Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:53:41AM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Kent West wrote: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) Not an offtopic question. You are using Debian, so this is relevant IMHO. Great, I have a bad case of flatulence. Should I see a Doctor or is it just a passing fad? -- Chris. == Don't forget to check that your /etc/apt/sources.lst entries point to etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once etch goes stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:53:41AM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Kent West wrote: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) Not an offtopic question. You are using Debian, so this is relevant IMHO. Great, I have a bad case of flatulence. Should I see a Doctor or is it just a passing fad? Heh, passing fad -- Kent West Westing Peacefully http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 22:23:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:53:41AM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Kent West wrote: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) Not an offtopic question. You are using Debian, so this is relevant IMHO. Great, I have a bad case of flatulence. Should I see a Doctor or is it just a passing fad? Maybe you should use a less bloated desktop environment... -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Kent West: What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will be necessary. I currently do this in OO.o with a monospace font and manually spacing over to where the chord name goes. I am sure this works reasonably well, but I gues it is a little bit ugly. You can sureley do exactly the same thing with LaTeX, but if you do it doesn't gain you very much. As an alternative, there are some LaTeX styles directly related to your problem and their example output looks quite good: http://www.rath.ca/Misc/Songbook/index.shtml The songs will be one (or maybe two or three short ones) to a page, with a few taking two or three pages. The pages won't be numbered, but I will want them in alphabetical order by category (mine, Christmas songs, Country songs, etc), and then a table of contents. This way I can add a new song/page without having to re-print the entire book of songs; I can just print the one song and the newly-generated table of contents, and then replace the current TOC in my book with the new one and put the new song/page into the proper place alphabetically into the book. I do not think LaTeX can help you with the task of automatically sorting the songs for you, but you are not forced to use page numbers and TOC generation is really easy. And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already? As I have never used LaTeX for this task, I cancot comment on whether it's worth learning LaTeX only for this task. However, after learning it by doing a beamer presentation and then doing my diploma thesis with it, I found it very useful for other tasks (resume writing, DIN-compliant letters) as well. The learning curve is not that steep, at least if you are a little bit familiar with other markup or programming languages. So the benefits of learning LaTeX, as I see it, is that is a useful tool for a lot of tasks and that it generally produces (sometimes awesomely) beautiful output. J. -- Watching television is more hip than actually speaking to anyone. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Kent West wrote:
(Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian
question.)
Verse 1
A
I wanna make you smile
Bm
Whenever you're sad
C#m
Carry you around
D
When your arthritis is bad
A E
All I wanna do is
D A E
Grow old with you.
What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up
with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will
be necessary. I currently do this in OO.o with a monospace font and
manually spacing over to where the chord name goes.
With plain LaTeX, I would just define a proper macro for algning the
letters, say
\newcommand{chord}{Definition of how to put chord A over letter a}
and then whenever your want a chord, you just type \chord{chord}{letter}
whenever you want chord over a letter.
The songs will be one (or maybe two or three short ones) to a page, with
a few taking two or three pages. The pages won't be numbered, but I will
want them in alphabetical order by category (mine, Christmas songs,
Country songs, etc), and then a table of contents. This way I can add a
new song/page without having to re-print the entire book of songs; I can
just print the one song and the newly-generated table of contents, and
then replace the current TOC in my book with the new one and put the new
song/page into the proper place alphabetically into the book.
My suggestion is to use one .tex-file per song, where the filename is
the title of the song (replace spaces by _). You can then just to use
'ls' and 'sort' or the like to create an alphabetical list of your
songs. These will then be incorporated into your songbooks
latex-master-file in alphabetical order. [Hint: \include{filename}]
My basic question is this: Is LaTeX suitable for this sort of document?
Yes.
And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or
should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already?
Yes, as someone else has pointed out, you will soon discover that you
can do many useful neat tricks you never knew of...
I'm no guitarplayer, and so I don't know if that is really what you
wanted, but here comes my little LaTeX hack to do what I think you
wanted to achieve. The pdf (7.2k) of all that is attached as well.
Johannes
NB: I don't know if this alignment (without use of a monospace font!) is
what you would want, but that could be changed easily. Probably one
would also like to improve the linespacing a bit.
---LaTeX-File---
\documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{article}
\newlength{\chordlength}
\newcommand{\chord}[2]{\settowidth{\chordlength}{#2}\parbox[b]{\chordlength}{#1\\#2}}
\begin{document}
\section{Verse 1}
\begin{verse}
I wanna m\chord{A}{a}ke you smile\\
Wh\chord{Bm}{e}never you're sad\\
C\chord{C\#m}{a}rry you around\\
When your arthr\chord{D}{i}tis is bad\\
\chord{A}{A}ll I wanna do \chord{E}{i}s\\
Grow \chord{D}{o}ld with y\chord{A}{o}u. \quad \chord{E}{ }
\end{verse}
\end{document}
---/LatexFile---
song.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Kent West wrote:
What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up
with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will
be necessary.
---LaTeX-File---
\documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{article}
\newlength{\chordlength}
\newcommand{\chord}[2]{\settowidth{\chordlength}{#2}\parbox[b]{\chordlength}{#1\\#2}}
\begin{document}
\section{Verse 1}
\begin{verse}
I wanna m\chord{A}{a}ke you smile\\
Wh\chord{Bm}{e}never you're sad\\
C\chord{C\#m}{a}rry you around\\
When your arthr\chord{D}{i}tis is bad\\
\chord{A}{A}ll I wanna do \chord{E}{i}s\\
Grow \chord{D}{o}ld with y\chord{A}{o}u. \quad \chord{E}{ }
\end{verse}
\end{document}
---/LatexFile---
Wow! That looks promising. I'll play with it later today.
Thanks!
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Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Kent West wrote: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) Not an offtopic question. You are using Debian, so this is relevant IMHO. I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got to wondering if it might be a better product. In your case, I suggest to use texmacs. The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html: I am unable to access this website. But I will give it a try with the song you provided. ADAM SANDLER THE WEDDING SINGER VOL.2 GROW OLD WITH YOU Transcribed by BEB 910 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Verse 1 A I wanna make you smile Bm Whenever you're sad C#m Carry you around D When your arthritis is bad A E All I wanna do is D A E Grow old with you. See the output attached. The commands I used are 1. select the text with your mouse 2. texmacs - Text - Environment - Verbatim 3. Edit - Paste from - Verbatim You just need to adjust the spaces if necessary And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already? I say go with texmacs. It's learning curve is not as steep as latex. You can pretty much do everything in texmacs + it is a GUI environment. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ song.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document TeXmacs|1.0.6.8 style|generic \body \verbatim Verse 1 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A I wanna make you smile Bm Whenever you're sad C#m Carry you around \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D When your arthritis is bad A \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E All I wanna do is \ \ \ \ \ D \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A \ \ \ \ E Grow old with you. \; \; Verse 2 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A I'll get you medicine Bm When your tummy aches C#m Build you a fire \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D When the furnace breaks A \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E It could be so nice \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ D \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A \ \ \ A7 Growing old with you. \; /verbatim /body \initial \collection associate|language|american associate|page-type|letter /collection /initial
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Hi, On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got to wondering if it might be a better product. The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html: Package: musixtex Description: Typeset music scores with TeX This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music score files. . MusiXTeX is a set of versatile and power TeX macros to typeset polyphonic, orchestral or choral music. It allows very fine control and produces professional printed music scores. . Due to the important amount of information to be provided to the typesetting process, coding MusiXTeX might appear to be awfully complicated, especially for beginners. Therefore, it is recommended to use MusiXTeX with some pre-processors, such as PMX and M-Tx, available as Debian packages. Package: musixlyr Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling: . * Typesetting lyrics with the native musixtex commands \zcharnote, \zsong etc. tends to be quite inefficient, particularly if the lyrics have to be changed or corrected. The idea underlying musixlyr is to separate lyrics coding from music coding and let TeX weave them together with as little manual interference as possible. As a result you can enter and edit lyrics (nearly) as easily as normal text. . * musixtex has no built-in mechanism for centering hyphens between syllables and for handling hyphenation at long melismas. This is implemented in musixlyr following the example of engraved music. . Author: Rainer Dunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Primary-site: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/indexmt6.html manoj -- Massachusetts has the best politicians money can buy. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Kent West wrote: (Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got to wondering if it might be a better product. snip It's already been said, but I am sure that LaTex has a variant to do what you want. However, it gets little discussion on this list. I usually ask comp.text.tex and get the answers. I find, after writing a book and publishing it in LaTex, that you can get anything at all done. Finding out how is the problem. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html: Package: musixtex Description: Typeset music scores with TeX This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music score files. Package: musixlyr Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling: Looks promising, but the learning curve appears to be a right-angle. From page 2 of the manual: If you are not familiar with TEX at all I would recommend to find another software package to do musical typesetting. Setting up TEX and MusiXTEX on your machine and mastering it is an awesome job which gobbles up a lot of your time and disk space. But, once you master it... Hans Kuykens I tried to find a _simple_ Step1-Step2-Step3 to go from a blank text file to a finished one-liner staff, but either my googling capabilities are inadequate, or as is typical of much Free software, the folks who know how to do stuff never bother to write for those who don't. (Don't get me wrong; I very much appreciate the efforts of the developers of Free software, etc; it just sometimes gets frustrating when you're coming in as a total newb, which I am when it comes to TeX and friends.) Thanks, though! -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com http://kentwest.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Hi, havnt been following this thread, just jumping in. This link has some samples of musixtex that you could perhaps use to get yourself familiar with it. Else use something like noteedit to edit your music and if you want, then you can export your music to musixtex. HTH Oli Þann 2007-02-15, 18:06:05 (-0600) skrifaði Kent West: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:55 -0600, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html: Package: musixtex Description: Typeset music scores with TeX This package contains the MusiXTeX macros, musixflex, MusiXTeX User's Manual in LaTeX source and DVI formats, and example source MusiXTeX music score files. Package: musixlyr Description: a MusiXTeX extension for handling lyrics musixlyr is a set of TeX macros to be used with Taupin MusiXTeX (version T.52 or later) for typesetting vocal music. Its purpose is to compensate two drawbacks of MusiXTeX's lyrics handling: Looks promising, but the learning curve appears to be a right-angle. From page 2 of the manual: If you are not familiar with TEX at all I would recommend to ï¬nd another software package to do musical typesetting. Setting up TEX and MusiXTEX on your machine and mastering it is an awesome job which gobbles up a lot of your time and disk space. But, once you master it... Hans Kuykens I tried to find a _simple_ Step1-Step2-Step3 to go from a blank text file to a finished one-liner staff, but either my googling capabilities are inadequate, or as is typical of much Free software, the folks who know how to do stuff never bother to write for those who don't. (Don't get me wrong; I very much appreciate the efforts of the developers of Free software, etc; it just sometimes gets frustrating when you're coming in as a total newb, which I am when it comes to TeX and friends.) Thanks, though! -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com http://kentwest.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: LaTeX with monospace material
Kent West: Looks promising, but the learning curve appears to be a right-angle. From page 2 of the manual: If you are not familiar with TEX at all I would recommend to find another software package to do musical typesetting. Setting up TEX and MusiXTEX on your machine and mastering it is an awesome job which gobbles up a lot of your time and disk space. But, once you master it... Hans Kuykens At least the part about the setup most probably does not apply to Debian at all, since the packages should just work out of the box. J. -- Atrocities committed in Rwanda pervade my mind when I am discussing mundanities with acquaintances. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
OT: LaTeX with monospace material
(Off-Topic because this is really a LaTeX question rather than a Debian question.) I've been using OpenOffice.org to produce paper copies of songs written for guitar, but with all the talk about LaTeX on this list lately, I got to wondering if it might be a better product. The material looks like standard guitar tabs you'd find on the web, like this, from http://www.guitaretab.com/a/adam-sandler/211.html: ADAM SANDLER THE WEDDING SINGER VOL.2 GROW OLD WITH YOU Transcribed by BEB 910 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Verse 1 A I wanna make you smile Bm Whenever you're sad C#m Carry you around D When your arthritis is bad A E All I wanna do is D A E Grow old with you. Verse 2 A I'll get you medicine Bm When your tummy aches C#m Build you a fire D When the furnace breaks AE It could be so nice D AA7 Growing old with you. Chorus D I'll miss you I'll kiss you A Give you my coat when you are cold D Need you Feed you E(hold) E D Even let you hold the remote control Verse 3 A Let me do the dishes Bm In our kitchen sink C#m Put you to bed D When you've had too much to drink A E I could be the man who DA Grows old with you E DA I wanna grow old with you What I'm concerned about is the chord names (A, D, etc) need to line up with the word where the chords change, which means exact placement will be necessary. I currently do this in OO.o with a monospace font and manually spacing over to where the chord name goes. The songs will be one (or maybe two or three short ones) to a page, with a few taking two or three pages. The pages won't be numbered, but I will want them in alphabetical order by category (mine, Christmas songs, Country songs, etc), and then a table of contents. This way I can add a new song/page without having to re-print the entire book of songs; I can just print the one song and the newly-generated table of contents, and then replace the current TOC in my book with the new one and put the new song/page into the proper place alphabetically into the book. My basic question is this: Is LaTeX suitable for this sort of document? And my second question: Is the learning curve going to be worth it, or should I just stick to OO.o which pretty much does the job already? Thanks! -- Kent West Westing Peacefully http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
