Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:55:39 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Tuesday 25 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? Hmmm, I don't know if this will be of any help :-? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Yes, I know I can do it manually, I was looking for the same kind of alias that wireless-tools provided. If they're not docummented and because this is an ongoing work, I'd say there is none (or at least none that I am aware of) ;-(. Are you missing a specific command? Anyway, it seems that the usual set of tools¹ (the ones you mention) are still available. ¹http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/Wireless-Extensions Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.11.29...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:55:39 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Tuesday 25 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? Hmmm, I don't know if this will be of any help :-? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Yes, I know I can do it manually, I was looking for the same kind of alias that wireless-tools provided. If they're not docummented and because this is an ongoing work, I'd say there is none (or at least none that I am aware of) ;-(. Are you missing a specific command? Anyway, it seems that the usual set of tools¹ (the ones you mention) are still available. ¹http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/Wireless-Extensions Greetings, You are misunderstanding what I am asking for. I want to be able to write the iw equivalient of:- iface wlan0 inet static wireless-essid Test wireless-channel 7 Given that iwconfig is now deprecated (at least for new wifi interfaces) at a minimum it would be a good idea if wireless-XXX used iw. I will submit a bug to this effect. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110261326.23650.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:26:23 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Yes, I know I can do it manually, I was looking for the same kind of alias that wireless-tools provided. If they're not docummented and because this is an ongoing work, I'd say there is none (or at least none that I am aware of) ;-(. Are you missing a specific command? Anyway, it seems that the usual set of tools¹ (the ones you mention) are still available. ¹http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/Wireless-Extensions You are misunderstanding what I am asking for. Hum? I thought you were looking for iwconfig/iwlist/iw* commands replacement. I want to be able to write the iw equivalient of:- iface wlan0 inet static wireless-essid Test wireless-channel 7 Given that iwconfig is now deprecated Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. (at least for new wifi interfaces) at a minimum it would be a good idea if wireless-XXX used iw. I will submit a bug to this effect. That's the recommended/docummented way to manually setup the wifi adapter in Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basics_of_wireless_lan_interface So, what's what are you exactly missing now? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.13.04...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:26:23 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Yes, I know I can do it manually, I was looking for the same kind of alias that wireless-tools provided. If they're not docummented and because this is an ongoing work, I'd say there is none (or at least none that I am aware of) ;-(. Are you missing a specific command? Anyway, it seems that the usual set of tools¹ (the ones you mention) are still available. ¹http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/Wireless-Extension s You are misunderstanding what I am asking for. Hum? I thought you were looking for iwconfig/iwlist/iw* commands replacement. I want to be able to write the iw equivalient of:- iface wlan0 inet static wireless-essid Test wireless-channel 7 Given that iwconfig is now deprecated Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. (at least for new wifi interfaces) at a minimum it would be a good idea if wireless-XXX used iw. I will submit a bug to this effect. That's the recommended/docummented way to manually setup the wifi adapter in Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basics _of_wireless_lan_interface Unfortunately that does not cover configuring mesh networks, which is one of the areas that can not be done with iwconfig and has to be done using iw. David So, what's what are you exactly missing now? Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110261431.18058.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) I want to be able to write the iw equivalient of:- iface wlan0 inet static wireless-essid Test wireless-channel 7 Given that iwconfig is now deprecated Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, in Debian package wireless-tools is still supported/available. (at least for new wifi interfaces) at a minimum it would be a good idea if wireless-XXX used iw. I will submit a bug to this effect. That's the recommended/docummented way to manually setup the wifi adapter in Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basics_of_wireless_lan_interface Unfortunately that does not cover configuring mesh networks, which is one of the areas that can not be done with iwconfig and has to be done using iw. Can you please put an exact example for such configuration? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.14.20...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111026103448.0a6feaa5e5cec4fe0d407...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:34:48 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.14.46...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:46:17 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:34:48 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. I think you may be confusing 'ifconfig / iwconfig' and ifupdown. The former are *nix standard tools; the latter is a Debian-specific package that contains the utilities ifup / ifdown, which work with the file /etc/network/interfaces to manipulate network interfaces. IIUC, this is a higher level interface which calls ifconfig / iwconfig / wpa_supplicant / dhclient and other lower level utilities to do the actual work. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is documented quite nicely: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111026111600.b89cfe21afd435ed78647...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:34:48 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces I am talking about Wireless interfaces, NOT ethernet ones. (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is very well documented, and it is available on Debian (has been for years). Its like the difference between ifconfig and ip, ifconfig is now deprecated (still exists but you should use the new one) and ip which gives all the new facilities. The same applies to iwconfig (the old one) and the newer iw. David Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110261618.20408.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:16:00 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:46:17 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:34:48 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Okay, I will have to ask... who has told you that? wireless-tools package is still available in Debian and he upstream project is just on the way to replace it but they are still needed in some cases. If you ask anything about iwconfig on the wireless kernel mailing list you will get told that iwconfig is deprecated, does not provide all the function and at times give the wrong answers and that iw should be used on all mac80211 based wireless drivers. They wrote it, so they should know. Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. I think you may be confusing 'ifconfig / iwconfig' and ifupdown. The former are *nix standard tools; the latter is a Debian-specific package that contains the utilities ifup / ifdown, which work with the file /etc/network/interfaces to manipulate network interfaces. IIUC, this is a higher level interface which calls ifconfig / iwconfig / wpa_supplicant / dhclient and other lower level utilities to do the actual work. I have not mentioned ifupdown but ifup :-) And I've been calling ifup to the old method for setting up the networking interfaces that I have been using years ago. Ifup was the name I used in openSUSE for ifconfig tools (not just a binary file), so the naming confusion problem can come from here. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is documented quite nicely: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw Yes, I know... I mentioned that page in the very first of my posts to this thread ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.15.45...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:20 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces I am talking about Wireless interfaces, NOT ethernet ones. Yes, but I was not replying to you ;-) (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is very well documented, and it is available on Debian (has been for years). Its like the difference between ifconfig and ip, ifconfig is now deprecated (still exists but you should use the new one) and ip which gives all the new facilities. The same applies to iwconfig (the old one) and the newer iw. Let me ask you again... what specific setup configuration options are you missing from the current available tools to setting up your wireless adapters in Debian? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.15.49...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:20 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces I am talking about Wireless interfaces, NOT ethernet ones. Yes, but I was not replying to you ;-) (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is very well documented, and it is available on Debian (has been for years). Its like the difference between ifconfig and ip, ifconfig is now deprecated (still exists but you should use the new one) and ip which gives all the new facilities. The same applies to iwconfig (the old one) and the newer iw. Let me ask you again... what specific setup configuration options are you missing from the current available tools to setting up your wireless adapters in Debian? It is possible to hand code, using the explicit iw commands, all the things I want to do, BUT it is long winded, difficult to read, and if for instance I change an interface name (say wlan0 to wlan1) I have to change all the references in the commands, and Sods Law says I will miss one. The wireless_XXX aliases provide a shorthand and also hide things like making sure the right interface is passed to the right command. I am looking for an equivalient which allows me to use the new facilities in the iw command (such as configuring mesh networks) which can not be encoded using either iwconfig or wireless_XXX. Its not that it can not be done, it is that the Debian Way(TM) seems to be to use these aliases (and the wireless_XXX one is not the only one) and there is no alias (that I can find) that uses iw and therefore enables the facilities that I am trying to define. David Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110261717.38949.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:45:57 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:16:00 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:46:17 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:34:48 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:23 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:31:17 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: ... Then why not ask them for a recommended replacement? If that's iw then ask for the documents on how to properly setup when using ifup method ;-) AFAIK, ifupdown is a Debian specific package - kernel devs are hardly responsible for documenting it. Are you sure? :-) I'm only aware of two ways for setting up ethernet network interfaces (today) in Linux systems: one if using the old method (ifup/ifconfig) and other is using networkmanager. And both are not Debian-centric, I've also used them in openSUSE, for instance. I think you may be confusing 'ifconfig / iwconfig' and ifupdown. The former are *nix standard tools; the latter is a Debian-specific package that contains the utilities ifup / ifdown, which work with the file /etc/network/interfaces to manipulate network interfaces. IIUC, this is a higher level interface which calls ifconfig / iwconfig / wpa_supplicant / dhclient and other lower level utilities to do the actual work. I have not mentioned ifupdown but ifup :-) Ifup is a command from the ifupdown package. And I've been calling ifup to the old method for setting up the networking interfaces that I have been using years ago. Ifup was the name I used in openSUSE for ifconfig tools (not just a binary file), so the naming confusion problem can come from here. I know nothing about openSUSE. This is a Debian list, and 'ifup' in this context refers to a Debian specific script from the ifupdown package. And your comments are not coherent, anyway. You expressed an expectation that the kernel people document using 'ifup' with 'iw'. But 'iw' itself is documented quite nicely - and the only thing not documented is how to use it with 'ifupdown', which, as I've explained, is not their responsibility. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is documented quite nicely: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw Yes, I know... I mentioned that page in the very first of my posts to this thread ;-) Okay - so what are you complaining is not documented? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111026121958.b55a14b38ac2c42d74eb2...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:38 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) Let me ask you again... what specific setup configuration options are you missing from the current available tools to setting up your wireless adapters in Debian? It is possible to hand code, using the explicit iw commands, all the things I want to do, BUT it is long winded, difficult to read, and if for instance I change an interface name (say wlan0 to wlan1) I have to change all the references in the commands, and Sods Law says I will miss one. AFAICT, there is the option for using static names to define the network interfaces, by means of udev rules, so you don't have to depend on the wlan0 or wlanx naming. The wireless_XXX aliases provide a shorthand and also hide things like making sure the right interface is passed to the right command. I am looking for an equivalient which allows me to use the new facilities in the iw command (such as configuring mesh networks) which can not be encoded using either iwconfig or wireless_XXX. I still don't get the point for your request :-) You want to use wireless_XXX and you can use them, so why are you worried about? I suppose at the time these tools are not available anymore there will be a convenient replacement. And now you say you are looking for an equivalent option for something that currently cannot be done with the wireless-tools utilities. Then you're not looking for an equivalent but for a way to do something with iw tools. It's okay but that's not what I understood for your first post... Its not that it can not be done, it is that the Debian Way(TM) seems to be to use these aliases (and the wireless_XXX one is not the only one) and there is no alias (that I can find) that uses iw and therefore enables the facilities that I am trying to define. Mmm, I don't want to be stubborn but a concrete example will help a lot to find a way to do what you want to get ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.16.36...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:19:58 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:45:57 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: (...) I think you may be confusing 'ifconfig / iwconfig' and ifupdown. The former are *nix standard tools; the latter is a Debian-specific package that contains the utilities ifup / ifdown, which work with the file /etc/network/interfaces to manipulate network interfaces. IIUC, this is a higher level interface which calls ifconfig / iwconfig / wpa_supplicant / dhclient and other lower level utilities to do the actual work. I have not mentioned ifupdown but ifup :-) Ifup is a command from the ifupdown package. Yes. And it's also the name of the way for setting up the network parameters in openSUSE. Sorry if that has confused you. And I've been calling ifup to the old method for setting up the networking interfaces that I have been using years ago. Ifup was the name I used in openSUSE for ifconfig tools (not just a binary file), so the naming confusion problem can come from here. I know nothing about openSUSE. This is a Debian list, and 'ifup' in this context refers to a Debian specific script from the ifupdown package. It's okay, I thought ifup was a common way for designating the old method for configuring the networking stuff in contrast to the new Network Manager option. Maybe that was an openSUSE specific denomination, I beg your perdon for having an openSUSE past ;-) And your comments are not coherent, anyway. You expressed an expectation that the kernel people document using 'ifup' with 'iw'. But 'iw' itself is documented quite nicely - and the only thing not documented is how to use it with 'ifupdown', which, as I've explained, is not their responsibility. No, that's not what I said. Please, re-read the whole thread and specially message ID pan.2011.10.26.14.20...@gmail.com. Anyway, whatever method is proposed by iw devels should be docummented so users and distributions can adapt it to their needs, don't you think? iw is documented quite nicely: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw Yes, I know... I mentioned that page in the very first of my posts to this thread ;-) Okay - so what are you complaining is not documented? Me? No sir... you must have misread the thread. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.26.16.56...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Tue 25 Oct 2011 at 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? iw does not integrate with ifupdown yet. Please see the README.Debian for the iw package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111026165041.GA10133@desktop
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Brian wrote: On Tue 25 Oct 2011 at 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? iw does not integrate with ifupdown yet. Please see the README.Debian for the iw package. Its a shame that 3 years (its dates 30th Oct 2008) later nothing has moved. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110261838.34186.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Wed 26 Oct 2011 at 18:38:33 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 26 Oct 2011, Brian wrote: iw does not integrate with ifupdown yet. Please see the README.Debian for the iw package. Its a shame that 3 years (its dates 30th Oct 2008) later nothing has moved. I'd have a shot at using the pre-up/post-up options provided by ifupdown. Something like 'pre-up iw [options] command' could be fruitful. It would be interesting to know if it came to anything. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111026191559.GB10133@desktop
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? Hmmm, I don't know if this will be of any help :-? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.25.17.40...@gmail.com
Re: Is there an equivalent of wireless-xxxx using iw rather then iwconfig
On Tuesday 25 Oct 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:30:53 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: In wireless-tools there is support for embedding wireless-xxx commands which get converted into iwconfig commands. iwconfig is now deprecated for many wireless cards, in favour of iw. Is there a package that provides network/interfaces support for iw? Hmmm, I don't know if this will be of any help :-? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig It basically documents the most common operations done from iw. Greetings, Yes, I know I can do it manually, I was looking for the same kind of alias that wireless-tools provided. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110251855.40110.david.goodeno...@btconnect.com
