Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Ric Moore]

On 9/19/19 12:47 PM, Tom Browder wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:30 Jude DaShiell > wrote:


On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Fred wrote:

...


 > Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank
for making
 > that much worse?


Not all agree with you. Politics and angry speech have no place on this 
list.

Amen. -Ric

Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices

[Ric Moore]

On 6/26/19 10:23 PM, David Wright wrote:


Wait a minute—you haven't paid attention to the new names yet you're
already arguing here that they shouldn't be the default?


I thought the naming changes (virtual IP addresses) were to benefit 
cluster management, fencing and nodes, so you could have live backup 
schemes and redundancies. ??  Ric

Re: A call to drop gnome

[Ric Moore]

On 4/16/19 11:32 PM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

I tried java about 15 years ago, and failed miserably. Perhaps a bad 
choice, but what the Uni course I was trying to get into required. I can 
write a script and alias's in .bashrc, the odd macro in Calc. I keep 
telling my friends it's never too late to learn, but at 71, I figure I 
can serenely claim that's enough.



I'm pushing 70 and the last time I programmed anything was "Hunt the 
Wumpus" in AppleSoft basic on a plugin card on my Integer Basic Apple][ 
in 1978. Yoho! Ric

Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

[Ric Moore]

On 4/4/19 10:15 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:


I frankly don't care if it needs users. To get users, it has to work. If
it doesn't work at least as well as synaptic, it will never get the
users. If thats not plain enough to the people making these descisions,
tuff luck.  This stuff gets its users by working, and gnome has not
recently demonstrated that. All I've seen in stretch is a roadblock to
getting anything useful done.


Amen. Another reason  that I use XFCE :) Ric

Re: vblade-persist

[Ric Moore]

On 3/13/19 4:22 PM, Eriel Perez wrote:

Hola colegas.

cuando intento

vblade-persist restart all

me dice:

warning: /var/lib/vblade-persist/vblades/e0.0: unable to open 
supervise/ok: file does not exist



Alguna sugerencia. El fichero si esta donde dice y con todos los permisos.



Wrong list my friend... https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
Enjoy, Ric

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

[Ric Moore]

On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Brian wrote:

On Sun 10 Mar 2019 at 13:18:54 -0400, deb wrote:



Crumogeon tip: It is no longer 1972.   If you have nothing nice or at least
helpful to say on a  USER list, say nothing at all.


All the responses were helpful. You just have to fit them into your
World View and accomodate them



Thanks Brian for introducing some sanity to the issue. Ric

Re: Laptop still extremely slow after replacing msata ssd and putting old one back

[Ric Moore]

On 3/4/19 12:21 PM, hdv@gmail wrote:

On 04/03/2019 16.14, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

On 04.03.2019 19:40, hdv@gmail wrote:

On 04/03/2019 15.36, Ric Moore wrote:

On 3/4/19 9:19 AM, hdv@gmail wrote:

ame day, no old image was used.

Right, but if you didn't use a "clean install" more than likely an old
configuration might be at fault. I don't have an SSD but during the install
process, wouldn't that drive be re-formatted?? Trouble shooting with a shotgun. 
Ric


Maybe, but that would only account for the trouble with the new SSD. As I wrote,
the old SSD was never changed at all. Nor was the BIOS. The system ran fine
before I took that SSD out. You'd expect the system to run fine when putting it
back in.

Grx HdV


Unless you didn't performed a reboot in a long time or\and used hibernation.


Could have been the case. But I have rebooted the laptop before replacing the
SSD to look at the BIOS settings. So in this case this was not so.


I'm just throwing suggestions blindly, because things could go wrong in many
ways if poking inside laptop case is involved.


Indeed.


Do you have another drive installed in this laptop in tray caddy, perhaps, or in
second drive slot if it is available?


Nope.


How much RAM your laptop have? Does it all detected by BIOS\OS?


There is 8GB of RAM and it is all detected. Both before and after this mess.


It is possible you have damaged some passive parts around SATA connector during
drive swap procedures. Inspect that location with magnifying glass for possible
damage to small SMD elements and inspect SATA connector itself for possible
cracks in solder joints.


I did think of hardware damage myself as well, but my inspection did not show
any visible damage. Not that that says all, but at least it is an indicator.


If everything is ok, it wouldn't hurt to insert and remove drive into SATA
connector multiple times just to ensure all contact pads in connector have a
good contact.


Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this too. Alas, without any improvement. You
could say I am at a loss...


Also show us SMART information for both SSD drives:
     $ sudo smartctl --all /dev/sda


Or, back up what you can (but no /home or /etc user/system configs) then 
install *CLEAN* reformatting everything. OR, do a live install desktop 
and see how that runs before the installation. If it's good, nuke 
everything and do a clean formatted install. Best not to copy the old 
/home or /etc back. Trouble shooting again with a shotgun and waving my 
hands hovery hovery. Ric

Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?

[Ric Moore]

On 2/21/19 1:36 PM, ghe wrote:

On 2/21/19 11:18 AM, Reco wrote:


Ping *always* required root,


Maybe, but I didn't know that. I've been on Debian since the days of the
major Toy Story characters, and I've always just typed 'ping' and it punged.


I just typed "ping redhat.com", as user, and it pinged. But I couldn't 
get it to "pung". :) Ric

Re: WiFi without Network Manager

[Ric Moore]

On 2/13/19 9:14 AM, John Hasler wrote:
s better not to post "Thanks" to a busy mailing list.  If you must do

so please put "Thanks" in the subject line.


OR "solved", which is much more useful for the next guy. No need for 
"thanks" as "solved" is the ultimate goal for posterity. It's what I 
look for in a google search to click on. Ric

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Ric Moore]

On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:


Gene writes:

I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
$ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.


People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.


Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x
more beds in the jails.+



No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70 
years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be up 
to my bank to report the transaction, not me.


"Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
Yo ho Ric

Re: IPv6 static config in /etc/network/interfaces ignored

[Ric Moore]

On 1/27/19 10:29 AM, Claudio M wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone came across this recently, because I can't find 
any bug reports or posts referring to it online (so I'm wondering if I 
messed something up inadvertenenp8s0tly).




Is /dev/eth0 still viable? Mine is now /dev/enp8s0
ifconfig should tell you. Ric

Re: Stop insulting users

[Ric Moore]

On 1/17/19 3:29 AM, Dominik George wrote:

Den 16. januar 2019 23:43:04 CET, skrev Ric Moore :

On 1/16/19 5:04 AM, plataleas plataleas wrote:

Indeed the mirror was not updated correctly. Sorry for that.


PLEASE stop spamming me and the entire list, who you have CC'd to
everyone personally. Jerk



Please get yourself removed from Debian lists instead of insulting users with 
legitimate threads, using false claims of misbehaviour.

formorer, please consider sending a warning to Ric Moore, or better, just 
remove them.


The OP posted to each and every user PLUS the list. That is a huge no 
no. Consider yourself advised that us old timers don't go for that and 
never have. Ric

Re: APT candidate does not match package on Debian repo

[Ric Moore]

On 1/16/19 5:04 AM, plataleas plataleas wrote:

Indeed the mirror was not updated correctly. Sorry for that.


PLEASE stop spamming me and the entire list, who you have CC'd to 
everyone personally. Jerk

Re: mpd cannot find default alsa soundcard; sudo -u mpd aplay -D default /Side_Right.wav results in desired audio output.

[Ric Moore]

On 12/25/18 9:40 AM, Reco wrote:

Hi.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 03:29:32PM +0100, toogley wrote:

==> any ideas?


This does not look right:


# groups mpd
mpd : audio


This means that mpd's primary group is not audio.


/etc/mpd.conf

audio_output {
 type"alsa"
 name"ALSA sound card"
}


An absence of 'group' stanza means, according to the configuration file:

# This setting specifies the group that MPD will run as. If not
# specified primary group of user specified with "user" setting will be
# used (if set).
# This is useful if MPD needs to be a member of group such as "audio" to
# have permission to use sound card.

My suspicion is that mpd simply discards membership of 'audio' group
then run as a daemon.

So, try this /etc/mpd.conf:

group "audio"

audio_output {
 type"alsa"
 name"ALSA sound card"
}


You might go over this step-by-step to see if everything is up to snuff. 
https://www.htpcguides.com/create-an-mpd-music-server-on-debian/

Re: Time Domain Reflectometer (was Re: internet outages)

[Ric Moore]

On 12/24/18 1:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 24 December 2018 12:29:53 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, December 24, 2018 08:39:18 AM Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 24 December 2018 08:18:27 Carl Fink wrote:

On 12/24/18 7:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

I have a firmware update file kit for it, but it requires a dos
box with a usb port. When was the last time you saw one of them?
Short answer is never.


Doesn't freeDOS support USB? I know they recommend booting off a
USB drive.

There's a commercial DOS driver, DOSUSB, but it's very expensive.


I'll have to check that FreeDOS out. Unforch this old Asus board
won't boot from usb.


There is (are?) dos emulator(s?) for Linux -- do any of those support
a usb port?


No clue, thats another round tuit I've misslaid someplace. And ATM. I
have 2 milling machines broken and am having to buy a third to fix the
1st one. But the ball screw I need to fix the 2nd one seems to be made
from pure unobtainium, an 8mm by 500mm. The best I can do is only 130mm
long. :(




Just so you know, they are republishing Carl and Jerry from Popular 
Electronics. I just received the first year collection, sold over at 
lulu.com :) Ric

Re: (No Subject)

[Ric Moore]

On 12/11/18 3:45 PM, md wrote:

md wrote:
Using an old PATA-to-USB cable, I attached a 15 year old PATA DVD Drive 


It's better to include a subject so others can reference your problem 
and it's possible resolution in the future. Otherwise someone has to 
devote their time only to you. This ain't a windows crowd here. Ric

Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory

[Ric Moore]

On 11/30/18 8:45 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, November 30, 2018 08:32:23 PM Ric Moore wrote:

On 11/30/18 3:47 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my
/var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those
(~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate
directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to
step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up
at each reboot...


Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user
alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual
/home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and
the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if
root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from
installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up
config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not
want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era.
"Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics.


Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user data.

I simply create a top level directory (often using my initials, e.g. /abc for
my user data  (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al -- i.e., /abc/Documents, ...).

/opt may get filled with stuff that I don't want to treat as (my) user data.


True true, but you may select the /opt partition from the install menu 
and not re-format it. Once you boot into your fresh install, /opt is 
correctly mounted and by making the necessary links from /home/user to 
/opt/user you have a fully repopulated home directory. I also have 
.mozilla and .thunderbird down there for safe keeping as well. A fresh 
re-install is very painless. Been doing this successfully for almost 20 
years. Ric



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Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory

[Ric Moore]

On 11/30/18 3:47 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:


Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my
/var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those
(~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate
directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to
step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up
at each reboot...


Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user 
alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual 
/home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and 
the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if 
root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from 
installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up 
config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not 
want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era. 
"Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics.


"Carl and Jerry" Enjoy!! Ric
http://www.copperwood.com/carlandjerry.htm#BackInPrint

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Re: that other OS

[Ric Moore]

On 11/16/18 6:31 PM, deloptes wrote:

James H. H. Lampert wrote:


Actually, I'd call WinDoze a DISservice.

(I don't allow WinDoze in my house.)


Be pragmatic. Even big crappy hammer can be useful someday, if you want to
smash something 


OK, now it can be TOLD! Enough years have passed so it should be OK. 
Back in 1999 the worst kept secret among employees at RedHat was the 
knowledge that there was one hidden computer, buried in the basement 
under heaps of cardboard boxes, that ran Windows in order to manage the 
automatic CD writing and printing machine. It refused to work under 
Linux and the CD's had to be created. There ya go, useful work. Ric



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Re: that other OS

[Ric Moore]

On 11/16/18 12:34 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


I think it would be great if more people ditched Microsoft on the
desktop and went to alternatives, as it would force more software
vendors, service providers, etc., to at least acknowledge (if not fully
support) Linux, 

However, I am not going to hold my breath.



I've held mine since 1996 with a Slackware install from floppy disks. I 
worked for RedHat from 1999 to 2000 during the IPO era. Nothing but 
Linux evere since. However I cannot bear the pain any longer. I just 
want to watch a 3D movie on DVD. I sunk a small fortune into nVidia 
cards and 3D glasses hardware and Acer hot-rod monitors, with Gsync and 
3D Vision blazened on the front. None of this works and hasn't for 
several tears, acording to my google madness hunt.


Long story short, I bought a Win 10 install package. God heal my 
darkened soul. But, I'm going to use my computer to do things that 
here-to-for has been denied me! Our community has pissed on nVidia's 
shoes once too often. So, we're ignored on the 3D front. And wine 
doesn't cut it playing high-end game titles.


My computer shits lightening and farts thunder, so it's about time I 
woke up and used the damn thing for something more than Hunt-The-Wumpus. 
I Am going to watch a 3D movie with the shutter specs. I bought the DVD 
for $10 and $500 for better hardware.Heckuva note. Ric



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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Ric Moore]

On 11/15/18 10:24 PM, Tom D. wrote:

Thank you, Sir. I understand now.


Not quite, you're still top posting. It is frowned upon greatly in these 
parts.



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Re: Help me Linux

[Ric Moore]

On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:


On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:

I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of
Linux.  Please help me!


First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line needs
to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find it.
Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally only
benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric


+1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.



We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric


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Re: Help me Linux

[Ric Moore]

On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:

I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux.  Please help me!


First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable 
problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line needs to 
be relevant to your problem for others after you to find it. Otherwise 
every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally only benefit for 
the help given. Learn how to ask for help.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric


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Re: NVIDIA drivers and virtual console problem

[Ric Moore]

On 09/15/2018 10:28 AM, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:

//"Есть два великих грехов в мире...
..грех невежества, грех от глупости.//
So stupidity is the mode of ignorance.


As the Sorting Hat once said, "I know what to do with YOU!" ...and off 
you go into my junk folder. :) Ric


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Re: NVIDIA drivers and virtual console problem

[Ric Moore]

On 09/14/2018 07:54 AM, Marco Righi wrote:

Hello,
the NVIDIA drivers (384 from Debian and 390 repositories from the nvidia site) do not 
allow me to have "virtual consoles" (to be clear, those that are activated with 
Ctrl-Alt-F1 .. F6). By installing Nouveau the problem disappears, with the two different 
versions of the NVIDIA drivers the problem appears.

The video card is:

VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF119 [GeForce GT 520] (rev a1)


Are you running the correct nvidia driver version?? A 520 is pretty long 
in the tooth and might need the legacy driver. Ric



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Re: Gimp Babl too old

[Ric Moore]

On 09/13/2018 12:41 PM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

Tixy wrote: "Sounds like the sort of thing the third party repository at
deb-multimedia.org does"

Why do they do that? Simply to order their repository ahead of the others?


Same reason some people top post. They just ignore the conventions.


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Re: Bug#908349: firefox-esr: no sound after upgrading from 52.9 to 60.2

[Ric Moore]

On 09/10/2018 08:27 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:53:01 + (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

Hello Curt,


So uninstall it then in that unfortunate case--with extreme prejudice


Time.

Oh, and I can't be arsed to try PA in the first place.   :-)


Or are we dealing with the supernatural here (software from Hell)?


I'm wary because of all the tales of woe I've read.  Obviously, there
are plenty of ppl for whom PA causes no problems at all.


Works a charm for me, and has for years, BUT every once in awhile 
something buggers alsa settings and I have to use alsamixer to raise the 
volume levels back up to 100%. Pulse rides on top of alsa, so alsa has 
to be working before pulse can do it's thing.


I also recommend cheap USB sound devices as they seem to always work. 
Whatever passes for a sound device on my laptop never seems to work, but 
plugging in a pair of USB headphones always does. Ric




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Re: Sound in Stretch

[Ric Moore]

On 09/10/2018 04:22 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:19:09PM +0100, Joe wrote:


There's no alsa-base in Stretch.

Should there be some other way of producing sounds?


If you're looking for alsamixer, it's in alsa-utils.  ALSA should just
work out of the box for most users who skip the Desktop Environment
during the installation (and therefore do not have to circumvent pulse).

The only steps required for most people are to install alsa-utils,
run alsamixer, unmute the master channels, and raise the volume of the
master channels above zero.



You have to do that even with pulse up and running. Ric


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Re: Debian Stretch Am Confused about /dev/dsp

[Ric Moore]

On 08/31/2018 03:51 AM, didier gaumet wrote:

Hello,

from what I understand, using alsa-oss would be better than using the
OSS emulation module, partircularly if one is to use sound plug-ins?
  https://packages.debian.org/stretch/alsa-oss


If you use pulse you can execute your program using the prefix "padsp" 
Kino still requires /dev/dsp so you would launch it using padsp kino

Works a charm. Ric

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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[Ric Moore]

On 08/09/2018 01:39 PM, tech wrote:

Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something 
more modern like a bugzilla or else ???


Why?? There already are plenty of such sites, you need only pick and 
choose. I like it here as I don't have to read a "me too!" message with 
a meg of attachments, html ads and rainbow snorting unicorns. If you 
really are a "tech", you would know better than ask.


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Re: Using Sid - sound prob

[Ric Moore]

On 08/09/2018 05:10 AM, Joe wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200
deloptes  wrote:




Regarding the sound - I never had a problem in the past 12+ years.


You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for
sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I
didn't find whatever magical incantation would prevent this, if it
existed.


I too have not had a serious sound system problem in YEARS. I don't dink 
with hand edits, I use alsamixer to set up my sound devices, then use 
pulse to select the output/input devices as I select them. No probs. I 
did make it easy for my system by using only USB sound devices. They are 
not only CHEAP but trouble free. I have a USB stereo headphone with 
mike, a USB 7.1 sound device (so I can blast my neighbors into the next 
county if I were wanting to do that).and there is a mike on my USB web 
cam. ALL easily configurable, as well as usable with alsa/pulse. I also 
use the USB headphones on my laptop. The built-in speakers are crap.


>> I'm a computer *user*.

Not once you start screwing around with stuff.
IF alsa cannot deal with your audio device, find an open window.
Then toss the device out the window.
(or disable it in bios)
Get a USB audio device and pray your hand edits haven't rendered alsa 
useless. Ric


p/s don't use Sid
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Re: Can't play Steam games

[Ric Moore]

On 08/05/2018 12:26 PM, Jose G. López wrote:

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:24:51 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:


On 08/04/2018 02:30 PM, Jose G. López wrote:

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 13:28:13 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:


Enter this: in a terminal:  inxi -SGx
What do you get?? Ric



Hi Ric,

I get this:
--
$ inxi -SGx
System:Host: pc-debian Kernel: 4.17.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
v: 7.3.0
 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Graphics:  Card-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 390.77
 bus ID: 02:00.0
 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.0 driver: nvidia resolution: 
1920x1080~60Hz
 OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.1.5
 direct render: Yes
--


It doesn't note that a driver is installed. So, if you have the nvidia
driver installed directly from nvidia, remove it. From a terminal run
"locate nvidia", you might have to remove those files by hand IF you
directly installed the driver from the nvidia website. Next, run
software updater (it's in your XFCE system menu tab) and let it install
your driver for you. Before you reboot, run /usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig to
create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for you. Then a reboot should have
you up and running. I HOPE this helps. Ric



Hi Ric,

I always use nvidia driver from Debian but strangely OpenGL renderer
in use was Mesa (I didn't noticed when pasted the output). Don't know
which upgrade changed that. That should be the problem. I have purged
nvidia completly and installed again with:

$ sudo aptitude install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings libgl1-nvidia-glx
libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 libnvidia-glcore:i386

Those latest packages installs non-GLVND OpenGL/GLX/EGL/GLES 32-bit
libraries which I think work better with old games. Now I get:

$ inxi -SGx
System:Host: pc-debian Kernel: 4.17.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
v: 7.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Graphics:  Card-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 390.77
bus ID: 02:00.0
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.0 driver: nvidia unloaded: 
modesetting
resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 750 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 
390.77
direct render: Yes

Tried some games and are loading and running fine.

Thank you!


Great to hear!! I'm running two GeForce GTX 1050 Ti cards to 3 monitors. 
Using xinerama I have one display of 5760x1080 pixels across the three. 
I love my nVidia drivers. Ric




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Re: Setting default network device in Buster

[Ric Moore]

On 08/04/2018 03:14 PM, Shea Alterio wrote:
Pascal, i'm sure when he says "as the default" he wants it to 
automatically turn on at boot / login. sometimes it's called the 
preferred interface among other names.


Please try not to top-post.

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Re: Can't play Steam games

[Ric Moore]

On 08/04/2018 02:30 PM, Jose G. López wrote:

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 13:28:13 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:


Enter this: in a terminal:  inxi -SGx
What do you get?? Ric



Hi Ric,

I get this:
--
$ inxi -SGx
System:Host: pc-debian Kernel: 4.17.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
v: 7.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Graphics:  Card-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 390.77
bus ID: 02:00.0
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.0 driver: nvidia resolution: 
1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.1.5
direct render: Yes
--




It doesn't note that a driver is installed. So, if you have the nvidia 
driver installed directly from nvidia, remove it. From a terminal run 
"locate nvidia", you might have to remove those files by hand IF you 
directly installed the driver from the nvidia website. Next, run 
software updater (it's in your XFCE system menu tab) and let it install 
your driver for you. Before you reboot, run /usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig to 
create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for you. Then a reboot should have 
you up and running. I HOPE this helps. Ric



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Re: Can't play Steam games

[Ric Moore]

On 08/04/2018 12:33 PM, Jose G. López wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone having problems playing games on Steam? Loading is very slow
and seems unable to render graphics. My card is a GeForce GTX 750 Ti.

I'm using Testing up-to-date, nvidia-driver (390.77-1). I don't know
since wich version of nvidia driver because I play few times. I tried
to downgrade to 390.48-3 with no luck. Also tried to install non-glvnd
version of the driver but doesn't work either.

What can be the problem? I don't see errors related neither in Steam
nor in nvidia. I'm little bit lost.




Enter this: in a terminal:  inxi -SGx
What do you get?? Ric


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Re: [OT] An easier database

[Ric Moore]

On 07/25/2018 02:00 PM, Clive Standbridge wrote:

I wonder if it would be nice for apt to have a feature so that a
user could mark packages "never install".


Anyone remember "File Cabinet" for Win3.1? It didn't get easier than 
that! Ric



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Re: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND

[Ric Moore]

On 07/14/2018 11:50 AM, Hubert Hauser wrote:

Hello!


Please don't top post. Ric


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Re: No sound/audio

[Ric Moore]

On 07/11/2018 03:31 AM, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote:


So is there anyone who can give hints about what I have missed so far?


I hate to suggest this on the Debian list, but I installed Ubuntu-Studio 
to a separate partition which gives you fully functional jack and a 
real-time kernel to do your studio work with. Pretty darn fast, found my 
midi in no time and was up and running without the usual beating your 
head on the keyboard in frustration.


I be stupid, ...so I like it simple. Ric

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Re: Kernel upgrade = freeze on boot (linux-image-4.16.0-2-amd64)

[Ric Moore]

On 07/04/2018 09:12 PM, Carl Fink wrote:

On 07/02/2018 04:49 AM, Guillaume Clercin wrote:
You need to update "/etc/default/grub" and add parameter to boot with. 
In this
file, you need to edit the line starting with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and 
append
option: "slab_common.usercopy_fallback=y". This workaround was 
suggested by

nvidia maintainer. Don't forget to run "update-grub" after.

nvidia-graphics-drivers (390.67-1) unstable; urgency=medium

   For using the NVIDIA driver on Linux 4.16.16-1 or newer, the following
   kernel boot option may be needed as a workaround for #901919:
 slab_common.usercopy_fallback=y
   See https://bugs.debian.org/901919 for details.

  -- Andreas Beckmann   Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:32:19 +0200

This workaround works fine for me. Currently, I'm using nvidia-driver
(390.67-1) and Linux (4.16.0-2-amd64).

I am late in saying it, but thank you, Guillaume.

This also worked for me.


Worked for me too!! THANKS!!! Ric


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Re: how to update Debian 9.4 to at least OpenGL 3.3

[Ric Moore]

On 06/28/2018 12:20 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

glxinfo | grep "OpenGL core profile version"


My system reports:
ric@iam:/opt/ric/Downloads/warzone2100-2.3.8/src$ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL 
core profile version"

OpenGL core profile version string: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.48
ric@iam:/opt/ric/Downloads/warzone2100-2.3.8/src$

So, a lot might depend on which video driver you use. FYI, Ric

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Re: A long rant on Debian 9

[Ric Moore]

On 05/07/2018 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:

Answering a question or two might see a dramatic increase in betterness.


I'm stealing that one! Ric

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Re: [Asus x205ta] Wireless not working after suspend-resume

[Ric Moore]

On 03/19/2018 11:57 AM, Leandro Noferini wrote:


I wrote a little script in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/brcmfmac like:


Be careful when you "write a little script". Try this:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade

https://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade

Searching on "debian wifi card after the suspend-resume"  finds a 
boatload of example fixes.


...mostly seems to be a systemd problem. Ric

p/s cross-posting is frowned upon here.
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Re: [Asus x205ta] Sound not working on Intel HDMI/DP LPE Audio

[Ric Moore]

On 03/19/2018 12:51 PM, Leandro Noferini wrote:
 how I could force

pulseaudio to use only the first audio card?



Install pavucontrol. Under the configuration tab you can either 
configure or turn off the devices it finds. Turn off the one you don't 
want. You should use alsamixer first, as pulse sits on top of alsa. Use 
the F6 key to select a source other than the system source. It ought to 
work just fine. (google for alsamixer for more options) If you have more 
questions just ask. Remember alsamixer first, pavucontrol second. Ric


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Re: Multichannel audio listening

[Ric Moore]

On 03/05/2018 08:43 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


Do they make 5.2 or 7.2 sound cards for computers--if so, you could consider a
similar approach using those 5 (or 7) channels.



I'm using a 7.1 USB sound device quite successfully. They  are quite 
cheap, too. Ric



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Re: no audio

[Ric Moore]

On 02/24/2018 02:57 PM, Glenn English wrote:

Fixed.

Deleted PulseAudio and rebooted, looked at aslamixer (no changes), and
all is well. IMHO, PA is indeed the spawn of Satan, and everybody
responsible for it must be taken out and hanged. And PA must be
removed from the Debian installs and burned.


Sorry but there is no way on earth that all sound systems/devices are 
commonly supported. Get USB devices and they seem to work out of the 
box. No problem removing pulse until you need to easily switch 
outputs/inputs on the fly. Just for kicks, re-install pulse and see if 
it works now. Ric


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Re: no audio

[Ric Moore]

On 02/24/2018 02:10 PM, Glenn English wrote:

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Curt  wrote:


I have two sound devices--HD-AUDIO GENERIC (which corresponds to HDMI)
and HDA ATI SB (Realtek chip which I use for sound output).

Selecting the HDA ATI SB card in alsamixer (F6) was fruitless (although
you can eventually unmute muted channels there to positive effect).

I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
chip on.

As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
headphones).

I now have sound through the headphones.


Still nothing here.

pavucontrol was already installed, so I ran it. It came up in the
Output Devices mode. 


Did you goto the right-most tab "Configuration"? That is where you can 
turns things on/off. Mine is


HDA NVidia  Off
HDA NVidia  Off
Built in Audio  Off
USB Audio DeviceAnalog Stereo Output and Analog mono Input
CM106 Like Sound Device Analog Surround 7.1 Output


Turn OFF what you don't need/want and configure what you do have. My 
BEST luck is using USB. Stinkin' stereo jacks have to figure if your 
speakers are directly connected or amplified. Doesn't always work out on 
laptops especially. The USB audio device is my USB stereo headphones, 
and the CM106 Like Sound Device is my USB 7.1 sound setup to blow my 
neighbors into the next county. Hope this helps, USB seems to work best. Ric

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Re: no audio

[Ric Moore]

On 02/24/2018 05:04 AM, Curt wrote:


I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
chip on.

As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
headphones).

I now have sound through the headphones.




Life can be GOOD! :) Ric


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Re: no audio

[Ric Moore]

On 02/23/2018 04:26 PM, Glenn English wrote:


I've heard that PulseAudio is the spawn of Satan, and I've used alsa
and its predecessor successfully for years with the mobo audio and
alsa with my RME Hammerfall card.

I haven't scoured to logs for errors yet...


Check your logs. I've used pulse for years with nary a burp in the 
barrel. Do you have pavucontrol installed?? If not, please do so. Use it 
to attempt to configure your sound card. Pulse sits on top of alsa. If 
alsa doesn't work, pulse doesn't stand a chance.  I have the Realtek 
alc892 and alsamixer finds it without problems. Do you have some old 
edits to files like .asoundrc?? I do not have those files. 
Troubleshooting with a shotgun, Ric


p/s when you use alsamixer you want to see "OO" and not "MM" at the 
bottom of the volume bars. Use the 'm' key to switch the state and then 
the arrows keys to switch between outputs/inputs. "OO" means they are 
active and "MM" is muted.



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Re: MIDI-to-USB on Debian?

[Ric Moore]

On 02/14/2018 11:33 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Ric Moore <wayward4...@gmail.com> wrote:


Gene, they are cheap as dirt. Check Ebay. If the OP really wants midi
rolling full-blown install Ubuntu Studio. It uses a RT kernel and Jack audio
for low low latency. The fun part will be the setup. I'm just starting out
myself, and it takes some wrapping of the brain around the software. Ric


Thanks for that, that was the next step. Was considering the
Supercollider distribution for
for the RT kernel, if they still do SC that way.


Ubuntu studio installs all sorts of audio/video apps that benefit from 
the RT kernel. Again, I'm having to wrap my brains around all of the 
midi apps that it installs. Surprised that it doesn't install 
rosegarden. Last time I dealt with anything like it was MOD software, 
back in the day! I'm an old fart like Gene, I almost miss the Caldera 
days when you had to roll your own kernel just to get a CD to work. Ric





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Re: end of security support for wheezy LTS

[Ric Moore]

On 02/13/2018 06:47 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


I agree Deloptes, debian's newer releases are generally better, if the
ever increasing paranoia can be worked around. The major problems are
with the difficulties in building and installing, a newer, realtime
kernel for machine control usage, when the boot protocol is not grub
like, and none of these modern whiz bang credit card sized offerings use
grub to boot.
Gene, installing Ubuntu Studio, with it;s preconfigured RT kernel might 
be worth looking into. Then you will have all the updates you want 
without busting your knuckles. Works a charm for my midi uses. :) Ric

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Re: MIDI-to-USB on Debian?

[Ric Moore]

On 02/13/2018 05:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Tuesday 13 February 2018 16:00:20 Nicholas Geovanis wrote:


Does anyone have a MIDI-to-USB adapter they could recommend for Debian
and/or linux?
This is just for a point-to-point connection from a Yamaha keyboard to
a laptop. Software on the laptop remains undetermined, probably some
combination of Rhythmbox, CSound, Supercollider and god knows what
else. Thanks..Nick


There may be such a critter, but expect to pay thru the nose for it, and
that the midi timing may suffer critically.


Gene, they are cheap as dirt. Check Ebay. If the OP really wants midi 
rolling full-blown install Ubuntu Studio. It uses a RT kernel and Jack 
audio for low low latency. The fun part will be the setup. I'm just 
starting out myself, and it takes some wrapping of the brain around the 
software. Ric


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Re: Thunderbird font broken

[Ric Moore]

On 01/12/2018 03:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Markus Grunwald composed on 2018-01-12 20:24 (UTC+0100):


Thunderbird seems to handle fontsizes different than all the other
programs I'm using. I had to install the extension "Theme Font & Size
Changer for Thunderbird" (62.0) to fix that broken behaviour, then all
was fine.


If you have a mousewheel, use CTRL and mousewheel to increase/decrease 
font size. Works a charm on both Thunderbird and Firefox. Enjoy! Ric



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Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance)

[Ric Moore]

On 12/26/2017 11:28 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:35:16 PM Ric Moore wrote:



If you used it to any etent it was. I racked up several bills in the
hundreds, doing what we take for granted nowadays. Luckily I had a
moderator friend! Ric


Thanks!  I guess then I'm extra glad I never signed up for AOL!  (I used
various Bulletin Boards back then.)


I ran "The Home for Wayward computers" BBS with 8 incoming lines/modems 
that gave everyone command-line access to a Linux server. We ran ytalk 
for everyone to chat with and a Nightmare MudOS that everyone edited and 
built. Great times. And all of that on a 486-66. One of the biggest free 
BBS's on the east coast at the time. It's amazing what you can do with a 
little CPU using just text mode. Ric



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Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance)

[Ric Moore]

On 12/23/2017 03:50 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, December 23, 2017 03:31:31 PM Ric Moore wrote:

Bob's your uncle. BTW, Google is no where as obnoxious as AOL during the
old days when you could be paying hundreds a month for access to the web
and email. I'll take Google any day and thank them for the huge
freebies. Ric


This is OT, but I remember AOL as being expensive, but I didn't think it was
hundreds per month.



If you used it to any etent it was. I racked up several bills in the 
hundreds, doing what we take for granted nowadays. Luckily I had a 
moderator friend! Ric



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Re: Youtube - newbie guidance

[Ric Moore]

On 12/23/2017 05:02 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/22/2017 04:06 PM, Ben Finney wrote:

Richard Owlett  writes:


I've never used youtube before.


One thing to note explicitly: YouTube is deliberately designed to
thwart downloading videos.

YouTube's owner (Google, Alphabet, whatever they call themselves next
year) have chosen a business model [0] that benefits when more people
keep watching videos *via the site* [1]. So downloading videos from
the site works directly against the business model they have chosen.


I personally consider Google goal is to be as obnoxious as possible.
I avoid them whenever physically possible.


Just use youtube-dl on the command line while being in the directory you 
wish to save the video in. The copy the video url and use it like this:

>youtube-dl 
Every once in awhile use this to update it
>sudo youtube-dl -U


Bob's your uncle. BTW, Google is no where as obnoxious as AOL during the 
old days when you could be paying hundreds a month for access to the web 
and email. I'll take Google any day and thank them for the huge 
freebies. Ric



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Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd

[Ric Moore]

On 12/08/2017 05:12 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
 Something I did *not* understand when I saw it in

operation was why a password was needed at the terminal but not from
within the GUI's "Applications > Log Out" menu path.


Thank you Cindy, now I don't have to point out the obvious! :) Ric


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Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

[Ric Moore]

On 11/29/2017 04:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +, Richard Zimmerman wrote:

I'm pretty new to the Debian list here


Welcome aboard!


but over on the CentOS list I'm on, migrating from init system to
systemd isn't for the faint of heart as I understand it.


There's more of a culture of upgrade rather than reinstall in Debian
than in CentOS and family, in general. The systemd upgrade was handled
very well and was seamless for most people; however, someone upgrading
from such a long release ago is not something that will have been
thoroughly tested and it's quite possible that an old init script that
was modified (and therefore won't be replaced by package upgrades) could
come along for the ride and cause problems.


I keep /opt on a separate partition. In have a subdirectory there as 
/opt/ric
Next I copy -raf .mozilla there and then .thunderbird, Pictures, Videos, 
Documents, Downloads, Music, ...etc. just don't copy everything, as oy 
want fresh .config files when you install fresh. At install time, do not 
reformat your /opt partition. When you reboot into your fresh install, 
delete all those desktop directories and create links to your /opt 
directory locations. Now you can destroy your install root partition and 
be back up in business with minimal fuss. I've been doing this since the 
old Caldera days. Works a bloody charm.Ric



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Re: cups config for Brother HL-L2340DW

[Ric Moore]

On 11/22/2017 02:26 PM, Siard wrote:

Pierre Frenkiel:

[...] but no way with CUPS.


Did you try the CUPSwrapper driver for your model supplied by Brother
itself?

http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=gb=en=hll2340dw_us_eu_as=128

I have a similar driver for another Brother model, and it works fine
with it.


Agreed, once you figure out their driver install system, it works just 
fine. But, I'm using USB to avoid adding wifi to the problem. I also 
installed Gutenprint, which it seems to like. Ric



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Re: Any Sound Card Recommendations?

[Ric Moore]

On 11/21/2017 09:42 AM, Thomas George wrote:

I would like a really good sound card for my system and don't want to 
make the same mistake twice.


Any recommendations?


USB headphones seem to always work. I have a USB 7.1 sound device that 
works a charm as well.  ALSA/Pulse seems to love them both, Ric



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Re: No Sound - Puzzle

[Ric Moore]

On 11/16/2017 11:20 PM, Thomas George wrote:

I also wish alsa had a signal strength monitor. Maybe I should reinstall 
pulseaudio.


Pulse rests on top of ALSA. If ALSA not workee then Pulse doesn't stand 
a chance.


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Re: estamated number of Linux users?

[Ric Moore]

On 10/26/2017 11:21 PM, John Hasler wrote:

Celejar writes:

https://www.linuxcounter.net/
I don't know how meaningful its data are.


Utterly useless.


I wouldn't demean the Linux Counter effort calling it "Utterly useless". 
Those folks have maintained the site since 1999 or so. It is what it 
is... a database of users who have bothered to have themselves counted 
as a Linux User. They don't claim to be anything else. Ric




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Re: [solved] Re: Live recording

[Ric Moore]

On 08/16/2017 09:40 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
please excuse my amateur wording here. Summary: the best of

the best is available with jackd and Ardour, for absolutely any
tricky situation.


Doesn't jack require an rt kernel to enable all of it's features?? Ric


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Re: need help on audio recording

[Ric Moore]

On 08/14/2017 05:06 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 09:23:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:


Perhaps I start offering babysitting for hire.


[other unnecessary borderline abuse elided]

C'm on. Be friendlier. Communication is sometimes difficult. From
what can be seen here, Long Wind has crossed a large cultural gap
to be here. 


He has been asked to respect the group norm, more than once, and cease 
top-posting. Mutual respect goes a long ways in tech support. If you 
want respect you give respect. Ric



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Re: why audio recording is so hard in Linux

[Ric Moore]

On 08/14/2017 03:27 AM, Michael Lange wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:31 + (UTC)
Long Wind  wrote:


even simple task like recording from line in can't be donethough i try
very hard mencoder has many advanced featuresall seem useless


have you checked if your sound card's IGain is muted or set to a very low
level? Here I can set "Line" as capture device but the recording level is
determined only by the setting of "IGain". These things may differ from
card to card though, so I'd recommend to use alsamixer or the gui-mixer of
your choice to check the settings of the other mixer lines.


Pulse audio sits on top of alsa. Use alsamixer to select the sound 
source (f6) and check that the input is not muted. If you see 'mm' it is 
muted so hit the 'm' key to unmute it ( you should see '00') then raise 
it's volume level to max using the up-arrow key. Hit 'esc' to exit. Then 
use pavucontrol open the 'configuration' tab then select the sound 
device. If it has stereo speakers then select stereo plus analog mono 
input. Check the input devices tab to select your desired input device. 
Leave this open and started your graphical recording app. Start 
recording and check the recoding tab on pavucontrol. You should see the 
audio level flickering.


Keep in mind that this is how stock audio is installed to Debian. If you 
are following ten year old alsa setups of config files from the net, you 
will be stuck and virtually punching alsa repeatedly in the face. Using 
pulse you can have many sound input devices and you can select between 
them on the fly.


I have five sound devices and I use pavucontrol to disable three of them 
leaving my USB 7.1 sound system to be output only and my USB headphones 
to be stereo and analog mono input. Click click, dead simple. Again, if 
alsamixer isn't set correctly, pulse doesn't stand a chance. Ric


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Re: Help with USB audio card

[Ric Moore]

On 08/10/2017 09:06 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

Curt  writes:


On 2017-08-07, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:


Besides, I ran alsamixer, selected the USB card and unmuted everything.  But
then, when I try to record, no sound is recorded.  I do:



This makes no sense BTW. Unmuted everything? You're *recording*, so what
you want to do in alsamixer is to select your external usb audio card
(F6), display its capture device(s) (F5), and toggle on the input
channel of your choice (space bar).

But I assume you have arrived at this crucial result in one way or another.



I did.  Besides, the USB card does not even work with headphones: when
headphones are plugged into it, no sound is heard from them.


If you were running pulseaudio, you would merely select the headphones. 
I suggest you use USB headphones. They are cheap. Works a charm. Ric



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Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver

[Ric Moore]

On 07/30/2017 10:29 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:


I'll reread the s option with new insight. But I really prefer the
monitor being powered down instead of using a screensaver, since my
system runs 24/7 and it's in my bedroom.  A 24" monitor makes an awfully
bright nightlight. ;-)


VLC will kill the xscreensaver. Ric


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Re: Free software

[Ric Moore]

On 07/21/2017 11:49 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


Or use a $29 nvidia card and the Nouveau driver, which card does the job
quite nicely for what we need. 
Again, what YOU need isn't what the OP had in mind, as he's not running 
an RT kernel to drive a CNC rig. He was deciding how to get the most out 
of his nVidia card, not the least. :) Ric


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Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Ric Moore]

On 07/22/2017 12:51 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:


There is no rational explanation for failing to make all 5 tabs visible.


No idea what your problem is, I have always been able to see the tabs. Ric


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Re: Free software

[Ric Moore]

On 07/19/2017 09:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


The NVidia drivers have a huge problem if they are asked to co-exist with
any system that depends on real time IRQ response. 


Which are thankfully few and far between. You could probably just use a 
VESA driver and some S3 Virge video card to get the same performance and 
resolution that you need. But, anyone else who needs accelerated 
graphics will use the nvidia supplied driver. Thank you Gene, you just 
proved the case that if you want to put a $300 video card in a head-lock 
and punch it repeatedly in the face, use the Nouveau driver. :) Ric



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Re: Free software

[Ric Moore]

On 07/19/2017 12:33 AM, Doug wrote:

All the wonderful Linux programmers
have had YEARS to modify it and make it better than what
Nvidia provides, but it seems that they haven't succeeded.
I am very happy with my Nvidia cards and Nvidia drivers.
What the devil is everybody bitching about?

And, of course, doesn't it make sense that the company that
invented and produces and sells a product ought to know more
about how to operate it than a bunch of "de-engineers?"



Amen. I paid large dollars for my dual nVidia card setup driving four 
monitors quite nicely with the nVidia supplied driver. And, over the 
many years, read nothing but complaints about AMD/Intel video which has 
provided many a evil chuckle. I agree, it comes down to if owners of 
nVidia products are complaining and everyone else minding their own 
business. More than likely the ONLY reason nvidia pays Linux users any 
attention at all is for NASA contracts. If I were them, I'd tell us to 
go to hell. Ric



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Re: Free software

[Ric Moore]

On 07/18/2017 09:38 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

but state and local governments have been following the federal
government's lead, producing many constitutionally impermissible regulations for
many decades, and getting away with it because of prohibitive legal and time
expense involved in contesting impermissible regulation.


When you purchase a mortgage, they demand you buy insurance to cover the 
loss of the asset. Insurance companies will mandate certain specs for 
construction in order to make the property as safe as possible. Ergo, 
you have many agencies that can mandate that certain industry standards 
are met for safety reasons. This is a good thing. There is nothing 
unconstitutional about it, you agreed to an expected level of 
construction safety when you applied for the mortgage. Otherwise you 
might wake up with the roof in your bed, like in less developed 
countries.Ric



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Re: Stretch, pulseaudio and bluetooth headphones

[Ric Moore]

On 06/29/2017 09:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hello the list!

Quite a while ago I bought a pair of Bang & Olufsen bluetooth headphones
and have been using them from Jessie.

The list may remember I had a little bit of a struggle getting them to
work with Jessie, which eventually turned out to be because I
unknowingly had 2 instances of Pulse running...

After that all has been working great, until I upgraded to Stretch.

After the upgrade, I was getting only mono sound.

I followed the instructions I found here -->
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=197482https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=197482

and moving the command to load module-bluetooth-discover so it isn't run
until X starts as described there fixed it. But I am not very
comfortable with the solution -- it feels like it is likely to get
undone in the future by an unsuspecting package upgrade.

Anyone else seen this? Are there better solutions to be had? (Solutions
that aren't likely to fall apart after I've forgotten what I did)


Make sure that pavucontrol is installed and that you use it to set up 
your headphones. Click on the "Configuration" tab and select stereo from 
the drop down list. Should work just fine as long as lsusb shows the 
device. Ric



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Re: Printer Setup Problem

[Ric Moore]

On 06/12/2017 11:08 AM, Jan-Peter Rühmann wrote:

Did the same command work with the Debian PC?
Nonetheless have you choose the right driver?


For the love of $DEITY$, must you top post?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

To the OP, make sure samba is not installed. Get the printer working and 
then re-install samba, if you must. It took the entire customer support 
team at RedHat two days to discover samba messing with my wife's 
computer and printer. Jobs were sent yet never got printed. Ric


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Re: Proper sources list from Jessie > Stretch

[Ric Moore]

On 06/02/2017 10:41 AM, Fungi4All wrote:

Sorry for the top-post but I think it is appropriate


It is not ever appropriate, no matter what you think. Ric


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Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust]

[Ric Moore]

On 05/25/2017 06:56 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 05/24/2017 12:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:



The man page 
_mentions_ setting wallpaper in passing my noting "Use --no-xinerama to
treat the whole X display as one screen when setting wallpapers."


I use one wallpaper across four screens. I just right click on the 
desktop, select "Desktop Settings", select your wallpaper and scroll the 
vertical bar down to reveal the settings you want (or make it full 
screen)  select "Spanning Screens" style and check "Apply to all 
workspaces.  Bob's your uncle, you should be set. Net, go to some wall 
paper site and find W_I_D_E wallpapers. :) Ric

p/s Using XFCE.

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Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome.

[Ric Moore]

On 05/24/2017 08:57 AM, Anil Duggirala wrote:

Oh, and also, I did not find /var/log/Xorg.0.log,


Please don't top post. You don't see anyone else doing that do you??
Take a clue. Ric


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Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[Ric Moore]

On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote:

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


*ROFL!*  ;/
I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century.
About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI
of an organization recently in the news.
I investigated "Linux from Scratch", Slackware, and Ubuntu. Debian was
chosen for having a good mixture of customizing possibilities and breath of
easily installed tested software.


IMHO You should do LFS - Over the past 18 months or so, the amount of
traffic attributed to you and your learning is incredible. A lot of time is
spent on your issues, (which face it aren't really problems) while I feel
that other users don't get the attention needed. What makes you think you
should monopolize this list as your personal research tool? It's fucking
ridiculous!


My current mantra is "If retirement isn't for learning, what use is it?"


Maybe get out and enjoy life more? I'm retired too, but don't spend all my
time at the keyboard!



If he's like me, an amputee in a wheelchair, keeping the ole brain 
active, while everything else is failing, isn't a bad thing. I also 
watch a lot of cooking shows, but that is another matter.  Ric



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Re: Useable guide to first invocation of mariadb - where?

[Ric Moore]

On 05/08/2017 11:06 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:


I then did
  apt-get install mariadb-client mariadb-server

As user I (reasonably) see:
richard@stretch-2nd:~$ mariadb
ERROR 1698 (28000): Access denied for user 'richard'@'localhost'

As root I see:
root@stretch-2nd:/home/richard# mariadb
Welcome to the MariaDB monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MariaDB connection id is 10
Server version: 10.1.22-MariaDB- Debian 9.0


I have no experience with this database, but you may wish to check 
/etc/group and see if there is a mariadb group to add your user to. When 
trouble shooting with a shotgun, you're bound to get lucky. Ric



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Re: converting my local site to be https only access

[Ric Moore]

On 04/30/2017 09:32 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
than my site traffic is.  So once

I've restored normal http operations, I'll come back and see if I can
find some help converting it to https.

Thank you david...@freevolt.org.



If you were running wordpress, there are plugins to automate the 
conversion. BUT!! Since I have been down this path, all of your website 
references/links to http have to be converted to reflect https, since 
https will not willingly serve http content. Good luck. I finally went 
to a host that would do the complete conversion for me and serve our 
website.That, in the long run, was cheaper than another heart attack! :) Ric



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Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

[Ric Moore]

On 04/26/2017 10:17 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

"ifconfig" has to be run as root.
ric@iam:~$ sudo ifconfig
[sudo] password for ric:
enp8s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500


This is not correct, if you are just using it to view an interface rather
than to change the interface.

ifconfig lives in the /sbin directory, which is not in the default PATH
that user accounts get when they login.  It *is* in the PATH that you
get when you run su, or sudo.  That's why it works when you slap sudo
in front of it.

You could also simply run /sbin/ifconfig directly.  Or, you could change
your PATH variable to include the /sbin directory.  Either of these will
let you run ifconfig without root privileges.


And that makes me incorrect how?? For a new user, who doesn't want to 
dink with $PATH, su or sudo will run ifconfig. It doesn't run, out of 
the box, as USER, which was the OP's original issue. Ric

.


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Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

[Ric Moore]

On 04/26/2017 08:36 AM, Brian wrote:

On Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 07:17:11 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

On 24/04/17 22:58, Richard Owlett wrote:

If there were user accessible registers with a running total of
uploaded/downloaded data since device power on would be almost ideal
granularity.


Is ifconfig available on a console during installation?


I can not check at the moment.


I attempted to check this morning using
  debian-stretch-DI-rc3-i386-netinst.iso

I did an install using expert mode, not selecting any GUI.
At several points during the install I did Alt-F2 to bring up a terminal to
attempt running ifconfig.

"Command not found" was the uniform response.
I booted the new install and attempted as root to run ifconfig.
I again got "Command not found".
That seemed odd.

Having previously done an install using the same ISO and having selected the
MATE desktop, I repeated the above with the same error.

I have no problem running ifconfig under Squeeze (8.6.0).

Is it "bug" or "operator error"?


Let us see how a reasonably experienced user could have investigated the
cause. The package which provides ifconfig can be found from 'dpkg -S'
on a machine which has it. Or from the packages page on the Debian web
site,

The ISO can be opened up (I use mc) and the /pool/main directory entered.
Go to "n". See it? No? Not a bug, then.



"ifconfig" has to be run as root.
ric@iam:~$ sudo ifconfig
[sudo] password for ric:
enp8s0: flags=4163  mtu 1500
inet 192.168.0.3  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.0.255
inet6 fe80::16da:e9ff:fe09:4706  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
ether 14:da:e9:09:47:06  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
RX packets 6879  bytes 3709031 (3.7 MB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 6276  bytes 596404 (596.4 KB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
device interrupt 35  base 0x9000

lo: flags=73  mtu 65536
inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10
loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)
RX packets 88693  bytes 15355517 (15.3 MB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 88693  bytes 15355517 (15.3 MB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

ric@iam:~$




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Re: Mouse pointer _sometimes_ too big

[Ric Moore]

On 04/24/2017 11:19 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:


Mine will occasionally do something like this. In my case, it gives
the appearance it's switching back and forth between entire cursor
themes. Is there a chance that's actually what's going on here rather
than it "just" being about pixel size?

Mine is occurring on occasional occasion in debootstrap'ed Debian
Stretch and also did so in Sid. AND I'm using Xfce4..


XFCE is FAMOUS for this behavior in that it never gets fixed. I have 
both Debian and Ubuntu installed and both have the exact same flipping 
behavior of mouse themes. Here's a bug report against that from 2007: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/157447
Sure would be nice for the mouse cursor to be stable after when first 
set. Ric


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Re: funny times

[Ric Moore]

On 04/23/2017 09:33 PM, songbird wrote:

  when my computer is turned off the clock
runs slow.

  when my computer is turned on the clock
runs fast.

  so any single adjustment in /etc/adjtime
doesn't work (as my number of hours off or
on the computer each day may change).


You may have reached level 7, where time and space no longer are 
relative to your construct of reality. Then you have reached level 7. To 
test this, use a level 6 exercise where you peer at a distant person, 
between a thumb and forefinger, and close those fingers to squash their 
head like a grape. When you open your fingers again, they will be 
miraculously restored. If you can do this, you may truly be a level 7. 
Level 8 awaits next where you will be able to channel Legba, the Lua of 
Digital Highways and Keeper of USB Keys. Keep in mind that Legba likes 
gifts of strong drink and tobacco. Please do no harm, only good, with 
your new Computer Voodoo powers. :) Ti-Jean-Petro (channeled by Ric)


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Re: Mouse pointer _sometimes_ too big

[Ric Moore]

On 04/22/2017 03:53 PM, Andreas Ronnquist wrote:


This is on Xfce, Debian stable with some backports (Kernel and Nvidia
drivers), Geforce 1070 graphics card, two monitors connected, 2560x1440
+ 1920x1200.

My Xfce Mouse & pointer settings has pointer size set to 16, and Xfce
DPI is set to 96.

Where should I start to look for problems?


Does the cursor increase in size from one monitor to the next?? Ric

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Re: RTL8111 Networking Drivers

[Ric Moore]

On 04/17/2017 11:04 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

L'octidi 28 germinal, an CCXXV, GiaThnYgeia a écrit :

Don't expect "Debian" to respond to you, it is like talking to the Borg


You realize Debian is not a person, right?


Anyone remember Karl?? :)  Ric


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Re: RTL8111 Networking Drivers

[Ric Moore]

On 04/17/2017 11:01 AM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:


My mistakes, Lizi, are an irrelevant issue to this observation but no
matter what you say and I say neither is speaking as Debian.  The
hypocritical BORG has no voice on the matter!


No, you are not on the same level of Lizi. Lizi has been a faithful 
participant and respondent for years here, full of knowledge and good 
advice. Lizi is representative of the Debian way, admired by many. You 
are recent to this list and noisy. Now you are a top-poster. I have you 
kill-filed now. Ric



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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Ric Moore]

On 04/12/2017 06:42 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:


Why don't you try ubuntu and tell us what it is like.  Do I strike you
like a person needing to hold hands with anyone?


From your posts, yes. VERY much so.

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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Ric Moore]

On 04/12/2017 04:27 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote:


Here's a data point: having dealt with the vagaries and shortcomings of
SysV init professionally, I *like* systemd, even if it has a few warts.

Mart


I am going out on a limb here, but here goes, as I put on my "Amazing 
Kreskin predicts" hat.


The Amazing Kreskin PREDICTS!

1.) Pottering will adopt the word "tendrils" into his systemD schema. It 
has already been convicted of having tendrils, so now it will have them 
for real. Lennart will laugh and laugh.


2.) One he adopts tendrils, with the newer cpu's with many cores, a 
super desktop will be treated as a "cluster" with systemd administering 
processes between cpu and cuda cores in parallel in unison. Oh happy day.


3.) Then the "tendrils" snake out to the localnet of the average Jane 
and Joe Lunchbucket household, and all of the laptops, tablets and other 
desktops can share Network Attached Storage (NAS), spare cpu/cuda 
resources, and utilize every pretty new shiny piece of kit that Dad 
wants, to put the digital pedal to the digital metal. Fiber network and 
super wifi within the house, more memory for the cluster machine, 
upgrades of hardware for everyone! Kid comes home, the "tendrils" snatch 
into his wifi signal as he walks into the door, syncs it up and VAROOM!! 
He can flood the NAS, at very high speeds, with all of his junk. The 
tendrils snake into all of the Internet aware appliances and you become 
spammed by your refrigerator with shopping lists.


4.) Skynet becomes a real possibility. Tendrils everywhere.


If we're going to have a Skynet, it ought to be running Linux.

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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Ric Moore]

On 04/12/2017 12:40 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:

David Wright:

Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?


If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution
that better suits you.


Are you mr.Debian?  Under what authority are you telling me to either
shut up or leave?  What makes you more Debian than me?  Why don't you
leave if you don't like criticism?



Simple, you are admittedly new. Perhaps it would be prudent to survey 
the issues, study up some and then ask ~good~ detailed questions. Then 
act on the resolutions provided you or answer with more details when 
requested. Linux has always been a "meritocracy". You earn your chops by 
being a productive member for a longish period of time, who consistently 
helps others with good solutions. You have done none of that. You might 
be better served using Ubuntu. Debian is admittedly more tricky and not 
really suited to someone new. Ubuntu might serve your needs way better 
and their users are used to holding hands with a new fish. :) Ric



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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Ric Moore]

On 04/10/2017 09:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:


Does that mean systemd is the ideal replacement?  No.  Systemd has these
overreaching tendrils in places it's got no business sticking tendrils.
Why does it have its own ntp daemon?  Why does it implement file system
automount behavior?  These things already exist as userspace processes.
Mature, trusted userspace processes, sometimes with multiple competing
alternatives already.

But then on the other hand, what else would you use instead of systemd?
Nobody has proposed a superior alternative yet, that I've seen.

So, IMHO, the best thing to do is to use systemd, but don't use any of
its optional intrusive tendrils.  Other people have other opinions, and
that's awesome.  A healthy, vigorous competitive environment benefits
all of us.


If and when you start to manage a cluster, the need for those "tendrils" 
become apparent. You will need autostart and auto-restart features close 
to kernel level processes on node failures. SystemD seems to foot that 
bill. Ric


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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Ric Moore]

On 04/08/2017 01:06 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:


'They' never told us, owners of single user laptops, why we should chose
it.


Simple, as I see it, single user laptop support doesn't pay the bills. 
Neither do Desktops. Ubuntu found that one out, for all of their user 
friendly features. When Red Hat broke the billion dollar amount for a 
single year of support services to big iron, everyone else salivated. 
The decision to switch to SystemD is simple ...Docker, clusters and "The 
Cloud", where the big dollars roam.




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Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

[Ric Moore]

On 04/01/2017 05:41 AM, Sharon Kimble wrote:

Ric Moore <wayward4...@gmail.com> writes:


On 03/31/2017 02:56 PM, Sharon Kimble wrote:


How can I get sound continuously with mpd and mpv without the card being
seemingly dropped please?


Are you using pulseaudio and have you installed pavucontrol?? Run alsamixer, 
make sure your
soundcard is not muted and the sound level up to 80% or better. What are you 
using to provide
speakers? Switched on/plugged in?? Desktop or Laptop? Speakers external 
(powered or not powered) or
internal? Unless you have some speaker-out/audio-out issue, where it doesn't 
sense/switch correctly
when you have only one audio jack. you >should< have audio. If we can't get it 
fixed, get a USB
sound device. But, let's try to fix first. Ric


Thanks for replying Ric.

And thank you, thank you, thank you! I hadn't got 'pavucontrol'
installed, soon remedied, but I've now got sound back through it!

I'd always thought that I was using ALSA, but apparently not. But
'pavucontrol' is the missing link in my sound setup.

But to answer your general questions, *all* sound goes through my
headphones, and its a desktop machine, even though the machine is
actually sitting under my desk :). And the only speakers are my
headphones.


Great! The deal is that pulse sits on top of alsa. If alsa not workie, 
pulse is dead in the water. So, as a general rule, use alsamixer first 
to see if something is muted. If so, unmute it and set sound to about 80%.
THEN use pavucontrol to finish your sound setup. That was all you 
needed. What blows my mind is why this happens so frequently and 
pavucontrol is not a "depend" on pulseaudio. Your problem occurs 
frequently without pavucontrol being automagically installed to use. 
Glad to be of assistance! Ric



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Re: why??why?why??

[Ric Moore]

On 03/12/2017 07:49 AM, Reco wrote:

Hi.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:15:02 -0400
Ric Moore <wayward4...@gmail.com> wrote:


On 03/12/2017 04:57 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 02:09:22AM +, Shahryar Afifi wrote:


why o why...
why debian keeps getting fancier like other operating system.
debian is a linux machine, not some toy like apple.
we dont need gnome 3 taking too much ram, in fact we dont need any graphical 
runtime.
they dont wanna support  the poor wheezy for what ??? and why ??
its the most stable OS ever.. thats why they called it old stable.
why cant i add libpam-fprindt 1:0.5 to my wheezy so i can run my fingerprint ??
why nautilus in jessie is so fancy ??
when i work on my wheezy, everything is just right even when they say "its init and 
PID runs one by one" so what.. its a computer and should look like and act like a 
computer.
i dont wanna give up my reliability to some fancy mancy..
:(

SH.A



This is yet another of those threads where the OP never returns after
dropping their troll bomb... the only why oh why here is why oh why do
we collectively never learn not to feed the trolls...

+1
Since when do we reply to stupid subject lines?? It just encourages
those who use the word "wanna" to express a malformed topic. Ric


Please have a little decency, Ric. English is not everyone's mother
tongue and small Friday trolling is a venerable custom on this list.


Since when?? It certainly isn't "venerable". Ric
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Re: why??why?why??

[Ric Moore]

On 03/12/2017 04:57 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 02:09:22AM +, Shahryar Afifi wrote:


why o why...
why debian keeps getting fancier like other operating system.
debian is a linux machine, not some toy like apple.
we dont need gnome 3 taking too much ram, in fact we dont need any graphical 
runtime.
they dont wanna support  the poor wheezy for what ??? and why ??
its the most stable OS ever.. thats why they called it old stable.
why cant i add libpam-fprindt 1:0.5 to my wheezy so i can run my fingerprint ??
why nautilus in jessie is so fancy ??
when i work on my wheezy, everything is just right even when they say "its init and 
PID runs one by one" so what.. its a computer and should look like and act like a 
computer.
i dont wanna give up my reliability to some fancy mancy..
:(

SH.A



This is yet another of those threads where the OP never returns after
dropping their troll bomb... the only why oh why here is why oh why do
we collectively never learn not to feed the trolls...

+1
Since when do we reply to stupid subject lines?? It just encourages 
those who use the word "wanna" to express a malformed topic. Ric



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Re: No sound-inputs but sound recording FMIT

[Ric Moore]

On 03/03/2017 08:53 AM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
 I plugged

then in to 3 different machines, downloaded FMIT and run it.  Similar
results.


Is it in the repos?? Ric


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Re: CD Audio - sometimes provided as vfs by the kernel?

[Ric Moore]

On 03/02/2017 11:30 AM, Dominik George wrote:

Hi,

I just tried to tip an audio CD, like I did hundreds of times before. I
tried to run ripit, and it complained that there was no audio CD
inserted.

Taking a closer look, I found that the drive was unexpectedly provided
as a USB mass storage device as /dev/sdc, with a partition containing a
FAT filesystem and RIFF audio / WAV files.

Now, I am using a USB CD-ROM drive, and eventually found out that, usng
the USB port on the *right* hand side of my laptop, I get thie virtual
mass storage device, and using the USB port on the *left* hand side, I
get a /dev/sr0 device I can read CDDA from, as usual.

I am running Debian sid with kernel 4.9.0-2 on amd64.

I never saw the Linux kernel do something like this. Does anyone know
since when, and under what circumstances, it does that, how I can
control it, and why it depends on the USB port used?



You might check your user manual to see if one side is USB 2.0 and the 
other USB 3.0. That might make a difference. Ric



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Re: Secure Boot won't let boot into Debian

[Ric Moore]

On 02/23/2017 11:50 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all.

I frehly installed Debian Sid in dual boot with Windows 10 on my brand new
Lenovo desktop pc but it won't boot into Debian system I suspect because of the
new Secure Boot policy.  I want to disable it but the problem is that there's
no Secure Boot option anywhere in its Bios.  In fact, in the Security submenu,
there are only the options for administrator and power-on password setting.

What do you suggest me to do?


Are you totally sure it's a Secure Boot issue? What exactly happens at
boot? Does it just boot straight into the Windows installation? Have
you managed to install Debian, or will it just not boot the installer?

If you go into the BIOS/firmware config program, does that show you a
list of boot options including Windows?


I just installed a new ASUS motherboard and the bootup screen proclaims 
UEFI. I had plugged back in my two harddrives with Debian and Ubuntu 
installed. No sweat! Nothing different happened. I am clueless, but it 
works. Ric



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Re: HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors?

[Ric Moore]

On 02/09/2017 12:13 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:


You shared your philosophy ("tear it all down and rebuild it from scratch
every two years")


I don't know where you got this. The OP was having one helluva time with 
a harddrive. I suggested that he create a partition to store his 
personal files "more safely" as /opt, when he did a partition, format 
and re-install to the new drive. After he could mount the failing drive 
and copy as many personal files as he could salvage to the new 
/opt/ install. Then, if the need arises, a re-install is 
relatively painless. I have never exposed wipe and re-install every two 
years. That would be stupid. The decision to upgrade is purely a 
personal one, driven either by choice or necessity.



and I shared mine ("keep everything unchanged until
you are forced to change it").



A dying harddrive will drive change, don't you think??


Neither one is right, and neither one
is wrong.  I just wanted both viewpoints to be equally represented.



"Viewpoints", as in politics, do not remedy a failing drive nor the 
rescue of it's contents. That was the reason the OP posted. Please keep 
his needs in mind. Ric



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Re: HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors?

[Ric Moore]

On 02/09/2017 08:10 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:

Careful there, I would not copy any of the /home/username/dot-files or
dot directories over, except like .mozilla and .thunderbird, so you
don't carry over some old and crufty setting that might have been
problematic.


I have the exact opposite philosophy.  My home directory has survived
across many, many different operating systems and computers.


How so?? Don't "many other operating systems" have different 
configuration files in many other locations?? I wouldn't expect BSD 
config files to migrate to Linux, or Windows to do anything useful.




If a
new version of some app breaks compatibility with a dot file, which
is rare, then I'll handle that on a case by case basis.


...and that is you. I suspect that in this case that the OP doesn't wish 
anything to jump up and bite his behind. And, you seem to be able to 
deal with things on a case by case level, but just maybe the OP cannot. 
Ergo, some discretion is in order ...unless you are willing to provide 
life support in person.



Otherwise,
I get to keep all of my comfortable settings.


True, true. But, we're now talking about your comfort level, with 
successful builds, and not his. Some empathy is always a good thing, 
especially when it comes to tech support advice. :) Ric



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Re: HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors?

[Ric Moore]

On 02/08/2017 04:38 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote:

On 02/08/2017 01:26 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 02/08/2017 02:37 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:

How it went is not well.  I tested the new drive with SeagateTools and
it was fine.  Then I made a clonezilla live CD and booted from it.  It
stopped on the first read error with a message saying to restart using
the rescue option.  I did that.  After 5 hours it finished without
mentioning any errors.

I tried to boot to the old disk (since it was still wired that way).  I
got dropped int a maintenance shell with fs errors in /dev/sda4 which is
the physical volume for all my LVM logical volumes -- /usr, /var, /home
and /temp.  It says to run fsck manually.

I decided to try the new drive, so I changed the cables and re-booted.

Maintenance shell, again.

/ mounted clean

lvm started

/home fs has errors run fsck (at this point, I'm afraid to try it)

/var, /usr, and /tmp all say that the superblock can not be read, or is
invalid.  Try running

e2fsck -b 8193 
or
e2fsck -b 32768 

Which do I use?

How did trying to clone the disk nake such a mess of BOTH disks?



You cloned a mess, you got a perfect copy. I'd do a clean install to
the new drive, after formatting the entire drive. Once you boot into
that drive, mount the old drive. It should show up in /media/
Then copy the directories of personal stuff you want to keep to a new
location on the new drive. I use cp -raf 
 and everything, including sub-directories, file
ownership and file permissions are preserved. If a file is clunky, it
won't copy it and should proceed.

Next, if you are in your office, observe if the window is open. If
yes, throw the old drive out of it. :) Ric



Ric,


As soon as I finished my last post (above) I realized that what you
suggest is exactly what I should have done in the first place.  Why I
did not realize that earlier (and save myself a lot of headaches) I do
not know.  The system is now booting to the old drive, just as it did
before.  I think it just needed a good night's sleep.  I know that I did.

My next steps are:

Format new drive

Install fresh on new drive

Mount and copy /home from old drive to new drive


Careful there, I would not copy any of the /home/username/dot-files or 
dot directories over, except like .mozilla and .thunderbird, so you 
don't carry over some old and crufty setting that might have been 
problematic. To spare you nightmares like this one, I use the /opt 
directory on a separate partition for all of my personal data.
So, I use /opt/ric/Documents and in my brand-new /home/ric directory I 
delete the newly created Documents directory and then link (ln -s 
/opt/ric/Documents Documents) and do the same with the other familiar 
home directories like Videos, Music, Downloads, everything except 
Desktop. If something goes ape, systemk-wise, you can do a fresh install 
of / (root) directory and leave /opt alone. I've done this since the old 
Caldera days. Nary a burp in the barrel! Ric




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