Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: Hallo zusammen, kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? alien -i /rpm Klaus -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln und zu installieren. Das ist zwar oft auch nicht so toll, weil da in irgendwelche komischen Verzeichnisse installiert wird ... aber immerhin weiß dpkg, das das Paket da ist und was dazu gehört. Gruß Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon
Re: RPM und Debian
Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:34 schrieb G.Wendebourg: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? aptitude install alien man alien Gruß Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon
Re: RPM und Debian
G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Neu? Das habe ich gefunden, besser kann man es nicht formulieren: Wenn Du zu Windows gehst und Dateien speichern willst, sagt dir der Windows Festplattenchef: Fang einfach vorne bei der Festplatte an und nimm die ersten freien Sektoren. Wenn Dir was im Weg liegt, überspring es und mach an einer anderen Stelle weiter. Wenn Du dann sagst, daß das früher oder später im Chaos endet, so sagt der: Wir stellen jedes Wochenende ein paar Leute ein, die alles Aufräumen. Kunde bezahlt. Wenn Du zu Linux gehst, fragt dich der Festplattenverwalter: Wie groß ist die Datei? Und dann sagt er Dir eine Stelle, wo die ganz hinpaßt, wenn es so eine gibt. Oder er zeigt dir die größtmöglichen Stücke falls es nicht in eines paßt. Zitet aus: http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Index.html?linux_faq.html Grusz -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? siehe vorherige Mails und man alien ... danach evtl. noch man dpkg Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Dann musst Du halt sehen, dass Du diese Bibliotheken in exakt den noetigen Versionen auch noch bekommst, sei es aus einer debian distri oder aus mittels alien gebauten debs. Gruss -- hgb -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Max Muxe schrieb: G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Neu? Das habe ich gefunden, besser kann man es nicht formulieren: Wenn Du zu Windows gehst und Dateien speichern willst, sagt dir der Windows Festplattenchef: Fang einfach vorne bei der Festplatte an und nimm die ersten freien Sektoren. Wenn Dir was im Weg liegt, überspring es und mach an einer anderen Stelle weiter. Wenn Du dann sagst, daß das früher oder später im Chaos endet, so sagt der: Wir stellen jedes Wochenende ein paar Leute ein, die alles Aufräumen. Kunde bezahlt. Wenn Du zu Linux gehst, fragt dich der Festplattenverwalter: Wie groß ist die Datei? Und dann sagt er Dir eine Stelle, wo die ganz hinpaßt, wenn es so eine gibt. Oder er zeigt dir die größtmöglichen Stücke falls es nicht in eines paßt. Zitet aus: http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Index.html?linux_faq.html Grusz Sorry, ich habe den Thread verwechselt. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 15:28 schrieb Hans-Georg Bork: Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Vielleicht hilft dir das weiter: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=depage=topten http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Hauptseite Es gibt auch eine Mailinglist zu Scribus, ich hab' die Adresse aber nicht. Gruß Klaus
Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit unabsehbarem Aufwand und Scheitern in ca. 50% der Faelle verbunden und nach dieser Erfahrung nur ratsam, wenn man die Musse dafuer aufbringen kann. Gruss / GW Klaus Becker schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 15:28 schrieb Hans-Georg Bork: Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Vielleicht hilft dir das weiter: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=depage=topten http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Hauptseite Es gibt auch eine Mailinglist zu Scribus, ich hab' die Adresse aber nicht. Gruß Klaus -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 17:32 schrieb G.Wendebourg: Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit Hmm, vielleicht solltest Du dann nicht die Entwicklerversion verwenden? SCNR Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:32:04, G.Wendebourg wrote: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? alien -i suse-packet vllt.? Ansonsten: apt-get source scribus und den 1.2.5er Quellcode von Scribus (alles ausser dem Debian Verzeichnis) durch den 1.3.3er ersetzen. Eventuelle Patches anpassen und das ganze mit dpkg-buildpackage bauen. Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit unabsehbarem Aufwand und Scheitern in ca. 50% der Faelle verbunden und nach dieser Erfahrung nur ratsam, wenn man die Musse dafuer aufbringen kann. Ist Scribus kein autotools-Projekt? Auch wenn autotools nicht gerade angenehm zu benutzen sind, so ist das kompilieren eines solchen Projektes i.A. kein Problem. Ansonsten: Kontaktiere dnenDebian und den Upstream Maintainer und frag nach wo das Problem liegt. Achja und das naechste Mal unterlass bitte das ToFu. Andreas -- You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
G.Wendebourg schrieb: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Warum machst Du es nicht einfach per alien? Dazu hat man Dir ja auch schon etwas gesagt im laufe des Threads! Mach doch einfach in einem Terminal ein: apt-get install alien, sofern es nicht schon bei Dir installiert ist und dann machst Du einfach ein alien Paketname schon hast Du ein *.deb package das Du mit dpkg -i Paketname installieren kannst. Gruß Niels -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:32:04, G.Wendebourg wrote: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Mist, das kommt davon wenn man die Ausgabe von apt-cache search nicht genau anschaut. Scribus 1.3.3 ist schon laengst in Debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/KDE-work/kdevelop.build/pics/toolbarapt-cache policy scribus-ng scribus-ng: Installiert:(keine) Mögliche Pakete:1.3.3.3.dfsg-2 Versions-Tabelle: 1.3.3.3.dfsg-2 0 990 http://debian sid/main Packages 500 http://debian etch/main Packages Das Paket wurde wohl umbenannt da es keine stabile Version (lt. Upstream) darstellt. Also einfach aptitude anwerfen Andreas -- Keep emotionally active. Cater to your favorite neurosis. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Mittwoch, 27. September 2006 15:10 Uhr, G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Bei meinem Debian Sarge gibts das Paket scribus-ng das anscheinend die Entwicklerversion 3.3 beinhaltet. $ apt-cache search scribus-ng sagt: scribus-ng - Open Source Desktop Page Layout - developmental branch -- Gruß Thomas Linux User #409232 -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:44:28, Thomas Weiss wrote: Mittwoch, 27. September 2006 15:10 Uhr, G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Bei meinem Debian Sarge gibts das Paket scribus-ng das anscheinend die Entwicklerversion 3.3 beinhaltet. $ apt-cache search scribus-ng sagt: scribus-ng - Open Source Desktop Page Layout - developmental branch Das kommt dann aber von Backports.org und nicht direkt aus Sarge Andreas -- Better hope the life-inspector doesn't come around while you have your life in such a mess. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: rpm packages Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 02:41:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael Hi M, the first rule of DEBIAN club is to use .debs first! so, first have you used : apt-cache search XYZ to see it is in your current repository list. If not, check the debian site to see if it is in another version of debian. If not, ask here if a debian version exists somewhere else! if all else fails, use 'alien'! -Kev PS. there is also a way you can help debian. if you think this software is important to you, you can ask that some debian developer consider making a brand new .deb of this software! It may be something other debian users would want. - -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBHF6kAWAAuqdWA9cRAvfMAJwNvxD0u8/UEtWsJf+dM4T+tznb5gCePrd1 n6Y1qG1LVTqEpnye823roEQ= =Kyh0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm packages Debian
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 14:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael Try alien -i filename.rpm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rpm packages Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. alien might be able to convert them to .debs for you. pgpieaqieoalo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: rpm packages Debian
On August 12, 2004 02:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael You can convert them to debs using alien command and then install the debs: apt-get install alien alient --to-deb *.rpm dpkg -i *.deb Cheers, Peter www.dialore.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
Rick wrote: Can I use rpm command to access deb DB? rpm is available in the Debian package of the same name (rpm). However, any packages you install with the rpm command will not be managed by the Debian package management system. .deb is the native package format of a Debian system. You can attempt to convert .rpm packages to .deb packages using the tools available in the alien package. However, conversion will not always be successful and may not produce the results you expect. It is best to install software on your Debian system from .deb packages. If you can not locate a .deb package for the software you wish to install in the official Debian repositories [1], you can also try apt-get.org [2] for third-party apt repositories of all types or backports.org [3] for third-party apt repositories for the stable distribution only. If you need assistance configuring your system to install software, feel free to consult the Debian manual [4], search the list archives [5], or ask here on the list. [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org dircha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net You might be able to find packages which are not available at the official repository. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 03:32:57PM -0400, Lee Hanxue wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net You might be able to find packages which are not available at the official repository. I would advise against using mentors.debian.net unless you're a Debian developer sponsoring packages, or unless somebody you trust has explicitly pointed you to an individual package there. Packages in the mentors archive are there because they're waiting for a Debian developer to sponsor them into the official archive. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300 Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior Deve instalar o alien para fazer a conversao. apt-get install alien -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Amigos , grato pela ajuda ao executar o comando apt-get install alien obtive a seguinte mensagem : Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Package alien has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list Ao meu ver parece que minha versão do ALIEN está desatualizada , se for isso como procedo para atualizar ... onde encontro este aplicativo ... O que devo fazer neste caso , desculpem se estou sendo repetitivo , mas sou novato no mundo Linux. agradeço a atenção Junior - Original Message - From: Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Re: RPM no Debian On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300 Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior Deve instalar o alien para fazer a conversao. apt-get install alien -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Arnaldo Voce pode muito bem instalar o RPM em seu Debian para que possa instalar pacotes RPM. Para isso, digite como root em seu Linux, apt-get install rpm e pronto. Depois, eh soh baixar o pacote rpm e instala-lo digitando rpm -ivh pacote.rpm Rogerio Acquadro On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:04 -0300 (BRT) Rogerio Acquadro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arnaldo Voce pode muito bem instalar o RPM em seu Debian para que possa instalar pacotes RPM. Para isso, digite como root em seu Linux, apt-get install rpm e pronto. Depois, eh soh baixar o pacote rpm e instala-lo digitando rpm -ivh pacote.rpm Rogerio, Concordo que tua sugestao eh possivel, mas para que instalar um pacote RPM no Debian se tu podes converte-lo ao formato .deb? Eh muito melhor utilizar a base propria do Debian do que criar inconsistencia no sistema mesclando .deb com .rpm. Instalando os .deb, mantem os mesmos padroes. Alem disto, a RedHat utiliza padroes diferentes de diretorios para armazenar libs e executaveis, instalando no /usr/local/* alguns pacotes, onde no Debian fica no /usr/*. Se eu nao me engano, o alien contorna este tipo de problema (nao tenho certeza se realmente faz isto). Eh so uma sugestao minha para deixar o sistema no mesmo padrao! :-) Abracos Christiano Anderson -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Amigos , grato pela ajuda ao executar o comando apt-get install alien obtive a seguinte mensagem : Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Package alien has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list Ao meu ver parece que minha versão do ALIEN está desatualizada , se for isso como procedo para atualizar ... onde encontro este aplicativo ... Arnaldo, Tenta um apt-get update, depois um apt-get install alien Abracos, Christiano Anderson -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Em Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? o que você quer com rpms? instale .debs... tem deb de quase tudo que é útil e bom você pode converter rpms pra debs com o 'alien' ou instalar rpms com 'rpm', mas pra quê? o que significa 'já muito sobre APT'? dá uma olhada nos documentos sobre apt e o guia prático na seção documentação do Debian-BR []s! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://people.debian.org/~kov Debian: http://www.debian.org * http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:18:53PM -0300, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior apt-get install alien man alien -- vmaida -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
CaroArnaldo Para isso você necessita de conversor de arquivos rpm deb ou Tar.gz . O alien que vem no Cd 1 do Debian Potato provavelmente irá resolver seu problema. - Original Message - From: Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: RPM no Debian Quer ter seu próprio endereço na Internet?Garanta já o seu e ainda ganhe cinco e-mails personalizados.DomíniosBOL - http://dominios.bol.com.br Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior
Re: RPM vs. Debian package format
dkphoto wrote: You can find out how robust (and picky) debs are by packaging something. A couple weeks and a couple hundred pages of developer docs later, you'll appreciate what goes into a deb. The alien command will convert between rpms and debs and you can compare the results. Would someone mind explaining to me just what a deb is? TIA David Kachel A deb is a Debian package file (filename ends in .deb). It contains the program(s) you're installing, along with instructions to dpkg about how to install it and where to install it and how to configure it and what questions to ask of the sys admin, etc. An RPM is a Redhat package file (filename ends in .rpm). It does more-or-less the same for Redhat that a deb does for Debian, but not as cleanly/well-implemented.
Re: RPM vs. Debian package format
You can find out how robust (and picky) debs are by packaging something. A couple weeks and a couple hundred pages of developer docs later, you'll appreciate what goes into a deb. The alien command will convert between rpms and debs and you can compare the results. Would someone mind explaining to me just what a deb is? TIA David Kachel
Re: RPM on Debian
Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. PRO: - You get access to non-Debian-packaged stuff. CON: - The package isn't configured for a Debian system. From past experiences, Apache, MySQL and SAMBA headers files are not at the same place from distribution to distribution. Although this example is unlikely to affect bianry packages, things can get worse quite easily. Think of a few major libs misplaced, or misconfigured, and your riding. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: RPM on Debian
Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. Installing alien packages from rpm can be dangerous if the converted rpm contains files that are critical to the system, like libc or init. dpkg has allow overwrite on by default and will overwrite the files provided by debian by the ones in the rpm. As the man page says: Alien does not account for differences in configuration between different linux distributions. So don't use it to replace something essential like sysvinit. You could destroy your system by doing so. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. -- see shy jo, alien maintainer
Re: RPM on Debian
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. Installing alien packages from rpm can be dangerous if the converted rpm contains files that are critical to the system, like libc or init. dpkg has allow overwrite on by default and will overwrite the files provided by debian by the ones in the rpm. As the man page says: Alien does not account for differences in configuration between different linux distributions. So don't use it to replace something essential like sysvinit. You could destroy your system by doing so. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. RPM has a nice feature which might be helpful here. 'rpm -qpl packagename.rpm' will list all the files in the package and the directories into which they will be installed. This is equivalent to 'dpkg -c'. Bob
Re: RPM under Debian?
Mitch Blevins wrote:
Jernej Zajc wrote:
Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible
to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM
packages from their native format and put the installed files' and
dependencies info in the deb database?
Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea?
#!/bin/bash
# drpm - program to install RPM and DEB packages from their
# native format and put the installed files and dependencies
# info in the deb database
# (also does Stampede packages)
#
# usage: drpm packagefile [packagefile] ..
for filename in $@; do
case ${filename} in
*.rpm|*.slp ) alien --install ${filename} ;;
*.deb ) dpkg --install ${filename} ;;
* ) echo Huh? ;;
esac
done
# end drpm
The above script does what you want (in a limited way).
The issue is not compatibility of the formats, but rather compatibility
of the contained programs and their file locations.
Example:
foo.deb - keeps config file in /etc/foo.conf
foo.rpm - keeps config file in /usr/some/other/location/foo.conf
bar.deb - depends on foo.deb
Has a post-install script that parses the information in foo.conf
and fails miserably to find the file from the converted RPM.
Requiring the maintainer of a Debian package to be compatible with not only
the relevant deb files, but also with any possible rpm (Official or not) that
may be floating out on the web would be intractable.
Debian is able to do some amazing things because the packages can depend
on other packages conforming to Debian policy and conventions.
Have you played with apache and its modules on Debian? Great stuff!
You can drop the mod-perl deb on top of the apache deb and it reconfigures
itself almost as if by magic.
Developers are now working on configuration tools and the ability to
administer multiple machines centrally. This would not be possible if
it had to support foreign packaging systems and their non-Debian-aware
install scripts. We should not hold back progress of our distribution
to accomodate less-advanced formats especially when Debian has the
most packages availble compared to any other distro.
-Mitch
Now I get the idea. It is virtually impossible for RPM support
to be implemented in a manner that would work w/o problems.
I was wondering about RPM since some people suggested that RPM
support could (will, some said) play a key role as a selection
criterion in competition among Linux distros. I wouldn't bother
about this, at least not much, but Eric S. Raymond said this, so
I looked at it again.
Jernej
Re: RPM under Debian?
Mitch Blevins wrote: In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Debian provides different levels of rpm support. 1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised, however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies for a given package are available. Since the RPM database cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg) it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for your system by trying to use two different package managers actively. 2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package, to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the package, and still have the advantage of a single database of installed packages. This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted alien package. Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if available. -Mitch Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? Jernej
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jerney wrote: Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? I am no dpkg developper, but I'll bite anyway. The program exists and is not called drpm, but alien. The problems are not in reading the package and it's dependency information, the problem is in the organisation of the programs into packages. For example (just an example, I don't know if it is true), RedHat could have a package x11-clients_3.3.2.rpm, and debian a package xbase_3.2-1.deb. Say both contain `xterm'. Now if a third package needs `xterm', it will depend on x11-clients in RedHat, and on xbase in debian. If this is an rpm package, alien will spot that it depends on x11-clients, but this information is near useless, since this package does not exist in debian. Something else that can go wrong is file placement. One distibution might put xterm in /usr/bin, another one could choose /opt/x11/bin. Programs that depend on a certain full pathname can break because of this. Then there may be differences in configuration files. Note that the problems I described are not due to differences in the package format at all. They can arise between Caldera and RedHat as well, although they both use rpm. The fact that there is only one distribution currently using .debs actually protects you from this kind of trouble. HTH, Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jernej Zajc wrote:
Mitch Blevins wrote:
[snip]
Debian provides different levels of rpm support.
1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can
install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised,
however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed
and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies
for a given package are available. Since the RPM database
cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg)
it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for
your system by trying to use two different package managers
actively.
2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package,
to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the
package, and still have the advantage of a single database of
installed packages.
This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages
without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking
for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted
alien package.
Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if
available.
-Mitch
Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible
to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM
packages from their native format and put the installed files' and
dependencies info in the deb database?
Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea?
#!/bin/bash
# drpm - program to install RPM and DEB packages from their
# native format and put the installed files and dependencies
# info in the deb database
# (also does Stampede packages)
#
# usage: drpm packagefile [packagefile] ..
for filename in $@; do
case ${filename} in
*.rpm|*.slp ) alien --install ${filename} ;;
*.deb ) dpkg --install ${filename} ;;
* ) echo Huh? ;;
esac
done
# end drpm
The above script does what you want (in a limited way).
The issue is not compatibility of the formats, but rather compatibility
of the contained programs and their file locations.
Example:
foo.deb - keeps config file in /etc/foo.conf
foo.rpm - keeps config file in /usr/some/other/location/foo.conf
bar.deb - depends on foo.deb
Has a post-install script that parses the information in foo.conf
and fails miserably to find the file from the converted RPM.
Requiring the maintainer of a Debian package to be compatible with not only
the relevant deb files, but also with any possible rpm (Official or not) that
may be floating out on the web would be intractable.
Debian is able to do some amazing things because the packages can depend
on other packages conforming to Debian policy and conventions.
Have you played with apache and its modules on Debian? Great stuff!
You can drop the mod-perl deb on top of the apache deb and it reconfigures
itself almost as if by magic.
Developers are now working on configuration tools and the ability to
administer multiple machines centrally. This would not be possible if
it had to support foreign packaging systems and their non-Debian-aware
install scripts. We should not hold back progress of our distribution
to accomodate less-advanced formats especially when Debian has the
most packages availble compared to any other distro.
-Mitch
Re: RPM under Debian?
In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Debian provides different levels of rpm support. 1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised, however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies for a given package are available. Since the RPM database cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg) it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for your system by trying to use two different package managers actively. 2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package, to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the package, and still have the advantage of a single database of installed packages. This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted alien package. Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if available. -Mitch
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jernej Zajc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? In addition to the answer you've already got: I have a feeling that your question might be caused by articles in magazines that sometimes recommend Redhat or another RPM-based distributions because of the ease-of-use compared to less sophisticated installation systems. In that case you should know that Debian's native packaging system, .deb, is at least as sophisticated as RPM and will give you the same advantages. In fact we find deb to be a technically superior tool. -- Henning Makholm http://www.diku.dk/students/makholm
