Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 23:37 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/28/2012 1:39 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 20:27 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Try: $clive -f best http://vimeo.com/24972836; Does it download and convert long YouTube videos on the fly or does it take hours? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufCS2ad0eE Regards, Ralf On the fly. Actually, quite faster than real time, depending on your connection speed. Not all YouTube (or other) videos will be available. Some will be embedded only, or will otherwise result in 403 Forbidden. YMMV Mark Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1349160834.1164.3.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 20:27 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Try: $clive -f best http://vimeo.com/24972836; Does it download and convert long YouTube videos on the fly or does it take hours? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufCS2ad0eE Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348814344.1154.1.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Celejar: lee: Celejar: If the website gives you a mms:// url, can wget download the content from that (I don't know, I've never tried it)? You'd have to try, the manpage of wget doesn't say and I don't have an URL to try it with. I'm pretty sure wget doesn't handle such urls. There is a package named 'mimms' that is designed to download streams using the MMS protocol. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120928112412.d50095ef.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:24:12 +0200 Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote: Celejar: lee: Celejar: If the website gives you a mms:// url, can wget download the content from that (I don't know, I've never tried it)? You'd have to try, the manpage of wget doesn't say and I don't have an URL to try it with. I'm pretty sure wget doesn't handle such urls. There is a package named 'mimms' that is designed to download streams using the MMS protocol. Thanks - I usually just use vlc, which works well. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120928081830.61ddbab8.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/28/2012 1:39 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 20:27 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Try: $clive -f best http://vimeo.com/24972836; Does it download and convert long YouTube videos on the fly or does it take hours? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufCS2ad0eE Regards, Ralf On the fly. Actually, quite faster than real time, depending on your connection speed. Not all YouTube (or other) videos will be available. Some will be embedded only, or will otherwise result in 403 Forbidden. YMMV Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50667b19.1000...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/25/2012 4:42 PM, lee wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: http://www.iba.org.il/gimmel/?entity=869508type=269page=248 Clicking the little red headphone-with-emanating-sound-waves brings up this message: You must install the Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin. Click here to download and install the plugin. Or click here to view the content directly in your Windows Media Player. Clicking the second link invokes gecko-mediaplayer with a normal stream url. Yes that works, it creates a plugin-container running gmplayer. It doesn't play a video, though. Have you ever used Clive? Install the clive package, and see if you can successfully download videos from YouTube or other sites that use Flash to display video. Clive captures video directly by downloading the stream to itself and saves it as an ordinary video file, which can be played by any number of media players. It doesn't use wget (as far as I know), and it doesn't require Flash. All it usually needs is a URL. It is a command line program. It has a few options, such as --format best which may be helpful. $man clive tells you how to run it. Also look at abby and cclive. Try: $clive -f best http://vimeo.com/24972836; Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5064fd04.3030...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:42:22 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: http://www.iba.org.il/gimmel/?entity=869508type=269page=248 Clicking the little red headphone-with-emanating-sound-waves brings up this message: You must install the Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin. Click here to download and install the plugin. Or click here to view the content directly in your Windows Media Player. Clicking the second link invokes gecko-mediaplayer with a normal stream url. Yes that works, it creates a plugin-container running gmplayer. It doesn't play a video, though. There's no video; it's just a radio stream. Sorry if I muddled things. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120926221603.8a9d2fc1.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:22:28 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: ... like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. And there are those for whom it does work. And where are these people? And why would it work for them and not for me? I'm one of them, and I have no idea why it doesn't work for you, but I should note that it doesn't always work for me on all sites, either. It worked on none of the sites I've tried. Do you have an URL to a site where it does? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sja7841h@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Then install Adobe Flash Player and problem solved. It doesn't solve the problem. It will solve the problem of displaying Flash Player videos in the browser, what makes you think it won't? That isn't the problem. I removed the flashplayer library from adobe and now the only videos I can watch on websites are those on youtube. Then reinstall it. There's no other 1:1 alternative for this. Then you're obviously wrong when you said you have a solution and it's so easy that you only need to google. You think so? You mave many options for getting Flash Player videos but only *one* option for a 100% replacement. If you can live with a cutted solution, then install any plugin to download Flash Player videos and watch them offline. And which are those? I tried any plugin to do that, and it doesn't work. That means you don't have a solution, either. Oh, yes. I use Adobe Flash Player that works fine with flash player based sites. You didn't understand the problem then. The only problem I see is that you simply don't want to install Adobe *Flash* Player to view *Flash* videos, dunno why. If you don't like the container avoid flash based videos or look for a workaround. Anyway, if neither gecko-mediaplayer nor mozilla-plugin-vlc worked for you, you can help the upstream projects to fix the errors. Strange that you now miss the point of using something else than the flashplayer plugin after claiming it's easy to do that. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqzj84ad@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:52:10 -0400 Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. How did you do that? The above was referencing gecko-mediaplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc, I believe. Celejar, can you confirm that these plugins to view *flash* video and not an embedded quicktime (or other non-flash) video? It is possible that I've muddled the issue; I had not realized that we were discussing Flash exclusively. My use of the gecko-mediaplayer plugin has been mostly (solely?) for sites that have links to stream audio (but not standard mms:// or whatever links, just things that try to open a media player in the browser). Sorry for any confusion. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120925090917.ec715ec9.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:11:22 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:22:28 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: ... like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. And there are those for whom it does work. And where are these people? And why would it work for them and not for me? I'm one of them, and I have no idea why it doesn't work for you, but I should note that it doesn't always work for me on all sites, either. It worked on none of the sites I've tried. Do you have an URL to a site where it does? As per another email in this thread, I'm not talking about Flash, but mostly (solely?) about certain types of audio content; sorry if I've misled anyone. Take this page (Hebrew): http://www.iba.org.il/gimmel/?entity=869508type=269page=248 Clicking the little red headphone-with-emanating-sound-waves brings up this message: You must install the Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin. Click here to download and install the plugin. Or click here to view the content directly in your Windows Media Player. Clicking the second link invokes gecko-mediaplayer with a normal stream url. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120925091631.648b1a9f.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: http://www.iba.org.il/gimmel/?entity=869508type=269page=248 Clicking the little red headphone-with-emanating-sound-waves brings up this message: You must install the Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin. Click here to download and install the plugin. Or click here to view the content directly in your Windows Media Player. Clicking the second link invokes gecko-mediaplayer with a normal stream url. Yes that works, it creates a plugin-container running gmplayer. It doesn't play a video, though. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d319hj9d@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:20:20 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Sadly, we can't be sure on what the future will provide, so worrying know is useless and wasteful. The only we can do is having a Plan B, that's all. Like I said, nothing to worry about. Do you have a plan B? Yes, of course; the same approach that I've used for DMCA-friendly services: avoiding those that require from me a component which is not available for my system and looking for an alternative/different service. That plan will get you only so far. I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. Fine, then problem solved :-) No, it's not solved because I can't play or download videos on these sites anymore. Then install Adobe Flash Player and problem solved. It doesn't solve the problem. I removed the flashplayer library from adobe and now the only videos I can watch on websites are those on youtube. Then reinstall it. There's no other 1:1 alternative for this. Then you're obviously wrong when you said you have a solution and it's so easy that you only need to google. That means you don't have a solution, either. Oh, yes. I use Adobe Flash Player that works fine with flash player based sites. You didn't understand the problem then. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipb4bfu4@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps because they don't want people grabbing the videos and watching them without browsing to their site, or reposting them elsewhere? People have to go to their website to get it either way. How many would post them somewhere else? There's no reason to do that when their website works fine. The site might be ugly, and full of display ads ;) Ok that would be good reasons :) Whether it matters to *you* is irrelevant - you asked why are people creating plugins that don't work, and the answer is than they work for at least some people. It's not irrelevant for me. like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. And there are those for whom it does work. And where are these people? And why would it work for them and not for me? I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. How did you do that? I don't have exact directions; AFAIR, it was just a matter of clicking on video links and then having a browser tab with the gecko thingies open up to play the video, with mplayer processes doing the behing the scenes work. Hm, they don't do that for me. [I'm not particularly interested in watching / listening in a browser, so I usually use the plugin to start up some mplayer processes, then use 'ps ax | grep mplayer' to get the stream url and feed it to vlc to save the stream. Yes, I know mplayer itself can save streams, but vlc has been much more reliable for me.] Why not use wget? If the website gives you a mms:// url, can wget download the content from that (I don't know, I've never tried it)? You'd have to try, the manpage of wget doesn't say and I don't have an URL to try it with. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehlsbfjf@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:16:03 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Like I said, nothing to worry about. Do you have a plan B? Yes, of course; the same approach that I've used for DMCA-friendly services: avoiding those that require from me a component which is not available for my system and looking for an alternative/different service. That plan will get you only so far. Necessity is the mother of invention, you know. I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. Fine, then problem solved :-) No, it's not solved because I can't play or download videos on these sites anymore. Then install Adobe Flash Player and problem solved. It doesn't solve the problem. It will solve the problem of displaying Flash Player videos in the browser, what makes you think it won't? I removed the flashplayer library from adobe and now the only videos I can watch on websites are those on youtube. Then reinstall it. There's no other 1:1 alternative for this. Then you're obviously wrong when you said you have a solution and it's so easy that you only need to google. You think so? You mave many options for getting Flash Player videos but only *one* option for a 100% replacement. If you can live with a cutted solution, then install any plugin to download Flash Player videos and watch them offline. That means you don't have a solution, either. Oh, yes. I use Adobe Flash Player that works fine with flash player based sites. You didn't understand the problem then. The only problem I see is that you simply don't want to install Adobe *Flash* Player to view *Flash* videos, dunno why. If you don't like the container avoid flash based videos or look for a workaround. Anyway, if neither gecko-mediaplayer nor mozilla-plugin-vlc worked for you, you can help the upstream projects to fix the errors. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3pq19$e50$8...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 2012-09-20, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Hanlon's razor applies here as well. Huh? I wish Gillette's razor could be applied to some of these threads. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnk60uvg.31a.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:22:28 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: ... like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. And there are those for whom it does work. And where are these people? And why would it work for them and not for me? I'm one of them, and I have no idea why it doesn't work for you, but I should note that it doesn't always work for me on all sites, either. ... [I'm not particularly interested in watching / listening in a browser, so I usually use the plugin to start up some mplayer processes, then use 'ps ax | grep mplayer' to get the stream url and feed it to vlc to save the stream. Yes, I know mplayer itself can save streams, but vlc has been much more reliable for me.] Why not use wget? If the website gives you a mms:// url, can wget download the content from that (I don't know, I've never tried it)? You'd have to try, the manpage of wget doesn't say and I don't have an URL to try it with. I'm pretty sure wget doesn't handle such urls. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120924145720.d3be7994.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. How did you do that? The above was referencing gecko-mediaplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc, I believe. Celejar, can you confirm that these plugins to view *flash* video and not an embedded quicktime (or other non-flash) video? -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120924235210.gc31...@aurora.owens.net
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:27:35 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system. And that isn't a good situation. Sadly, we can't be sure on what the future will provide, so worrying know is useless and wasteful. The only we can do is having a Plan B, that's all. Like I said, nothing to worry about. Do you have a plan B? Well, there's not point in worrying about it. We'll see what happens. I never liked the Flash Player concept: it simply breaks the way html stands for. Anyway, which today standards in our hands, I do not see much future for what Flash Player is currently designed for and provides. Maybe it was nice and cool (sigh) 10 years ago but not know (and needless to say it's buggy as hell). That didn't prevent it from becoming widely used. Almost nobody likes it, everyone uses it, and if you want to watch videos, you can't without. Sure, that's why I have it installed but again, the fact is widely spread is not in my hands. Nobody said it is. The big question is: what would happen should Adobe Flash Player starts breaking _now_ for Linux? I wouldn't miss it, that's for sure, so if you ask me, I wish Adobe stopped their Linux flash support *today* because that will force me to find an alternative solution. If they stopped supplying security fixes (and who can tell for sure that they will actually do that), the version you have now wouldn't suddenly stop to work. It seems that lots of people have tried to find an alternative. Do you think you can do better than them? I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. Fine, then problem solved :-) No, it's not solved because I can't play or download videos on these sites anymore. The source code of the URL has/points to none swf file so whataver problem you face with it in seems unrelated to the Flash Player plugin. I'd have to install it again and check. Ok, then how do I do that? I usually go to Google and search for it :-) Well, I tried that years ago and just tried it again and still didn't find a solution. You seem to know how to do it since you say there's no problem with it, so maybe you can enlighten us by telling us how to. (...) Better that you first start saying what you have tested and in what way it failed for you, don't you think? I removed the flashplayer library from adobe and now the only videos I can watch on websites are those on youtube. Other plugins (gnash, vlc, gecko) didn't fix that. But again, as I already said, my only recommendation for dealing with flash based websites is using the crappy Flash Player plugin from Adobe until it completely dissapears from the face of the Earth (hope this happens soon...). That means you don't have a solution, either. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87392chgaz@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 20 sep 12, 03:11:59, lee wrote: Thank you! It doesn't seem to reasonably lead to anywhere. Maintaining a library of scripts that deal with particular websites which even continue to change how they present the videos to break such scripts isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Hanlon's razor applies here as well. Huh? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y5k4g1pk@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012 schrieb lee: Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? Well I think it means exactly what is stated there: There will be security updates and thats it. What is to difficult to parse with that sentence? It can mean that they will make new versions for other OSs. My take: The sooner it breaks the better. It's not that easy because when it breaks, it means that there's a lot of videos you can't watch anymore. First convert all the videos and change all websites as needed, then it doesn't matter if flash breaks or not, and we can be happy that it finally disappeared if it's replaced with something better. They might come up with something worse, that's what they usually do. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/876274g070@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:11:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: ... isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Perhaps because they don't want people grabbing the videos and watching them without browsing to their site, or reposting them elsewhere? People have to go to their website to get it either way. How many would post them somewhere else? There's no reason to do that when their website works fine. Maybe I'll just remove this gecko plugin; there's no point in having it installed when it doesn't work or when it doesn't do anything. Why are people creating plugins that don't work or don't do anything? You're being rather shortsighted; just because it doesn't work *for you* doesn't mean that it categorically doesn't work and doesn't do anything. For one thing, it doesn't matter to me if it works for someone else or not. For another thing, I installed it through the packet management like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. How did you do that? [I'm not particularly interested in watching / listening in a browser, so I usually use the plugin to start up some mplayer processes, then use 'ps ax | grep mplayer' to get the stream url and feed it to vlc to save the stream. Yes, I know mplayer itself can save streams, but vlc has been much more reliable for me.] Why not use wget? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871uhsfzuw@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:20:20 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system. And that isn't a good situation. Sadly, we can't be sure on what the future will provide, so worrying know is useless and wasteful. The only we can do is having a Plan B, that's all. Like I said, nothing to worry about. Do you have a plan B? Yes, of course; the same approach that I've used for DMCA-friendly services: avoiding those that require from me a component which is not available for my system and looking for an alternative/different service. I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. Fine, then problem solved :-) No, it's not solved because I can't play or download videos on these sites anymore. Then install Adobe Flash Player and problem solved. The source code of the URL has/points to none swf file so whataver problem you face with it in seems unrelated to the Flash Player plugin. I'd have to install it again and check. I do have it installed and the site loads nothing but a black square. Better that you first start saying what you have tested and in what way it failed for you, don't you think? I removed the flashplayer library from adobe and now the only videos I can watch on websites are those on youtube. Then reinstall it. There's no other 1:1 alternative for this. Other plugins (gnash, vlc, gecko) didn't fix that. Even more, these plugins only work (when they do) for videos but not for interactive animations. But again, as I already said, my only recommendation for dealing with flash based websites is using the crappy Flash Player plugin from Adobe until it completely dissapears from the face of the Earth (hope this happens soon...). That means you don't have a solution, either. Oh, yes. I use Adobe Flash Player that works fine with flash player based sites. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3nh09$lsj$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:11:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: ... isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Perhaps because they don't want people grabbing the videos and watching them without browsing to their site, or reposting them elsewhere? People have to go to their website to get it either way. How many would post them somewhere else? There's no reason to do that when their website works fine. The site might be ugly, and full of display ads ;) Maybe I'll just remove this gecko plugin; there's no point in having it installed when it doesn't work or when it doesn't do anything. Why are people creating plugins that don't work or don't do anything? You're being rather shortsighted; just because it doesn't work *for you* doesn't mean that it categorically doesn't work and doesn't do anything. For one thing, it doesn't matter to me if it works for someone else or not. For another thing, I installed it through the packet management Whether it matters to *you* is irrelevant - you asked why are people creating plugins that don't work, and the answer is than they work for at least some people. like someone else would and it doesn't work, so I have no reason to believe that it would work for someone else. And there was someone else here for whom it didn't work either. And there are those for whom it does work. I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. How did you do that? I don't have exact directions; AFAIR, it was just a matter of clicking on video links and then having a browser tab with the gecko thingies open up to play the video, with mplayer processes doing the behing the scenes work. [I'm not particularly interested in watching / listening in a browser, so I usually use the plugin to start up some mplayer processes, then use 'ps ax | grep mplayer' to get the stream url and feed it to vlc to save the stream. Yes, I know mplayer itself can save streams, but vlc has been much more reliable for me.] Why not use wget? If the website gives you a mms:// url, can wget download the content from that (I don't know, I've never tried it)? Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120923142211.ef671316.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 05:30:29PM +0200, lee wrote: Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... Let me guess: It doesn't work. I couldn't get it to work, but I may have gotten a lead. Several web articles talk about using FlashVideoReplacer add-on for Firefox (which looks like it no longer exists), or a Greasemonkey script (so far I haven't found one that works) in conjunction with one of these media plugins. Apparently the add-on or Greasemonkey script is required in order to 1) tell the website that flash is installed, even though it may not be, and 2) grab the flash file and display it with mplayer, vlc, or something else. It also seems from my reading that the scripts that handle this may be specific to particular websites, and may need updating as those websites change the way they do things. I don't have time to look into it any more right now, but maybe that'll help you in your quest. Thank you! It doesn't seem to reasonably lead to anywhere. Maintaining a library of scripts that deal with particular websites which even continue to change how they present the videos to break such scripts isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Maybe I'll just remove this gecko plugin; there's no point in having it installed when it doesn't work or when it doesn't do anything. Why are people creating plugins that don't work or don't do anything? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcf9ijkw@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Jo, 20 sep 12, 03:11:59, lee wrote: Thank you! It doesn't seem to reasonably lead to anywhere. Maintaining a library of scripts that deal with particular websites which even continue to change how they present the videos to break such scripts isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Hanlon's razor applies here as well. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:27:35 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: There is also the possibility that they come up with a new version for other OSs. They could add features in the new version that make it impossible to play videos which are compatible with the new version with the old one. Once the old version is incompatible, there's no point in continuing to provide security updates for it. Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system. And that isn't a good situation. Sadly, we can't be sure on what the future will provide, so worrying know is useless and wasteful. The only we can do is having a Plan B, that's all. Well, there's not point in worrying about it. We'll see what happens. I never liked the Flash Player concept: it simply breaks the way html stands for. Anyway, which today standards in our hands, I do not see much future for what Flash Player is currently designed for and provides. Maybe it was nice and cool (sigh) 10 years ago but not know (and needless to say it's buggy as hell). That didn't prevent it from becoming widely used. Almost nobody likes it, everyone uses it, and if you want to watch videos, you can't without. Sure, that's why I have it installed but again, the fact is widely spread is not in my hands. The big question is: what would happen should Adobe Flash Player starts breaking _now_ for Linux? I wouldn't miss it, that's for sure, so if you ask me, I wish Adobe stopped their Linux flash support *today* because that will force me to find an alternative solution. The main advantage (so to speak) I see for this plugin is that it's that self-compacted (a unique .so file) that installing it is very easy (a couple of clicks). Uh? Can you please point to a site where Adobe Flash Player does not work? This sort of problems are generated by wrong html coding for embedding the Flash Player plugin, nothing Adobe Flash Player can solve. I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. Fine, then problem solved :-) It's awful, with gnash and vlc and the built-in player installed, there's no way to tell what the browser attempts to use to play something. Try [1] maybe, it opens a player (vlc maybe, it doesn't look like gnash) and says I don't have a divx codec installed. Try it a second time and it doesn't say that anymore. I'm sure if I could download the video I could play it just fine with mplayer or vlc. The source code of the URL has/points to none swf file so whataver problem you face with it in seems unrelated to the Flash Player plugin. Ok, then how do I do that? I usually go to Google and search for it :-) Well, I tried that years ago and just tried it again and still didn't find a solution. You seem to know how to do it since you say there's no problem with it, so maybe you can enlighten us by telling us how to. (...) Better that you first start saying what you have tested and in what way it failed for you, don't you think? But again, as I already said, my only recommendation for dealing with flash based websites is using the crappy Flash Player plugin from Adobe until it completely dissapears from the face of the Earth (hope this happens soon...). Greeitngs, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3f835$ocp$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012 schrieb lee: Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca writes: On 15/09/12 06:30 PM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does not depend on external libraries, Interesting, I was considering this possibility. It doesn't explain how seamonkey can play flash, unless it has it built in as well. Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? Well I think it means exactly what is stated there: There will be security updates and thats it. What is to difficult to parse with that sentence? For any speculation on possibly incompatible changes I would need to ask my crystal ball. I bet that Adobe will abandon Flash for the web sooner or later. Anyway, either it works or it doesn´t. What purpose does it have to worry now, what will be in maybe a year or two - unless you want to initiate an online petition? My take: The sooner it breaks the better. The sooner webpage creater get rid of flash the better. Only pitfall in this: The Linux desktop user part of the complete web surfing community is likely still very small. So the sooner it breaks on Windows and Mac OS X even the better. I will jump up and down then there is no flash anymore on the web. Unless for historical purposes in an emulator with a big fat warning that this is how not to do web content. Ever. [1]: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209201904.42352.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.dewrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012 schrieb lee: Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca writes: On 15/09/12 06:30 PM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does not depend on external libraries, Interesting, I was considering this possibility. It doesn't explain how seamonkey can play flash, unless it has it built in as well. Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? Well I think it means exactly what is stated there: There will be security updates and thats it. people don't like knowing that their neighbor might have the pawn_me() feature that they don't. if adobe would've stopped messing around with pdf at 4 or 5 and just made security updates, do you know how much time and effort (and data loss) would've been saved? i'm not saying this is another 'leave well enough alone' situation - it's obviously a business decision - however i don't think it's a bad decision. now, if oracle were to say the same thing about, say java, i'd go hide in a cave for a few years.
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:11:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: ... isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't watch the videos in the first place. Perhaps because they don't want people grabbing the videos and watching them without browsing to their site, or reposting them elsewhere? Maybe I'll just remove this gecko plugin; there's no point in having it installed when it doesn't work or when it doesn't do anything. Why are people creating plugins that don't work or don't do anything? You're being rather shortsighted; just because it doesn't work *for you* doesn't mean that it categorically doesn't work and doesn't do anything. I've used it many times to watch / download media that I couldn't access any other way. [I'm not particularly interested in watching / listening in a browser, so I usually use the plugin to start up some mplayer processes, then use 'ps ax | grep mplayer' to get the stream url and feed it to vlc to save the stream. Yes, I know mplayer itself can save streams, but vlc has been much more reliable for me.] Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120920142626.5b23d855.cele...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 20:15 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: Fiddling around by semi-random clicking on stuff and reloading the page six or eight times sometimes works. In other words, patience is what's required. Deleting the cache, closing and opening the browser and last but not least rebooting sometimes is needed, if I try to play non-flash. Often I can play them one time, but not a second time. For flash I only experienced that audio won't work anymore after a while. The same for flash audio issues, random clicks, deleting the cache etc. and last but not least a restart. If people are Internet multimedia consumers, they perhaps better go with Windows, OTOH news magazines in Germany yesterday informed that the computer users (= Windows users) shouldn't use the Internet Explorer at the moment, because of serious security flaws. Now the bomb drops! Just for the moment they should use another browser, as soon as the current security flaws are fixed, they should switch back to the Internet Explorer. Followed by the too close advertising. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348048017.5397.64.camel@precise
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:26:13PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: Thx, I looked at that and there weren't any. Meanwhile, I tried gnash and found that it doesn't work at all. Lightspark depends on pulseaudio, and I don't want to install that. Are there any alternatives --- preferably using mplayer? It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? There used to be mozilla-mplayer, but it looks like it's not in the Squeeze repos. There is mozilla-plugin-vlc. Maybe give that a shot. Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120919132906.ga9...@aurora.owens.net
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:28:30 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) OTOH, html5 is now at the corner, my hope is that Flash Player for the web dies in a very near future... There is also the possibility that they come up with a new version for other OSs. They could add features in the new version that make it impossible to play videos which are compatible with the new version with the old one. Once the old version is incompatible, there's no point in continuing to provide security updates for it. Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system. Well, there's not point in worrying about it. We'll see what happens. I never liked the Flash Player concept: it simply breaks the way html stands for. Anyway, which today standards in our hands, I do not see much future for what Flash Player is currently designed for and provides. Maybe it was nice and cool (sigh) 10 years ago but not know (and needless to say it's buggy as hell). I mean what problem you had with Adobe Flash Player. The rest of the flash player implementations fail in a way or another. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, depending on the website you're looking at. Some want you to download some software. It's just retarded. Uh? Can you please point to a site where Adobe Flash Player does not work? This sort of problems are generated by wrong html coding for embedding the Flash Player plugin, nothing Adobe Flash Player can solve. So how do I make it so that seamonkey uses mplayer to play all videos? You seem to think there's no problem with that. Yes, because there's no problem with that unless you explicety mention one. There are (or there were, I hope they are still there!) plugins to view flash videos from Mozilla browsers using mplayer -or another video player- as backend. Ok, then how do I do that? I usually go to Google and search for it :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3cino$s2t$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... Let me guess: It doesn't work. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lig6ni7e@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:28:30 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) There is also the possibility that they come up with a new version for other OSs. They could add features in the new version that make it impossible to play videos which are compatible with the new version with the old one. Once the old version is incompatible, there's no point in continuing to provide security updates for it. Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system. And that isn't a good situation. Well, there's not point in worrying about it. We'll see what happens. I never liked the Flash Player concept: it simply breaks the way html stands for. Anyway, which today standards in our hands, I do not see much future for what Flash Player is currently designed for and provides. Maybe it was nice and cool (sigh) 10 years ago but not know (and needless to say it's buggy as hell). That didn't prevent it from becoming widely used. Almost nobody likes it, everyone uses it, and if you want to watch videos, you can't without. I mean what problem you had with Adobe Flash Player. The rest of the flash player implementations fail in a way or another. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, depending on the website you're looking at. Some want you to download some software. It's just retarded. Uh? Can you please point to a site where Adobe Flash Player does not work? This sort of problems are generated by wrong html coding for embedding the Flash Player plugin, nothing Adobe Flash Player can solve. I don't have it installed anymore and I can't find one of these sites atm. It's awful, with gnash and vlc and the built-in player installed, there's no way to tell what the browser attempts to use to play something. Try [1] maybe, it opens a player (vlc maybe, it doesn't look like gnash) and says I don't have a divx codec installed. Try it a second time and it doesn't say that anymore. I'm sure if I could download the video I could play it just fine with mplayer or vlc. [1]: http://www.uploadc.com/ge161e2mxhfc/Thale.2012.SUBBED.BDRip.XViD-PLAYNOW.avi.htm So how do I make it so that seamonkey uses mplayer to play all videos? You seem to think there's no problem with that. Yes, because there's no problem with that unless you explicety mention one. There are (or there were, I hope they are still there!) plugins to view flash videos from Mozilla browsers using mplayer -or another video player- as backend. Ok, then how do I do that? I usually go to Google and search for it :-) Well, I tried that years ago and just tried it again and still didn't find a solution. You seem to know how to do it since you say there's no problem with it, so maybe you can enlighten us by telling us how to. There's a gecko-mediaplayer package (which should be renamed to something like browser-plugin-gecko-mplayer to make it more likely that people will find it), and it doesn't list application/x-shockwave-flash as one of the things it plays in the package description. So I'm removing gnash as it's totally useless and the vlc plugin which doesn't seem to do anything and try the gecko one. It provides support for an overwhelming multitude of different types, and I still can't play the video on [1] or [2]. [2]: http://www.vidxden.com/twmisu023i89 -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq5inic8@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 05:30:29PM +0200, lee wrote: Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... Let me guess: It doesn't work. I couldn't get it to work, but I may have gotten a lead. Several web articles talk about using FlashVideoReplacer add-on for Firefox (which looks like it no longer exists), or a Greasemonkey script (so far I haven't found one that works) in conjunction with one of these media plugins. Apparently the add-on or Greasemonkey script is required in order to 1) tell the website that flash is installed, even though it may not be, and 2) grab the flash file and display it with mplayer, vlc, or something else. It also seems from my reading that the scripts that handle this may be specific to particular websites, and may need updating as those websites change the way they do things. I don't have time to look into it any more right now, but maybe that'll help you in your quest. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120919224518.ga12...@aurora.owens.net
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:42:57 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:09:43 +0200, lee wrote: interactive applications. Anyway, what trouble are you having with Adobe Flash Player? Besides that I hate it, if you use it, you don't have key bindings like you do in mplayer. It probably doesn't use VDPAU, either. I neither like it, but Adobe Flash Player is the only 1:1 replacement for Adobe Flash Player, we like it or no :-( There might be the problem that, in a while, you can't play videos with it anymore since Adobe says there aren't going to be any further releases. I don't know what their plans are, perhaps it just becomes obsolete and what's built into the web browsers replaces it. Adobe will continue the maintenance of the Linux packages but no new releases which means only security patches will be delivered. If you ask me, I prefer this way: on every Flash Player update there's a high chance for something that was working it simply breaks so Adobe decision is fine with me. OTOH, html5 is now at the corner, my hope is that Flash Player for the web dies in a very near future... It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? None, what problem are you having? Do you have any flash player installed and it fails? I installed gnash and it doesn't play flash. (...) I mean what problem you had with Adobe Flash Player. The rest of the flash player implementations fail in a way or another. So how do I make it so that seamonkey uses mplayer to play all videos? You seem to think there's no problem with that. Yes, because there's no problem with that unless you explicety mention one. There are (or there were, I hope they are still there!) plugins to view flash videos from Mozilla browsers using mplayer -or another video player- as backend. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3a1ah$thl$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:42:57 +0200, lee wrote: There might be the problem that, in a while, you can't play videos with it anymore since Adobe says there aren't going to be any further releases. I don't know what their plans are, perhaps it just becomes obsolete and what's built into the web browsers replaces it. Adobe will continue the maintenance of the Linux packages but no new releases which means only security patches will be delivered. If you ask me, I prefer this way: on every Flash Player update there's a high chance for something that was working it simply breaks so Adobe decision is fine with me. OTOH, html5 is now at the corner, my hope is that Flash Player for the web dies in a very near future... There is also the possibility that they come up with a new version for other OSs. They could add features in the new version that make it impossible to play videos which are compatible with the new version with the old one. Once the old version is incompatible, there's no point in continuing to provide security updates for it. Well, there's not point in worrying about it. We'll see what happens. It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? None, what problem are you having? Do you have any flash player installed and it fails? I installed gnash and it doesn't play flash. (...) I mean what problem you had with Adobe Flash Player. The rest of the flash player implementations fail in a way or another. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, depending on the website you're looking at. Some want you to download some software. It's just retarded. So how do I make it so that seamonkey uses mplayer to play all videos? You seem to think there's no problem with that. Yes, because there's no problem with that unless you explicety mention one. There are (or there were, I hope they are still there!) plugins to view flash videos from Mozilla browsers using mplayer -or another video player- as backend. Ok, then how do I do that? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipbbrs7l@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
--- On Sat, 9/15/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: What is playing videos in web browsers? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 11:08 PM Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? [1]: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ I ran into a problem with flash just this afternoon. You Tube was working fine when I suspended the computer to go to the post office. Came back less than a hour later and nothing would play - only a blank screen. As observed in this thread, no problem with Chromium. So I downloaded the latest Flash version from Adobe and now it's working again. You Tube must have made adjustments to their site during the time that I stepped out. Google has too much power to screw things up. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348016002.16595.yahoomailclas...@web163406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/18/2012 7:53 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Sat, 9/15/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: What is playing videos in web browsers? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Saturday, September 15, 2012, 11:08 PM Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] They've threatened similar before, and then turned around and put out a new version after all. Last time it was the 64-bit version, and boy, what a pain it was to have to keep troubleshooting and tweaking the 32-bit version on AMD64 Debian. What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? [1]: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ I ran into a problem with flash just this afternoon. You Tube was working fine when I suspended the computer to go to the post office. Came back less than a hour later and nothing would play - only a blank screen. As observed in this thread, no problem with Chromium. So I downloaded the latest Flash version from Adobe and now it's working again. You Tube must have made adjustments to their site during the time that I stepped out. Google has too much power to screw things up. :( Some computers don't resume all the hardware properly. If yours has buggy video drivers, they might disable any hardware acceleration going on. Resetting/restarting the driver sometimes helps. Also, Yotube has been finicky lately for me as well, and I don't think Flash is the problem. I think it's more that the scripts running on the page aren't doing something that they should, because I get problems no matter whether it's Flash or HTML5 + Javascript. Fiddling around by semi-random clicking on stuff and reloading the page six or eight times sometimes works. In other words, patience is what's required. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50591c95.8050...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: From: Mark Allums m...@allums.com Subject: Re: What is playing videos in web browsers? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 8:15 PM Some computers don't resume all the hardware properly. If yours has buggy video drivers, they might disable any hardware acceleration going on. Resetting/restarting the driver sometimes helps. Video on this box has been rock solid for years through heaving video editing and more recently You Tube surfing. I've NEVER had a problem with the nVidia drivers EVER. Since I installed Squeeze, my habit has been to suspend and only reboot every couple of weeks. Last reboot was after 20 some days. Never a problem. Also, Yotube has been finicky lately for me as well, and I don't think Flash is the problem. I think it's more that the scripts running on the page aren't doing something that they should, because I get problems no matter whether it's Flash or HTML5 + Javascript. Fiddling around by semi-random clicking on stuff and reloading the page six or eight times sometimes works. In other words, patience is what's required. When everything worked in Chromium but not Iceweasel, I figured it had to be a Flash issue. And yes, You Tube has been a little unpredictable lately . . . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348020766.59319.yahoomailclas...@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:09:43 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? (...) about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and available for your browser. Thx, I looked at that and there weren't any. None? In any of the browsers? How that can be? I know that Chrome/Chromium provides its own Flash Player but not the Mozilla browsers... Meanwhile, I tried gnash and found that it doesn't work at all. Sadly, that's true for some sites :-( Lightspark depends on pulseaudio, and I don't want to install that. Are there any alternatives --- preferably using mplayer? Yes, there are alternatives for playing flash videos but not for interactive applications. Anyway, what trouble are you having with Adobe Flash Player? It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? None, what problem are you having? Do you have any flash player installed and it fails? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k37du8$cqa$8...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 14:37 +0200, lee wrote: flashgot I installed something called DownloadHelper, but never used it. apt-get show clive -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120917174412.GP8568@tal
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 14:37 +0200, lee wrote: flashgot I installed something called DownloadHelper, but never used it. apt-get show clive Sounds good, I'll try it, thank you :) -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87boh4xrkn@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:09:43 +0200, lee wrote: interactive applications. Anyway, what trouble are you having with Adobe Flash Player? Besides that I hate it, if you use it, you don't have key bindings like you do in mplayer. It probably doesn't use VDPAU, either. There might be the problem that, in a while, you can't play videos with it anymore since Adobe says there aren't going to be any further releases. I don't know what their plans are, perhaps it just becomes obsolete and what's built into the web browsers replaces it. It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? None, what problem are you having? Do you have any flash player installed and it fails? I installed gnash and it doesn't play flash. It only shows the white background of the page where the video is supposed to be. I don't really care because I would download the video with flashgot anyway and watch it in mplayer, but you can't even do that with gnash. So how do I make it so that seamonkey uses mplayer to play all videos? You seem to think there's no problem with that. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877grsxr4u@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:09:43PM +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? (...) about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and available for your browser. Thx, I looked at that and there weren't any. Meanwhile, I tried gnash and found that it doesn't work at all. Lightspark depends on pulseaudio, and I don't want to install that. Are there any alternatives --- preferably using mplayer? It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? There used to be mozilla-mplayer, but it looks like it's not in the Squeeze repos. There is mozilla-plugin-vlc. Maybe give that a shot. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120918002613.ga12...@aurora.owens.net
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:26:13PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:09:43PM +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? (...) about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and available for your browser. Thx, I looked at that and there weren't any. Meanwhile, I tried gnash and found that it doesn't work at all. Lightspark depends on pulseaudio, and I don't want to install that. Are there any alternatives --- preferably using mplayer? It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? There used to be mozilla-mplayer, but it looks like it's not in the Squeeze repos. There is mozilla-plugin-vlc. Maybe give that a shot. Hmm, I just tried it and many of the videos on youtube and vimeo won't play. I got a few youtube videos to play, but they seemed to be using HTML5. I installed the gnash plugin and some of the youtube videos started working, but vimeo isn't working. I can't figure out how to get the vlc plugin to play anything... By the way, I also notice that there is totem-mozilla in the Squeeze repos, and I have it installed. But I can't seem to use it. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120918004040.gb12...@aurora.owens.net
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:26:13PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: There used to be mozilla-mplayer, but it looks like it's not in the Squeeze repos. There is mozilla-plugin-vlc. Maybe give that a shot. Hmm, I just tried it and many of the videos on youtube and vimeo won't play. I got a few youtube videos to play, but they seemed to be using HTML5. I installed the gnash plugin and some of the youtube videos started working, but vimeo isn't working. I can't figure out how to get the vlc plugin to play anything... By the way, I also notice that there is totem-mozilla in the Squeeze repos, and I have it installed. But I can't seem to use it. Hm, I installed browser-plugin-vlc, and it shows up on the about:plugins page. There's also gnash, registered for application/x-shockwave-flash. The vlc plugin is registered for many types. Now if we could somehow register the vlc plugin for application/x-shockwave-flash instead, it might work. When I look at Edit-Preferences-Helper Applications in seamonkey, it tells me that the vlc plugin is supposed to be used to play Flash video. This can be changed to xine (Why not vlc and mplayer? I have those installed, too, and I don't remember installing a xine plugin for seamonkey (which I might have years ago).) and to Always ask (which it never does). There's also Shockwave Flash file for which it says Use Shockwave Flash, and I can change that to use gnash or be asked. What's the difference between Flash video and Shockwave Flash File? The browser could just let me download the files. Why doesn't it do that, that would be so much easier. Why does this have to be so complicated? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mx0oul77@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 23:42 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:09:43 +0200, lee wrote: what trouble are you having with Adobe Flash Player? Besides that I hate it, if you use it, you don't have key bindings like you do in mplayer. It probably doesn't use VDPAU, either. There might be the problem that, in a while, you can't play videos with it anymore since Adobe says there aren't going to be any further releases. I don't know what their plans are, perhaps it just becomes obsolete and what's built into the web browsers replaces it. It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? Flashplayer is for more than just for playing videos. At the moment flashplayer still works, so why not using it? Once flashplayer is dropped there might be better solutions available. Since tablet PCs and mobiles are affected too, a huge market, there will be successors. Perhaps web designers then will take care about accessibility. I at least know one blind Linux user who's forced to download flash stuff (to listen to audio). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347941991.1112.18.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote: Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com writes: there is something like HTML5 already out. Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer. Hmmm. They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey supports Video-Tag and WebM (whatever that is) and doesn't support h.264. They are saying chromium supports all of it. How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey? I'll gladly remove the stupid flash player, I always hated it. Yet when I go to [1] for a test, neither seamonkey nor chromium play flash. Now what? HTML 5 and a video =/= Flash. Also, Shockwave =/= Flash. Shockwave (predecessor to Flash) is about dead, and Flash itself is on its way to being abandoned, and the less well-supported OSes will lose it first. What you have to do is wait for your web site(s) to move to the new thing. Hm and I have installed these xul-ext-* things packages, i. e. adblock, flashblock and flashgot. They don't seem to work with chromium, it says I don't have any extensions. Are they for other browsers only? If they don't work, I can't use chromium. These adds are too annoying. XUL is a Mozilla thing. Debian packages it as a separate entity. Chrome/Chromium has its own plugins/addons. Go to Google for some of those. [1]: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ Shockwave is not Flash. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50557e51.4020...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote: How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey? It will probably happen eventually, but h.264 has patents, so it may not happen soon. You can always add it yourself through a plugin. But you may have to *write* the plugin yourself, and it may not be legal in some jurisdictions. There is a lot of churn about this topic, so my understanding may be out of date. They could decide to to add it at any time. Patience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50557fd6.8060...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 9/16/2012 2:22 AM, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/15/2012 11:48 PM, lee wrote: Hmmm. They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey supports Video-Tag and WebM (whatever that is) and doesn't support h.264. They are saying chromium supports all of it. How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey? I'll gladly remove the stupid flash player, I always hated it. Yet when I go to [1] for a test, neither seamonkey nor chromium play flash. Now what? HTML 5 and a video =/= Flash. Also, Oopa. I meant, HTML 5 and a video *codec* =/= Flash. I know you knew this, but it bears repeating, we all need reminding from time to time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50558055.3060...@allums.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: Frank McCormick wrote: Chrome is the nonfree version. It is nonfree because it includes Flash and probably other nonfree things. Chromium is the free version and does not have Flash nor any other nonfree thing embedded. That is the specific difference between Chrome and Chromium. Chromium will use a Flash plugin just like Firefox will use a Flash plugin. Which plugin is recommended? Adobe doesn't support it anymore, and the last time I tried gnash, it didn't work acceptably well. Lightspark says it's experimental. Why can't we just use mplayer to watch videos? It plays them just fine when downloaded with flashgot, and I don't want or need videos inside the browser, it's a very awkward thing to have. With mplayer, I have key bindings I can use which I otherwise don't have. Chromium is packaged and available for Debian from the main Debian repositories. Well, I've purged chromium because it's too slow. It takes a second or two to open a new tab even when only 4 or so are already open and something like that before that to display the contents of its window when I move to the desktop it's on. Perhaps it'll take like 2 minutes once 60 tabs are open? Seamonkey doesn't have these problems. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw6idtz5@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? (...) about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and available for your browser. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k34pd5$vkm$6...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 14:37 +0200, lee wrote: flashgot I installed something called DownloadHelper, but never used it. $ pacman -Qi firefox Name : firefox Version: 15.0.1-1 Architecture : x86_64 $ pacman -Qi flashplugin Name : flashplugin Version: 11.2.202.238-1 Architecture : x86_64 However, for Debian it won't be different as it is for Arch, so at the moment we still get a working flashplayer. I can't remember any notification about an outdated flashplayer. HTML5 won't play ads and does allow right click, so some videos can't be watched with it. IIRC full screen also doesn't work. Gnash usually does cause a notification about an outdated flashplayer or something like that, IOW it doesn't work. I don't like to download everything and I never downloaded a flash video. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347807515.1215.9.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? (...) about:plugins will tell what other flash plugins are installed and available for your browser. Thx, I looked at that and there weren't any. Meanwhile, I tried gnash and found that it doesn't work at all. Lightspark depends on pulseaudio, and I don't want to install that. Are there any alternatives --- preferably using mplayer? It's no more than a video which mplayer can play once you can download it, so what's the problem? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw6hd694@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 15/09/12 06:30 PM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? Pstree doesn't show it, and 'lsof |grep seamonkey |wc -l' says 4845. Searching for flash or play in the output of lsof doesn't find any results, and manually browsing almost 5000 lines without really knowing what to look for isn't exactly something I like to do. Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does not depend on external libraries, -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50550663.9040...@videotron.ca
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On 09/16/2012 12:30 AM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? Pstree doesn't show it, and 'lsof |grep seamonkey |wc -l' says 4845. Searching for flash or play in the output of lsof doesn't find any results, and manually browsing almost 5000 lines without really knowing what to look for isn't exactly something I like to do. Hi Lee, there is something like HTML5 already out. Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer. -- Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50550c0f.1050...@gmail.com
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 01:15 +0200, Peter Viskup wrote: there is something like HTML5 already out. Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer. AFAIK HTML5 draft doesn't replace flash completely. Its said that it doesn't provide what's needed for commercial usage. OTOH at least one company perhaps won't include flash, to ensure that users buy games etc. by their iRipoff-Shop. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347753684.2273.6.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Frank McCormick wrote: lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In the past, seamonkey was unable to play these videos when the flash player library was removed. What might they be using to play these videos? Where is configured what they use? Youtube supports the brand new HTML5 with direct video object support. If the browser does too then Flash is not used. Instead the browser plays the video directly. It is still under development and is not yet perfect but is quite usable. Here is a reference: http://www.youtube.com/html5 Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does not depend on external libraries, Chrome is the nonfree version. It is nonfree because it includes Flash and probably other nonfree things. Chromium is the free version and does not have Flash nor any other nonfree thing embedded. That is the specific difference between Chrome and Chromium. Chromium will use a Flash plugin just like Firefox will use a Flash plugin. Chromium is packaged and available for Debian from the main Debian repositories. Chrome is available directly from Google but is not available from Debian because it does not meet the DFSG. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com writes: there is something like HTML5 already out. Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer. Hmmm. They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey supports Video-Tag and WebM (whatever that is) and doesn't support h.264. They are saying chromium supports all of it. How do I get h.264 support in seamonkey? I'll gladly remove the stupid flash player, I always hated it. Yet when I go to [1] for a test, neither seamonkey nor chromium play flash. Now what? Hm and I have installed these xul-ext-* things packages, i. e. adblock, flashblock and flashgot. They don't seem to work with chromium, it says I don't have any extensions. Are they for other browsers only? If they don't work, I can't use chromium. These adds are too annoying. [1]: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehm2fu99@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca writes: On 15/09/12 06:30 PM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does not depend on external libraries, Interesting, I was considering this possibility. It doesn't explain how seamonkey can play flash, unless it has it built in as well. Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon have to go without flash when that version becomes incompatible, unless we use chromium? [1]: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3vufw2v@yun.yagibdah.de
