Re: [OT] Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
Shao Zhang wrote: Hi, sorry about the OT message. While on the topic of realtek8029, I have got a pcmcia 8029 ethernet card and it works perfectly under linux. But I can never get this card working under w2k :( Anyone have any ideas? Shao. Hmmm. I can't even get the damn ordinary PCI-version going under Win98... Sorry I can't help you! Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: ppp module gone in 2.2 (potato)
André Wayand wrote: Hi, I've upgraded my m68k distro 2.1 to 2.2 using dpkg -i kernel-imagexxx but the ppp.o module did not get upgraded. There is no /lib/modules/2.2.10 folder, either. Does anyone have an idea what to do to get all my modules from the previous 2.0.36 folder updated into the new folder so that they can be loaded? Most importantly I'd love to get the ppp module to connect to the internet, I tried installing modutils and ppp, but still to no avail. Help very much appreciated, I just can't find those things. André -- Dunno if this is the certified way of doing it, but I usually recompile the kernel to take care of such things. You really should compile your own kernel, anyway, that way you can build exactly the right kernel for your specific hardware. It's really very easy! There's a kernel-howto out there... or check www.kernel.org. hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Installation os X
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get it...I need help installing x.The one question I have is, When you run X what does it mean to set up a server, should I have found a choice for a server in deselect and installed it..Basically, should a server type be installed from deselect...I have only three correct choices selected for x installation...The other 8 I guess are in correct...Is SVGA better than VGA, or is it better to have all of the servers in choice 4, and what happens if your card is not listed or does not recoginize the chip? Linux is very hard to learn, why is it not easier? Please help... I have tried and tried, read all the manuals and docs, but to no availHelp -- Yo -be cool. One question at a time. First, you gotta describe your hardware. Different servers go with different-type cards. Please tell us: name/brand of videocard motherboard/processor what kind of mouse r u using Have a go at the X-Howtos at: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Very strange system/sound problem
Robert Waldner wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:08:02 BST, Barry Samuels writes: Mains electricity supply (although the computer is on an UPS). Faulty component somewhere. s/faulty/not properly grounded/ ? A tip: - Does it happen with headphones also? - Your speakers may have other grounding than your PC[1], so current may build up under some circumstances. hth, rw 1: I guess they aren´t powered via the UPS? -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien / -- Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but since it won't reboot immediately after, only if you let it rest a while, sounds to me very much like a heat-kind-of-thing. Be absolutely certain that nothing is overheating. Maybe try touching some of the chips in the box (*while also touching metal on the box* -don't want nothin' dying from static!). Maybe something gets too hot? Just my 2c. hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Linux Theam
Miroslav Stoykov wrote: Hello I`m big maniak of Linux but i have big problem with installation Before 3 Weeks ago i buy new Personal Computer But my new Computer is with SCSI - Controler HPT - 370 for a IBM HDD I have 10 CD -s with Red Hat 6.0,6.2 -- Mandrake 6.0, 7.1 to But this Linuxs not supported my SCSI -Controler i can`t install Linux and paritioning my hard drive i`m needet for another version of Linux when supporting my hard drive what i must make with this Please Help me i can`t live without linux Please Help me i be wait answer Fallen Angel -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze -- Why not try a set of SCSI-floppies?! Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error)
Carel Fellinger wrote: Hai, On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:19:29PM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote: On Aug 16 2000, André Dahlqvist wrote: quiet a lot of people who seam to like using Netscape to handle their mail, and I think it's nice to give those people that option. ... BTW, I also notice how much people use Netscape to handle their mail and when I install Linux for my friends I install it also, for the following convenience: you don't need an MTA in your machine for the (conceptually) simple tasks of receiving and sending e-mails -- it incorporates both a POP3 and a SMTP client in a single program. That is the reason why I don't install mutt for other people (that might not know how to fix the problems when they happen). But *if* I knew of other e-mailers with the same functionality already packaged for Debian, I would consider them. You could use mutt's recently build in support for POP and IMAP servers (or you could use fetchmail:) and use ssmtp just to send the mail (seems a simple program to install). But I don't see how you can do without local mail on a linux system, local services need to be able to send reports if things go wrong. I second. As a matter of fact, cron depends on exim (IIRC) on my potato-box. This was kind of hard to understand for me (being a newbie), since I've never used exim for anything. Now, I think I'll have a go at doing my mail the *nix way, since exim is there for local mail anyway. Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Win Potato on LAN
Christoph Gaitzsch wrote: V == Vitux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: V Dan Hutchinson wrote: You know there has to be a default gateway with the NIC in Windows! Also which version of Windows 95/98 or WindowsNT/2000. Dan V Sorry, Win98 1st.ed. V I tried setting gateway to Potato's IP (192.168.0.1), now if I V ping the same IP, I get host does not exist. V Do you have any suggestion as to the default gateway in Win? Hi, do you think, the network card in the Windows box is set up correctly. I had some Problems with win95 and more than one card, massice resource conflicts. Also check the cabeling. If the LED on the hub doesn´t show anything, it must be the windows box or the cable. If the card is set up to autonegoitation, try to set mode and speed manually. Just a few suggestions, Christoph -- I've got only one card in it, which seems to share IRQ11 w/ the rest of the PCI devices. This is normal, I believe?! It's recognized fine and the box can ping itself, tho hangs on doing diagnostics on the card. But hey, windohs hangs every so often, so I don't find it all that mysterious... ;-) I will definitely try some other cables, as also suggested by some other folks here. Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Win Potato on LAN
hogan wrote: cabling problem or a hub problem. id try swapping the cables around to see if the problem shows up on the linux box with the cable from the win* box. if it doesn't im not sure what to suggest other then Just a suggestion... If you have DOS utility disk for both network cards and a DOS boot disk, try running the Network card diagnostics - all the RealTek, 3Com and SMC cards I've used have a little DOS config program with inbuilt diagnostics. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Hmmm. I know what you mean. The little program (in *very* bad english!?) tells me the MAC-adress of the card, duplex mode, etc. and hangs the damn thing hard on doing the diagnostics. I hate Windohs. Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: 1/2 ifconfig
cls-colo spgs wrote: debs, update: ifconfig -a gives me not only lp and ppp0, but it also give me eth0. for now i'd like to not have eth0. how do i not have it in the picture? ia, t. bentley taylor (potato on 2.2.16) man ifconfig hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: WOOHOO - the Potato is installed!
John Griffiths wrote: At 07:56 PM 8/22/2000 -0600, montefin wrote: ATTN: John Griffiths, You must report to Penn State immediately. By Penn State we do not mean Penn State, the honorable state university. We mean the Pennsylvania State Penitentiary. There, you must immediately identify yourself as an auto-incarcerant, guilty of Copyright Obfuscation, and serve five-to-ten years of your miserable life making newly rich Internet Moguls' vanity license plates. John, if I were you, when you knock at the prison door, wear nothing but a smile. But, John, not too big a smile. Ok? See you in five-to-ten years, montefin I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for, in my excitement, forgetting to turn off the default signature my employer demands i have on my mail. I do actually agree with the points joey made. whether new and stupid (as in me) debian users benefit from public bollockings on this sort of matter i do not know. i suppose it will be a while before i make that mistake again. John -- Never mind the bollocks, welcome to Potato. I'm still fighting my way thru my former-slink-now-potato-mess... Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Potato keeps waking up?!
David Vrabel wrote: On 22 Aug 2000, Vitux wrote: What puzzles me most is: I just can't figure out what keeps spinning the disk?! I can't find any ref's to it in the logs or in cron-whatever... If necessary I could post some of my log-files?! atime updates I'd guess. The time that files were last accesses (read) is stored in the filesystem. Hence the disk access when these are written. Consult the mount (?) man page for details on the noatime option. What I'm trying to understand is: what's writing files, when the machine is idle?! (I am beginning to grasp the fact that Linux is never really idle; there's always some cron-stuff going on...) BTW: How do you empty logs? Can you just delete'em? Aren't all the logs rotated by daily/weekly cron jobs? There are by default in Debian. But yes, you can just delete them. David Vrabel Nope, not all the logs. ppp-logs are, but not syslog, f.ex. Oh well, someone indicated that I had already done a pretty good job by reducing wake-ups to three times pr hour, so maybe I should leave it. Now if I could only get my nic working... Still Learning after 1½ year! Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
Troy Telford wrote: Actually, I have no problems with a realtek 8029 card; however, I always re-compile the kernel after I get the thing on; that usually gets rid of the unresolved symbols problem... In fact, with all the kernel module(s) I've used, re-compiling the kernel from scratch (including the modules) typically removes all unresolved symbols problems. So, you might want to try that... As I have experienced the same thing, this was the first thing I did: d'l latest kernel source for 2.2.16, compile kernel, modules and install the modules, all according to README in the kernel docs. System boots runs just fine, the modules are all there (8390, bsd_comp, ne2k-pci, ppp-deflate). Kmod seems to be working; I made dos-fs as a module, which gets inserted when I mount a dos-disk. As for myself, I typically compile in ne2k-pci into the kernel, rather than as a module; but I must admit I've never had any trouble with it as a module, either. Hope I can be helpful... as I have been using a RealTek 8029-based PCI network card for around 2 years now, with all kinds of kernel versons (yours included, no doubt), I'll be glad to help in any way I can... Troy so..try insmod 8390 insmod ne2k-pci should work :) nate Bob Nielsen wrote: For what it's worth, I am running one of these cards with the driver compiled into 2.2.16, rather than as a module. Here's a snippet from dmesg: ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 10. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe800, IRQ 10, 52:54:00:E6:65:FB. Nothing even remotely like this appears when booting. Check my attached bit from syslog... Bob The Realtek nic is IRQ 9 in the BIOS setup; I just checked. Thanks! Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free ZoneAug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing syslogd 1.3-3#33: restart. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: klogd 1.3-3#33, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Inspecting /System.map Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Cannot find map file. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: No module symbols loaded. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Linux version 2.2.16 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.2 2220 (Debian GNU/Linux)) #1 Tue Aug 22 18:56:53 CEST 2000 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Detected 349183 kHz processor. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 696.32 BogoMIPS Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Memory: 128192k/131072k available (912k kernel code, 416k reserved, 1512k data, 40k init) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Dentry hash table entries: 16384 (order 5, 128k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Buffer cache hash table entries: 131072 (order 7, 512k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Page cache hash table entries: 32768 (order 5, 128k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 01 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xed728 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5800-583f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5840-584f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5850-585f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5860-5863 to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5864-5867 to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Enabling I/O for device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5880-589f to device 00:a2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Enabling I/O for device 00:a2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 131072 bhash 65536) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Starting kswapd v 1.5 Aug
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
More stuff: I did a # modprobe ne2k-pci and I get this: ne2k-pci..: PCI NE2000 clone 'Realtek RTL-8029* at I/O 0x20a0, IRQ 9. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0x20a0, IRQ 9, 00:00:B4:B8:94:CC # I suppose this means that the modular driver has been installed in the kernel and detected my NIC. So far, great. Wonder why kmod won't autoload it when I do ifconfig-yadayada up ? BTW: What does the hex-part at the end mean? Sorry if I'm being dense here, but a lot this is very unclear in the net-howto, and I am trying to learn. This is my first lan! :-) Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: YEAH: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
John Pearson wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:53:18AM +0200, Vitux wrote More stuff: I did a # modprobe ne2k-pci and I get this: ne2k-pci..: PCI NE2000 clone 'Realtek RTL-8029* at I/O 0x20a0, IRQ 9. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0x20a0, IRQ 9, 00:00:B4:B8:94:CC # I suppose this means that the modular driver has been installed in the kernel and detected my NIC. So far, great. Wonder why kmod won't autoload it when I do ifconfig-yadayada up ? BTW: What does the hex-part at the end mean? It has no reason to associate this driver with eth0; you need to give it a big hint as to which module to use for the interface. Try adding alias eth0 ne2k-pci to /etc/modutils/aliases and running update-modules as root. The hex string is your card's MAC, an allegedly unique identifier that is used for packet addressing at the physical link layer for machines on your local network. The first few octets probably identify the card's manufacturer, the rest are up to them. I say allegedly unique because some early clone NICs (back when a cheap name-brand NIC might be $300) had cloned firmware that gave each card the same MAC, or used ranges that had been assigned to other manufacturers; that meant if you used bad cards, you might have to sort out which ones couldn't share a network. MACs are associated with IPs using ARP (Address Resolution Protocol). You can monitor the MAC-to-IP translation on your network with something like this (assuming your network is 192.168.1.0/24): $ ping -c 2 192.168.1.255 $ /usr/sbin/arp -a You won't see your own machine in the arp cache, because your TCP/IP stack recognizes packets addressed to itself and doesn't get as far as attempting ARP for local addresses. John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdt.net.au/~john Debian Linux admin support:technical services -- I did the alias-thing, and the ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up. Now I can ping myself! all packets are returned (of course), and it seems to be working. Big Thanks, all you guys who helped me out. Think I'm gonna write an addendum to the howto. Now, to configure the same nic, only this time in a windoh's box...(yuck) Best Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Win Potato on LAN
I know this is sort of off-topic, but some of you guys must have done this: My machine (Potato): combined dial-up-server (routing thru the ppp-isdn-link) and workstation. Wife's machine: winblows for wife's work and kid's games. Both machines equipped with identical RealTek8029PCI nics, hooked up with RJ45-cable and a small 5-port hub. Potato works fine with ne2k-driver as module. (thanks to a lot of you guys!) When I ping winblows, the hub flashes, but all packets are lost. So it seems Potato is fine, but winblows isn't?!. The setup is: Potato: 192.168.0.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 Winblows: 192.168.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0 Potato can ping itself and seems to get out as well. Winblows can ping itself, but nothing outside. On winblows, I've set the IP-address in ControlPanel-Networking (I think it's called that in english; wife's on a danish version...), and told it to use lan for internet-connections (explorer-settings). However, if I ping Potato, I get cannot access host. I've tried different values for the netmask and adresses, to no avail. Winblows seems to have a dozen places to put stuff. I'm really getting to like the Linux way of doing it; I must have set about 2 conf-files before I was running. (besides recompiling a new kernel...) Anyone got a clue on this one? Best Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Win Potato on LAN
Dan Hutchinson wrote: You know there has to be a default gateway with the NIC in Windows! Also which version of Windows 95/98 or WindowsNT/2000. Dan Sorry, Win98 1st.ed. I tried setting gateway to Potato's IP (192.168.0.1), now if I ping the same IP, I get host does not exist. Do you have any suggestion as to the default gateway in Win? Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: bad new large hard disk? [chirps]
Richard E. Hawkins wrote: I sent this earlier, but it doesn't seem to have made it to hte list . . . This weekend, I tried installing the 20G IBM drive I picked up on vacation, and I think it has serious problem s :( It chirps, which seems to come haveter a major (loud) move of the heads. The bios can find the drive about half the time, and reports possible geometry choices, the least number of cylinders being 2053 or so. Neiter cfdisk nor fdisk, nor the FreeBSD utilities, can read the disk, reporting various timeout problems. The FreeBSD bootloader noticed that the disk existed--once. I've tried reading it on two different computers: the K6 on a Shuttle 603 where it's supposed to live, and on an IBM P133. Neither has been able to fdisk it. If this was a sub-1024 clinder disk, I'd have called to have it replaced by now. I'm hoping that I'm missing something that would let me initialize the disk and be on my way. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. Smeal 178(814) 375-4700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of Penn State until it pays my retainer. -- Seems like your disk is pretty much dead. There has been reports earlier of IBM's being bad or getting bad very quickly. My guess is they've accidentally sold a bad production run, and some of these are still lying around waiting to be sold replaced... Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Configuring two of same network card + keyboard not working in X]
Vitux wrote: hogan wrote: Debian unstable Kernel 2.2.17 SNIP When using XF86Setup I can get keyboard going, but it complains about no setup for display etc. When using xf86config I can get display going (at least it gives no errors) but then it complains about keyboard. I went into XF86Config file and disabled keyboard extensions - no error messages, but startx still dumps back to prompt - any ideas? SNIP I've had X running on one of these old Compaq's with Cirrus video. What I did was to stick in an old ET4000-card I had lying around, after experimenting my brains out with xf86config. Worked first time with good ole Tseng. I think you need to set a jumper to disable internal video, but I'm not sure ;-) This was 1½ year ago, so maybe Cirrus-support in X is better now... Well, sorry I can't help more... Good luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Potato keeps waking up?!
My apologies if this is a FAQ, but I'm stumped here. System: Compaq Deskpro PII350, 128Mb ram, Potato (upgraded from Slink). Fresh recompiled 2.2.16. Stand-alone box using an ISDN-connection via ppp. The bios has a lot of very nice power-saving facilities, which seem to function fine, but Potato keeps spinning the disk up every 20 minutes just for a very short burst of activity, and then spins down again after a while. I disabled the MARK in the logs (and some other redundant logging), and set cron to only run exim hourly (by which I learned a whole lot and cut the spin-ups by 50%), but I'm still not satisfied; I would like to have the box sleep completely and maybe only spin the drive once every hour or even less often. What puzzles me most is: I just can't figure out what keeps spinning the disk?! I can't find any ref's to it in the logs or in cron-whatever... If necessary I could post some of my log-files?! BTW: How do you empty logs? Can you just delete'em? Best Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
Trying to build a tiny lan here... Recompile fresh 2.2.16 with the ne2k-pci driver as module. No signs of nic when booting, insmod ne2k-pci.o gives me unresolved symbols-error, and ifconfig -yadayada gives me error to the effect that there's no hardware to configure. So the question is: to nic or not to nic? I've determined that the kmod-bit works (all the other modules are inserted automagically on request), and little lights are shining from nic and hub. Is there any other voodoo I have to do to get the card recognised/ installed/ configured/ whatever? It said in a howto somewhere (I forget which, I've pored over so many of'em lately;-), that the Realtek RTL8029 is a NE2000-clone, and so should use the driver for same... Right?! Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Where is Xdefaults? (new to X tweaking)
John Foster wrote: Vitux wrote: Hi debs I thought .Xdefaults was supposed to be in /etc/X11/yadayada, but I can't seem to locate it. Do I make this file myself? (I *am* using the -a option with ls...) Running potato, 2.2.14, Afterstep or fvwm. Regards Vitux = I assume that you are trying to edit this for Netscape as I saw a post to my original query about editing the ToolBars in Netscape. I have discovered that I also do not have this file anywhere on my system. A thorough search found only this file as part of Emacs sample.Xdefaults I am using the Netscape tarball from their website. I was wondering if those of you who had earlier suggested this procedure for editing the Toolbars are using that Netscape or the installation .debs from Debian. Is this a file that I can create and if so where to put it in my installation. Pure Potato! Thanks. -- I created one in my home dir as a normal textfile containing the Netscape tweaks and some other stuff I found at Linux.com. It works! Now I'm workin' on tweaking .xinitrc, which, if I get this right, has to be created as well. Good Luck! Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Kernel
Ethan Benson wrote: On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 12:51:23PM +0100, Nagu Sittampalam wrote: Hello Anybody running Kernel 2.2.16 with Debian Linux 2.1. I am thinking of moving to this due to the bug in sendmail which is fixed in kernel 2.2.16. Just want to know if there are things worth knowing before implementing. i thought 2.1 (slink) ran 2.0 kernels? 2.0 kernels are not affected by this problem since they do not have capabilities. if you are already runninga 2.2 kernel then upgrading to 2.2.16 is unremarkable. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ Installing a 2.2.* kernel on my previous slink system went quite smooth. I don't seem to recall any trouble ;-) Good luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Video problems during 2.2 install
Larry Elmore wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 06:30:59PM -0600, Larry Elmore wrote: I have a 20 fixed-freq monitor that uses a special Permedia2 video card. It works fine except for some DOS games that like 640x480 resolution (like Harpoon 2 -- it doesn't _require_ higher res, but it's a whole _lot_ nicer with it). SNIP There's some weird things going on with my BIOS, I guess. I've got an old ATT Globalyst pusrchased one week before they dropped out of the PC business. It's been upgraded to the last available BIOS (as has the UDMA and CD-RW drive), but there's something strange going on in there. I eventually ended up borrowing a 15 monitor and got Debian installed using that, then putting the new video card and 20 monitor back, and I'm now struggling to get X to work (if you don't pass the right command-line arguments to XF86Setup, the display dies (and dies for all virtual consoles, too)). Thanks to all for the informative responses to my question. Larry -- Just a tip: I've had *much* success using xf86config instead XF86Setup. Text-based, it will run on any system that can display anything at all. Quite convenient using strange 2nd hand hardware ;-) Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Demand Dialing with pppd and ipmasq
Matt Kopishke wrote: Hi, we are trying to set up a box that acts as a router for our office. I have ppp and ipmasq working. When I configure ppp to demand dial (the demand and idle options in /etc/ppp/peers/provider) we seem to run into problems. I start pppd with pon, but when I want to activate the dial up (ping a ip etc) nothing happens (ie no dial out). A ping gives us a not permitted error. Thanks, -Matt- -- Did you add the user that's trying to run pon to the dip-group? Strong indications of a permissions error ;-P hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Is there way to modify Toolbars in Netscape?
John Foster wrote: Title says it all. I want to modify the tool bar that has the Shop, Stop etc. buttons. Either make them smaller or be able to add to and delete them. I absolutely hate the Shop button. I often hit it instead of the Stop button--wonder if that's an accident :-) -- AdVance-Computing Systems We sell fine quality servers and workstations. We specialize in multiprocessor units. We install Debian Linux at no extra charge! John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173 -- Funny, I don't have the shop-button in my 4.72. Can't remember doing anything special to remove it. Oh well, FWIW, you might be running v6, and this is redundant. Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Where is Xdefaults? (new to X tweaking)
Hi debs I thought .Xdefaults was supposed to be in /etc/X11/yadayada, but I can't seem to locate it. Do I make this file myself? (I *am* using the -a option with ls...) Running potato, 2.2.14, Afterstep or fvwm. Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Modules
T wrote: Hi, i just got a cd drive for my computer and i was wondering what module i should install to use it? It is a 40x Diamond Data. Could someone please help me. I also got an internal modem. How do i get it to recognise this? When i try to set up a ppp account, it will not detect it as a modem. THanks Scott ___ Probably one of those winmodems-not-modems-thingies. There's limited support for some of that stuff, but still a shitty modem... I believe Lucent has a binary-only driver for their winmodems. IIRC, you need to enable cd-rom support in your kernel. Hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: HD Problems...!!!!
Larry Shields wrote:
I am not sure if anyone can help me out with this problem or not, but here
is what happened this morning...
When I turned on the monitor, there were a bunch of error's on the screen,
my 6.4hd keep'ed trying to be accessed, but it could'nt...Here is what it
was showing on the screen...
hda: read_intr: Status=0x59 {DriveReadySeekCompleteDataRequest ERROR}
hda: read_intr: Error 0x10 {SectorNotFound}LBAsect=4193029, sector=64
Has anyone had a problem like this...??? If so what can I do to correct the
problem, other than sending the HD back to Western Digital to see if they
can fix it without loosing any of my data on the hardrive...
Any help on this would be appreicated, Thanks...
Larry Shields WD9ESU
AMPRnet: wd9esu.ampr.org IPaddr 44.92.0.60
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ:6221703
I get the same kind of errors with an older WD drive. There
have been quite a few reports on the list about this.
I believe it has to do with apm/bios spinning the drive down
and back up again: If I set the drive to never spin down
(hdparm -S0 /dev/hdx), it never complains.
The error occurs when the system is waiting for the drive to
get back up again. Sometimes, it will take a minute or two,
then all will be fine, sometimes I have to shut the thing down
with ctrl-alt-del, which usually takes about an hour, and the
drive is fsck'ed on reboot.
The solution I've found after a complete and a partial
disk-crash is: avoid WD drives. Some of them (even new) are
faulty, some aren't. The alternative is to stop them from
shutting down with the hdparm-command.
hth
Vitux
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I'm not a crook
Richard Nixon
Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: HD Problems...!!!!
Anthony Campbell wrote:
On 06 Jun 2000, Vitux wrote:
Larry Shields wrote:
I am not sure if anyone can help me out with this problem or not, but
here
is what happened this morning...
When I turned on the monitor, there were a bunch of error's on the screen,
my 6.4hd keep'ed trying to be accessed, but it could'nt...Here is what it
was showing on the screen...
hda: read_intr: Status=0x59 {DriveReadySeekCompleteDataRequest ERROR}
hda: read_intr: Error 0x10 {SectorNotFound}LBAsect=4193029, sector=64
Has anyone had a problem like this...??? If so what can I do to correct
the
problem, other than sending the HD back to Western Digital to see if they
can fix it without loosing any of my data on the hardrive...
Any help on this would be appreicated, Thanks...
Larry Shields WD9ESU
AMPRnet: wd9esu.ampr.org IPaddr 44.92.0.60
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ:6221703
I get the same kind of errors with an older WD drive. There
have been quite a few reports on the list about this.
I believe it has to do with apm/bios spinning the drive down
and back up again: If I set the drive to never spin down
(hdparm -S0 /dev/hdx), it never complains.
The error occurs when the system is waiting for the drive to
get back up again. Sometimes, it will take a minute or two,
then all will be fine, sometimes I have to shut the thing down
with ctrl-alt-del, which usually takes about an hour, and the
drive is fsck'ed on reboot.
The solution I've found after a complete and a partial
disk-crash is: avoid WD drives. Some of them (even new) are
faulty, some aren't. The alternative is to stop them from
shutting down with the hdparm-command.
hth
Vitux
I've had very similar messages (can't remember exactly) from my CD drive
on a Toshiba Satellite 4000CDT. I even got Toshiba to replace the drive
under warranty, but it still happened once after that. However, it isn't
happening at present and I hope it doesn't recur. I thought it might
also be the CD disk, because it seemed to happen with some disks more
than others. But now I wonder whether it had something to do with the
kernel I was using at the time (can't remember which), because it
doesn't seem to happen with the latest (2.2.15).
In fact, I also have an older computer, with a very downmarket and slow
CD drive, which also gave this message and which I'd written off in
consequence; however, this too is now working, rather mysteriously,
again with the latest kernel.
Anthony
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Book Reviews: http://www.pentelikon.freeserve.co.uk/bookreviews/
Skeptical articles: http://www.freethinker.uklinux.net/
To be forced by desire into any unwarrantable belief is a calamity.
I.A. Richards
--
Hmmm, *very* interesting. Running 2.2.14 here, I'll upgrade to
*.15 at next compile.
Thanks.
Vitux
--
I'm not a crook
Richard Nixon
Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Debian 'crashes'
Michiel Meeuwissen wrote: Ragga Muffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrotes: Daniel Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Michiel Meeuwissen wrote: It seems that a way to accomplish this is running apt-get upgrade, netsape and seti at the same time, in my computer (potato, PIII 500 64 Mb). On Netscape's webpage they strongly recommend at least 64 Mb of RAM for use of Netscape with Linux. So if you run Netscape AND another resource-eating program on a 64 Mb machine, you can expect high loads, at least at startup. True in a sense, but I can use Nscape 4.5 and plenty of apps including dselect/apt on a Cyrix166 with 32Mb. No. There's something REALLY weird if Michiel bogs his PIII-500/64Mb with that... Simpler solution: Don't start Netscape if you don't really, really need it. I never really, really need it, but well, it's simply handy to have it running. If you don't use it, it'll be swapped to disk, so that's not really a solution, just a little band-aid. Michiel, post some more details here, like kernel version, swap-size, window/desktop manager etc. I strongly suspect some hardware/driver problem here. kernel: Linux warande1124 2.2.14 #1 Sat Jan 29 10:53:47 CET 2000 i686 unknown swap-size: /dev/hda3 332 364133056 82 Linux swap window manager: fvwm X: XF86_Mach64 I'm pretty sure that it is a matter of memory exhaustion. Netscape leaks memory until memory + swap are full, and everything gets terribly slow. I certainly does not leak memory always, but I didn't found out yet what I have to to to let it start Perhaps it has to do with other runing programs as well. Anyhow, I know that netscape is buggy, and I only want that it does not hang the whole system in such a case. I added a line * hardrss 1 to /etc/security/limits.conf, but I've no clear understanding what it means. If I make '1' very small, like '10' or so, then I can't do much (e.g. man won't work anymore), so I have the impression that it does something. But would it do anything to a program like netscape as well? greetings, Michiel -- % Michiel Meeuwissen % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.purl.org/NET/mihxil/ % Vidu ankaux: http://www.uea.org/katalogo Since I upgraded to NS4.72, I've had no problems with hangs or memory leaks from Netscape. When I was running 4.5 back on my old 486/100(50Mb) it would be very unstable, eat memory, all the stuff you're describing. The upgrade fixed it :-) Catch my drift? -maybe it would be easier to download and install a more stable version, than experimenting with limiting ressources and all sorts of trickery. Netscape is (was) known to be very unstable and eat ram. Look at the list a year ago, you will find lots of ref's to this subject... Running smooth on my PII350/128Mb/potato/2.2.14/fvwm/mach64. hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Dselect suddenly vanished from potato?
Colin Watson wrote: Vitux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The strangest thing: Dselect has vanished! (or maybe just crapped out?) Normally, I would log in as root, type dselect, and off we go installing stuff. Now, I get bash: dselect: command not found. Ok, maybe there's some path been lost: ~#whereis dselect Dselect: /usr/bin/dselect Let's try it, then: ~#/usr/bin/dselect bash: usr/bin/dselect: Input/output error It sounds like something dselect's calling is dying, perhaps - or alternatively you might have a disk problem. Could you run 'strace dselect' or 'strace /usr/bin/dselect' as root and post at least the end of the log that results, please? Thanks, will try. What exactly is strace (s-trace?)? If you don't have the strace package (you should, as it's standard), then download it manually and 'dpkg -i' the package file. The really weird part is, I've used it just today to install the mach64-xserver from which I'm typing this?! Along with mach64 (which I chose to install) potato wanted to install lots of stuff I'm not using, including emacs, xemacs, and a german dictionary (I don't even speak german). emacs20 is standard; xemacs21 may be getting pulled in by something. The German dictionary is odd - perhaps you're getting slightly confused by dselect here. ispell (a standard package) recommends ispell-dictionary, and igerman/ingerman happen to provide this. When you install ispell, dselect's dependency resolution screen will pop up a list of all the available packages providing ispell-dictionary, with the idea that you choose one of them. Once you get used to it, the lower pane that provides descriptions of the current problems - and of the packages, too, if you hit 'i' - can be very helpful. Hmmm, I see what you mean. I didn't choose to install ispell, but then that could be pulled in by something else... I chose not to install most of this, except for some gnomelibs and a few other libs, which I figured might be important. Did you have to override dselect in its ideas about dependencies? If so, you might have removed or failed to install something important ... you didn't uninstall libstdc++2.10 or any of the ncurses stuff, did you? Nope, I didn't override it. libstc and ncurses still here (need it for making kernels ;-). If that's the problem, you'll likely be able to recover it with plain dpkg, though it might take a bit of to-and-froing on this mailing list. :) Thanks for your help! Regards Vitux -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Solved: Dselect suddenly vanished from potato?]
Vitux wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Vitux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The strangest thing: Dselect has vanished! (or maybe just crapped out?) Normally, I would log in as root, type dselect, and off we go installing stuff. Now, I get bash: dselect: command not found. Ok, maybe there's some path been lost: ~#whereis dselect Dselect: /usr/bin/dselect Let's try it, then: ~#/usr/bin/dselect bash: usr/bin/dselect: Input/output error It sounds like something dselect's calling is dying, perhaps - or alternatively you might have a disk problem. Could you run 'strace dselect' or 'strace /usr/bin/dselect' as root and post at least the end of the log that results, please? If you don't have the strace package (you should, as it's standard), then download it manually and 'dpkg -i' the package file. The really weird part is, I've used it just today to install the mach64-xserver from which I'm typing this?! Along with mach64 (which I chose to install) potato wanted to install lots of stuff I'm not using, including emacs, xemacs, and a german dictionary (I don't even speak german). emacs20 is standard; xemacs21 may be getting pulled in by something. The German dictionary is odd - perhaps you're getting slightly confused by dselect here. ispell (a standard package) recommends ispell-dictionary, and igerman/ingerman happen to provide this. When you install ispell, dselect's dependency resolution screen will pop up a list of all the available packages providing ispell-dictionary, with the idea that you choose one of them. Once you get used to it, the lower pane that provides descriptions of the current problems - and of the packages, too, if you hit 'i' - can be very helpful. I chose not to install most of this, except for some gnomelibs and a few other libs, which I figured might be important. Did you have to override dselect in its ideas about dependencies? If so, you might have removed or failed to install something important ... you didn't uninstall libstdc++2.10 or any of the ncurses stuff, did you? If that's the problem, you'll likely be able to recover it with plain dpkg, though it might take a bit of to-and-froing on this mailing list. :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Happiness and glee, dselect is back up again. I did a reboot to install an extra disk, and it got back again. I guess some process must have hung or something. Great. Sorry to bother you guys. Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone copy for the list -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: XFCOnfiggin'
Vitux wrote: Ron Rademaker wrote: Why don't you just run xf86config on your laptop (debian)?? That should make X work Ron I second. My experience with different cards and monitors is that I often have to run xf86config a few times to straighten things out and achieve the best modes... There could be lots of reasons why X craps out on you. Even a wrong mouse-setup could do this kind of thing... Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Using APM
Thibaut Cousin wrote: Le Mon, 29 May 2000, vous avez écrit : Thibaut Cousin wrote: Hello, I'd like to be able to put my computer to sleep as it does under windows. So far, I've gotten my screen to suspend, but that's all... and the APM doc is useless. My SCSI host adapter is a 2940 Ultra, and the drive is a Quantum Fireball. The CPU is a PII. I have a SCSI drive, my / partition is on it. Is it possible to suspend the drive ? hdparm is only for IDE drives, and I found nothing in hwtools... By the way, is it possible to control the CPU fan too ? My computer is a desktop one, not a laptop, but it can do it, I believe ? -- Thibaut Cousin email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I don't think it is possible to contol the cpu fan. To do that, it needs to implemented in your motherboard's bios, or you would have get/make it yourself (a device that measures cpu-temperature and can control the voltage to the fan accordingly). Well, it has probably been done, because windows is able to do it (on the same computer) ! As for Linux, apm's doc talks about it, but it is not clear at all. Allright, great for you! someone must have done it in Linux, seems noise is a common problem! On my Compaq PII350, they've put a huge aluminium heatsink on the processor and left out the fan. This is a wonderfully silent solution to that! Is it a desktop ? That seems very nice indeed... Yep, desktop it is. Rather large box, and it's got no other fans than the one in the powersupply. FYI, it's a Deskpro EP6350. I'm in the process of fabricating a similar heatsink for a friend of mine, who's got a sound-studio, so he needs a very silent puter. All the data for the heatsink are available at Intel's developer site, look for Thermal Guidelines. Have you compiled apm into your kernel? also, there's a apm-tools package (I forget the exact name, but a search for apm in dselect should find it). Yes. I compiled APM with Enabled at boot time and Power off on shutdown. The package you're talking about must be apmd. It seems to be what I need, but I don't understand anything to the doc, and the /etc/apm directory is almost empty :-( Maybe apmd is limited to laptops... I really don't know. Don't think so. I have the same Kernel-options as you do, and the box shuts itself off fine. It also seems to spin down and go into sleep-mode fine, but this could be a hardware-thing (read: Compaq-bios-thing). I know people have made suspend and sleep and hd spindown work with debian apm -have you tried the list-archives? This comes up quite often... Good Luck Vitux -- Thibaut Cousin email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.kde.org/fr Linux : Ne jetez plus votre argent par les Fenêtre$ !! Windows n'est pas la réponse. C'est la question, et la réponse est non. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Guidance]
Vitux wrote: T wrote: Hi, I have just finished installing the debian base system on my 386sx, which has a 170 meg hd and 8 meg of memory. I am brand new to linux/unix. I need some help. I have been on your site for about an hour and have not found any help yet. My 386 is not on the net. How do i download packages fromthe net on this computer and transfer them to my 386? I tried one callednethack_3.2.3-3.deb. I have no idea of how the command system works on linux? I copied this file to a floppy disk (dos format). I tried dselect and the floppies selection, but it would not work. I tried using dpkg, but what command do i put in for the floopy drive: i.e. a:/nethack_3.2.3-3.deb Could you plese give me some help, or tell me where i could find some. I have read the debian users guide ed2 chapter on dpkg, and i understand how it works, but i still dont' know how to access the A: HELP! Thanks in advance Scott. ___ Welcome to Debian! I think you're in for a rough time. *nix is soo much different from dos. (recently a newbie myself). You're in for a bit of reading, I suppose. What I did was get a quite general book on unix, just to get the general feel of it, and learn some basic commands. The first floppy-drive in linux is called /dev/fd0, but due to the nature of the filesystem, you need to mount it somewhere before you can access it. Try mount -msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/ (while logged in as root). As for installing the system; IMHO by far the easiest way to get you a functioning system is to connect your puter to a modem and download the lot using apt/dselect. If want to install the packages one by one using floppies, you're in for about a week's work and loads of trouble tackling dependencies. (tried it myself without success!) The base system from the diskettes is able to get on the net to ftp the lot. hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone sorry, forgot to include the list... Vitux
Re:
Goeman Stefan wrote: Hello everbody, I have another question. I also have an iomega ZIP drive (250 Mb) connected on the parallel port of my PC but I am not able to access this device. When I use insmod or probemod to to load the imm driver, nothing happens. Well, this is not completely correct. The parallel port is probed and the ZIP drive makes some noise but I don't receive any info concerning the the ZIP disk in the drive. Does anybody have some suggestions?? Greetings, Stefan Goeman -- Please be so kind as to type a subject for your mails. Not all of us read all the mails on debian-user: the subjects are very convenient for telling if you're able to help... Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Xconsole craps out after Potato-upgrade
Hi Debs Previously (in slink, 4 days ago), Xconsole was run when launching fvwm. Now, it doesn't start automagically, and gives an error: Couldn't open console when I start it manually. I find it quite annoying; I've gotten used to keeping an eye on the modem when dialing and my ailing /dev/hdc (old WD drive). Any ideas? Best Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Rage IIc AGP X = no vt's!
Well, the subject kind of nutcases the situation. Since I changed to a nice 17 siemens monitor and a Rage IIc AGP card, there's only vt7(X) available. When I try any other vt, the screen blanks as if there's no input. I tried running the mach64-xserver, but that only gave me a bunch of screens on top of eachother, so I'm still using the svga-server (1280x1024, 16bpp). Maybe the card can't figure out (or something doesn't tell it) how to get back to a standard text-screen? I'm quite sure it's related to the x-server, as I get normal text-screen when booting. btw: this happened before upgrading to potato -maybe the potato mach-server is better? Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Intro and it seems that W3.1 can see beyond thepartitionbarriers!
I. Tura wrote: Hi Vitux, Perhaps I didn't sent that letter. Debian enormous amount of messages dizzies me! Sorry and thank you, man. Ignasi Transciption follows: Sounds very strange to me, I would suppose Win3.1 (which is actually DOS) to see only the size of the partition it lives in. Me, too. How did you partition your drive? Before going to sleep I remembered I used the fdisk from Hamm: I ran fdisk and I did the following: At first there was a large FAT16 partition. I applied the following changes: delete the FAT16 partition. Then add the following partitions: dev/hda1: DOS-16 bit =32M of 100 Mb dev/hda2: Extended (marked as bootable) dev/hda5: a 950 Mb partition for Linux native. ( This is a logical partition ^^ dev/hda6: a 50 Mb partition for swap. This one as well ^^ Then I wrote the changes. From the DOS fdisk I see now: Primary partition: 100 Mb Extended partition: 1Gb with logical partitions. Would you like to see the info on logical partitions? (Y) No logical partitions defined. Total size of extended DOS partition: 1051 Mb Just a thought: It seems you have made logical partitions for your Linux install, and IIRC, linux fdisk and dos fdisk do not agree how to handle logical partitions. This could account for the fact that dos thinks there's no logical partitions defined (dos can't see linux-partitions, but linux can see dos part's...) I think you might need to make both your linux and your dos part's as real (primary extended) partitions to get this working?! (I'm not even sure if this is possible; running pure Linux on my boxes ;-) Another curious experience w/ DOS I forgot to mention. As I had built the computer from scratch (a 486 that nobody wanted -it seems that here people here are very rich-) I added a 1Gb HDD. But when I added the HDD, when running the DOS boot diskette it started to appear some odd characters in the screen (this did not happen when I booted the Linux kernel). Need more info on that one. Sounds like one of those strange things that can happen when combining new and old hardware :-| (hehehehe, Linux rocks!) An I/O conflict? I tried to solve it changing jumpers from the Oak 087 video card using all combinations (no manual for it, Oak does not give it) but no change. Changing cards from its slots, but no solution. As last I apply a plugplay DOS device from Intel and it detects my sound card. The errors disappear. Explanation? No idea. No virus sure (cold boot, very new boot diskettes from two brands). Norton DD told me the HDD was full of damaged clusters, but I stopped it and I applied Ontrack support for large drives to the DOS boot diskette. Then there were no errors. Be very careful with Norton. Has been known to do nasty things to ext2-fs' and fat's. (oh sweet reminiscence of the DOS-days ;-P) What version of DOS are you running? DOS 6.22 (btw, win3.1 seems to me to be the most stable windows version at this point, but then again, it's based on DOS ;-) Oh yeah man. If they have been so decent like in that times, I'm sure they would not get so much problems as they have now. It seems, writing this, that it's something I did uncorrectly, but I don't know what it should be. Also: beats me why you would want to run hamm -its old, not being developed, and there are really great advantages in running the newer kernels (fs-corruption-bugs are fixed, much better hardware-support, etc). Recently upgraded slink-potato myself, things are running smooth here. Mmmm... I was too impatient. In the Pentium III I'll install Potato when I have a copy. Perhaps there is another reason: that in Windows world I have the tendency of being technological reactionary: prefer NT 4.0 than W2000, prefer W95C than 98 SameExcrement, prefer WP7 (actually the best is WP 5.1 for DOS) than WP8... I forgot that it's also useful to get the latest versions of DOS/W nice programs, such as ARJ, IrfanView... You're right on that one. I strongly suggest running Slink or Potato -things have improved vastly even this past year. Good thing w/ Linux: strong development! One last thing: Try getting a bios-update for your old computer; I've had much succes on my own old 486/100 (now being reconf'ed for server use). When I updated my old Award bios, it enabled LBA and other nice stuff (apm was much improved). These old machines were made when a 540Mb hd was HUGE, so no wonder if it craps out on large 1.1G drive. Thanks for your interest, Vitux. No problem. Once a newbie, I'm glad if can give something back
SOLVED: Rage IIc AGP X = no vt's!
Bruce Sass wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2000, Vitux wrote: Well, the subject kind of nutcases the situation. You mean nutshell, a nutcase is the guy who goes mountain climbing in a string bikini or runs around wearing an aluminum foil hat (even when not using a cell phone :). Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge to comment. later, Bruce You're obviously right. But then I'm excused 'cause I'm not a native english speaker ;-P. BTW, I solved my problem. The Mach64-server did the trick after tweaking a while to get any modes out of the damn thing. Now I'm running a beautiful X in 1280x1024,24bpp, and all the vt's output nicely to the screen. Thanks anyway for your patience. Still learning here... Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: X on a 486
Atila Nemet wrote: AN Unfortunately I have only an old 486 PC on 120MHz. Is there AN window manager which is low on system resources so I AN could set up X on this 486? From, the help I've got, it seems that the problem is not with the window manager itself (since there are people who are using X with various window managers on weaker machines), but with the programs I use. I have set up fvwm and it ran quite ok. as long as I was using some little applications, but when I started Netscape. It lookd like the time had sopped. Would a memory upgrade help in this case? Atila -- Definitely would. Netscape is a memory hog. I've been running quite smooth untill recently using X/fvwm/Netscape4.72 on a [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 50Mb ram installed. It would use about 43Mb running the lot... Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Dselect suddenly vanished from potato?
Hi Debs. 4 days since upgrade. Still trying to get used to all the new stuff. Looks really cool, though, this far. The strangest thing: Dselect has vanished! (or maybe just crapped out?) Normally, I would log in as root, type dselect, and off we go installing stuff. Now, I get bash: dselect: command not found. Ok, maybe there's some path been lost: ~#whereis dselect Dselect: /usr/bin/dselect Let's try it, then: ~#/usr/bin/dselect bash: usr/bin/dselect: Input/output error The really weird part is, I've used it just today to install the mach64-xserver from which I'm typing this?! Along with mach64 (which I chose to install) potato wanted to install lots of stuff I'm not using, including emacs, xemacs, and a german dictionary (I don't even speak german). I chose not to install most of this, except for some gnomelibs and a few other libs, which I figured might be important. Sorry I can't tell you the exact names, I didn't write them down :-| btw, this was my first run of dselect since upgrading. Anyone? I was just getting to like dselect, weird as it is. (kind of the way you like an ugly dog ;-P) Best Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Problems downloading files from debian.org
Ross Boylan wrote: I just did an apt-get update, which shows a lot of new packages. But apt-get -q upgrade just gives me a ton of messages like Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/devel/task-c-dev_0.4.1.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/devel/task-debug_0.4.1.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/devel/task-devel-common_0. 4.1.deb 404 Not Found Can anyone tell me what's going on? Have I caught the archive in the middle of an update? Is it overloaded? Thanks. -- Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but this is the kind of error I get when my modem has lost the connection for some reason... Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Netscape6 vs Potato
Forgive me if this is obvious, but I can't crack this one: I was hoping to try out Netscape6.0 in potato, but it complains about a missing libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2. While dselect was still working, I did a search for it, but nothing turned up. Anybody know what FM to R or which pkg this is in? Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Problems downloading files from debian.org
Ross Boylan wrote: The modem and the connection seem to be working otherwise. For example, I sent the e-mail after the attempt, but in the same dial up session. I can ping http.us.debian.org OK. Wow! Thanks for the fast response. Strange, I've used the exact same mirror earlier today?! Sorry I can't be of much help on this one... :-) Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: how did u solve ur MACH64 prob?
Matthias Wieser wrote: I have the same card (a ATI RAGE IIc- how did u solve ur problem :) ? Thank u Matthias -- __ _ __ * /\ /\ \ \_/ \_/ / here I * Matthias Wieser * / ^ \ \ / come * ICQ#: 12597522 * / /\_/\ \ \_/^\_/ ;)*[EMAIL PROTECTED] * WW WW* I upgraded to potato (dunno if that makes any difference, I was upgrading anyway), installed the mach64-server, and ran xf86config a few times, trying out different settings. I tend to be a little conservative in my settings, but I ended up trying something completely wild, and it seems the server found some usable modes. The potato-xf86config seems to support a lot more hardware than the slink version. Kind of obvious, I guess. If you want, I can mail you my XF86Config-file, for reference, be careful, though, it is setup for a 17 monitor that does [EMAIL PROTECTED] hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Xconsole craps out after Potato-upgrade
Brad wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:47:53PM +0200, Vitux wrote: Previously (in slink, 4 days ago), Xconsole was run when launching fvwm. Now, it doesn't start automagically, and gives an error: Couldn't open console when I start it manually. I find it quite annoying; I've gotten used to keeping an eye on the modem when dialing and my ailing /dev/hdc (old WD drive). The automatic running of xconsole was removed in 3.3.6-1, because it's somewhat of a security hole (see http://cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=yesbug=40745). If you want it back, you can either add your user to whatever group owns /dev/xconsole or edit the appropriate file in /etc/X11/xdm/ -- I see. Security isn't such a big issue on this stand-alone home-use box, but anyway: how do I find out which group owns /dev/xconsole? Thanks for the enlightenment! Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Guidance]
Vitux wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure if I follow all of your questions, but I hope this helps. 1. Your floppy is probably /dev/fd0 or /dev/fd1 2. For a computer the is not connected to the net and being setup by a newbie you really should consider spending the $10 and having the cd available to you. It is much simpler that downloading on another machine and then transfering to your debian gnu/linux box. Yes you can do this directly but since your system is not really setup yet there is a slight catch22 here. Also you are probably going to want to reinstall several times as you learn more. This is much easier with a cd. In the meanwhile you might just want to play around with the base system while you are learning. -- pedanticrant You hardly ever have to reinstall Linux, this is a windows-bad-habit. I've reinstalled once since I started using Debian well over a year ago. That was caused by a hard-crashed /dev/hda... /pedantic/rant Yes, it's a good idea to get a cd-rom if you don't have net access (if you've got a cd-drive, of course). On the other hand, it's very easy to get within 2 feet of a modem these days... ;-) Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone forgot to include the list, sorry... -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: system clock workaround
Owen G. Emry wrote: My firewall machine (a trusty old 486 DX4) has a bios that doesn't like the year 2000. It isn't a major problem but several things (e.g. make) complain, so is there an easy workaround? I assume I can just set the real-time clock to, say, 1990, and have the internal clock set itself to the RTC + ten years on bootup. What do I have to change to accomplish this, or is there a better solution altogether? Thanks greatly, oge -- Quite a few 486'ers need a bios-upgrade to do y2k. Solved it on my Award-based specimen... hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: I see everything twice.
montefin wrote: But, Pollywog You have not addressed the main question! From where comes the quote I see everything twice.? montefin Pollywog wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2000, montefin wrote: Hi all, How come I'm receiving two of most replies from this list. Not that I'm complaining. The advice I receive here is ten times as informed and actionable as from any other user-list. Just curious. So it isn't just me; I am getting two also. I will have to find a procmail rule to take care of that. -- Andrew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- In Life Timing is everything; in Linux Permissions is everything. http://www.montefin.com/~montefin/ (up 24/7) http://finux.com:8080 (our Zope experiment...evenings weekends) http://finux.com:8085 (our XML adventures...evenings weekends) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Funny, I get that as well, but only very rarely, and it seems most of the time, it's Netscape forgetting to delete old msg's from the server. Still, some inexplicable instances remain. Guess I'll have to speak to my ISP... ;-) Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Why is the Debian home page so boring?
SNIP PS: On the wish list for the distribution I would like to add an smp kernel. Other distributions have. Today this has to be made manually, even if excellent tools are available for this. Best regards, Svante Signell You would definitely want to build yourself a new kernel ASAP after installing the system. The base-install-kernel is loaded down with lots of unnecessary stuff, because it is meant to be as universal as possible (kind of like the winblows kernels). Universal in this context also means single-processor, 386 -compiled, for max compatibility. If you're running Slink, compiling a kernel also means changing to a more recent kernel than the ailing 2.0.36 ;-) Building a kernel is really quite easy, and gives you a really good feeling (besides faster system and faster booting). Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: power saving - A good idea
Ethan Benson wrote:
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:37:21AM -0500, w trillich wrote:
i have something similar which i haven't been able to disable
(not via bios, not via hdparm--at least i've not stumbled into
the right parameter yet)--
kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
kernel: ide1: reset: success
after a time if i access my secondary drive, i get messages like
this (usually more). after about 15 seconds, the drive is up and
ready, all seems well. but those 15 seconds can kill a website...
suggestions on how to disable this spindown?
i have this problem on my IBM Deskstar 7200RPM drives (one in a Apple
G3 the other in an intel box) the closest i have come is:
/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda which seems to make it happen less (maybe,
its supposed to make it happen not at all) but I have noticed that
while the drive still sleeps once in awhile i no longer get the DMA
errors under 2.2.15 like i did with 2.2.14.
wtih 2.2.14 i could intentionally put it to sleep and it get that
error when it wakes, no more on 2.2.15.
i also run /sbin/hdparm -k 1 /dev/hda at boot as well so that i don't
lose DMA after one of those errors, which makes the disk performance
slow as snot.
read man hdparm for more info.
--
How do you run this stuff at boot? (yes, newbie here...)
I get the same kind of errors :((
Vitux
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Re: Pine in Debian [Was:Debian vs Red Hat???]
Will Lowe wrote: Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian The license for pine doesn't allow you to redistribute modified binaries (e.g., fix a bug in the source, compile it, and redistribute the executable you get from this). Therefore, it can't be included as part of Debian -- it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines. Besides which, we have to make patches to pine to get it to put its files in the right place, etc. on a Debian system, and once we make those patches, we're not allowed to redistribute the compiled program anyway! Other distros that include Pine must obviously therefore compile without making patches, or have arranged other (special) redistribution terms with the University of Washington, or are simply violating the copyright. We do include the pine source, and a patch that users can use to build their own Debian-ish binaries. As a matter of fact, apt will download and build the package for you: apt-get --compile source pine4-src ... when this is done, you should have some .deb files you can install via dpkg -i. Will Just a pitiful newbie wondering: I thought all *nix'es were supposed to use basically the same filesystem-structure. How come then, that Debian has proprietary placement of files? (maybe I've missed a point here, but isn't that part of the idea with *nix; to have a standard for the fs, which all flavors adhere to?!) I tend to feel uneasy using my buddy's SuSe-system; things don't work the way they do in Debian, and stuff is placed differently... Is Debian developing into a segregated OS, straying from the righteous path of *nix?! Please, let's not have another religious war... Best Regards and thx for all the great support, which really helps making Debian such a great dist, and life less miserable for a newbie ;-) Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: kernel upgrade
w trillich wrote: Vitux wrote: UMUM wrote: Is it safe for me to upgrade to Linux kernel 2.2.14 yet? I've just upgraded from slink/stable to potato/frozen, but kept my old 2.0.38 kernel. I'd say it would be h*** of a good idea to upgrade your kernel. Running 2.2.14 myself, I find it very stable, and very fast. Also, some of the older kernels are known to have a fs-corruption bug (there was a thread about it a few days ago). # apt-get install kernel-image\* Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: kernel-image-2.0.36 SNIP Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. # i saw someone recommend apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.14 how would a newbie determine which kernel-image is best to apt-get? (i'm at 2.0.36 on i586) Recently a newbie myself, I picked the latest stable kernel available at the time I had decided to upgrade my kernel. This turned out to be the 2.2.14, which is also the one used in potato. I found out later that this was a lucky choice; someone on the list (not long ago) mentioned that almost all other kernels, and especially the older ones, have a bug which corrupts your fs very slowly. What I did was go to kernel.org and download the 16Mb tarball, put it in /usr/src and untar it. It creates a dir /linux, in which there is a README, containing detailed instructions. So I guess what I did was a manual install, which is really quite easy. Haven't figured out how to do it the Debian way, yet... HTH Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Networking - Linux gateway to internet for Mac
John Gould wrote: Hi Marshal, I'm not much help on questions 1 or 3 but take a look at the book 'Linux Firewalls' published by New Riders. Tells you everything you need to know on setting up a Linux Firewall. Also see the Firewall HOWTO. HTH JohnG 32865e97b5342e762ab140e00f3da23b - Just 'Debian' On 6 May 2000, Marshal Wong wrote: Hello Everyone! I have a couple of questions. (Of course I have a few questions. Why else would I be posting. :) ) 1. I'm networking together a iMac and my Linux box for a local network. I've managed to get the two computers talking to each other now with netatalk and macgate. I don't know how well they are talking to each other, but at least file sharing is happening. What I'd like to do is to set the network up so that the Mac can use the linux box as a gateway to the internet. We only have one phone line for the computer and the iMac doesn't have a phone out jack, so I can't daisy chain the modems together. I'm a complete newbie at networking, so if someone could give me a run down on more or less what to do, or what manuals to read, I'd greatly appreciate it. 2. Along the same lines, I'd like to harden the machine against the outside world a bit. I know I probably should put up a firewall, but have no clue as to where to start. Again any hints would be great. 3. A bit off topic, but has anyone had any expriences installing GNU/Linux on IBM Aptivas? Any show stoppers that I might have to know about? I have to install GNU/Linux onto a professors computer Monday, and was just wondering how much patience to take along. :) I think that's it for now. Thanks in advance. Marshal -- There's a net-howto out there (-reading it myself!). I suppose there would be a firewall-howto as well. A search on AltaVista usually yields useful stuff (to me ;-) or try this: www.linuxdoc.org/howto/ The only thing that can be weird about Aptivas is they're a bit touchy with the ram. Never heard of any trouble regarding Linux-inst. Good Luck! Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Installing Problems
Khairul Hapizan wrote: Hello im a new unix user so im so intrested in Debian i've install Debian but actually i dont know how to configure Xwindows im so sorry coz im so new in unix world so i hope i can get a help i have about 3 books about linux but i still need a help how to install Debian properly thanks What are your specific problems with X-Windows? Try running the xf86config setup program from the initial console; have the specifics for you card/monitor/mouse ready. A ps/2-mouse is generally on /dev/psaux. I believe there's X-Howto out there; try searching e.g. AltaVista for it... hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: XDM i810
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really weird. I configured XF86 3.3.6 to work with my i810 based video, and startx runs fine, i can work for hours and hours no problem. but when i run xdm or kdm, it loads fine, the login screen comes up but the keyboard doesn't work. mouse works fine. seems the only key i can get to work though is the numlock key. keyboard works *fine* when im using 'startx'. the keyboard section of my XF86Config: Section Keyboard ProtocolStandard XkbRulesxfree86 XkbModelmicrosoft XkbLayout us EndSection i use virtually the same XF86Config on multiple machines and only the one with i810 has this problem. anyone else encounter this/ have ideas ?? thanks! nate ::: http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9:36am up 21 days, 17:38, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.00 -- Yeah, I get this kind of behaviour once in a while, although using completely different hardware; an old Rage IIc card, and a compaq PII350 mobo. Sometimes the keyboard seems to get lost in xdm after booting. Generally, a reboot solves it for me. It only happens very rarely, so it's not really such a big deal for me... I can't imagine it would be video-related?! Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: XDM i810
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Vitux wrote: viggov Yeah, I get this kind of behaviour once in a while, although viggov using completely different hardware; an old Rage IIc card, and viggov a compaq PII350 mobo. Sometimes the keyboard seems to get lost viggov in xdm after booting. Generally, a reboot solves it for me. viggov It only happens very rarely, so it's not really such a big viggov deal for me... viggov I can't imagine it would be video-related?! viggov Regards i can't either..this is a dell optiplex gx110..very odd.. i need a real machine. nate ::: http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:04pm up 21 days, 22:07, 1 user, load average: 1.14, 1.30, 1.15 -- I know what you mean. This Compaq BIOS is very proprietary, and very annoying. About the only thing I can change is the damn date, and it takes forever to do the POST, even when set to fast boot. Reminds me of the old IBM laptop BIOS'es... ;-) Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: kernel upgrade
UMUM wrote: Is it safe for me to upgrade to Linux kernel 2.2.14 yet? I've just upgraded from slink/stable to potato/frozen, but kept my old 2.0.38 kernel. Thanks in advance. Urip Hudiono -- Bandung, Indonesia -- I'd say it would be h*** of a good idea to upgrade your kernel. Running 2.2.14 myself, I find it very stable, and very fast. Also, some of the older kernels are known to have a fs-corruption bug (there was a thread about it a few days ago). HTH Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: consultant
Rob Lilley wrote: Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Encoding: quoted-printable Please post in plain text. This html-mail-stuff is a PITA. Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Mouse not working in X]
Vitux wrote: Richard Ingram wrote: Hi, I'm using the out of the box VALinix/SGI/Gnu Debian at work, I installed X and it will not work with the logitech mouse, you have to play with gpm and X and get the right combination, I installed it at home about 3mnths ago and got my Logitech trackball working OK. Trouble is I have forgoten what it was I did and I need to know, I would boot up my machine at home but I have since changed my graphics card and need to reinstall Debian as it auto boots HEY! no need to reinstall! When you say you auto-boot into X, you probably mean you are using xdm, in which case it's no big deal: when you've booted, just change to a different vt (e.g. ctrl-alt-F1), log in as root, run XF86Config and change your settings. For these to take effect, change to (ctrl-alt-F7) and do a ctrl-alt-bckspc to restart the X server... HTH Vitux into X. I'm sure I found the solution on the web somwhere but it seems to have gone. Anyone know the correct solution, is it gpm -R and /dev/gpmdev in X or somesuch ? Thanks for any help. Richard. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Netscape and mp3-files
Johann Spies wrote: SNIP Any help would be welcome. Is it worth while to download 12 meg of files to upgrade to Netscape 4.7.2 on a dialup-connection? Johann -- I have pretty good experiences w/ 4.72. It's almost stable. Some (few) websites will cause it to crash, saying bus error, (something like that...) Never had any trouble w/ downloading stuff, though I don't do very much mp3 :) hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: daemons -- who needs'em?
Honoured Debianites. Isn't it about time to cut this thread? It seems to be evolving into the vi vs emacs vs pico vs idunnowhat or the everlasting dselect struggle. In other words, ideology... I've acquired quite a few tips following it, but now its getting out of hand. (IMHO, etc, please; let's not start a flamewar). I will definitely start looking into configuring various deamons, as I'm really cramped for space on my laptop. A megs saved would be well worth it :-) Just my 2c. Best Regards, and thanks all you guys who take the time to help us pitiful newbies. Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone Marek Habersack wrote: ** On Apr 28, w trillich scribbled: there's still a AWFUL lot of overlap! No there's not. Please give the people who wrote linux some credit for sense. i saved the output from tail -50 /var/log/syslog tail -50 /var/log/daemon.log and did a 'diff' on them: of fifty lines, there were only 8 sections needing an edit: 1 delete (11 lines) and 7 adds, affecting a total of eleven differing lines between the two logs; (50-11)/50 = 78% overlap. i think the linux folk are absolutely amazing, nonetheless. i used to have visions of coding grandeur... but now i sit back and gape at how even microsloth trembles at what linux can do. i merely think i have a screwy setting here or there that's needlessly duplicating log messages. settings are the bane of my linux existence, still... Now, stop right here for a while. syslog isn't Linux - it's a common software, created quite elsewhere. Don't blame anybody for something which isn't their fault. Don't like the duplicates? Voila - man syslogd.conf and configure the beast. Or get syslogd-ng - it's much more versatile. Linux is a _kernel_, not an _operating system_. And syslog is a piece of software used on almost _all_ Unices out there. since there is little reason a syslogd program should not be portable. Therefore, it makes excellent sense to make it be in its own daemon. Which just passes log messages on to syslogd, so there is no code overlap. my bad. i didn't mean _code_ redundancy (heavens! did you think i was accusing linus of generating microsquish code?) but rather log-output Linus isn't the only person behind Linux, just for the record. redundancy... See a few lines above. Given the list you posted, you seem to have installed a great deal of daemons onto your debian system without knowing what they do. That is not a good idea. It's the type of thing redhat people seem to do, but in debian there is no point in doing so. Install a minimal system, add daemons and other packages one at a time as you find the need for them. i started all this debian stuff about a month ago from the 2.1 cd, merely following on-screen prompts and installing as little as i could (debian cd installs a micro-set of stuff from which you reboot; instead of a shell, you're dumped into a 'select what you intend to use this computer for' interface [workstation/xwindows? or web/file server?] and then after lengthy installs, the subsequent reboot appears to have removed the selector utility so that you CAN'T add more stuff en masse... or at least a newbie surely couldn't). This is just to make it easier for you to start up. But it doesn't free you from reading documentation and understanding what software serves what purpose. It's a common sense to browse the list of installed and running software and think what you really need. It's all in the documentation. And dselect is your true friend in that task. based on my infinitesimal knowledge of commands and facilities at the time, i learned from 'man' and localhost/doc that 'alien' would handle rpm files, and 'dpkg' would install them. thanks to this list i found out that those methods have been steamrollered by the more powerful apt-get method. And good for you! There's no reason to blame anyone for installing so much crap on your machine - this is not your fault nor anybody else's. It's just a simple way to get you started. your philosophy is also mine--install diddly and add what you need-- the gap between us is a hefty base of knowledge, which is why i get to bug you folks about this kind of thing: you got it, i'm gettin' it. I see it a bit in a different light. Install some pre-selected set, read all the docs you can, find your ways around and then reinstall the system from scratch, with the freshly acquired knowledge in mind - this other time you'll know what to install and what not to install. And, remember that every single of us here went through much the same process sometime in the past :))) (and thank God that you've got dselect and apt and dpkg : marek -- Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
Re: potato on CD?
Ron Farrer wrote: Is there a way to put potato on a CD? I need to upgrade to the latest, but over my dialup connection it would be over two days of work (~200MB to download). Is there a way to burn the required bits to a CD and then use apt-get on it? Obviously you can use a CD, but how can I make a CD of potato that will work with apt? TIA, Ron -- Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: http://www.farrer.net Bellingham Linux Users Group: http://www.blug.org Alpha Linux Orginization: http://www.alphalinux.org -- I believe there are ISO images lying around, dunno how updated they are, though. Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: kernel 2.2.12
da Bobstopper wrote: heya, people i've been having some troubles with a linux fileserver i've been maintaining regarding seemingly random crashes and freezes. i'm inclined to put it down to a hardware problem but i noticed i'd used a 2.2.12 kernel and have since heard that 2.2.11-2.2.13 are somewhat problematic. could someone/some people give me a list of known problems in the 2.2.12 kernel in order to perhaps shed some light on what's going wrong and also for future reference? please reply directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] since i'm no longer on this mailing list. thank you from da Bobstopper -- Maybe a silly suggestion: Why not just make a 2.2.14 kernel? My Slink with 2.2.14 is rock-solid... ;-) Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: webmin
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I've made .debs of webmin 0.79 which is a browser based frontednd to system configuration. It is currently in incoming and will be moved to experimental shortly. Could people test it and make sure it doesn't destroy their systems etc. before I upload it to unstable? Note: I don't think it will destroy your system (hasn't mine :-) but there's a chance so be warned. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I have a non-critical machine for testing, but you don't tell where to get your new debs from? Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Netscape
Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: One more question: On one of my other machines, I need to have Netscape Navigator installed, so I can have a browser that does RSA secure https:// browsing (for some online banking.) I am very much in the learning curve of dselect and apt-get, and alien doesn't like to talk to the Mandrake rpm's I have lying around. If someone can offer a couple of pearls of wisdom regarding getting Navigator (I'd prefer the standalone browser, and not the whole Communicator mess, but I'll take what I can get since disk space is cheaper than time!) running under Debian, I'd appreciate it. It's fairly convoluted trying to sort through www.debian.org on that topic, at least for me. Thanks! Phil Mendelsohn -- Hi there IIRC, the Navigator from version 4.72 of Communicator can be downloaded from Netscape's site as a tarball. I got communicator4.72 myself, and it was quite easy to install on my slink system. (simply untar it and run the install-script). The new Mozilla-based Communicator6.0 is compiled on potato libs, = pain installing on slink. HTH Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Greetings!
Andre Dreyer wrote: Greetings I am new to this list and hope to be here for a long time. Just to introduce myself, I am 20 y/o male from South Africa. I am mainly a Visual Basic programmer (Hold your tounges before commenting on MS). I played around a while back with Phat Linux but lost it with a hd crash. I now am running Storm Linux 2000 and I must say it was quite a exilirating experience installing linux on it's own partition (seeing as Phat runs on a dos partition). I am a bit fed up with MS as I feel strongly about learning from each other rather then trying to bully everyone to get to #1 as that to me is not the meaning of life. Well to get down to business, I really need a helping hand with Sound card installation. I have a Ess Es1869 Audiodrive card. I have allready done a pnpdump and edited the /etc/isapnp.conf file accordingly (as far as I know it's correct). The sound card still does not want to work and the IRQ's isn't causing any errors. I have a feeling I still need to install some drivers. If anyone has some suggestions about what could be wrong and possibly tell me where I could find the drivers to install I would appretiate it immensely. Thank you RavenCrow He who laughs at a question is not worth being asked in the first place -- Welcome to Debian! You need to compile a new(er?!) kernel with support for sound. IIRC, there's some ess-options when configuring the kernel (running 2.2.14). There's a Sound-Howto here: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html and an index to howto's here: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/ It's really quite easy, though it may take some time on a slow machine (4-5hours on a 486/100, ~10mins on a PII-350). Good Luck! HTH Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: /dev/hdd irq timeout?
w trillich wrote:
i've moved my /home to a separate drive (/dev/hdd6) and
noticed now and then as i did something in the home
directory tree, my session would appear to hang; about
twenty seconds later it'd wake back up.
the i noticed that the console had messages like this:
hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
hdd: disabled DMA
ide1: reset: success
hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
ide1: reset: success
hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
ide1: reset: success
direction, anyone? what kind of things should i be looking
for -- or does this smell like a hardware failure?
I've had this exact same thing happen to several semi-old WD
hd's in my box, too.
It starts out like yours and gets worse, untill one day the
box freezes altogether, and you have a pain salvaging what's
left on your broken drive. I believe it's a hardware thing,
but I'm no wiz...
It has happened with 4 different kernels, from 2.0.36 to
2.2.14. The box is a PII/350,128Mb, Compaq mobo with onboard
IDE controller. The drives are all recognized as standard IDE
devices by the BIOS.
So, I would also very much appreciate if anyone has any
clues/comments. Is there anything I could do to not have my
disks crash? Is the disk crashing at all, or is there
something else wrong?!
Regards
Vitux
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Memory strangeness; X, Netscape
Hi debs. I get this weird behaviour: boot, xdm, login as me. In xterm: pon and run netscape to check on the mail. switch to vt1, login as root, to do some maintenance. I move some stuff around, clean up a bit. All this takes maybe an hour. Now, when I switch back to vt7, I notice things are slightly slower than usual and there's a little disk activity. Suspicious me (the box hardly ever starts swapping w/ 128 Mb), switch back to vt1, run top, and almost all the memory is being used by something. I can't tell what, the ram-use for the various processes don't give me much hint. I know there's a memory-leak in netscape, so I turn off netscape. Frees about 4 Mb. Restart fvwm: frees up a tiny bit. Ctrl-alt-bckspc on X: frees tiny bit. Still a ram-use of above 115 Mb!?. When fresh-booted, this system only uses ~35Mb... Two questions: 1: What's going on? 2: I don't want to reboot to free the ram, and I don't feel like spending money on even more ram. How do I fix this strange condition? The box is a Compaq PII350/128MbRAM, running Slink with 2.2.14 kernel (no fancy stuff in kernel except for apm). 65 Mb swap. Sorry for this long post, I'm only trying to be specific ;-) Best Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: /dev/hdd irq timeout?
Robert Waldner wrote:
I had two encounters with this error:
first having an ibm drive, which was spinning down after 5 minutes, that
annoying behaviour wasn=B4t changeable even with hdparms :/
then another hdd (a seagate iirc) started dying with this error; I think
that happens when the drive moves data to other places, most newer drives=
have some spare space where they can move the data off bad sectors to,
completely transparent to the application/os.
I wouldn=B4t worry _too_ much, just a full backup once or twice a day...
hth,
rw
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:29:53 CDT, w trillich writes:
...
hdd: irq timeout: status=3D0xd0 { Busy }
hdd: disabled DMA
ide1: reset: success
...
direction, anyone? what kind of things should i be looking
for -- or does this smell like a hardware failure?
--
Definitely smells bad -huh?!.
I spent yesterday replacing my hda1 (/) drive, because of this
exact kind of failure. Luckily, I was able to get most of the
stuff out of the old drive by putting it on a different
controller-channel and cp'ing untill it reached the bad
place. Kind of a hassle, but it saved me a ton of downloading
and setting up.
Might do a howto on that some time. (for semi-newbies like
myself, running on 2nd hand hardware ;-).
What a joy to be running a good os, this kind of thing would
have wrecked a shitty one good proper.
Regards
Vitux
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Installing Netscape6
Please forgive me if this is a faq, but I couldn't find it in the recent list-archives: How would I go about installing the new Netscape(Mozilla) 6.0? I've d/l'ed the tarball, unpacked it, and there's no readme, no ns-install (like in 4.72), no docs whatsoever!? So, I figure I'll try the netscape-file which is in the top-directory. I know very little about scripts, but this could be an install-script. It aborts with something about missing libc6-1.1.2 (typing from memory). Does this mean that I am missing some libs? Maybe the new netscape needs Potato-libs? Running Slink, kernel 2.2.14, [EMAIL PROTECTED]/128Mb. Thanks Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: debian on newer kernel
Sunil Pandey wrote: I am trying to install debian 2.1r5(slink) on my comp. One question that I want to ask is.. is it possible to get debian for a newer version of kernel (say like kernel 2.2.1). -- Sunil Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doubt is a programmer's BEST enemy. Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature Sure, no problem. Running a standard Slink, with 2.2.14 kernel. The new kernels are really good! It actually gave me slightly more speed on my previous machine, a 486/100. Compiling a kernel is not that hard, and it gives you a faster boot, and a faster machine, since you can tailor the kernel to your needs. Checkout the kernel-howto at Debian.org for more info. Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: debian on newer kernel
John Kuhn wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 08:52:34PM +0200, Meinolf Sander wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2000, Sunil Pandey wrote: I am trying to install debian 2.1r5(slink) on my comp. One question that I want to ask is.. is it possible to get debian for a newer version of kernel (say like kernel 2.2.1). You can run 2.1r5 with a e.g. 2.2.14 kernel without any problem. Just download the kernel sources and compile one customized to your system. Or you get yourself Debian Potato 2.2 (frozen), which is delivered with this kernel. My experiance was that 2.2.13 is the latest stable kernel that you can run on slink without updating any other packages. Kernel 2.2.14 would require installing a newer procps (2.0.3 or later). John -- Not in my experience. I got the kernel-source for 2.2.14 from kernel.org and did a manual compile/install (if that makes any difference, I can't say). I've had no trouble whatsoever and the system is rock stable (except from occasional hardware-related stuff ;-) Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: What are the most common causes of linux system hangs?]
Joe Emenaker wrote: Aka... why is my system so well hung? :) Every now and then, I'll have a Debian box that starts having fits of hard system hangs. Sometimes, it goes away when I turn off a daemon. Other times, it goes away when I put the hard drives in an entirely different computer. Currently, I'm having this problem with one. Just... out of the blue, it will hang dead in its tracks. The keyboard doesn't even wake the screen so I can see if there are any kernel panic messages or anything. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't do anything. I have to hit the rest button. It doesn't seem to matter what's running becuase I've tried turning almost all of the daemons (except cron and a couple of others) off, and it still hung. It's happening more and more frequently, too. It used to be able to go for a week or two. Now, it barely makes it more than 4 hours or so. Now, I'm pretty certain that it's some hardware problem. But, I'd like to avoid moving the whole system to a brand-new machine, find that the problem has gone away, and conclude that there's just *something* bad about the old server and that I need to chuck the whole thing. So, I'd like to isolate the problem, if I could. With that in mind, does anyone have any personal experience concerning what the problem usually is in these cases? Motherboard? RAM? Has it ever helped anyone to *under*clock the CPU? I'm anxious for any ideas - Joe -- Definitely not a good a idea to overclock, but I guess you know that. Most likely, you have some bad ram sitting in there, making the life of your server miserable. The 100Mhz ram is said to be more liable to crash, so it might be a good idea to try some different ram-setups. Some mobo's are also known to be more crashy than others, especially the cheap ones (you basically get what you pay for). I have a dual PII mobo from PC Chips, which is very fast when it's working, but has a tendency to hard-crash after maybe an hour...(luckily, I got almost for free :-) hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
2.2.14 vs procps [was: debian on newer kernel]
John Kuhn wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 08:18:33AM +0200, Vitux wrote: John Kuhn wrote: My experiance was that 2.2.13 is the latest stable kernel that you can run on slink without updating any other packages. Kernel 2.2.14 would require installing a newer procps (2.0.3 or later). John -- Not in my experience. I got the kernel-source for 2.2.14 from kernel.org and did a manual compile/install (if that makes any difference, I can't say). I've had no trouble whatsoever and the system is rock stable (except from occasional hardware-related stuff ;-) Vitux I did a manual compile/install of 2.2.14. The kernel itself did work fine. I found that ps, top and friends from procps 1.2.9-3 did not work correctly with the new kernel. Checking /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes I found that procps 2.0.3 or newer is required for kernel 2.2.14. The Changes file for 2.2.13 indicated that procps 1.2.9 would work with this version. Since I consider procps an essential package, I had two choices at this point. I could have compiled a new version of procps or moved back to kernel 2.2.13. Neither is difficult, but for now I chose to use kernel 2.2.13. John -- Very strange, I'm running 2.2.14 and procps 1.2.9-3, with top and ps functioning as usual. Can't recall doing anything spicey during my kernel-install (seriously doubt it; still a relative kernel-newbie). Looking through my boot-messages, there is one strangeness, though probably unrelated: process accounting fails w/ not available. Process accounting belongs to the acct package, which I can't remove?! Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: 2 newbie questions
Peter Solinsky wrote: I have a boca-research modem which is PNP compatable but debian can't detect it. Do I need to manually set the jumpers for and open COM and IRQ for it to be recognized? 2nd: I am having trouble getting xwindows to work properly. When I run xf86config and set the card for SVGA, my monitor blanks and I get nothing, the main problem is I cannot get linux to reboot without entering xwin at startup which means my screen blanks at startup and I can't rerun config w/o wiping everything and starting over. I would appreciate any help. Thanks Peter -- Dunno about the boca-modem. could it be a winmodem?! there's a list of real modems somewhere, maybe thru Debian.org, I forget. Sure you can get linux to reboot without running (a functional) X: Linux has 7 virtual terminals, which you can switch between using Ctrl-Alt+F1-F7. X runs in F7, so you just do a Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get back to your text-terminal. From here, you can try another conf of the xserver, or shutdown -h now to turn the box off (you have to be root to do this). The Xserver can be killed with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Don't need to reboot to rerun config or start X. Reboot is for winblows. The only time you need to reboot a linux-box is if you've built a new kernel. Sounds like you need to learn some basic Unix, I've had to do quite a bit reading myself. I was in your situation about a year ago ;-) If you tell us what video-card /monitor you're trying to setup, maybe someone here can give a hint or advice. Chances are, someone's been there... hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: need info for confused ISP
Pollywog wrote: An ISP saw a post of mine on the dhs.org website and asked me what they could do to make their service better. I replied that one thing they could do is switch to Linux or FreeBSD or some other UNIX (they are using NT). Their reply to me was that the problem with Linux servers is the security holes. They must have swallowed Microsoft's propaganda hook, line, and sinker, finally telling me they are NT professionals and that they know little about Linux. The tech support guy told me they might eventually get into Linux, but there is much to learn. I am still a newbie, but I wonder what I could do to get them to really look into changing to Linux or other UNIX. Anyone have any good websites where ISP's can compare Linux and NT? Actually, they goofed when they asked for my opinion, because I was replying to another person's post, and it was that person who could not use their DNS service. All I did was direct that person to another ISP which could do what they needed done. thanks -- Andrew -- Well over a year ago, I saw somewhere on the net that there was an experiment comparing the hacker-seurity of a linux-server to a windohs. That was when I started getting into Linux: everyone was invited to try to break the servers. NT was killed in 2 days, I believe. Linux was never. Probably not much use to you, but quite a little snickersnicker story... Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: paths (/usr/this, /usr/that)
w trillich wrote: my 2.1 cd installed a great deal of stuff under /usr/doc, and the new potato (i.e. 'apt-get upgrade', with /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to 'frozen') puts bunches of stuff in /usr/share/doc. what's the functional or intellectual distinction: /lib /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /var/lib /usr/doc /usr/share/doc /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/local/sbin this topic is covered briefly in one-o-them HOWTOs, which i can't find right off hand... (dhelp search for directories? paths? structure? besides, having just reinstalled everything, dsearch isn't finding squat anyway...) some of these are more obvious to me than others; i bet a couple of you newer debian-user subscribers (like me) are interested in this, too. -- I second! I've always wanted to ask this kind of question! Any wiz'es?! ;-) Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
ATI RAGEIIC AGP -X won't
What a lot of cap's -sorry folks. I've set the damn thing up w/ both xf86config XF86Setup, all to no avail, the Mach64-server refuses to work properly. On startx, I get loads of errors, all amounting to insufficient ram. X aborts with no modelines available. So I take a look at it in vi, and it seems the amount of ram I selected (4Mb) is commented out?!?!. When I uncomment this, I get 1024, 768, and 640 modes, and X runs. BUT: I get about 5 slightly offset screens, and I'm unable to communicate with it... When running the SVGA server, it detects the Mach64 chipset and all 4 megs ram ok, and gives me a pretty ugly face, from which I am typing this... Maybe someone using this card could send me their XF86Config for reference? Thanx Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
OT(sort of): hwclock w/ Compaq, playing .ram's
Hi There. I can't seem to get the cmos clock set doing: hwclock --set --date=foo/bar... I figure maybe my compaq mobo has some strangeness in it's CMOS?? It's a EP 6350, PII/350, using (AFAIK) a proprietary compaq-bios. Another question: When I'm surfing the 'net and run into a .ram file, Netscape wants to save it to disk, instead of playing it. It's supposed to be a soundfile, but I've never seen that particular format before. Is there a .ram-playing-util in Linux? Best Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Installation help]
Sunil Pandey wrote: This may not be the correct place to ask but since it is related to debian installation, I would ask it anyway. Thing is debian allows a way to install through existing dos. Now, my comp already has Win-2000 and that would not let me boot into dos. can someone suggest a way to do this. -- Sunil Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't get even, I get odder. Why not make the rescue, drivers, and base diskettes and simply boot off of the rescue-disk into linux? From there, install works like a charm. (did basically this myself). Your Winblows box is capable of floppy-booting, right?! :-P Welcome to Debian! hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
ppp-compress-1 strangeness
Hi Debs When I do pon from an xterm, and watch the modem in xconsole, I get: pppd started by vitux, uid 1000 abort on BUSY abort on NO CARRIER abort on VOICE abort on NO DIALTONE abort on NO ANSWER send ATZ^M expect OK ATZ^M^M OK ---got it and then the dialing bit and the connection progresses. Is this normal or are the aborts errors? After the connection has been established, I get this: modprobe: can't locate module ppp-compress-1 Then I get all the usual rcvd/sent -stuff, and the connection works quite allright (could be a little faster, maybe). Anyone got a clue? I guess I might be missing a module?! The system is slink w/ my own 2.2.14-kernel, on a PII-350/128Mb. The modem is an external ISDN (Eicon Diva). Thanks Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Problem with list... (fwd)
I can't seem to post messages to this list regardless of what address I send to. Is there anything anyone can suggest? I'm wondering if it rejects my messages because my pop account includes mail. before the domain name in eudora. Sorry, no idea on this one. ;-) From: Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: rawrite 1 and 2 I'm just having trouble getting in the door here. Maybe I should give up now. Whenever I run rawrite 1 or 2 I get the message can't determine the number of sectors/tracks for this diskette. I'm trying to create the resc1440.bin floppy to install debian 2.0 from the cd. I tried reformatting each of the several floppies I tried. Try making the boot-diskettes on a different machine. It seems that not all boxes are equally well connected to their floppy-drive. I had to try two different boxes to get my disks done... hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: no wonder...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder people say that Debian is the most difficult Unix-clone distro to install and use... Fisrt of all, since Debian is not widely supported (as I have noticed; compared to otherdistros such as FreeBSD or Red Hat Linux), there are not many mirrors for me to download Debian sources for my installation. In my case, the only mirror in my country (Indonesia), does not have a complete archive. It is also not up to date... Another thing, is the dselect program: it is quite difficult to use... If you really want more people to use and support Debian, I think you should consider those points I've mentioned above. OK! Thanks! I Gede Wijaya S. Bandung, Indonesia PS: Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not a very constructive way of posting. If you want help, be specific about your problems, give as much info as possible, and we'll try to help. If you're seriously unhappy with Debian, there's lots of other distro's around. They say RedHat is very userfriendly (haven't tried it). This is not the place for letting out bull like the jimbo above. BTW, maybe a cd with debian is the thing for you? they're not that expensive. (BTW: I used an american mirror for my installation, and it went absolutely smooth. I get fine transfer rates, even though I'm in Denmark.) Yes, dselect can be a newbie-pain, but if you go easy, and think, and ask constructive q's on the list, even newbies can get it working. Recently a newbie myself. hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
zip-util w/ disk-spanning
Hi deb's Anyone know of a good zip-utility that can span disks? I need to transfer some files (some of which are too big for one floppy) from my debian-box to my win31-laptop... thx Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Minor errors after kernel-upgrade
Hi Debians Running Slink, I recently upgraded my kernel to 2.2.14 to gain a little speed and get rid of SCSI support. I also enabled sound. The box is running smooth, but I get a few errors while booting. 1) Some of the very first messages from the kernel are (according to dmesg): Klogd 1.3-3#31, log source=/proc/kmsg started Cannot find map file. No module symbols loaded. 2) Later, after mounting local filesystems, /dev/hdc/ is mounted on /home and /dev/hdd1 is on /usr. Then: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument. 3) I compiled support for cd-rom into the kernel; now it says it can't find the cdrom module, but seems to acknowledge the drive fine. Do I need to edit some .conf so that it doesn't attempt to load the module? Are these errors critical? Any suggestions on what to do about it? (The box is rock-stable, but it annoys me anyway, and maybe I could learn something here...) Best Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: removing hard drives
Chris Mason wrote: I had three hard drives, one boot drive and one partitioned into two. I physically removed the second hard drive ( who needs 20GB on a linux system). Now I get errors on boot(fsck). How do I removed the dives from the boot sequence? Did I do it wrong? Chris Mason Box 340, The Valley, Anguilla, British West Indies Tel: 264 497 5670 Fax: 264 497 8463 USA Fax (561) 382-7771 Take a virtual tour of the island http://net.ai/ The Anguilla Guide Find out more about NetConcepts www.netconcepts.ai bwz*mq Sounds like you haven't updated your etc/fstab, which keeps track of your drives and gets them mounted at boot. BTW, have you moved the part of the linux fs which was present on the hd which you removed, to the disk that is still left in the box? If not, you're in trouble. Please supply more info; what was your partitioning scheme before the change, what's the new, etc. If your ENTIRE linux system is present on the drive in the box, all you've gotta do is edit etc/fstab (using f.ex. vi) to reflect the changes... Anyway, please be as specific as possible when posting. hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Make bzlilo -error
Hi there Trying to roll my own kernel (first time!). What I did is basically: Install ncurses and bin86 packages. Download source of 2.2.14 from kernel.org. make menuconfig enable SMP, FATmsdos filesystems and sound, disable scsi. The rest is left to the defaults. make dep (took quite a while) make clean make bzimage (took several hours on my 486/100) All of these scrolled bunches of text on the screen, but as far as I could tell, there were no errors. Now, the last step should be make bzlilo, but I get this error: make: no rule to make target 'bzlilo'. Stop. Am I commiting some stupid newbie mistake here? AFAIK, I've followed the Kernel-Howto at linuxdoc.org, to the letter, but maybe not? BTW, my system is a standard slink, 486/100/50Mb. I'm running Slink only, / is on /dev/hda, which is a WDC IDE disk. My lilo.conf looks exactly like the standard one in the Howto... Best Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Can't find libXpm.4.so
Please tell me I'm a complete moron: I can't find the above, neither in the us debian-mirror nor in the danish (closest). I need it for running Corel WordPerfect, and some folks here told me I could just install it, and all would be well. I believe so, now if I could only find the damn thing Regards Vitux (hmmm, maybe I could ask AltaVista?!) -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
[Fwd: Can't find libXpm.4.so]
Vitux wrote: Please tell me I'm a complete moron: I can't find the above, neither in the us debian-mirror nor in the danish (closest). I need it for running Corel WordPerfect, and some folks here told me I could just install it, and all would be well. I believe so, now if I could only find the damn thing Regards Vitux (hmmm, maybe I could ask AltaVista?!) -- YES, I'm a complete moron. Found it through the archives. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Corel WP: missing libXpm.so.4
Hi Deb's I installed the tar.gz from Corel's website in /usr/local/WP on my Slink-system. Now when I try to run ./xwp from /usr/local/WP/wpbin in an xterm, I get this error: ./xwp: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4' Any ideas? Best Regards Vitux (soon-to-be-frozen;-) -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Kernel-package no longer in Potato?
Hi Debians I guess the header says it. In slink there's a (newbie-)convenient kernel-package, which I can't seem to find in the frozen potato-ftp... Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Deploying Hotmail-like service with crazy requirementsy
Matthew W. Roberts wrote: If it was just something that a debian user was trying to do with a modem and a 386 I might give him free advice and a 486. I'll take the 486. :-) You can have mine, I've got plenty... :-P Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
SMP-howto
Hi there Just got a dual-processor mobo for cheap. Is there a SMP-howto? Any tips, recommendations for running Debian on a dual PII-350, 256ram? (yes, I'm new at this ;-) Regards Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Limping and bleeding with Corel Linux
Val Dokuzovic wrote: found out that I can not install it on my laptop. ... Turned to my sons old PC NEC Ready 60 Which laptop do you have? what leads you to the conclusion that you can not install linux on your laptop? In my experience, very few laptops actually entirely resist installation of linux. I've done it on a IBM TP365X, which is a quite bitchy machine... You can probably get help at the debian-laptop-mailing-list. I installed one copy of linux to my C: drive and one to my D: drive. The idea was that if I manage to get one crashed I will simply use the other one, (maybe try to fix the first one with it - remember I do not really know a lot?) My principal copy was on C: drive. My backup is on D: drive. I got them both running reasonable well. I had only one problem left: RAM. I have 104M, and machine thought I had 64M. This is where append=mem=104M in etc/lilo.conf became an option to try. Last time I tried it I got a bad crash from which could not recover. (That was what gave me the idea of the two copies). This time I tried it on my backup copy. It did work as far as RAM but boy am I in a mess now. I can not get my C: copy to run. D: copy I can barely get to too. It is now for some reason my first suggested choice and my C: ... If you specify the amount of ram reported by the bios, you will probably get an error like the one you're describing. You need to specify the amount available to linux, after the kernel has taken what it needs. Try specifying 4-8 Mb less than the actual amount, and you should be fine. (Some of the gurus can probably give you a more in-depth explanation...) With all the trouble I went through (and all I still probably will go through) I am becoming more and more attached to linux, as I slowly learn its intricacies. But a thought went through my mind. Linux is supposed to be a free software. Is Debian really free? Is it free if only programming elite can use it? Or are we mousemen really retarded now after prolonged use of windows? Attached are my messy etc/lilo.conf files. One with root at dev/hda2 is my C: copy. Please help. I do not dare to do anything on my own anymore. If any debian expert lives in Toronto area I am willing to pay him to get my mlinux machine in a perfect order. Thank you for help. Val. Why don't you try a straightforward Debian install? I did my first install half a year ago, and except for a bitchy on-board sreen-card, it went completely smooth. Later when I put in more ram, someone at the list was able to inform me that I had to specify slightly less than actually installed. That was it!. You shouldn't need to have a dual install; I suggest you use a rescue-disk instead of confusing you (and the system) with having two installs... About your free-remarks: I was a 'doze-handicapped average user ½yr ago. I think you're right: you will be retarded after prolonged use of windows; but you don't have to be a geek to run linux. Please be very specific when reporting errors, try to give errormessages, and describe what happened before the crashes. BTW, you (or your hardware) must be doing some high-quality strangeness: Linux (almost) never crashes. I've had one crash in 6 months; when the cable to my /hdd (/usr) worked itself loose... Please: you gotta dare. You'll love it, once it's running. hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: X stability issue
Sven Esbjerg wrote: to another workstation to kill X remotely. This time it's not enough. I have to reboot the machine to get some new output on the monitor. Now my questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same kind of instability? Does anyone know if this could be due to... - kernel instability? - X instability? - my hardware? - potato instability? The fact is that I really hate to reboot my machine - it feels like I'm running Windows. X is XFree86 version 3.3.6-6 (svga). Mboard is Abit BP6 (not OC'ed). Regards Sven Esbjerg Sounds like a heat-related problem to me. Make sure the m'b is properly cooled, and fastened properly in the box. hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Installation Trouble
Kenny Fowler wrote: It asks Yes or No, I select No and nothing happens. I have tried to partition the hd before I run the setup with fdisk (DOS), 350meg for native, 58meg for swap. I get the same error when I run the deb setup. Help me. I'm a linux newbie if you can't tell. Welcome to Debian. Recently a newbie myself, and still learning. This one I hope I can clear up for you: The thing is, when you partition your drive w/ fdisk from dos, it creates dos-type partitions (called fat16, IIRC). You need to use cfdisk (the user-friendly version of Linux' fdisk), in order to make the Linux-type partitions. In your case, you would make one of type 82 and one of type 83. So what you do is answer Yes to run cfdisk; it's a very friendly, self-explanatory program... Once you have the right partitions, the install process should work like a charm. BTW, you're probably going to get quite crammed in 350Mb hd. I started with 515,and soon had to stuff in some more disks, now I have 1.4G, which will have to do for now.(Using X, netscape, mozilla, WordPerfect, etc). HTH Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Moz M14 for Slink
Hi folks Has anybody made M14-debs for Slink? (I get lots of missing-lib-this-that errors when trying to inst the deb from potato. No wonder, I guess...) If not, I might have a go at it. Probably good training for a newbie ;-) Regards Vitux (who might be moving on to the frozen potato soon) -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: home network: will bo play with potato?
rich wrote: total network newbie here, I recently acquired a 486dx-33 with 1.4gb hard drive that i want to use as an x-terminal to connect to my pentium-200 (which runs potato). Is potato appropriate for a 486? I have an old cd of bo that I thought would work on the 486, but would I be able to connect to the potato pentium? BTW, is it really even feasible to use a 486 to run X programs like wordperfect and Netscape off of my pentium? Thanks in advance, Rich -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Hi there I have a 486/100 running Slink with X and Netscape smoothly. Be sure to have plenty RAM, though (I have 64 Mb). Can't really see any reason to run bo, which would have a lot of dated stuff by now... hth Vitux -- Death comes to us in various guises, swiftly changing as a baby's mood... Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
