that to low when doing a debian install and
preserve logs for future reference.  Default priority if memory serves is
medium.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023, Geert Stappers wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:36:14AM +0100, Andrew Wood wrote:
> > Ive just used the Debian 11 installer ISO running from a USB stick to do an
> > install (AMD64/UEFI) on another USB stick to use as a 'portable PC'.
> >
> > When it got to the Grub install stage I was expecting it to ask me which
> > disk I wanted Grub installed on as it has in the past but instead it did
> > not.
>
> Way before "grub install" should have been asked
>
>On which disk to install
>
>
> > When I came to reboot the PC I found not only had it put Grub on the USB it
> > had also put on the PCs NVMe SSD overwriting the Windows bootloader on
> > there.
>
> I do read "two devices were effected", I think it is the same error of
>
>
>On which disk to install
>
>
>
> > Surely it should have prompted which disk I wanted it on?
>
> Yes.  And it does. Normally.
>
>
> Please make it possible to reproduce what is encountered.
> Yeah, I would like to known what happened
> and I say right now there is not enough information to reproduce.
>
>
> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
>

Re: bookworm multimedia scripts silent in console but play in mate-terminal

[Jude DaShiell]

Pipewire is now on this machine since this didn't work with pulseaudio
either.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Here's one script that works that way.  Standard package install choices
> > were done desktop environment, mate, and standard utilities.
> > An install with only standard utilities and no desktop environment and no
> > mate prevents this script from playing at all.
>
> > #!/usr/bin/env bash
> > # file: wdvr.sh - shell script tune into wdvr
> > station="https://wdvrfm.org/live;
> > mpv --really-quiet $station
>
> My initial guess is that mpv is trying to play through
> PulseAudio, or via ALSA in a way which requires mpv to have sole
> control of ALSA (and that control is not available).
>
> --audio-device=help (and then setting an appropriate driver)
> might help.
>
> -dsr-
>

bookworm multimedia scripts silent in console but play in mate-terminal

[Jude DaShiell]

Here's one script that works that way.  Standard package install choices
were done desktop environment, mate, and standard utilities.
An install with only standard utilities and no desktop environment and no
mate prevents this script from playing at all.
Mpv is already installed on this machine too.
#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: wdvr.sh - shell script tune into wdvr
station="https://wdvrfm.org/live;
mpv --really-quiet $station

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

[Jude DaShiell]

Something else I've noticed with bash.
Those work when run in mate-terminal but not in console for some strange
reason.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> When I write bash scripts and I've done this for several debian versions I
> use:
> #!/usr/bin/env bash
> That has worked in the past.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, David wrote:
>
> > In Debian, shell scripts that have
> > #!/usr/bin/sh
> > as the first line are executed by the 'dash' shell.
> >
> > If you write such scripts, you might be interested
> > to know that 'dash' currently has a behaviour
> > change in Debian version 12 Bookworm compared to
> > Debian version 11 Bullseye.
> >
> > This is being discussed at
> >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1028002
> >
> > Below is a demo of the change which shows an
> > example of possible consequences.
> >
> > In Debian version 11 Bullseye,
> > Bash and 'dash' behave the same:
> > $ cat /etc/debian_version
> > 11.6
> > $ mkdir eek
> > $ cd eek
> > $ touch aa bb 11 22
> > $ bash
> > $ echo [!0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ echo [^0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ sh
> > $ echo [!0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ echo [^0-9]*
> > aa bb
> >
> > In Debian version 12 Bookworm,
> > Bash and 'dash' behave differently:
> > $ cat /etc/debian_version
> > 12.0
> > $ mkdir eek
> > $ cd eek
> > $ touch aa bb 11 22
> > $ bash
> > $ echo [!0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ echo [^0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ sh
> > $ echo [!0-9]*
> > aa bb
> > $ echo [^0-9]*
> > 11 22   <-- new behaviour by dash
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

[Jude DaShiell]

When I write bash scripts and I've done this for several debian versions I
use:
#!/usr/bin/env bash
That has worked in the past.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, David wrote:

> In Debian, shell scripts that have
> #!/usr/bin/sh
> as the first line are executed by the 'dash' shell.
>
> If you write such scripts, you might be interested
> to know that 'dash' currently has a behaviour
> change in Debian version 12 Bookworm compared to
> Debian version 11 Bullseye.
>
> This is being discussed at
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1028002
>
> Below is a demo of the change which shows an
> example of possible consequences.
>
> In Debian version 11 Bullseye,
> Bash and 'dash' behave the same:
> $ cat /etc/debian_version
> 11.6
> $ mkdir eek
> $ cd eek
> $ touch aa bb 11 22
> $ bash
> $ echo [!0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ echo [^0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ sh
> $ echo [!0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ echo [^0-9]*
> aa bb
>
> In Debian version 12 Bookworm,
> Bash and 'dash' behave differently:
> $ cat /etc/debian_version
> 12.0
> $ mkdir eek
> $ cd eek
> $ touch aa bb 11 22
> $ bash
> $ echo [!0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ echo [^0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ sh
> $ echo [!0-9]*
> aa bb
> $ echo [^0-9]*
> 11 22   <-- new behaviour by dash
>
>

Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin?

[Jude DaShiell]

Perl or python, which has the most supported sysadmin tools?


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023, Michel Verdier wrote:

> Le 2 avril 2023 Nicholas Geovanis a écrit :
>
> > Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
> > European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in
> > perl were fake :-) because it was another fad. You can feel the difference
> > in python. 3 styles you could code in python: old-fashioned procedural,
> > functional like lisp, or modern OO.
>
> IMO style is perhaps important for development. But libs et regex are
> more important for sysadmin. I use python if a library is there or if I
> need to interface another python program. In example mutagen for covering
> mp3 files. And I use perl everywhere when I need a regex: parsing logs
> and the like. Specially with backref and substitution which are painful
> with python (IMO).
>
>

Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin?

[Jude DaShiell]

M.I.T. is giving python's compiler some long overdue love which should
speed it up considerably.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> coreyh wrote:
>
> > I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written
> > by perl.
>
> And in C?
>
> > is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
>
> If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but
> there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little
> bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot.
>
> Most guys know one or two things really well and then enough
> to get by everywhere else, so there's where I'd put Python and
> Perl respectively, this day and age ...
>
>

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

[Jude DaShiell]

When the installation starts up, hit the < key until a numbered menu comes
up.  A default will be on the menu don't take the default yet.  Choose 19
which should be change priority and choose 4 in tha t low priority
messages.  When you get back out to the menu choose 21 save logs and
choose save logs to mounted file system and hit enter.
Then when you get out to the menu again take the default number and go as
far as you are able.  Your logs will be in /var/logs and those should be
sent to debian-b...@lists.debian.org with any additional information you
would like to share.
That may get debian improved.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Ismael Farfán wrote:

> El mié, 29 mar 2023 a la(s) 10:33, Jude DaShiell (jdash...@panix.com)
> escribió:
>
> > Could it be Debian hasn't got your firmware in any of its installations?
> > That points at very new firmware.
> >
> >
> The issue is that the installation should continue anyway and get packages
> from the DVD, instead the installer hangs there forever without any message.
>
> The the snapshots installer worked just fine 
>
>
>
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Ismael Farfán wrote:
> >
> > > I tried with these 2 installers:
> > > 7da925a34f6f7ab6e39ad64514139afb
> > debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> > > 547c0e2f85ec04ffec6d08a1e84c64e6
> > >  debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-netinst.iso
> > >
> > > both contain firmware-misc-nonfree_20230117-2_all.deb
> > > which is, I guess, where it's trying to load the firmware from.
> > > There's a newer version of the firmware in testing though:
> > > firmware-misc-nonfree_20230210-4_all.deb
> > >
> > > I noticed there's a second installer in the *snapshots* section, it also
> > > fails to load the firmware but the *installation continues correctly* to
> > > the next step
> > > aa5e3fe762300ba87fce77a6bf260a3e  debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > -Ismael
> > >
> > >
> > > El mié, 29 mar 2023 a la(s) 09:16, David Wright (
> > deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk)
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > > On Tue 28 Mar 2023 at 12:57:28 (-0600), Ismael Farfán wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to install Bookworm on a G513QY laptop with MT7921 wifi
> > > > adapter.
> > > > >
> > > > > As soon as the installer (Net or DVD) tries to detect the HW, the
> > > > installer
> > > > > stops blank.
> > > > >
> > > > > The last thing I see in dmesg is something like
> > > > > Detected ethernet HW, renamed to eth0 (succeed)
> > > > > then... :
> > > > > Failed to load mt7821 firmware (lots of this)
> > > > > hardware init failed
> > > > > [ loaded modules]
> > > > > [ stack trace ]
> > > > > 
> > > > > rfkill
> > > > > wiphy
> > > > > ieee802
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas or workaround for this?
> > > > >
> > > > > I also tried with the advanced installer from the DVD but it always
> > wants
> > > > > to try detecting the network HW and stops there.
> > > >
> > > > You need to post the full names of what you used to install with.
> > > > It's likely that your downloads aren't the firmware-inclusive
> > > > versions that you need. If so, you need to download one containing
> > > > the non-free firmware, which appears to be available:
> > > >
> > > >  * MediaTek MT7921 hdr firmware, version 20230117170855a
> > > >(mediatek/WIFI_MT7961_patch_mcu_1_2_hdr.bin)
> > > >  * MediaTek MT7921 firmware, version 20230117170942
> > > >(mediatek/WIFI_RAM_CODE_MT7961_1.bin)
> > > >
> > > > It's also /possible/ that the bookworm installer is still not
> > > > production-ready yet.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

[Jude DaShiell]

Could it be Debian hasn't got your firmware in any of its installations?
That points at very new firmware.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Ismael Farfán wrote:

> I tried with these 2 installers:
> 7da925a34f6f7ab6e39ad64514139afb  debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> 547c0e2f85ec04ffec6d08a1e84c64e6
>  debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-netinst.iso
>
> both contain firmware-misc-nonfree_20230117-2_all.deb
> which is, I guess, where it's trying to load the firmware from.
> There's a newer version of the firmware in testing though:
> firmware-misc-nonfree_20230210-4_all.deb
>
> I noticed there's a second installer in the *snapshots* section, it also
> fails to load the firmware but the *installation continues correctly* to
> the next step
> aa5e3fe762300ba87fce77a6bf260a3e  debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso
>
> Regards
> -Ismael
>
>
> El mié, 29 mar 2023 a la(s) 09:16, David Wright (deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk)
> escribió:
>
> > On Tue 28 Mar 2023 at 12:57:28 (-0600), Ismael Farfán wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to install Bookworm on a G513QY laptop with MT7921 wifi
> > adapter.
> > >
> > > As soon as the installer (Net or DVD) tries to detect the HW, the
> > installer
> > > stops blank.
> > >
> > > The last thing I see in dmesg is something like
> > > Detected ethernet HW, renamed to eth0 (succeed)
> > > then... :
> > > Failed to load mt7821 firmware (lots of this)
> > > hardware init failed
> > > [ loaded modules]
> > > [ stack trace ]
> > > 
> > > rfkill
> > > wiphy
> > > ieee802
> > >
> > >
> > > Any ideas or workaround for this?
> > >
> > > I also tried with the advanced installer from the DVD but it always wants
> > > to try detecting the network HW and stops there.
> >
> > You need to post the full names of what you used to install with.
> > It's likely that your downloads aren't the firmware-inclusive
> > versions that you need. If so, you need to download one containing
> > the non-free firmware, which appears to be available:
> >
> >  * MediaTek MT7921 hdr firmware, version 20230117170855a
> >(mediatek/WIFI_MT7961_patch_mcu_1_2_hdr.bin)
> >  * MediaTek MT7921 firmware, version 20230117170942
> >(mediatek/WIFI_RAM_CODE_MT7961_1.bin)
> >
> > It's also /possible/ that the bookworm installer is still not
> > production-ready yet.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Playing Card Symbols

[Jude DaShiell]

that's alpine for now.  If I can't fix it I'll have to switch and that's
alpine running on panix.com.  I'll look through the configuration and find
what I can.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 04:10:37PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I'm using espeak-ng and reading this message with the symbols in it only
> > generated silence when trying to read the symbols.  I'm using utf-8 here
> > and don't have any kind of font chosen or set so far as I know.  On my end
> > all of this is happening in the console environment.
>
> You may be using UTF-8 in your terminal, but your email was sent with
> "7bit" encoding.  The playing card suit glyphs were all replaced with
> question marks.
>
> So, I think there's something wrong in your mail client.
>
>

Re: Playing Card Symbols

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm using espeak-ng and reading this message with the symbols in it only
generated silence when trying to read the symbols.  I'm using utf-8 here
and don't have any kind of font chosen or set so far as I know.  On my end
all of this is happening in the console environment.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

> Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 12:04:53PM -0400, Thomas George wrote:
> > > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and
> > > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster
> > > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering
> > > CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thunderbird email to a
> > > friend he receives only the unicode.
> >
> > If you paste, or type, one of these Unicode characters into the body
> > of your email, and if your Mail User Agent correctly encodes it and
> > sets the right MIME headers, then it should work as intended.
> >
> > ? ? ? ?
> >
> > I'm using mutt, and it looks like mutt is going to send this message
> > encoded as "text/plain, 8bit, utf-8".
> >
> > The reading MUA will have to be able to display these characters
> > (something about fonts, which are not my strong point).
>
> I think that is exactly the OP's point. It is somewhat likely that the
> recipient will be using a font that does not include the playing card
> glyphs, and the OP wonders why they aren't more universal in fonts.
>
> > Just to be clear, are you using some kind of Desktop Environment
> > specific means of entering these Unicode characters?  I don't know
> > what CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode means.  If I try it here, it just gets
> > interpreted as Ctrl-U which kills the line I'm typing in vim.
>
> No, he's using a standard keyboard mechanism which works well inside
> gvim here for example, or in a normal terminal (lxterminal to be
> precise). You hold down CTRL and SHIFT and then press U. You should see
> an underlined lower case letter U. Now type the four digit code, e.g.
> 2660. You will see the digits be echoed, also underlined and perhaps
> with a coloured background. Now press ENTER and the whole lot is
> magically replaced with a 'black spade suit' glyph.
>
> > The way I entered these characters was, first, to look up their
> > Unicode values on the web (2660, 2663, 2665 and 2666).  Then in a
> > terminal running bash, I used printf '\u2660\n' and so on.  I used
> > the mouse to copy and paste the characters from that terminal into
> > this one, where I'm writing this email (in vim, in mutt, in screen,
> > in rxvt-unicode).
>
> ? it also appears to work directly in my MUA (claws).
>
> > I could also have copy/pasted the characters from the web page where I
> > found their Unicode code point numbers.
> >
> > > I don't understand why these symbols are not as ubiquitous as all
> > > the smiley faces.
> >
> > Well, I guess card games are not as popular among the younger crowd.
>
> I suspect you may be right, which I find disappointing as an
> explanation for the phenomenon.
>
>

Re: Playing Card Symbols

[Jude DaShiell]

You know, if all of those symbols were in some font set and had text
labels attached to them that could speak when a screen reader was used a
whole bunch of playing card applications would suddenly become accessible
for screen reader users.

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:04:53 -0400
> Thomas George  wrote:
>
> > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and
> > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster
> > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering
> > CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thunderbird email to a
> > friend he receives only the unicode.
>
> What do you mean by "CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode"? What do you mean by "he
> receives only the unicode"?
>
> Since you are on this list, I assume you are running a recent version
> of Debian and Thunderbird. The playing card symbols are unicode
> characters, the same as A, ;, or {. They just aren't on your
> keyboard. You even have your choice of black ? or white ?. There are
> also characters for individual playing cards: ?.
>
> There are a number of ways to get them. One way is to look
> them up in another program, such as gucharmap (in the package of the
> same name) and copy them to your email, which is what I just did.
>
> Once you send your email, displaying those characters is your
> recipient's problem. If he doesn't have the characters to display,
> chances are his display software will show some place-holder. I
> conjecture that what you mean by "he receives only the unicode" is that
> he sees a placeholder instead of the character.
>
>
>

Re: cpan oddity

[Jude DaShiell]

I ran the cpan command as regular user not sudo.  I configured cpan to
elevate privileges as necessary with sudo.  I ended up wiping the whole
cpan installation and starting over using local lib rather than sudo.  For
now it seems more successful.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

> f...@dnsbed.com wrote:
> > On 2023-03-27 08:21, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > I ran cpan and did quick configuration and chose sudo to elevate
> > > privileges when necessary.  Unfortunately I don't have write access
> > > on /usr/local/bin so cpan is crippled.
> >
> > try cpanminus?
> > $ sudo apt install cpanminus
>
> Yes, I haven't used cpan in many years. Use cpanm instead.
>
> As to the lack of write permission problem. I think we'll need more
> information about what you did and what the output was. If your sudo
> made you root, then how could you not have write access?
>
>

cpan oddity

[Jude DaShiell]

I ran cpan and did quick configuration and chose sudo to elevate
privileges when necessary.  Unfortunately I don't have write access on
/usr/local/bin so cpan is crippled.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

[Jude DaShiell]

Ansi gets used to make the eye candy then that ansi breaks screen reader
accessibility with cli screen readers.  No thank you!


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, cor...@free.fr wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with rich/colorful
> interactive views.
> But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
> for example, run "df -h" we got the statistics with plain text. But web
> statistics for cloud storage (GCP,AWS etc) are chart like, which give people
> more intuitive feeling.
>
> Thanks
> Corey H.
>
>

Re: bookworm sha256sum may be defective

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks for checking this for me, apparently I've got hardware problems.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-2.iso.sha256
> > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-2.iso
>
> Let's see what an older Debian perceives (... downloading 3.7 GiB lasts a
> while ...):
>
>   $ sha256sum -c slint64-15.0-2.iso.sha256
>   slint64-15.0-2.iso: OK
>
> Various checksums:
>
>   $ sha256sum slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   cc0421fdd9630d3bb3ea8ef338c7cfb7a29fd8df98ccbae3debed60847a976a3  
> slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   $ sha512sum slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   
> faf3210c680caeb5875651989aeb2841b4a0733a618b8d13e5163ebf5c16046d82d4ee645d471664604eeb164e0bd7b919f64e4798167f48a6ed2e935d06d6a4
>   slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   $ md5sum slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   f00a3d3bf641309feac4b1aa9abacf4f  slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   $ crc32 slint64-15.0-2.iso
>   3ed8c08a
>   $
>
> I don't think that somebody fiddled with pickles like md5sum or crc32.
> So only if sha256sum says mismatch and md5sum says match, then i would
> suspect that sha256sum is broken.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: bookworm sha256sum may be defective

[Jude DaShiell]

Another contact has done repeated testing on both local and remote
instances of these files and has no failures.  I'm suspecting the solid
state drive is going south.  Fortunately this computer came with two
internal so I'll start using the other drive from now on and hope I can
duplicate my contact's successful verifications.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023, davidson wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 davidson wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >> I have had multiple verification failures checking an iso with a sha256sum
> >> verification file and am wondering if that program and the rest of the
> >> shaxxxsum programs have one or more bugs that could account for these
> >> failures.
> >
> > Let the sha256sum program be a box of test strips that indicate
> > presence of poison.
> >
> > Let the files you provide the sha256sum program be a beverage.
> >
> > If a single test indicated poison, my first thought would not be,
> > "Maybe the test strips are defective".
>
> Typo below:
>
> > And if *repeated* tests indicated poison, and did so consistently, my
> > first thought would not *definitely* not be, "Maybe the test strips
> > are defective".
>
> s/not *definitely* not/*definitely* not/
>
> In other words, repeated consistent indications of poison would
> confirm my first reaction: the drink is most likely poisonous.
>
> One can imagine situations that would cause me to doubt the test
> strips, but the situation described by the OP is definitely not one of
> them.
>
>

Re: bookworm sha256sum may be defective

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes they're available and no no other checksum files are available.
https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-2.iso.sha256
https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-2.iso


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I have had multiple verification failures checking an iso with a sha256sum
> > verification file and am wondering if that program and the rest of the
> > shaxxxsum programs have one or more bugs that could account for these
> > failures.
>
> That would be quite surprising, given how much these programs are used.
>
> Is the ISO and the sha256sum file still available for download ?
> Are there other checksum files (MD5, SHA512) for that ISO ?
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: bookworm sha256sum may be defective

[Jude DaShiell]

If by sd card you mean solid state drive, thanks for letting me know.
Fortunately I had two of these drives installed in this computer so can
use the other one and replace the bad one.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 9:36?AM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > I have had multiple verification failures checking an iso with a sha256sum
> > verification file and am wondering if that program and the rest of the
> > shaxxxsum programs have one or more bugs that could account for these
> > failures.
>
> That usually indicates the download was corrupted.
>
> If you are working on a SDcard, then the media is going bad.
>
> Jeff
>
>

bookworm sha256sum may be defective

[Jude DaShiell]

I have had multiple verification failures checking an iso with a sha256sum
verification file and am wondering if that program and the rest of the
shaxxxsum programs have one or more bugs that could account for these
failures.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: apparently bookworm tasksel is deprecated or broken

[Jude DaShiell]

Right, I made the mistake of keying in numbers.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:47:22AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > root@taf:~# tasksel
> > Software selection
> > --
> >
> > You can choose to install one or more of the following predefined
> > collections of software.
> >
> >   1. Debian desktop environment  3. ... Xfce 5. ... KDE Plasma
> > 7. ... MATE  9. ... LXQt 11. SSH server
> >   2. ... GNOME   4. ... GNOME Flashback  6. ... Cinnamon
> > 8. ... LXDE  10. web server  12. laptop
> >
> > (Enter the items or ranges you want to select, separated by spaces.)
> >
> > Choose software to install: 1 9
> >
> >
> > Installing packages
> > ---
> >
> > ..100%
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tasksel works for a sighted user - can you help the list with how
> your list was generated?
>
> Sighted users see [ ] type boxes - toggling space bar checks/unchecks
> the box by putting a * in it - I think that's in a busybox style screen
>
> All best, as ever
>
> Andy Cater
> >
>
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
>
>

Re: auto restarting in crontab

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried installing task-lxqt-desktop using apt and that didn't go well at
all.  Since I use a screen reader I ended up installing bullseye mate with
the installation disc then upgrading to bookworm.  That worked.  So far as
I can tell, a11y work was not done on lxqt to bring up orca if speakup got
used during an install.  I was curious as to differences between mate and
lxqt which is why I tried the install.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Ritter wrote:

> p...@ymail.ne.jp wrote:
> > For dev stuff, for example, I have many versions of ruby installed in the 
> > system by rbenv.
> >
> > Since I often change default ruby in interactive shell, this may break the 
> > ruby for sysadmin job in crontab. What?s the solution for this?
>
>
> Everywhere it matters, set an explicit PATH at the beginning.
>
> There is no other solution.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

apparently bookworm tasksel is deprecated or broken

[Jude DaShiell]

root@taf:~# tasksel
Software selection
--

You can choose to install one or more of the following predefined
collections of software.

  1. Debian desktop environment  3. ... Xfce 5. ... KDE Plasma
7. ... MATE  9. ... LXQt 11. SSH server
  2. ... GNOME   4. ... GNOME Flashback  6. ... Cinnamon
8. ... LXDE  10. web server  12. laptop

(Enter the items or ranges you want to select, separated by spaces.)

Choose software to install: 1 9


Installing packages
---

..100%




Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: real debian or true debian?

[Jude DaShiell]

Likely debuan came up for consideration in this context.  That if it is
the case can be handled easily.  Rather than real or true original would
better fit in this case since debuan is a fork of debian.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023, cor...@free.fr wrote:

> On 13/03/2023 10:12, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 9:02?PM  wrote:
> >>
> >> When such a debian (the digital product) is authentic, should we say it
> >> "real debian" or "true debian"?
> >>
> >> I am not sure about this statement.
> >
> > I am having trouble parsing what you are asking... What is the context?
> >
> > Debian provides distribution media, and it has Debian packages and
> > installs a Debian system. If it is not a Debian system, then it is not
> > a Debian installer and does not have Debian packages.
> >
> > I'm not sure what "true" and "authentic" have to do with things.
> >
> > Maybe you are talking about the signature?
> >
>
> No. I meant, some people pre-installed some packages on debian and release it,
> which is declared as xxx-debian.
>
> I am just not sure about the two words "true" and "real". which is suitable
> for description of the "official" debian?
>
> Thanks
> Corey
>
>

Re: ASCII formatting for plain text email

[Jude DaShiell]

boxes specializes in that.  chafa may help those that get your ascii boxes
put those characters into the printable set.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 01:49:18 PM Pierre Willaime wrote:
> > ... I am looking for a convenient way to
> > "draw" some ASCII boxes such as
> >
> > #
> > ## some title here ##
> > #
>
> > Do you know dedicated tools or text editor to do such things the easy
> > way on an everyday basis?
>
> I know there are (or at least have been, even back in the days of dos) such
> tools (I can't remember any names atm).
>
> Try googling for "ascii art".
>
>

Re: partition appears to be mounted, but not according to umount or lsblk

[Jude DaShiell]

I wonder if blkid might be a bit more informative.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:03:14PM +, thyme after thyme wrote:
> > Hello lovely debianizers,
> >
> > My Debian 10 machine has two physical disks, sda and sdb. The
> > (encrypted) root filesystem is on sdb, meanwhile I?ve used
> > fstab/crypttab to mount an (encrypted) partition on sda to
> > /mnt/data01-hdd, where I?ve stored some stuff:
> >
> > user@hostname:/$ ls -gh /mnt/data01-hdd/
> > total 4.0K
> > drwxr-xr-x 5 1007 4.0K Jan  1 23:02 backups
>
> Perhaps that stuff is just on the directory (using space
> in the partition containing that directory...
>
> > However, when i do
> > user@hostname:/$ sudo umount /mnt/data01-hdd
> >
> > umount complains thus:
> > umount: /mnt/data01-hdd: not mounted.
>
> ...and the partition you think is mounted isn't, after all?
>
> You mount stuff on directories. Those are just plain old directories
> and you can put stuff in them without having anything mounted.
>
> Cheers
>

Re: Passwords

[Jude DaShiell]

pass phrase length and complexity.  At least 16 characters; Starts and
ends with a letter, has two symbols, two numbers two upper-case two
lower-case.  Nothing found in dictionaries in pass phrase no keyboard
walking, no recognizeable keyboard patterns may work for a few seconds.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, daven...@tuxfamily.org wrote:

> Hello
>
> On 2023-01-17 09:51, DdB wrote:
> > Am 17.01.2023 um 07:14 schrieb Stanislav Vlasov:
> >> ??, 17 ???. 2023 ?. ? 11:01, David :
> >>> Looking on the internet it says the passwords are stored in /etc/passwd
> >>> and /etc/shadow
> >>
> >> In /etc/shadow only password's hashes, some data, one-way calculated
> >> from password string.
> >>
> >>> The password string in /etc/shadow looks as if it's encoded, how can I
> >>> read this string?
> >>
> >> You can't.
> > Everyone (and their friend) seem to know, how to work around this, which
> > apparently is common debian knowledge (which is nice).
> >
> > But somehow, i feel there could be more caring about avoiding to teach
> > future hackers by accident. Is this kind of lesson appropriate for a
> > users list? - I doubt it.
> >
> > just my 2 cents
> > DdB
>
>
> It's not hacking. It's typical administration system stuff. A required
> knowledge so you don't end up locked out of your own system in non-encypted
> installation. It requires physical access to the computer, so applicable from
> distance as you need to either
> - remove then mount the hard drive on another machine.
> - boot from a live USB.
> - boot into GRUB's rescue-shell.
>
> But if you're worried about physical access to your computer (as a laptop than
> can be easily stolen, or left in hotel room, or whatever), an account password
> isn't going to protect your data or from someone alter your password /install
> fishy stuff?
>
> In such case, you need to protect your system by encrypt it. And not just
> encrypt /home as the files you need to protect in order to protect the system
> from password tampering are NOT in /home. Debian installer has an option to
> encrypt the system quite easily, you just need time for the initial
> installation is it spends an good amount of writing random data (m?re or less
> acceptable duration depending on your disk speed and CPU performance). And
> re-ecrypt it when needed/when algorithmes get broken and new better ones
> become the new recommended standard/if your decryption passphrase is known by
> someone else/whatever.
>
> But it only makes sense of your decryption key has a long complex passphase.
> An easily brute-forceable or guessable password for disk encryption defeats
> the very own purpose of disk encryption. It basically means if you forget the
> passphrase, you're pretty much screwed until you either remembrer it, or
> reinstall and reconfigure everything. so you need to have backup [1] in secure
> place.
>
> ---
> 1. But again, backups are required anyway, encrypted installs or not. Storage
> support do fail and/or get stolen. Never trust a single storage device. Or a
> "cloud" backup bullshit. Cloud being nothing else than someone's else computer
> who can do whatever they want on it, kick users whenever they please or abuse
> personal data for profit if they want to (whether they do it in a "legal" or
> semi-legal way or not doesn't matter. As they have the technical means to do
> so and users have no means to check what's going on [2]. Including when data
> is "encrypted" IF encryption and decryption happens on their systems).
> 2. It's already hard enough to know what's going on on one's own computer, let
> alone distant systems managed by someone else?
>
>
>

Re: Passwords

[Jude DaShiell]

futureproofing could include encrypting passwords then logging those on
paper in encrypted form.  Just remember where you keep that log and
remember your encryption for recovery if you forget your password again.
Us totally blind people not only have braille as an encryption technique
but other forms of writing we can use in braille for additional
encryption.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:

> ??, 17 ???. 2023 ?. ? 11:01, David :
>
> > I have forgotten my password to a Debian PC using an SD stick as it's
> > main drive.
>
> > Looking on the internet it says the passwords are stored in /etc/passwd
> > and /etc/shadow
>
>  In /etc/shadow only password's hashes, some data, one-way calculated
> from password string.
>
> > The password string in /etc/shadow looks as if it's encoded, how can I
> > read this string?
>
> You can't.
> But you can set new password, if you boot from live-usb/live-cd, mount
> your system to dir and run `chroot dir && passwd $user`
>
>

Re: How can I check (and run) if an *.exe is a DOS or a Windows program?

[Jude DaShiell]

If I remember correctly, dos and windows .com and .exe programs all have
control-z as their first character.  The file command may also help.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: How can I check (and run) if an *.exe is a DOS or a Windows program?

[Jude DaShiell]

Inspect the files with strings and pipe the output to less.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: [OT] The DIY D-Day A movement taking on the likes of Apple is winning a major battle for consumers.

[Jude DaShiell]

Independent repairs especially on Apple products are likely to end up
being more expensive than using Apple repair since repair of iphones is a
dangerous occupation even for Apple employees who are trained to do those
repairs.  Give it a little time and I expect in Apple's case in particular
this is what will happen.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: no sound after installing pulseaudio

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm living on the command line most of the time.  If sound doesn't work
over here for me since I need to use a screen reader, the computer becomes
a paperweight.  I'm glad that fix worked for you and I should have told
you to do that command as root.  If that command ever fails, alsa got
locked up and you need to locate alsa.lck in the lock directory and delete
it then run the amixer command again.  I've had that happen earlier myself
from time to time and figure it's a good bit of information to have as a
back out method.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, lou wrote:

> Thank Jude!
>
> i try your command anyway though i have said i give up
>
> i install pulseaudio again and have to reboot to get it to work
>
> then i run your command, it solves my problem, Thanks!
>
>
>

Re: no sound after installing pulseaudio

[Jude DaShiell]

Alternatively,
amixer set Master 100% unmute



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:

> Am Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 09:12:28AM +0800 schrieb lou:
>
> Hello Lou,
>
> > i am running buster and install pulseaudio
> > to let pulseaudio take effect i have to reboot
> > but there's no sound though pavucontrol seems ok
> > (pavucontrol shows sound is playing properly)
> > to get sound back, i have to remove pulseaudio and reboot
>
> With "pactl list" or "pcctl list short" you can identify some cryptic
> address of your sound card.
>
> With something as (taken from my system)
> "pactl set-sink-volume alsa_output.pci-_00_14.2.analog-stereo +2%"
> you can adjust the volume.
>
> Or you simple try alsamixer which comes with some ncurses looking GUI.
>
> Kind regards,
> Christoph
>

Re: no sound after installing pulseaudio

[Jude DaShiell]

It's necessary to unmute resources in pulseaudio and I don't know how to
do that.  No problem with alsa but pulseaudio given naming conventions for
me was opaque.  You may have good luck with pipewire but be prepared to
install wireplumber if necessary.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, lou wrote:

> i am running buster and install pulseaudio
>
> to let pulseaudio take effect i have to reboot
>
> but there's no sound though pavucontrol seems ok
>
> (pavucontrol shows sound is playing properly)
>
> to get sound back, i have to remove pulseaudio and reboot
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

Re: Starting Debian

[Jude DaShiell]

dban is a good eraser if you refer to cleaning disks entirely of their
content.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: gpg says no user ID

[Jude DaShiell]

Good to let users of gpg know credentials have no web of trust so
verification of credentials will remain limited until further public and
official notice.  Public and official notice ought to include an
announcement email to all debian email lists in the event these
credentials are ever added to a web of trust.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: gpg says no user ID

[Jude DaShiell]

On debian, have you got a gpg2 executable?  If so, that executable may be
more current and if so possibly work better.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022, Thomas George wrote:

> I am still trying to do a fully verified installation of debian-11.5.0.
>
> gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS responded with DF98...BE9B
>
> gpg --recv-keys DF98...BE9B responded key DF98...BE9B: new key but contains no
> user ID - skipped.
>
> Another source suggested gpg --key-server keyring.debian.org --recv-keys long
> numeric key
>
> but this responded invalid option --key-server
>
> The gpg man page is beyond me, I need help
>
>
>

Re: sid - no sound on speakers

[Jude DaShiell]

An audio screen reader user would have noticed this problem as soon as it
happened.  If others are on sid, and haven't got to the same upgrade
level, running speaker-test after each upgrade may narrow down the likely
culprits.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022, Tixy wrote:

> On Sat, 2022-11-12 at 19:01 +1000, David wrote:
> > What are you running?
> > Stable, Testing, Unstable?
>
> The subject line if prefixed with 'sid'. So Unstable I presume.
>
>

Re: sid - no sound on speakers

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022, David wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 13:42, Kamil Jo?ca  wrote:
> >
> >
> > David mailto:curmudg...@telaman.net.au>> writes:
> >
> >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 09:31, Kamil Jo?ca  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>  Recently I found strange thing: I have no sound on speakers. There is
> >> no problem with usb headphone, or headphone via jack but speakers are
> >> silent. As I almost exclusively use usb headphones I have no idea when this
> >> problem started. In theory is possible that
> >>  speakers are broken but the same thing on completely different
> >> laptpop. I tried to play with: --8<---cut
> >> here---start->8--- options snd-intel-dspcfg
> >> dsp_driver= --8<---cut
> >> here---end--->8---
> >>  but without success. Any hints? During my searching I found
> >> 
> >>  but I am not sure if
> >> this is related.
> >>
> >>  What are you running?
> >>  Stable, Testing, Unstable?
> >
> > sid on both laptops
> >
> > devices
> > on one laptop:
> > --8<---cut here---start->8---
> > 00:1f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Alder Lake PCH-P High
> > Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
> > --8<---cut here---end--->8---
> >
> > on second laptop:
> > --8<---cut here---start->8---
> > :00:1f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Tiger Lake-LP
> > Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller (rev 20)
> > --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>
> I have exactly the opposite problem on an Acer laptop on SID.
> No sound through headphones, but I do through speakers.
> This since the last install.
> The USB headphones can't even be found.
> Cheers!
If memory serves, debian has an update-usb utility that can be used to
update information on usb devices.  I think it is a standard install so
everyone got it that installed debian.
>

Re: Boxed Distributions

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 1 Nov 2022, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 02:24:25AM -0400, Joe Roberts II wrote:
> > Dear Debian Friends,
> >
> > I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to
> > recieve boxes distributions of Debian.
> >
> > Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the
> > beautiful boxed distributions for Debian? ?
> >
>
> Debian hasn't produced boxed distributions. The nearest I can
> suggest is that you contact one of the vendors from here who
> can supply CD/DVD media (or, more usually these days, maybe
> a USB stick that is bootable.)
>
> A full Debian distribution would be 40 DVDs so many vendors supply
> the first one or two DVDs only. Some vendors supply the equivalent
> of the library case you'd get for a two DVD film.
>
> https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
>
> > I respect the fact Debian stands for excellence and hard work and would
> > love to see the boxed distros in my area. Thank you guys kindly. I left my
> > address / email / and phone if you decide to email me or call me. I would
> > love to have a boxed distribution of all great Debian releases.
> >
> > You guys are awesome ?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Joe Roberts II
> >
> > Address
> > Joe Roberts II
> > 2075 Browns Fork Rd
> > Hazard, KY 41701
> >
> > Phone - 1-606-335-8099
>
>
Disks may not be a good choice since boxed distributions with disks do
arrive with broken disks.  If the vendor packs professionally you should
be okay though.  Putting a plastic box of disks inside a cardboard box is
not professional packing.  Bubble wrap can help insulate disks from shock
and breakage though.  So if a vendor is to be used at all, find out how
they pack and ship the product before buying.  Popped popcorn around a
disk box inside a shipping box would work well too.

Re: MUD

[Jude DaShiell]

I don't know if it's still around, but there was a waffle bbs system that
could run on unix a while ago.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

> On Thursday 13 October 2022 11:13:49 am Maude Summerside wrote:
> > I've found out that WWIV got ported to POSIX compatible OS and now runs
> > completely under Linux, same goes for Synchronet BBS.
> >
> > There's Mystic BBS but didn't find source code.
> > And there's the closed source BBBS (made in Finland).
> >
>
> I used to run Maximus BBS under dos/desqview.  I believe that there is a 
> linux version of it out there.  I did try to run it once,  but apparently the 
> changes I made in the setup broke it pretty good, and I lost interest...
>
>

realtek on debian bluetooth

[Jude DaShiell]

I have an rtl8188gu bluetooth adapter and would like to know if debian can
run this one and if so, what does it need to run?  hcidump and btscanner
both fail to find it so maybe I'm missing a needed package or two.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: how do i configure lynx browser as default browser for html

[Jude DaShiell]

Interesting, what does echo $"-browser" return?  What does echo
"$-BROWSER" return?
I'm on a system other than debian now otherwise I'd have answers for you
on both counts.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, jindam, vani wrote:

> September 28, 2022 at 12:22 PM, "Jude DaShiell" wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > It may be necessary to disable SENSIBLE-BROWSER. echo $SENSIBLE-BROWSER
> > to see if it's loaded.
> $ echo $SENSIBLE-BROWSER
> it shows "-BROWSER"
>
> $SENSIBLE-BROWSER
> launches lynx in terminal
>
> regards,
> jindam, vani
>
> toots: @jindam_v...@c.im
> others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jindam_vani
>
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, jindam, vani wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > A line like:
> > >  export BROWSER=lynx
> > >  in /etc/profile may help.
> > >
> > >  i have updated ~/.profile, but it is not working
> > >
> > >  You don't indicate your desktop, which may be significant.
> > >  i am trying to use debian with least
> > >  packages. i dont have any desktop
> > >  environment. i have installed base system
> > >  + mc, default-jre, openbox, palemoon, lynx.
> > >
> > >  my cli:
> > >  jindam@localhost:~$ ls /etc/alternatives/*www*browser*
> > >  /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
> > >  /etc/alternatives/www-browser
> > >  /etc/alternatives/www-browser.1.gz
> > >  /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
> > >  jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
> > >  lrwxrwxrwx 1 jindam jindam 13 Sep 27 20:07 /etc/alternatives/x-ww
> > >  w-browser -> /usr/bin/lynx
> > >  jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
> > >  lrwxrwxrwx 1 jindam jindam 17 Sep 27 19:13 /etc/alternatives/gnom
> > >  e-www-browser -> /usr/bin/palemoon
> > >  jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al $(which sensible-browser )
> > >  -rwxr-xr-x 1 jindam jindam 1230 Jan 13 2021 /usr/bin/sensible-br
> > >  owser
> > >
> > >  regards,
> > >  jindam, vani
> > >
> > >  toots: @jindam_v...@c.im
> > >  others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jindam_vani
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: how do i configure lynx browser as default browser for html

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be necessary to disable SENSIBLE-BROWSER.  echo $SENSIBLE-BROWSER
to see if it's loaded.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, jindam, vani wrote:

> > A line like:
> > export BROWSER=lynx
> > in /etc/profile may help.
>
> i have updated ~/.profile, but it is not working
>
> > You don't indicate your desktop, which may be significant.
> i am trying to use debian with least
> packages. i dont have any desktop
> environment. i have installed base system
> + mc, default-jre, openbox, palemoon, lynx.
>
> my cli:
> jindam@localhost:~$ ls /etc/alternatives/*www*browser*
> /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
> /etc/alternatives/www-browser
> /etc/alternatives/www-browser.1.gz
> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
> jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jindam jindam 13 Sep 27 20:07 /etc/alternatives/x-ww
> w-browser -> /usr/bin/lynx
> jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jindam jindam 17 Sep 27 19:13 /etc/alternatives/gnom
> e-www-browser -> /usr/bin/palemoon
> jindam@localhost:~$ ls -al $(which sensible-browser )
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 jindam jindam 1230 Jan 13  2021 /usr/bin/sensible-br
> owser
>
> regards,
> jindam, vani
>
> toots: @jindam_v...@c.im
> others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jindam_vani
>
>

Re: how do i configure lynx browser as default browser for html

[Jude DaShiell]

A line like:
export BROWSER=lynx
in /etc/profile may help.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, jindam, vani wrote:

> hello debian-users,
>
> good morning !?!?!
>
> i have installed debian bullseye on userland
> app. i have disabled recomnend packages for my
> entire packages. i have installed openbox. when
> i click "web browser" it does not launch
> "lynx browser". i have changed x-www-browser
> to lynx. how do i configure my system to
> use lynx browser for html files, open links,
> open in external viewer, etc..?
>
> $sudo update-alternatives --config www-browser
> There is only one alternative in link group www-browser (providing 
> /usr/bin/www-browser): /usr/bin/lynx
> Nothing to configure.
>
>
> $ update-alternatives --list x-www-browser
> /usr/bin/lynx
> /usr/bin/palemoon
>
>
> $ update-alternatives --get-selections | grep browser
> gnome-www-browser  auto /usr/bin/palemoon
> www-browserauto /usr/bin/lynx
> x-www-browser  auto /usr/bin/lynx
>
> $ sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser 
> /usr/bin/lynx 50
> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/lynx to provide /usr/bin/x-www-browser 
> (x-www-browser) in auto mode
> jindam@localhost:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
> There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing 
> /usr/bin/x-www-browser).
>
>   SelectionPath   Priority   Status
> 
> * 0/usr/bin/lynx   50auto mode
>   1/usr/bin/lynx   50manual mode
>   2/usr/bin/palemoon   40manual mode
>
> p.s.
> * after reading couple of online resources, i
> thought best to ask here, bcoz update-alternatives
> seems to be debian way
> * i did ask @ 
> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-do-i-configure-lynx-browser-as-default-browser-for-all-html-related-things-4175717193/
>
> regards,
> jindam, vani
>
> toots: @jindam_v...@c.im
> others: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jindam_vani
>
>

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, jr wrote:

> hi,
>
> (sorry, late to the party :-))
>
> I don't think 'script' has been mentioned yet, a neat way (imo) to
> record the console/terminal.
>
I like tee more than script since all ansi code is left in script output.
 With tee, you get the text and stderr can also be sent through tee.
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:

> On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
> > Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> >
> >> I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo?
> >
> > Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
> > or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
> > I looked it up just now.
> >
>
> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
> reader.
>
>
Since debian academy has no training on accessibility and screen readers
are an accessibility tool, I'm not at all surprised at the minimal
knowledge level in the wider debian community.
> >

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

You don't name the screen shot.  Screen does that for you.  Look for a
file called hardcopy with a number suffix at its end.  If that file is
present and has more than 0 characters in it, you got what screen can do
for you.  To check screen's work, grep -i username on the file and grep -i
password on the file.  If you got lucky, both prompts will be in that
file.  wc -c hardcopy.1 to get the character count of the file.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:03AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Jude,
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > It's possible to run:
> > > screen links http://site.com
> > > on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.
> > >
> > >
> > Hi there,
> > Just to confirm,
> > I can run  the screen  links site.com command on a single line, navigate to
> > the problem, then run the screen shot command?
> > How do I name the screenshot for sharing?
>
> OK.  Let's go through this step by step.  I have installed links, and I
> already had screen installed.
>
> I ran "screen".
>
> Inside that, I ran "links http://www.google.com/;.
>
> Once the main page of Google loaded, I pressed Ctrl-A h
>
> Screen prompted me for something like a filename, but it seemed to remove
> the prompt within a couple seconds, before I could copy it for email
> documentation purposes.  (I *hate* it when things don't give me time to
> read and ponder a question or an error message.)
>
> Because I didn't respond quickly enough to the prompt, screen assumed an
> answer, and generated a file named "hardcopy.0" in the current working
> directory.
>
> unicorn:~$ ls -l hardcopy.0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 532 Sep 17 11:39 hardcopy.0
>
> If I cat this file, I see a copy of the text that's visible in the
> screen window, minus the boldface, reverse video and so on.  It's just
> the characters.
>
> Finally, I exited from links, and then from screen.
>
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

Screen can be used more effectively than a photo I think.  If the hardcopy
is successful search for a file called hardcopy.n where n is a number and
it should be a larger size than 0.  wc -c hardcopy.1 if hardcopy.1 exists
would give the number of characters in that file and if that number is
greater than 0, you have some or all of your hardcopy available to send.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote:

> On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
> > As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue,
> > that I  experience using links, the browser.
>
> If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that.
>
> mick
>
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

It's possible to run:
screen links http://site.com
on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
> As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I
> experience using links, the browser.  I know a great deal about running   this
> browser, but have never needed to capture information for someone else, who
> relies on sight, instead of speech.
> If there  is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file
> generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:
>
> > Hi Karen
> >
> > When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
> > documented at:
> >  http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html
> >
> > The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
> > Is that what you are asking about?
> >
> > If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
> > but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.
> >
> > When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
> > not notice any mention of screenshots.
> >
> > It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of
> > exactly what you are asking.
> >
> > For example...
> >
> > The 'links' software can be run either:
> >
> > 1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)
> >
> > 2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI
> >
> > 3) in a Linux console using a text UI
> >
> > Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
> > taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
> > using.
> >
> > If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
> > to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
> > window to a file", although I have not tested it.
> >
> > 'screen' is packaged for Debian.
> >
> > Are you using Debian?
> >
> > Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as
> > I asked in my opening question.
> >
> > Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
> > provide the information requested.
> >
> > I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote:

> Stefan wrote:
> In article  you 
> write:
> >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other,
> >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to
> >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them.
> >
> >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have
> >"other, possibly malicious, interests" even if they are willing/eager
> >to apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them.
> >
> >Same goes for people you pay, so it's not specific to volunteers.
> >And of course it's also not specific to a particular kind of license.
>
> Thanks Stefan, it's great to see that some people understand the
> issues.
>
> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious"
> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers
> to spend their time on issues.
>
>
I think an appropriate analogy for proprietary versus open source software
is the American Electoral College compared to The American General
Election.  The difference in the number of minds brought to apply to each
I think parallels proprietary versus open source software and whatever
effects attach to both.  Open source additionally has the internet which
varies in support quality but is far larger than any proprietary
operation.

Re: Firefox 104 on Sid unusable because it blanks open tabs after a few minutes

[Jude DaShiell]

Usually when I run a web browser, I open only one tab at a time.  I don't
multitask so maybe running with a single tab open at one time will allow
increased mental focus enabling use of the browser until this problem can
get fixed.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote:

> I admit that I usually have ~ 70 tabs open.
> FF does not blank all, just most of them.
> Then I have to reload the pages and enter all information again if the
> pages contain forms like snail-mail tracking, tracking of packages,
> tracking of processes with the local communications state agency,
> following geomagnetic storms, RF-Propagation, blogs etc etc.
>
> My time is too valuable to waste it reloading and reloading web pages
> again and again.
> It happens with dynamic pages and with static pages. There is no
> consistency at all.
>
> I looked into the FF settings for a setup - but no - there is nothing
> about this behaviour.
>
> OK, so which browser will I now use instead of Firefox?
>
> have a nice day
> Eike
> --
> Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
>
>
>
>

Re: USB WiFi Adapter

[Jude DaShiell]

Atheros is what thinkpenguin.com uses to avoid proprietary blobs.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

> All,
>
> Can anyone recommend a USB WiFi adapter that will work without binary blob
> proprietary drivers?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
>

Re: determining hotkeys for a program, without a manual?

[Jude DaShiell]

that or maybe the waybackmachine.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, John Covici wrote:

> How about -h or --help, do either of those give you anything?  What is
> the name of the utility, maybe its webpage is in archive.org
> somewhere.
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:30:50 -0400,
> Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > A  creative question to be sure, but I am running out of ideas.
> > I have a DOS utility that is quite small.  its purpose is to
> > interface with a stand alone scanner I own, xerox Reading Edge,
> > and via connector to my computer's serial port transfer  scanned
> > content  directly into my word processor, Wordperfect.
> > Most of my computer things are in storage, but I am working on
> > research that requires me to use the utility.
> > Normally I would remind myself of commands by checking its
> > manual, but that machine is not available.
> > Might add, that it may have been written in-house, the trading
> > company in Detroit listed as the Creator seems to be gone.
> > Question is this.
> > Is there any simple way to review the program code and discover 2
> > hot keys?
> > would happily pay someone with the talent, as I use the program
> > professionally.
> > Thanks for any ideas,
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Mail Transfer Agent

[Jude DaShiell]

After I got blacklisted on shellworld.net I moved on to panix.com with
much dislocation some of which took me a couple years to correct.  The
blacklisting wasn't done by shellworld.net either.  I found out about the
blacklisting by looking my shellworld.net address up with google and the
one that posted this information did so on gmane.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic!
> Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful.
> My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both accounts.
> Not to cast a cloud on Jude's suggestion below, but my personal efforts to
> explore Panix were quite  reprehensible, hinting that perhaps new clients,
> depending on circumstances,  may not enjoy comparative service.
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service
> > has been excellent.  Webmail is also available for those that want it.
> > Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year.  I chose telnet since I do better
> > with cli than gui.
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with
> >>> my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has
> >>> started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I
> >>> believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged.
> >>>
> >>> As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any
> >>> suggestion for a service ?
> >>>
> >>> I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20
> >>> per day at most.
> >>>
> >>> I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery
> >>> ranking.
> >>>
> >>> I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix
> >>> all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with
> >>> Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane
> >> Electric
> >> for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service:
> >>
> >> he.net
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Mail Transfer Agent

[Jude DaShiell]

I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service
has been excellent.  Webmail is also available for those that want it.
Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year.  I chose telnet since I do better
with cli than gui.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote:

> On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with
> > my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has
> > started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I
> > believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged.
> >
> > As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any
> > suggestion for a service ?
> >
> > I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20
> > per day at most.
> >
> > I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking.
> >
> > I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix
> > all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with
> > Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ?
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric
> for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service:
>
> he.net
>
>
> David
>
>
>

Re: question about sound

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I almost always get useradd and groupadd mixed up when I need to
use them.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Bob McGowan wrote:

> The command to add a user to a group is:  useradd -G groupname[,groupname...]
> username
>
> For example:  useradd -G audio,pulsaudio bob
>
> On 8/17/22 10:21, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > the user that's doing this would need to be added to the audio group and
> > maybe the pulseaudio group if that group exists.  The groupadd command can
> > do that for the user but groupadd has to be used by root to get that done.
> > Before doing any of that, a user can find what groups they're already in
> > by typing the groups command and a list should appear showing the groups.
> > Man groupadd can show how to use that command when it's time.
> >
> >
> > Jude  .
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, mick.crane wrote:
> >
> >> hello,
> >> Please take into account I don't know what I'm doing generally and know
> >> nothing about audio.
> >> Several years ago somebody asked me to edit a radio broadcast to separate
> >> out
> >> a few seconds.
> >> It took a couple of minutes to install Audacity, figure out the GUI thing
> >> and
> >> save the bits of audio.
> >> I'm wanting now to edit .wav files.
> >> Can't find Audacity in the repository for Bookworm.
> >> There is Ardour6.
> >> It's a bit complex.
> >> By selecting PulseAudio as the wotsit it seemed to be working but I try
> >> again
> >> and there is no sound output to hear.
> >> There is message like " don't have permission to access".
> >> Is there some numpty explanation of how this is supposed to work ?
> >> Do these things PulseAudio, Alsa, Jack provide a stream on some bus or
> >> something and the Ardour6 programme edits bits out as it goes by ?
> >> If it's a physical piece of tape you can imagine you can cut it with a pair
> >> of
> >> scissors and cellotape bits together but I've no idea how it's working with
> >> a
> >> PC.
> >> resource of simplified explanation appreciated.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> mick
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: question about sound

[Jude DaShiell]

the user that's doing this would need to be added to the audio group and
maybe the pulseaudio group if that group exists.  The groupadd command can
do that for the user but groupadd has to be used by root to get that done.
Before doing any of that, a user can find what groups they're already in
by typing the groups command and a list should appear showing the groups.
Man groupadd can show how to use that command when it's time.


Jude  .

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, mick.crane wrote:

> hello,
> Please take into account I don't know what I'm doing generally and know
> nothing about audio.
> Several years ago somebody asked me to edit a radio broadcast to separate out
> a few seconds.
> It took a couple of minutes to install Audacity, figure out the GUI thing and
> save the bits of audio.
> I'm wanting now to edit .wav files.
> Can't find Audacity in the repository for Bookworm.
> There is Ardour6.
> It's a bit complex.
> By selecting PulseAudio as the wotsit it seemed to be working but I try again
> and there is no sound output to hear.
> There is message like " don't have permission to access".
> Is there some numpty explanation of how this is supposed to work ?
> Do these things PulseAudio, Alsa, Jack provide a stream on some bus or
> something and the Ardour6 programme edits bits out as it goes by ?
> If it's a physical piece of tape you can imagine you can cut it with a pair of
> scissors and cellotape bits together but I've no idea how it's working with a
> PC.
> resource of simplified explanation appreciated.
>
> regards
>
> mick
>
>
>

Re: Help: disk swap

[Jude DaShiell]

The second disk would need to be connected to the running linux in some
way either by a disk dock or a disk caddy such that the running linux
could find the second disk using lsblk and blkid.  Once located, parted -a
optimal /dev/xxx and then print to show the partition table then quit on
/dev/xxx could reveal boot partition information.  I have a disk caddy
here for sata disks which has its own power supply and that caddy also
boots external ssd drives once inserted correctly since the connectors for
sata and ssd are identical.



On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, David wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 13:25, David Wright  wrote:
> > On Thu 28 Jul 2022 at 14:29:32 (+0100), tony van der Hoff wrote:
> > > On 27/07/2022 16:07, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for your help. Sadly, I'm not getting very far with this. I
> > > guess I'm not understanding your instructions too well:
> > >
> > > > Have the running linux system on the machine.  Run lsblk to locate the
> > > > name of the boot partition.
> > >
> > > I'll call the disk from the backup machine "B", and the disk I want to
> > > use "A".
>
> > The methodology below is unsuitable for you because you don't have
> > both disks in the machine at the same time.
>
> It would certainly be easier to help if that was the situation.
>
> We have been told that both machines were running Debian 10. But a
> problem is as yet we don't know if they have similar or different boot
> systems. That lack of information makes it very difficult to give advice.
>
> So trying to modify disk "A" to boot machine "B" could be tricky. But
> perhaps trying to get disk "A" to boot machine "B" is an XY problem that
> can be avoided, if maybe Tony only needs to recover some data off
> disk "A" onto disk "B".
>
> Given that Tony is not finding this easy, another approach that might
> be easier would be to keep the backup machine "B" intact and working
> and booting with its disk "B" connected as previously.
> And then use something like this:
>   https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-ec-dflt-dock/p/N82E16817366069
> to connect disk "A" to machine "B".
>
> And then the desired data can just be copied off it, and that might
> meet all Tony's needs.
>
> This method can also reveal evidence of what boot system is used by
> both machines, and would permit modifying disk "A" if that turns out
> to be necessary.
>
> I find this kind of drive dock very useful for admin flexibility and
> rescue tasks. I think they are a versatile and useful general purpose
> tool for tinkering. So, a worthwhile investment, in my opinion.
>
>

Re: Help: disk swap

[Jude DaShiell]

Then your new /etc/fstab record should
look like:
The email program split that line all
of that should be on one line
space-separated.  hth.
3fe30767-f7d7-4e6d-b48e-f80eef2d4b71
/dev/sda9 ext4 defaults,nofail 1 2

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, tony van der Hoff wrote:

> Thanks for your help. Sadly, I'm not getting very far with this. I guess I'm
> not understanding your instructions too well:
>
> On 27/07/2022 16:07, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Have the running linux system on the machine.  Run lsblk to locate the
> > name of the boot partition.
>
> I'll call the disk from the backup machine "B", and the disk I want to use
> "A".
>
>
> OK, on disk B:  lsblk sda9 /boot
> >  Once you have the name run blkid and copy the
>
> sudo blkid
> /dev/sda9: LABEL="boot" UUID="3fe30767-f7d7-4e6d-b48e-f80eef2d4b71"
>
> Now I'm lost.
>
> Remove disk B, install disk A
> Boots into grub rescue.
>
> > uuid for use in the end of /etc/fstab and put in the path to the boot
> > device, the disk format ext4, defaults,nofail 1 2 on an fstab entry.
> > Next, run update-grub and you should get a new boot entry in grub.  If you
> > boot the machine on the boot screen hit down-arrow followed by enter and
> > your other disk should boot up.
> > I got a new computer with no sata tray in it and have a sata caddy and
> > some older sata disks and that's how I got those to boot.  hth.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: How do you mount a solid state drive? ...

[Jude DaShiell]

a recap and this ought to be better.
lsblk >orig
# plug ssd in.
lsblk >new
comm -1 -3 -f orig new


On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 03:06:47PM -0500, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >  I googled: "mount solid state drive" Linux, and I got very few hits
> > (like 16?) which were mostly totally irrelevant.
>
> First of all, you don't mount a drive. You mount a file system.
>
> This may sound like an unimportant nit to pick, but it actually
> can get very confusing when there's more than one partition
> (and thus potentially more than one file system) on that drive.
>
> Then, from the system software side, there's no difference between
> an SSD and a "traditional" hard disk. As far as you, the sysadmin,
> are concerned, they both present themselves as block devices you
> can partition, put file systems there, etc.
>
> *If*
>
>  (a) there is a file system on your drive (perhaps in a partition
> in there)
>  (b) your OS is set up in a way that it automatically recognises
> it
>
> then it'll probably somehow auto-mount that file system (that
> may be helpful or not).
>
> Now the question back to you: *what* are you trying to do?
>
> Cheers
>

Re: How do you mount a solid state drive? ...

[Jude DaShiell]

An easy way to locate an ssd is to have it unplugged from the system and
run lsblk and save that to a file then plug the ssd in and run lsblk again
saving its output to another file.  The line in the second file that's
missing from the first file is the ssd.


On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >  I got a laptop with Windows installed on which I installed WSLg.
> > WIndows and WSLg both seem to detect the SSD just fine, but in ways
> > that are not totally clear to me.
> >  What I care about is using the SSD for my data intensive code in
> > Linux, but when I boot that computer with Debian live I can't see the
> > SSD.
> >  What could be going on?
>
> An SSD shows up as a disk. What's in /dev/disk/by-id/ ?
>
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: Help: disk swap

[Jude DaShiell]

Have the running linux system on the machine.  Run lsblk to locate the
name of the boot partition.  Once you have the name run blkid and copy the
uuid for use in the end of /etc/fstab and put in the path to the boot
device, the disk format ext4, defaults,nofail 1 2 on an fstab entry.
Next, run update-grub and you should get a new boot entry in grub.  If you
boot the machine on the boot screen hit down-arrow followed by enter and
your other disk should boot up.
I got a new computer with no sata tray in it and have a sata caddy and
some older sata disks and that's how I got those to boot.  hth.

Re: bash: which: command not found? + (E: Unable to locate package which? ...)

[Jude DaShiell]

If using bash, likely the type command will work.


On Fri, 8 Jul 2022, Albretch Mueller wrote:

>  Actually, I just noticed I couldn't run "cat" as regular user but I
> could as root how could that form a "multiversing" be -technically-
> happening (other than having forces actively messing with your work)?
>
> export _GRAALVM_HOME=.../graalvm-ce-java17-22.1.0
> export PATH=${PATH}:${_GRAALVM_HOME}/bin
> which javac
> which java
> $
>
> bash: which: command not found
>
> # apt-get install which
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package which
> #
>
>
>
> # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> # deb cdrom:[Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 11.2.0 lxde
> 2021-12-18T12:41]/ bullseye main
> #deb cdrom:[Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 11.2.0 lxde
> 2021-12-18T12:41]/ bullseye main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main
>
> # bullseye-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
> # see 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
> # A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
> # are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
> # for your mirror of choice.
> #
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main
> contrib non-free
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main
> contrib non-free
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
>
> #This system was installed using small removable media
> # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
> # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
> # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
> # see the sources.list(5) manual.
>
> # which bash
> /usr/bin/bash
> #
>
>

Re: recommend music player?

[Jude DaShiell]

mpv


On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, Devin Prater wrote:

> VLC.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:55 PM kaye n  wrote:
>
> > Hello Friends!
> >
> > I am currently using Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good music player with an equalizer where I can
> > choose Pop, Rock, etc.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
>

Re: Pulseaudio goes into an uninterruptible sleep upon start

[Jude DaShiell]

Who knows what pulseaudio developers were smoking when they wrote that
code.  I'm glad you got this solved for now.  I hope it's permanently
solved for you too.


On Tue, 8 Mar 2022, Daniel Fishman wrote:

> The first two things didn't work, but while I worked on a switch to
> pipewire (with a limited success, since pipewire is experimental
> in the current stable and misses important features that I need
> and which are already available in pulseaudio), I stumbled upon
> a workaround which fixed the problem in my case:
>
> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/internal-speakers-jack-detected-but-no-audio-comes-out/33380/4
>
> I still don't completely understand why things are related, but
> this solves the problem - and everything still works properly
> after USB dongle is connected.
>
>
> On 3/7/22 21:51, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Three things to do:
> > 1) pulseaudio --cleanup-shm
> > reboot and see if you get any better results.
> > 2) if 1 fails in the user directory rm -fr ~/.config/pulseaudio then
> > reboot and check for better results.
> > 3) if 2 fails, remove pulseaudio from the machine and think about
> > installing and running pipewire if alsa really needs that much management.
> > Ways exist to run firefox without pulseaudio.  If memory serves pulseaudio
> > firefox may do this as a single command.
> >
>
>

Re: Pulseaudio goes into an uninterruptible sleep upon start

[Jude DaShiell]

Three things to do:
1) pulseaudio --cleanup-shm
reboot and see if you get any better results.
2) if 1 fails in the user directory rm -fr ~/.config/pulseaudio then
reboot and check for better results.
3) if 2 fails, remove pulseaudio from the machine and think about
installing and running pipewire if alsa really needs that much management.
Ways exist to run firefox without pulseaudio.  If memory serves pulseaudio
firefox may do this as a single command.


On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, Daniel Fishman wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have an up-to-date Debian stable machine where pulseaudio becomes stuck
> as soon as it is started (goes into an uninterruptible sleep). I couldn't
> understand what is the cause for this behavior - maybe somebody can provide
> an idea?
>
> Initially, pulse worked as expected - the machine doesn't have any fixed
> output devices, sound was used via bluetooth headphones. Then one day I added
> a USB sound card dongle to the machine: this dongle worked immediately after
> it was
> plugged in, but after the first reboot the problem had occurred. It continued
> to occur even after I removed this USB dongle, removed ~/.config/pulse
> directory and rebooted the machine (and then done those actions many times
> with various variations - for example, to make sure that pulse doesn't create
> config dir between the time it removed & the machine is rebooted I rename
> pulseaudio executable, reboot, remove pulse's config dir, restore the exe and
> reboot again - doesn't help).
>
> Attached pulse's log created when it becomes stuck. From the log it seems to
> me that the problem starts when pulse fails to open a device pcmC0D0p, though
> it is not clear why it tries to open this device, since there is indeed no
> such device: /dev/snd contains the following:
>
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   60 Mar  7 19:55 by-path
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  6 Mar  7 19:55 controlC0
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  5 Mar  7 19:55 hwC0D2
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  2 Mar  7 19:55 pcmC0D1p
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  3 Mar  7 19:55 pcmC0D2p
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  4 Mar  7 19:57 pcmC0D3p
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  1 Mar  7 19:55 seq
> crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116, 33 Mar  7 19:55 timer
>
> output from 'aplay -lL':
>
> null
> Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
> lavrate
> Rate Converter Plugin Using Libav/FFmpeg Library
> samplerate
> Rate Converter Plugin Using Samplerate Library
> speexrate
> Rate Converter Plugin Using Speex Resampler
> jack
> JACK Audio Connection Kit
> oss
> Open Sound System
> pulse
> PulseAudio Sound Server
> upmix
> Plugin for channel upmix (4,6,8)
> vdownmix
> Plugin for channel downmix (stereo) with a simple spacialization
> hw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=1
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct hardware device without any conversions
> hw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=2
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct hardware device without any conversions
> hw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=3
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct hardware device without any conversions
> plughw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=1
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Hardware device with all software conversions
> plughw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=2
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Hardware device with all software conversions
> plughw:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=3
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Hardware device with all software conversions
> dmix:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=1
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct sample mixing device
> dmix:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=2
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct sample mixing device
> dmix:CARD=sofhdadsp,DEV=3
> sof-hda-dsp,
> Direct sample mixing device
> usbstream:CARD=sofhdadsp
> sof-hda-dsp
> USB Stream Output
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: sofhdadsp [sof-hda-dsp], device 1: HDMI1 (*) []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: sofhdadsp [sof-hda-dsp], device 2: HDMI2 (*) []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: sofhdadsp [sof-hda-dsp], device 3: HDMI3 (*) []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
>
> output for lspci:
>
> 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Celeron/Pentium Silver
> Processor High Definition Audio (rev 06)
> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Celeron/Pentium Silver
> Processor High Definition Audio
> Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
> Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
> SERR-  Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 133
> IOMMU group: 2
> Region 0: Memory at 70 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
> Region 4: Memory at 7fffe0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
> Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
> Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=55mA
> PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
> Status: 

Re: Need to manually start pulseaudio on reboot

[Jude DaShiell]

First I'd remove pulseaudio from user space then remove pulseaudio from
root space but use --purge that time so no evidence of pulseaudio is
anywhere on your system.
In your user directory rm -fr ~/.config/pulseaudio
should take care of user space and
apt remove pulseaudio --purge should take care of root space.
Then apt install pulseaudio.
unless you journaled configuration changes you'll likely not remember what
those are and where they are so taking pulseaudio back to a known state
likely will be quicker.
I got jrnl installed using brew after brewforlinux got installed on my
system.  It's available in pip, but couldn't install with pip3.
With brew I ran jrnl --help and got the help screen but pip install jrnl
threw several trace errors when jrnl --help was run.
Jrnl with install instructions got covered a few days ago on itsfoss.com.


On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, nmanca wrote:

> On 25/01/2022 00:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Have you run pulseaudio --cleanup-shm yet?
>
> I tried, didn't worked. Should I check some config file I forgot I modified in
> the remote past maybe?
>
> thanks,
> Nicola
>
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, nmanca wrote:
> >
> >> Dear list,
> >>
> >> Since upgrading to bookworm I have to manually start pulseaudio at every
> >> login
> >> by executing:
> >>
> >> systemctl --user restart pulseaudio.service
> >>
> >> I use KDE plasma desktop.
> >> how can I diagnose/solve the problem?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Nicola
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: USB sound device present but NOT visible in ‘alsamixer’

[Jude DaShiell]

When you stop pulseaudio, you did a good thing.  since pulseaudio was
started again, you're probably going to have to mess around in pactl to
get this fixed if that will even be possible.


On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote:

> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
>
> >> Thanks Andrei. I followed the following steps:
> >>
> >> 1. Found that it is pulseaudio that is blocking the module unload.
> >> 2. systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket
> >> 3. systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service
> >> 4. Verified that now nothing is blocking snd_usb_audio (using lsof)
> >> 5. Unloaded module using "modprobe -r"
> >> 6. Loaded again using "modeprob"
> >> 7. Started pulseaudio again
> >>
> >> Still the device is not listed in alsamixer and hence cannot play.
> >>
> >> "alsactl init" also producing same errors as before.
> >
> > Try also unplugging the device after removing the module.
> >
>
> After step 5, I unplugged the device and plugged it again and then
> followed 6, 7. Now the interval sound card is also not visible; that was
> showing as generic usb.
>
> Regards ~Pankaj
>
>
>

Re: USB sound device present but NOT visible in ‘alsamixer’

[Jude DaShiell]

rm /var/lock/asound.state.lock


On Sun, 30 Jan 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > alsactl init I think will find everything.
> >
>
> Then there is something else that is not letting "alsactl init" to
> function properly; lock file as you suggested. But I couldn?t find
> anything other than "/var/lock/asound.state.lock".
>
>
>

Re: USB sound device present but NOT visible in ‘alsamixer’

[Jude DaShiell]

alsactl init I think will find everything.


On Sun, 30 Jan 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > alsactl --init
> > may help.
> > However alsa makes .lock files in /var/lock/alsa and you may find it
> > helpful to delete the lock file first then once card is set run alsactl
> > store.  Those lock files sometimes prevent alsa from doing a proper
> > detection and change.
> >
> Thanks Jude, for the reply.
>
> On my installation there is no ?--init? option. But it has ?init?
> command. I just tried that ?alsactl init?. And there is no
> ?/var/lock/alsa? directory. But there is
> ?/var/lock/asound.state.lock?. I removed this and tried with ?alsactl
> init? again. But no positive results in both cases.
>
> During the boot process, the system detects everything. So there must be
> something in the init sequence that I can trigger manually.
>
> Regards ~Pankaj
>
>

Re: USB sound device present but NOT visible in ‘alsamixer’

[Jude DaShiell]

alsactl --init
may help.
However alsa makes .lock files in /var/lock/alsa and you may find it
helpful to delete the lock file first then once card is set run alsactl
store.  Those lock files sometimes prevent alsa from doing a proper
detection and change.


On Sun, 30 Jan 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote:

> "Andrew M.A. Cater"  writes:
>
> >> Pankaj Jangid  writes:
> >>
> >> > When I boot system afresh, the card is visible in the ?alsamixer? and in
> >> > Gnome settings as well. Shown as ?Blue? S/PDIF input and output
> >> > devices. But when system wakes up from sleep (suspended), it doesn?t
> >> > show the devices.
> >> >
> > It might be nothing more than the power handling, sleep modes and USB
> > enumeration after a laptop goes to sleep.
> >
> > If you unplug/replug the USB plug which is the external sound card, is
> > it magically recognised again?
>
> Thanks Andy, for the reply. I really appreciate this gesture.
>
> And I am sorry I wasn?t complete in the original email. I had tried to
> unplug and replug. But that also doesn?t list the device in ?alsamixer?
> and hence doesn?t work after a suspend/wakeup operation.
>
> Is there a way to force the scan of USB sound devices manually if that
> is not happening automatically? As I had posted earlier that ?lsusb? and
> ?cat /proc/asound/cards? do list the device. It is just that ALSA is not
> seeing it.
>
>
> Regards ~Pankaj
>
>

Re: Need to manually start pulseaudio on reboot

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you run pulseaudio --cleanup-shm yet?


On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, nmanca wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> Since upgrading to bookworm I have to manually start pulseaudio at every login
> by executing:
>
> systemctl --user restart pulseaudio.service
>
> I use KDE plasma desktop.
> how can I diagnose/solve the problem?
>
> regards,
> Nicola
>
>

Re: book recommendation regarding ipv6

[Jude DaShiell]

It's a six-volume set called the Illustrated Guide to TCPIP and covers all
manner of material.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2022, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

> On 1/16/22 23:16, email.list...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > This might not be the right forum but I have already duckduck:ed it and
> > I don't know where else to ask, what is the best book/books to buy for a
> > thorough understanding of ipv6?
> >
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andreas Berglund
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> "IPv6 Essentials" from Silvia Hagen was a good starting point. I read
> second edition 10 years ago and I'm not sure if there are newer and
> better books.
>
> Unfortunately I still have no IPv6 connectivity and stopped using 6in4
> tunnels because of foreign address space - Internet looks differently
> from different countries :)
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
>

Re: Just curious if there's anybody out there still using LXDE?

[Jude DaShiell]

Last time I read and that was some time ago, Linus Torvalds had moved his
machines to lxde.  No idea if he's moved on since then though.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2022, Tixy wrote:

> On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 11:33 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> > UPDATE!
> >
> > I got telegram to show up in the Start menu and launch.
> >
> > But where are the icon's stored for snaps?
>
> Sorry, I've no idea what directory path(s) snaps install their files
> to. Perhaps icons are close to the executable binary in the file
> hierarchy? You could just try looking around in directories and see
> what you can find.
>
>

Re: Default sound level always zero for externally plugged usb sound system

[Jude DaShiell]

Needing sound as much as I do and having used usb sound systems, I'll add
one more suggested precaution to this info.  Sometimes alsa makes .lock
files in /var/lock and these will block alsactl from working.  So check
for those and delete as necessary then run alsactl store and alsa will
make those lock files for you again but with your desired settings in
place.


On Sat, 15 Jan 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 06:51:28PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 15 ian 22, 10:30:50, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > Try `alsactl store`
> > >
> > > Didn't know that one, thanks.  Do you happen to know if they deliver to 
> > > Canada?
> > >
> > > > (might need root).
> > >
> > > Hmm... I only have dollars and francs :-(
> >
> > As far as I know it takes only altairian dollars, but you might get away
> > with reciting some Vogon poetry instead (if you're not thrown out
> > first).
>
> But, but.
>
> If you're sudo [1] anyway, it might even take crypto. Or NFT.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://xkcd.com/149/
>
>

Re: Bullseye Installer Fails to find soundcard

[Jude DaShiell]

If the first possible port is hdmi it could be debian is getting hung up
on that port and thinks it's your default port.  This is not a new
problem.  Maybe a -nohdmi boot parameter could be added to instruct the
installer to bypass all of those hdmi ports if that's the problem you're
having.  If you have an hdmi connection possible with your video monitor
and this again is an hdmi problem maybe plugging a monitor into that hdmi
port might solve the problem.


On Sat, 15 Jan 2022, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I'm just a user.  I've been trying to install Bullseye since the Release 
> Candidates, no luck.
>
> The accessible text installer fails to find my sound card.  I think my sound 
> card is the
> second one that Debian finds, so I select that.
>
> I do get sound in console once installed, but a blind person would not be 
> able to install
> as there is no sound, unless they had a braille device.
>
> I've contacted debian-accessibility and debian-boot, but I just don't know 
> where the problem
> is, Samual from debian-accessibility says it's alsa, but I'm not a 
> programmer, or developer, I'm
> just a user.
>
> I've spent hundreds of hours trying to install Debian Bullseye.  The last 
> release of Debian Buster
> installs perfectly, it detects my sound card, I have sound during 
> installation, and upon reboot.
>
> But suddenly in Debian Bullseye, something has changed. No sound during 
> accessible text installtion.
>
> I don't know who to report this bug to.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
>

Re: couldn't build pipe-viewer with debian

[Jude DaShiell]

I put libreadline-dev on the machine since that wasn't installed and ran
the instructions in the README.md file in pipe-viewer directory and the
whole package built and installed.
Thanks for the pointer on that -dev file.  I'll have to check for those in
the future.


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> I forgot to install the -dev package.  I'll try this again and see if it
> goes through.
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 07:38:25PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > pipe-viewer youtube-viewer and straw-viewer cannot be built with debian.
> > > The reasons for that are each of those packages require
> > > Term::ReadLine::Gnu and Term::ReadLine::Gnu cannot be built withreadline
> > > 2.0.  That's an ancient version of readline.  I tried with readline 2.01
> > > and my x86_64 equipment wasn't recognized by that package.  The readline
> > > versions go all the way up to 8.0 by now [...]
> >
> > The version of the libreadline8 package on bullseye is 8.1-1.
> >
> > Is there any chance you're conflating the version number of GNU readline
> > (a C library provided by the bash maintainer, currently version 8.x on
> > bullseye) with some perl package that has "readline" in its name?  Or
> > that you simply forgot to install libreadline-dev?
> >
> > Could you show us the actual error message you get when you try to
> > build it?
> >
> > Also, what's wrong with the libterm-readline-gnu-perl package in Debian?
> > Is it too old or something?
> >
> > unicorn:~$ apt-cache show libterm-readline-gnu-perl
> > Package: libterm-readline-gnu-perl
> > Version: 1.37-1
> > [...]
> >
> > unicorn:~$ apt-cache show libreadline-dev
> > Package: libreadline-dev
> > Source: readline
> > Version: 8.1-1
> > [...]
> >
> >
>
>

Re: couldn't build pipe-viewer with debian

[Jude DaShiell]

I forgot to install the -dev package.  I'll try this again and see if it
goes through.


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 07:38:25PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > pipe-viewer youtube-viewer and straw-viewer cannot be built with debian.
> > The reasons for that are each of those packages require
> > Term::ReadLine::Gnu and Term::ReadLine::Gnu cannot be built withreadline
> > 2.0.  That's an ancient version of readline.  I tried with readline 2.01
> > and my x86_64 equipment wasn't recognized by that package.  The readline
> > versions go all the way up to 8.0 by now [...]
>
> The version of the libreadline8 package on bullseye is 8.1-1.
>
> Is there any chance you're conflating the version number of GNU readline
> (a C library provided by the bash maintainer, currently version 8.x on
> bullseye) with some perl package that has "readline" in its name?  Or
> that you simply forgot to install libreadline-dev?
>
> Could you show us the actual error message you get when you try to
> build it?
>
> Also, what's wrong with the libterm-readline-gnu-perl package in Debian?
> Is it too old or something?
>
> unicorn:~$ apt-cache show libterm-readline-gnu-perl
> Package: libterm-readline-gnu-perl
> Version: 1.37-1
> [...]
>
> unicorn:~$ apt-cache show libreadline-dev
> Package: libreadline-dev
> Source: readline
> Version: 8.1-1
> [...]
>
>

couldn't build pipe-viewer with debian

[Jude DaShiell]

pipe-viewer youtube-viewer and straw-viewer cannot be built with debian.
The reasons for that are each of those packages require
Term::ReadLine::Gnu and Term::ReadLine::Gnu cannot be built withreadline
2.0.  That's an ancient version of readline.  I tried with readline 2.01
and my x86_64 equipment wasn't recognized by that package.  The readline
versions go all the way up to 8.0 by now and maybe some version that
recognizes x86_64 between 2.01 and 8.0 will be compatible with
Term::ReadLine::Gnu but I haven't found that yet.
The pipe-viewer app when it can run on a system allows for browsing and
downloading of youtube videos in a console environment and there's even a
flavor for gtk.  I didn't touch the gtk version since I'm running mostly
console on this system.  https://github.com/trizen/pipe-viewer.git is my
source for what couldn't compile.  This works in archlinux and also in
slint but not yet in debian.  It's a perl build for anyone who would like
to try it too.

Re: cpan

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I had no idea that would work!


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, Jeremy Ardley wrote:

> Pipe the output of the cpan command to less?
>
>  | less
>
> On 3/1/22 1:14 pm, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > when displaying results from a cpan search, is it possible to limit the
> > number of displayed results to the screen size then page to the next or
> > previous set of results?
> > Something like what less does with long files that are larger than your
> > screen.
> >
>

cpan

[Jude DaShiell]

when displaying results from a cpan search, is it possible to limit the
number of displayed results to the screen size then page to the next or
previous set of results?
Something like what less does with long files that are larger than your
screen.

Re: brltty=huge distraction for folks that don't need it.

[Jude DaShiell]

You can configure brltty to choose none as the voice and silence that.
Perhaps it's time for debian to have an accessibility task that can be
deselected by those that don't need accessibility yet.  All accessibility
programs that annoy the temporarily able could be put into that task and
have it either selected or not.  For those that do need accessibility, it
would be nice if the installer would come up and speak over the sound card
giving the temporarily able the option to turn speech off for the install
like slint has done for the last couple years.  Apple has done this with
Tiger 10.4 and every operating system it released since then.  That's how
I installed and got my mac mini running without any sighted assistance.
If I had seen the screen and answered the question with the keyboard
quickly enough, the speech would never have turned on at all.


On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, gene heskett wrote:

> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 5:58:44 PM EST Pierre-Elliott B?cue wrote:
> > gene heskett  wrote on 02/01/2022 at 23:53:19+0100:
> > > Greetings All;
> > >
> > > Without any conscious prompting by me, te debian 11.1 netinstall for
> > > x86-64 systems installed and setup whatever was needed to bring the
> > > screen reader to life.
> > >
> > > Any thing related to a braile function that I try to remove wants to
> > > kill
> > > another 2 or 3 gigs of system with it.
> > >
> > > Quite distracting to a sighted user when that robotic voice, speaking a
> > > very broken bandwidth of what might be english, blaring out of ones
> > > speakers 20 db louder than firefoxes audio can I am sure, find a way to
> > > silence this w/o destroying the rest of the system. Removing orca will
> > > shut it up, but that leaves brltty spamming the daemon.log complaining
> > > about a missing library every 5 seconds.  And that's close to 40
> > > megabytes a week.
> > >
> > > So, how does one shut up this useless to me, screen-reader and kill the
> > > log spamming at the same time?
> > >
> > > I think its great that folks have gone to that effort for the sightless,
> > > but why is that sort of stuff always made mandatory.
> > >
> > > I'd sure appreciate any help cleaning it out
> > >
> > > Thanks everybody.
> >
> > Removing brltty will only lead to the removal of its reverse
> > dependencies and so on. This stops at:
> >
> > * brltty-espeak
> > * brltty-flite
> > * brltty-speechd
> > * brltty-x11
> >
> > None of which you need.
> >
> That wasn't the end of the dependencies.  There were 4 more I removed and
> had to kill 2 of them in memory with htop once they were removed, but the
> log is finally silent.
>
> Thank you. Both for the help, and for learning my language so well.
>
> > Theoretically, removing brltty and orca takes little with it.
>
> The first time I tried to remove brltty, the removal cascaded all the way up
> thru all of gnome and xorg. Scary.
>
> > I don't have brltty installed on neither my bullseye nor my unstable
> > installs.
> >
> > Regards,
>
>
> Cheers, Pierre-Elliott B?cue, Gene Heskett.
>

yabasic is strange

[Jude DaShiell]

A program I wrote for blassic on another system works with bwbasic on
debian.  However with yabasic, the input statement throws an error and the
syntax is correct for yabasic too.  One possibility may be the file suffix
since it's now .bas and may need to be changed to yab.  The file I wrote
the program won't even load in yabasic for editing either.  I think the
yabasic version is way outdated too so that could be a problem too.

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

I have firmware-realtek installed for wireless devices and that's all
debian offers.


On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> > I find its home page somehow confusing
> > https://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
> > But the web says that it is supposed to work automagically for known
> > devices.
>
> may be OP is needing the firmware and this mode is a fallout mode. It is
> strange if it would need usb_modeswitch.
> Also it is strange that it does not try anything else first.
>
>

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

hcitool and rfkill list showed nothing, according to them the device isn't
there yet.  I might be able to get this going with usb_modeswitch but need
a product identifier and another item to do that.


On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Dec 16 17:10:08 taf systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Bluetooth
> > service being skipped.
> > Dec 16 17:10:33 taf dbus-daemon[475]: [system] Failed to activate service
> > 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
> > Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22
> > Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager
> > initialized
> > Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
> > Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
> > Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
>
> it says it can not start bluetooth, but HCI device and connection manager
> initialized, so what does hcitool said?
> and why is pulseaudio involved - perhaps you need
> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth and reboot to be sure it all setup properly
>
> also what said rfkill?
>
>

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

firmware-realtek has been installed a while ago.  I'm probably going to
have to run usb-modeswitch against the device.


On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, deloptes wrote:
>
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > No Linux firmware came on the disk only windows files.  To that extent I
> > > checked.  On debian does a way exist to check devices for missing
> > > firmware?
> > >
> >
> > in the log file journalctl or /var/log/syslog, after plugging in the usb (I
> > am not sure if it is usb stick, because you mentioned card, but anywa)
> > When bluetooth initializes you should see if it is looking for firmware and
> > in your case not loading it.
> >
> > It could be that you have to install linux firmware packages free or not
> > free (depends on the chip you have on the device)
> >
> > You could also check output of command rfkill list and see if hci0 device
> > exists and is blocked
> >
> > The other thing use hcitool command (hcitool dev) and see if it shows hci
> > device - I have seen some cases that hciattach needs to be run to enable
> > the device.
> Does any of this make sense?  This is journalctl output:
> 16:56:28 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Starting SDP server
> Dec 16 16:56:28 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Bluetooth management interface 1.18
> initialized
> Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Terminating
> Dec 16 16:56:40 taf dbus-daemon[453]: [system] Rejected send message, 0
> matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=817
> comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no --log-target=jo")
> interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error
> name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" requested_reply="0"
> destination=":1.17" (uid=0 pid=1157 comm="bluetoothd ")
> Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Stopping SDP server
> Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Exit
> Dec 16 16:56:40 taf dbus-daemon[453]: [system] Rejected send message, 0
> matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=817
> comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no --log-target=jo")
> interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error
> name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" requested_reply="0"
> destination=":1.17" (uid=0 pid=1157 comm="bluetoothd ")
> Dec 16 17:07:06 taf NetworkManager[1764]:   [1639692426.3763]
> Loaded device plugin: NMBluezManager
> (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/NetworkManager/1.30.0/libnm-device-plugin-bluetooth.so)
> Dec 16 17:09:50 taf NetworkManager[476]:   [1639692590.3550] Loaded
> device plugin: NMBluezManager
> (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/NetworkManager/1.30.0/libnm-device-plugin-bluetooth.so)
> Dec 16 17:10:08 taf dbus-daemon[475]: [system] Activating via systemd:
> service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service' requested by
> ':1.15' (uid=1000 pid=868 comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
> --log-target=jo")
> Dec 16 17:10:08 taf systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Bluetooth
> service being skipped.
> Dec 16 17:10:33 taf dbus-daemon[475]: [system] Failed to activate service
> 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
> Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22
> Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager
> initialized
> Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
> Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
> Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
>
> > >
>
>

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > No Linux firmware came on the disk only windows files.  To that extent I
> > checked.  On debian does a way exist to check devices for missing
> > firmware?
> >
>
> in the log file journalctl or /var/log/syslog, after plugging in the usb (I
> am not sure if it is usb stick, because you mentioned card, but anywa)
> When bluetooth initializes you should see if it is looking for firmware and
> in your case not loading it.
>
> It could be that you have to install linux firmware packages free or not
> free (depends on the chip you have on the device)
>
> You could also check output of command rfkill list and see if hci0 device
> exists and is blocked
>
> The other thing use hcitool command (hcitool dev) and see if it shows hci
> device - I have seen some cases that hciattach needs to be run to enable
> the device.
Does any of this make sense?  This is journalctl output:
16:56:28 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Starting SDP server
Dec 16 16:56:28 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Bluetooth management interface 1.18
initialized
Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Terminating
Dec 16 16:56:40 taf dbus-daemon[453]: [system] Rejected send message, 0
matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=817
comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no --log-target=jo")
interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error
name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" requested_reply="0"
destination=":1.17" (uid=0 pid=1157 comm="bluetoothd ")
Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Stopping SDP server
Dec 16 16:56:40 taf bluetoothd[1157]: Exit
Dec 16 16:56:40 taf dbus-daemon[453]: [system] Rejected send message, 0
matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=817
comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no --log-target=jo")
interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error
name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" requested_reply="0"
destination=":1.17" (uid=0 pid=1157 comm="bluetoothd ")
Dec 16 17:07:06 taf NetworkManager[1764]:   [1639692426.3763]
Loaded device plugin: NMBluezManager
(/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/NetworkManager/1.30.0/libnm-device-plugin-bluetooth.so)
Dec 16 17:09:50 taf NetworkManager[476]:   [1639692590.3550] Loaded
device plugin: NMBluezManager
(/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/NetworkManager/1.30.0/libnm-device-plugin-bluetooth.so)
Dec 16 17:10:08 taf dbus-daemon[475]: [system] Activating via systemd:
service name='org.bluez' unit='dbus-org.bluez.service' requested by
':1.15' (uid=1000 pid=868 comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
--log-target=jo")
Dec 16 17:10:08 taf systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Bluetooth
service being skipped.
Dec 16 17:10:33 taf dbus-daemon[475]: [system] Failed to activate service
'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22
Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager
initialized
Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
Dec 16 17:20:36 taf kernel: Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized

> >

re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

Havbing removed the device I ran dmesg| wc -l.
Inserting the device I ran dmesg| wc -l again and got a difference of 11
lines.
So dmesg >dmesg.log and tail -11 dmesg.log got me this information.
[10200.545324] usb 3-1: Product: DISK
[10200.545329] usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Realtek
[10200.545637] usb-storage 3-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[10200.546006] scsi host6: usb-storage 3-1:1.0
[10201.560487] scsi 6:0:0:0: CD-ROMRealtek  Driver Storage
1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[10201.566607] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr1] scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/0x caddy
[10201.588298] sr 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1
[10201.721911] usb 3-1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using
ehci-pci
[10232.215266] usb 3-1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using
ehci-pci
[10262.935626] usb 3-1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using
ehci-pci
[10293.655994] usb 3-1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using
ehci-pci

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

No Linux firmware came on the disk only windows files.  To that extent I
checked.  On debian does a way exist to check devices for missing
firmware?


On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > So in reality this may actually not be a card
> > The disk that came with this claimed it was an realtek-0179 device if
> > memory serves.
>
> did you check firmware if required - do you have it installed?
>
>

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Christian Britz wrote:

>
>
> On 2021-12-16 20:01 UTC+0100, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >> bnep   20480  0
> >> bluetooth 483328  1 bnep
> >> ecdh_generic   16384  1 bluetooth
> >> ecc40960  1 ecdh_generic
> >>
> >> That's relevant output from lsmod.
> >> If I run inxi -E
> >> that returns no bluetooth data available.
> >> This is supposed to be linux-compatible.
> >> Unfortunately using bluetoothd and bluetoothctl or blueman in G.U.I. after
> >> starting bluetooth adapters gets me nowhere.
> >> Has anyone got one of these cards from WalMart going and can give me some
> >> ideas for getting this up and working or find out if it can't work so I
> >> can trash it and buy a different card from WalMart?
> >
> > Anything interesting in lsusb?
> >
> > -dsr-
> >
>
> Or in the syslog?
> (If it is really a "card", Jude should issue lspci.)
>
I ran lspci and no mention of bluetooth happened.  dmesg.log output
returned:
[  402.931062] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22
[  402.931086] NET: Registered PF_BLUETOOTH protocol family
[  402.931088] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
[  402.931092] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
[  402.931094] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[  402.931098] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
[  402.942727] Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3
[  402.942733] Bluetooth: BNEP filters: protocol multicast
[  402.942741] Bluetooth: BNEP socket layer initialized


So in reality this may actually not be a card
The disk that came with this claimed it was an realtek-0179 device if
memory serves.
The Linux instructions were in an .mp4 file that was inaudible on my
system.
>

Re: realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > bnep   20480  0
> > bluetooth 483328  1 bnep
> > ecdh_generic   16384  1 bluetooth
> > ecc40960  1 ecdh_generic
> >
> > That's relevant output from lsmod.
> > If I run inxi -E
> > that returns no bluetooth data available.
> > This is supposed to be linux-compatible.
> > Unfortunately using bluetoothd and bluetoothctl or blueman in G.U.I. after
> > starting bluetooth adapters gets me nowhere.
> > Has anyone got one of these cards from WalMart going and can give me some
> > ideas for getting this up and working or find out if it can't work so I
> > can trash it and buy a different card from WalMart?
>
> Anything interesting in lsusb?
>
> -dsr-
>
file: lsbusb.orig

Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Device Descriptor:
  bLength18
  bDescriptorType 1
  bcdUSB   2.00
  bDeviceClass9 Hub
  bDeviceSubClass 0
  bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
  bMaxPacketSize064
  idVendor   0x1d6b Linux Foundation
  idProduct  0x0002 2.0 root hub
  bcdDevice5.14
  iManufacturer   3 Linux 5.14.14 ehci_hcd
  iProduct2 EHCI Host Controller
  iSerial 1 :00:16.2
  bNumConfigurations  1
  Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength   0x0019
bNumInterfaces  1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration  0
bmAttributes 0xe0
  Self Powered
  Remote Wakeup
MaxPower0mA
Interface Descriptor:
  bLength 9
  bDescriptorType 4
  bInterfaceNumber0
  bAlternateSetting   0
  bNumEndpoints   1
  bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
  bInterfaceSubClass  0
  bInterfaceProtocol  0 Full speed (or root) hub
  iInterface  0
  Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81  EP 1 IN
bmAttributes3
  Transfer TypeInterrupt
  Synch Type   None
  Usage Type   Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004  1x 4 bytes
bInterval  12
Hub Descriptor:
  bLength   9
  bDescriptorType  41
  nNbrPorts 4
  wHubCharacteristic 0x000a
No power switching (usb 1.0)
Per-port overcurrent protection
  bPwrOn2PwrGood   10 * 2 milli seconds
  bHubContrCurrent  0 milli Ampere
  DeviceRemovable0x00
  PortPwrCtrlMask0xff
 Hub Port Status:
   Port 1: .0100 power
   Port 2: .0100 power
   Port 3: .0100 power
   Port 4: .0100 power
Device Status: 0x0001
  Self Powered

Bus 009 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Device Descriptor:
  bLength18
  bDescriptorType 1
  bcdUSB   1.10
  bDeviceClass9 Hub
  bDeviceSubClass 0
  bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
  bMaxPacketSize064
  idVendor   0x1d6b Linux Foundation
  idProduct  0x0001 1.1 root hub
  bcdDevice5.14
  iManufacturer   3 Linux 5.14.14 ohci_hcd
  iProduct2 OHCI PCI host controller
  iSerial 1 :00:16.0
  bNumConfigurations  1
  Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength   0x0019
bNumInterfaces  1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration  0
bmAttributes 0xe0
  Self Powered
  Remote Wakeup
MaxPower0mA
Interface Descriptor:
  bLength 9
  bDescriptorType 4
  bInterfaceNumber0
  bAlternateSetting   0
  bNumEndpoints   1
  bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
  bInterfaceSubClass  0
  bInterfaceProtocol  0 Full speed (or root) hub
  iInterface  0
  Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81  EP 1 IN
bmAttributes3
  Transfer TypeInterrupt
  Synch Type   None
  Usage Type   Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0002  1x 2 bytes
bInterval 255
Hub Descriptor:
  bLength   9
  bDescriptorType  41
  nNbrPorts 4
  wHubCharacteristic 0x0009
Per-port power switching
Per-port overcurrent protection
  bPwrOn2PwrGood2 * 2 milli seconds
  bHubContrCurrent  0 milli Ampere
  DeviceRemovable0x00
  PortPwrCtrlMask0xff
 Hub Port Status:
   Port 1: .010

realtek bluetooth puzzle

[Jude DaShiell]

bnep   20480  0
bluetooth 483328  1 bnep
ecdh_generic   16384  1 bluetooth
ecc40960  1 ecdh_generic

That's relevant output from lsmod.
If I run inxi -E
that returns no bluetooth data available.
This is supposed to be linux-compatible.
Unfortunately using bluetoothd and bluetoothctl or blueman in G.U.I. after
starting bluetooth adapters gets me nowhere.
Has anyone got one of these cards from WalMart going and can give me some
ideas for getting this up and working or find out if it can't work so I
can trash it and buy a different card from WalMart?

Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

[Jude DaShiell]

debian-accessibility is interested in replacing pulseaudio with pipewire
and I can understand why!  Not saying pipewire has these essential
features but pulseaudio has been a p.i.t.a. since I've had it on any
hardware I've used.  Whenever possible I avoid installing pulseaudio or
remove it from a system that installs it automatically for sanity
purposes.



On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 09:13:11 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
> > > speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
> > > message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
> > > is no, move onto the next speaker.
> >
> > It would be nice if, for example, it remembered the way that you
> > wanted a system to be rather than recalculating it every time a
> > device changes state. If I turn off the home theater receiver
> > connected to my media server via HDMI, PulseAudio decides that
> > it can't be used, so it helpfully switches over to another audio
> > output device. When I turn the receiver back on, PulseAudio does
> > not switch back to it automatically.
> >
> > The present case is probably similar: PA decided something was
> > unplugged, switched to a different sink, and did not bring it
> > back when it was "replugged".
>
> It's not just nice to have these features, but essential, and
> that's one reason why I don't install pulseaudio. Using amixer
> in ALSA, I can type one line and have the audio set how I want
> it, with the correct levels set and unmuted, just as aumix did
> under OSS for many years.
>
> And, of course, it's not that /I/ have to type that line. If
> I now type in:
> $ touch .cron/2021-12-19-05-55-rk-250
> then the system will automatically record the Sunday morning
> programme from the radio, using appropriate recording levels
> set by the script in bin/rk.sh.
>
> I could never get beyond having to poke around in pulseaudio
> every time I used it. What I wanted was something that would
> enable me to power up the PC at bedtime Saturday, and have it
> just work without the necessity of logging in etc.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>

Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

[Jude DaShiell]

it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
is no, move onto the next speaker.


On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> > I was on the computer and stopped to eat dinner and the puter went into
> > black screen as it always does if left unattended.  It would not wake up so
> > I changed the batteries in my keyboard and it still would not wake up.  So I
> > turned it off with the switch and then back on.  Once it was on it worked
> > fine until I tried to play a you tube and found I had no sound at all.  I
> > checked the sound icon on the top right of the screen and it was set where I
> > always have it.  I went to the sound thing to check that I have sound and as
> > I tested both speakers I heard nothing.  The computer seemed to think that
> > was fine with a smiley face.
>
> Are the speakers internal or external? If external, are they
> powered up and turned on with an appropriate volume?
>
> Does it work with headphones plugged in?
>
> Run pavucontrol and click on the Configuration tab. It is not
> rare for this subsystem to decide to select the wrong audio
> output device after a reboot.
>
> Tell us what options it offers you in the Configuration tab.
>
>
> > I am on a Lenova all in one computer with Debian 9.  I have not needed any
> > upgrades lately so that is not the problem as my system is kept up to date
> > with all software.
>
> I agree that this is not the problem, but you should know that
> the reason you are not getting upgrades on Debian 9 is because
> Debian 11 is the current stable version.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: telegram-desktop backports request

[Jude DaShiell]

telegram-cli was also outdated and may remain so if no longer supported.


On Sat, 4 Dec 2021, Ralf Neubauer wrote:

> Hi Nicholas,
>
> I can second that, everything is fine now! Thank you for the quick reaction!
>
> Just to have it documented somewhere, in one of the out-of-date versions
> I had to click the [Ok] button in the message box multiple times to
> activate the window after having been away for some time. I assume the
> message boxes were stacking, about five or ten exactly one over the
> other. Since the upgrade to 3.1.1 I can't reproduce this any more for
> lack of urgent messages, but the code may still behave the same way if
> it is triggered the next time and it is very confusing for users.
>
> Thank you again,
> Ralf
>
> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 11:13:14AM +, piorunz wrote:
> > Hi Nicholas,
> >
> > That's fantastic, everything works ok now! Thank you!
> >
> > I set up new Firefox profile with Telegram tab just in case, put that in
> > place of old Telegram window, that worked for me for a day, but now I am
> > back to using telegram desktop app. Great work:)
> >
> > On 04/12/2021 10:45, Nicholas Guriev wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > On ??, 2021-12-03 at 19:44 +, piorunz wrote:
> > > > Testing has got 3.1.1. I hope bullseye-backports can update it? CC to
> > > > maintainer, Nicholas Guriev! Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > I have uploaded this version to Backports. It is already available on
> > > mirrors and should work okay.
> > > https://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/telegram-desktop/
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > With kindest regards, Piotr.
> >
> > ???
> > ??? Debian - The universal operating system
> > ??? https://www.debian.org/
> > ???
>
>

Re: Don't try this at home kids

[Jude DaShiell]

sudo doesn't ask me for my password and I didn't even touch /etc/sudoers
to do it.  A file placed in /etc/sudoers.d with permissions of 0440 having
any name you choose and contents like:
user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
in it with user being the account name will do it.


On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, Jeremy Ardley wrote:

>
> On 30/11/21 6:25 am, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> > How do I tell sudo not to ask me for my password?
> >
> > It's me. I'm on my computer. I already logged in with my password. No one
> > else is logged on.
> >
> > I know all you purists out there are rending your garments if not your
> > flesh. but c'mon sudo! Can't a brother catch a break around here?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> edit /etc/sudoers and modify / add
>
> username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
>
> P.S. I am totally unconvinced about the arguments for using sudo rather than
> running as root. You can do exactly the same damage with sudo as being root
> user.
> P.P.S The conventional instruction is to use visudo to do the edits. Which
> means using Vi, which is another anachronism that should be humanely put down.
>
>