Re: hypercard like program
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 06:21:15PM -0600, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: It occurs to me that one thing I haven't seen is a hypercard-like program. I don't need anything fancy; the features of the original release would be more than enough (aside from taking over my whole screen :) Basically, a free-form database, with the notion of a backround that cards can share defining fields buttons, and light scripting ability. It's the one thing I really miss from my mac days (ok, and fonts were much easier to deal with than convincing tex to use them :) hmm, maybe i should buy executor and just run hypercard :) That seesm excessive :) Just get xgs working and get the Apple IIGS Hypercard (which is a free download now) The GS was better than the Mac anyway :) (I never owned a mac) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. -- Max Planck
Re: xfstt + xset
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 02:06:33AM +, Gossamer wrote: I've just installed xfstt and a bunch of truetype fonts. When I run 'xfstt --sync' it works fine, and startind the daemon from the /etc/init.d/xfstt script works. But I can't get the server to talk to it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai ps aux | grep xfstt root 227 7.4 1.3 1332 520 ? S12:53 0:50 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai xset fp+ unix:/7101 xset: bad font path element (#38), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax Any ideas? Ok well...as xfstt maintainer I have to say I have never seen this before :) Usually if there is a problem...xfstt wont even run. ok found the problem :) xset fp+ unix:/7101 --- wrong :) try: xset +fp unix/:7101 Whjew...you had me scared for a bit :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ Society prepares the crime; the criminal commits it. -- Henry Thomas Buckle
Re: xfstt + xset
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 12:07:05AM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: Use ps aux to check that xfstt is actually running. I've encountered a wierd problem today that xfstt by itself works, but xfstt --daemon does not. Very strange - it worked yesterday. I don't think I've changed anything important. Anyone got a similar problem ? Wow someone already using -daemon option (I added it and rushed it in to the upstream author very shortly before releace :) ) anyway...it is -daemon NOT --daemon yes this is counter-intuitive to the way MANY programs work but... ALL o fth eother xfstt options use only 1 '-' and ALL are long options. I just followed the convention the author used. Try it an let me know. -Steve Sergey. On 3 Nov 1998, Gossamer wrote: I've just installed xfstt and a bunch of truetype fonts. When I run 'xfstt --sync' it works fine, and startind the daemon from the /etc/init.d/xfstt script works. But I can't get the server to talk to it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai ps aux | grep xfstt root 227 7.4 1.3 1332 520 ? S12:53 0:50 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai xset fp+ unix:/7101 xset: bad font path element (#38), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax Any ideas? bekj -- : --Neophilic-Hacker-Grrl-Geek-Eclectic-Gay-Disabled-Boychick-- : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service, : which failed to start because of the following error: The : operation completed successfully. -- Windows NT Server v3.51 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle pgpxgXhmhjIvW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xfstt + xset
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 10:32:47PM +0800, Richard L. Alhama wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: Ok well...as xfstt maintainer I have to say I have never seen this before :) Usually if there is a problem...xfstt wont even run. ok found the problem :) xset fp+ unix:/7101 --- wrong :) try: xset +fp unix/:7101 Whjew...you had me scared for a bit :) Now that xfstt is tackled on this thread, why can't I see any TTfonts when I run an xsession? I have copied some TTfonts on /var/ttfonts/, xfstt is running as a daemon tho' I have to manually enter the entries into /etc/rc?.d. Doesn't the dpkg install script do this? $ps ax |grep xfstt 142 ? S0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt --port 7101 What else do I need to do Steph? Well for starters, put the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype not /var/ttfonts. (unless you are using the hamm version...then you are right :)) The script SHOULD (last time I looked does) install the rc.d links for the init.d script...are you SURE it doesn't? If not the proper way to add them (which the deb file is suposed to do) is update-rc.d xfstt defaults Do you mean you need to manually enter the font path every time you start X? if that is the problem then I suggest the following: edit /etc/X11/Xf86config and add to the fontpaths: FontPath unix/:7101 -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ Drug War Fact: Nearly every 49 seconds someone is arrested for a marijuana offense in the United States. Aproximatly 85% of these are for simple possesion.
Re: xfstt + xset
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 11:39:43AM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 12:07:05AM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: Use ps aux to check that xfstt is actually running. I've encountered a wierd problem today that xfstt by itself works, but xfstt --daemon does not. Very strange - it worked yesterday. I don't think I've changed anything important. Anyone got a similar problem ? Wow someone already using -daemon option (I added it and rushed it in to the upstream author very shortly before releace :) ) anyway...it is -daemon NOT --daemon yes this is counter-intuitive to the way MANY programs work but... ALL o fth eother xfstt options use only 1 '-' and ALL are long options. I just followed the convention the author used. Try it an let me know. I am using xfstt 0.9.10-1 and the --daemon option is actually part of /etc/init.d/xfstt script, I don't use it manually. On the attempt to issue only one dash -daemon it complains of the wrong syntax. The problem is that starting xfstt manually works fine, but starting it from init.d does not. Neither does xfstt --daemon. And I'm not sure what's wrong. Ok first things first...install xfstt here at work (I have an old version on this machine). Weird...I am having problems with this... ok now it is installing :) ok I was wrong (d'ho) it IS --daemon (and all theother optuions use -- too ) ok...are you running it as root? if it is run as a normal user it fails (I believe specifically it needs write acess to something but...I need to look ;)) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable -- Louis D. Brandeis
Re: xfstt + xset
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 12:11:20PM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: Even more wierd: I have a server and a client, the client mounts /usr via nfs from server; /var is local, the rest is syncronized via cfengine. /etc/init.d/xfstt start works on the server, does not on the client. Just xfstt works everywhere. Any idea what the so subtle difference between these machines might be? Ahhh well this si a FIXME of sorts) :) xfstt currently requires write acess to a font database it stores (which by all rights should be in /var) as it stands this is in the same directory as the fonts... this same thing happens when you run xfstt as a normal user. With NFS on you probably have root_squash on (which is the default) so root on the client can not write tot he database! sorry for the inconvinece...I should work on this! any ideas on where the font database should be? -Steve On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 12:07:05AM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: Use ps aux to check that xfstt is actually running. I've encountered a wierd problem today that xfstt by itself works, but xfstt --daemon does not. Very strange - it worked yesterday. I don't think I've changed anything important. Anyone got a similar problem ? Wow someone already using -daemon option (I added it and rushed it in to the upstream author very shortly before releace :) ) anyway...it is -daemon NOT --daemon yes this is counter-intuitive to the way MANY programs work but... ALL o fth eother xfstt options use only 1 '-' and ALL are long options. I just followed the convention the author used. Try it an let me know. -Steve Sergey. On 3 Nov 1998, Gossamer wrote: I've just installed xfstt and a bunch of truetype fonts. When I run 'xfstt --sync' it works fine, and startind the daemon from the /etc/init.d/xfstt script works. But I can't get the server to talk to it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai ps aux | grep xfstt root 227 7.4 1.3 1332 520 ? S12:53 0:50 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/cs3/ai xset fp+ unix:/7101 xset: bad font path element (#38), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax Any ideas? bekj -- : --Neophilic-Hacker-Grrl-Geek-Eclectic-Gay-Disabled-Boychick-- : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service, : which failed to start because of the following error: The : operation completed successfully. -- Windows NT Server v3.51 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable -- Louis D. Brandeis
xfstt font database should be in /var
Package: xfstt Version: 0.9.10-1 Ok I am opening a bug report on this now..mostly as a note to myself to fix it the fix should be easy :) ill move it to /var/cache/xfstt unless anyone has a more apropriate idea -Steve On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 01:04:13PM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 12:11:20PM -0500, Sergey V Kovalyov wrote: Even more wierd: I have a server and a client, the client mounts /usr via nfs from server; /var is local, the rest is syncronized via cfengine. /etc/init.d/xfstt start works on the server, does not on the client. Just xfstt works everywhere. Any idea what the so subtle difference between these machines might be? Ahhh well this si a FIXME of sorts) :) xfstt currently requires write acess to a font database it stores (which by all rights should be in /var) as it stands this is in the same directory as the fonts... Yep, I've just come to the same conclusion. And you can guess I mount /usr ro. this same thing happens when you run xfstt as a normal user. With NFS on you probably have root_squash on (which is the default) so root on the client can not write tot he database! sorry for the inconvinece...I should work on this! any ideas on where the font database should be? How about /var/cache/xfstt ? Sergey. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ Mankind, The Public enemy's not the man who speaks his mind The Public enemy's the man who goes and acts blind -- Anthrax Keep it in the Fammily
Re: tar and the braindead man
On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 05:34:44AM -0800, Kenneth Scharf wrote: Close, but no cigar. syntax is: tar -cvf /dev/tapedevice /usr/thedirectory. To make a full backup I did: tar -cvf /dev/st0 / --exclude /dev --exclude /proc (my tape drive is a scsi rdat on /dev/st0) This command backed up everything, except the dev and proc directories. (I had some BAD things happen trying to access the devices as files, and you don't need to backup the /proc directory as it does NOT exist on the disk.) Don't leave your cd rom mounted for this or it will get backed up also, why waste 650MB of tape for something that can't be trashed?! here is how I do my full backups and it works GREAT tar clvf /dev/st0 / This uses -l which tells it to ONLY get things on the local device NB: if /home or anything is on a differnt partition then it needs to be explicitly added. This works well for me, excludes /proc and /cdrom etc Just thought I would pass it along ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson pgplHPbVSHlHy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: tar and the braindead man
On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 08:31:20AM -0600, Anthony Landreneau wrote:
Ok Kenneth,
I must be missing something here, other than my mind of course. This is
the requirment:
I have a tape with a tar file on it, lets call it thefile.tar . I need to
make two copies of that file, back on two other tapes. So I will have
three tapes with three identical copies of this tar file.
I got thefile.tar off of the original tape using
tar -xv ./thefile.tar -C /usr/thedirectorystore
With you so far :)
The tar file is now on the hard drive. Now I want to put it back onto
tape, gee, simple minded me thought
tar -cv ./thefile.tar -C /usr/thedirectorystore
Try
tar xvf ./thefile.tar /usr/thedirectorystore
(I am assumeing ./thefile.tar is actually /dev/st0 or some
other tape device??)
note: I leave off the '-' - tar is an ancient program and doesn't need them ;)
its just how I learned to use it ;)
Why don't you just do this (I am assuming /dev/st0 is your tape device...
if it isn't then substitute it for what I use here)
cp /dev/st0 thetarfile
{switch tapes}
cp thetarfile /dev/st0
{switch tapes}
cp thetarfile /dev/st0
I THINK that should work.
-Steve
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Re: conflicts in Debian Distributions
On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 09:38:46PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 11:05:42AM -0800, Kenneth Scharf wrote: The point Kenneth is making is true. However: You can't have two (or more) mail clients installed at the same time, ... There are at least half a dozen window managers in X for example, you can only use one. Here though all may be copied to the disk, but only one may be 'installed'. Both of these examples are bogus. You can have as many mail clients (mail user agents, MUA) installed as you want. [snip] The real problem is with system daemons. For example: you cannot run two different mail transfer agents (MTA) on one system simultaneously. But this is not a problem, as you don't want to run more than one MTA. remembering back to the original post which started this discussion the proposal was to have an Install everything. While the idea that conflicts can all be resolved and we can have NO conflicts is wrong, I think this would be doable. Why not just install every package that doesn't conflict with anything that has a higher priority? I think an option like that could be very usefull for someone who wants Everything. This could easily be made one of the Pre-selections at install time. I would agree however, that a good description of each package would help you decide what to install. Please tell me, what you would consider a good description! Feel free to pick some packages and rewrite their descriptions; you can post the results here (or to debian-devel, if you prefer) for public scrutiny. Also if a description is really bad... you are free to file a wishlist big against the package with an updated version of the description ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: stupid mistake: /usr/info/dir wiped out!
On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:38:29PM -0500, Ossama Othman wrote: Hi, I did something stupid. I accidentally erased all but the *.gz files in /usr/info. Could someone please tell me how I can bring my /usr/info directory to a consistent state? I was intending to just erase the uncompressed info files but forgot about the 'dir' file. man install-info(8) hmm looks like maybe install-info -- * should do it -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: /etc/shutmsg - a suggestion?
On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 11:11:31AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi all, the ftpshut command shutdowns the wu-ftpd service (not the process) by writting in /etc/shutmsg, the question is If this directory is mounted readonly it will fail, I think is a common practice to have /etc readonly when an installation is stable (no more software updates, etc) to avoid hard disk corruption in one of the most important system directories... Well from the fsstnd: Summarizing chart with examples: +-+-+-+ | | shareable | unshareable | +-+-+-+ |static | /usr| /etc| | | /home | /boot | +-+-+-+ |variable | /var/spool/mail | /var/run| | | /var/spool/news | /var/lock | +-+-+-+ That tends to imply that /etc could be mounted read-only. however... mtab is writeable and needs to be? hmmm (that is mentioned in the fsstnd also)... Should this be written to /var/something? I tend to agreehaving read the fsstnd, I tend to think mtab should be moved there as well. It seems to be the intention of it to move (ideally) everything which NEEDS to be writable for the system to function to /var I find it curious that this was not also moved. Also to be noted that /etc contains files (like fstab) which are NEEDED for boot and to even mount other file systems...so it MUST be part of the root partition and can not be on a partition of its own (unless...it existed and had enough files to boot...then got overlayed with a larger partition...seems to defeat the purpose though) and teh root partition must be mounted read-write. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Appletalk/IP
On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 11:19:41AM +0200, Robert Claeson wrote: Is anybody aware of whether it's possible to set up a Linux system to serve Appleshare over IP, as in Apple's Appleshare IP? I am inclined to belkieve netatalk can do it. I am running and have been runnign a netatalk server here at work and a couple of times went to a macintosh and hit connect to server IP and put in my IP adress and it worked ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: /etc/shutmsg - a suggestion?
On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 03:23:10PM +0100, David Wright wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 11:11:31AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If this directory is mounted readonly it will fail, I think is a common practice to have /etc readonly when an installation is stable (no more software updates, etc) to avoid hard disk corruption in one of the most important system directories... [...] That tends to imply that /etc could be mounted read-only. however... mtab is writeable and needs to be? hmmm (that is mentioned in the fsstnd also)... Should this be written to /var/something? I tend to agreehaving read the fsstnd, I tend to think mtab should be moved there as well. It seems to be the intention of it to move (ideally) everything which NEEDS to be writable for the system to function to /var Wouldn't it work if /etc/mtab were a link to, say, /var/[...]/mtab (and there's also /etc/rmtab). hmm...from the mount(8) man page: The programs mount and umount maintain a list of currently mounted file systems in the file /etc/mtab. If no argu- ments are given to mount, this list is printed. When the proc filesystem is mounted (say at /proc), the files /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts have very similar contents. The former has somewhat more information, such as the mount options used, but is not necessarily up-to-date (cf. the -n option below). It is possible to replace /etc/mtab by a symbolic link to /proc/mounts, but some information is lost that way, and in particular working with the loop device will be less convenient. of course...having this extra information is nice...but I see not reason not to put mtab in /var under that case... /var/state/mtab (or somethin like that) hmm rmtab just lists nfs mountable file systemsthat sounds like a /var/state one too... I find it curious that this was not also moved. Also to be noted that /etc contains files (like fstab) which are NEEDED for boot and to even mount other file systems...so it MUST be part of the root partition and can not be on a partition of its own (unless...it existed and had enough files to boot...then got overlayed with a larger partition...seems to defeat the purpose though) Well, not if the purpose is a read-only /etc partition. Hey, what about /setc and /etc like /sbin and /bin ! since rmtab and mtab serve such little purpose and can be moved...I see no reason not to do so (and maybe sym link from /etc/mtab to var...until such time as it can be properly patched) of course... /etc still needs to be part of the root filesystem for boot (init.d scripts.. inittabthat IS afterall how things get mounted) and teh root partition must be mounted read-write. Yes but not much changes there, does it? At boot time, /dev changed, /etc had motd and ioctl.save updated, and /proc was mounted. That's about it if you set up links for mounting floppies and so on (I don't). Perhaps this should bebrought up on the fsstnd lists (er FHS now) I believe there is a mailing list for it I definitly like the idea. I think the reason these are allowed is A) tradition and B) /etc HAS to be on the root filesystem...it can't be a seprate read-only partition. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Base2_0.tgz missing man command.
On Thu, Oct 22, 1998 at 12:04:16PM +, Jim wrote: Hi. I'm new to the group and to Linux. I have installed Debian on my 486 laptop from Dos with files from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/ and have found base2_0.tgz is missing the man executable file. Of course it is man is part of another package and isn't needed there [EMAIL PROTECTED] /partners]$dpkg -S `which man` man-db: /usr/bin/man get package man-db I have downloaded another copy of base2_0.tgz from ftp://ftp.dti.ad.jp/.1/Linux/debian/hamm/hamm/disks-i386/2.0.10_1998-07-17/base2_0.tgz and found that it too is missing the command files. I say they are missing because when I install the system the man command is not present on the drive. Also, when I unzip the files on my WIn95 machine Winzip encounters errors and cannot create the output file man(because ot's not there). Does anyone know of a package that includes these files? I have noticed a lot of commands are missing which I believe should be in the basic install. Also, my /proc directory is full of zero byte files. When I ran cat kmsg from /proc/ I noticed that kmsg is a zero byte file ( I do have ls -l and vdir) and that there are many zero byte files in this directory. Is this normal? yes... The base tgz file is NOT the Debian Minimal install... It is a system with JUST enough files to boot and install the rest of the system. You don't need man to install all the rest of the debian packages. Run dselect and install some packages. Then you will have a useable system. BTW I wrote a file which uses the base tgz as a base to make an X Terminal...I used it BECAUSE it was missing allot of commands and thus was suitable for such a system. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Unidentified subject!
Hope you don't mind... Out of my reply I have clipped a great many adresses. I would imagine Alan Cox and Linus Torvalds are very busy men and don't need my chatter :) - and the Debian-user list is the only one I am on that even seems mildly aprorpriate (btw sending it to multiple redhat adresses is kind of bad form IMHO) On Thu, Oct 22, 1998 at 12:11:40PM -0400, Clemmitt Sigler wrote: Hi, I don't mean to spam, but I am concerned. Please disregard as appropriate. I'll keep it short. I'm mainly just an end-user FWIW, I have no clout, no special programming skills, and little spare time. Ok...so your not volunteering to help work on it yourself? Development of USB and FireWire support is crucial to the future of Linux IMHO. I2O also springs to mind, and Intel may help with this. We've seen media coverage of these shortcomings just this week. Support of these areas by those who have the resources (read Red Hat most especially) would be a tremendous contribution to the Linux community. Please consider this. I have a feeling you will find most of this is already being worked on in one way or another. Have you researched these (I havn't I must admit) but...there seem to be linux projects for everything else under the sun (and even On SUNs ;) )? How far along is current work in the area? If you want people to help... you could at least provide a pointer for where to get started ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Thanks! Re: Removing ^M in files--in bulk?
On Tue, Oct 20, 1998 at 09:52:38PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Thanks for the quick replies, people. Now I get to play with several approaches. Are there any good books (starting at a basic level working up) for things like this? Perl seems to be a hot thing for Linux (as well as shell programming/scripting). While it will take me a while to get up the curve, it would be nice to have so good refernces around. Well... Any GOOD book on Unix in general will be a great help in running a linux system. Just remember that some of the commands may be slightly differnt (ie take what you read with a grain of salt and if it doesn't work as expected check man command_name against th ebook ;) ) There are a few Linux books out there now... Learn Linux in 24 Hours comes to mind (its broken up into 24 lessons...I got the UNIX version of the same book for my father a while back (before the Linux version existed). There is a book on debian..and i hear it is updated for 2.0 (dunno if its releaced yet and I havn't read either one). RedHat published a book with ALL of the man pages they could get in one big paperback volume. There are of course differences between Debian and RedHat too but...it can be helpfull at 3 am when you NEED paper docs cuz your eyes are about to burst. (or the system is royally AFU ;) ) In general the best documentation I have found is probably already on your system...check out /usr/doc/HOWTO - great stuff in there! Perl is great...but I wouldn't recommend it as a first language ;) It isgreat but...a bit twisted. It makes a nice tool to write fast an efficient programs...but hardly good for learning fundamentals ;) even a good perl program tends to look as much like line noise as anything else. of course the best way to learn is to have no fear of screwing it up :) remember that (aside from loosing data) the worst that can happen from screwing the entire system up is that you get REALLY good at re-installing it :) (well ok..it ruins your uptime too...but so do power outages) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Hiding a Linux computer
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 01:35:49PM -0800, Hogland, Thomas E. wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:01:59PM +0200, Rainer Clasen wrote: [snip] = try putting a send host-name statement in your dhclient.conf (see man 5 = dhclient.conf for details) = = I'd like to not even use the dhcp server but I think that would mean I'd = have to setup the Linux machine to be a DNS server wouldn't it? = = No! Not using dhcp means guessing a free IP - or better getting a real staic = one. = = I don't = know what that would do to the rest of the machines on our network, I = can't be messing them up or else I'll be in hot water. = = You can mess at least one box on your net - if you use the same IP as it. = = =Well if your network works like oursno problem :) = =Someone takes an IP no problem =DHCP server gives out that IP...and the unsuspecting user gets an IP =adress conflict. = =They call the helpdesk...helpdesk calls net eng... that adress is =taken out of the DHCP pool and put on the exclude list. = =-Steve ...Or it works like the helpdesk I work on: Someone grabs an IP address, DHCP gives out that address, user gets an IP conflict. User calls us, we call net eng, who bounces the static address and leases it to the DHCP user. Static user calls us, we ask them why they're screwing up the network. They complain, we offer to remove the computer from their desk and give it to someone who has a little less free time on their hands :-)... Well... I work at a hospital... ther eis no telling what the person using the IP was doing (plus...its always possible they don't even know what an IP is and it may not even be their fault). Someone migh thave to answer for something if Net Eng compromised patient care just to smite a user and teach someone a lesson. besides... half the machines are Macs using dynamic adressing in MacTCP (which is NOT dhcp)...so they get an error...then it steals a new IP...90% of the time they wont even call the Help Desk SOon everyone will be on Catalyst 5000 Switches... then we can really track them down :) (Being on the Win95/MSOffice support team can really give you a crappy outlook on life...) esp when Outlook sucks as much as it does! (I had a user specifically ask me to have their new Outlook acount removed and to put them back on Helix (unix) e-mail) In any case..thats why I (the only Macintosh Tech Supporter in our team) am hopeing to get out of this line of work and into one where I can use Unix systems all day long. (Another person in a shop that keeps saying, We can't use Linux - there's no company to hold responsible if there's problems.) Bah...Chances are its your own fault anyway... besides...just blame it all on Network VooDoo and those Gremlins in the closet! -Steve who is amazed that anyone thinks the ability to get support for an OS is more important than having the OS actually work -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpKcFfcv10N6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help! FAT magic number corrupted!
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:07:14AM -0400, me wrote: Hi all--- I'm new to Linux, and in the process of hacking cluelessly with my hard-drive setup I've managed to trash some vital part of my hard drive. Here's the general setup: /dev/hda1 (~100MB) Win95, formerly bootable, formerly DOS /dev/hda2 (~16MB) linux swap /dev/hda3 (~200mb) linux main: bootable, mounted as / /dev/hda4 (0) /dev/hda5 (~75mb) linux /var /dev/hda6 (~250mb) linux /usr a few days ago, i was hacking on something (LILO?), and flipped the bootable flag on /dev/hda1 to OFF. I also changed /dev/hda1 from a DOS partition to a Win95 FAT16 LBA partition, not thinking that this might pose a problem. (/dev/hda1 has win95 loaded on it, but I corrupted all the long filenames when I was repartitioning it. when it was labeled as a DOS partition, I could get into it using linux.) cfdisk returned an error as it was trying to write; silly me, i didn't write down what it said, but i figured nothing was seriously wrong. I rebooted. when I rebooted, I got an error: Kernel Panic: [something to the effect of, this drive's f*ed up] 03:01 MORAL NEVER play with the partitions on a system without making a backup! /MORAL MORAL2 Always mount a scratch monkey /MORAL2 (yes I read the jargon file too much) Have you tried looking at it in normal fdisk? How AFU is the partition table? I looked around and found a rootboot disk on the net (tomsrtbt), dutifully created it using another computer, and booted from a floppy. (My Debian rootboot disk wasn't working, still isn't, dunno why. sigh) Using a boot floppy, I can mount and read /dev/hda3 just fine, but I can't seem to run any of the binaries on it. (for example, cfdisk). I can't get into /dev/hda1 at all. tomsrtbt is a GREAT disk but...alas it is libc5 and thusly can't run glibc binaries (libc6). try cd'ing to the directory where /dev/hda3 is mounted and chroot . bash this SHOULD give you a shell that can run those binaries. (and its bash too ;)) So: is there a way to fix the hard drive, and /dev/hda1, without losing significant amounts of data? If so, what is it? have you tried fsck? I would recommend trying fdisk and seeing what it says...also writting down every error message ;) (btw tomsrtbt should have fdisk) As for the Win95 system... you will probablky need to re-install -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Format of .deb files
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 12:06:25PM +0100, Moore, Paul wrote: I am trying to get to grips with Debian, and I'd like to browse through the documentation. The problem I have is that my Debian PC is at one home, whereas the PC where I have the most chance to read documentation, print things out, follow up references, etc, is at work. My current work PC is Windows only [:-(] but it does have a CD drive and I have the Debian CDs. I guess your home PC can't be acessed from work (ie having it online) too bad...I need to set mine up (one of these days) to let me tell it to conenct remotely. My question is, basically, can I extract files from .deb format packages on a Windows box? Presumably, .deb files are internally some form of tar/cpio archive - can I get at the tar so that I can unpack it (I have Windows gzip, tar, etc utilities). thay are... ar is the top level used... user ar to extract that and there will be a couple of control files and a .tar.gz Winzip should be able to take it from there. If not, is there any other way I can browse the documentation (/usr/doc, /usr/man, /usr/info) for debian while not actually at a PC with debian running? Is it available on the web? hmm well... with dwww there is an entire web interface to documentation I don't know if anyone has dww publicly available for browseing -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Hiding a linux computer
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:01:59PM +0200, Rainer Clasen wrote: Hi! Jeremy Blonde ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): However a few problems arise. They are using dhcp, which I can work with (I get the ip address and can hit all the servers, etc.), but this also leaves a record in the dhcp ip address listing in this format: ipaddress hostname mac address The Linux machine shows up like this: X.X.X.X (null) XX:XX:XX:XX:XX While NT machines show up with an actual hostname not null. try putting a send host-name statement in your dhclient.conf (see man 5 dhclient.conf for details) I'd like to not even use the dhcp server but I think that would mean I'd have to setup the Linux machine to be a DNS server wouldn't it? No! Not using dhcp means guessing a free IP - or better getting a real staic one. I don't know what that would do to the rest of the machines on our network, I can't be messing them up or else I'll be in hot water. You can mess at least one box on your net - if you use the same IP as it. Well if your network works like oursno problem :) Someone takes an IP no problem DHCP server gives out that IP...and the unsuspecting user gets an IP adress conflict. They call the helpdesk...helpdesk calls net eng... that adress is taken out of the DHCP pool and put on the exclude list. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Root password security
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:36:13PM +, Thomas Lakofski wrote: Physical security of the box in question is the only real measure you can take (lock it in a box). Failing this, get a machine (some newer Compaq workstations have this) that lets you restrict floppy booting with BIOS and has a software case-lock. It's hard to suggest any other measures other than physical security -- if you take out the floppy, someone can always put one in... but you may be able to work out something relatively simple which involves locking the case closed with a strong lock and then setting the BIOS to boot from hard disk first. Well...you could damage the motherboard FDD controller...but that seems extreme :) Could do that then wire the case with explosives...or a big electro magnet... Short of setting up a system out of a James Bond Movie... what about a cryptographic file system? I believe there are patches for such a thing... afterall...if they can use a boot disk and read/write the drive (ie to wipe the root password) then they can do anything else too... -Steve
Re: More robust filesystem?
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 03:50:20PM +0200, Alex Shnitman wrote: Peter Iannarelli writes: You could put a directive in your crontab to issue a sync every 5 minutes of every hour of every day. That's not quite the issue - Linux syncronizes its buffers whenever it has a chance anyway. What I'd like to know is whether there is a way to minimize the damage in the case of a reset when the machine was busy. hmm A few ideas come to mind... 1) Stop it from happening... cut the wires that goto the reset button...replace it with a key switch other bits of wiring... 2) mount as much as possible read-only. (/usr /etc ) 3) On a network? NFS mounts don't seem to mind this abuse at all is NFS-root not an option? not too much I can think of other than hacking your kernel... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: debian network workstation
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:12:21AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote: I have an old 386-25 computer with 8m of memory, a 100mb hd, et4000 based video card with 1m of display memory. The mb has no cache, and only ISA slots. I would like to use this machine as a networked station tied to my k6-233 acting as a server. I have an acton ne2000 clone I can put in the 386. Can I boot linux off the network? Can I put most of the file system on the network (IE the workstation would mount /bin, /usr, /etc from the network and maybe even /host/. What would be then minimun filesystem that would have to be on the local drive? Network bootng is easy... you could get away with no hard drive and just a boot disk! (or as little as a few megav=bytes of disk space) I would check out my web page http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux/poor.html this is the Poor Man's XTerminal it is for setting up a diskless netbooting XTerminal from a aPC it could be adapted for non-X use (ie as a network terminal etc) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: debian network workstation
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 02:56:46PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen J. Carpenter said On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 08:12:21AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote: I have an old 386-25 computer with 8m of memory, a 100mb hd, et4000 based video card with 1m of display memory. The mb has no cache, and only ISA slots. I would like to use this machine as a networked station tied to my k6-233 acting as a server. I have an acton ne2000 clone I can put in the 386. Can I boot linux off the network? Can I put most of the file system on the network (IE the workstation would mount /bin, /usr, /etc from the network and maybe even /host/. What would be then minimun filesystem that would have to be on the local drive? Network bootng is easy... you could get away with no hard drive and just a boot disk! (or as little as a few megav=bytes of disk space) Absolutely! One company (IGEL LLC) has done just that! They have a line of workstations that have a *minimal* filesystem stored in the ROMS (along with the kernel) another FS is stored in CMOS (holds /etc stuff). Their minimal configuration is a 386sx-16 w/ 8MB RAm and no HD. It works! Thats very interesting... I figured a ROM would make a great way to set these up. I would check out my web page http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux/poor.html this is the Poor Man's XTerminal it is for setting up a diskless netbooting XTerminal from a aPC it could be adapted for non-X use (ie as a network terminal etc) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux Almost forgot...IGEL's solution has been on the market for over 3 years now. One of my clients has had 3 of these systmes in place since Feb. 1996. They are ZERO administration boxes - I've not done a thing to (or with) them since they were installed. There's no reason why anyone can't put together such a solution... Well I have done it but...I did it a little differntly... I just put the kernel on a 3.5 floppy. Then the kernel is setup to use bootp and NFSroot. The ENTIRE filesystem is on the server...so any administration can be done on it (but none should ever be needed once it is setup). Once I have the time and systems I plan to add suport for multiple hosts to share the same filesystem and have them devine their unique host information. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Issues in switching to Debian
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:44:06AM -0400, Wayne Cuddy wrote: What makes you think this is a virus? I don't think you would be able to disinfect a Linux virus with 95. What is the process that is loading? On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Rob Collins wrote: ...and a fairly larger problem: I've discovered I have a virus on my machine. I figure I can get rid of the virus by loading up and disinfecting it in Windows95 (blech) -- but it may or may not be infecting my Linux installation (it -appears- to load as a child process to xdm on init)... b4 I do any install I want to know that I've disinfected my system, but don't know how to go about that in Linux. Any help is greatly appreciated. :) I DOUBT you have a virus. The fact is that there is only 1 documented case of a virus for linux. This virus was written as a test and there has never been an outbreak of it. The reason: Viruses tend to spread on other system because there is no implicit protection of files. This means that any user who uses a system and executes an infected file can infect EVERY file in the system Under linux ONLY a virus run as root could do this. 99% of the time it is run as a normal user and can't infect other people's files... thus, since MOST users don't own any executables...it can't infect anything. A windows 95 virus cleaner could NOT clean any such virus, i fyou had one. Also...a virus which runs under windows could NOT run on a Linux system (executable file formats are different) as for a child process to xdm...that not so strange ;) show us some output (ps aux and pstree) and maybe we can figure out what this process is that has you puzzled ;) Welcome to Linux :) its quite a differnt world here. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Issues in switching to Debian
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:40:34AM -0400, Rob Collins wrote: It disabled writing to my floppy disk, for one thing. how so? are you sure thats not disabled in BIOS? can you describe the behaviour? maybe an example of what happens when you try? The ppid points to xdm. In fact, in top it reports its command line value as xdm instead of (what you see in ps) -:0... which I figure is garbage. hmm that doesn't look particularly strange. course I don't generally run xdm... Not that I'm an expert, but from what I gather, it is (at least) an MBR virus, MBR viruses wouldn't do too well under linux... after it boots they would be in an environment which they didn't expect. I supose it is POSSIBLE... but it wouldn't get a PID...since it wasn't invoked through standard unix system calls and in fact ran before the kernel. and therefore I'd expect just about anything would detect it (I'll borrow some Anti-virus software and try it tonight). But what this thing has done, if anything, to my linux partitions (and lilo, of course, has to be shot) is the issue I see as most important right now. ok...just one thing... MAKE A LINUX BOOT DISK! just be safe ;) you don't want it overwritting your boot sector to get rid of the lilo virus ;) Just keep telling yourself you are immortal --Albert Hofmann good quote :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: xdm replacement?
On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 09:08:49AM -0400, Person, Rod wrote: As a newbie, I guess I have reached the level of comfort with Debian that now I want better, fast etc... Anyway, is there a replacement for xdm. I know about kdm but I want to use windowmaker so I don't want to take up all the space with kdebase and libs and support... hmm What specifically do you dislike about XDM? While I don't use XDM (except when I am playing with making Network Booting X Terminals out of PCs), I kind of like it...it works.. Though...I would like to Beautify it Can I use kdm without all that or is there something else I can use instead of xdm? I dunno about KDM... I have never used any kde stuff at all. I have only seen Screenshots of it. I do kind of like the idea of kde (I really like CDE afterall)...if it only LOOKED more like CDE (not a fan of its flashier graphics) of course...this doesn't go into the licence issues... at a minimum you will probbaly need qt to use kdm. Personally I would just configure and beautify XDM rather then switch... I think it looks fine. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: X Windows: Installation questions
On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 09:47:35AM -0400, Christian Lavoie wrote: I've just started initiating myself to Linux, and I have a few questions installing the XWindows system. My relevant system specs are: Logitech FirstMouse 3buttons Logitech mice rule ;) S3 ViRGE 325 PCI video card Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx accelerator 3D card Azura JEN0B00 monitor Here are my questions: 1) Running xf86config, How can I find what to answer to the RAMDAC question? Um do you NEED to? Generally I leave that one unanswered (answer Q I believe) 2) Looking through the packages site, I found that the SVGA server is favored over the S3V server, Why? NFI I use the S3V serverI have heard of SVGA being better even for the ViRGE cards...never tried tho. 3) After goign through the entire xf86config process, (and givin no answer to the RAMDAC question), the config file is broken, and the xserver does not recognize the line Viewport0 0. What does that line mean, and what is the problem? can you do this... startx 2 err This will log the errors into a new file err...then post the contents of it so we can see the error? the relevant lines from the XF86Config file woul dbe apreciated also. 4) What X client is favorable, I mean, is there one in particular gaining attention and support, or is it just personnal taste? I am not sure what you are asking? Man progrmas could be considered X Clients in fact... every program which uses X is an X Client (since the screen itself is the Server). What specifically do you have in mind when you say X Client? Can you elaborate? 5) Since I'm using Litestep (http://www.litestep.net) in Win95, I'll probably be using AfterStep in Xwindows, Where can I find the wharfs/*.app things? Sounds like a plan. I tend to prefer FVWM2 and tkdesk (tho...I am starting to use Gnome now instead of tkdesk...). COurse...I do most things in text mode anyways... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: xdm replacement?
On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:13:24PM -0400, joseph evan porter wrote: Anyway, is there a replacement for xdm. I know about kdm but I want to use windowmaker so I don't want to take up all the space with kdebase and libs and support... Can I use kdm without all that or is there something else I can use instead of xdm? Perhaps you should take a look at wdm, which is an xdm replacement with a NeXT-alike look and feel. This should go perfectly with Window Maker. I haven't tried it out myself yet, though. You can find the Debian package in slink (and perhaps in hamm?). I use wdm, and it's very nice. Once you've installed the package (from slink), it will put a new line in your /etc/X11/config file. You'll need to change it as follows: start-xdm becomes no-start-xdm no-start-wdm becomes start-wdm The easiest way to restart it from there is to (heavens, no!) reboot. I don't keep my machine on all the time, so this is easiest for me. Others might have a safer solution. Ack! I hate to reboot ...my machines stay up 24-7 and only go down to switch between development and stable kernels when I feel I need to (not often) telinit 1 to go down to single user mode... telinit 2 to return personally I prefer the redhat method... just set it to run at runlevel 5 ONLY then... telinit 5 (and edit inittab to default to 5) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Off Topic: Translating upcase filenames to lowercase filenames
On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 03:49:00PM -0200, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi debian users, I need to translate 800 filenames from upcase to lowercase. I remember that I can do this with tr, but I don't know very well. Any hints? Have a nice day,Paulo Henrique Try this script...I forget where I got it but -- #!/bin/sh # # up2lo - rename files from uppercase to lower case. # for i in $* do file=`echo $i | tr [A-Z] [a-z]` mv $i $file done -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: ApplixWare
On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 06:51:33PM +, Ruud de Bruin wrote: I have bought the latest version of ApplixWare and I would like to add ApplixWare to WindowMaker so I can start it from there. I've created an entry in /etc/menu like: ?package(applix):needs=x11 section=Apps/Editors icon=none title=APPLIX command=... However, after running update-menus APPLIX is not added to the menus. What am I doing wrong? Regards, Ruud. Thats because there is no package named applix... you can... A) Get equivs and make an empty package with that name or (EASIER) B) RTFM and realize that any package name begining with local. is addumed installed ?package(local.applix):needs=x11 section=Apps/Editors icon=none title=APPLIX command=... -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
HELP! Frozen e-mail barrage!
I have a headless machine here on my network (actually the one which provides the masquerading firewall etc) if I log into it and run sudo mailq it lists hoardes of e-mails frozen! The weird thing is that it is not a machine which is used for e-mail transfer! I have tried going into /var/spool/exim/input and issuing rm * this fixes the problem. A few days later...it is doing it all over aggain! They all look very similar here is some output from mailq: 5d 478 0zP5U5-0006Gc-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... 5m 1.1K 0zQifF-0001LZ-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... 0m 1.1K 0zQifF-0001LZ-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] and some samples: -- 0zP5U5-0006Gc-00-D /bin/sh: runq: command not found root 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 907335781 4 -ident root -received_protocol local -body_linecount 1 -frozen 907724448 -local -manual_thaw XX 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 129P Received: from root by Shit-Box.carpanet with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zP5U5-0006Gc-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:01 -0400 025* From: root (Cron Daemon) 034F From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon) 009* To: mail 018T To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 035 Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] runq 028 X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh 035 X-Cron-Env: HOME=/var/spool/mail 033 X-Cron-Env: PATH=/usr/bin:/bin 027 X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=mail 050I Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 037 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:01 -0400 (END) - 0zP5nR-0006QB-00-H mail 8 8 907336981 0 -ident mail -received_protocol local -body_linecount 20 -frozen 907724447 -localerror -manual_thaw XX 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 129P Received: from mail by Shit-Box.carpanet with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zP5nR-0006QB-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:03:01 -0400 044 X-Failed-Recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 052F From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] 018T To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 059 Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender 050I Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 037 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:03:01 -0400 .. 0zP5nR-0006QB-00-D This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (generated from [EMAIL PROTECTED]): unrouteable mail domain carpanet.carpanet -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- ...blah blah Has anyone seen this? any idea how I can fix it? -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpMu96l5Uz1p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HELP! Frozen e-mail barrage!
shortly after sending it I found the problem... anyone else seen this: runq is ocasionally run (I think by cron but I can't be sure) but runq i sNOT on the path! The path set is /bin:/usr/bin but NOT /usr/sbin where runq actually is...I sym linked it and this solved it. ANyone else seen this or know why it does it? seems to me I remember doing this once before (a while back) but... this is a fairly new system with fairly new SLINK packages! -Steve BTW I also corrected an MTA error if anything it should hhave been [EMAIL PROTECTED] not carpanet.carpanet (it was qualifing my domain!) On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 09:52:31PM -0400, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: I have a headless machine here on my network (actually the one which provides the masquerading firewall etc) [my own problem snipped]
Re: Problem using vi in telnet session
On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 01:46:50AM -0700, David Karlin wrote: Hello, I'm running a hamm system and mostly login through a telnet window on my win95 machine (I have only one monitor as of yet). When I run vi in the telnet window, I get some strange behavior. Just about no matter which key I press, the screen blanks, and then vi begins to save a copy of the file. (BTW, deselect also acts strangely.) When I plug my monitor into the Linux box and login at the console, vi works fine. I asked someone about this and he said it might have something to do with the terminal type of my telnet client. The win95 telnet client I'm using emulates a VT100-ansi. Has anyone experienced this kind of situation? Can anyone point me to the appropriate docs, or offer a solution? I looked in Running Linux, but couldn't find any info there. What telnet client are you using? is it the Windows 95 Telnet (aka Cheesy Telnet)? The standard telnet which comes with Windows 4.0 is REALLY CHEESY, and completely FUBAR. If you are using it I feel sorry for you, and recomend you try a better telnet. I recommend CRT (Combined Rlogin and Telnet) from Vandyke (www.vandyke.com) It is by far the best I have seen. It comes with a 30 day free trial (yes...shareware...man its been SO LONG since I ever even thought about the concept of Shareware :) ) If it works under CRT then it is your telnet program ;) also... What is TERM set to? have you tried: (under bash) export TERM=vt100 (or under others: TERM=vt100; export TERM) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Change route from suid script?
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:52:08AM +0200, Jon Kaare Hellan wrote: I've got ppp interfaces defined for the workplaces of me and my wife, and use a small script to switch the default route to the interface that needs to be active. ok...sounds interesting... This works, but I have to be root. I've tried to make the script suid/guid root, but get a SIOC error message from /sbin/route. scripts can not be made SUID/SGID It was discovered that SUID scripts tend to be a security hole It is for this reason that they are just plain not allowed under Linux. I would prefer not to have to be root to choose the default route. Embedding the commands to /sbin/route in a suid/guid C-program works. Is there another workaround? hmmm have you looked at sudo ? its a great command and coul dbe used from a script -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Safe rm available?
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 06:31:55PM +, Andy Spiegl wrote: Since 'rm' can be pretty dangerous sometimes, especially to new unix users, I was wondering whether there is something like a save rm out there. With feature similar to this list: - moving files to /tmp/trash instead of unlinking (saving full path) - configuration file with regexps listing files + that can't be rm'ed + that shouldn't be rm'ed (ask for confirmation) I didn't search the entire internet yet, but at least I couldn't find any debian packages. Anyone? There are such packages around (not debian ones but...recently it was talked about as an adition) In the Unix tradition its not common to be so forgiving :) I know tkdesk (which I run just to have a cool app bar that I never use) has a trash folder...it works well... as for a safe rm I don't remembver all of them but it does present some techincal difficulties... personally I don't see the need :) once you have removed a few files you wanted to keep...you learn. heh Oh you wanna stick your finger in the light socket, ok well go ahead... see hurt like a bitch didn't it? bet ya wont do that again. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Safe rm available?
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 02:49:50PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *- Stephen J. Carpenter wrote about Re: Safe rm available? | | heh Oh you wanna stick your finger in the light socket, ok well go ahead... | see hurt like a bitch didn't it? bet ya wont do that again. | Ha! The same could be said for using Winbloze! No very very bad analogy:) Windows users install Windows. Then they screw it up... then re-install... then screw it up...ad nauseum...finnaly they get it worked out and stop screwing it up... by that time a new version comes out...they Upgrade...then screw it up... its more a flaming circle of masochism than a learning process :) Stick your finger in a light socket and never doing it again ...is quite differnt from comming back and doing it again. although...personal note... when I was in second grade I stuck my finger on the prong of a plug I was plugging in... but the shock actually felt good (of course the position I was sitting in pretty much drew the current away from the heart and other vital organs) ...so I did it again... completely irrelevant...but...hey... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Excel DLLs (.xll) in Wine or Willows or Bochs or ...
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 08:16:59AM -0300, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi Debian users, my boss at work have to run a simulation into Excel that uses a DLL of Excel (.xll). The problem is that the simulation will take too long (about 7 years) and he couldn't put this kind of thing to run in Windowze because it could go into GPF and loss the entire simulation. He asked me if it's possible to run Excel into Linux and the simulation too. I thinked that Wine can do that? But I didn't play with Wine before because I am very happy with my Linux box (100% Microsoft free). But I'm curious. Is that possible with Wine? Can anyone give me some hints or share experiences? Have a nice day,Paulo Henrique Well I have to ask... what kind of simulation is this that takees 7 years and... if it is such a serious simulation...why would he use excell? could some other piece of software be more apropriate? or is it it will just take 7 years IN excell...y know...like balancing your checkbook :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: X server problems
On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 07:47:15AM -0400, Chris Fury wrote: Braden N. McDaniel wrote: Now when I boot the machine, my monitor goes to sleep as soon as the boot sequence has completed. I *think* this is because I elected to being xdm up at bootup when I initially installed everything, and now that setting is kicking in. I suspect the problem may be that the X server has not yet been properly configured. How can I get to a prompt so I can run xf86config? Eeeek! I had a simular problem with xdm recently... what I did was boot from the rescue disk (just like a normal install, no tricks), switch to the console (alt-F2),. mount my root partition, with etc on it, and then removed the file S99xdm (I think that's it) from /tempmount/etc/rc2.d (actually I made a backup copy of it, but it's just a link to ../init.d/xdm.) This link in /etc/rc2.d is what causes xdm to be launched on startup. Removing it from this directory will cause xdm NOT to be started on boot. You can then unmount your / partition, reboot, and you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to get to the prompt any more. You can run xdm manually from the prompt by simply typing xdm as root when you're ready. To be less drastic... chmod a-x /etc/init.d/xdm or edit /etc/X11/config anmd change the line start-xdm to no-start-xdm -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: rc3.d
On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 08:43:25AM +0200, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In /etc/init.d/ I made a file called wmnetstartup.sh that contains: #!/bin/sh ipfwadm -A in -i -S 0.0.0.0/0 ipfwadm -A out -i -D 0.0.0.0/0 and then in /etc/rcS.d/ I made a symlink to that script called: S60wmnetstartup That's perfectly allright. That is indeed the way to add something that needs to be run on boot only (no daemons, just one-time initialization). The only nitpick I have is that you could/should have used: update-rc.d wmnetstartup start 60 S . That makes the link automatically for you. But esp. in the case of rcS.d, where there is only one link anyway it doesn't really matter. Just a note... I know this isn't any sort of policy or documented AFAIK anywhere but... when I make my own init.d scripts (which I don't intend to be part of a debian package ;) ) I name them local.* (like my ip maquerading scipt is local.ip_masq) The idea is I can be pretty sure that there wont ever be a debian package named local.whatever esp since this is the same convention used un menu to tell it a dependancy is met localy. just a thought...also...is there any reason not to run ipmasq script as S20 (default)? mine always worked that way -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Y2K+38 disaster in debian?
On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 11:01:22AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
Quoting Philip Thiem ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Why would 32-bit apps be limited to 32 bit integers?? Didn't we have 32
bit avallible to us on the 286?? If not, I'm certain we were able to
get around it then. Also if any one wants to make use of MMX registers
there is even a 64-bit ASM MOV command avalible.
In fact on my (nonmmx)k6-processor(I don't have a chance to test on a
386) this program returns 8 bytes(64 bits) just as it should;
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
int main(void)
{
long long test;
printf(\n\n%i bytes\n\n, sizeof(test);
return 0;
}
1) Posix requires time_t to be a standard integer type. long long is
(was?) a non-standard extension. (It was being discussed as a possible
standard.)
2) 64 bit math is _very_ slow on a 32 bit machine. Since time_t is used
all over the place (e.g., the filesystem) you'd seriously slow things
down by making it 64 bits.
Well heres an idea...
Currently time_t only USES 31 bits. Why? because it is signed!
if we were to make time_t unsigned then it would double the amount of
available time till the overflow
(by double I mean double from the epoch. that would mean 2038 ius the
halfway point... which gives us another 69 years after 2038...or
2107)
of course the ramifications of this would need to be tested...
hmm... wish I had a spare machine to try it on
3) Since 64 bit archs already use a 64 bit time_t, this is a problem
that will go away when 32 bit machines are phased out (I can't see most
hardware lasting forty years.)
I agree...but...they still could be. Isn't that exactly what the people who
were writting mainframe applications a few yars ago said? :)
Nah this system wont be in use past 93 forget about 99
-Steve
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Re: Dewbie Question: How can I install rpm package
On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 10:08:36AM -0500, Jianbo Zhang wrote: Hi all, I just download sybase ase, it is in rpm format. I do not know how to install it in Debian. I am using Debian 2.0. Any help would be highly appreciated. There is a debian rpm package but...it doesn't work on its own (not being a distro which uses rpm we don't have the RPM package information and databases it needs) but... you can install alien which uses rpm. my advice...I have used alien only a few times... do this: alien -tc RPMFILE.rpm then you will have a tarball (RPMFILE.tgz) in the directory. make a new dir temp and untar it into temp (mv RPMFILE.tgz temp;cdtemp; tar xvf *) This will give you a chance to look at it. I would recommend installin git by hand into /usr/local -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: permissions of hosts.*
On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:41:05PM +, Pere Camps wrote: Hi! What should be the permission bits of the hosts.* files (hosts.allow, etc, etc). hmm... well on MY system...all of them are: -rw-r--r-- Works for me. Any reasons NOT to have this the case? -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Y2K+38 disaster in debian?
On Sun, Sep 27, 1998 at 02:55:08PM +0200, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote: Hi There was a lot of noise about the y2k problem in old COBOL and M$ applications, but what about the Y2K+38 disaster in the POSIX world? I was pretty sure that the new libc6 library implements 64 bit time_t, but just yesterday, during the testing of my new application I've stated, that when I entered (just by mistake) the year 2100 instead of 2010, it got completely crazy :-(. Hmm how crazy? considering that time_t is unsinged, when it overflows it should become -1 then count backwardscould apear very bizzar :) Are there any plans to implement the 64 bit time_t in glibc? I'm afraid, that it will be a big revolution, because AFAIK time_t is used to store the information on disk by some filesystems (i don't know what about the tar archives and so on)... Well I dunno about plans but here is how I see it... changing time_t to a 64 bit integer will likely break some things.. it will break any comercial apps which depend on it and havn't been fixed yet.. it would break binary compatibility in appss which need it with other linuxs This does need to be done eventually...but.. we have about 40 years to do it. Unix itself is only about 29 years old... we have much more tim eto consider it than the Y2K people. I DO however think we need to learn the lesson of Y2K and fix this within the next few years, but we have a luxory that the Y2K people don't, namely we have ime to discuss the ramifications, study them and then impliment the changes. Well, I'm not sure if I'll be still alive in 2038, but I hope that the Debian 80.45.1 will... :-). Well thats a good point but... we shouldn't forget that very soon we will all be running on SParcStation 10s running a MicroKernel based OS...oh wait... hmm SparcStation 10s are a bi told...maybe Mr Tannenbaum would like to revise that estimate he made a few years back... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpdDPpMIPtua.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Network debian with win 98
On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 11:41:25PM -0400, Collin Rose wrote: I cannot network my win98 and linux machine. I put linux on the 98 machine to check the net connection. It works fine. Any ideas on this? I cannot even ping the other computer. I do have TCP/IP installed on the 98 system. Ok... if installing linux on the 98 machine works fine then it sounds like your network is properly wired... You installed TCP/IP on the 98 machine...did you configure it? WHat IP adresses and Subnet masks did you use? Do you have tcpdump on the linux machine? If you can't ,ake sense of the tcpdump output then just post it and im sure someone can tell you what it means. Just run tcpdump and start the 98 machine trying to ping. if you don't get ANY output form tcpdump then you can be 99.9% sure it is a hardware/wiring problem. If you see ICMP echo requests (pings) then you probably have a software misconfiguration on one or the other (check the subnet masks ;) ) just for a reference heres what I use for IPs IPs: 10.0.0.* subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: ip acct and devel. kernel
On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 08:55:15PM -0700, Max wrote: Is there something special I need to do to be able to use IP accounting with the development kernel (2.1.121)? /proc/net/ip_acct doesn't exist and programs such as ipacset and ipfwadm complain about it. What's going on? Do I need to enable IP firewalling in the kernel? If so, that option is greyed out and I have no idea how to ungrey it so that I can enable it. ipfwadm doesn't work. 2.1.x kernels (later than 98 I think...I am not sure since when) use a completely differnt way of working. The new command is ipchains and is completely differnt... for a quick and easy cheat... there is ipfwadm-wrapper heres the manpage snippit: DESCRIPTION Ipfwadm-wrapper emulates the behaviour of ipfwadm. You can use this wrapper to use your old ipfwadm firewall rules with ipchains. See ipfwadm(8) for more details. both are found on my debian system as part of netbase -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: ip acct and devel. kernel
On Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 11:15:26AM -0700, Max wrote: You (Stephen J. Carpenter) wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 08:55:15PM -0700, Max wrote: Is there something special I need to do to be able to use IP accounting with the development kernel (2.1.121)? /proc/net/ip_acct doesn't exist and programs such as ipacset and ipfwadm complain about it. What's going on? Do I need to enable IP firewalling in the kernel? If so, that option is greyed out and I have no idea how to ungrey it so that I can enable it. ipfwadm doesn't work. 2.1.x kernels (later than 98 I think...I am not sure since when) use a completely differnt way of working. The new command is ipchains and is completely differnt... for a quick and easy cheat... there is ipfwadm-wrapper heres the manpage snippit: DESCRIPTION Ipfwadm-wrapper emulates the behaviour of ipfwadm. You can use this wrapper to use your old ipfwadm firewall rules with ipchains. See ipfwadm(8) for more details. both are found on my debian system as part of netbase Thanks for your help, but it looks like I still need to enable IP firewalling in the kernel because I get the following message with ipfwadm-wrapper: Generic IP Firewall Chains not in this kernel ipchains -L reports: ipchains: cannot open file `/proc/net/ip_fwnames' The question is how to enable firewalls when that option is greyed out in the kernel configuration menu. Any clues? hmm is IP forwardign on? firewalling is kinda useless without forwarding...somtimes another option turns it on...hmmm I dunno I am using 2.1.120...havn't tried 2.1.121 yet... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Q:xfsft binary on debian system
On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 10:18:23PM -0400, Damir J. Naden wrote: Hi, everybody -- has anbody tried to install the precompiled binary for xfsft (not xfstt) that is available from this site: http://www.darmstadt.gmd.de/~pommnitz/xfsft.html I have NOT tried it (as the xfstt maintainer for debian maybe I am biased? : ) anyway... have you downloaded it? is it glibc or libc5? If it is compiled for linux it SHOULD work (of course there are always those situations where things are setup or compiled weird)... I see NO reason why it wouldn't work. I'd like to know if it is possible to just copy that font server over the regular one debian uses (part of xbase, I believe)? Comments welcome... That would be bad The ONLY things AFAIK that dpkg and debina policy garauntees will NOT be destroyed without your permission are conffiles binary executables are NOT conffiles... so the next tim,e you install xbase it will write over xfs..whgether it is new or not. Just put it in /usr/local/bin and it will be safe there... copy the xfs file from /etc/init.d to xfsft and edit it to use your new binary (and disable the xfs one) then use update-rc.d xfsft defaults to install the sym links and bring it up on boot...beyond that just configure its fonts et al. Note: I have never used xfsft, but I have used xfstt and xfs ...both work well enough for my needs. I know it is easier to use xfstt, but I like the idea of running a single server better. well whatever floats your boat :) The real reason I packaged xfstt and not xfsft originally was that it is based so tightly on XF86 source...I would have had to split out the source tree for xfs myself...thats a pain (esp if xfsft gets a patch...or if xfs gets a differnt fix/patch)... Not to mention xbase has xfs built in...it was a mess, maybe once X is broken up a bit (a goal of the X Strike Force ) it will be easier to package xfsft -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpYmaJjuBlXQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Need help with resolution
On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 07:46:54PM -0500, Ken Archer wrote: I currently have SuSE 5.2, Red Hat 5.1, Slackware 3.4 and Debian 2.0 on seperate partitions on a 10 gig hd. As you can tell, I am constantly looking for something better. From what I heard, I thought it might be Debian, but I can't even get the resolution set right on it. I have it set a 1024x768 on my other distributions, but using xf86config the same way with Debian, I get 640x480 with a virtual resolution of 800x600. It evidently only sees 256k of videoram when I have 2 meg. What's different about Debian? From what I read on this mailing list, one of its features is easy of installation. Maybe I'm just expecting too much. Well I hate it when XF86Config doesn't work...so I always make a backup... have you thought of getting /etc/XF86Config from either your RedHat or slackware system? it SHOULD work I believe. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Need help with resolution
On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 07:43:35AM -0500, Ken Archer wrote: You are right. That SHOULD work, but I had already tried that and it didn't solve the problem. From what I can see, it seems to be a problem with the system only seeing 256k of videoram when it has 2 meg. I should normally be able to toggle between resolutions with Ctrl - Alt - +, but it is locked into 640x480 because that is all that's available. ahhh hmm are you sure your using the right server? The Debian setup is a very nice one but...takes a little getting used to from other systems.,... do you have the right Xserver installed? (they are xserver-* packages) I know you probably have all this right but it doesn't hurt to check all the bases :) can you give a dump of x startup? ( startx 2 dump ) some others suggested explicitly telling it how much RAM...id try that too -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Q: MIPS machine + Linux?
I went to the MIT flea market yesterdy. (last one this year is next month!) I only bought 1 thing, a DECstation 5000/133. I was told this is a MIPS machine,it has some RAM (NFI how much) and no hard drive (yet). No video card but I got a vt320 terminal for it. I seem to remember that there is a Linux port for MIPS anyone know anything about it? Debian doesn't apear to have a MIPS dist (yet :) - we seem to have almost everything else). ANy pointers to info would be apreciated...I would love to get this machine up and running. If not linux..any idea what else will run on it? (I doubt im going to find ultrix) course in any case... $20 wasn't bad for this beast...hmm and $5 for a vt320 terminal to use for a display... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Backups
On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 11:22:29AM +0100, C.J.LAWSON wrote: Hi, This is a bit off topic (and sorry I cannae answer any of your questions) ... Is tar ever used for backing up and if not why not .. if it is why is it not the defacto standard --Jonathan Well...I use tar... In fact I think tar is great..just last night after enabling super-user rsh (if anyone is capable of getting past my firewall by obtaining physical acess to my network...then they can just steal toc omputer forget cracking it ;) I did a tar clvf hal:/dev/st0 / and it proceded to backup fine. then I switched tapes on on hal did tar cvlf /dev/st0 / I love tar it works great... -Steve On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Johann Spies wrote: Hallo, I have come to the conclusion that I cannot get reliable backups using ftape and my Iomega Ditto 2Gb tape drive. While trying out the latest beta version of ftape, two of my tapes (one - 3.7 gig - was bought the day before) were rendered unusable. I am getting a CRC error in the header of the tape. Now not even NT or Dos software can use those tapes. That is too expensive for me to try it out again. Now I have a few questions: 1. Do commercial backup programs for Linux use ther own drivers or do they rely on ftape? 2. How reliable is the use of rewritable cd's for this purpose? 3. Do other types of tape backup systems also have problems with reliability in combination with ftape? 4. Does anyone know whether it is possible to repair my tapes? Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Jonathan Lawson Thermal Processes Unit Department of Applied Energy and Optical Diagnostics School of Mechanical Engineering, Cranfield University, Cranfield, Bedford. UK. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'They came forth from unholy darknesses ... and were driven back by the rage of Angels' --- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe glug in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Backups
On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 03:26:10PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen J. Carpenter said On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 11:22:29AM +0100, C.J.LAWSON wrote: Hi, This is a bit off topic (and sorry I cannae answer any of your questions) ... Is tar ever used for backing up and if not why not .. if it is why is it not the defacto standard --Jonathan Well...I use tar... [snipped testimonial] I love tar it works great... I think that last phrase should be qualified. I've had two instances where a physical error on the disk was not caught by tar. On both of those scenarios tar kept witting even though it was not possible to restore past that point. you have a point...I did this once...but.. I ALWAYS invoke tar with the v option to be verbose and I come back and check the verbose spewings of it. The one time this happened to me it had errors from that point on and I knew the backup didn't work. (which is why I have more than one tape) BTW I find I have to retensiont he tape every other backup...that is what caused the problem) I don't use tar for backups anymore. I use BRU2000 almost exclusively. Though I do *some* backups using alternative technologies just to keep my data safe...I don't think that all of our backups should rely on any one technology - use magnetic and optical, tape and disk, IDE and SCSI, etc. I would like to try dump...and I got rdump working but... it says it will need 23 tapes to backup...when I KNO WI can get it on 1 tape.. obviously a tape density problem but...dunno how to fix it -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Install problems
On Sat, Sep 19, 1998 at 12:55:58PM -0500, EGRET Lures wrote: Just a note... I use Mutt...and when it recives no messgae and an HTML attachment it runs lynx to read the message... this makes replies VERY hard and is a PITA. Please refrain from posting HTML to the group...text replies are apreciated. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgp2qDN1RJDDA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Unified Unix Driver Standard
On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 02:52:15PM -0300, Adam Greene wrote: What will Linux (therefore Debian) do with the new Unix Driver Model being pushed by Intel, Compaq, SCO, Hewlett-Packard, etc?? hmm well... I have no idea :) What is this standard? Is there a pointer to it? If the standard is worth anything...and would be a good thing to impliment then it will probably eventually gte implimented and become part of Linux... the real deciding factors are A) someone likeing it enouhgh (perhaps needing it enough) to impliment it B) Other people liking it enough to actually use it I would however like to see this standard -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: COBOL for linux
On Thu, Sep 17, 1998 at 12:06:14PM +0100, K.Y.Lo wrote: Hi Does anyone know where is COBOL for the Linux? I searched through Debian package lists nothing even mentions COBOL. I personally doubt that sucha beast exists. Ive never actually heard of anyone who actually LIKES COBOL. If the quote Microsoft techincal Documentation has done more to retard the skills of programmers than anything since COBOL is true... well ive read microsoft Techincal DOcumentation (if it can be called that!) thats bad :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: ACK! Help me restore my console!
On Wed, Sep 16, 1998 at 09:33:52AM -0600, John Larkin wrote: No... This is not the problem. As I said, X crashed. This makes the X server quit without restoring the display, so you just get your X desktop sitting there. You can restart X remotely, but when you exit, it restores the previous mode, eg a graphical mode instead of a text console. When I close my current (working) X session, I get static, my monitor displays a NO SIGNAL OR RANGE OUT SIGNAL message and goes into sleep mode. [...] I did say that the console got FUBARd by killing the X server with -9, perhaps my assumption that people on this list had prior experience with this happening was unreasonable. Try it sometime, it's interesting. I don't think that's too unreasonable. A while ago, the X server for my video card was quite unstable (ATI Mach64 w/chrontel ramdac), and I ended up needing to kill the xserver remotely about once every 2 or 3 days (the xserver would take over the console and refuse to operate correctly). interesting. I had a similar problem too...but..it happened only once so far. I upgraded to kernel 2.1.119 and a few days later it happend. It was BAD. I telnetted in from my girlfriends Mac. I killed X and suddenly the screen went weird...verticle stripes... AND the telnet connection DROPPED! Then I couldn't even ping hal...even Magic Alt-Sysreq didn't help had to hit the shudder reset button After this happened, I got behavior slightly different than yours: my text consoles would be, for lack of a better phrase, fubar (so, does this deserve a d at the end, or perhaps a -ed to make it clear? Who knows?). Anyway, it was still a valid video mode -- but it was a graphics mode, and it looked like the kernel was writing standard text into the video memory, yet the graphics card was interpreting it as graphics. It looked bad, and nothing resembling text. I tried all sorts of means of getting the text consoles back. Running svga programs, running X again and shutting down nicely, and using restoretextmode after I'd saved proper settings earlier. The X server would work OK if I ran it again, but I was unable to get the text modes back without rebooting linux. Did you try switching TTYs? alt-fn or cont-alt-fn ? -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Legal issues with having Linux use Windows device drivers
On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 10:31:49PM -0700, Geoffrey L. Brimhall wrote: Aside from the technical issues of having Linux use windows device drivers (such as the video card drivers), are there any legal reasons why a person could not use the device drivers written for the MS Windows operating system ? Yes and no. You can NOT distribute the drivers to other people However...if you have a licence for windows you can use it all you want. This is quite similar to the many people using xfstt to have truetype fonts in X...I know I got most of My truetypes from Windows... The other issue is whether or not the device api set which the drivers use to communicate with the windows operating system are proprietary or not. They are certainly an open, published api set (look at the DDK part of the Microsoft MSDN, where most of these entry points are described). The question is whether Microsoft owns all rights to usage of these entry points ? If they don't, then it seems like some kernel drivers could be written which supply these api points and map them to pertinant UNIX io, thus allowing usage of the drivers. Excellent quote from a source I forget: Microsoft technical Documentation has done more to retard the skills of programmers than anything since COBOL Have you ever tried to write a program for windows? Their documtnation is absolutely horrendous. Not to mention they are FAMOUS for leaving allot of calls undocumented. (Presumably so only they can use them because noone knows about them. This of course allows them to have better programs than everyone else and BEFORE anyone else) As for anything else...You are free to implimenbt the API et al. They can not stop you from doing that (legally) but they don't have to help (from what I understand the undocumented calls have been a thorn in the side of many people working on WINE and similar projects) Also...many device drivers are NOT written by Microsoft. From what it looks like to me (and I have heard) it goes more like this: Company produces something. Company writes a driver Company pays microsoft to look at the driver and certify it is windows compatible (and of course with MOST M$ also includes their driver into the Windows distribution) that sjust what I have heard tho -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: CDE for Debian
On Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 01:03:44PM -0500, Matthew A. Reklau wrote: Is there a version of CDE available for Debian releases and if so where and cost please. Well The Debian Project is devoted to Free software and CDE is not free so it is not part of debian. ALso...There is no version which is even free enough to be packaged and distributed in non-free. This does NOT mean however that there is NO version of CDE that you can buy and use. RedHat software puts out a version of CDE for linux. This version is not For Debian Systems but...it is CDE and it is for a Linux system which has many similarities to Debian I recently purchased Applixware from RedHat and it installed and works just fine on my Debian system. Has anyone here tried RedHat's CDE on Debian? I havn't (can't afford it...well I COULD but imnot motivated enough to afford it) You might want to try to contact RedHat and see what they think... I would bet their opinion will be biased (but then again if you ask me as a Debian Developer which distribuion I like the best...well can you predict the answer?) but...it can't hurt to ask. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: {stupid pet tricks}blown Root passwd
On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 02:18:40AM -0600, Kent Andersen wrote: I seem to have a problem changed my root password on one of my systems and whamo when I later tried to su root my password doesent work... went through the normal booting from a floppy but cant seem to mount the harddrive so I can edit the passwd file or login as root without pass. any ideas? Its kinda like stupid pet tricks night. Does it have lilo? can you give it boot parameters? if so try this: LILO: linux /bin/sh This will tell the kernel that init is /bin/sh. As soon as the kernel is done booting it will run /bin/sh and you will get a shell. issues: With the real init NOT running you will have to do allot by hand hopefully once you zap the root password...it SHOULD be sufficent to remount the filesystem read-only and issue halt or reboot -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: {stupid pet tricks}blown Root passwd
On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 04:27:41PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: Stephen J. Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include stddisclaimer.h LILO: linux /bin/sh [...] hopefully once you zap the root password...it SHOULD be sufficent to remount the filesystem read-only and issue halt or reboot You didn't try this Stephen? No I didn't I HAVE done it but...I havn't needed to do it in a LONG time. Only ever had to resort to it once. When I blew up my /etc/inittab this was the only way in. I think I remember that I couldn't do a halt or reboot. The only way out was the power switch. I had the rootpartition mounted read-only and everything was fine when it booted. Yes that should do it...hmm...I seem to remember something about sync'ing twice I belive that halt and reboot almost just is synonyms for init 0 and init 6 which maybe wouldn't work if not PID0 is a init allready. hmm Yes thats true and AFAIK that wasn't always the case. There used to be (and are on other Unixes) halt and reboot which do just that. in fact on them sync;sync;reboot is a traditional method for reboot :) hmmm maybe we need realhalt and realreboot... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: PON on REQUEST
On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 01:24:01PM -0700, Lazar Fleysher wrote: Greeting everyone, Very often, I have to work on my home computer from other places and I do not want to have my home computer on-line all the time. Hmm well personally I DO want my computer online all the time whether I am here or not but my ISP doesn't allow it on my account and I can't convince my girlfriend $70/month is worth it for a static IP and being allowed to stay connected Would it be possible to configure it in such a way so when I call home say two times in a row, pon would be executed automaticaly and ip-up ( I did it already) would post the IP address of the home computer on a designated page? Well...what type of modem you have? isn't there a package for voice communications like setting up a voicemail system? that could do it.. call... press 5 enter your PIN :) as for web page posting you can do bettercheck out ml.org The monolith has a dynamic DNS setup. Just use lynx as part of ip-up to dump your IP out to a URL where the DNS is updated with your new name. I am carpanet.dyn.ml.org when im online. Then poff uses lynx to disable it -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Boot problems with lilo
On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 01:06:18PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: [ snip ] : Any ideas why lilo is unwilling to work on this drive? : The drive has about 8000 (aprox) cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors (obviously) Did you try the linear option in lilo.conf? Also, try commenting out compact if it isn't already. Ahh thanxworks great :) I will have to add this one to my mental Bag of Tricks :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpQKzRm4bfvs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Net Auction Krizms?!!!!!!!!!
On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 03:43:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think of these online auction thingys? IT seems to me that if you have abit of time to spend bidding you can get stuff ridiculously cheap! I saw a whole bunch of Digital Alphas Servers (Older ones, but still), get sold for like US $430! Is there some poorness about this auction stuff, or should I go ahead and buy myself an Alpha. :). ***Drool!!!*** The auctions are like anything else... Some good deals...some shit. How old of ALphaServers? Here in Boston at the MIT Flea market I saw some guy who (from coversation I figured) once worked for digital...he was selling some old Alphaservers for $50/ea with VMS loaded on I goto www.onsale.com if I goto any of them I tend to find packs of ethernet cards are good deals. I have had no problems with any of the SVEC cards I got there...get a nice 6 pack or 2... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: 2.1 kernel
On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 03:12:46PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Kay Nettle wrote: Is anyone using a 2.1 kernel? Which version is the most stable? We have people complaining about slow NFS service and we want to try NFS version 3. Thanks, Kay Wait. 2.1 is supposed to be released RSN as 3.0. I think the latest devel kernel um AFAIK it will be 2.2.0 NOT 3.0.0 has SMP problems and some of the recent ones have had NFS trouble. 2.1.120 has the comment SMP is broken without this patch dunno bou tNFS I think NFS is working again. Linus has frozen new features and is trying to get everyone to focus on cleanup and bug fixes. He wants to release before Fall to hear him tell it. Everything from about .85 on has had one sort of trouble or another. First it was tcp/ip, then mm, then nfs, now smp so you are better off waiting for the release at this point. I dunno... I have 2.1.119 on Shit-Box (the computer with the modem, which does my ip_masq AND serves NFS...which I mount /home from ) I ran 2.1.119 on Hal...X completely locked up while I was playin with nedit.. even th eMagic SysReq Key didn't help... I was able to telnet in and kill X by hand...as soon as I did the screen went weird (prety colors) and my telnet connection dropped... system needed ahard reboot... Other than that...I love the 2.1.x kernels ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpoksjC8sizK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 2.1 kernel
On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 07:29:43PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: Wait. 2.1 is supposed to be released RSN as 3.0. I think the latest devel kernel um AFAIK it will be 2.2.0 NOT 3.0.0 I thought I saw Linus make a comment to someone that That feature is going to have to wait for 3.1, this kernel is frozen with regard to new features or something along those lines. If the next devel kernel is 3.1 then I assumed that the release preceeding it would be 3.0 hmm maybe your right... I remember hearing that 2.2 will be next,hmmm maybe it will be 3.0 woo hoo :) (not that it means much) Though it is understandable...ALLOT has changed -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Apache / SSL
On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 07:43:38AM -0300, Carlos Marcos Kakihara wrote: Hi, I've compiled Apache with SSL support, but I'm getting the follow message (when I start it): Skip first time initialisation What is it? There is a apache.deb with SSL support? Check out nonus.debian.org There i an apache-ssl package -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Boot problems with lilo
I decided since i was moving into a new apartment and planning on working towards that lofty goal of having my network connected to the net 24-7 (if I could only convince my girlfriend that $70/month is not too much $), It is time to move the modem out of MY workstation and into another box. I dug out my Shit-Box (packard bell Pentium 100). I threw in a WD caviar hard drive (4 gig). Debian installed fine...upgrade to slink went excellent.. 2.1.119 kernel works flawlessly. The damned thing just wont boot! I need to use a boot disk every single time. I did the debian install on a CLEAN drive. I don't run ANYTHING other than Linux on any of my machines (not even the SPARCstations ;) ). It goes through the POST, then tries to boot... I get an LI then it halts. It just stops dead right there. I have used this machine (same machine almost exactly except for the hard drive) with Linux beforeand this hard drive gave me the SAME problem in another machine. Any ideas why lilo is unwilling to work on this drive? The drive has about 8000 (aprox) cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors (obviously) I generally partition as most of the drive is / and the last 128 MB or so is my swap partition...just 2 partitions. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: y2k (don't kill me!)
On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 12:03:28PM -0500, Stephanie A. Tomlinson wrote: Ok, don't kill me.. i know you all are probably tired of/avoiding/irked with/ frothing at the mouth because of the whole y2k compliance bruhaha. I just gotta find out... where might i find an official bullettin or who might i talk to in order to get an official statement concerning debian linux's y2k compliance? Did you check the debian web page? (is that not offical enough?) There were statements about Year 2000 issues there. I believe acording to what I read the system has been tested at dates Jan 1, 2000 and beyond. In fact if I remember the only remaining issue with the system was CVS (has that already been fixed?). Of course...being a Unix-like system...the kernel defines time_t as a 32 bit integer number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970 soacording to that... anything relying on time_t should be fine until... 3:14 am Jan 18, 2038 (give or take ;) I may have done the math wrong...but if so I should only be off by a few days) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: y2k (don't kill me!)
On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 01:52:38PM -0500, Stephanie A. Tomlinson wrote: Actually, i did check the debian web page. Unfortunately, i don't have the resources necessary to go on a long hunt for the information and it didn't seem to be readily noticeable on the site. Perhaps i'm smoking crack. Well you might be smoking crack for all I know, even if you are your still right, it isn't very prominent on the page. It is somewhere in the news (from a few months back) I also saw it somewhere else on the page :) tis ok tho... its always hardest to find the info we want :) At any rate... any rate? Ok then $128/hour -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: GPL'd/free driver for Ensoniq AudioPCI sound card
On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 09:53:30AM +0800, LUK ShunTim wrote: Hi, I would like to know where can I get a GPL'd or free driver for the Ensoniq AudioPCI sound card for x86 architecture. I've checked out the OSS/Free page and it seems that their free version does not support this (and other PCI) card. Check the 2.1.x kernels. The recent ones DO have that driver. In fact I use it on my system. It is not quite as good as the OSS/Linux driver I use under my 2.0.35 kernel but...it works fine. I personally have used 2.1.119 with few problems (I did have a COMPLETE system lockup while in X earlier tonight...even alt-sysreq (a feature in 2.1.x kernels) couldn't help AND I couldn't telnet in Other than that...been runnin fine for a while :) -STeve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpWMb07qiyKY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: procmail
On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 06:42:30PM +0100, Vincent Murphy wrote: What's the best recipe to use with this list for procmail? Depends :) I like mail through the list to go into one mailbox and mail directly to me (whether to thte list or not) to goto thje list box...so... :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org /home/sjc/mail/debian-mentors -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Debian manual -- printed.
On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 04:00:19PM -0400, Person, Rod wrote: Since, I decided to use debian instead of Slackware or Red Hat. I have noticed something. I can't find a book devoted to it. Well www.cheapbytes.com ...they sell the: Debian User's Guide *ED1* Close-out price W/2 CDs From the web page: This is Edition 1 of the Debian User's Guide. We are offering it at a close-out price. The book is aimed at Debian 1.3, but is still usefull for Debian 2.0 since it covers such issues as dpkg and dselect The price (as I see now) is $13 (americain) I seem to remember hearing something somewhere about a new version of the book on its way or at least with some sort of not too far off future date. Don't expect me to be right tho...my memory ois fuzzy I can find the other and I even am considering switching to another dist, just be cause I like to have a printed text near by. I knwo what you mean guess not everyone has laser printers :/ I don't think its really worth switching just for that though. (When I first started I got a coupla books on other dists but found them almost uselessI find general informatrion books MUCH better) You to read on the bus or when you turn on your machine and it makes that uhh no sound stop crash ! So can someone recommend one to me that has stuff in it specific to Debian? Where can I get it? (I even have Linux Journal - and I can't find anything in there!) Ok, if it will help I'll trade all my old Windblows 95/3.1 tech manuals and like or how about my Netware CNE/CNA study guide ; ) hmmm well... Ill buy that $13 book and trade it for your CNE/CNA study guides AND Windblows Tech manualshmmm maybe If they are laid on top of eachother...whats the total height of the books? (I know the CNE book from novel is at least 2 inchges thick)really I just need them to raise up my monitor off the desk ; -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: X11 remains black (fwd)
On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:01:48AM -0400, Ossama Othman wrote: Hi, using the PCMCIA drivers), but if I start X (version included in Debian 2.0), the screen remains black. SuperProbe does not work neither. Screen black, machine locked ? When I reboot with 2.0.30, no problems, not at all. Please note that this 2.0.30 kernel was made with gcc 2.7.2.. while the 2.0.34 with gcc 2.8.1. Don't use gcc 2.8.1 or egcs to compile the 2.0.x kernels. This is a known issue. Compiling the kernel with those compilers causes problems with X11 starting up. Use gcc 2.7.x to compile the kernel. By the way, it is for this reason (at least one reason) that Debian 2.0's default C compiler is gcc 2.7.2.3. I believe that the latest development 2.1.x kernels can be compiled using the new compilers. I am not suggesting that you use the development kernels, however. Why not? :) I got 2.1.119 last night...man it is sweet :) My first development kernel :) Didn't quite compile out of the box (silly kernel coders :) put the variable declaration in a function after its first use :) btw thats in nbd.c I think) Other than thatit works great...it feels faster too esp under X Maybe its just mebut it does apear faster :) Also...in kernel hacking it has the Magic sysreq keyIlike the idea of being able to try to force the kernel to sync and umount filesystems if something locks up... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Beowulf cluster
On Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 09:22:00AM -0400, Greg Vence wrote: M.C. Vernon wrote: Hmm - is beowulf a .deb? and if so, is it in /slink/non-free It seems to be available as RPM's. You can use alien to get it installed. I am tossing around the idea of a cheap beowulf cluster...junked PCs etc. I think some of the beowulf stuff is already available? from what I remember Beowulf uses PVM, and that is already packaged. They basically seemed when I read their pages to be makeing add ons which make PVM more powerfull (Like a cool way to bind 2 (or more) ethernet segments together into 1 much faster segment - of course every machine on the segment needs 2 cards...but.. it look sway cool) hmmm is anyone working on these add ons? ifenslave is really cool looking... (not that I can offord to have one right now, but maybe) Me either. However, as a consultant I see 486's trashed from time to time... I see them go out in huge piles...huge piles -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: file-rc vs. sysV init (was: enabling bootpc at startup)
On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 02:20:28PM -0500, the lone gunman wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 08:19:34AM +0200, Torsten Hilbrich wrote: On: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:11:30 -0500 the lone gunman writes: On my Debian 1.3 system, I installed the package which removes the sysV style init scripts and installs the /etc/runlevel.conf system. I did not see this package in my hamm install. Did I overlook it? Yes, it's called file-rc and to be found in stable/main/admin. BTW: Search the package file for runlevel.conf and you will find it. Why is file-rc not the default, just out of curiosity. I found it much more intuitive, and a bit easier and faster to maintain. The default sysV init scripts took me a bit longer to figure out. Well...it is not the traditional way of configuring runlevels. besides...I LIKE the sysvinit way of doing it with SymLinks Also...when I installed file-rc (accidently) a while back...it completle fucked my system. It wasn't properly unmounting filesystems on reboot. When I found it was doing this I set out to find out why (not even knowing that file-rc was installed)...lost the whole filesystem. Maybe this has been fixed? I would install file-rc agian, but I have a worry. I noticed when updating/installing new packages with file-rc installed, I get a *LOT* of errors that are something like: update-rc.d: integer expected or something leading me to believe that dpkg still tries to run the update-rc.d script used in a sysV init system, while update-rc.d is obsolete if file-rc is used. Any comments on this? Is this perhaps fixed in Hamm? I dunnoI would NOT want to see this become the default... I think it is allot less flexible than sysvinit. if you like it...go on ahead...whatever floats your boat -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: debian vs others
On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 09:00:17AM -0500, Rick Knebel wrote: Hi, I know it is kind of silly to ask what is better debian vs redhat on a debian list but here goes anyway. Welldon't expect un-biased opinion :) I myself am very biased :) (but shouldn't you expect thatI am a package maintainer for debian ;) ) I have used various distro including redhat, caldera and suse and have not been really happy with any of them. It happens...wheat specifically did you NOT like about them? I was a redhat user on and off for a little over a year...after some hardware problems I decided to upgrade to RedHat 5.0 (which at the time had JUST come out). I had a problem ordering it (this was through no fault of RedHat's.. I have a very screwey Debit Card which is not a real credit card.. it causes problems everywhere). I decided that rather than resolve this right away I will look around. I found Debian and fell in love :) All the things I disliked about redhat (ever try to administer a redhat box without using X? I found it very tough...) I read an article about debian and was sort of intrigued. I like what I read about there package system and being able to upgrade automatically from ftp sites. Yes if you can bear the download time :) Does a 120 MB download scare you off? ocasionally I tell it Upgrade everything and it says Will need 120 MB of files... (hint: start it and go to bed ;) ) CD works equally well :) So anyone out there who uses debian now who used to use one of the distro's, I would appreciate if you could tell me what you like about it better. I like that its cleaner and more well documented. I am comparing to RedHat here. RedHat is VERY EASY to setup everthing... go into X and just a few mouse clicks and you have a PPP connection...hell... setting up PPP is easier than win95! Then try doing it through a telnet sessiontheir network scripts were (I am thinking redhat 4.1/4.2) undocumented (AFAIK) and hard to figure out I had to completly resetup ppp by hand. In debian the setup is easy (but not X based) and works equally well in command line and X (which doens't always make everyone happylike the other day I telnetted into my home machine from work and executed poffbecause I wanted to call home and the line was busy...girlfriend who was online was not amused ;) ) Also do you think debian will continued to be developed? I think it will be :) I read somewhere that the head of the progect quite because he thought the progress was not fast enough. Well I joined as a developer after that happendbut... as far as I can tell it was more just over some disagreements... lets face it...over 400 developers...we are all human. Disagreements will happenand sometimes the time comes for people to go their separate ways. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: What is a magic number?
On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 07:54:24PM +0800, htyj wrote: I've seen the term magic number in many documents, I wonder what it is, and how to get it(calculate it?)? TIA. A magic number is basically an identifier... for exampleif I am sniffing ethernet (ie taking in raw ethernet packets whether or not they are designated for me) but I am only concerned with IP... I can look at the packet and I know (generally) the first 12 bytes are source and destination adresses so they can be anything...but for IP I know that byte number 13 is going to be the ethertype and for IP that is 0x0800 so I can consider that a magic number and if I look for that I know I have IP (to be more complex./...I know the next nibble will be a 4 because IP is currently version 4) Have I lost you? basically it is a number I can use to telll what I am looking at. another example...take a MS-DOS executable...look at the first 2 bytes... they will ALWAYS be MZ This is a magic number for MS DOS executables It is basically some number which you can know exactly how to find which will identify what you are looking at. These are often chosen on purpose (there is really no reason for an MS DOS executable to begin with MZ except for the fact that it helps to identify it does that clear it up? check out /etc/magic it is a file which defines filetypes by their magic numbers -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: telnet break-in
On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 10:35:12AM -0400, Ossama Othman wrote:
Hence the One-Time Password suggestion. Either way, better to have/use
SSH than use telnet/ftp/r{login,sh,exec}.
I have both SSL-Telnet and SSH installed. I don't type root passwords over
clear connections unless it is an emergency.
Hmm - why is it that emergencies always happen when I'm away from
Cambridge? ;(
Well, one Debian user seems to have had a break-in. However, the break-in
wasn't due to any Debian security hole. The break-in was due to
standard/known UN*X security holes. For example, allowing incoming
telnets is one (typing clear text passwords over the net).
Well I don't know about your assessment
the original message cited some log file segments...that look like
a possible break-in or an attempted break-in but.
All it really meant AFAICT is that someone telnetted to the system and
possibly tried to log in. Is that necissarilly a break-in?
Allowing telnet connections is not a security hole in and of itself, it
is a potential security hole. From what I have heard (and seen from admissions
here) people trying to telnet around to dynamic IP ranges looking for hosts
is somewhat common...
I know if I see an IP and wonder what a machine is I occasionally telnet
to it (for example when I am researching a new ISP I usually try to
determine what type of servers they run to make sure they aren't NT...
recently I couldn't figure it out so I resorted to telnet and sure enough
I got a login prompt and it said Digital Unix abovce it so I was satisfied)
-Steve
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Re: What is a magic number?
On Wed, Aug 26, 1998 at 09:32:05AM -0700, Michael Rudmin wrote: More specifically, a magic number is an identifier described in the Point-to-point protocol. It is a specific packet that is used to determine when a system is looped back to itself. hmm oh... that too :) same principal :) I didn't see in the original message that he was asking specifically about ppp What this has to do with the original question -- restoring a hard drive -- though, is beyond me. I think that the original questioner was asking more for a magic wand that would make his hard-drive better. Hmm no Magic numbers would apply... I am sure the ext2fs filesystem must have some things in it that could be used to identify structures I know very little about the filesystem itself tho...anyone have any pointers to info on it? (other then /usr/src/linux/fs/ext2/*.c ;) ) -STeve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: QUESTION
On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 04:47:30PM -0700, Dimas Franco wrote: HI :-) CAN I RUN PROGRAMS FOR WN95 ON LYNUX LIKE AUTOCAD 14 Hmm okthe short answer is NO...but fear not :) There is a DOS emulator for DOS programs and there is WINE (Wine Is Not and Emulator ;) ) which impliments the Windows API for Linux AND has the ability to run Windows executables. Many Windows programs work under WINE many don'tI don't know if Autocad does or not but... It is possible to get CAD programs for Linux. You have to look aroundwho knows...maybe someday... AutoCad for Linux? maybe? :) hmm what company puts out AutoCAD? -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpbiIRYRJT52.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: QUESTION
On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 09:55:10PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *- Stephen J. Carpenter wrote about Re: QUESTION | On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 04:47:30PM -0700, Dimas Franco wrote: | HI :-) CAN I RUN PROGRAMS FOR WN95 ON LYNUX LIKE AUTOCAD 14 | | Hmm okthe short answer is NO...but fear not :) | | There is a DOS emulator for DOS programs and there is WINE | (Wine Is Not and Emulator ;) ) which impliments the Windows API | for Linux AND has the ability to run Windows executables. | | Many Windows programs work under WINE many don'tI don't know if Autocad | does or not but... | It is possible to get CAD programs for Linux. You have to look | aroundwho knows...maybe someday... | AutoCad for Linux? maybe? :) Not likely. A quote from http://www.autodesk.com/support/techdocs/td16/td165384.htm, While Autodesk no longer develops Unix applications Booo! Previously they had versions on AIX, HP-UX, IRIX, and SOLARIS. Well...they can always change their minds and change that to: While Autodesk no longer develops Windows applications :) They will develop where the money is ;) and who knows...with all the press Linux is starting to get and all... maybe? hey it could happen CourseI wouldn't hold my breath Then again...I don't need CAD...tho I could use something better than xcircuit for drawing circuits -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Second drive for DOSEmu?
On Tue, Aug 25, 1998 at 01:34:24PM -0700, Paul Marxhausen wrote: After reading through all the DOSEmu info, I'm sorta-kinda-nearly grasping this issue, but I still want to ask: I'll be converting a utility PC from MS-DOS over to Hamm soon, and will be running at least one DOS program under DOSEmu. I've already tested it and it's happy, if slow. I thought a handy way and safe way to migrate would be to take my existing DOS IDE drive (80 Mb), and make it the second drive in the system. Another 80 Mb drive would become the main drive with Debian Linux installed. (Yes, it'll fit.) I hope to be able to have two options: 1) have LILO give an option to boot either disk at startup, so we can have real pure MS-DOS if things go awry; and/or 2) use LREDIR or some other mechanism to have the whole second drive accessible as the DOSEMu drive. Now, am I right . . . is that second drive simply called /dev/hda2 in things like the fstab? I mean, when installing Debian, I've seen it make the main partition hda1 and the swap hda2 or hda6 . . . will that second drive appear in the Linux partitioning program? No... you can read the Hard Drive devcice numbers for IDE like: /dev/hda1 a = physocal drive 1 = partition number it goes like this: /dev/hda = primary IDE controler Master drive /dev/hdb = primary IDE controller Slave drive /dev/hdc = secondary (if you have one) Master . so you probably want /dev/hdb1 Am i on the right track here? I suspect this is an obvious application that's been done often. Well I have managed to stay wawy from DOS...not much there I want -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: diskless systems
On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 05:25:08AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if Debian supported diskless systems? My tests have worked well :) I plan to get a very high performance system for myself and wanted to set-up a diskless terminal for my daughter that would have full access to X Window via either a null-modem cable or a 10baseT connection and was wondering just how cheap a system I could get for my daughters PC? I was hoping I could get away with just a 386 or less set-up as a dummy term with a good video card for X Window and not much else that would boot from my PC. Is this possible, or do I have to at least have a minimum root installation on the remote PC to be able to connect? Thank you for your assistance. It turns out I have been working on a HOWTO-ish file on this... http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux (its actually a link off from there) Its called the poor mans XTerminal (because I can't afford a Real XTerminal ;) ) It is not exactly done yet I am yet to hack up support for using floppy disks on it locally (ho woften do you do that?) and sound support is kinda being worked on :) (I did get NAS working -- kinda) But...as a simple XTerminal the system should work...never tried it on a 386 per se butI did a quick and dirty test on a SUN IPC I have lyiong around and it seems to work Just for reference the SUN IPC gives me about the performance of a fast 386. Personally I would go for a 486 with PCI or a really low end pentium since they seem cheap enough these days. This would allow you to splurge a bit on the video card ;) [kinda hard to find really good NEW video cards these days that don't need PCI...tho with a 486 if ya can find a VESA card...] -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Help with Kernel configuration
On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 02:40:06PM +0200, Hofman, J.A.M.H. wrote: Hi All, Last week I installed Debian 2.0 on my system. All worked well and it was possible to acces my VFAT partition on the harddisk. Yesterday I installed the kernel-source-2.0.34 package to build a custom kernel and tried to run 'make config'. I was surprised to see that I could not configure the kernel to access for FAT, MSDOS or VFAT file systems. The options for these file systems, as well as the ISO9660 FS just were not there Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Yesthey kinda moved... let me bring up my make menuconfig ok... Filesystems is still the general catergory... enable Native Language Support they should all apear under that. -Steve Thanks for your response, Jan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: diskless systems
On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 01:45:29PM +0100, Breathnach, Proinnsias (Dublin) wrote: You could take a look at http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/ Seems to do basically what you want, as always customise to suit :) Yes very true... in fact thats one of the resources I used in writing my docs initally very very good doc.. I planed on giving him credit (Richard Kaszta was the first person to offer me help when I anounced my doc!) I just need to get around to it much like everything else -Steve Proinnsias -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 1:22 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: diskless systems On Mon, Aug 24, 1998 at 05:25:08AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if Debian supported diskless systems? My tests have worked well :) [] It turns out I have been working on a HOWTO-ish file on this... http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux (its actually a link off from there) Its called the poor mans XTerminal (because I can't afford a Real XTerminal ;) ) It is not exactly done yet I am yet to hack up support for using floppy disks on it locally (ho woften do you do that?) and sound support is kinda being worked on :) (I did get NAS working -- kinda) But...as a simple XTerminal the system should work...never tried it on a 386 per se butI did a quick and dirty test on a SUN IPC I have lyiong around and it seems to work -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: sendmail bug?
On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 09:03:42AM -0700, David Stern wrote: $ man aliases [..] Loops can not occur, since no message will be sent to any person more than once. [..] Loops cannot occur, ... So, if I make an alias for tsawyer to hfinn, and an alias for hfinn to dstern, and I send a mail to tsawyer, then who should get it? First I thought that meant hfinn should get it, but that clearly does not occur. When I read loops cannot occur, I get a sense of absolute, iow if I make an alias from tsawyer to hfinn, then mail sent to tsawyer goes to hfinn, no matter what alias I make for hfinn. Otherwise, a loop would occur if I were to alias dstern back to the tsawyer. If this isn't a bug, then the man page is either erroneous, or appeals to a form of logic that I don't understand. All I really want is to mail for root to go to dstern, and for mail to real-root to go to root, not get looped back to dstern. How can I do this? Well...what MTA you use? what MDA? I remember exim has this config already (for real-) what you can do is get rid of the alias for root and do this: use exim as the mailer and procmail as the MDA (yes yes I know exim has its own filte rbut I don't know how to use it) then use a procmail recipe to deliver all mail to the proper user. any mail to real-root will bypass procmail entirely exim is a really easy to configure MTA try it out :) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Which MTA?
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:24:00AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Ken Chew wrote: Also would it be possible to create email account without actuall adding user account on the system. Currently what we do is 'adduser' for every user account. Is this necessary? Thanks! Personally, I used Exim but I support customers that use sendmail and I have used smail extensively in the past. The problem with pop3 is the username/password login that must happen to collect mail. You pretty much have to have a passwd entry but you do not need a home directory or a shell. You can set the home dir to /dev/null and the shell to /bin/false. sounds like the way to go Exim is the sweetest emailer ever to grace the surface of my disks. See http://www.exim.org for more details. Sendmail is very versatile in many ways but is very stupid in others. A lot of mail queued to a site that is off the air can really bog queue processing. qmail is OK but exim's filter spec can make such things as procmail obsolete. Virtual domains are trivial with exim too. Well I will agree that exim is GREAT and easy to ocnfigure... I have had exim working for a while and decided that I no longer wanted | procmail in my .forwardI wanted to set exim up to use procmail as its MDAdidn't take long at all... (Yes I still use procmail...because I LIKE procmail...and if I switch MTAs chances are I can still use my same rules) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: identd
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:10:20AM +0200, Matus fantomas Uhlar wrote: - This mail will be forwarded to all IRC operator lists and all sites using - such identd will be K:-lined. - - hey that's not very nice. Besides, it appears that changing the ident is - not possible without other account names, etc. So if the users want - multiple bots, they'll need to pay for it. I, personally, don't know - anything about bots... - - Ridiculous is more what I'd call it. You'll not be able to tell the - differernce if it complies to the RFC standard anyway, so save - your breath. if anyone will find he's usiong fake identd ppl will k-line him... IRC is not made for putting bots and bots abuse IRC. if someone wants to abuse IRC he will be banned. Well I have to agree... I personally almost never use IRC but...if a server admin doesn't want somone logging on and setting up multiple bots then that is their right. It is generally a free service afterall... if someone thinks it is sooo important that they have multiple bots they could always shell out a few bux a month for a T-1 and start their own IRC server. of course...I have mixed feelings on spoofed identd itself... I had actually thought of playing with that...cuz I know some sites expect to find identd but... I dunno how much I like hte idea someone can so easily get my local username I was thinking of something like just having it return back a random string of charicters every time it is querried... is there any real reason NOT to do this? just as server admins have the right to bann or require anything they want...but...who says I have to allow people to identd me? and who says when you ask MY server for something it has to respond with the right answer :) No I wouldn't use this to subvert IRC servers...cuz I don't like IRC (I am too used to delphi conference system) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: CD-RW experiences?
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 02:04:41AM -0700, Dan Hugo wrote: I am thinking about getting a CD-RW drive to archive things, and maybe even to maintain an up-to-date Debian CD set. Does anyone have any experience with these drives? Since I happen to work at Philips, I would most likely be getting one of those models (the 3610, I believe, but I don't work in the optical storage group, so I don't know much about them) if they work. BUT, if someone has found a particular CD-RW drive to work well with their Debian system, I would like to know what would be the best way to go. Or, I could get a CD-R drive, about which there is much more info (I read through the CD-ROM/CD-writing HOWTOs, and a list of compatible drives, but it was mostly CD-R biased). Well... I would recommend CD-R for a few reasons: a) price a CD-R disk costs about $1.40 each for me...and thats not even buying in bulk. I have never had a problem with them I hear the CD-RW are more expensive b) Universally Usefull I read about CD-RW correct me if I am wrong but, while the finished disk is the same as a normal CD in how it works...the reflective layer isn't reflective enough to be read by MOST normal CD drives...and thus can really only be used in other CD_RW drives c) I like permamnat storage I like writting data onto a CD and knowing it i sthere... so what if I need a new CD to make a new copy.. thats ok... now I have an old version too... Can never have too much data archived :) besides if worst comes to worst old CDs make nice wall ornaments...and good coasters...they make poor frisbees tho... -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Connection Refused
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 08:20:52AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kennedy Mutio writes: I have just installed debian linux onto a machine and added it to my network but I cannot telnet frm any other machine on the network to this new machine. I have checked the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files in /etc and changed them. I might have done this wrong but does anyone know what else I should change/configure? Thanks, Ken. Ken, Debian distribution is packaged as the most secure distribution for Linux. What you can expect with Debian is very paranoid settings for networking as compared with other distributions. You most likely will have to turn on the required services. Some basics: 1) Eye-ball the /etc/inetd.conf file and make sure the appropriate services are activated. 2) Do a 'ps -ax' and make sure '/usr/sbin/inetd' is running. You may have a problem and your system might not start up inetd. 3) As suggested by other members of this list, make sure that you have installed/configured the 'server' version of the service. When you telnet from the new machine, you are using the client version of a service (like ftp or telnet). When you come into the new machine from a remote machine, you are using the server version of the service (on the new machine). 4) You might want to eye-ball the '/etc/hosts' files of the machines for consistancy. The older machines may not know about the new machine. In the case of a name server (DNS) on your network, you might want to check it's table(s). While these are all good... often you will find the most despisable default setting in /etc/hosts.deny ALL: PARANOID Print out a copy of thisThen burn it! then comment it out in the file -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: OFF-TOPIC (How do you guys sort your mail?)
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 09:22:52PM +0800, Richard L. Alhama wrote: On 19 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Yes, no, and not unless you want to. Even without enabling the generic command server and the @SH processing, the rules file for mailagent is a full fledged state machines, and one can apply the rules recursively, and the actio is idfferent depending on what state on is in. I wish to obtain the example setup =8). Is the sample setup on the deb file sufficient for my needs? Or is it sufficient for yours or us all subscribed to debian-user? This is the only thing I need, separate debian-user from my $INBOX. I missed most of this discussion but... whats wrong with the old standby procmail? Here is the procmail filter I use here at work (not as complex as the one at home but...I don't care as much since here I fetchmail -k) anyway...procmail is easy and great...and I am yet to see a unix-like system without it... and...here is my filter: :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org /home/sjc/mail/debian-user :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-devel@lists.debian.org /home/sjc/mail/debian-devel :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org /home/sjc/mail/debian-mentors :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/sjc/mail/debian-private :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org /home/sjc/mail/debian-sparc :0 * ^Sender: Bugtraq List [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/sjc/mail/bugtraq --end--- -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: identd
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 04:09:57PM +0200, Matus fantomas Uhlar wrote: - if anyone will find he's usiong fake identd ppl will k-line him... - IRC is not made for putting bots and bots abuse IRC. if someone wants to - abuse IRC he will be banned. - - Well I have to agree... - I personally almost never use IRC but...if a server admin doesn't want somone - logging on and setting up multiple bots then that is their right. It is - generally a free service afterall... - if someone thinks it is sooo important that they have multiple bots - they could always shell out a few bux a month for a T-1 and start their - own IRC server. They usually can't connect server to IRC network then, nobody will connect IRC server just because someone want to have many bots... bots abuse the irc NETWORK, not just server (and users) - of course...I have mixed feelings on spoofed identd itself... - I had actually thought of playing with that...cuz I know some - sites expect to find identd but... I dunno how much I like hte - idea someone can so easily get my local username - I was thinking of something like just having it return back a random - string of charicters every time it is querried... - is there any real reason NOT to do this? hmmm there should be possibility to detect who is being queried and disable him access to IRC server; so for one user should be thew string always the same, even if it's not its username. Otherwise, the same will happen as if no ident would be on that machine - ppl would disable connecting to server/channels from the machine, not just form that user. I was litterally meaning any reason not to do it on MY machine... its an (almost) single user machine...and has no permamnant connection to the net anyway ...I just am not sure I like the idea of identd running and giving out my local username... (maybe im paranoid?) I supose I could always just disable identd...but hat funis that? There is no overkill in that :) There's so much abuse on IRC, ppl need to have way how to prevent someone from connecting IRC; of course user can move to another provider but that;s still better then nothing. definitly Thats one of the reasons I avoid irc...in the past more than 6 months I think irc.debian.org has been the ONLY irc server I visited. well no there was ONE other...awee man I forget :) I remember I spent a short time a while back checking out IRC...never got into it... people doing all sorts of nasty crap... using the IRC ping to knock others offline... I once ws with a feind and pinged him more than a coupla times... and next thing I knew I was under attack by some automated Defense script of his! Of course noone abused it like one guy I know... he would get on IRC and when he wanted to be an asshole he did NOT ping through the IRC server... he had his own linux box on a colledge network.. he would just get their IP adress and ping flood them many times... sent his own brother (who was on a 28.8 modem) over 5 MB worth of ICMP echo requests! in a matter of a few seconds -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: OFF-TOPIC (How do you guys sort your mail?)
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 01:40:25PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Stephen == Stephen J Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephen I missed most of this discussion but... whats wrong with Stephen the old standby procmail? Nothing, if you do not find it under powered. hmm well the mail goes to delphi...and forwards it to gis... fetchmail gets it from gis and injects it into my SMTP server. finnally... underpowered shitty procmail gets it..and sorts it correctly and puts each message in its respective mailbox... hmm well...it gets the job done for me ;) if I have some extra functionality I need...and I need to process these messages this way... I can always call a shell script to process it further -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: Linux security
On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 11:46:43AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was having a discussion with my ISP about Linux. He said he uses Windows NT because it is much more secure than Linux. He stated that since the source code was available that it was very unsecure. He mentioned something about attaining root access by downloading /etc/passwd and de-crypting the passwords. He bases this on a source called cicia.org. He said it reflected several cases of insecurity regarding Linux. I would like to know from a more qualified source as to how to respond to this. I have been using Debian for a few months now and thoroughly enjoy it. Not only as an operating system, but for the documentation and the learning experience. Thank you for your time and attention. I am no security expert but...I have been reading BUGTRAQ and have some understanding of security issuesbut here is what I have to say. First The only computer system that is truely secure is one whith all of the cords pulled out (ESPECIALLY POWER) locked in a thick steel safe and dropped to the bottom of the ocean The opion I have seen expressed form most security experts is that opensource tends to make thing sMORE SECURE. The reason is that people are able to read the source and find the problems...this allows them to be identified and fixed. NT not having open source meerly hides its vulnerabilities...and a hidden vulnerability is a ticking time bomb! ALso...personal experiance... At work we are a Microsoft shop...we had an NT machine where the admin password was lost. We were able to brute force the admin password in about 2 hours! In fact...the entire keyspace of the NT passwords can be searched in under 3 days on a modest desktop computer. This was with physical acess...to prove th epoint a co-worker then used his system to brute force another persons password...by pasively grabbing the password hash then brute forcing it...with NO physical acess to the NT machine wa sjust on the network As for his claims about Unix passwords... 1) Unix passwords are hashed NOT encrypted. This means that there is no magic that can give you the password if you know the right keys To get a unix password this way you must take possible passwords and hash them and test the hash against the original hash... this can be a dictionary attack (using a word list for weak word-based passwords) or brute force (trying every possible password from a to ) This WILL takew you allot longer than 3 days ;) 2) With shadow passwords the password hashes are hidden...only root can read them. Here is the difference: old style: root:JKzdgcbnwej:0:0:Info Field:/bin/bash ^^^ password hash used in cracking shadow (this is actually from the password file on MY system..cut and paste: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash ^ The hash is stored in /etc/shadow...which is NOT readable by anyone but root. This is a fairly standard security setup. To get back to open source... Often on Bugtraq I will see someone with a report saying There is a insert hole type in insert program name. The following is the source code for how to exploit it...insert exploit code and here is a patch to fix the problem: insert patch and with NT vulnerabilities... There is an exploit in this...here is how to exploit it (14 days later) Microsoft has releaces a patch... See a difference? see the advantage of Open Source? Note: i mean Open SOurce not free software... any program where source is available a patch like this can be made... even if its not free ..this is completely impossible with NT (unless you are into disassembly) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpDf44rVN3OJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Little/Big endian discussion (was: Re: can I burn the output of mpg123 -s?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 10:54:52AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 08:46:20AM -0400, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: currently xfstt bombs out if it gets a connection of a differnt endianess than the system it is on...I have been meaning to fix that but maybe the PowerPC may have an easier fix... nah...ill just look into fixing it right Ouch.. use htons(), htonl(), ntohs(), ntohl() to convert; you don't have to know what endianness the machine is you're using, you rely on libc knowing and implementing those functions appropriately. well... thats the problem... htons et al are empty functions on big-endian systems and thge situation actually requires they perform the swap because in this case endian-ness matters and sending it in Network order is NOT apropriate unless Network Order is the same as host order on the client. see teh problem? if the other side doesn't ntoh the data then it doesn't work ;) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpump2lR501D.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux security
On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 11:22:37PM +, George R wrote: On 08/18/98 at 11:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, George R wrote: I know you are talking about NT vs Linux; but does anyone know how well Win95 password protection works? It doesn't the morons made the default configuration one where all the invader has to do is hit the ESC key to by pass the login. What is the _first_ thing some lacking in skill vandal would do upon seeing a login screen? I can't get in here. Better get rid of the evidence as he hits the ESC key. Any company that makes that configuration the default isn't capable of making a secure OS. It is beyond there mental ability. BTW, this is still the default for Win95 OSR2. Even better, there is no obvious way to change the default and the change takes some involved steps. George In my experiance the only thing that happens when you press escape at the login screen is some machines on the network won't be visable/accesable I haven't tried it on a networked Win95 box. That is a real scarry result, bypass MS non-security and get limited network access. I _really_ don't want to depend on security in a MS OS now. Why bother with security like this? At work we have a setup like this...it requires that you log in to even use the computer. If you hit cancel (or esc) it denies acess...but... hit alt-esc and presto the login screen is still there but the task manager comes up... then you merrily goto file-run and run explorerbang...startr menu...works...fully acessable and to add insult to injury... the login screen is STILL THERE waitin gfor you to login while you do your nasty deeds (of course even without thois/...as a demonstration we captured and brute forced someone s password in under a day) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux pgpgiEdLUcl27.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Designing a Linux lab.
On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 09:46:00AM -0300, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra wrote: Liran Zvibel wrote: I have one question, though, NT has an option to be installed and configured from the network (I don't mean installing via NFS, but actually get all the installation profile form the network, including the installed programs and conf. files (Of course the administrator has to give the ip and host name)). Is there such an option for Linux? If there is it will be much easier to convince my boss to make the systems dual boots. I can put a main /usr partition on our RAID, and just copy the /etc directory. But even in this way I'll have to change the ip and hostname manually for every computer. I want the students to be able to work locally on the Linux machines, and might add a third boot option to run XDM, connect to our chooser and work from the servers. I think there's a diskless mini-HOWTO at http://sunsite.unc.edu./LDP/ and a xterminal tutorial at http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/index.html or something like that I don't think either of these are what he wants... also as a note...I am myself working on a truely diskless XTerminal HOWTOish doc. right now it is as people.delphi.com/sjc/xterm.txt (that will change to a more permamnat web page RSN) anyway I think the proper answer is that the real answer to the question is much simpler... All you need to do is have 1 server with home dirs and have each machine mount /home from that via nfs. Each user has a home dir and can store all their configs in there...that way when a (l)user logs in they have all their configs. As for IP and hostname...that doies need to be configured on a per machine basis...unless you want each user to have an ip/hostname so that whatever machin ethey log into is always the same IP? I don't THINK thats what you mean so...(at least I hope not) Anyway...you can configure linux systems via bootp or rarp... That way one central sevrer can dish out the IPs and hostnames (or you can use DHCP) As for xdmcheck out my XTerminal doc AND the one by Mr Kaszeta (URL above) (he actually has been a bit helpfull with me writting mine) My setup would allow you to boot a machine with a disk with nothing but a kernel image on it (or this same image could be placed in lilo ;) ) and it will nfs mount its root and boot...right into X and give a chooser. Once it is setup adding a new host is as easy as editing /etc/bootptab it doesn't (YET) cover hetrogeneous XTerminal labs (ie if ALL of the machines are similar hardware it will work flawlessly) I AM working on it however -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
Re: CDE
On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 10:57:47PM +0800, Richard L. Alhama wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Joe Stewart wrote: Chris, Try xfce http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/xfce/en/index.html. It does include the window manager xfwm, but does not require it. It is a toolbar which resembles cde. The binaries are in rpm. Just run alien on them and install with dpkg. Hope this helped. Joe On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Christopher Wesneski wrote: Is there a window manager for debian similar (if not the same as) to CDE? The closest one I can find is Openlook Virtual but I would rather not use it. Cheers, or FVWMCDE. No debianized package for this. And the server is located in here in the Philippines which may take some time to d/l. hmm sounds cool... http://lilith.mozcom.com/~orly um...is this the right url? I checked there...all I found was no files and a single directory admin which brings up a web based admin page for what looks like handling acounts on the server...but um...all password protected. I tried the root of the server...still nuthin.,...just about 10 lines of text and links off to other places. -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux
