Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:52:54PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: The NIC is likely a PCI device even when it's integrated into the MB. So, try cat /proc/pci and look for an ethernet controller line. It will probably give you the chipset it uses which is usually a pretty good starting point. I am really growing to hate this machine... hudson:~# cat /proc/pci cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory /proc/bus/pci is there and contains two files (00 and 01), but they're binary data. The kernel is 2.2.12, which should support /proc/pci, IIRC. (Yeah, I know... I really should be using a potato CD, but slink is all I had handy.) -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
RE: NIC identification
the kernel with the correct modules for the card. You should be able to get the info you need from Dell, especially since they are now supporting Linux on many of their systems. They may have a driver/module This seems to be your best idea. Your box should have a number on it that you can plug into the web interface and it will tell you about your machine specifically. Once you have an idea what the true hardware is, it'll be easier. Brooks
Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:52:54PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: The NIC is likely a PCI device even when it's integrated into the MB. So, try cat /proc/pci and look for an ethernet controller line. It will probably give you the chipset it uses which is usually a pretty good starting point. I am really growing to hate this machine... hudson:~# cat /proc/pci cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory /proc/bus/pci is there and contains two files (00 and 01), but they're binary data. The kernel is 2.2.12, which should support /proc/pci, IIRC. (Yeah, I know... I really should be using a potato CD, but slink is all I had handy.) I'm not familiar with devfs at all, but are you using it, by chance ?? Also, I believe the /proc filesystem is a kernel option. You may not have it enabled. Regards Hall
Re: NIC identification
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 10:06:28AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: /proc/bus/pci is there and contains two files (00 and 01), but they're binary data. The kernel is 2.2.12, which should support I'm not familiar with devfs at all, but are you using it, by chance ?? Nope. It's a 2.2.12 kernel and devfs wasn't introduced until 2.4. (And with the problems I've seen other people here having with it, I'm not real interested in trying devfs any time soon.) Also, I believe the /proc filesystem is a kernel option. You may not have it enabled. /proc is there, it just doesn't include a pci (pseudo-)file/dir. Looks like I'll have to wade through Dell's site to find the info. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NIC identification
Brooks R. Robinson wrote: the kernel with the correct modules for the card. You should be able to get the info you need from Dell, especially since they are now supporting Linux on many of their systems. They may have a driver/module This seems to be your best idea. Your box should have a number on it that you can plug into the web interface and it will tell you about your machine specifically. Once you have an idea what the true hardware is, it'll be easier. I concur, and add that if it just *happens* to be an Optiplex GX1, it's probably a 3Com 3c905B-TX. There is a Linux driver for that, 3c59x by name.
Re: NIC identification
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:43:47AM -0600, Keith G. Murphy wrote: I concur, and add that if it just *happens* to be an Optiplex GX1, it's probably a 3Com 3c905B-TX. There is a Linux driver for that, 3c59x by name. Optiplex GX100. According to one of the Dell discussion forums, it's a 3c920, which is supposed to be fully compatible with the 3c905c. I'm guessing that either it's a bad NIC or (much more likely) the CD I'm using is a bit too old, as the 3c59x driver refuses to load for me. Time to make some floppies and see if the current driver likes it... -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:52:54PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: I've got a Dell box I'm installing debian on with an intergrated NIC on the motherboard. The NIC is likely a PCI device even when it's integrated into the MB. So, try cat /proc/pci and look for an ethernet controller line. It will probably give you the chipset it uses which is usually a pretty good starting point. (just to add a bit) If it doesn't tell you the exact chipset, it may give you a vendor and model ID - there's a good chance you can figure out the chipset from this. Just do a search on Google for: vendor model ethernet This has helped me identify many a piece of otherwise unidentifiable hardware =) -b3
Re: NIC identification
Dave Sherohman wrote: I've got a Dell box I'm installing debian on with an intergrated NIC on the motherboard. When I booted the install CD, the system startup messages included ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 on irq 14 This is your hard drive :-) so I figured, Great! It's been autodetected, so I don't have to worry about what it actually is! I was wrong. When it booted off the hard drive, the same message was displayed in the startup sequence, but eth0 isn't there: - send us the output from dmesg hudson:~# ifconfig eth0 up eth0: unknown interface: Operation not supported by device Where would I start looking to determine what the appropriate module/settings for this card would be? --- you must select the card when you install Debian originally or recompile the kernel with the correct modules for the card. You should be able to get the info you need from Dell, especially since they are now supporting Linux on many of their systems. They may have a driver/module for the onboard NIC that you will require. Such is the hardship of integrated systems. -- We specialize in multi-processor computing systems! John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems
Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:10:33AM -0600, John Foster wrote: Dave Sherohman wrote: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 on irq 14 This is your hard drive :-) *sigh* Uh-huh. I knew that... Of course ide0 != eth0. Guess I was just a little too desperate for info on eth0 and turned temporarily dyslexic or something. send us the output from dmesg Linux version 2.2.12 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #2 Thu Aug 26 11:46:26 PDT 1999 Detected 462825985 Hz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 462.03 BogoMIPS Memory: 126376k/129664k available (1244k kernel code, 416k reserved, 1528k data, 100k init) CPU: Intel Celeron (Mendocino) stepping 05 Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Checking for popad bug... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfc0ce PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Starting kswapd v 1.5 Detected PS/2 Mouse Port. RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 PCI_IDE: unknown IDE controller on PCI bus 00 device f9, VID=8086, DID=2411 PCI_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: WDC WD43AA, ATA DISK drive hdb: CD-ROM Drive/F5E, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hda: WDC WD43AA, 4112MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=524/255/63 hdb: ATAPI 56X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.55 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 NCR53c406a: no available ports found Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! megaraid: v1.04 (August 16, 1999) scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detected total. Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 100k freed Adding Swap: 265064k swap-space (priority -1) Serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A for the onboard NIC that you will require. Such is the hardship of integrated systems. Indeed. I bought one a couple years back and never intend to repeat the mistake. (I knew it was a bad idea at the time, but the price was so good...) This one was inherited when I started a new job. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NIC identification
Dave Sherohman wrote: As I suspected the kernel is not trying to load a kernel module for the NIC, everything else looks OK. My suggestion is to contact Dell and query them about the onboard NIC chip set. They may have the specs listed on their website. It is likely that the board is made to their specs (saves them big bucks) and the NIC may only be identifiable by the chip set name and model. Alternatively if you have windows also installed check in the start; control panel; settings; systems; menu and look at the network card setting there...that should show the card/chip set and model number as a driver. Look for Realtek, 3com, intel, i.e. something with a ethernet card name and model number. Once you have identified the chipset you can recompile the kernel and modules for your specefic hardware setup. Try to find out also about any other onboard components such as video chipset, sound chipset and hard drive controller chipsets. These are all very likely built in and the performance may be improved significantly when you recompile a new kernel. What are you installing from? Since I see no indication of dialup connections to the internet via modem, I hope it is via cdrom not flopppy disks. You will need to have several applications installed in order to recompile the kernel. -- We specialize in multi-processor computing systems! John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems
Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0600, John Foster wrote: Look for Realtek, 3com, intel, i.e. something with a ethernet card name and model number. Once you have identified the chipset you can recompile the kernel and modules for your specefic hardware setup. I'm guessing it's a 3com NIC (Why? There's a largish chip labeled 3com 40-0579-006 near the rj45.), but none of the 3com drivers on the install disc recognize it. What are you installing from? Since I see no indication of dialup connections to the internet via modem, I hope it is via cdrom not flopppy disks. Oh, it's off CD. No need to worry about that... I've done debian installs via modem before and they don't rate highly on the list of things I'd want to do again. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NIC identification
I've got a Dell box I'm installing debian on with an intergrated NIC on the motherboard. The NIC is likely a PCI device even when it's integrated into the MB. So, try cat /proc/pci and look for an ethernet controller line. It will probably give you the chipset it uses which is usually a pretty good starting point. Hall
Re: NIC identification
Try lspci it might give you some more info. Dave Sherohman wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0600, John Foster wrote: Look for Realtek, 3com, intel, i.e. something with a ethernet card name and model number. Once you have identified the chipset you can recompile the kernel and modules for your specefic hardware setup. I'm guessing it's a 3com NIC (Why? There's a largish chip labeled 3com 40-0579-006 near the rj45.), but none of the 3com drivers on the install disc recognize it. What are you installing from? Since I see no indication of dialup connections to the internet via modem, I hope it is via cdrom not flopppy disks. Oh, it's off CD. No need to worry about that... I've done debian installs via modem before and they don't rate highly on the list of things I'd want to do again. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC identification
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 09:15:52PM -0400, Roberto Rosario wrote: Try lspci it might give you some more info. Tried it, but it's not there. The current version available for download off debian.org depends on a later version of libc than was installed off my CD and I don't want to mess with sneakernetting enough stuff over to upgrade that and everything that depends on it. I will try the suggestion of catting /proc/pci on Monday, though. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, Peace, Love, and Linux Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NIC identification
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said... OK i've got a NIC that i need to get working. its PCI appears to support Co-ax as well as cat-45 it has a netware approved sticker on it it has 3 components on it made by Delta the most comprehensible component proclaims itself to be Delta LANF7236 9701F has anyone got any ideas what driver i should use? it has worked with slackware (which does auto-detect) but the HD it was working with has gone to heaven. thanks for any help that can be proferred If it's a PCI nic just pop it into a computer with a PCI bus and see what you get. On Linux you should find this ethernet card listed under /proc/pci someplace. You can also try to do modprobe ne2k-pci as root - it sounds awfully similar to a NE2000 PCI card I have here someplace. - -- - -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG fingerprint: 9BF9 D84C 37D0 4FA7 1F2D 7E5E FD94 D264 50DE 1CFC GPG key id: 50DE1CFC GPG public key: http://tux.creighton.edu/~pbrutsch/gpg-public-key.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6ZT9b/ZTSZFDeHPwRAjnnAKDb7KxH51ZEKviopEYjQh/fz+RQTwCg0SBW u1q/+zKhCWvv1Re7/cz78Nc= =XLXn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: NIC identification
often they will pe printed onto th card, or printed onto a sticker that is placed on the card or one of the chips on the card, it will be a in the form: 00:01:02:70:5E:B1 or possbile without the colons, but it will contain that many digits. The first 6 numbers (00:01:02) identify the vendor, and i this case thats 3com (3c905-c-txm) -Casey On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIC identification
eh, won't it show when typing ifconfig with one or more options ? -Original Message- From: Casey Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:26 PM To: John Griffiths Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: NIC identification often they will pe printed onto th card, or printed onto a sticker that is placed on the card or one of the chips on the card, it will be a in the form: 00:01:02:70:5E:B1 or possbile without the colons, but it will contain that many digits. The first 6 numbers (00:01:02) identify the vendor, and i this case thats 3com (3c905-c-txm) -Casey On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC identification
somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use eh, won't it show when typing ifconfig with one or more options ? Not 'til it's loaded and recognized... the problem originally started because the person doesn't know what card/chipset it is and can't get it loaded. I copied the relevant parts of an early reply above. Regards Hall
Re: NIC identification
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be? It looks like a serie of hexadecimal numbers (xx and yy are he in the example above). It can be found in the card's eeprom(not bootprom), but to get there you should know the cardtype, and that is the problem (I beliove) Greetz, Sebastiaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIC identification
If you want to find the vendor of any piece of eletrical equipment and you can find the FCC code on it then go to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/ and type that number in. Works every time Robin -Original Message- From: Sebastiaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2001 16:17 To: John Griffiths Cc: Casey Webster; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: NIC identification On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be? It looks like a serie of hexadecimal numbers (xx and yy are he in the example above). It can be found in the card's eeprom(not bootprom), but to get there you should know the cardtype, and that is the problem (I beliove) Greetz, Sebastiaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC identification
From the thinnet connector on it, I'd try ne2k-pci. Hell, what do you have to lose? The netware sitcker also implies ne2k: IIRC the netware sticker meant ne2000 compliance... modprobe ne2k-pci On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: OK i've got a NIC that i need to get working. its PCI appears to support Co-ax as well as cat-45 it has a netware approved sticker on it it has 3 components on it made by Delta the most comprehensible component proclaims itself to be Delta LANF7236 9701F has anyone got any ideas what driver i should use? it has worked with slackware (which does auto-detect) but the HD it was working with has gone to heaven. thanks for any help that can be proferred John -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIC identification
Assuming, of course, that he got the card up, which leads us back to his original problem On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Joris Lambrecht wrote: eh, won't it show when typing ifconfig with one or more options ? -Original Message- From: Casey Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:26 PM To: John Griffiths Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: NIC identification often they will pe printed onto th card, or printed onto a sticker that is placed on the card or one of the chips on the card, it will be a in the form: 00:01:02:70:5E:B1 or possbile without the colons, but it will contain that many digits. The first 6 numbers (00:01:02) identify the vendor, and i this case thats 3com (3c905-c-txm) -Casey On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC identification
if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, John Griffiths wrote: OK i've got a NIC that i need to get working. its PCI appears to support Co-ax as well as cat-45 it has a netware approved sticker on it it has 3 components on it made by Delta the most comprehensible component proclaims itself to be Delta LANF7236 9701F has anyone got any ideas what driver i should use? it has worked with slackware (which does auto-detect) but the HD it was working with has gone to heaven. thanks for any help that can be proferred John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC identification
At 11:38 PM 1/16/2001 -0600, Casey Webster wrote: if its netware approved you might try the ne2k driver, that thing works for a lot of cards with that sticker, also if you can figure out the card's MAC address (in the form of xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy and often on the card somewhere) then search google for a MAC address to vendor converter and pop on the xx:xx:xx from the mac addr and it will give you the vendor of the card and then you can check thier website for the model number and try and figure out what driver to use -Casey well the things we learn.. any ideas what the MAC might look like? where it may be?
