Re: I hate off-topic posts (including this one :) [was Re: Acer machines]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/00 at 01:24 PM, Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I hate to prolong this thread, but I have to ask ... Who the hell cares? And >what is the relevance to Debian? Don't know about the _thread_, but do know that sometimes I have questions that I really don't know how to get help for, and so post an OT message. I don't expect a reply to the list on those, but am simply hoping someone would be kind enough to write to _me_ if they have the knowledge. Sort of like calling across the hall at work and asking the person if they know the answer to something. But bear in mind that I don't post without trying all that I know for help. And sometimes people read docs and simply don't pick something up because they aren't a computer scientist. I don't subscribe to a bunch of high volume lists. Can't bear the load. Don't like the newsgroups because of the denigrating attitudes I've encountered there. This list is a good resource for me which I try not to abuse with OT's, but there are times when I come here with them. What people need to do with OT messages is to carry them off list once a contact is made. This would solve others' irritations and be a responsible use of bandwidth. Kenward -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
I hate off-topic posts (including this one :) [was Re: Acer machines]
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, aphro wrote: : well i read from multiple sources that their UP->SMP upgrade tool worked : about 20% of the time..compaq came up with a tool that was 99-100% : successful *if* you had compaq hardware.. : : there are many many files that had to be changed to give NT SMP support : not just the kernel. I hate to prolong this thread, but I have to ask ... Who the hell cares? And what is the relevance to Debian? -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: Acer machines
well i read from multiple sources that their UP->SMP upgrade tool worked about 20% of the time..compaq came up with a tool that was 99-100% successful *if* you had compaq hardware.. there are many many files that had to be changed to give NT SMP support not just the kernel. nate On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: hamish >On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:44:27PM -0800, aphro wrote: hamish >> yes it would see the new CPU, i have read nightmare tales about people hamish >> having to reinstall NT after adding a second cpu if they were not using hamish > hamish >Misinformation. NT will install the single processor kernel during hamish >installation if you only have one CPU. However, Microsoft does publish hamish >information on how to upgrade it to the multiprocessor kernel afterwards. hamish > hamish > hamish >Hamish hamish >-- hamish >Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome. hamish > hamish > hamish >-- hamish >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null hamish > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 10:57pm up 149 days, 10:59, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.34, 0.29
Re: Acer machines
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:44:27PM -0800, aphro wrote: > yes it would see the new CPU, i have read nightmare tales about people > having to reinstall NT after adding a second cpu if they were not using Misinformation. NT will install the single processor kernel during installation if you only have one CPU. However, Microsoft does publish information on how to upgrade it to the multiprocessor kernel afterwards. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: Acer machines
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Oki DZ wrote: litban >Where can I get the list? all boards are supported unless its really obscure and based on an obsolete spec(which is nothing made in the past few years) litban >The Acers have the processors on daughterboards, so I think the same ones litban >would have the same type of processors. you talking about socket370 chips on slot1 cards or something different? what exact board are you using(just curious) acer usually uses stuff from AOpen don't they..they own ALI too i believe so it could be an ali based board. or are they ppro chips on slot1 adapters? litban >If the two daughterboards are the same, then Linux should be able to litban >recognize them. linux should recognize them regaurdless, the downside to running different steppings is in hardware only, now linux is only as stable as the hardware it runs on(cough my abit bp6 failed that test). i read that intel fixed the 'problem' so now people can use multiple steppings in a SMP configuration(in P-III units only though). in the past it was rather painful to purchase a second cpu a year later only to find out so many things about it was different it made for a somewhat unstable configuration. nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 7:08am up 137 days, 19:05, 4 users, load average: 1.85, 1.61, 1.83
Re: Acer machines
On 2 Jan 2000, Scott Henry wrote: > If it is a supported MP motherboard, then an SMP kernel should Where can I get the list? > recognize and use the second processor, as long as it is compatible > with the first one. The Acers have the processors on daughterboards, so I think the same ones would have the same type of processors. >I don't know all the ins-and-outs, but many MBs > need the CPUs to be of the same speed and "stepping" (specific > production version). The contents of /proc/cpuinfo for the 2 > processors needs to be compatible in a way defined by the MB and > BIOS. If the two daughterboards are the same, then Linux should be able to recognize them. Oki
Re: Acer machines
yes it would see the new CPU, i have read nightmare tales about people having to reinstall NT after adding a second cpu if they were not using compaq hardware, with linux its as simple as recompiling the kernel to get the 2nd cpu working. some distributions already come with SMP kernels and work fine in UP mode.i have had good luck with 2.2.10 on the 2.2.x side and 2.0.36 on the 2.0.x side for SMP. nate On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Oki DZ wrote: litban > litban > litban >On 31 Dec 1999, Scott Henry wrote: litban >> Not those specific machines. litban > litban >SGI? litban >> litban >> There are separate kernels for one CPU and multiple CPUs (aka SMP). litban >> You need a whole new kernel, since the changes are intrusive and litban >> wide-spread. But it's done with a single sleection in `make litban >> menuconfig`, the first step in compiling your own kernel. Note that litban >> all modules need to be recompiled as well. litban > litban >I'm quite familiar with recompiling Linux kernel. litban > litban >> A standard uniprocessor kernel runs on a multi-processor system, so litban >> installation, etc, works. litban > litban >Problem is, the machine is currently running on a single-processor, and litban >I'd like to know whether if I add a new processor card on the machine, the litban >kernel would recognize the added CPU (after recompiling the kernel, of litban >course). litban > litban >Oki litban > litban > litban >-- litban >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null litban > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 5:40pm up 136 days, 5:36, 3 users, load average: 2.20, 1.95, 1.78
Re: Acer machines
> "O" == Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: O> On 31 Dec 1999, Scott Henry wrote: >> Not those specific machines. O> SGI? Yes, I work for SGI, but not speaking for SGI... O> Problem is, the machine is currently running on a single-processor, and O> I'd like to know whether if I add a new processor card on the machine, the O> kernel would recognize the added CPU (after recompiling the kernel, of O> course). If it is a supported MP motherboard, then an SMP kernel should recognize and use the second processor, as long as it is compatible with the first one. I don't know all the ins-and-outs, but many MBs need the CPUs to be of the same speed and "stepping" (specific production version). The contents of /proc/cpuinfo for the 2 processors needs to be compatible in a way defined by the MB and BIOS. -- More Important Drivel from: Scott Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /\/\/\ http://reality.sgi.com/scotth/
Re: Acer machines
On 31 Dec 1999, Scott Henry wrote: > Not those specific machines. SGI? > > There are separate kernels for one CPU and multiple CPUs (aka SMP). > You need a whole new kernel, since the changes are intrusive and > wide-spread. But it's done with a single sleection in `make > menuconfig`, the first step in compiling your own kernel. Note that > all modules need to be recompiled as well. I'm quite familiar with recompiling Linux kernel. > A standard uniprocessor kernel runs on a multi-processor system, so > installation, etc, works. Problem is, the machine is currently running on a single-processor, and I'd like to know whether if I add a new processor card on the machine, the kernel would recognize the added CPU (after recompiling the kernel, of course). Oki
Re: Acer machines
>>>>> "O" == Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: O> I'd like to know whether you have experiences with installing Debian on O> dual-cpu Acer machines; AcerAltos or AcerFrame. Not those specific machines. O> How does Linux recognize that a particular machine has more than one CPU; O> is it done via the bios? Do I have to install a specific "driver" for O> different models so that the processors could be detected? There are separate kernels for one CPU and multiple CPUs (aka SMP). You need a whole new kernel, since the changes are intrusive and wide-spread. But it's done with a single sleection in `make menuconfig`, the first step in compiling your own kernel. Note that all modules need to be recompiled as well. A standard uniprocessor kernel runs on a multi-processor system, so installation, etc, works. -- More Important Drivel from: Scott Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /\/\/\ http://reality.sgi.com/scotth/
Acer machines
Hi, I'd like to know whether you have experiences with installing Debian on dual-cpu Acer machines; AcerAltos or AcerFrame. How does Linux recognize that a particular machine has more than one CPU; is it done via the bios? Do I have to install a specific "driver" for different models so that the processors could be detected? Thanks in advance, Oki
