Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[mick crane]

On 2019-01-04 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:


On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > >We just pointed out
> > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> >
> > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there
> > is no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the
> > user the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or
> > not;
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey
> no matter how hard you try to ignore it.

I wish I understood that!


Why not, There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free lunch. If you think the
peanuts are free, check the price of the beer IOW.


What's the price of beer on the Isle of Wight to do with computers ?


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Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 04 January 2019 19:32:18 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
> >> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic
> >> growth in the past years.
> >
> > I see that too, darn it.
>
> Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst
> example - Apple.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XneTBhRPYk

We've been victimized by that too. We bought a video editor in the fading 
days of NTSC, had a pair of G5's. Within a month we had a fire. They 
were filled with plastic moldings to direct the cooling air to the hot 
spots that I thought was pretty sharp engineering, until I realized a 
fan failure was guaranteed to destroy it in about a minute. Shitty $3 
fans, Apple, because we had opened it to verify the fire was out, 
refused to warranty a thing, quoteing nearly $8500 for a new one. We 
found another system for 3 G's that got us to the hi-def age in 2008. 
Apple has never learned that screwing your top of the line customer 
means he will never darken the apple door again. And AFAIK, no Apple 
product has ever had a rack screw in its ears at that station since.

That whole package, big crt monitors, software and a weeks on-site 
install and tutoring, cost us north of $25 grand, and we got about a 
months use out of it. Such memories aren't easily forgotten.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

>> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
>> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth
>> in the past years.
> 
> I see that too, darn it.

Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst example -
Apple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XneTBhRPYk

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:

> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > >   We just pointed out
> > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> > >
> > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there
> > > is no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the
> > > user the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or
> > > not;
> > >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey
> > no matter how hard you try to ignore it.
>
> I wish I understood that!

Why not, There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free lunch. If you think the 
peanuts are free, check the price of the beer IOW.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:09:55PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > > >   We just pointed 
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
> > > > > no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
> > > > > the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no 
> > > > matter how hard you try to ignore it.
> > > 
> > > I wish I understood that!
> > > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL
> 
> TANSTAAFL wasn't what I didn't understand, I know what it means. It's
> the whole post which is a mystery to me. Apart from you, perhaps.
> 
My mistake.  I think Gene's comment means something like, "people
always try to get something for nothing, but it never works."

Regards,

-Roberto

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Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Brian]

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > 
> > > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > > We just pointed 
> > > > > out
> > > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> > > >
> > > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
> > > > no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
> > > > the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no 
> > > matter how hard you try to ignore it.
> > 
> > I wish I understood that!
> > 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

TANSTAAFL wasn't what I didn't understand, I know what it means. It's
the whole post which is a mystery to me. Apart from you, perhaps.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Nicolas George wrote:

> It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
> wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme
> than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a
> new one.
> 
> Alas, the idiotic way most people evaluate the economy, the GDP, often
> makes it seem that kind of thing is good. But according to the GDP,
> being stuck in traffic is good for the economy.
> 
> Regards,

I asked why he does not reinstall, but didn't get meaningful answer - only,
I can not do it and it takes too much time.

One can not argue with educated people, so I gave up.
This is just an example how it works for most of the people. I am sure if he
were working for the money he spends, he were reinstalling.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

> Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the
> simple task of switching on an electric light in a house.
> 
> If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If
> he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local
> substation to fix the problem we are outside the province of a user's
> remit. How about deleting a power station or two to get the lights in
> the house working?
> 
> The problem with computers is that a user says "this is *my* computer
> and I will do with it what I want. Consequently, the easiest way to
> happiness is to destroy the system and rebuild. Competence with system
> administration and its philosophy is hardly at the forefront in the use
> of computers.
> 
> Having said that, a full partition does require sensitive treatment. It
> hasn't received it in this thread.

you understood correctly and I agree completely with you.

I wonder no one suggested for the OP to take a backup, but I think OP knows
this already.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> 
>> deloptes (12019-01-04):
>> >We just pointed out
>> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>>
>> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
>> no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
>> the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
>>
>> Regards,
> 
> Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no
> matter how hard you try to ignore it.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

It requires sysadmin as far as a car requires a mechanic, but you could
always go to the shop and buy new one.

What I wanted to point out is that it is not a requirement per se for the
operation of the device. You are mixing both.

For the present case OP is acting as sysadmin - nothing wrong, so your point
is clear, but you mistakenly presume that one should play the same role. It
is not a must. It is a matter of choice and skills.

Even for the car, I can repair most of it if I am skilled and have the
manual, but I do not have to.

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > 
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > >   We just pointed out
> > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> > >
> > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
> > > no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
> > > the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > 
> > Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no 
> > matter how hard you try to ignore it.
> 
> I wish I understood that!
> 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Brian]

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> 
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > We just pointed out
> > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> >
> > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
> > no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
> > the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
> >
> > Regards,
> 
> Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no 
> matter how hard you try to ignore it.

I wish I understood that!

-- 
Brian.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Brian]

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 19:31:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote:

> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> >   We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> 
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no
> way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user the
> sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;

Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the
simple task of switching on an electric light in a house.

If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If
he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local
substation to fix the problem we are outside the province of a user's
remit. How about deleting a power station or two to get the lights in
the house working?

The problem with computers is that a user says "this is *my* computer
and I will do with it what I want. Consequently, the easiest way to
happiness is to destroy the system and rebuild. Competence with system
administration and its philosophy is hardly at the forefront in the use
of computers.

Having said that, a full partition does require sensitive treatment. It
hasn't received it in this thread.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:

> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> >   We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
> no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
> the sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;
>
> Regards,

Another demonstration of TANSTAAFL Nicolas.  Its a law one will obey no 
matter how hard you try to ignore it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 04 January 2019 13:24:39 deloptes wrote:

> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount
> > of space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an
> > essential system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he
> > will continue to use well beyond the current crisis.
> >
> > Reinstalling on a larger disk to "fix" this is like buying a new car
> > every time you run out of gasoline.
>
> almost like my brother in law who is buying a new notebook every 2
> years because the old one is getting slow. You can imagine which OS it
> is :)
>
> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth
> in the past years.

I see that too, darn it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

deloptes (12019-01-04):
> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of
> the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past
> years.

It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme
than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a
new one.

Alas, the idiotic way most people evaluate the economy, the GDP, often
makes it seem that kind of thing is good. But according to the GDP,
being stuck in traffic is good for the economy.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

deloptes (12019-01-04):
> We just pointed out
> that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.

And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no
way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user the
sysadmin. Their choice whether they become competent or not;

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Greg Wooledge wrote:

> All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of
> space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an essential
> system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue
> to use well beyond the current crisis.
> 
> Reinstalling on a larger disk to "fix" this is like buying a new car
> every time you run out of gasoline.

almost like my brother in law who is buying a new notebook every 2 years
because the old one is getting slow. You can imagine which OS it is :)

So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of
the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past
years.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Nicolas George wrote:

> Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on
> this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not
> just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your
> knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you would be the one
> helping.

but you do not know the OP and can not estimate what he is doing with the
answers, so why should you judge others statements. We just pointed out
that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[David Wright]

On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:15:11 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like 
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall 
> > to a new drive [...]
> 
> Come on, people.  Show some sense.  (And yes, this includes the OP.)
> 
> He simply has a full root file system.  He has shown the df output at
> least twice now.
> 
> (A full root file system clearly and plainly shown by df despite the OP
> claiming he is certain he's not out of space, no less.)

That's rather unfair. songbird asked after space/inodes and the OP
responded with "so far as I know". With space in so many places,
it would be easy for someone to overlook no space on /. (Which is
why I replied "yes, but we don't" and asked for df to be posted).

On posting the output, the OP asked "could this e [sic] a problem?".

I see no "claim". AFAICT the OP's query was not directly replied to
until today, though obviously it, or the other df listing, was
read by others, continuing the discussion on several fronts.

Stepping back and reading this thread, it seems that there are a lot
of "solutions" being thrown in before the OP has been encouraged to
find out what the true root (pun intended) of the problem is.
As Felix hinted/suggested, I thought rather harshly, the problem
might not be caused by what you can see, but by what you can't.
The OP needs to examine the filesystem usage and see if that squares
with the free space, not go round deleting things (or shopping).

Most people's systems evolve (unless they're fresh install types)
and the history of the system might need to be taken into account.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[tomas]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
> > > reinstall to a new drive [...]
> >
> > Come on, people.  Show some sense.  (And yes, this includes the OP.)
> >
> > He simply has a full root file system.  He has shown the df output at
> > least twice now.
> >
> > (A full root file system clearly and plainly shown by df despite the
> > OP claiming he is certain he's not out of space, no less.)
> 
> I don't have an argument against any of that Greg, but lets clarify one 
> thing here and now for the OP. Several responders keep using the "/root" 
> to describe what you clearly intend to be interpreted as the root of the 
> filesystem, AKA "/" when in 99.99% of the installs /root is the 
> sysadmin's home DIRECTORY, and not the root of the filesystem.

No, but /root is customarily in the root file system (mounted on /), and
it happens some times that there are things forgotten in there (e.g.
from manually installed packages, admin sessions squirreling away backups
of things, etc). Not a recommended pattern, but it happens.

I did interpret the proposals to look into /root in this vein.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands, 
> that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount 
> that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to 
> continue his project, much faster than he'll be able to fix this 
> install. IOW, the most expedient way to get the OP back up to speed on 
> whatever it is that he may be working on.

All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of
space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an essential
system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue
to use well beyond the current crisis.

Reinstalling on a larger disk to "fix" this is like buying a new car
every time you run out of gasoline.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
> > reinstall to a new drive [...]
>
> Come on, people.  Show some sense.  (And yes, this includes the OP.)
>
> He simply has a full root file system.  He has shown the df output at
> least twice now.
>
> (A full root file system clearly and plainly shown by df despite the
> OP claiming he is certain he's not out of space, no less.)

I don't have an argument against any of that Greg, but lets clarify one 
thing here and now for the OP. Several responders keep using the "/root" 
to describe what you clearly intend to be interpreted as the root of the 
filesystem, AKA "/" when in 99.99% of the installs /root is the 
sysadmin's home DIRECTORY, and not the root of the filesystem.

So lets all quit using /root as the base of the filesystem, it is not, / 
is. /root is normally roots home directory, root being user #1 and there 
is quite a large diff.

My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands, 
that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount 
that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to 
continue his project, much faster than he'll be able to fix this 
install. IOW, the most expedient way to get the OP back up to speed on 
whatever it is that he may be working on.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> In this case, I hate to sound like 
> an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall 
> to a new drive [...]

Come on, people.  Show some sense.  (And yes, this includes the OP.)

He simply has a full root file system.  He has shown the df output at
least twice now.

(A full root file system clearly and plainly shown by df despite the OP
claiming he is certain he's not out of space, no less.)

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Curt]

On 2019-01-03, Andy Smith  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
>> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>> 
>> > I have no sysadmin.
>> 
>> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
>> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
>
> I Have No Sysadmin And I Must Sudo
>
>

With apologies to Harlan Ellison (let 'im RIP)?

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

Roberto C. Sánchez (12019-01-04):
> That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things
> break or quit working as expected.  The machine then either has to be
> repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or
> her own, then somebody else will need to handle it (and likely be paid
> for the service).

Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on
this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not
just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your
knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you would be the one
helping.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (2019-01-04):
> > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.
> 
> And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
> noticed.
> 
I tried about 15 years ago.  It turns out I couldn't hack it :-)

I am older and wiser now, so I suppose I could, but my interests are now
elsewhere.

> >To
> > operate a PC means you know how to power on, login, start and use
> > application
> 
> What applications can they use if nobody installed them? You have a
> strange opinion of how a PC works.
> 
> There is no going around it: a PC is a very complex piece of technology.
> For everyday use, the complexity is well hidden, but not all day is
> everyday. There are unavoidably cases when somebody needs to deal with
> the complexity. In that case, there are only three options:
> 
> - pay somebody competent to do the job, or else entice them to do the
>   job for free;
> 
> - become competent;
> 
> - go live in a cave.
> 
The line between operator and administrator has been blurry since the
beginning of computing.  Just as people who own automobiles today need
to know far less in terms of mechanical diagnosis and repair than those
who owned automobiles 100 years ago, operating a Unix-like computer
today can be successfully accomplished with far less in the way
knowledge of system administration than was possible 20 or 30 years ago.

That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things
break or quit working as expected.  The machine then either has to be
repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or
her own, then somebody else will need to handle it (and likely be paid
for the service).

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

deloptes (2019-01-04):
> Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.

And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
noticed.

>  To
> operate a PC means you know how to power on, login, start and use
> application

What applications can they use if nobody installed them? You have a
strange opinion of how a PC works.

There is no going around it: a PC is a very complex piece of technology.
For everyday use, the complexity is well hidden, but not all day is
everyday. There are unavoidably cases when somebody needs to deal with
the complexity. In that case, there are only three options:

- pay somebody competent to do the job, or else entice them to do the
  job for free;

- become competent;

- go live in a cave.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Frank Weißer]

Hi Stephen,

Stephen P. Molnar:



On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x  26 root root   4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root  12288 Jan  3 09:43 /etc
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw---   1 root root  12288 Jan  3 12:49 /etc/ld.so.cache~
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 34 Apr  9  2017 /etc/ld.so.conf
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 Aug 22 07:41 /etc/ld.so.conf.d

Well... /etc isn't missing, at least.

When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:

rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0

So, it seems that your ldconfig is generating the /etc/ld.so.cache~ file,
or at least a partial one (12288 is a suspiciously ROUND number, being
precisely 3 times 4 kilobytes).  And then ... something bad happens 
before

it can rename it to /etc/ld.so.cache.  Or finish writing it.

Are you out of disk space?  Granted, I would have expected a DIFFERENT
error message in that case, but it's a thing to check.

You might consider simply copying the /usr/bin/strace file from a
different Debian system onto this one, just so you can run it.

OK.  I happen to have Debian Stretch in a virtual machine for testing 
purposes.


strace is in /usr/bin on there.  I copied it to the host and ran it.

comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo ./strace
[sudo] password for comp:
./strace: must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
Try './strace -h' for more information.

I'm totally at sea here, which switch should iI use?

Also:

comp@AbNormal:~$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev    3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev
tmpfs   789M   18M  772M   3% /run
/dev/sda1    23G   23G 0 100% /   <- could this 
e a problem?

tmpfs   3.9G   12K  3.9G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   5.0M  8.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda7   1.9G  6.5M  1.7G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda5   9.2G  6.0G  2.8G  69% /var
/dev/sda8   416G  103G  292G  27% /home
/dev/sdc1    20G  301M   19G   2% /sdc1
/dev/sdc2   439G  169G  270G  39% /sdc2
/dev/sdb1   1.8T  288G  1.5T  17% /sdb1
tmpfs   789M  4.0K  789M   1% /run/user/110
tmpfs   789M   28K  789M   1% /run/user/1000

I have all of my application software in /home/comp/Apps



Your root partition is out of space,>> /dev/sda123G   23G 0 
100% /   <- could this
 so there won't be any writing to /etc , which is on this partition, 
until You get rid of some data, e.g. in /root.


Then try again, what You've been told in this thread.

kind regards

readU
Frank

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

songbird wrote:

> often you can get quite a bit of space from the
> package cache.
> 

but his var is on dedicated partition

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:39:51 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
> > cat /etc/debian_version
>
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
> 9.6
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
> Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> udev3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev
> tmpfs   789M   18M  772M   3% /run
> /dev/sda123G   23G 0 100% /
Bingo! ^^^

Now we are at the heart of the problem.  Go get a 2Tbyte (< $100 USD 
these days) hard drive and reinstall. 40Gb quickly became overcrowded on 
a full kit of an Amiga 2000 nearly 25 years ago.

And in your case, let the installer create the directories it needs, 
don't try to second guess and make your own partitions. Disconnect the 
data cables from sdb and sdc to protect them while installing, they may 
have data you'll need after the new install is up and running.

> tmpfs   3.9G   18M  3.9G   1% /dev/shm
> tmpfs   5.0M  8.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
> tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
> /dev/sda7   1.9G  6.5M  1.7G   1% /tmp
> /dev/sda5   9.2G  6.0G  2.8G  69% /var
> /dev/sda8   416G  103G  292G  27% /home
> /dev/sdc120G  301M   19G   2% /sdc1
> /dev/sdc2   439G  169G  270G  39% /sdc2
> /dev/sdb1   1.8T  288G  1.5T  17% /sdb1
> tmpfs   789M  4.0K  789M   1% /run/user/110
> tmpfs   789M   28K  789M   1% /run/user/1000
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp#


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:36:33 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> >> Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an
> >> Organioc Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> >
> > Then ask your sysadmin.
> >
> > Regards,
>
> I have no sysadmin.

Sorry to sound high and mighty, which I'm a far cry from, but if you 
don't have such a person in your organization, be willing to prepare 
yourself to be able to do that job. In this case, I hate to sound like 
an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall 
to a new drive so that later you may stand a chance of recovering 
valueable work from this drive, and by paying particular attention to 
whether your hardware is 32 bit or 64 bit.

I suspect you got into this situation by trying to install a 32 bit main 
system library on a 64 bit system, or more likely, a 64 bit main system 
library on a 32 bit system that does understand 32 bit stuff most of the 
time.

In either case there could be binary commands your cpu doesn't grok in 
the library. So again, your best bet is probably a re-install.

And be more willing to become that IT person. Those of us that can help, 
will try, but you've got to be willing to state exactly how you arrived 
at this apparent impass.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[songbird]

deloptes wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
>
>> /dev/sda1        23G   23G     0 100% /
>
> bingo - the root of all evil

  yep.


> you need to free up some space somewhere in /
>
> Perhaps you have some stuff in root home
>
> $ sudo du -hs /root
>
> If not - look where the place is gone?
>
> regards

  often you can get quite a bit of space from the
package cache.

  as root use autoclean or clean (if you have a fast
connection where downloading packages goes quickly).

# apt-get autoclean

or 

# apt-get clean


  sorry about my mistake earlier as i did mean:

# apt-get install libc-bin --reinstall

  but you have to have free space on the 
device first.


  songbird

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Nicolas George wrote:

> You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
> motor vehicles and obtaining it requires acquiring a certain amount of
> knowledge, right?

Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. To
operate a PC means you know how to power on, login, start and use
application (implies knowing what is mouse and keyboard and being
litterate) and so on. It has nothing to do with executing commands on the
command line.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

Roberto C. Sánchez (2019-01-03):
> That would be like saying that someone who operates a motor vehicle
> without also being a mechanic is doing so without acquiring the required
> knowlege.

You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
motor vehicles and obtaining it requires acquiring a certain amount of
knowledge, right?

Regards,

-- 
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Andy Smith]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
> 
> > I have no sysadmin.
> 
> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.

I Have No Sysadmin And I Must Sudo

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > > Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> 
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
> 
> > I have no sysadmin.
> 
> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
> 
That would be like saying that someone who operates a motor vehicle
without also being a mechanic is doing so without acquiring the required
knowlege.  It is not reasonable to expect that everybody will learn to
be a system administrator in order to use a computer.  In Stephen's
case, the computer is a tool he uses to get his job done.

I see no problem with him focusing on his job instead of learning to be
a sysadmin.  In this case, he encountered a problem, came here for help
and several people were able to help him diagnose the problem and start
moving toward a solution.

It seems like it worked out for all involved.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.

> > Then ask your sysadmin.

> I have no sysadmin.

Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Nicolas George wrote:

> Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
> unhelpful comments?

Next time please explain ... not that I did not understand what you mean,
but it sounds very personal.
You could just point out, that it is not possible to install package when
the installer has unconfigured libc-bin package.

I think we found the problem few mails below.

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> /dev/sda1        23G   23G     0 100% /

bingo - the root of all evil

you need to free up some space somewhere in /

Perhaps you have some stuff in root home

$ sudo du -hs /root

If not - look where the place is gone?

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:

cat /etc/debian_version

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
9.6
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev
tmpfs   789M   18M  772M   3% /run
/dev/sda123G   23G 0 100% /
tmpfs   3.9G   18M  3.9G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   5.0M  8.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda7   1.9G  6.5M  1.7G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda5   9.2G  6.0G  2.8G  69% /var
/dev/sda8   416G  103G  292G  27% /home
/dev/sdc120G  301M   19G   2% /sdc1
/dev/sdc2   439G  169G  270G  39% /sdc2
/dev/sdb1   1.8T  288G  1.5T  17% /sdb1
tmpfs   789M  4.0K  789M   1% /run/user/110
tmpfs   789M   28K  789M   1% /run/user/1000
root@AbNormal:/home/comp#


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):

Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.

Then ask your sysadmin.

Regards,


I have no sysadmin.

--
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Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# touch /etc/ld.so.cache
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# /sbin/ldconfig
> /sbin/ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

Tell us which version you have

$ cat /etc/debian_version
9.6

check and post here if you are out of space

$ df -hl
...
...

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

deloptes (2019-01-03):
> You don't just copy executables here and there (unless instructed to do so)
> You install via package manager

Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
unhelpful comments?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.

Then ask your sysadmin.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> strace is in /usr/bin on there.  I copied it to the host and ran it.
> 
> comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo ./strace
> [sudo] password for comp:
> ./strace: must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
> Try './strace -h' for more information.
> 
> I'm totally at sea here, which switch should iI use?

You don't just copy executables here and there (unless instructed to do so)
You install via package manager

sudo apt-get install strace

usually linux programs (installed the proper way) come with man(ual) page,
so

man strace

will help you understand how the program can be run and of course you have
google or a like

you run strace with the executable you want to trace

sudo strace ldconfig

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x  26 root root   4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root  12288 Jan  3 09:43 /etc
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw---   1 root root  12288 Jan  3 12:49 /etc/ld.so.cache~
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 34 Apr  9  2017 /etc/ld.so.conf
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 Aug 22 07:41 /etc/ld.so.conf.d

Well... /etc isn't missing, at least.

When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:

rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0

So, it seems that your ldconfig is generating the /etc/ld.so.cache~ file,
or at least a partial one (12288 is a suspiciously ROUND number, being
precisely 3 times 4 kilobytes).  And then ... something bad happens before
it can rename it to /etc/ld.so.cache.  Or finish writing it.

Are you out of disk space?  Granted, I would have expected a DIFFERENT
error message in that case, but it's a thing to check.

You might consider simply copying the /usr/bin/strace file from a
different Debian system onto this one, just so you can run it.

OK.  I happen to have Debian Stretch in a virtual machine for testing 
purposes.


strace is in /usr/bin on there.  I copied it to the host and ran it.

comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo ./strace
[sudo] password for comp:
./strace: must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
Try './strace -h' for more information.

I'm totally at sea here, which switch should iI use?

Also:

comp@AbNormal:~$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev
tmpfs   789M   18M  772M   3% /run
/dev/sda123G   23G 0 100% /   <- could this 
e a problem?

tmpfs   3.9G   12K  3.9G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   5.0M  8.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda7   1.9G  6.5M  1.7G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda5   9.2G  6.0G  2.8G  69% /var
/dev/sda8   416G  103G  292G  27% /home
/dev/sdc120G  301M   19G   2% /sdc1
/dev/sdc2   439G  169G  270G  39% /sdc2
/dev/sdb1   1.8T  288G  1.5T  17% /sdb1
tmpfs   789M  4.0K  789M   1% /run/user/110
tmpfs   789M   28K  789M   1% /run/user/1000

I have all of my application software in /home/comp/Apps

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:42:50PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:
> 
> rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0

Oh, and there was also this stuff:

stat("/var/cache/ldconfig", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0700, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
open("/var/cache/ldconfig/aux-cache~", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_NOFOLLOW, 
0600) = 3
write(3, "glibc-ld.so.auxcache-1.0\273\2\0\0\376-\0\0"..., 45358) = 45358
close(3)= 0
rename("/var/cache/ldconfig/aux-cache~", "/var/cache/ldconfig/aux-cache") = 0
brk(0xa2d000)   = 0xa2d000

Maybe your /var/cache/ldconfig directory is missing?  I honestly have
no idea what that is.  I've never seen it before.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
> drwxr-xr-x  26 root root   4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
> drwxr-xr-x 134 root root  12288 Jan  3 09:43 /etc
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw---   1 root root  12288 Jan  3 12:49 /etc/ld.so.cache~
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 34 Apr  9  2017 /etc/ld.so.conf
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 Aug 22 07:41 /etc/ld.so.conf.d

Well... /etc isn't missing, at least.

When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:

rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0

So, it seems that your ldconfig is generating the /etc/ld.so.cache~ file,
or at least a partial one (12288 is a suspiciously ROUND number, being
precisely 3 times 4 kilobytes).  And then ... something bad happens before
it can rename it to /etc/ld.so.cache.  Or finish writing it.

Are you out of disk space?  Granted, I would have expected a DIFFERENT
error message in that case, but it's a thing to check.

You might consider simply copying the /usr/bin/strace file from a
different Debian system onto this one, just so you can run it.

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 02:10 PM, deloptes wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

Try

touch /etc/ld.so.cache

and repeat


root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
-bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
root@AbNormal:/home/comp#

It is /sbin/ldconfig

regards




root@AbNormal:/home/comp# touch /etc/ld.so.cache
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# /sbin/ldconfig
/sbin/ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 12:53 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

You NEED to figure out why this is happening.  Is the entire /etc
directory gone, or something?

Show some basic initiative.  Look around.  Show us what abnormal things
are going on with your system.

ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
strace /sbin/ldconfig

Do something, do ANYTHING useful!

Thank you for your helpful comment.  Unfortunately. I am an Organioc 
Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.


Now, strace is not installed, nor can I install it, thanks to the error 
messages.


Might this help?

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x  26 root root   4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root  12288 Jan  3 09:43 /etc
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw---   1 root root  12288 Jan  3 12:49 /etc/ld.so.cache~
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 34 Apr  9  2017 /etc/ld.so.conf
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 Aug 22 07:41 /etc/ld.so.conf.d

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

Try

touch /etc/ld.so.cache

and repeat

> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp#

It is /sbin/ldconfig

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

You NEED to figure out why this is happening.  Is the entire /etc
directory gone, or something?

Show some basic initiative.  Look around.  Show us what abnormal things
are going on with your system.

ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
strace /sbin/ldconfig

Do something, do ANYTHING useful!

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Nicolas George]

Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory

At this point, I would suggest:

strace ldconfig

> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory

You should re-read the commands you type, the mistake is obvious.

Regards,

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 12:35 PM, deloptes wrote:

deloptes wrote:


man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache

Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
cache file

$ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan  1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache

as root try

touch /etc/ld.so.cache

run manually ldconfig and perform the upgrade again

check if you have also the rest of ldconfig - at least /etc/ld.so.conf

best would be if you had backup and knew what was there before

regards


Thanks for the suggestion.

However:

root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
-bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
root@AbNormal:/home/comp#

This seems to me as being rather strange, because ldconfig is installed 
in sbin.


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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

deloptes wrote:

> man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
> 
> Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
> cache file
> 
> $ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan  1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache

as root try 

touch /etc/ld.so.cache

run manually ldconfig and perform the upgrade again 

check if you have also the rest of ldconfig - at least /etc/ld.so.conf

best would be if you had backup and knew what was there before

regards

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 01/03/2019 11:29 AM, deloptes wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1

man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache

Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
cache file

$ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan  1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache

regards


Thanks for your reply.

I haven't, at least knowingly, altered the file.  I don't really mess 
around the the OS, other than to keep it updated via apt or apt-get.


Can it be restored?

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Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[steve]

Hi Stephan,

Perhaps have you become root with 'su' only. A couple of weeks ago, I
had the same problem. It seems su behaviour has changed recently. I
tried 'su -' to become root, and the error disappeared. 


I guess some reading of su changelog file might explain this. But too lazy
for that.

Hope it helps.

Best,
Steve

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
> dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1

man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache

Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
cache file

$ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan  1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache

regards