Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[tomas]

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On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 10:12:50PM -0400, David Niklas wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 20:00:29 +0100
> Brian  wrote:
> > On Tue 08 Aug 2017 at 13:01:30 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > 
> > > It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically
> > > for a device, a driver that has significantly more capability than
> > > one that came with their Linux os,
> > > would refuse to use it. It hasn't cost them anything, just as the
> > > Linux os hasn't cost them anything, so it is FREE. (Don't tell me
> > > they paid for it with the printer--they
> > > couldn't have bought the printer without subsidizing the driver, so
> > > essentially it is free.)  Same goes for video drivers. It's like
> > > trying to swim with one hand tied behind your back.  
> > 
> > It's strange, isn't it, that some people do not want to knuckle under
> > and do what they are told is best for them. The same people want some
> > control over the goods they own and the services they use. Wierdos.
> > 
> > Ignore them and join the hive.
> > 
> 
> Well, on top of being able to use a pretested and know good
> non-proprietary driver there are other reasons
> 
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/06/printer-tracking-dots-back-news
> 
> Not to mention that some people think that proprietary drivers utilize
> more ink than their FLOSS counterparts, and if Amazon reviews is any
> indication, then manufacturers *do* want you to use more ink and newer
> printers *do* use more ink. The question is, do manufacturers use
> drivers, firmware, or both to achieve this end?

Having watched this train wreck that car manufacturers (especially, but
not only, the German ones) are having with their emmission controls, I'd
say that the whole system is set up for that, and that it would take a
saint at every strategic place in a company for a manufacturer not to
fall into such shenanigans.

Your Samsung TV phones home. Your Microsoft developer tools generate
code that phones home (not to you, the developer, but to Microsoft;
caught red-handed, they just said "Ooops" and "fixed" that). Why
shouldn't your printer spill more ink^H^H^H effort on the page?
Especially when it can be argued that "under special circumstances,
it might possibly look better"?

Enjoy the ride while it lasts ;-D

- -- tomás
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Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[David Niklas]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 20:00:29 +0100
Brian  wrote:
> On Tue 08 Aug 2017 at 13:01:30 -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
> > It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically
> > for a device, a driver that has significantly more capability than
> > one that came with their Linux os,
> > would refuse to use it. It hasn't cost them anything, just as the
> > Linux os hasn't cost them anything, so it is FREE. (Don't tell me
> > they paid for it with the printer--they
> > couldn't have bought the printer without subsidizing the driver, so
> > essentially it is free.)  Same goes for video drivers. It's like
> > trying to swim with one hand tied behind your back.  
> 
> It's strange, isn't it, that some people do not want to knuckle under
> and do what they are told is best for them. The same people want some
> control over the goods they own and the services they use. Wierdos.
> 
> Ignore them and join the hive.
> 

Well, on top of being able to use a pretested and know good
non-proprietary driver there are other reasons

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/06/printer-tracking-dots-back-news

Not to mention that some people think that proprietary drivers utilize
more ink than their FLOSS counterparts, and if Amazon reviews is any
indication, then manufacturers *do* want you to use more ink and newer
printers *do* use more ink. The question is, do manufacturers use
drivers, firmware, or both to achieve this end?

Sincerely,
David

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[tomas]

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On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 07:13:03AM -0400, Jape Person wrote:

> [...] Ah, ASCII art pinups put up by a "naughty" SYSOP printed
> out on tractor feed! Those were the days!

Oh, yeah. And lawn, and that :-)

Cheers
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Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Jape Person]

On 08/09/2017 04:29 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 01:01:30PM -0500, Doug wrote:

[...]

It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically 
for a device [...]


Thanks, Brian and Jape. You've put it more eloquently than I could
:)

Let me add that to a fish, that yummy bait up there seems free too: 
the little app, the Android OS coming with your smartphone, the

shiny Chrome browser...

The bait is free. Then you get caught in the 'net.

Those old enough among us will remember Microsoft's failed attempt at
reigning in the Internet which somehow, by sheer luck, seemed to have
escaped their grip: "Best viewed with IE6", wit ActiveX and all
that.

We are there again. Best viewed with Chrome.

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Best viewed with...

One of my favorite online experiences over time has been the sites that 
announce that they won't work without Internet Explorer or Firefox or 
whatever, and they don't. And then you have your browser *tell* them 
that it's Internet Explorer or Firefox or whatever, and suddenly 
everything works.


And then there's Flash. Web sites that insist that you use the "latest 
Flash" for security reasons are a laugh riot. If they gave a goat's 
carcass about security they wouldn't be using Flash in the first place. 
I'm still doing my happy dance over Adobe's announcement that they are 
ending support for that abomination.


Life was so much fun with BBS and FidoNet and my 110 baud modem. That 
thing was bigger than all of my current computing equipment combined, 
and it ran hot enough to supplement our heating system in the winter. 
Ah, ASCII art pinups put up by a "naughty" SYSOP printed out on tractor 
feed! Those were the days!


JP

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[tomas]

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On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 01:01:30PM -0500, Doug wrote:

[...]

> It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically
> for a device [...]

Thanks, Brian and Jape. You've put it more eloquently than I could :)

Let me add that to a fish, that yummy bait up there seems free too:
the little app, the Android OS coming with your smartphone, the shiny
Chrome browser...

The bait is free. Then you get caught in the 'net.

Those old enough among us will remember Microsoft's failed attempt
at reigning in the Internet which somehow, by sheer luck, seemed to
have escaped their grip: "Best viewed with IE6", wit ActiveX and
all that.

We are there again. Best viewed with Chrome.

Cheers
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Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Jape Person]

On 08/08/2017 02:01 PM, Doug wrote:
...

It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically
for a device, a driver that has significantly more capability than
one that came with their Linux os, would refuse to use it. It hasn't
cost them anything, just as the Linux os hasn't cost them anything,
so it is FREE. (Don't tell me they paid for it with the
printer--they couldn't have bought the printer without subsidizing
the driver, so essentially it is free.)  Same goes for video drivers.
It's like trying to swim with one hand tied behind your back.

--doug




It always amazes me that people think that something that didn't cost 
them any additional money is necessarily free. We live in a society 
chock full of nefarious operators (commercial, governmental, and 
free-lance). There can be a lot of issues with just accepting a 
manufacturer's software. I've seen the support disc for a printer 
install a half-dozen or more services (and set them to run automatically 
at system start) without any notification whatsoever to the user.


I'd also say that the Open Source drivers available for many devices do 
not differ significantly in usable functionality (as opposed to lacking 
special "features" from the proprietary ones. Furthermore, many users 
don't even need all of the regular functionality provided by the 
proprietary drivers. How many of us have multi-function printing devices 
at home which include fax capability? How many of us actually use that 
fax capability at home? If you don't need it, why install additional 
software to support it?


Some of the proprietary driver packages I've seen appear to be a 
hodge-podge of Open Source / Freeware / Proprietary software collected 
by support groups that are barely holding on by their fingernails. How 
often is that stuff perused for security or functional issues? They're 
barely getting it out of the door to keep up with the plethora of new 
printer models! It can be a bit horrifying to watch a truly ugly 
installation process grinding away for minutes doing whatever it wants 
under the root account -- often without signifying just what it's doing 
to ownership and permissions or what it may be altering in config files 
or just what it's dumping in system folders.


I'm pretty sure that the vendors don't always know just what they're 
providing in their driver packages. Whoever wrote the installation notes 
for some of the commercial printer drivers I've played with recently 
definitely didn't know how to install those drivers -- on any OS.


I'd rather use drivers from the official repos. The people who put those 
packages together know the OS and its desktop environments, ostensibly 
are following the policies of the distro, are communicating with members 
of other teams pertinent to use of the driver, and are presenting their 
packages for an assessment process by testing and unstable users and 
release teams. Me likey.


A proprietary driver has to at least appear to be well made, provide 
reasonable documentation, and offer me something very special to make my 
risk / benefit analysis go its way. And, no matter how great the 
proprietary driver is, I won't use it if the only real difference 
between it and the Open Source driver is that it supports something I 
don't use.


Just some thoughts on what some of the people who amaze you may be thinking.

Or you could read Brian's response, which is far more pithy and succinct.

:-)

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Brian]

On Tue 08 Aug 2017 at 13:01:30 -0500, Doug wrote:

> It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically for a
> device, a driver that has significantly more capability than one that came
> with their Linux os,
> would refuse to use it. It hasn't cost them anything, just as the Linux os
> hasn't cost them anything, so it is FREE. (Don't tell me they paid for it
> with the printer--they
> couldn't have bought the printer without subsidizing the driver, so
> essentially it is free.)  Same goes for video drivers. It's like trying to
> swim with one hand tied behind your back.

It's strange, isn't it, that some people do not want to knuckle under
and do what they are told is best for them. The same people want some
control over the goods they own and the services they use. Wierdos.

Ignore them and join the hive.

-- 
Brian

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Doug]

On 08/08/2017 09:29 AM, Celejar wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
Brian  wrote:


On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:


On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

...


A Brother with all of:

- ethernet networking
- duplex
- BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
   GhostScript)

will not need a driver.

Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
drivers, but 2?

FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
does seem to require a driver.

I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.

Very interesting, thanks. I (re)dipped my toes into the mysteries of
printer setup, and (eventually) configured another version of my
HL-2280 using CUPS settings of "Generic / Generic PCL Laser Printer".
The CUPS test page printed out correctly, although I see that many
options exposed by the Brother proprietary drivers do not seem to be
exposed by the generic one, which makes sense, I suppose. I do like
those options, though (e.g., duplexing and "toner save" / quality
options).

I'll have to do more testing to see whether the core printing
funnctionality, at least, is on par with the proprietary driver's.

Thanks again,

Celejar


It always amazes me that people who get a driver made specifically for a 
device, a driver that has significantly more capability than one that 
came with their Linux os,
would refuse to use it. It hasn't cost them anything, just as the Linux 
os hasn't cost them anything, so it is FREE. (Don't tell me they paid 
for it with the printer--they
couldn't have bought the printer without subsidizing the driver, so 
essentially it is free.)  Same goes for video drivers. It's like trying 
to swim with one hand tied behind your back.


--doug

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Celejar]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 11:36:10 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 15:31:51 +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 04 Jul 2017 at 09:05:21 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
> > > Brian  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > > > > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > > A Brother with all of:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > - ethernet networking
> > > > > > - duplex
> > > > > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > > > > >   GhostScript)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > will not need a driver.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > > > > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > > > > drivers, but 2?
> > > > > 
> > > > > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > > > > does seem to require a driver.
> > > > 
> > > > I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> > > > without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> > > > a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.
> > > 
> > > I know that it has PCL6 emulation, but the fact is that I have never
> > > been able to get it working properly without Brother's binary blob
> > > drivers, nor have I seen any reports of anyone who has.
> > 
> > Depends what you mean by "properly".
> > 
> > The PPD in /etc/cups/ppd has a line beginning *cupsFilter:. . Alter
> > the line to read
> > 
> >   *cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-raster 50 rastertohp"
> > 
> > Restart cups and do
> > 
> >   lp -d  /etc/nsswitch
> > 
> > That file prints out perfectly on my PCL/PCLX capable LaserJet. (I used
> > a Brother PPD, with the altered line, for your printer).
> > 
> > I am unsure about "50" in the *cupsFilter: line. "0" might be better.

This seems to work (I used "0", since the existing line had "0"),
except for the fact that each time I print a page (via the CUPS "Print
Test Page" feature), it prints out twice. Why? [I commented out, and
then actually removed, the original cupsFilter line, restarting CUPS
each time.]

> Reports of success from Brother printer users would be of benefit.
> 
> Another technique would be to use a Generic PCL6 (or maybe PCL5) PPD or
> the pxlmono one; a disadvantage might be that needed printer features
> are missing from them but they have been reported to work.

Ah, I guess this is what a reported trying in my other email. As you
suggest, it works, but important features seem to be missing.

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Celejar]

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > A Brother with all of:
> > > 
> > > - ethernet networking
> > > - duplex
> > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > >   GhostScript)
> > > 
> > > will not need a driver.
> > > 
> > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > 
> > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > drivers, but 2?
> > 
> > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > does seem to require a driver.
> 
> I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.

Very interesting, thanks. I (re)dipped my toes into the mysteries of
printer setup, and (eventually) configured another version of my
HL-2280 using CUPS settings of "Generic / Generic PCL Laser Printer".
The CUPS test page printed out correctly, although I see that many
options exposed by the Brother proprietary drivers do not seem to be
exposed by the generic one, which makes sense, I suppose. I do like
those options, though (e.g., duplexing and "toner save" / quality
options).

I'll have to do more testing to see whether the core printing
funnctionality, at least, is on par with the proprietary driver's.

Thanks again,

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/07/2017 07:14 AM, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

On 07/03/2017 02:41 PM, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Hi Whit,

my favorite brand for printers is Lexmark. They usually have good
drivers for Linux and have cheap models.

I have Lexmark MS310DN, it's monochrome laser network printer and
supports duplex printing (double side). I bought it for about 100 EUR
without VAT.

HTH

Kind regards
Georgi




Thanks Georgi.  I'll keep them, the Lexmarks in mind.  However, I have a 
new Brother HL-L2380DN in the box sitting on a bench I am going to 
install this weekend.  Hopefully it comes up as I want it to.


Just for grins, I did check on availability of your particular Lexmark 
and it's availability here in the states.  Just checked a few places but 
it's an older model and doesn't seem to be readily available anymore.  
That is the problem I found with many of the printers I looked up.  They 
were either high priced or no longer available, older models.  I thank 
all you guys tho for your help and if I can't get this Brother to work 
will go thru the list of responses and see what I can find still 
available.  You guys are great and very helpful and I really do 
appreciate it.  Thanks a bunch.


Regards,
whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 07/03/2017 02:41 PM, Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
> I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
> to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.
> 
> Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
> printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
> 1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
> there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.
> 
> Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Hi Whit,

my favorite brand for printers is Lexmark. They usually have good
drivers for Linux and have cheap models.

I have Lexmark MS310DN, it's monochrome laser network printer and
supports duplex printing (double side). I bought it for about 100 EUR
without VAT.

HTH

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Brian]

On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 15:31:51 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 04 Jul 2017 at 09:05:21 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
> > Brian  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > > > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > > A Brother with all of:
> > > > > 
> > > > > - ethernet networking
> > > > > - duplex
> > > > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > > > >   GhostScript)
> > > > > 
> > > > > will not need a driver.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > > > 
> > > > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > > > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > > > drivers, but 2?
> > > > 
> > > > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > > > does seem to require a driver.
> > > 
> > > I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> > > without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> > > a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.
> > 
> > I know that it has PCL6 emulation, but the fact is that I have never
> > been able to get it working properly without Brother's binary blob
> > drivers, nor have I seen any reports of anyone who has.
> 
> Depends what you mean by "properly".
> 
> The PPD in /etc/cups/ppd has a line beginning *cupsFilter:. . Alter
> the line to read
> 
>   *cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-raster 50 rastertohp"
> 
> Restart cups and do
> 
>   lp -d  /etc/nsswitch
> 
> That file prints out perfectly on my PCL/PCLX capable LaserJet. (I used
> a Brother PPD, with the altered line, for your printer).
> 
> I am unsure about "50" in the *cupsFilter: line. "0" might be better.

Reports of success from Brother printer users would be of benefit.

Another technique would be to use a Generic PCL6 (or maybe PCL5) PPD or
the pxlmono one; a disadvantage might be that needed printer features
are missing from them but they have been reported to work.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Brian]

On Tue 04 Jul 2017 at 09:05:21 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
> Brian  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > > A Brother with all of:
> > > > 
> > > > - ethernet networking
> > > > - duplex
> > > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > > >   GhostScript)
> > > > 
> > > > will not need a driver.
> > > > 
> > > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > > 
> > > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > > drivers, but 2?
> > > 
> > > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > > does seem to require a driver.
> > 
> > I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> > without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> > a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.
> 
> I know that it has PCL6 emulation, but the fact is that I have never
> been able to get it working properly without Brother's binary blob
> drivers, nor have I seen any reports of anyone who has.

Depends what you mean by "properly".

The PPD in /etc/cups/ppd has a line beginning *cupsFilter:. . Alter
the line to read

  *cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-raster 50 rastertohp"

Restart cups and do

  lp -d  /etc/nsswitch

That file prints out perfectly on my PCL/PCLX capable LaserJet. (I used
a Brother PPD, with the altered line, for your printer).

I am unsure about "50" in the *cupsFilter: line. "0" might be better.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Celejar]

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > A Brother with all of:
> > > 
> > > - ethernet networking
> > > - duplex
> > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > >   GhostScript)
> > > 
> > > will not need a driver.
> > > 
> > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > 
> > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > drivers, but 2?
> > 
> > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > does seem to require a driver.
> 
> I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.

I know that it has PCL6 emulation, but the fact is that I have never
been able to get it working properly without Brother's binary blob
drivers, nor have I seen any reports of anyone who has.

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Brian]

On Tue 04 Jul 2017 at 12:03:45 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> > Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > A Brother with all of:
> > > 
> > > - ethernet networking
> > > - duplex
> > > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> > >   GhostScript)
> > > 
> > > will not need a driver.
> > > 
> > > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> > 
> > Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> > think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> > drivers, but 2?
> > 
> > FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> > does seem to require a driver.
> 
> I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
> without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
> a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.

To explain further. Neither of these two printers have networking
capabilities (ethernet or wireless):

  Brother MFC-8420  Printer Drivers / EmulationsBR-Script 3
PCL 6
PostScript 3
Peripheral / Interface Devices  USB port

  Brother HL-L5000D emulation(s)PCL6
BR-Script3
IBM Proprinter
Epson FX
PDF Version 1.7
XPS Version 1.0
Standard Interface(s)   Parallel, Hi-Speed USB 2.0

Both will (or should) print a PostScript or PCL 6 file which is sent to
them over a USB connection. BR-Script 3 is Brother's version of Adobe's
PostScript, is undocumented and has no connection with Ghostscript, as
far as is known; PCL6 is a documented HP product. Debian has enough free
software to produce both PostScript and PCL to enable a user to dispense
with a non-free driver.

With more recent printer models the situation can become murky. For
example, the Brother HL-3140CW is host based (no PCL6 or BR-Script3
emulation) but it has a wireless network interface. One would perhaps
think the Brother proprietary driver would be essential. However, it is
an IPP printer and Debian has the means for a user not to have to use a
non-free driver.

The provision of automatic duplex on a device is a matter of economics
and marketing and has no bearing on whether or not a free driver is
used.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Dan Ritter]

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:15:19PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > A Brother with all of:
> > 
> > - ethernet networking
> > - duplex
> > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> >   GhostScript)
> > 
> > will not need a driver.
> > 
> > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> 
> Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> drivers, but 2?
> 
> FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> does seem to require a driver.

I don't know whether duplex comes along for the ride or is a
deliberate move on their part; however, nearly all Brother
printers now have it and so it may not be relevant.

-dsr-

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Brian]

On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
> Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > A Brother with all of:
> > 
> > - ethernet networking
> > - duplex
> > - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
> >   GhostScript)
> > 
> > will not need a driver.
> > 
> > Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)
> 
> Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
> think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
> drivers, but 2?
> 
> FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
> does seem to require a driver.

I do not see why 1 and 2 are in any way necessary to use a printer
without a proprietary driver. PostScript or PCL6 emulation is, however,
a pre-condition. The HL-2280DW has PCL6 emulation.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 07/03/2017 04:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.


Less than a month ago that driver was upgraded: 
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us=en=hl2270dw_all 





Whit


Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 at sda13
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Celejar]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

...

> A Brother with all of:
> 
> - ethernet networking
> - duplex
> - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
>   GhostScript)
> 
> will not need a driver.
> 
> Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
drivers, but 2?

FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
does seem to require a driver.

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Celejar]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:05:52 -0400
Adam Rosi-Kessel  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> > currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> > finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
> > not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
> > Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.
> 
> I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
> scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner

I have been similarly very satisfied with what I believe is another
model in this line (in between the OP's and Adam's), the HL-2280DW
(Brother uses 'D' to indicate duplex and 'W' to indicate wireless). It
does require binary, non-free blobs from Brother, which I am admittedly
unhappy with, but once these are installed, the printer (I've never
really used the scanner functionality) just works (via CUPS) -
reliably, consistently, rarely jamming or exhibiting any other sort of
malfunction. And third party toner replacement is famously very cheap
for Brother models, although quality can reportedly vary widely.

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 05:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:54:34 -0400 Whit Hansell 
wrote:



On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink
every month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to
be more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink
(or ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles
getting clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity
environment making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...



Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement
with a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a
month but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3
times the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722
and the last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last
year I have been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so
am having to keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge
and I have cut back on my printing considerably and really get honked
off when it spits out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't
print from a pre-set printjob setup from the web page source.  And my
1510 just died on  me so am in need of a new printer so decided on a
laser printer as I care not for color.

Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You
all have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.

Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

I tired of inkjet printers (and having to replace or fill the
cartridges)  and purchased a factory refurbhished Samsung ML-1710
(discontinued model) B laser printer for $75 US.  Still going strong
11 years later. Fairly low volume. Less than 1000 sheets per year.  And
Linux drivers from Samsung, too.  But looking to replace it with a
duplex printing model with higher resolution for $300 or less.  I'm
patient. So, I can wait for a sale, but whatever I buy, it will be a
Samsung model for sure.

B


Thanks for the reply B.  Hadn't thought of Samsung.  Will keep them in 
mind if need be.  Much appreciated

whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:54:34 -0400 Whit Hansell 
wrote:

> 
> 
> On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> >> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> >> is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> >> interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink
> >> every month even when I'm not printing much.
> > Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to
> > be more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink
> > (or ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles
> > getting clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity
> > environment making the toner get too humid to work properly?
> >
> > If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> > until you've considered the cause of the problem...
> >
> >
> Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement
> with a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a
> month but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3
> times the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722
> and the last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last
> year I have been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so
> am having to keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge
> and I have cut back on my printing considerably and really get honked
> off when it spits out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't
> print from a pre-set printjob setup from the web page source.  And my
> 1510 just died on  me so am in need of a new printer so decided on a
> laser printer as I care not for color.
> 
> Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You
> all have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.
> 
> Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

I tired of inkjet printers (and having to replace or fill the
cartridges)  and purchased a factory refurbhished Samsung ML-1710
(discontinued model) B laser printer for $75 US.  Still going strong
11 years later. Fairly low volume. Less than 1000 sheets per year.  And
Linux drivers from Samsung, too.  But looking to replace it with a
duplex printing model with higher resolution for $300 or less.  I'm
patient. So, I can wait for a sale, but whatever I buy, it will be a
Samsung model for sure.

B

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 12:39 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to
download and install, brother driver.

And, because I needed a  tabloid format printer, 11x17 inches
occasionally, I bought one of the brother ink jets, an MFC-6920DW
which also claims good ppm's but does NOT deliver. Its about 1.5ppm at
best, and gain you must use the brother drivers which are partially
broken in the when it wakes up the printer to start a job, the first 6
packets it sends have a bad tcp checksum before it sends good data.
Thats 6 seconds wasted right there.  Its actually a pretty fast copier.
So the network connect is a bottleneck. It self exercises at about 4
hour intervals, keeping nozzles clean, but doesn't seem to waste a lot
of ink doing it as I'm perhaps halfway thru the first set of refills at
a dozen reams of paper, some of it glossy and most std 24 lb copy paper.
I have it setup at an address on my local network because the inputs are
internal, and I'd have to buy and put another usb hub near it because
the input connectors are a rather circuitous route thru trenches in the
top of the printer floor under the scanner and that uses up around 30
inches of a usb cables maximum length. It was expedient to use the LAN
connector as my switch was well within reach. But I don't think it runs
at gigabit speeds, and thats the pages a minute bottleneck. My network
is all gigabit, but the printer spends a lot of time waiting on data.

OTOH, the asking price at the local Staples was under $300, so I guess I
got what I paid for. Ink is individual tanks, and easily outlasts the
last Epson ink jet I had, which despite its exercise that wasted 2/3rds
of the ink I used, clogged its head in about a month the first time.
And I kept it for its scanner for a while but the scanner in this
brother is 10x faster, does better color, with an ADF to boot.  Other
than its print speed, whats not to like? 20x the ink lifetime at less
than the Epson price per color on the pegboards at the store.  I'll buy
it again if it lasts as long as its baby brother laser has.  Its in its
second year and I have NOT had to "clean the nozzles".

No, I don't work for brother, I'm just a retired 82 year old fart,
puttering about in the garage with metal cutting machines, CNC versions
which I've done the conversion to CNC myself.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thank you Gene.  Much appreciated.
whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 03:22 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 07/03/17 04:41, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


I have a HP P2055dn:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P2000-Printer-series/3662052/model/3662058/ 




It's on my Gigabit SOHO LAN and is supported OOTB by Debian GNU/Linux, 
FreeBSD, and Windows XP, Vista, and 7.  I like the LAN connection, 
duplexing, and speed.  I don't like the flimsy plastic construction, 
the overpriced HP toner cartridges, or the cheap generic cartridges 
that smear/haze after a few reams.



I was able to catch a sale a Staples when HP was also offering a 
trade-in bonus (I gave them my old LaserJet 4).



You can find them used on eBay for ~$60+.


David



Thank you David

And thank you all you guys.  You are all very helpful with your 
recommendations and info.  I'm acutally feeling better about this now 
that I may actually get a printer working soon.  Again, thank all you 
guys...  So much.


Whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 02:46 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:39:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to
download and install, brother driver.

A Brother with all of:

- ethernet networking
- duplex
- BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
   GhostScript)

will not need a driver.

Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

-dsr-



Thank you so much Dan.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 01:41 PM, Tom Dial wrote:


On 07/03/2017 05:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I recommend looking at Hewlett-Packard printers, toward the middle or
high end of your desired price range. I have used them for quite a few
years, from the 1020 and P1505 to the M477 multifunction printer.

Using CUPS and hplip, the support is generally complete and pretty
current, and not hard to set up, even for Windows systems on the same
network. Given that CUPS originally was an Apple product, it should be
pretty easy to use any of them with a networked Apple system as well.

For printers in the small/medium business line, warranty service also is
very good, at least if you purchase directly from HP and incur the
additional cost that goes with that.

Full disclosure: I do own Hewlett-Packard shares, although not enough
that I would likely benefit measurably from sale of a few more printers
or toner cartridges.



Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


Thanks Tom. I have ordered out the printe that Adam recommended and pray 
that I can get it to work as I'm totally frustrated w. this printer 
issue.  But if I can't I will be sure to follow your advice and se what 
HP has available too.  As mentioned before i had already tried to find 
laser printers from the lnux list and they were too high priced or 
unavailable.   But will go back and try again if need be.


Thanks a bunch for your reply and recommendations.  Much appreciated.
whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[rhkramer]

On Monday, July 03, 2017 11:54:34 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> Thanks for your reply,  

You're welcome!

> Maybe I should have prefaced that statement with
> a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a month
> but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3 times
> the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722 and the
> last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last year I have
> been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so am having to
> keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge and I have cut
> back on my printing considerably and really get honked off when it spits
> out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't print from a pre-set
> printjob setup from the web page source.  And my 1510 just died on  me
> so am in need of a new printer so decided on a laser printer as I care
> not for color.

I still have (and use) a Canon BJC-3000 printer, and a NIB spare--the 
cartridges are super easy to refill, and, I add just a "hair" of rubbing 
alcohol which seems to keep the ink cartridges from clogging.  No chips, no 
need for a  vacuum--just remove the (now screw) plug, inject ink, replace the 
screw.

Wish they kept making them that way!

> Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You all
> have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.
> 
> Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.
> 
> Whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[David Christensen]

On 07/03/17 04:41, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


I have a HP P2055dn:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P2000-Printer-series/3662052/model/3662058/


It's on my Gigabit SOHO LAN and is supported OOTB by Debian GNU/Linux, 
FreeBSD, and Windows XP, Vista, and 7.  I like the LAN connection, 
duplexing, and speed.  I don't like the flimsy plastic construction, the 
overpriced HP toner cartridges, or the cheap generic cartridges that 
smear/haze after a few reams.



I was able to catch a sale a Staples when HP was also offering a 
trade-in bonus (I gave them my old LaserJet 4).



You can find them used on eBay for ~$60+.


David

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Dan Ritter]

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:39:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> > > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> > > is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> > > interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
> > > month even when I'm not printing much.
> >
> > Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
> > more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
> > ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
> > clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
> > making the toner get too humid to work properly?
> >
> > If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> > until you've considered the cause of the problem...
> 
> Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX 
> b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner 
> cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving 
> computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was 
> brand new.
> 
> The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to 
> download and install, brother driver.

A Brother with all of:

- ethernet networking
- duplex
- BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
  GhostScript)

will not need a driver.

Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

-dsr-

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Tom Dial]

On 07/03/2017 05:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
> I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
> to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I recommend looking at Hewlett-Packard printers, toward the middle or
high end of your desired price range. I have used them for quite a few
years, from the 1020 and P1505 to the M477 multifunction printer.

Using CUPS and hplip, the support is generally complete and pretty
current, and not hard to set up, even for Windows systems on the same
network. Given that CUPS originally was an Apple product, it should be
pretty easy to use any of them with a networked Apple system as well.

For printers in the small/medium business line, warranty service also is
very good, at least if you purchase directly from HP and incur the
additional cost that goes with that.

Full disclosure: I do own Hewlett-Packard shares, although not enough
that I would likely benefit measurably from sale of a few more printers
or toner cartridges.


> 
> Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
> printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
> 1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
> there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.
> 
> Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Doug]

On 07/03/2017 06:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:
Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is 
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in 
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when 
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it 
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.


Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux 
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $ 
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering 
if there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.


Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


I have been using an hplj-pro-m201 (HP LaserJet Pro m-201) for about a 
year or so. It works nicely with Linux. The driver comes right up in 
PCLinuxOS, so no problem installing it.
Reasonably fast. Not very expensive. I don't remember what I paid for 
it, but it's certainly under $200. I print a lot of notes on various 
things Linux and ham radio, and miscellaneous,
and it has so far been completely reliable. I don't think it runs 
wireless, but I don't remember. I run it on my lan via CAT-5 cable.


--doug

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> > is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> > interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
> > month even when I'm not printing much.
>
> Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
> more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
> ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
> clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
> making the toner get too humid to work properly?
>
> If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX 
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner 
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving 
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was 
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to 
download and install, brother driver.

And, because I needed a  tabloid format printer, 11x17 inches 
occasionally, I bought one of the brother ink jets, an MFC-6920DW
which also claims good ppm's but does NOT deliver. Its about 1.5ppm at 
best, and gain you must use the brother drivers which are partially 
broken in the when it wakes up the printer to start a job, the first 6 
packets it sends have a bad tcp checksum before it sends good data.  
Thats 6 seconds wasted right there.  Its actually a pretty fast copier. 
So the network connect is a bottleneck. It self exercises at about 4 
hour intervals, keeping nozzles clean, but doesn't seem to waste a lot 
of ink doing it as I'm perhaps halfway thru the first set of refills at 
a dozen reams of paper, some of it glossy and most std 24 lb copy paper.
I have it setup at an address on my local network because the inputs are 
internal, and I'd have to buy and put another usb hub near it because 
the input connectors are a rather circuitous route thru trenches in the 
top of the printer floor under the scanner and that uses up around 30 
inches of a usb cables maximum length. It was expedient to use the LAN 
connector as my switch was well within reach. But I don't think it runs 
at gigabit speeds, and thats the pages a minute bottleneck. My network 
is all gigabit, but the printer spends a lot of time waiting on data.

OTOH, the asking price at the local Staples was under $300, so I guess I 
got what I paid for. Ink is individual tanks, and easily outlasts the 
last Epson ink jet I had, which despite its exercise that wasted 2/3rds 
of the ink I used, clogged its head in about a month the first time.  
And I kept it for its scanner for a while but the scanner in this 
brother is 10x faster, does better color, with an ADF to boot.  Other 
than its print speed, whats not to like? 20x the ink lifetime at less 
than the Epson price per color on the pegboards at the store.  I'll buy 
it again if it lasts as long as its baby brother laser has.  Its in its 
second year and I have NOT had to "clean the nozzles".

No, I don't work for brother, I'm just a retired 82 year old fart, 
puttering about in the garage with metal cutting machines, CNC versions 
which I've done the conversion to CNC myself.

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Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be more
specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or ink cartridge)--
is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting clogged, or maybe a laser
printer in a high humidity environment making the toner get too humid to work
properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer until
you've considered the cause of the problem...


Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement with 
a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a month 
but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3 times 
the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722 and the 
last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last year I have 
been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so am having to 
keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge and I have cut 
back on my printing considerably and really get honked off when it spits 
out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't print from a pre-set 
printjob setup from the web page source.  And my 1510 just died on  me 
so am in need of a new printer so decided on a laser printer as I care 
not for color.


Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You all 
have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.


Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

Whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[rhkramer]

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
> I'm not printing much.  

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be more 
specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or ink cartridge)--
is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting clogged, or maybe a laser 
printer in a high humidity environment making the toner get too humid to work 
properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer until 
you've considered the cause of the problem...

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

On 07/03/2017 08:05 AM, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BHSL7VY/ (I believe that's
refurbished). Our home has a variety of Linux, Windows, OSX, and iOS
devices, and it works fine with all of them. (The iOS devices print
through the Linux box via CUPS/Airprint).

Adam


Adam, Thanks so much for your recommendation.  It looks like exactly 
what I am desiring.  I'm going to go ahead and order one today.. 
Thanking you very much.


whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

[Adam Rosi-Kessel]

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
> not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
> Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BHSL7VY/ (I believe that's
refurbished). Our home has a variety of Linux, Windows, OSX, and iOS
devices, and it works fine with all of them. (The iOS devices print
through the Linux box via CUPS/Airprint).

Adam

Laser Printer recommendation...

[Whit Hansell]

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is 
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in 
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when 
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it 
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.


Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux 
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $ 
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if 
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.


Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit

Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Brad Sims]

On Saturday 16 September 2006 8:56 pm, Miles Bader wrote:

 Er, are there any popular choices that have _good_ print quality?
 
 [My only experience with printers is those at work, which tend to be
 very high quality, though I assume they're pretty expensive too.]

My choice, is a used laserjet 4+. Great prints, print life, moderate speed
(10-12 PPM), and built like a Russian tank. 

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 15 Sep 2006, Ken Wahl wrote:
 I'm quite satisfied with the Brother HL-2060 I purchased a year ago for
 about $120. It sells now on NewEgg for $106. The Brother HL-2070N looks
 like the model that would fit your needs, specifically ethernet
 connectivity. It's selling on NewEgg for $135. Go here [1] to see the
 reviews on NewEgg.
 
 Linux drivers are available from the Brother website [2] but for me the
 HL-1250 ppd in cups works fine.
 
 [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16828113165
 [2] http://www.brother.com/E-ftp/info/index.html
 
 -- 
 Ken Wahl


I have a Kyocera Mita FS1010. It has the merit that the drum never needs
replacing in the life of the printer (if it does fail, Kyocera are very
good about replacing it for free). It works well with Linux; it will
work with Cups but I prefer magicfilter.

Anthony

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[B.Hoffmann]

Thanks everybody for the feedback. I'll be going for a Brother, they
seem to bundle DEBs and other format linux drivers on their cd, should
be supported.
Just why is the HL-2070N $136,- on newegg and £144 on dabs here? At an
exchange rate of around $1.80 to one £ this should be... a lot less. Oh
well, just more of the same rip off, business loves the UK.



Kind Regards,
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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Arafangion]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:15:24 +1000, B.Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Thanks everybody for the feedback. I'll be going for a Brother, they
seem to bundle DEBs and other format linux drivers on their cd, should
be supported.
Just why is the HL-2070N $136,- on newegg and £144 on dabs here? At an
exchange rate of around $1.80 to one £ this should be... a lot less. Oh
well, just more of the same rip off, business loves the UK.
I had a brother, and they do seem to be reasonable using the built-in  
linux drivers,

however I now use a Lexmark. (I decided to give toner refills a go, and
it ruined my drum)

The lexmark printers appear to be better designed for recycling and are
cheaper - albit at marginally worse print quality. (Both printers
are very poor quality, so this makes little difference).
Lexmark also has debian drivers, though they do not appear to be integrated
with CUPS (I use compatible drivers from teh cups database instead).

In short, give Lexmark a gander.  In Australia, at least, they are the
cheaper choice (At least, at the shop I went to).




Kind Regards,
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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Miles Bader]

Arafangion [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The lexmark printers appear to be better designed for recycling and are
 cheaper - albit at marginally worse print quality. (Both printers
 are very poor quality, so this makes little difference).

Er, are there any popular choices that have _good_ print quality?

[My only experience with printers is those at work, which tend to be
very high quality, though I assume they're pretty expensive too.]

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Arafangion]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:56:57 +1000, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Arafangion [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The lexmark printers appear to be better designed for recycling and are
cheaper - albit at marginally worse print quality. (Both printers
are very poor quality, so this makes little difference).


Er, are there any popular choices that have _good_ print quality?

[My only experience with printers is those at work, which tend to be
very high quality, though I assume they're pretty expensive too.]

-Miles


I doubt you will get _good_ print quality with any low-end printer,
but you will certainly get decent enough for any mere mortal, and indeed,
any business. (imho)

On the other hand, if you want really, really black blacks, (I've
seen printers that produce printouts that you can actually SEE the
text raised on the paper - they were that black - plus, they used
alot of ink) - this is, however, a different league.

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laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[B.Hoffmann]

Hello dear list users,

it's been a while (6 years) since I last owned a printer but now the
time has come where it looks needed at home.

Always liked the Samsung or Brother models due to small footprint and
looks (well one can argue about that) but not sure how good they are
with Linux and specifically our favourite distro.

Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
be overkill.
Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
all machines over the network.
Ethernet connectivity would be nice and I could forgo usb then. (No wifi
in this house for at least another two years.)

Machines here are all using 2.6.xx kernels, the power specc'ed one
Debian Etch, an old Duron one Ubuntu 5.10 (which will probably be
changed to Etch as well later in the year) and usually one other distro
to play around /test.

Thank you for your suggestions. Hope this is not OT.

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RE: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Roman Laubinger]

 Always liked the Samsung or Brother models due to
 small footprint and
 looks (well one can argue about that) but not sure
 how good they are
 with Linux and specifically our favourite distro.

Hi,

personally, I own a Brother 1430 (yes, it is an older
model) and just recently installed etch after using it
under gentoo for quite a while.
After installing printconf, everything was set up
automatically and the printer worked out-of-the-box.
Perfect. I just had to readjust the paper size from
letter to DIN.

I will upgrade to a Brother 2030 soon (because the
1430 is going to run out of juice soon and replacing
it would have been too costly). That Model has USB as
well; if it does not work, I can post to the list if
you'd like, but I guess there will be no pain, either.
So I would go for Brother any time.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[hendrik]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 11:50:37AM +0100, B.Hoffmann wrote:
 Hello dear list users,
 
 it's been a while (6 years) since I last owned a printer but now the
 time has come where it looks needed at home.
 
 Always liked the Samsung or Brother models due to small footprint and
 looks (well one can argue about that) but not sure how good they are
 with Linux and specifically our favourite distro.
 
 Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
 page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
 be overkill.
 Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
 to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
 all machines over the network.
 Ethernet connectivity would be nice and I could forgo usb then. (No wifi
 in this house for at least another two years.)
 
 Machines here are all using 2.6.xx kernels, the power specc'ed one
 Debian Etch, an old Duron one Ubuntu 5.10 (which will probably be
 changed to Etch as well later in the year) and usually one other distro
 to play around /test.

I wouldn't mind knowing your reasone for switching from 
Ubuntu to Etch -- not that I'm surprised.  I've been forced in the 
opposite direction by xorg crashes.

 
 Thank you for your suggestions. Hope this is not OT.

I'm using a brother HL-1870N which just connected to my ethernet, and 
automatically became accessible to all the machines on my LAN with only 
trivial configuration.

I use CUPS on Linux.
It works on Windows, too.

If I were to forward the relevant ports you could probably print on my 
printer, too.

It does not do colour, though.  I'm looking for a recommendation for an 
inexpensive, *very* *reliable* colour printer that's good enough for a 
graphic artist and is completely Linux-compatible.  I doesn't have to be 
fast.  I'd appreciate a waterproof ink.

My epson 777i tended to clog, wasn't very Linux-friendly (my Windows 
machines have been dying, becomeing unreinstallable, though Linux 
soldiers on) and now the ink has become drippy. 

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/15/06 05:50, B.Hoffmann wrote:
 Hello dear list users,
 
 it's been a while (6 years) since I last owned a printer but now the
 time has come where it looks needed at home.
 
 Always liked the Samsung or Brother models due to small footprint and
 looks (well one can argue about that) but not sure how good they are
 with Linux and specifically our favourite distro.
 
 Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
 page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
 be overkill.
 Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
 to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
 all machines over the network.
 Ethernet connectivity would be nice and I could forgo usb then. (No wifi
 in this house for at least another two years.)
 
 Machines here are all using 2.6.xx kernels, the power specc'ed one
 Debian Etch, an old Duron one Ubuntu 5.10 (which will probably be
 changed to Etch as well later in the year) and usually one other distro
 to play around /test.
 
 Thank you for your suggestions. Hope this is not OT.

With the LaserJet 1100 getting old in the tooth, and the kids
entering 2nd Grade, we decided a color printer would be best.  But,
of course, ink jets are expensive to operate and the ink runs out at
inopportune moments.  So I got a Dell 3100cn on sale for $350.
Color laser with PostScript3.  Network and USB capable.  Works fine
with CUPS, but you've got to tell it that the 3100cn is a Lexmark.
(Google will tell you which model number.)

The only problem is that it's *huge*, 21x17x17 hwd.

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[B.Hoffmann]

Hendrik wrote:


 I wouldn't mind knowing your reasone for switching from 
 Ubuntu to Etch -- not that I'm surprised.  I've been forced in the 
 opposite direction by xorg crashes.
 
 

5.10 is getting a bit old with EoL approaching next March. Though that
one is very stable here and has been running well since the previews
more than a year ago I don't really like their newer version
(6.04/Dapper).

Also an upgrade on another machine did not go as smooth as it should
have and there were lots of reviews around a while ago with other people
experiencing the same.

So with Etch coming along so nicely (32 bit version here on an AMD 64 X2
and no problems in about two months since install) if I have to
reinstall anyway might as well go for the real thing, and I find the
Debian philosophy and mailing lists and web pages more agreeable than
Ubuntu's forums etc.
Last year round there wasn't much choice if you wanted up to date Gnome
etc. but Etch is def. a huge step from Sarge (not that I'm dissing it,
but it was a bit old for the desktop).

...and then the brown is starting to seriously annoy me, so much that I
even got rid of the boot up splash and rather watch the whole thing
raw...



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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[B.Hoffmann]

Ron Johnson, Jr. wrote:


 With the LaserJet 1100 getting old in the tooth, and the kids
 entering 2nd Grade, we decided a color printer would be best.  But,
 of course, ink jets are expensive to operate and the ink runs out at
 inopportune moments.  So I got a Dell 3100cn on sale for $350.


$350 ? I was working in market research when colour laser printers were
just starting to penetrate the market for home users and were about
$4000 (or pounds, can't remember).


Kind Regards,
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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Albert Dengg]

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 11:50:37AM +0100, B.Hoffmann wrote:
 Hello dear list users,
 
 it's been a while (6 years) since I last owned a printer but now the
 time has come where it looks needed at home.
 
 Always liked the Samsung or Brother models due to small footprint and
 looks (well one can argue about that) but not sure how good they are
 with Linux and specifically our favourite distro.

just a personal opinion...i have a samsung ML 2600 (usb  parallel port
only) which a bit older...
i have two points though:
the toner cassets are relativly constly and are now a bit problematic to
get (the printer is now 4 years old)...
to me it seems that other companys have a bit better record for
long-term replacement parts (and having more 3rd party parts are also
cheaper)

and i'm a bit disapointed about it sometimes having troubles with the paper feed
since it is about 2 years old (and in the first 2 years not that many
pages printed, only about 4000 or so (ok thats relative...))

yours
albert

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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

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On 09/15/06 09:12, B.Hoffmann wrote:
 Ron Johnson, Jr. wrote:
 
 
 With the LaserJet 1100 getting old in the tooth, and the kids
 entering 2nd Grade, we decided a color printer would be best.  But,
 of course, ink jets are expensive to operate and the ink runs out at
 inopportune moments.  So I got a Dell 3100cn on sale for $350.
 
 
 $350 ? I was working in market research when colour laser printers were
 just starting to penetrate the market for home users and were about
 $4000 (or pounds, can't remember).

Looks like they've replaced the 3100cn with the 3110cn.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_3110cn?c=uscs=04l=ens=bsd

Standard $500, but $375 after $125 instant rebate.


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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Hans du Plooy]

On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 11:50 +0100, B.Hoffmann wrote:
 Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
 page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
 be overkill.
 Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
 to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
 all machines over the network.

HP Laserjet 1022n is an excellent network enabled one.  I installed one
for a client just this morning.  Also small footprint, good looking,
prints relatively quickly.

*NOT* the 1020 - it's a completely different printer.

Hans


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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Russell L. Harris]

B.Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
 page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
 be overkill.
 Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
 to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
 all machines over the network.
 Ethernet connectivity would be nice and I could forgo usb then. (No wifi
 in this house for at least another two years.)

For compatibility and overall economy, the larger HP LaserJets are difficult
to beat.  For example, the 4100N came with Postscript Level 2 and
JetDirect ethernet interface standard.  The combination of Postscript
and JetDirect eliminates all concern regarding compatibility.

The high-capacity toner cartridge (X suffix) gives in excess of 10,000
pages per $120 cartridge, printing a thousand sheets after the toner
low message is displayed, and several hundred more sheet after the
toner out message is displayed.  The extra cost of the machinery is
amortized quickly by the savings in toner cartridges, even with genuine
HP cartridges.

RLH


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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Geoff Reidy]

B.Hoffmann wrote:


 Talking about b/w laser printer. As it's for personal use the highest
 page number per minute is not essential, and 4MB memory would probably
 be overkill.
 Important to me is 1.) usb connectivity these days and/or 2.) ethernet
 to connect to my router (D-link DI-604) for better accessibility from
 all machines over the network.

I bought the cheapest one I could find which was the Samsung ML-1610.
It came with linux drivers but those stopped working after a cups update.
I'm now using it with the cups drivers for the Samsung ML-1510, had to
set the margins with a program called alignmargins but apart from that
minor hassle it works well, good unit.

Geoff


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Re: laser printer recommendation for personal use?

[Ken Wahl]

I'm quite satisfied with the Brother HL-2060 I purchased a year ago for
about $120. It sells now on NewEgg for $106. The Brother HL-2070N looks
like the model that would fit your needs, specifically ethernet
connectivity. It's selling on NewEgg for $135. Go here [1] to see the
reviews on NewEgg.

Linux drivers are available from the Brother website [2] but for me the
HL-1250 ppd in cups works fine.

[1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16828113165
[2] http://www.brother.com/E-ftp/info/index.html

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