Re: limiting user access
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Paul Miller wrote: Is it possible to restrict user access so users can not execute any programs? (programs which they copied on to my system). - FreeBSD can do this sort of thing Mount the user writable areas with the noexec option. Probably want to put it in the /etc/fstab. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: limiting user access
Is it possible to restrict user access so users can not execute any programs? (programs which they copied on to my system). - FreeBSD can do this sort of thing Mount the user writable areas with the noexec option. Probably want to put it in the /etc/fstab. Is there any way to do this for only certain groups? Best I can do is suggest the use of group homes in /etc/adduser.conf. Of course, if the users have already been added, this is a pain. Oh, you could also use a restricted shell so they can't execute programs not in the current path and so they can't alter the environment (like the path). You have to be pretty good to set up an restricted shell environment that the user can't break out of. Good luck, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compute Farm
On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Tim Sailer wrote: Stephen Carpenter wrote: hmmm just a slightly evil thought anyone tried cat /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 assuming hda1 and hdb1 are similar partition sizes and types Tried it... doesnt work. The correct answer is dd if=/dev/hda1 of=hdb1 bs=1024. This doesn't care what is one the drive, even win 95 (known by experience), and it will act like a perfect mirror. The proper thing to do is to nfs export everything on one system, make a boot disk that can mount the nfs drive, partition/mount the new drive, and edit any specific info (hostname and ip) all by a simple boot script. It's way above my head, but when set up right, would be almost as easy to do 100 as it is to do 5. I think this is what the titanic team did (in the lj article). I don't think they used redhat's easy method. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/printcap set up
[ setup hp lj 6l question ] Save yourself a lot of time, install magic filter. Then: magicfilterconfig --force and answer hplj4l when it asks. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Laptop prob with Deb. 1.3.1
For many laptops, especially the toshibas, try the tecra patched disks in the special directory. Brandon On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Timothy Bostrom wrote: I just bought a Toshiba 440CDX and tried to install Debian 1.3.1. Every time I put the boot disk in the floppy, the laptop would reboot right after it gets done decompressing the kernel and says loading Linux... Finally, after countless times, I was able to get it to boot and install the distribution. Only now I can't get it to boot again... I'm using LILO to do a dual-boot to Win95 (its for work only, guys!) and whenever I choose Linux to boot it reboots... 95 works fine... I'm at a loss... I know of people who have other distributions of Linux running on the same exact laptop so I don't think it's the latop... I've tried popping out all of the PCMCIA cards and booting but it still reboots... - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Free software article in wired
Here's a good one that wired did because of netscape, but went into the benefits of free software. It talked about redhat a fair bit, but included debian when refering to popular linux distributions. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/9966.html Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: question on using lpr
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote: This is because printers designed for PCs expect the MS-DOS crlf at the end of a line instead of lf. There information about this in either the Printing-HOWTO or the Printing-Usage-HOWTO (I forget which). The easiest way is to install either apsfilter or magicfilter, either of which will handle both text or PostScript files (using ghostscript). aka stair step effect. Probably worthwhile to start off with magicfilter, apsfilter has been orphaned (upstream I think). mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy You will need to have it in /etc/fstab with a user option to do this. Another option is mtools. It provides commands like mcopy, mdir, mdel, ... and you don't have to remember to unmount the disk. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mtools
On 30 Jan 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Jarkko Niemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: chmod 666 /dev/fd0 that maked the trick This is a BAD THING(tm). Especially if you are somehow connected to other computers. Agreed, the correct solution is to add yourself to the floppy group. This way only a few people can access the disk, that you hopefully trust. There's also a way to make the people who have logged into the console part of this group, but is considered insecure because if you can get access to the console, you can create some sgid binaries to allow you remote access to the drive. I think this is stupid thinking because anyone with console access and malicious intent can do just about anything. Better use the way I described in a posting some days ago. If the mount method is set up right, I think our two methods are equivalent. You could even remove raw access to the drive in my method (requiring a sgid binary, or maybe make a floppy uid), but then you can't make a quick tar archive or copy a kernel to a floppy to make it bootable. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: adduser in hamm dumps core !
Why do I have two distinct copies of perl? i found this too and diffed it - no difference at all, so i don't bother very much. They are the same file, they are just hard-linked to each other. If you do ls-l on either of them, you'll see that one of the columns, which is normally 1, will be 2 or more, meaning that 2 or more filenames are hardlinked to the same file... They should be hard linked, but as the original poster pointed out, they aren't: [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):bhmit1$ ls -li /usr/bin/perl* 4267 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 492172 Jan 25 22:14 /usr/bin/perl 4167 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 492172 Jan 25 22:14 /usr/bin/perl5.00404 4554 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28612 Jan 25 22:14 /usr/bin/perlbug 4555 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12675 Jan 25 22:14 /usr/bin/perldoc [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):bhmit1$ diff /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl5.00404 [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):bhmit1$ dpkg -l perl Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionDescription +++-===-==- ii perl5.004.04-4 Larry Wall's Practical Extracting and Report Sorry for the long lines, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dhcpcd broke?
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Richard Kilgore wrote: I just upgraded all my systems to the latest hamm stuff, and everything seems to work fine except for dhcpcd on the host connected to my cable modem. Here's my current software: Linux version 2.0.29 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) ii dhcpcd 0.70-2 a DHCP client ii netbase 3.03-1 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries ii netstd 3.02-1 Networking binaries and daemons for Linux No problems here (yet): [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):bhmit1$ dpkg -l dhcp* net\* +++-===-==- ii dhcpcd 0.70-2 a DHCP client ii netbase 3.03-1 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries ii netstd 3.02-1 Networking binaries and daemons for Linux No problems in my syslog. But I haven't rebooted since my last upgrade. I did have to restart it by hand because my other dhcpcd was running during the install. Run the /etc/init.d/dhcpc start by hand to see what happens. Good luck, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sending a message to the active console
man console (goes along with tty0) Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
I was wondering if any of you have come across Netscape 3.04 exiting with a Bus error. It is not a critical problem just every now and again it decides to exit for me. Happens here too, especially while I started into hamm, but seemed to get better as I installed more hamm packages (still don't have all the latest stuff though). For example, the java script at the four week archive at http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/peanuts/ (ok, I just tried it with js on and it worked, *shrug*) likes to crash netscape on me. Also, certain menu options like to disappear (e.g. copy link location with the right mouse button just disappeared). It's a good incentive for a project like (dang it... browser crashed) mnemonic to mature: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl/~mnemonic/ Enough of my complaining. Netscape gets the job done even if it's a poorly designed, bloated, memory/color hog. Brandon P.S. I hope everyone has looked at the latest from www.distributed.net. They are working on the des project and are only expecting to take several weeks on this one. - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [FAQ] mysql
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Frank Barknecht wrote:
I would recommend doing the upgrade. If you strictly follow the HOWTO
in http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html there
should be no grave problems. There even exists an automatic upgrade
script that was discussed on this list some days ago. I think I could
mail it to you if I look for it in my mail folders. Or maybe someone
else here knows the URL ...
{http|ftp}://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/
Take your pick. There's also a tarball of all the debs you need. Thanks
to Scott, Craig, and all the other developers who helped with this.
Enjoy,
Brandon
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Re: XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Dale Smith wrote: The install is basically untaring the server and xf86config binaries from /. This is a perfect job for alien, it should make a deb for you. Note, I have no first hand experience. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [hamm] dpkg-ftp problems from behind the firewall
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: * Why does dpkg-ftp insist on downloading all of the packages that are selected? In other words, why doesn't it download only those packages (among the ones selected for installation) that are not already installed? I've never had a problem with dselect-ftp doing this to me. Are you sure all the packages haven't been upgraded (actually, they have). * I am able to successfully upgrade the list of available packages by choosing pasv FTP transfer. But when I try to install the packages, dselect/dpkg says that it is trying to download each of the packages. The download fails with a 'No such file or directory' for each of the packages. What is the path I should be giving dpkg-ftp? I tried /debian/unstable, /debian/hamm and a few others. Is there are problem with symbolic links? Please read the howto before destroying your machine (this is a promise, not a warning). http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html http://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/ Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Local printing on server
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Bostjan Jerko wrote: Connection refused job 'cfA206debian' trasfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed after 1 attempts I already checked hosts.lpd (ALL and localhost), hosts.allow (ALL, debian and localhost) and hosts (localhost, debian). /etc/printcap Probably worth your time to install magicfilter or apsfilter (but the latter doesn't have a maintainer anymore). Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Apfilter install hangs up computer
On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, IBMackey wrote: On two occasions, I've tried to install the debian package for apfilter. When picking an option for further descriptions of the printers, the script has terminated with a Out of memory, zless. Is there a way around this ? Say no when it prompts you, or hit cont-c real quick. I didn't wait long enough for my system to run out of memory (over an hour) and ended up cycling the power after being hit by this (system was completely unresponsive). I would have filed a bug report, but I can't track down the exact cause of the problem, the result being an infinite loop or recursive calling of zless (I had several hundred before canceling it one time). Also, note that apsfilter is no longer being maintained in hamm, so you may want to consider magicfilter (it's on my own todo list). Note, I think the offending section in the postinst is like: echo $n Press RETURN to continue ...$c read tmp $PAGER /usr/doc/apsfilter/deskjets HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: qddb
On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Tom Ed White wrote: One hole in Linux distributions, needed by clueless desktop users, is an easy to use database. PostgresSQL is fine for running a hospital, but is not so apropriate for many of us. Have you tried pgaccess from the libpgtcl package? It's a very nice front end. Although, like PostgreSql, it's not done yet. I still think the major hole is a good, free, easy to use word processor (I've fallen back to latex with emacs and I'm starting to like it, but others won't). (Yes I'm aware of star office, the next thing I try will be wurd.) Good luck, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Turn off shadow passwords...
On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Steve Morrill wrote: How do I turn off shadow passwords? I'm still trying to get ppp working. Ive got shadow passwords enabled, and would like to try disabling that to see if it makes a difference shadowconfig off Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm screen
What does: strace screen report? ... aw shucks, strace doesn't work suid. Wait a minute, does ls -al /usr/bin/screen report: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 177788 Oct 10 20:18 /usr/bin/screen Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xauth problem
On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to thank all the responces which I received on my Xauthority problem. I went looking for 'ssh' when I read it in the thread, but wasn't able to find it in any package (bo system). Of note, I use the default 'bash' shell and checked the variables (as suggested) : ssh uses crypto, so it's on a non-us mirror (there's a readme.nonus on the ftp sites I think). XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):checklist$ ls ~$USER/.ssh ls: ~bhmit1/.ssh: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):checklist$ ls `expr ~$USER/.ssh` ls: ~bhmit1/.ssh: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):checklist$ ls `eval ~$USER/.ssh` bash: /home/bhmit1/.ssh: is a directory ... Third time's the charm. Note those are back ticks. The $HOME solution is just as good, if not better. I see this Xauthority problem as a security hole and want to close it before jumping online. I wish my school thought this way. Although it makes it possible for fun scripts like grabbing a screen shot and displaying it, they get confused when non of the windows work anymore and the mouse doesn't pull up menus in the background :-) Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: more from the ppp battlefield
On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, dave mallery wrote: now i am back to work finding how to get my mail from the isp's mail server. should i use elm or pine or...?? do they work like Eudora and go thru a connection dialog with the mail server every so often?? I use fetchmail to get my mail, procmail to filter it to different mail boxes, and pine to read and send. I also use sendmail to send and grab anything that someone sends straight to my computer (I want to switch to qmail soon). If all this is scary, relax, once it's setup, you just use pine or elm and everything else is automatic. Grab fetchmail and procmail and use a .fetchmailrc like the following: poll mail.wm.edu protocol pop3 user bhmit1 pass secret mda /usr/bin/procmail -f- fetchall In my /etc/ip-up I have: if [ -x /home/bhmit1/.ppp-up ]; then su bhmit1 -c /home/bhmit1/.ppp-up fi and something similar in the ip-down. Then in my .ppp-up and -down I have: .ppp-up: fetchmail -d 300 --invisible -L /home/bhmit1/.log fetchmail # this makes the daemon start right now .ppp-down: fetchmail -q killall fetchmail 2/dev/null # sometimes the -q doesn't catch it I feel like putting up a web site that will have all kinds of things like this in it (I have a cool script that goes through a list of chatscripts so you can try different isp numbers or different isp's). If I only had the time, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian 1.3 and Windows NT
[ please hit the enter key every 75 char's or so. You're email program doesn't seem to do this for you. ] On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Adam Greene wrote: Hello, I am trying to run Linux on my computer at work, what we are running normally is Windows 95 OSR on a Ethernet Star configured LAN. The NIC is 3com Etherlink XL 100baseTX (running as 10BaseT). We normally attach to a Windows NT 4.0 server. I installed Linux, took the information from the winipcfg program (we are running DHCP with a month long lease), so that I could do a FTP install, but I cannot see anyone, or go anywheres, when I try to ping the Gateway, I get no response. The NIC card seems to be working fine, but I get nowheres. (The driver came up and gave me the right info). Any ideas?? There is a dhcpcd package that I use to connect to a dhcp server. Works flawlessly without any configuring. If I mis-understood your setup, then you probably need to send more information (someone already asked you for this). HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: where is killall? (hamm)
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Scott K. Ellis wrote: Moved from procps to psutils by the upstream source. psutils is stuck in incoming. I thought that was psmisc (retrieved from incomming last night): [EMAIL PROTECTED](p2):bhmit1$ dpkg -c deb/psmisc_16-1_i386.deb ... -rwxr-xr-x root/root 8956 1998-01-05 21:33 usr/bin/killall Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: configuring ftpd for anonymous access
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I get is - I can ftp to the box from itself or over the network and log in as anonymous. Then I can put files to the directory and they get transferred all right, and I can get files if I know their names... but, of course, as you may have guessed by now, I can't list the contents of the directories. It says that the connection has been opened successfully, but nothing comes out the other end. I think you forgot some libraries that ls needs: [EMAIL PROTECTED](p3):binary-i386# ls ~ftp/* /home/ftp/welcome.msg /home/ftp/bin: gzip lstar zip /home/ftp/etc: grouppasswd pathmsg /home/ftp/lib: ld-linux.so.1 libc.so.5 libc.so.5.4.23 /home/ftp/pub: bhmit1incoming But, like Ben, I'm going to suggest something other than ftpd. However, my suggestion is wu-ftpd. It's very popular for most ftp sites I have seen (I must confess I have no experience with proftpd). It has many features that you may be interested in: connection limits (so people don't open 1,000 connections and bog your machine down), I think you can have several anonymous users of different types, and automatic change of permissions on incomming files so people don't use you as a warez server. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: configuring ftpd for anonymous access
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Christopher Jason Morrone wrote: I'm having the same problem he has. ls doesn't report anything. However its only with anonymous logins. And it happens with all of the ftp server packages I've tried. ftpd, wu-ftp, and the wu-ftp-academ. (all from hamm). I've got a pretty pure hamm system, and I haven't forced anything. If there are libraries missing, its a packaging problem. This is definately a library problem. The listing I gave was for a libc5 ls, but I think it would be similar for libc6. Also verify permissions: d--x--x--x 2 root root 1024 Apr 12 1997 bin d--x--x--x 2 root root 1024 Apr 12 1997 etc d--x--x--x 2 root root 1024 Apr 12 1997 lib dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Apr 13 1997 pub bin: total 229 ---x--x--x 1 root root45404 Apr 11 1997 gzip ---x--x--x 1 root root50348 Apr 11 1997 ls ---x--x--x 1 root root77936 Apr 11 1997 tar ---x--x--x 1 root root53996 Apr 11 1997 zip etc: total 3 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 20 Apr 11 1997 group -r--r--r-- 1 root root 46 Apr 11 1997 passwd -r--r--r-- 1 root root 172 Apr 11 1997 pathmsg lib: total 599 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root22181 Apr 11 1997 ld-linux.so.1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Apr 11 1997 libc.so.5 - libc.so.5.4.23 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 585200 Apr 11 1997 libc.so.5.4.23 However, this should all be done by wu-ftpd by a program called addftpuser. If it doesn't, report it as a bug against wu-ftpd. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: LILO stopped working
Oh dear, a second person that thinks I'm an expert :-) On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Tim Thomson wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LI The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer. When I compiled my kernel, I just copied the image file from wherever it was in /usr/src/linux to /vmlinuz. I had previously renamed the /vmlinuz sym link to /vmlinuz.old I have been running my system with the new kernel (2.0.32) for over a month now, have had no problems. The System.map-2.0.29 is still in /boot, and no later one has been installed. The only thing that has changed in awhile is the map file, while LILO installed? You should copy your 2.0.32 map file to the boot directory I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. after I had defragged my file system. What files in /boot do I need? can I remove everything but /boot/map? Eek, I think this is your problem. I've never tried to defrag an e2fs partition since it does pretty good on its own. But, since defraging moves files around, and I think lilo only stores the physical location of the kernel, it will not know where your kernel is. You have to rerun lilo. If you need to, use your installation disk, but do _not_ install anything. Switch to a prompt (altf2), mount your root partition, and do lilo -r dir, where dir is where you mounted your root partition. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question re:Debian and ppp...
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:57:44 -0500 (EST) hand, and see what happens when you get past the login. Also, make sure /etc/resolv.conf is set up correctly. You should see something like: Jan 9 20:19:53 cnhobbes pppd[320]: local IP address 209.96.153.139 Jan 9 20:19:53 cnhobbes pppd[320]: remote IP address 209.96.152.32 after the connect. Then you will have a route to the host and can do your networking. Perhaps you can clear up something for me...does the resolv.conf file get erased before an ISP connection and then rewritten once the dynamic IP connection is made? Thanks:-) I should have been clearer that they were two separate points. You do the resolv.conf. The isp needs to return those lines that I showed you. An example resolv.conf: nameserver 206.246.194.1 nameserver 128.239.1.24 While these will work, you should get the ip's of the nameserver(s) at your isp. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP! Netscape under hamm??
On 10 Jan 1998, William R Ward wrote: Whenever I try to run Netscape, v3 or v4, under my HAMM system I get 'Segmentation Fault'... I suspect it's because it was compiled for libc5 and I'm using libc6. Any way I can get it to work I've had varied results. My packages probably aren't the most recent hamm packages (actually, I think I grabbed everything before comming home for the holidays, in mid-december). v3 seems to work, but not every time. v4 has a much harder time. Also I was having different results from calling it from the command line and the window manager (but that may have changed since I upgraded fvwm to hamm). Results vary from seg faults to zombie netstat processes. It relies on quite a few libs: [EMAIL PROTECTED](p1):bhmit1$ ldd /usr/lib/netscape/netscape libXt.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXt.so.6 (0x4000b000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libSM.so.6 (0x4004d000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libICE.so.6 (0x40056000) libXmu.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006b000) libXpm.so.4 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXpm.so.4 (0x4007d000) libXext.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXext.so.6 (0x4008b000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libX11.so.6 (0x40096000) libdl.so.1 = /lib/libdl.so.1 (0x40134000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40137000) communicator has one more: libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x401f3000) When I get a chance, I'll try upgrading these one by one to the latest in hamm, but that is guaranteed to be a while. I don't know if this will help you, but maybe it will get some reactions out of others who know more about this stuff. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xload
Bug #16939 http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/16/16939.html Hope this one is resolved soon, Brandon On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Christopher Jason Morrone wrote: Yeah I noticed that too. :) On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Matt Thompson wrote: OK, so what happened to xload now? I just upgraded my hamm system and xload has disappeared. Don't we go through this every once in a while? Matt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MZI, Inc. v-206.430.3726 707 S. Grady Wayf-206.430.3420 Renton, WA 98055 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netscape acroread plugin?
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Steve Hsieh wrote: Does anyone have netscape the acroread plugin working together? On my setup, when you try to open a pdf file on the web, acroread will die as soon as the splash screen comes up, leaving netscape with the message an error occured or something not too useful of a message. Essentially, it appears that acroread isn't waiting for the data to stream in on the network (unable to open the data pipe?). Works here, from my .mailcap: #mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper application/pdf;/usr/local/bin/acroread %s Don't think I did anything special. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question re:Debian and ppp...
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, smorrill wrote: Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: port50 login -- got it Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: send (smorrill^M) Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: expect (word) Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: : smorrill^M Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: Password -- got it Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel chat [289]: send (??) Jan 9 14:37:18 ariel pppd [199]: Serial connection established. Jan 9 14:37:19 ariel pppd [199]: Using interface ppp1 Jan 9 14:37:19 ariel pppd [199]: Connect: ppp1 --- /dev/ttyS1 Jan 9 14:37:33 ariel pppd [291]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Jan 9 14:37:33 ariel pppd [291]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 9 14:37:33 ariel pppd [291]: Connect: ppp0 --- /dev/ttyp0 Jan 9 14:38:04 ariel pppd [291]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Jan 9 14:38:04 ariel pppd [291]: Connection terminated Jan 9 14:38:04 ariel pppd [291]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: Jan 9 14:38:04 ariel pppd [291]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0 Jan 9 14:38:04 ariel pppd [291]: Exit Hmmm... ppp1 and ppp0? Oh, 2 different pppd sessions. /dev/ttyp0 is wrong, did you call ppp some funny way? I would try minicom, dial in by hand, and see what happens when you get past the login. Also, make sure /etc/resolv.conf is set up correctly. You should see something like: Jan 9 20:19:53 cnhobbes pppd[320]: local IP address 209.96.153.139 Jan 9 20:19:53 cnhobbes pppd[320]: remote IP address 209.96.152.32 after the connect. Then you will have a route to the host and can do your networking. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: LILO stopped working
Quick lesson in LILO from /usr/doc/lilo/Manual.txt.gz: LILO start message - - - - - - - - - When LILO loads itself, it displays the word LILO. Each letter is printed before or after performing some specific action. If LILO fails at some point, the letters printed so far can be used to identify the problem. This is described in more detail in the technical overview. Note that some hex digits may be inserted after the first L if a transient disk problem occurs. Unless LILO stops at that point, generating an endless stream of error codes, such hex digits do not indicate a severe problem. (nothing) No part of LILO has been loaded. LILO either isn't installed or the partition on which its boot sector is located isn't active. L error ... The first stage boot loader has been loaded and started, but it can't load the second stage boot loader. The two-digit error codes indicate the type of problem. (See also section Disk error codes.) This condition usually indicates a media failure or a geometry mismatch (e.g. bad disk parameters, see section Disk geometry). LI The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer. LIL The second stage boot loader has been started, but it can't load the descriptor table from the map file. This is typically caused by a media failure or by a geometry mismatch. LIL? The second stage boot loader has been loaded at an incorrect address. This is typically caused by a subtle geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer. LIL- The descriptor table is corrupt. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/map without running the map installer. LILO All parts of LILO have been successfully loaded. Good luck, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bash shell script questions
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, David Stern wrote: Hi, I know this isn't a bash shell script news group, but the fact is I can't find one. Since bash is the default linux shell, I was hoping someone could answer a few pretty simple questions. 1.) How do I insert a newline character in a double-quoted string? echo -ne hello \n world (Try it, you may want it without the -n, but -e is necessary) 2.) What is a good method to reassign variables interactively? echo -n what copy method: read copy_method [ 3rd question and script snipped ] My own scripting question: How do I changed the command's appearence to ps? E.g. sendmail identifies that it is accepting connections. I'd like my scripts to say what part of the compile it's working on. HTH and TIA, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: need default root crontab file
On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Larry Owens wrote: I accidentally stomped on my root crontab file. Now my logs don't get rotated, etc. Does anyone have a copy of the default debian root crontab that they could send me, or does someone know what entries I should add to execute the scripts in cron.daily, cron.weekly, and cron.monthly? My entries are commented out because I use anacron: [EMAIL PROTECTED](p1):bhmit1$ more /etc/crontab # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' # command to install the new version when you edit this file. # This file also has a username field, that none of the other crontabs do. SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # m h dom mon dow user command #05 12 * * * rootrun-parts /etc/cron.daily #12 12 * * 7 rootrun-parts /etc/cron.weekly #20 12 1 * * rootrun-parts /etc/cron.monthly HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian 1.3 on thinkpad 760xl
If the thinkpad problem persist, try the tecra bootdisk (in the special directory I think). Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hang on bootup
On my system, this line results in a 10 second freeze up, and then Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! It then continues to boot normally. Perhaps you didn't wait long enough. Or, maybe you have a device that doesn't want to be probed (I solve this by opening the case, unplugging all the cards except for the video card, and then putting them back one by one until I run into the same problem). Good luck, Brandon On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, Jason and Heather wrote: I'm trying to install Debian on my Digital P166, but it's hanging hard right after the line: md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4 MAX_REAL=8 I've found a couple other reports of this in Dejanews, but no answers to the problem... - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP dialup. :(.
On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Timothy Hospedales wrote: Okay Thanks! I will try the script... one thing though, when I login to my ISP manually, I have to press ENTER afew times before the login prompt comes up, how do I tell a script to send ENTER? \r Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
menu in fvwm?
Simple question: Can the results of the menu program be used in plain fvwm? If so, what are the lines to add to my .fvwmrc? Thanks, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: changing group IDs
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Ferenc Kiraly wrote: Would anything brake if I changed the ID of group 'disk' to 8 and the ID of group 'mail' to 6. Of course, I would make sure all the files get their ID's changed as well. I wouldn't. GID's of mail programs are probably hard coded into the tar file (in the deb). This would mean a bunch of sgid disk programs instead of mail after you upgrade your mail deliverly software. I already posted this question once, but got no answer. Should I be asking questions like this on a different list? This is the right list. It's just that many of us miss questions when we get busy. Another option may be to ask on irc (at irc.debian.org). The audience is usually smaller, but you have a better chance of getting an answer (if people are awake that is). HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Partitioning
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Chuma Agbodike wrote: Hi Gertjan One thing still puzzles me that I hope you can clear up for me. Supposing I buy a brand new hard disk. IDE, SCSI or whatever. To use it, I have to partition it, using a utility like FDISK . FDISK writes the MBR and Partition Table. Right ? Fdisk does the partition table only, use lilo for the MBR. If I go and start copying files to any of the partitions, the data can't be read. Because I have to format or initialize the partition before writing to it . Right ? mke2fs is probably prefered here. So how come the system can write/read the MBR and partition table ??? Because 99% of harddrives that I've seen are preformated for win 95. If this doesn't answer your question, it's probably because I didn't ready the beginning of this thread. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Real Audio Solutions
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, dA' Phucilage Phactory wrote: Krist, i've been trying to get real player working from netscape for some time now, I correctly had rvplayer %s before, but i noticed a mailcap error causing netscape to bitch about incorrect syntax when trying to execute rvplayer, my new ~/.mailcap is as so: audio/x-pn-realaudio;rvplayer %s) I had to add the ) at the end because the errors were something along the lines of mismatched ()'s, but that only supresses some errors, so until i've figured it out, if someone else does, please let me know, its quite annoying having to download or enter a url manually You either need the bash from unstable (requires an upgrade to libc6), or ash as your /bin/sh. It's a bash bug that won't be fixed for stable. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
