Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
Quoting Joe Pfeiffer (pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu): > David Wright writes: > > > Quoting Joe Pfeiffer (pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu): > > >> Looks interesting -- I've been using Terminus for quite a while -- it's > >> another fixed-width programmer-friendly font, Comparing it with > >> Anonymous Pro, it seems a bit narrows and doesn't seem to have as much > ^^^narrower > >> variation in apparent weight (Anonymous Pro's W is so much darker than > >> the other characters on a line I'm looking at that it looks like it's in > >> Bold!). > > > > So you've installed it? Are you using it in a VC or an xterm? > > > > I'm not sure how you would use it: the package contains four TTF files > > and that's it. > > I appear to have installed at some point; I tend to just install the > fonts that come up in the repository without thinking about it. > > I tried it in an xterm (more specifically, xfce4-terminal). I just > went to the preference's editor, saw that it was one of the font > options, and switched to it. All the text in all my terminal windows > was suddenly in Anonymous Pro. Well, it's defeated me. Doing anything with fonts is always frustrating. For years I used Computer Modern, then Palatino because, with respect, it looked less like a Knuth textbook. IIRC it was texlive which meant I had to find out that Palatino is now "TeX Gyre Pagella", whatever that means. I use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to set a console font. You don't get much choice. I suppose it's just what's in /usr/share/consolefonts/ though I never get offered unifont even though I have /usr/share/consolefonts/Unifont-APL8x16.psf.gz from package psf-unifont which is PSF (console) version of GNU Unifont with APL support. So I stick to Terminus on the console. I'll make the observation that using dpkg-reconfigure console-setupon a real VC while X is running is a no-no. You really have to exit X altogether. Moving on to X, well on the whole I just install a load of fonts on the basis that applications will find and use them. But how you find out what a font is, and then change it, that's beyond me. In Xterm, I'm fairly happy just so long as I can find a string like -jmk-Neep-Medium-R-Normal--20-180-75-75-C-100-ISO10646-1 or 8x13 associated with the font. But I can't try Anonymous Pro because xlsfonts shows no such string. But take, for example, the font that iceweasel uses to display the address of a link when you hover over it. It's very small and spindly, and makes the characters "rn" look exactly like "m". I often have to fire up xzoom to take a closer look. Anyway, I looked at https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts after "installing" ttf-anonymous-pro. I can see the four files with fc-list, and I ran fc-cache -fv for luck. I ran $ dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and $ dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig [sic] but had to do so as root, obviously. I haven't a clue what the prompts are talking about. I find sections like: Font Formats ttf, otf, bdf, pfb, fnt, woff totally unenlightening. The https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/FAQ appears to be a historical document. https://wiki.debian.org/TrueType says everything will just happen automatically without actually saying *what* happens automatically. So I'd be very interested to know, having installed ttf-anonymous-pro, how to actually use it. Sorry to ramble but, because I can't grasp any pattern to linux fonts, I can't organise my thoughts/findings/intentions in any logical order. The mess is contagious. Cheers, David.
Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
Everything is a personal preference and thanks for bringing this font to my attention, Cindy. There are so many fonts available that it is time consuming to find just the right one. I've been using Consolas for a long enough time that I could tell immediately that I prefer it over the Anonymous Pro. It was fun to check and I'll keep it installed. One never knows... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
David Wright writes: > Quoting Joe Pfeiffer (pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu): >> Looks interesting -- I've been using Terminus for quite a while -- it's >> another fixed-width programmer-friendly font, Comparing it with >> Anonymous Pro, it seems a bit narrows and doesn't seem to have as much ^^^narrower >> variation in apparent weight (Anonymous Pro's W is so much darker than >> the other characters on a line I'm looking at that it looks like it's in >> Bold!). > > So you've installed it? Are you using it in a VC or an xterm? > > I'm not sure how you would use it: the package contains four TTF files > and that's it. I appear to have installed at some point; I tend to just install the fonts that come up in the repository without thinking about it. I tried it in an xterm (more specifically, xfce4-terminal). I just went to the preference's editor, saw that it was one of the font options, and switched to it. All the text in all my terminal windows was suddenly in Anonymous Pro.
Re: Coder friendly font
Martin Read composed on 2015-09-21 19:33 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html and >> http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-linuxmono.html provide ways to >> compare some common monospace fonts. > Only if you have the fonts already installed, which isn't helpful if > you're trying to decide which fonts *to* install. True, but they were designed for comparing among within identical context, and for choosing which to use or not, not which to install. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
Quoting Joe Pfeiffer (pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu): > Cindy-Sue Causey writes: > > > One more then I hear my bird feeders calling. Couple days ago I was > > trying to find a pirate friendly font via an "apt-cache search" > > inquiry. No pirates (that weren't part of a *2GB* package, yar!), > > but stumbled on a font called "Anonymous Pro" that is billed as a > > "fixed width sans serif font designed for coders". > > > > Further description is: "Anonymous Pro (2009) is a family of four > > fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding in mind. Characters > > that could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1, etc.) have > > distinct shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of > > source code." > > > > Since I had just like the day before installed "devscripts", it > > sounded like a potential win worth pursuing. It looks very similar to > > Monospace, but my brain still keeps actively noticing that there is > > definitely a user-friendly difference.. > > > > Sharing because it might just help someone else who spends a lot of > > time using terminals. As I write that, for some reason it comes to > > mind that it may be standard with large installs. If not, the package > > name again is ttf-anonymous-pro. > > Looks interesting -- I've been using Terminus for quite a while -- it's > another fixed-width programmer-friendly font, Comparing it with > Anonymous Pro, it seems a bit narrows and doesn't seem to have as much > variation in apparent weight (Anonymous Pro's W is so much darker than > the other characters on a line I'm looking at that it looks like it's in > Bold!). So you've installed it? Are you using it in a VC or an xterm? I'm not sure how you would use it: the package contains four TTF files and that's it. Cheers, David.
Re: Coder friendly font
Quoting Curt (cu...@free.fr): > On 2015-09-21, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 21 September 2015 18:16:59 Curt wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_%28typeface%29 > >> > >> "Frutiger (pronounced with a hard g) is a series of typefaces named after > >> its Swiss designer, Adrian Frutiger. Frutiger is a humanist sans-serif > >> typeface, intended to be clear and highly legible at a distance or at > >> small text sizes. A very popular design worldwide, font designer Steve > >> Matteson described its structure as "the best choice for legibility in > >> pretty much any situation" at small text sizes, while Erik Spiekermann > >> named it as "the best general typeface ever"." > > > > Sadly, it appears not to be available for Debian, or rather, in the Debian > > Wheezy repositories. > > It's copyrighted. You'd have to buy it (from Adobe, e.g.), I suppose, > if you wish to use it. > > Still, one of the best, if not the best, font in the world for > legibility, used everywhere from the Charles de Gaulle airport in France > to the German Karlsruhe Institute of Technology to Amtrak, is a > sans-serif font, contrary to what that other guy (who I think owns > Volkswagen stock) implied. It's a very pleasing font for display, judging by the wiki page. I hadn't realised the NHS use it, and it would be interesting to compare it with the font that was designed IIRC in the 50/60s for UK Motorway signage (well, it started there, when they realised that Motorway drivers wouldn't be able to read fingerposts or the "bubbly"-reflective block capital signs of my childhood). It's also very legible in running text (deliberately printed a little large) in this Cancer Screening Programme booklet. However, as a coding-friendly font, I don't rate it. Unambiguity is essential here, as it legibility in fixed-spacing. Currently I find neep as legible as anything on screen. I was disappointed with the efont somebody suggested a while back. Neep is well-endowed wrt unicode glyphs, which helps. Also, bear in mind that I've never (knowingly) seen neep, efont, terminus etc rendered in ink as opposed to light. So 99.9% of the usages enumerated on the wiki page are irrelevant to this purpose (unless NHS staff have it as their screen font, which I doubt). Cheers, David.
Re: Coder friendly font
On 21/09/15 19:18, Felix Miata wrote: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-linuxmono.html provide ways to compare some common monospace fonts. Only if you have the fonts already installed, which isn't helpful if you're trying to decide which fonts *to* install.
Re: Coder friendly font
On 2015-09-21, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 21 September 2015 18:16:59 Curt wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_%28typeface%29 >> >> "Frutiger (pronounced with a hard g) is a series of typefaces named after >> its Swiss designer, Adrian Frutiger. Frutiger is a humanist sans-serif >> typeface, intended to be clear and highly legible at a distance or at >> small text sizes. A very popular design worldwide, font designer Steve >> Matteson described its structure as "the best choice for legibility in >> pretty much any situation" at small text sizes, while Erik Spiekermann >> named it as "the best general typeface ever"." > > Sadly, it appears not to be available for Debian, or rather, in the Debian > Wheezy repositories. It's copyrighted. You'd have to buy it (from Adobe, e.g.), I suppose, if you wish to use it. Still, one of the best, if not the best, font in the world for legibility, used everywhere from the Charles de Gaulle airport in France to the German Karlsruhe Institute of Technology to Amtrak, is a sans-serif font, contrary to what that other guy (who I think owns Volkswagen stock) implied. > I use large point Bitstream Vera Sans. Of all the ones I have tried, I have > found it the easiest and the least tiring, but I cannot justify this over > other similar fonts. I just subjectively find it so. Whatever works for you is fine. > Lisi > > --
Re: Coder friendly font
On 09/21/2015 07:55 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 21 September 2015 18:16:59 Curt wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_%28typeface%29 >> >> "Frutiger (pronounced with a hard g) is a series of typefaces named after >> its Swiss designer, Adrian Frutiger. Frutiger is a humanist sans-serif >> typeface, intended to be clear and highly legible at a distance or at >> small text sizes. A very popular design worldwide, font designer Steve >> Matteson described its structure as "the best choice for legibility in >> pretty much any situation" at small text sizes, while Erik Spiekermann >> named it as "the best general typeface ever"." > > Sadly, it appears not to be available for Debian, or rather, in the Debian > Wheezy repositories. Frutiger is not free: neither free-as-in-beer nor free-as-in-speach. If you want to use it you have to pay for it. It may come bundled with some commercial proprietary software packages. > I use large point Bitstream Vera Sans. Of all the ones I have tried, I have > found it the easiest and the least tiring, but I cannot justify this over > other similar fonts. I just subjectively find it so. Btw. there's also "Hack" that was recently announced, partially based on Bitstream Vera Sans Mono. They have an own font license[1] for it, where I'm not completely sure whether it's free-as-in-speach (clause 1 might be problematic in that regard), but its development model is open and they claim to be "open source" and "libre" - and you can definitely use it freely for your own documents. See: https://sourcefoundry.org/hack/ (Haven't tried using it myself yet, but it fits the topic of this thread.) Christian [1] https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack/blob/master/LICENSE.md signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Coder friendly font
Joe Pfeiffer composed on 2015-09-21 11:38 (UTC-0600): > rlhar...@oplink.net writes: >> Regarding disambiguity, Courier is one of the best fonts; likewise Times >> Roman. The only problem with Times Roman with respect to coding is that >> it is not fixed-width. > And courier is downright ugly. Well put, and one of the earliest reasons for disliking Windows. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-linuxmono.html provide ways to compare some common monospace fonts. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
Cindy-Sue Causey writes: > One more then I hear my bird feeders calling. Couple days ago I was > trying to find a pirate friendly font via an "apt-cache search" > inquiry. No pirates (that weren't part of a *2GB* package, yar!), > but stumbled on a font called "Anonymous Pro" that is billed as a > "fixed width sans serif font designed for coders". > > Further description is: "Anonymous Pro (2009) is a family of four > fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding in mind. Characters > that could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1, etc.) have > distinct shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of > source code." > > Since I had just like the day before installed "devscripts", it > sounded like a potential win worth pursuing. It looks very similar to > Monospace, but my brain still keeps actively noticing that there is > definitely a user-friendly difference.. > > Sharing because it might just help someone else who spends a lot of > time using terminals. As I write that, for some reason it comes to > mind that it may be standard with large installs. If not, the package > name again is ttf-anonymous-pro. Looks interesting -- I've been using Terminus for quite a while -- it's another fixed-width programmer-friendly font, Comparing it with Anonymous Pro, it seems a bit narrows and doesn't seem to have as much variation in apparent weight (Anonymous Pro's W is so much darker than the other characters on a line I'm looking at that it looks like it's in Bold!).
Re: Coder friendly font
rlhar...@oplink.net writes: > On Mon, September 21, 2015 11:33 am, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> a font called "Anonymous Pro" that is billed as a "fixed width sans serif >> font designed for coders". >> Further description is: "Anonymous Pro (2009) is a family of four >> fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding in mind. Characters >> that >> could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1, etc.) have distinct >> shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of source code." > > Regarding disambiguity, Courier is one of the best fonts; likewise Times > Roman. The only problem with Times Roman with respect to coding is that > it is not fixed-width. And courier is downright ugly. > Sans-serif is not a desirable attribute, except for certain applications > such as newspaper headlines. Studies have shown that serif fonts are more > readable and less fatiguing, because the serifs of a letter or numeral > convey much information. It may be billed as sans serif, but there are a number of characters in the font that do indeed have serifs. > But Americans crave novelty, so there always is a market for the > "different" when it is claimed to be "new" and "improved".
Re: Coder friendly font
On Monday 21 September 2015 18:16:59 Curt wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_%28typeface%29 > > "Frutiger (pronounced with a hard g) is a series of typefaces named after > its Swiss designer, Adrian Frutiger. Frutiger is a humanist sans-serif > typeface, intended to be clear and highly legible at a distance or at > small text sizes. A very popular design worldwide, font designer Steve > Matteson described its structure as "the best choice for legibility in > pretty much any situation" at small text sizes, while Erik Spiekermann > named it as "the best general typeface ever"." Sadly, it appears not to be available for Debian, or rather, in the Debian Wheezy repositories. I use large point Bitstream Vera Sans. Of all the ones I have tried, I have found it the easiest and the least tiring, but I cannot justify this over other similar fonts. I just subjectively find it so. Lisi
Re: Coder friendly font
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 21 September 2015 17:49:10 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > Regarding disambiguity, Courier is one of the best fonts; likewise Times > > Roman. The only problem with Times Roman with respect to coding is that > > it is not fixed-width. > > > > Sans-serif is not a desirable attribute, except for certain applications > > such as newspaper headlines. Studies have shown that serif fonts are > more > > readable and less fatiguing, > > Which studies?? I strongly disagree. > > > because the serifs of a letter or numeral > > convey much information. > > Which is extraneous to most needs so very tiring. > > Lisi > > I enjoy Terminus
Re: Coder friendly font
On 2015-09-21, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > Sans-serif is not a desirable attribute, except for certain applications > such as newspaper headlines. Studies have shown that serif fonts are more > readable and less fatiguing, because the serifs of a letter or numeral > convey much information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_%28typeface%29 "Frutiger (pronounced with a hard g) is a series of typefaces named after its Swiss designer, Adrian Frutiger. Frutiger is a humanist sans-serif typeface, intended to be clear and highly legible at a distance or at small text sizes. A very popular design worldwide, font designer Steve Matteson described its structure as "the best choice for legibility in pretty much any situation" at small text sizes, while Erik Spiekermann named it as "the best general typeface ever"." > But Americans crave novelty, so there always is a market for the > "different" when it is claimed to be "new" and "improved". Oh jesus, kept this nationalistic bullshit out of the group, would ya fella?
Re: Coder friendly font
On Monday 21 September 2015 17:49:10 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > Regarding disambiguity, Courier is one of the best fonts; likewise Times > Roman. The only problem with Times Roman with respect to coding is that > it is not fixed-width. > > Sans-serif is not a desirable attribute, except for certain applications > such as newspaper headlines. Studies have shown that serif fonts are more > readable and less fatiguing, Which studies?? I strongly disagree. > because the serifs of a letter or numeral > convey much information. Which is extraneous to most needs so very tiring. Lisi
Re: Coder friendly font
On Mon, September 21, 2015 11:33 am, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > a font called "Anonymous Pro" that is billed as a "fixed width sans serif > font designed for coders". > Further description is: "Anonymous Pro (2009) is a family of four > fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding in mind. Characters > that > could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1, etc.) have distinct > shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of source code." Regarding disambiguity, Courier is one of the best fonts; likewise Times Roman. The only problem with Times Roman with respect to coding is that it is not fixed-width. Sans-serif is not a desirable attribute, except for certain applications such as newspaper headlines. Studies have shown that serif fonts are more readable and less fatiguing, because the serifs of a letter or numeral convey much information. But Americans crave novelty, so there always is a market for the "different" when it is claimed to be "new" and "improved". RLH
Re: Coder friendly font Anonymous Pro (ttf-anonymous-pro)
Hi. On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:33:42 -0400 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > One more then I hear my bird feeders calling. Couple days ago I was > trying to find a pirate friendly font via an "apt-cache search" > inquiry. No pirates (that weren't part of a *2GB* package, yar!), > but stumbled on a font called "Anonymous Pro" that is billed as a > "fixed width sans serif font designed for coders". > > Further description is: "Anonymous Pro (2009) is a family of four > fixed-width fonts designed especially with coding in mind. Characters > that could be mistaken for one another (O, 0, I, l, 1, etc.) have > distinct shapes to make them easier to tell apart in the context of > source code." > > Since I had just like the day before installed "devscripts", it > sounded like a potential win worth pursuing. It looks very similar to > Monospace, but my brain still keeps actively noticing that there is > definitely a user-friendly difference.. A small nitpick. Very small. There's no font called "Monospace", it's an alias to some other font. Which, I presume, actually called DejaVu Sans Mono. A quick check with 'fc-match Monospace' should clear all possible uncertainties. > Sharing because it might just help someone else who spends a lot of > time using terminals. As I write that, for some reason it comes to > mind that it may be standard with large installs. If not, the package > name again is ttf-anonymous-pro. I'm not trying to argue about tastes here, but if asked about the best *terminal* font - I always suggest Terminus (which is xfonts-terminus). While it lacks CJK glyphs and this modern Unicode emoji jumbo - it gets the job done for me since '06. Reco