Re: Package Install Problem
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 03:09:51PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 13:57 +, Robin wrote: After running dpkg -i do: apt-get -f install which should help resolve straightforward issues. Good idea, but perhaps the OP needs to run dpkg -i --force-depends PACKAGE Not a good idea to recommend this! I've never needed to do this, and would be reluctant to do so. If the .deb is one that the OP picked up from off the net somewhere, then do you still think that 'dpkg -i --force-depends PACKAGE' needs to be run. Forcing something should be the last thing considered, and even then *only* if you are competent and know what it will do and why you are doing it. The error messages (which the OP didn't include) from the output of the dpkg -i PACKAGENAME would help here. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140217010425.GC24018@tal
Package Install Problem
I am trying to install a .deb package from the local hard drive using dpkg -i package.deb. It appears to read the package and then gives me a list of dependencies that are missing and that the package cannot be installed. The problem is that I am trying to move over to Debian from Fedora so am a NEWBIE in Debian. Is there a command in either dpkg or apt-get that will load a .deb from the local hard drive and resolve the dependencies? I cannot find it in any man package or document, possibly due to being new to this structure. Thanks Mike Dwiggins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ff6e99.30...@olddog.name
Re: Package Install Problem
On 15 February 2014 13:41, Mike m...@olddog.name wrote: I am trying to install a .deb package from the local hard drive using dpkg -i package.deb. It appears to read the package and then gives me a list of dependencies that are missing and that the package cannot be installed. The problem is that I am trying to move over to Debian from Fedora so am a NEWBIE in Debian. Is there a command in either dpkg or apt-get that will load a .deb from the local hard drive and resolve the dependencies? I cannot find it in any man package or document, possibly due to being new to this structure. Thanks Mike Dwiggins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ff6e99.30...@olddog.name After running dpkg -i do: apt-get -f install which should help resolve straightforward issues. from man apt-get: -f, --fix-broken Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This option, when used with install/remove, can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely solution. If packages are specified, these have to completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes necessary when running APT for the first time; APT itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system. It is possible that a system's dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(1) or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages). Use of this option together with -m may produce an error in some situations. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Fix-Broken. -- rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caozwb-pjxj6r6jzzxagsa2enw5pc1a_pxg1jcrokcx1wpoz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Package Install Problem
On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 06:41 -0700, Mike wrote: I am trying to install a .deb package from the local hard drive using dpkg -i package.deb. It appears to read the package and then gives me a list of dependencies that are missing and that the package cannot be installed. The problem is that I am trying to move over to Debian from Fedora so am a NEWBIE in Debian. Is there a command in either dpkg or apt-get that will load a .deb from the local hard drive and resolve the dependencies? I cannot find it in any man package or document, possibly due to being new to this structure. I don't know if there's such a command, but you simply could copy the dependencies shown by dpkg -i and then run apt-get update to download the package lists from the repositories, it dosn't upgrade packages and then apt-get install PASTED_PACKAGES_YOU_COPIED. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1392472796.7260.235.camel@archlinux
Re: Package Install Problem
Hi! How about using gdebi? DESCRIPTION gdebi lets you install local deb packages resolving and installing its dependencies. apt does the same, but only for remote (http, ftp) located packages. Cheers mad Am 15.02.2014 14:41, schrieb Mike: I am trying to install a .deb package from the local hard drive using dpkg -i package.deb. It appears to read the package and then gives me a list of dependencies that are missing and that the package cannot be installed. The problem is that I am trying to move over to Debian from Fedora so am a NEWBIE in Debian. Is there a command in either dpkg or apt-get that will load a .deb from the local hard drive and resolve the dependencies? I cannot find it in any man package or document, possibly due to being new to this structure. Thanks Mike Dwiggins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ff736c.3060...@sharktooth.de
Re: Package Install Problem
On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 13:57 +, Robin wrote: After running dpkg -i do: apt-get -f install which should help resolve straightforward issues. Good idea, but perhaps the OP needs to run dpkg -i --force-depends PACKAGE [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ llmount -w debi386; sudo systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/debi386 root@debi386:~# dpkg --force-help dpkg forcing options - control behaviour when problems found: warn but continue: --force-thing,thing,... [!] dependsTurn all dependency problems into warnings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1392473391.7260.239.camel@archlinux
Re: Package Install Problem (Solved)
Thank you for the advice Robin, it worked like a champ! Mike On 2/15/2014 6:57 AM, Robin wrote: On 15 February 2014 13:41, Mike m...@olddog.name wrote: I am trying to install a .deb package from the local hard drive using dpkg -i package.deb. It appears to read the package and then gives me a list of dependencies that are missing and that the package cannot be installed. The problem is that I am trying to move over to Debian from Fedora so am a NEWBIE in Debian. Is there a command in either dpkg or apt-get that will load a .deb from the local hard drive and resolve the dependencies? I cannot find it in any man package or document, possibly due to being new to this structure. Thanks Mike Dwiggins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ff6e99.30...@olddog.name After running dpkg -i do: apt-get -f install which should help resolve straightforward issues. from man apt-get: -f, --fix-broken Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This option, when used with install/remove, can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely solution. If packages are specified, these have to completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes necessary when running APT for the first time; APT itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system. It is possible that a system's dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(1) or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages). Use of this option together with -m may produce an error in some situations. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Fix-Broken. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ff7533.7030...@olddog.name
Re: debian package install problem
On (20/09/03 23:54), Greg Folkert wrote: Gerald, For the life of me, I cannot understand you[r] REAL question. I want you to understand, Debian *IS* the ultimate Linux Distribution. I find your wording very insulting. You need to ask smart questions. You need to be a bit more logically descriptive. There are a lot warnings Debian give that OTHER distributions just gloss over. The Kernel Linking issue with older Kernels. By default Woody installs with the 2.2.20 Kernel. You can choose the BF2.4 Kernel (which is 2.4.18 non-initrd) if you want to try newer kernels. I understand your problems with the binutils package, that is a informational warning. It is of no concern for you if you run Debian Stock Kernels (which is the recommended way to go). Also, understand there is NO commercial interest in Debian. It is 100% Volunteer... and 100% Non-Profit... it Does have a Social Contract that is very stringent about what can be Debian ... So when you claim Debian will just be a Clubber style Distro... you are sadly mistaken. It will more than likely out live RedHat, ManDrake, Slackware, SuSE or any other Commercial Distro barring commercial distros based on Debian. I am sure you meant [n]o harm, but you came across very belligerent... Help/Tell me or Else never works on Debian people, rather it just sets you into the ignore/twit file they have. My best advice to you is: Ask Smart Questions - http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Be pleasant - Do [not] be belligerent Give GOOD details, in other words describe the problem well, describe what you have done to try and fix it (if anything), Tell the circumstances under which it was encountered. Last but not least realize we are ALL volunteers... most of us have real jobs besides trying to make Debian and Linux in general a good thing. There are some VERY VERY good heads chocked full of info lurking on this list, if your demeanor is one of an open mind you'll be surprised how many more people respond. Great response (in spite of a few typos) ;) Perhaps a cleaned up version should be dispatched to anyone arriving at Debian for the first time? It says in a few paragraphs, what one learns over time ;) Regards Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian package install problem
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:51:40 +0100, Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On (20/09/03 23:54), Greg Folkert wrote: Be pleasant - Do [not] be belligerent Great response (in spite of a few typos) ;) Perhaps a cleaned up version should be dispatched to anyone arriving at Debian for the first time? It says in a few paragraphs, what one learns over time ;) ..mind you, it _is_ possible to be both pleasant and bellingerent, it only takes war, and warfare in strict compliance with the 4 Geneva Conventions. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian package install problem
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 18:43, gerald simpkin wrote: I am a new user of Debian. I have the operating system installed but due to some difficulties cannot seem able to install packages. At install when I use apt it starts okay but then I get a configuration error in configuring Binutils . I do not need to tell you how important this feature is. It returns an error trouble linking kernel. It says this problem occurs in older kernels and some new (woody is using an old kernel?). It further says the problem is not with the linker but the kernel source. It says to edit linker script for architecture. It goes on to give an example, 'arch/i386/vmlinux.lds'. I found two files using the name arch (the other was a zip file). The one I got into was binary and I was unable to read it. I can't read much anyway because the less command is not available. apt-setup is not available either once you boot into the operating system. Anyway there is no arch directory. The script suggested I acc ess file vmlinux.lds and remove an entry on a discard line called *(.text.exit). Unless I can find that file or the directory and then the file I cannot try anything. I would be forced to try dselect or dpkg to install the things I want. I know you guys did not release woody with such a critical defect. I have CDs from a endor with a link on a Debian wedsite. The bill for this copy is going into dispute for this and other reasons. If you know of any solutions to this problem please email me (or post them). I think I subscribed to your user list.I subscribed under using this email account or another (I'm not sure). If this email address is not signed up to the user list please put this email address on the user list. I would appreciate it. End E-Mail Number one. I checked to see if I could turn off the html characteristics of the email sent when using free yahoo email. I could not find a configuration tool to send this in plain text so I am sorry in advance about this email. What I am most concerned about is getting help with the Debian problem I described (although it should be noted to send questions in plain text if that is the way you want to get it). I went to the Debian organizations website and it said if a new user (paraphrasing) has a problem to send questions to this email address (did not mention format). I got your message now what about an answer to my question? Is there a site I can go to for this information? Do you know how to solve this problem? If you want Debian to be the Linux flavor for professional programmers then form a private club and remove the manifesto from the website. If you want the Debian flavor to survive then I advise you to consider the masses otherwise it'll be a project of you and a thousand or so programmers. --- End of Second E-Mail Gerald, For the life of me, I cannot understand you REAL question. I want you to understand, Debian *IS* the ultimate Linux Distribution. I find your wording very insulting. You need to ask smart questions. You need to be a bit more logically descriptive. There are a lot warnings Debian give that OTHER distributions just gloss over. The Kernel Linking issue with older Kernels. By default Woody installs with the 2.2.20 Kernel. You can choose the BF2.4 Kernel (which is 2.4.18 non-initrd) if you want to try newer kernels. I understand your problems with the binutils package, that is a informational warning. It is of no concern for you if you run Debian Stock Kernels (which is the recommended way to go). Also, understand there is NO commercial interest in Debian. It is 100% Volunteer... and 100% Non-Profit... it Does have a Social Contract that is very stringent about what can be Debian ... So when you claim Debian will just be a Clubber style Distro... you are sadly mistaken. It will more than likely out live RedHat, ManDrake, Slackware, SuSE or any other Commercial Distro barring commercial distros based on Debian. I am sure you meant o harm, but you came across very belligerent... Help/Tell me or Else never works on Debian people, rather it just sets you into the ignore/twit file they have. My best advice to you is: Ask Smart Questions - http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Be pleasant - Do be belligerent Give GOOD details, in other words describe the problem well, describe what you have done to try and fix it (if anything), Tell the circumstances under which it was encountered. Last but not least realize we are ALL volunteers... most of us have real jobs besides trying to make Debian and Linux in general a good thing. There are some VERY VERY good heads chocked full of info lurking on this list, if your demeanor is one of an open mind you'll be surprised how many more people respond. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry Optical delusions still themselves when you pass by in convexing pomp and sacral trance signature.asc
Re: debian package install problem
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 03:43:13PM -0700, gerald simpkin wrote: I am a new user of Debian. I have the operating system installed but due to some difficulties cannot seem able to install packages. At install when I use apt it starts okay but then I get a configuration error in configuring Binutils . I do not need to tell you how important this feature is. It returns an error trouble linking kernel. It says this problem occurs in older kernels and some new (woody is using an old kernel?). It further says the problem is not with the linker but the kernel source. It says to edit linker script for architecture. It goes on to give an example, 'arch/i386/vmlinux.lds'. Here's the full text of the message you're seeing: Description: Kernel link failure info You may experience problems linking older (and some newer) kernels with this version of binutils. This is not because of a bug in the linker, but rather a bug in the kernel source. This is being worked out and fixed by the upstream kernel group in newer kernels, but not all of the problems may have been fixed at this time. Older kernel versions will almost always exhibit the problem, however, and no attempts are being made to fix those that we know of. . There are a few work-arounds, but the most reliable is to edit the linker script for your architecture (e.g. arch/i386/vmlinux.lds) and remove the '*(.text.exit)' entry from the 'DISCARD' line. It will bloat the kernel somewhat, but it should link properly. That's not an error, it's an informational notice. As long as you never plan to compile older kernels (meaning older than 2.4.17 or so), you can simply ignore this notice, press OK, and carry on. Anyway there is no arch directory. The script suggested I access file vmlinux.lds and remove an entry on a discard line called *(.text.exit). Unless I can find that file or the directory and then the file I cannot try anything. You only need to do this if you are compiling a kernel and having problems. If not, you do not need to take any action. If after OKing that message apt-get is still stuck, then please post the exact text of the error message it gives you. I know you guys did not release woody with such a critical defect. I have CDs from a endor with a link on a Debian wedsite. The bill for this copy is going into dispute for this and other reasons. I don't know about the other reasons, but there should be no need to trouble a CD vendor with this one. In general disputing a bill with a CD vendor due to bugs in Debian seems unfair to me; they're acting in good faith. Your mileage may vary, I gues. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian package install problem
I am a new user of Debian. I have the operating system installed but due to some difficultiescannot seem able to install packages. At install when I use apt it starts okay but then I get a configuration errorin configuring Binutils .I do not need to tell you how important this feature is. It returns an error trouble linking kernel. It says this problem occurs in olderkernels and some new (woody is using an old kernel?). It further says the problem is not with the linker but the kernel source. It says to edit linker script for architecture. It goes on to give an example, 'arch/i386/vmlinux.lds'. I found two filesusing the name arch (the other was a zip file). The one I got into was binary and I was unable to read it. I can't read much anyway because the less command is not available.apt-setup is not available either once you boot into the operating system.Anyway thereisno arch directory.The script suggested I acc ess file vmlinux.lds and remove an entry on a discard line called *(.text.exit). Unless I can find that file or the directory and then the file I cannot try anything. I would be forced to try dselect or dpkg to install the things I want. Iknow you guys did not release woody with such a critical defect. I have CDs from a endor with a link on a Debian wedsite. The billfor this copy is going into dispute for thisand other reasons. If you know of any solutions to this problem please email me (or post them). I think I subscribed to your user list.I subscribed under using this email account or another (I'm not sure). If this email address is not signed up to the user list please put this email address on the user list. I would appreciate it. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
package install problem
Can anyone tell me what this mean when i install this package with dpkg ? debian:~# dpkg -i fetchmailconf.deb dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in version number in fetchmailconf.deb dpkg: error processing fetchmailconf.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: fetchmailconf.deb thanks for all the help previously take care Faisal __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: package install problem
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 03:06:57AM -0800, faisal gillani wrote: Can anyone tell me what this mean when i install this package with dpkg ? debian:~# dpkg -i fetchmailconf.deb dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in version number in fetchmailconf.deb dpkg: error processing fetchmailconf.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: fetchmailconf.deb You probably have a partial download or corrupted file. Go to the download page and look for the checksum - The MD5sum for fetchmailconf_5.3.3-3.deb stable is 223c6590b7495a41d4743d526222bc Run - md5sum file_name The two numbers probably won't match. If not download the file again. Try a different mirror if the second download doesn't work. hth, kent -- To know the truth is to distort the Universe. Alfred N. Whitehead (adaptation)
Re: Package install problem
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maybe you could post more details about the laptop - many debian-users use
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me for example: i´m running debian on a toshiba 210cs - and it works great ;-)
until next mail ;)
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Re: Package install problem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15-Dec-98, Lyndon Fletcher took time to write : Hi all, I have a number of small problems getting Debian packages onto my PC. Ok, for a start the machine has an unrecognised CDROM type and the OSes don't recognize it ? or you don't recognize it ? you should at least know if it's an ide one, a scsi one, or one hooked up a sound card. so what it is ? It is an ATA (NOT ATAPI) style CDROM drive with a proprietary interface. This is not one of the proprietary drives that Linux supports, therefore I can't use it. second it has a limited HD size (~360Mb). I can't do anything about either of these problems at the moment and would like some advice for working around my problems. I managed to install by leaving a small 30MB dos partition on the machine and copying the base distribution and install files into it via from where did you do your copy ? the cd ? then if the dos sees the cdrom, linux should see it also ! Not nescessarily. Unless Debian can run 16bit DOS driver code there is to way to access the CDROM without a Debian driver and there ain't one. DOS. This allowed me to get the basic system loaded. My problem is how to load the rest of the packages. I have a couple of ideas and would like to know the answers to a few specific questions. 1) Idea 1 I could copy a few packages at a time onto the 30Mb Dos drive and install from there. Question 1 --- To run dselect do I only need the .deb files or do I need the packages files too? yes you need the packages files, otherwise dslect won't know anything about what is present and what it is. Question 2 --- If I do need the packages file do I have to edit it to reflect the actual path to the .deb files? manual edition ? strongly discouraged ! ... Hope that you can send me some answers... I've been pulling my hair out over this all week. i think what you could be easier for you is just to unplug the cdrom drive from the win95 and to plug it in your machine. why aren't you doing this ? it's simpler ! Because... the Win95 machine is a laptop and consequently I would have to tear that machine apart to get at the CDROM. There is method to this madness... I am not a newbie to computers of even to Unix just a newbie to the way Debian works. Fletch Patrick
Package install problem
Hi all, I have a number of small problems getting Debian packages onto my PC. Ok, for a start the machine has an unrecognised CDROM type and second it has a limited HD size (~360Mb). I can't do anything about either of these problems at the moment and would like some advice for working around my problems. I managed to install by leaving a small 30MB dos partition on the machine and copying the base distribution and install files into it via DOS. This allowed me to get the basic system loaded. My problem is how to load the rest of the packages. I have a couple of ideas and would like to know the answers to a few specific questions. 1) Idea 1 I could copy a few packages at a time onto the 30Mb Dos drive and install from there. Question 1 --- To run dselect do I only need the .deb files or do I need the packages files too? Question 2 --- If I do need the packages file do I have to edit it to reflect the actual path to the .deb files? Question 3 --- What constitutes a package? I have several directories called things like net do I copy the whole directory or just the .deb files I seem to need? Idea 2 I have a PC with a working CDROM (running win95) I also have a FTPD for win95. Qustion 4 --- when I try to use this machine as an FTP source Dselect seems to expect a specific layout dist/stable/main and the like Unfortunately my CD has the form d:/debian/hamm/hamm... How can I change this so that Dselect can read fron the remote drive? Question 5 --- the packages file has files listed in the dist/stable/main way were as the layout of my CD is D:/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/... would I need a new packages file with the paths corrected? Question 6 --- is it possible to use a packages file in a different path from where the .deb files are stored? Hope that you can send me some answers... I've been pulling my hair out over this all week. Thanks Fletch I have another machine
RE: Package install problem
On 15-Dec-98, Lyndon Fletcher took time to write : Hi all, I have a number of small problems getting Debian packages onto my PC. Ok, for a start the machine has an unrecognised CDROM type and the OSes don't recognize it ? or you don't recognize it ? you should at least know if it's an ide one, a scsi one, or one hooked up a sound card. so what it is ? second it has a limited HD size (~360Mb). I can't do anything about either of these problems at the moment and would like some advice for working around my problems. I managed to install by leaving a small 30MB dos partition on the machine and copying the base distribution and install files into it via from where did you do your copy ? the cd ? then if the dos sees the cdrom, linux should see it also ! DOS. This allowed me to get the basic system loaded. My problem is how to load the rest of the packages. I have a couple of ideas and would like to know the answers to a few specific questions. 1) Idea 1 I could copy a few packages at a time onto the 30Mb Dos drive and install from there. Question 1 --- To run dselect do I only need the .deb files or do I need the packages files too? yes you need the packages files, otherwise dslect won't know anything about what is present and what it is. Question 2 --- If I do need the packages file do I have to edit it to reflect the actual path to the .deb files? manual edition ? strongly discouraged ! ... Hope that you can send me some answers... I've been pulling my hair out over this all week. i think what you could be easier for you is just to unplug the cdrom drive from the win95 and to plug it in your machine. why aren't you doing this ? it's simpler ! Patrick
