[SOLVED] Re: What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
Am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2023, 10:36:18 CEST schrieb Brad Rogers: Hi Brad (and all the others), this is what I missed. The table makes it fully understandable (did not know, that it exists), I always thought "freeze" means "Now do not touch all packages any more, except for bg problems" - and I saw no bg problems in packages like qt-libs or for example package "console-setup". Well, learnt something new! I am now for so long with debian (since potato, what is really a long time), but this was new for me. You can get old as a rock - but you never get finished learning. What a cool world! Best regards Hans > On Thu, 25 May 2023 10:06:16 +0200 > Hans wrote: > > Hello Hans, > > >What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status > >and do only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons". > > It's that. Only "essential"(1) updates are permitted. If you think > there are a large number of updates now, wait until a few days after the > release of bookworm and then see the slew of updates that arrive in > testing. > > (1) For certain values of "essential". Values (plural) because what > constitutes essential seems to vary from package to package and day to > day.
Re: What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
On Thu, 25 May 2023 10:06:16 +0200
Hans wrote:
Hello Hans,
>What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status
>and do only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons".
It's that. Only "essential"(1) updates are permitted. If you think
there are a large number of updates now, wait until a few days after the
release of bookworm and then see the slew of updates that arrive in
testing.
(1) For certain values of "essential". Values (plural) because what
constitutes essential seems to vary from package to package and day to
day.
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Re: What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 10:06:16AM +0200, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > just a little thing, I am somehow confused about. > > I read that debian/testing is now in state "freeze" as the next release is > shortly to come. > > As I running "bookworm" now, I am wondering, that debian/testing (aka > bookworm), still gets a lot of changed packages last days. > > Obviously I seem to misunderstand the meaning of "freeze". > > Does "freeze" mean "No new packages" od does it mean "actual packages in > testing will not be changed any more till next release". > > What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status and > do > only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons". Freeze has its phases (which makes sense, you slowly move "from inside out" -- a change in a basic package might "ripple out" to its dependencies. See [1] for the full story. Cheers [1] https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
Am 25.05.2023 um 10:06 schrieb Hans: > Hi folks, > > just a little thing, I am somehow confused about. > > I read that debian/testing is now in state "freeze" as the next release is > shortly to come. > > As I running "bookworm" now, I am wondering, that debian/testing (aka > bookworm), still gets a lot of changed packages last days. > > Obviously I seem to misunderstand the meaning of "freeze". > > Does "freeze" mean "No new packages" od does it mean "actual packages in > testing will not be changed any more till next release". > > What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status and > do > only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons". > > There are almost a hundered packages I got untill "freeze" and my change to > bookworm (aka testing). > > > > > https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html -- Liebe ist ... Datakanja
Re: What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
Le 25/05/2023 à 10:06, Hans a écrit : Hi folks, just a little thing, I am somehow confused about. I read that debian/testing is now in state "freeze" as the next release is shortly to come. As I running "bookworm" now, I am wondering, that debian/testing (aka bookworm), still gets a lot of changed packages last days. Obviously I seem to misunderstand the meaning of "freeze". Does "freeze" mean "No new packages" od does it mean "actual packages in testing will not be changed any more till next release". What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status and do only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons". There are almost a hundered packages I got untill "freeze" and my change to bookworm (aka testing). If you look at the changelogs, you'll see that those upgrades are either because of security corrections, or to handle packaging or upgrade problems eg (today upgrade for me) --- Changes for texlive-bin (texlive-binaries libptexenc1 libsynctex2 libtexlua53-5 libtexluajit2 libkpathsea6) --- texlive-bin (2022.20220321.62855-5.1) unstable; urgency=high * Non-maintainer upload. * Fix improperly secured shell-escape in LuaTeX (CVE-2023-32700) -- Salvatore Bonaccorso Thu, 18 May 2023 23:15:13 +0200 --- Changes for boost1.74 (libboost-chrono1.74.0 libboost-filesystem1.74.0 libboost-iostreams1.74.0 libboost-thread1.74.0 libboost-locale1.74.0 libboost-program-options1.74.0 libboost-python1.74.0 libboost-regex1.74.0 libboost1.74-dev) --- boost1.74 (1.74.0+ds1-21) unstable; urgency=medium [ Andreas Beckmann ] * [f41f9a1] libboost-thread1.74.0: Add Breaks: libboost-regex1.74.0-icu67 for smoother upgrades from bullseye. (Closes: #1036070) -- Anton Gladky Fri, 19 May 2023 09:24:56 +0200 (output of apt-changelogs) freeze is that the software at kept at the same versions so that the teams preparing the distribution can concentrate on those problems.
What does "freeze" mean in Debian?
Hi folks, just a little thing, I am somehow confused about. I read that debian/testing is now in state "freeze" as the next release is shortly to come. As I running "bookworm" now, I am wondering, that debian/testing (aka bookworm), still gets a lot of changed packages last days. Obviously I seem to misunderstand the meaning of "freeze". Does "freeze" mean "No new packages" od does it mean "actual packages in testing will not be changed any more till next release". What did I not understand? For me "freeze" means "stay at actual status and do only necessary changes for security or breaking reasons". There are almost a hundered packages I got untill "freeze" and my change to bookworm (aka testing).
Re: What does this mean?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:50:44PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20120724_022817, Chris Bannister wrote: Did you not see this: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix701-bootscreen.png In the bottom left hand corner there is boot:. The rest is art work, not information. Huh? what happens when you press F2 there, or F3 or Fx (0 x 10) You should find a screen with boot options. ONE of them¹ mentions booting into memtest. Are you sure you can't find it? ¹ There are heaps of other boot options. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120724145614.GF8663@tal
Re: What does this mean?
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. Did you do the usual -- vacuuming out the dust, re-seating RAM and controller cards, cables, etc.? While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618683] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1f.1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/uevent Some device on the PCI bus is complaining, etc. Be nice if just a little physical housecleaning gets rid of those. Otherwise, well, ... BTW, you can search the web on the device address in that part of the message, too, to try to figure out what device is complaining. But all the zeros make me think it's the bus controller itself. (Not that I know anything about this kind of stuff.) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618801] Process kswapd0 (pid: 23, ti=f6e82000 task=f6c35940 task.ti=f6e82000) eek. Seem to have trouble getting stuff into or out of swap. Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618804] Stack: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618836] Call Trace: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618949] Code: 83 78 10 01 7e 0e 8b 40 0c ba 0c 00 00 00 f6 40 2b 02 75 05 ba 08 00 00 00 89 d0 c3 89 c2 eb 0b f3 90 8b 02 a9 00 00 80 00 75 f5 3e 0f ba 2a 17 19 c0 85 c0 75 ec 8b 02 31 c9 a9 00 00 01 00 74 And you could disassemble that and likely be none-the-wiser, although, again, you might find physical port addresses and such. Which may or may not help. Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 And the journal process is not stable. Likely to lead to silent data loss until it gets bad enough to start casing panics and such. Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.619006] CR2: 0013 end The computer is a Dell desktop on which I have loaded Squeeze and Gnome. I've seen this type of outburst from this computer before, but haven't had the presence of mind to capture a copy and send it to this list. The computer is running only a home brew data processing script in written in Bash and there are several window open to monitor different aspects of its progress. The script does not crash. It continues to be possible to interact with it, including, even using aptitude to install software. What does this outburst mean? TIA -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43iptrty2lrumg+qwzqxzndsznfulxiokkya2tkvnccf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What does this mean?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: On 20120723_110432, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:18:07PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Yes. At boot prompt read help screens. :) Using the disk I downloaded yesterday and got burnt today, there is a fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it working on possibly defective, broken, hardware. I got it working on a different computer and discovered that it uses UNIONFS to overlay an record of changes that one makes to files on the root partition. It only saves stuff to physical disk if you tell it to, IIRC. But even on my better computer, I couldn't find a way to exit from Knoppix gracefully. Shutdown only shut down KDE and left the computer in a state where it was unresponsive to any keyboard keys that I could think to try. That's called the power-down state. Many live CDs don't have the complete power manager stuff to cover every mobo's way to turn itself completely off. It should have put a message on the screen about it being safe to turn the power off or re-boot, however. I had to do a press-and-hold the power button to recover the use of the computer. When it came back up in Squeeze, the changes that I had made to a file on the root partition were not there. The had not been written to real disk during the somewhat brutal shutdown. One bright spot for the day. The new memtest+ package in Squeeze has a nice feature: It edits grub config to included memtest+ image in the boot menu. With this, one doesn't have to have a working CDROM drive to do a memtest. I have one running now on the problem box. I'll be looking into earlier versions of Knoppix tomorrow. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iM7VXbbcmTDw8qEAGLZoZ1HM2y7cjez=V7XOL9=a6r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What does this mean?
-- Forwarded message -- From: Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net Date: 23 July 2012 05:21 Subject: Re: What does this mean? Using the disk I downloaded yesterday and got burnt today, there is a fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it working on possibly defective, broken, hardware. I got it working on a different computer and discovered that it uses UNIONFS to overlay an record of changes that one makes to files on the root partition. But even on my better computer, I couldn't find a way to exit from Knoppix gracefully. Shutdown only shut down KDE and left the computer in a state where it was unresponsive to any keyboard keys that I could think to try. I had to do a press-and-hold the power button to recover the use of the computer. When it came back up in Squeeze, the changes that I had made to a file on the root partition were not there. The had not been written to real disk during the somewhat brutal shutdown. One bright spot for the day. The new memtest+ package in Squeeze has a nice feature: It edits grub config to included memtest+ image in the boot menu. With this, one doesn't have to have a working CDROM drive to do a memtest. I have one running now on the problem box. I'll be looking into earlier versions of Knoppix tomorrow. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net ~~ Knoppix sites for you to get a grounding in running the live cd/dvd. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix702-en.html http://knoppix.net/wiki/Main_Page HTH -- Sent from FOSS (Free Open Source Software) Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAL36VG=N_xxQhU8+rkc=7e=droepslrfmzxmacd5v+q3cvj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What does this mean?
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:18:07 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20120722_132033, Camaleón wrote: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 (...) You got a kernel oops, and Google suggests as a possible source of the error a bad memory RAM stick (long mode). Being a second hand computer you better run a memtest and run a pile of system stress tests to check the computer components health (mainly micro, memory and hard disks). I'm trying to learn. When I try to repeat your Googling the only hits that I get are links to *my*own* query on this list. (Not much help, Google. Yes I know the question.) Give me some more information on what query string gave you the RAM stick (long mode) answer. You've given me a fish. Thankyou. But I'd like to learn how to fish. Okay, I'll show the magic but this has to be a secret bewteen us... X-) I just searched for the line I considered suspicious (there were not many in the logs you sent), that is, the keyword here is jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head which returned a bunch of interesting links: a bug report from openSUSE and also messages from the kernel mailing list and both sources related to RAM as the possible cause of the oops. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=755112#c1 http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1201.1/02285.html Joining the points and given that you got a computer that was not brand new, it makes indeed sense a hardware component problem can be hitting you. Memory test and other component tests: Do you have any suggestions as to what I might download. I prefer to run the tests from a Live system and my favorite distro for this is SystemRescueCD but I know of others aimed to run power stress tests to verify the harwdare component's health, such as: http://www.inquisitor.ru/about/index.html I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? I don't know Knoppix much, sorry :-( but there has to be a list of the packages included somewhere... ah, found it: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/packages.txt Anyway, memtest is also available in Debian repos, I mean, if you wanted to check the RAM modules, that should be enough. Actually, I've already learned something really significant to me: Back when I hit Enter to send my original post, I didn't know for sure that these lines were actually significant. An alternative explanation that I had in mind was that the kernel issued messages like these frequently but Gnome, or some other high level thing, trapped them and sent them to /dev/null. It is really nice to know that two significant people here take the content of these messages seriously. Well, an kernel oops is always something to care about. GNOME has a tool (kerneloops) that displays these messages in the user's face and this can be nice to have because sometimes the oopes are hidden in the syslog files and usually got unnoticed unless the user experiences a serious problem with the system (reboots or hangs) and starts raeding the logs. I bought the computer from a computer recycling business. They know about Windows, but not so much about Linux. I'd like to take some information to them about the nature of the problem, AND I'd like to be prepared to test whatever 'fix' we (the business, and I) agree to try. I saw this computer run Windows XP, before I took out the XP-holding disk and put in my own HD as the first step in installing Linux Second hand computers are more prone to hardware failures because you don't really know what have been they doing (power on hours) nor their environment (there are companies that care about their machines but other will just treat computers like fridges that open just one every 5 years or so...). It's kinda russian roulette :-/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jujkh4$rg0$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: What does this mean?
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:21:34PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20120723_110432, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:18:07PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Yes. At boot prompt read help screens. :) Using the disk I downloaded yesterday and got burnt today, there is a fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it Did you not see this: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix701-bootscreen.png -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723142817.GA17379@tal
ultimatebootcd (was ... Re: What does this mean?)
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:21:34PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it working on possibly defective, broken, hardware. I got it working on a different computer and discovered that it uses UNIONFS to overlay an Regarding testing other components, have a look at the ultimatebootcd http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ I'm downloading it now (359.8MB) via bittorrent. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723143449.GB17379@tal
Re: What does this mean?
Paul, Are you using squeeze for 64-bit architecture? On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.netwrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618683] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1f.1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/uevent Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618801] Process kswapd0 (pid: 23, ti=f6e82000 task=f6c35940 task.ti=f6e82000) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618804] Stack: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618836] Call Trace: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618949] Code: 83 78 10 01 7e 0e 8b 40 0c ba 0c 00 00 00 f6 40 2b 02 75 05 ba 08 00 00 00 89 d0 c3 89 c2 eb 0b f3 90 8b 02 a9 00 00 80 00 75 f5 3e 0f ba 2a 17 19 c0 85 c0 75 ec 8b 02 31 c9 a9 00 00 01 00 74 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.619006] CR2: 0013 end The computer is a Dell desktop on which I have loaded Squeeze and Gnome. I've seen this type of outburst from this computer before, but haven't had the presence of mind to capture a copy and send it to this list. The computer is running only a home brew data processing script in written in Bash and there are several window open to monitor different aspects of its progress. The script does not crash. It continues to be possible to interact with it, including, even using aptitude to install software. What does this outburst mean? TIA -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120721175851.gd2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: What does this mean?
On 20120724_022817, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:21:34PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20120723_110432, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:18:07PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Yes. At boot prompt read help screens. :) Using the disk I downloaded yesterday and got burnt today, there is a fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it Did you not see this: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix701-bootscreen.png In the bottom left hand corner there is boot:. The rest is art work, not information. The Knoppix 'cheat sheets' give syntatically valid cheats, but little or no explanation of what kind of misbehavior would indicate the use of a particular cheat. I find myself with a misbehaving computer. I can't simply accept whatever happens as being right and proper behavior. I'm looking for some idea of the sequence of events that should happen on a fully functional computer so that I can catch when things start to go bad. I've started using Knoppix on a different computer that is in working condition and discovering some of the answers to my questions. It is slow work, but 'educational'. I think I'll be at this for a while. Peace. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120724025044.ga2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: What does this mean?
On 20120723_084535, Morning Star wrote: Paul, Are you using squeeze for 64-bit architecture? No. I'm using i386 or perhaps i686. The computer is absolutely not a speed deamon. It was purchased to be a plodding old work horse. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.netwrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618683] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1f.1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/uevent Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618801] Process kswapd0 (pid: 23, ti=f6e82000 task=f6c35940 task.ti=f6e82000) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618804] Stack: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618836] Call Trace: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618949] Code: 83 78 10 01 7e 0e 8b 40 0c ba 0c 00 00 00 f6 40 2b 02 75 05 ba 08 00 00 00 89 d0 c3 89 c2 eb 0b f3 90 8b 02 a9 00 00 80 00 75 f5 3e 0f ba 2a 17 19 c0 85 c0 75 ec 8b 02 31 c9 a9 00 00 01 00 74 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.619006] CR2: 0013 end The computer is a Dell desktop on which I have loaded Squeeze and Gnome. I've seen this type of outburst from this computer before, but haven't had the presence of mind to capture a copy and send it to this list. The computer is running only a home brew data processing script in written in Bash and there are several window open to monitor different aspects of its progress. The script does not crash. It continues to be possible to interact with it, including, even using aptitude to install software. What does this outburst mean? TIA -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120721175851.gd2...@big.lan.gnu -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120724025729.gb2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: What does this mean?
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:58:52AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: [snip kernel messages. end The computer is a Dell desktop on which I have loaded Squeeze and Gnome. I've seen this type of outburst from this computer before, but haven't had the presence of mind to capture a copy and send it to this list. The computer is running only a home brew data processing script in written in Bash and there are several window open to monitor different aspects of its progress. The script does not crash. It continues to be possible to interact with it, including, even using aptitude to install software. What does this outburst mean? Dunno, but I wouldn't trust it. I'd suspect a h/w problem. Don't store any important data on it. Can you guarrantee that the data integrity is ok? Boot a knoppix cd, run memtest. Find a test disk to test h/w HDD, motherboard, etc Anyone know of any good ones? I'm on the lookout for some myself :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120722072400.GC19708@tal
Re: What does this mean?
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:58:52 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP (...) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 (...) You got a kernel oops, and Google suggests as a possible source of the error a bad memory RAM stick (long mode). Being a second hand computer you better run a memtest and run a pile of system stress tests to check the computer components health (mainly micro, memory and hard disks). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jugun1$nk6$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: What does this mean?
On 20120722_132033, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:58:52 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP (...) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 (...) You got a kernel oops, and Google suggests as a possible source of the error a bad memory RAM stick (long mode). Being a second hand computer you better run a memtest and run a pile of system stress tests to check the computer components health (mainly micro, memory and hard disks). Greetings, -- Camaleón I'm trying to learn. When I try to repeat your Googling the only hits that I get are links to *my*own* query on this list. (Not much help, Google. Yes I know the question.) Give me some more information on what query string gave you the RAM stick (long mode) answer. You've given me a fish. Thankyou. But I'd like to learn how to fish. Memory test and other component tests: Do you have any suggestions as to what I might download. I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Actually, I've already learned something really significant to me: Back when I hit Enter to send my original post, I didn't know for sure that these lines were actually significant. An alternative explanation that I had in mind was that the kernel issued messages like these frequently but Gnome, or some other high level thing, trapped them and sent them to /dev/null. It is really nice to know that two significant people here take the content of these messages seriously. I bought the computer from a computer recycling business. They know about Windows, but not so much about Linux. I'd like to take some information to them about the nature of the problem, AND I'd like to be prepared to test whatever 'fix' we (the business, and I) agree to try. I saw this computer run Windows XP, before I took out the XP-holding disk and put in my own HD as the first step in installing Linux Thanks. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012071807.ge2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: What does this mean?
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:18:07PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Yes. At boot prompt read help screens. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120722230432.GB4492@tal
Re: What does this mean?
On 20120723_110432, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:18:07PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have already downloaded Knoppix v7.0.1, per Chris' suggestion, but have not yet found out what to do with it. Does it have memory, component test software on it? Yes. At boot prompt read help screens. :) Using the disk I downloaded yesterday and got burnt today, there is a fancy KDE gui, but no help screens about such trivia as getting it working on possibly defective, broken, hardware. I got it working on a different computer and discovered that it uses UNIONFS to overlay an record of changes that one makes to files on the root partition. But even on my better computer, I couldn't find a way to exit from Knoppix gracefully. Shutdown only shut down KDE and left the computer in a state where it was unresponsive to any keyboard keys that I could think to try. I had to do a press-and-hold the power button to recover the use of the computer. When it came back up in Squeeze, the changes that I had made to a file on the root partition were not there. The had not been written to real disk during the somewhat brutal shutdown. One bright spot for the day. The new memtest+ package in Squeeze has a nice feature: It edits grub config to included memtest+ image in the boot menu. With this, one doesn't have to have a working CDROM drive to do a memtest. I have one running now on the problem box. I'll be looking into earlier versions of Knoppix tomorrow. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120723042134.ga3...@big.lan.gnu
What does this mean?
I'm running a computer box that is recently purchased second hand - new to me, but not new. While running a script that does a disk to disk copy with some reformatting on a file of a few GB, I got this burst of lines on all open gnome-terminal windows: start of cut and paste: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618678] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618683] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1f.1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/uevent Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618801] Process kswapd0 (pid: 23, ti=f6e82000 task=f6c35940 task.ti=f6e82000) Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618804] Stack: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618836] Call Trace: Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618949] Code: 83 78 10 01 7e 0e 8b 40 0c ba 0c 00 00 00 f6 40 2b 02 75 05 ba 08 00 00 00 89 d0 c3 89 c2 eb 0b f3 90 8b 02 a9 00 00 80 00 75 f5 3e 0f ba 2a 17 19 c0 85 c0 75 ec 8b 02 31 c9 a9 00 00 01 00 74 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.618994] EIP: [f7de2458] jbd2_journal_grab_journal_head+0xf/0x36 [jbd2] SS:ESP 0068:f6e83d38 Message from syslogd@gq at Jul 21 04:40:03 ... kernel:[233576.619006] CR2: 0013 end The computer is a Dell desktop on which I have loaded Squeeze and Gnome. I've seen this type of outburst from this computer before, but haven't had the presence of mind to capture a copy and send it to this list. The computer is running only a home brew data processing script in written in Bash and there are several window open to monitor different aspects of its progress. The script does not crash. It continues to be possible to interact with it, including, even using aptitude to install software. What does this outburst mean? TIA -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120721175851.gd2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:21:48 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : (...) You will get what you expect if you grab the ISO file from Debian site. Other sites can be hosting different flavours/spins which have nothing to do with the official Debian images. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jg6l9g$n8f$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Friday 27 January 2012 02:48:07 Scott Ferguson wrote: ; ADRIANE (a truly astonishing work). Yes, brilliant. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201281433.44242.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Jo, 26 ian 12, 22:03:01, Tom H wrote: I don't know why Debian's chosen not to include NM on its LXDE Live CD but it's just a apt-get update apt-get install network-manager away for your corner case. One of the goals of Debian Live is to use as much as possible unmodified packages (and integrate the modifications in the packages where needed). For this particular case it means that the content of the LXDE flavour are determined by the LXDE task (and its maintainers), not by the Live developers. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f217cfa.1050...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. sir, you probably had a bad day and mistakenly downloaded the lxde (for its smaller size) You are ~50% correct ;) I wasn't having a bad day until after spending two hours at local library using their high speed connection (high relative to what I have at home via 56k modem). I indeed chose lxde over gnome primarily on size. Secondarily I'd seen it on Ubuntu 10.10 and thought it ugly. In any case, lxde itself is not the problem. both salix and porteus offer lxde *AND* internet connectivity in a smaller package. as everyone suggested, use the gnome version instead which can be get from http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/ it the debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso file and do make sure the MD5SUM is correct before burning it to a DVD (it's a 1.1 GB file) -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f218028.10...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thursday 26 January 2012 16:19:06 Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Knoppix, the non-pareil of Lice CDs, that I have used for some 7 years now (I try other things, but always come back to Knoppix) doesn't immediately connect to the Internet, you have to set up networking. Doing so is a doddle. I simply don't see it as a problem. (I haven't used a Live CD recently, and am having optical drive problems, so I may be out of date.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201261848.48633.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD. Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. There should be. Has been on the several LiveCDs with the LXDE desktop I've tested. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) Modem? As in dial up? That requires manually setting up the network connection. With LXDE, in the menus somewhere, there's its control panel for all (or most all) configurations usually with a nice wizard to help you. You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? Yes. But not automatically, unless you have a wired Ethernet connection. Any other configuration wireless, dial up, requires manually entering the numbers. Might even require installing the appropriate driver, if it's not on the LiveCD. This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Perhaps, the iso was damaged during the download or burning. Did you checksum it? Both the downloaded iso and the CD after burning? Also, did you read the instructions? Linux isn't Windows. And doesn't work like Windows either. There is a learning curve. A fairly steep one. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1327611216.53143.yahoomail...@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:19:06 -0600, Richard wrote in message 4f217cfa.1050...@pcnetinc.com: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) ..no? ;o) Show us root's output of 'lsusb -vvv'. ;o) (To become root, 'sudo su - ', or some such stunt, there may even be a root's password hint on your live image.) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. ..maybe. Become root and do 'dmesg /tmp/dhimmi ', then plug in your alleged non-winmodem and let it do all its beepy blinky things, before doing 'dmesg /tmp/dulluh ', and then you're ready (or not) for 'diff -u /tmp/dhimmi /tmp/dulluh |less ' to see what happened, if you don't understand your diff read, post the output of 'diff -u /tmp/dhimmi /tmp/dulluh /tmp/dimwit ' by attaching the /tmp/dimwit file you created above. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120126220454.7f61c...@nb6.lan
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Jo, 26 ian 12, 10:19:06, Richard Owlett wrote: But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? The canonical way to setup the internet on Debian is via /etc/network/interfaces. For dial-up you will need pppconfig, which is not included in a default install. Network Manager (included with the Gnome variant) might be able to do it, but I can't tell. This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. No, connecting via ethernet is trivial and might be already setup to work if DHCP is available (I don't know and am too lazy to check). Other live CDs may include own tools to connect. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2012 16:19:06 Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Knoppix, the non-pareil of Lice CDs, that I have used for some 7 years now (I try other things, but always come back to Knoppix) doesn't immediately connect to the Internet, you have to set up networking. Doing so is a doddle. I simply don't see it as a problem. (I haven't used a Live CD recently, and am having optical drive problems, so I may be out of date.) To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. To the OP: I writing this email using a Debian LXDE Live CD with the same name as yours. It connected to the internet automatically at boot... It doesn't have Network Manager installed so your requirement to connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem doesn't have a GUI. I don't know why Debian's chosen not to include NM on its LXDE Live CD but it's just a apt-get update apt-get install network-manager away for your corner case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swhmp+tgoxel7ly_tyrftixgo_yk7ayuaqbmvyrybv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thursday 26 January 2012 22:03:01 Tom H wrote: To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. Yes, I like it better. In the past it was generally accepted as the best, and I still like it better. Yes, that may be habit and preference. But I don't think any reasonable person could accuse Knoppix of not being a live CD, and I usually have to tell it to start the network. This is trivial to do, and I like it because it means that I can set up a static connection. And it really is exceptionally good at hardware recognition. I frequently log on to the command line in Knoppix. But I have got a lot of tools on the same CD. Debian tends to require that you choose what you want to do and select the appropriate CD. But I don't want to start a flame war. My distro is better that your distro so yah, boo! Each to his or her own. That is what I like so much about Linux, or rather, FLOSS in general. You get to choose!! I am not required to fit into a one-size-fits-all mold. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201262233.58204.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 27/01/12 09:33, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2012 22:03:01 Tom H wrote: To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. Yes, I like it better. In the past it was generally accepted as the best It was the first Live CD AFAIK. (I don't know if Klaus reads this list - he posted on a debian list this morning though) snipped But I don't want to start a flame war. It would be a silly flame war ;-p See reasons at:- debian-knop...@lists.debian.org :-D In some instances Knoppix has advantages over the pure Debian Live CDs, the main ones being:- ; kudzu hardware detection (http://wiki.debian.org/HardwareAutodetection) ; ADRIANE (a truly astonishing work). snipped Lisi Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f221067.1070...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 27/01/12 03:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. ? Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. You were asked not to troll. Intentionally or otherwise. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. Theirs installing to a live CD, and installing to a hard drive. There is a difference. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) Please let me know when you can find any OS that will read your mind for the information required to connect with a modem. There really is no excuse for not reading the documentation - or shortage of other venues for you to troll at. You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. There's a failure all right. It's systemic, but it's not CD based. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f22121d.2090...@gmail.com
Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? There is massive communication failure as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f04cc.7030...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Ma, 24 ian 12, 13:21:48, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : ... Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. LXDE is a lightweight desktop environment and doesn't include a network management software. You probably want the Gnome version instead. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: [...] Could you please post the link where you downloaded the image? Even better if you can also provide a checksum (md5, sha...). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Richard Owlett schreef: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD. Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? There is massive communication failure as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. is this a troll/ are you trolling? steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f2860.5060...@home.nl
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Consider reading all the FAQ - instead of just part. If you're going to nit pick you will get surprises. Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Every word of which is true. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] It won't make toasted sandwiches either, or make you smarter. Not only is there no way to connect to internet, Please don't troll - we don't go to your favourite Windows XP phorums making up complaints. there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. Flavors: The live images come in flavors, four providing the desktop environments GNOME, KDE, LXDE and Xfce, and two text console flavors: rescue and standard. Many users will find these initial package selections suitable, installing any additional packages they need from the network afterwards. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? Make up your mind - either you're complaining that despite your refusal to fully *read* the documentation you were short changed on features - or your complaining that *additional* features like the installer is also a complaint. That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? Stuffed a disk full of documentation for those willing to read as well as a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing *and* install additional packages using the built-in *network* support. There is massive communication failure Agreed. as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. Yes. *Only* the netinst.iso. Was there a valid question in your massive rant? Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f2f47.7050...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. sir, you probably had a bad day and mistakenly downloaded the lxde (for its smaller size) as everyone suggested, use the gnome version instead which can be get from http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/ it the debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.isohttp://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso file and do make sure the MD5SUM is correct before burning it to a DVD (it's a 1.1 GB file) -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
Nate Bargmann wrote: * Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz [2009 Jan 25 06:02 -0600]: Also, just because Exim4 is the Debian default, why does that mean it should have *more* support than, say, postfix or any other MTA. Hold on a minute! I'm not sure what caused this tempest in a teapot to occur, but suffice it to say that since Exim4 is the *default* MTA I would expect more experience with its configuration than with any of the other MTAs in Debian. It's a raw numbers game and Exim4 should have more list members available to offer support than the number 2 used MTA. The fact that Exim4 doesn't get discussed much indicates that it must work well enough out of the box for most users. Looking at the popcon page, of those installations reporting, exim4-daemon-light is installed by 68.10% of people and used by 65.03% of users. See: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=exim4 Now, it's quite possible that all Exim4 is doing on many of these installations is simply handling daemon mail and the MUA of choice is handling the smarthost duties. It's also quite possible that many Debian users have a simple smarthost that doesn't require the special configuration of GoDaddy's smarthost and this thread now exists to help others, i.e. it will provide support in the future. It's quite possible that the Postfix users may well be more knowledgable per capita than the Exim4 users even though Postfix appears to be the number 2 MTA used in Debian per: http://popcon.debian.org/main/mail/by_inst It seems to me that the level of support enjoyed by a particular package is dependent on the experience of its users (a package with low installation numbers and rank may have highly experienced and knowledgable users) and the chance that such users subscribe to and read this list. In other words, it's a craps shoot. - Nate A bit late, but I've been unavailable. When I need help configuring Exim, I look at the Exim mailing lists - just like I do any product. I don't expect this to be a product support list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net [2009 Jan 31 07:34 -0600]: A bit late, but I've been unavailable. When I need help configuring Exim, I look at the Exim mailing lists - just like I do any product. In the README.Debian file it quite explicitly discusses that support should be sought on the Debian list first and only afterward should the upstream Exim list be consulted. This is likely due to the Debian configuration changes that have been made to the package. Since I wound up solving my configuration entirely within the framework of the Debian configuration, asking on a Debian list was the proper avenue to take, IMO. For the record, I checked the Debian Exim4 mailing list and it appeared to have very low traffic and since I am already subscribed here, I asked here. I don't expect this to be a product support list. There seems to be a lot of product support that takes place on this list without issue. Why some got upset about this thread is puzzling to me. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On 12/23/42 12:59, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net [2009 Jan 31 07:34 -0600]: A bit late, but I've been unavailable. When I need help configuring Exim, I look at the Exim mailing lists - just like I do any product. In the README.Debian file it quite explicitly discusses that support should be sought on the Debian list first and only afterward should the upstream Exim list be consulted. This is likely due to the Debian configuration changes that have been made to the package. Since I wound up solving my configuration entirely within the framework of the Debian configuration, asking on a Debian list was the proper avenue to take, IMO. For the record, I checked the Debian Exim4 mailing list and it appeared to have very low traffic and since I am already subscribed here, I asked here. I don't expect this to be a product support list. There seems to be a lot of product support that takes place on this list without issue. Why some got upset about this thread is puzzling to me. - Nate Hi, What was the solution? I'm interested in getting Exim4 to talk to a smarthost provider. TBird seems to have no problem, but Exim4 provokes an unexpected error.
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On January 31, 2009 11:13:13 am Jeff Chimene wrote: What was the solution? I'm interested in getting Exim4 to talk to a smarthost provider. TBird seems to have no problem, but Exim4 provokes an unexpected error. Did you run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? I use a smarthost here with no problem once I ran that command and configured exim4 to do so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
* Jeff Chimene jchim...@gmail.com [2009 Jan 31 13:32 -0600]: What was the solution? I detailed my config files earlier in the thread. The bullet points are that I had to ensure the actual hostname of the SMTP server was in the config and passwd files. I had to enable a macro to send the authentication in clear text and have my email-addresses and mailname files set correctly. Osamu offered advice that allowed me to solve the local delivery problem and I was able to get everything going smoothly. My thanks to him and the complete details are in the archives. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
Nate Bargmann wrote: * Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net [2009 Jan 31 07:34 -0600]: A bit late, but I've been unavailable. When I need help configuring Exim, I look at the Exim mailing lists - just like I do any product. In the README.Debian file it quite explicitly discusses that support should be sought on the Debian list first and only afterward should the upstream Exim list be consulted. This is likely due to the Debian configuration changes that have been made to the package. Since I wound up solving my configuration entirely within the framework of the Debian configuration, asking on a Debian list was the proper avenue to take, IMO. I agree with this when the question has something to do with the Debian configuration of Exim. However, the Debian packagers are NOT the experts on the packages themselves (unless the packager also wrote the code - which is not very often). The original developers are. For the record, I checked the Debian Exim4 mailing list and it appeared to have very low traffic and since I am already subscribed here, I asked here. I didn't say anthing about the Debian Exim4 mailing list. I don't expect this to be a product support list. There seems to be a lot of product support that takes place on this list without issue. Why some got upset about this thread is puzzling to me. - Nate Maybe because people are bitching about there not being support - when they're asking in the wrong place, anyway. Sure, there may be some product support here. But that still doesn't make it the best place to ask questions about the product. I have in the past asked a number of questions on the Exim users mailing list, and gotten good answers every time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:38:53PM +, Bob Cox wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:40:39AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:43:28PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:43:07PM +, Bob Cox wrote: I have used Postfix for years (I have a static IP etc and send and receive direct-to-mx) but no doubt exim would do the job just as well and as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. The last clause of that sentence indicates a deep misunderstanding. As more people go from Windoze -- Ubuntu -- Debian, it becomes more important to not nurture the idea that debian-user is *the* front line help desk. You seem to confuse Bob Cox for the OP. Huh? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/01/msg02168.html But please, It was not meant as a character assassination. If you read the context, you'll see that Bob actually pointed out a specific technical issue, and then hoped someone more exprinced with Exim will comment. The clause as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=209844 and http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id226635 respectively. Also, just because Exim4 is the Debian default, why does that mean it should have *more* support than, say, postfix or any other MTA. Hope this explains. Oh dear. I apologise for my sloppy grammar. When I said as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list, I did *not* mean that it ought have more support - I meant that I assumed there *would* be more support available - simply because of its greater number of users. Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to be too specific like that. Also there is the possibility that a lot of people may be using postfix who subscribe to this list, IOW, there will be a lot of people using exim who don't realise it and not even subscribed to this list. AFAIK there seem to be more people ready to jump in with a helping hand when the configuration issue concerns postfix than with exim although I'm not sure whether that may be because people who install postfix have to actually *choose* to install it whereas the people who use exim have it installed by default and don't mecessarily need to mess around the default possible configurations. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:43:07PM +, Bob Cox wrote: I have used Postfix for years (I have a static IP etc and send and receive direct-to-mx) but no doubt exim would do the job just as well and as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. The last clause of that sentence indicates a deep misunderstanding. As more people go from Windoze -- Ubuntu -- Debian, it becomes more important to not nurture the idea that debian-user is *the* front line help desk. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:43:28PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:43:07PM +, Bob Cox wrote: I have used Postfix for years (I have a static IP etc and send and receive direct-to-mx) but no doubt exim would do the job just as well and as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. The last clause of that sentence indicates a deep misunderstanding. As more people go from Windoze -- Ubuntu -- Debian, it becomes more important to not nurture the idea that debian-user is *the* front line help desk. You seem to confuse Bob Cox for the OP. If you read the context, you'll see that Bob actually pointed out a specific technical issue, and then hoped someone more exprinced with Exim will comment. To use your terminology: that's second-level support :-) -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:40:39AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:43:28PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:43:07PM +, Bob Cox wrote: I have used Postfix for years (I have a static IP etc and send and receive direct-to-mx) but no doubt exim would do the job just as well and as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. The last clause of that sentence indicates a deep misunderstanding. As more people go from Windoze -- Ubuntu -- Debian, it becomes more important to not nurture the idea that debian-user is *the* front line help desk. You seem to confuse Bob Cox for the OP. Huh? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/01/msg02168.html But please, It was not meant as a character assassination. If you read the context, you'll see that Bob actually pointed out a specific technical issue, and then hoped someone more exprinced with Exim will comment. The clause as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=209844 and http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id226635 respectively. Also, just because Exim4 is the Debian default, why does that mean it should have *more* support than, say, postfix or any other MTA. Hope this explains. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
* Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz [2009 Jan 25 06:02 -0600]: Also, just because Exim4 is the Debian default, why does that mean it should have *more* support than, say, postfix or any other MTA. Hold on a minute! I'm not sure what caused this tempest in a teapot to occur, but suffice it to say that since Exim4 is the *default* MTA I would expect more experience with its configuration than with any of the other MTAs in Debian. It's a raw numbers game and Exim4 should have more list members available to offer support than the number 2 used MTA. The fact that Exim4 doesn't get discussed much indicates that it must work well enough out of the box for most users. Looking at the popcon page, of those installations reporting, exim4-daemon-light is installed by 68.10% of people and used by 65.03% of users. See: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=exim4 Now, it's quite possible that all Exim4 is doing on many of these installations is simply handling daemon mail and the MUA of choice is handling the smarthost duties. It's also quite possible that many Debian users have a simple smarthost that doesn't require the special configuration of GoDaddy's smarthost and this thread now exists to help others, i.e. it will provide support in the future. It's quite possible that the Postfix users may well be more knowledgable per capita than the Exim4 users even though Postfix appears to be the number 2 MTA used in Debian per: http://popcon.debian.org/main/mail/by_inst It seems to me that the level of support enjoyed by a particular package is dependent on the experience of its users (a package with low installation numbers and rank may have highly experienced and knowledgable users) and the chance that such users subscribe to and read this list. In other words, it's a craps shoot. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 01:18:00 +1300, Chris Bannister (mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz) wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:40:39AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:43:28PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:43:07PM +, Bob Cox wrote: I have used Postfix for years (I have a static IP etc and send and receive direct-to-mx) but no doubt exim would do the job just as well and as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. The last clause of that sentence indicates a deep misunderstanding. As more people go from Windoze -- Ubuntu -- Debian, it becomes more important to not nurture the idea that debian-user is *the* front line help desk. You seem to confuse Bob Cox for the OP. Huh? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/01/msg02168.html But please, It was not meant as a character assassination. If you read the context, you'll see that Bob actually pointed out a specific technical issue, and then hoped someone more exprinced with Exim will comment. The clause as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list. http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=209844 and http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id226635 respectively. Also, just because Exim4 is the Debian default, why does that mean it should have *more* support than, say, postfix or any other MTA. Hope this explains. Oh dear. I apologise for my sloppy grammar. When I said as it's the Debian default it really should have more support available on this list, I did *not* mean that it ought have more support - I meant that I assumed there *would* be more support available - simply because of its greater number of users. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Please reply to the list only. Do NOT send copies directly to me. Debian on the NSLU2: http://bobcox.com/slug/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:01:28 -0600, Nate Bargmann in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: It seems to me that the level of support enjoyed by a particular package is dependent on the experience of its users (a package with low installation numbers and rank may have highly experienced and knowledgable users) and the chance that such users subscribe to and read this list. In other words, it's a craps shoot. I'm as guilty as the next person in NOT searching the archives and/or the Debian Wiki; http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4 when needing help. I've been getting better though and find that the combos of this list, the Debian Wiki and Google (to search this list) that there is excellent support available. Often better than what I've seen from commercial vendors. I've never had any problem getting all the help I needed when setting up Exim in the past from this list. Doesn't sound like you checked the archives ? -- Regards, S. Fishpaste -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does support mean? (Re: Exim4 with a Goddady account)
* S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid [2009 Jan 25 13:10 -0600]: I've never had any problem getting all the help I needed when setting up Exim in the past from this list. Doesn't sound like you checked the archives ? I tried several search terms in Google and it's obvious that not many have configured Exim4 for GoDaddy's server. Some have but never completed their thread by posting what exactly they had to do to get it working. So, I have posted my configuration back on here so it will be in the archive. Fortunately, the Web is littered with solutions to most configuration issues, but this one seemed to me to be a bit more obscure. This is a case where several seemingly unrelated configuration options combine for a solution that isn't obvious to those of us who aren't mail administrators. Thanks to the pointers from Osamu, I was able to get up to speed quickly which is what this list is all about. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
strange system mail : what does this mean ?
Hi to everyone, My system (Debian Sarge) was left running all night (usually I shut it down). In the morning, I noticed that a system mail had come : * From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 04 06:25:57 2008 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 Received: from root by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) id 1L86io-0001bU-Hi for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /et c/cron.daily X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh X-Cron-Env: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 Status: RO /etc/cron.daily/standard: Files were found in lost+found directories. This is probably the result of a crash or bad shutdown, or possibly of a disk problem. These files may contain important information. You should examine them, and move them out of lost+found or delete them if they are not important. The following files were found: /boot/lost+found: #171379 There is no possibility that my system may have shutdown : it wouldn't have restarted on its own. Besides, I have an APC system that is supposed to manage power failures, and, it this system had recorded any problem such as temporary power failure or voltage variation, it would have generated a special system mail. So, I wonder what the reason of the above system mail is. I tried to check what was that #171379 file or whatever, in the /boot/lost+found directory. It appears to be a directory. Any direct trial to get into that directory fails : /boot/lost+found#cd #171379 /# So, I had to use the Midnight Commander, and I could see that the directory '#171379' contained 10 files as follows : device.map3019 aug 2007 e2fs_stage1_5777619 aug 2007 fat_stage1_5 750419 aug 2007 jfs_stage1_5 menu.lst menu.lst~ minix_stage1_5 reiserfs~tage1_5 stage1 xfs_stage1_5 Could anyone tell me why have such files ended up in this /boot/lost+found directory ? Could this be the side result of a virus or other unfriendly attempt ? Does this kind of warning call for any relevant test ? Thanks in advance for any advice Bernard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange system mail : what does this mean ?
On 2008-12-04 12:25 +0100, Bernard wrote: My system (Debian Sarge) Did you ever consider upgrading to Etch? was left running all night (usually I shut it down). Under these circumstances installing anacron is strongly recommended. It is very possible that your system's cron jobs had never been run, because it was always off in the early morning hours. Or do you get up early and turn it on before 6:25 a.m. ? In the morning, I noticed that a system mail had come : * From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 04 06:25:57 2008 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 Received: from root by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) id 1L86io-0001bU-Hi for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /et c/cron.daily X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh X-Cron-Env: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:25:57 +0100 Status: RO /etc/cron.daily/standard: Files were found in lost+found directories. This is probably the result of a crash or bad shutdown, or possibly of a disk problem. These files may contain important information. You should examine them, and move them out of lost+found or delete them if they are not important. The following files were found: /boot/lost+found: #171379 There is no possibility that my system may have shutdown : it wouldn't have restarted on its own. Besides, I have an APC system that is supposed to manage power failures, and, it this system had recorded any problem such as temporary power failure or voltage variation, it would have generated a special system mail. So, I wonder what the reason of the above system mail is. I tried to check what was that #171379 file or whatever, in the /boot/lost+found directory. It appears to be a directory. Any direct trial to get into that directory fails : /boot/lost+found#cd #171379 /# Note that the # character is a special sign for bash -- it tells it to treat the rest of the line as a comment, i.e. ignore it. You have to escape the #, e.g. use cd \#171379. So, I had to use the Midnight Commander, and I could see that the directory '#171379' contained 10 files as follows : device.map3019 aug 2007 e2fs_stage1_5777619 aug 2007 fat_stage1_5 750419 aug 2007 jfs_stage1_5 menu.lst menu.lst~ minix_stage1_5 reiserfs~tage1_5 stage1 xfs_stage1_5 These files are usually found in /boot/grub. Could anyone tell me why have such files ended up in this /boot/lost+found directory ? Could this be the side result of a virus or other unfriendly attempt ? Unlikely. The files might have been there for years and just never reported to you, because the cron.daily scripts were never run. Just look at the timestamps... Does this kind of warning call for any relevant test ? Maybe you can find something interesting in /var/log, although that is not too likely. The cron jobs that were just run should have cleaned up lots of old cruft already. Thanks in advance for any advice Two of them: install anacron ASAP and upgrade to Etch. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange system mail : what does this mean ?
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On Thursday 04 December 2008, Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about 'strange system mail : what does this mean ?':
/boot/lost+found#cd #171379
/#
The octothorpe ('#') marks the beginning of a comment if it is the first
character in a taken. Quote it in some fashion (e.g. \#171379, '#171379',
or #171379) to avoid treating the rest of the physical line as a
comment.
I think bash also has a feature to turn off interactive comments if you
don't use them. I do.
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Re: strange system mail : what does this mean ?
On Thursday 04 December 2008, Sven Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: strange system mail : what does this mean ?': Two of them: install anacron ASAP and upgrade to Etch. I agree. I install anacron even on system intended to be on 24x7 so that cron jobs aren't missed during downtime. Also, IIRC, security updates have stopped flowing to sarge and that's not good. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Mumia W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I need is an X keyboard configuration tutorial. The Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO is long in the tooth and only glances over X. I used this site: http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Set up the compose key (I have it set up as the Left Alt key) Then compose c = -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Mumia W. wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Thibaut Paumard wrote: Multi_key = e gives € Multi_key + - gives ± ... And the Multi_key is? You define the Multi_key using xmodmap. xmodmap is a bit outdated, and in fact deprecated now; see the Debian X Window System Frequently Asked Questions at http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#keyboard. All sorts of tricks with the keyboard are possible using the xkb facilities. You can specify the Multi_key (alias the Compose key) in xorg.conf, or through the command line (setxkbmap command). For instance to input accents by means of dead keys, and to input an enormous variety of combined characters by means of the Compose key, on a US keyboard, for instance, you could use setxkbmap us -variant alt-intl -option compose:rwin This makes rwin (the right Windows key) the Compose key (a.k.a. Multi_key), and changes the keyboard to the US international variant. You can enter all sorts of things like the Euro sign (right-alt e which is the EU standard, but also right-alt 5, Compose = e, etc.), Spanish upside-down question mark and exclamation mark, left and right quotation marks, accents, macrons, etc. etc. There are many other possibilities. You can even define several different keyboard layouts, and a key to switch between them. One keystroke and you change your keyboard to Greek, Russian, Hebrew, what have you. See for instance http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu#T6. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: [...] For instance to input accents by means of dead keys, and to input an enormous variety of combined characters by means of the Compose key, on a US keyboard, for instance, you could use setxkbmap us -variant alt-intl -option compose:rwin [...] Thanks, it took me much too long to figure out how to configure my keyboard using xmodmap. I did look at the setxkbmap et.al manual pages, but they were long on complexity and short on examples. What I need is an X keyboard configuration tutorial. The Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO is long in the tooth and only glances over X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. Well, I don't think that is or should be a requirement... I mean, why limit that idea to just the Euro symbol? Said nothing about limit and only. The point was that when US h/w is internationalized enough to have foreign symbols on it, typing them will be, by default, mundane. The point I was trying to make is that this is an extremely arbitrary measure of whether or not a particular keyboard, or the OS you're using it under, is Unicode-friendly. The keyboard can only be so big before it loses its usefulness... The US keyboard already has a fine array of characters on it. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of US citizens who own a computer will never have a reason to type the Euro symbol as long as they live... so why should the US keyboard have it? What is needed is a handy way to enter characters that are NOT on it... And it sounds like SCIM is the answer I'm looking for, from another post in this thread. However, as it turns out I already have this installed on my Debian systems at work), and much like the other IMEs I've tried to get working, the documentation seems to be nonexistant (or at least I couldn't find much of anything useful in the 10 minutes I had to look this afternoon). Until then, console apps (and thus the OS) won't be UTF-friendly. Actually, you may find these helpful: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Euro-Char-Support/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Belgian-HOWTO/configuration.html Particularly the first. While I don't speak Belgian, I did find that the second discussed several ways to configure the system to allow the entry of accented latin characters. -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D pgpszxSm5AHaQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
What does it mean 'LANG=C'
I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. Thank you.
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. It means the default language - the one the application is actually written in. In practice this is usually English, but one could write an application in French (for example), and then translate it to English. In that case setting 'LANG=C' would indicate that an application should display messages in French. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linas Žvirblis wrote: Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. It means the default language - the one the application is actually written in. In practice this is usually English, but one could write an application in French (for example), and then translate it to English. In that case setting 'LANG=C' would indicate that an application should display messages in French. I thought C meant plain *old* ASCII encoding, like what was used on the PDP computers that C was written on. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEno9oS9HxQb37XmcRAsgIAKC66OiAtLhM4GXxD+x+qSc3//ZB+ACgibdm 6zIH83QbqA2MFIqe5te+f5M= =qvMp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. The LANG variable sets the user's locale, which tells the system what language and local conventions for things like time, money, numbers, etc. the user prefers to use. The primary importance of this is to tell the system what character set the user is using (and therefore what characters the user can see on terminals, and such.) Modern systems are moving to UTF-8 environments, which makes the language part mostly irrelevant; it can display (almost) all characters in all supported languages, regardless of what language the user is using. However, ancient Unix systems used a locale of 'C', which uses the character set US-ASCII, and sorts things (like directory entries, for example) according to the ASCII sequence of characters. See the man page for locale in seciont 5 of the man pages for details: $ man 5 locale -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D pgp1wPtyOLlDN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Ron Johnson wrote: I thought C meant plain *old* ASCII encoding, like what was used on the PDP computers that C was written on. Well, yes, it is US English ASCII. But I have seen it being abused. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
I've wondered about that. Why aren't modern systems just moving straight to Unicode? Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. The LANG variable sets the user's locale, which tells the system what language and local conventions for things like time, money, numbers, etc. the user prefers to use. The primary importance of this is to tell the system what character set the user is using (and therefore what characters the user can see on terminals, and such.) Modern systems are moving to UTF-8 environments, which makes the language part mostly irrelevant; it can display (almost) all characters in all supported languages, regardless of what language the user is using. However, ancient Unix systems used a locale of 'C', which uses the character set US-ASCII, and sorts things (like directory entries, for example) according to the ASCII sequence of characters. See the man page for locale in seciont 5 of the man pages for details: $ man 5 locale -- Truth Before Power! Justice Before Ambition! Earth First! http://www.eskimo.com/~xeno, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Xeno Campanoli wrote: I've wondered about that. Why aren't modern systems just moving straight to Unicode? UTF-8 *is* Unicode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. The LANG variable sets the user's locale, which tells the system what language and local conventions for things like time, money, numbers, etc. the user prefers to use. The primary importance of this is to tell the system what character set the user is using (and therefore what characters the user can see on terminals, and such.) Modern systems are moving to UTF-8 environments, which makes the language part mostly irrelevant; it can display (almost) all characters in all supported languages, regardless of what language the user is using. However, ancient Unix systems used a locale of 'C', which uses the character set US-ASCII, and sorts things (like directory entries, for example) according to the ASCII sequence of characters. See the man page for locale in seciont 5 of the man pages for details: $ man 5 locale - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnqrqS9HxQb37XmcRAmAUAJ47qDWmB3DVxBeIm45q2ntrYUWqXQCcD33M n+QLdLAPEbqnoSxB8BYqSmM= =bn/k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:37:51AM -0700, Xeno Campanoli wrote: I've wondered about that. Why aren't modern systems just moving straight to Unicode? Well, as I said, they are. It's mostly the modern PEOPLE who are not... ;-) Debian Sarge is pretty good as far as UTF-8 support, though for people who want to use multiple languages (more than one of which are non-latin languages) input support is still sub-optimal, hard to get working, and extremely poorly documented (as far as I can tell). I also use Fedora Core 4 on most of my personal systems, and I find that to be a little better than Sarge (it's a bit more current). I'm sure the less stable distributions of Debian have the same level of support as Fedora, but for various reasons I won't go into here, I don't use those. While the majority of people in the Windows world have switched to XP by now, there are still a surprisingly large number of people using Windows 98/ME (or even older releases) which don't support Unicode. The same is true in the Unix world... or at least the people using those systems haven't gotten around to updating their environments to use the Unicode support their OS provides. So, it's a complicated issue. Maybe 10 years from now, everyone will finally be using Unicode... but by then we'll probably have some other standard too. ;-) -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D pgptNCA1cBaJh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:37:51AM -0700, Xeno Campanoli wrote: [snip] While the majority of people in the Windows world have switched to XP by now, there are still a surprisingly large number of people using Windows 98/ME (or even older releases) which don't support Unicode. The same is true in the Unix world... or at least the people using those systems haven't gotten around to updating their environments to use the Unicode support their OS provides. So, it's a complicated issue. Maybe 10 years from now, everyone will finally be using Unicode... but by then we'll probably have some other standard too. ;-) When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnrBMS9HxQb37XmcRAmjnAKCWZZ8INhpUNEEO2SsAhNdeW8egJACg3dhR UV4HXz1VjUF4aESkGCLZelU= =5dYP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. Well, I don't think that is or should be a requirement... I mean, why limit that idea to just the Euro symbol? Why not include the Yen, or the Korean Won, the British pound (they're still using their own money, aren't they?), not to mention the thousands of other symbols used by other cultures... P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Copy-paste from a web page or other source which has it? I keep a file in my home directory with a few common symbols that are hard or impossible to type with a US keyboard: ℉ ℃ € ¥ £ ¤ × ÷ © ® ° ± ² ³ · ₤ ₩ ∞ ￡ ￥ ￦ P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? No idea... -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D pgp1WFlifz5oc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:54:54AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Copy-paste from a web page or other source which has it? I keep a file in my home directory with a few common symbols that are hard or impossible to type with a US keyboard: ℉ ℃ € ¥ £ ¤ × ÷ © ® ° ± ² ³ · ₤ ₩ ∞ ￡ ￥ ￦ BTW, there *is* another way... If you have your keyboard configured properly in your XF86Config file, you can type these characters, along with most of the accented latin characters, using some combination of Alt and/or Meta plus the regular keys. Originally I did exactly that, though I don't recall how the keyboard was configured, and it's since changed and I'm unable to do that now. You might have to configure your keyboard as US-International or enable dead keys, or something like that... -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D pgpnjN00rjdet.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. Well, I don't think that is or should be a requirement... I mean, why limit that idea to just the Euro symbol? Said nothing about limit and only. The point was that when US h/w is internationalized enough to have foreign symbols on it, typing them will be, by default, mundane. Until then, console apps (and thus the OS) won't be UTF-friendly. Why not include the Yen, or the Korean Won, the British pound (they're still using their own money, aren't they?), not to mention the thousands of other symbols used by other cultures... P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Copy-paste from a web page or other source which has it? I keep a file in my home directory with a few common symbols that are hard or impossible to type with a US keyboard: That's ? ? ? ¥ £ ¤ × ÷ © ® ° ± ² ³ · ? ? ? ? ? ? P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? No idea... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnra4S9HxQb37XmcRAgTfAKDVwpsV1f8wvkJJ9p8J7jwxujcaawCeJfBR VscGdlOLN+scxuBoCm5qvHY= =YjLZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Copy-paste from a web page or other source which has it? I keep a file in my home directory with a few common symbols that are hard or impossible to type with a US keyboard: That's ... not exactly what I had in mind. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnruNS9HxQb37XmcRAvpqAJ0XQqgejeif1VHostHJhP/UugkLQACcDe1D K2CaVGRWS36lv5FGRE8d/uk= =pt/W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 09:36:59AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. The LANG variable sets the user's locale, which tells the system what language and local conventions for things like time, money, numbers, etc. the user prefers to use. The primary importance of this is to tell the system what character set the user is using (and therefore what characters the user can see on terminals, and such.) Modern systems are moving to UTF-8 environments, which makes the language part mostly irrelevant; Still very relevant, because it is used to tell the application which language to use when printing messages. Applications written by unilingual programmers usually ignore this, but things like OpenOffice are capable of reacting to it significantly. it can display (almost) all characters in all supported languages, regardless of what language the user is using. However, ancient Unix systems used a locale of 'C', which uses the character set US-ASCII, and sorts things (like directory entries, for example) according to the ASCII sequence of characters. See the man page for locale in seciont 5 of the man pages for details: $ man 5 locale -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 09:36:59AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: [snip] Still very relevant, because it is used to tell the application which language to use when printing messages. Applications written by unilingual programmers usually ignore this, but things Life was so much simpler in 1989. COBOL, VSAM, Embedded SQL, the occasional CICS app. You had the 255 characters that IBM wanted you to have, India was still a back-water socialist stagnant economy, PRC was trying and failing to break out, the Sovs were stealing VAXen. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEntIrS9HxQb37XmcRAujHAJ91G/8rDq4CHlS5dmgQOKbx6+GHtgCgyoLT aK8Ceq0njKZ407VjejNkEKI= =0Ke7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 10:48 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? You can use xmodmap for that. I'm using Alt Gr + e to produce the Euro symbol. I created a file named ~/.xmodmap and i'm loading it whenever X starts up using xmodmap. The file looks like that: keycode 113 = Mode_switch # ... stuff to create the german umlauts keycode 26 = e E EuroSign Hth, Lothar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 10:48 -0500, Ron Johnson a écrit : When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Multi_key = e gives € Multi_key + - gives ± ... P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? No idea. Regards, T. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 10:48 -0500, Ron Johnson a écrit : When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? Multi_key = e gives € Multi_key + - gives ± ... And the Multi_key is? P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? No idea. Regards, T. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnutbS9HxQb37XmcRAg20AJ45JuNbepb1yq+9igSnv/tIndvMHgCgpv67 vXJ5MILMx3sfFd14dgacV1M= =1rBh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lothar Braun wrote: On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 10:48 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? You can use xmodmap for that. I'm using Alt Gr + e to produce the Euro symbol. I created a file named ~/.xmodmap and i'm loading it whenever X starts up using xmodmap. The file looks like that: keycode 113 = Mode_switch # ... stuff to create the german umlauts keycode 26 = e E EuroSign Thanks. What's Alt *Gr*? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnuuFS9HxQb37XmcRArFOAKCV0hlCild//DSd2uLiA/AKbeZfpwCguqvL XeCOme4XKjpJ1n+krm1WLao= =P1c4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Ron Johnson wrote: When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have happened. P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? One key on your keyboard might be set aside for composing foreign characters; this is called the Compose key. To enter a Euro (€) symbol in an X application, hit Compose =e. P.P.S. - How do you do the same from the console? On my system (Debian Sarge), I hit Right-Alt e to get the Euro. For some programs, it helps to use a character encoding that contains the Euro such as iso-8859-15 or utf-8. BTW, my X subsystem didn't define a compose key, so I had to add one using xmodmap. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 15:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Thanks. What's Alt *Gr*? Oh. That's the right alt-key on German keyboards. -- Lothar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Ron Johnson wrote: Thibaut Paumard wrote: Multi_key = e gives € Multi_key + - gives ± ... And the Multi_key is? You define the Multi_key using xmodmap. I used the program xev to discover that the right windows key on my keyboard generates a keycode of 116, and I'm not using Windows, so I can make it a Multi_key like this: xmodmap -e 'keycode 116 = Multi_key' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
Ron Johnson wrote: Thanks. What's Alt *Gr*? Right-Alt key -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mumia W. wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Thanks. What's Alt *Gr*? Right-Alt key Of course, how silly of me! :P - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnvk1S9HxQb37XmcRAgh6AKDLMIALy8Fu1ayEc8gWjwPif3nKVACgqV0y Sjh6QCzmuCdFJHW1/8S5m4I= =6hfR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does this mean (A SMART error of hard disk)?
Hi list, The following message was reported by smartd daemon several times, it seems to be a hard disk error, but does this mean I should purchase a new disk as soon as possible? I checked the log file but got nothing. The message: * This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on: host name: inspiration DNS domain: localdomain NIS domain: (none) The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon: Device: /dev/hda, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors For details see host's SYSLOG (default: /var/log/messages). You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation. No additional email messages about this problem will be sent. * Thank you! -- Wang Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does this mean (A SMART error of hard disk)?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 08:13:21PM +0800, Wang Xu wrote: The following message was reported by smartd daemon several times, it seems to be a hard disk error, but does this mean I should purchase a new disk as soon as possible? It means that a sector of your disk was unreadable, probably due to damage. If it ever manages to read this sector, or the sector is written to, then it should reallocate the sector and mark the existing one as bad. So, you could possibly find out which sector it is and try to overwrite it. Using smartctl -a /dev/hda will give more information, and the SMART self-tests may also help. However, the problem is likely to get worse, possibly catastrophically so in a short period of time, so if I were you I would be buying a new disk now and removing that one from my software RAID set. Cheers, Andy -- http://strugglers.net/wiki/Xen_hosting -- A Xen VPS hosting hobby Encrypted mail welcome - keyid 0x604DE5DB signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Sunset Announcement for Fx/Tb 1.0.x and Mozilla Suite 1.7.x -- what does it mean to sarge?
mozilla developer center announced 'sunset' for mozilla 1.7.x and Firefox 1.0.x etc. ie. these won't be supported by mozilla any more. http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2006/04/12/sunset-announcement-for-fxtb-10x-and-mozilla-suite-17x/ What does this mean for mozilla, firefox and thunderbird in *sarge*? Assuming there are vulnerablities discovered, will sarge (silently) move to Firefox 1.5.x etc or will all problems be backported? I just guess it'll be rather hard to backport any security issues to sarge, when the upstream version doesn't exist any more. What was the conclusion from http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/07/msg00315.html On stable workstations what is better: - use seldomly fixed mozilla* from stable - risk upgrade problems and use mozilla* from backports.org Just curious. Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Older Mozilla not supported anymore (was: Re: Sunset Announcement for Fx/Tb 1.0.x and Mozilla Suite 1.7.x -- what does it mean to sarge?)
On Apr 26 2006, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: mozilla developer center announced 'sunset' for mozilla 1.7.x and Firefox 1.0.x etc. ie. these won't be supported by mozilla any more. Thank you very much for this information, Johannes. What does this mean for mozilla, firefox and thunderbird in *sarge*? Assuming there are vulnerablities discovered, will sarge (silently) move to Firefox 1.5.x etc or will all problems be backported? This whole mozilla thing is turning to be a nightmare, with zillions projects (side-projects?). Anyway, I am not able to perform everything with Firefox 1.5 that I could with Firefox 1.0 (I'm using testing). One of these things is the ability to generate postscript files with Times/Helvetica/Courier only. Firefox 1.0 did this by default. I would appreciate if anybody could help here. Trying to set the hidden preference that the fonts shouldn't be downloaded don't work. I don't know why. And, if I understand it correctly, Firefox 1.5 is already with its days counted, as it seems that the trend now is to use the base for applications called xulrunner (already packaged in Debian and present in testing the last time I checked). I just guess it'll be rather hard to backport any security issues to sarge, when the upstream version doesn't exist any more. Yes, this is a similar problem to the one faced by people using proprietary software, when the support for the version you use is dropped. Backporting fixes will be an herculean task, indeed. Regards, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does it mean in the kern.log ?
Hi List! I find periodically such enties in the kern.log. What do they mean? I use sarge with teh official kernel: 2.6.8-2-k7. Kern.log extract: May 22 12:31:25 atilla kernel: Redirect from 212.92.23.1 on eth0 about 212.92.23.13 ignored. May 22 12:31:25 atilla kernel: Advised path = 212.92.23.238 - 84.21.19.1, tos 00 == THX Akos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does it mean: [3ware 3DM alert -- host: debpro]
Anyone know what this means? Original Message Subject: 3ware 3DM alert -- host: debpro Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:31:45 +0200 (CEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: Drive sector ECC error corrected on port 0 on controller ID:0. (0x23) source: debpro -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does -bf mean?
Dear Sirs, Could you explain what does -bf mean in the file-name like parted-bf_1.4.24-4.woody.1_i386.deb in the directory http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/parted; and maybe in GeForce4 MX440 with kernel 2.4.18-bf24 on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200311/msg00023.html;. Regards, Cyril, Esq. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does -bf mean?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:16:06PM +0300, Cyril said Dear Sirs, Could you explain what does -bf mean in the file-name like parted-bf_1.4.24-4.woody.1_i386.deb in the directory http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/parted; and maybe in GeForce4 MX440 with kernel 2.4.18-bf24 on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200311/msg00023.html;. boot-floppies, the name of potato and woody's installer. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: Geraldton infowar BRLO ASIO Khaddafi MD5 Elvis enigma signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What does -bf mean?
Hello Cyril ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Could you explain what does -bf mean in the file-name like parted-bf_1.4.24-4.woody.1_i386.deb in the directory http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/parted; and maybe in GeForce4 MX440 with kernel 2.4.18-bf24 on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200311/msg00023.html;. Description from parted-bf: This package is similar to the big parted package, but has less cosmetic features resulting in smaller binary. Intended to be used on boot floppies. bf means boot floppies, 2.4.18-bf2.4 is the 2.4 installation kernel. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does 3 mean? 2.4.20-3-k7
Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for that kind of questions. On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 05:22:00PM -0700, Shaun Jackman wrote: 2.4.20 is the Linux kernel version. k7 means optimise for Athlon. What does 3 mean? It is the fourth binary-incompatible (as far as modules are concerned, not userspace, obviously) release of Linux 2.4.20 for Debian. -- Lionel signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Syslog message: kernel: memory : d6abe3a0. What does that mean?
Hi all! I got a little afaraid that I have bad memory, after I saw some of those messages (like int the subject) in the syslog. after running memtest86 (which reported that there's no problem), I can't imagine what this thing is? Can anybody help? Thanks, David --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 - Release Date: 1/9/2003 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim error: What does it mean?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What does this mean? # /usr/sbin/exim -v -M 17MVAm-0002nz-00 delivering message 17MVAm-0002nz-00 LOG: 0 MAIN PANIC DIE Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Baloo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9FzL7NtWkM9Ny9xURAjWxAJ96RLJnY4WykSan6dnOoRbIHOJQywCeIAfj TgKSbxl8RBBJZOshKI3aElI= =7iXh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim error: What does it mean?
If there are any mailing list and exim experts out there I would appreciate a second set of eyeballs on what I've done. Quoting Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Jun 24 07:55: What does this mean? # /usr/sbin/exim -v -M 17MVAm-0002nz-00 delivering message 17MVAm-0002nz-00 LOG: 0 MAIN PANIC DIE Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a google search I managed to piece together something that worked. First, I moved all of the sympa specific aliases into a separate aliases file (/etc/aliases.sympa). Then I added the following to exim's 'TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION' section: - Begin TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION - sympa_list_pipe: driver = pipe user = sympa group = sympa return_fail_output - End TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION - And this to exim's 'DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION' section: - Begin DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION - sympa_lists: driver = aliasfile search_type = lsearch file = /etc/aliases.sympa pipe_transport = sympa_list_pipe - End DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION - I put the above after the system_aliases: and before the userforward: sections. I had to take the domain part out of the aliases (that is, the part to the left of the colon) in /etc/aliases.sympa in order to get it to work. I believe there is an option in the exim config that will allow domains in the alias file but I don't know what it is. My /etc/aliases.sympa looks like this: - Begin aliases.sympa - #-- SYMPA begin ## Aliases used for the sympa mailing-list manager sympa: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue sympa sympa-request: postmaster sympa-owner: postmaster listmaster: postmaster #-- SYMPA end #- [EMAIL PROTECTED] sympa-test: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] sympa-test-request: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] sympa-test-owner: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/bouncequeue sympa-test sympa-test-unsubscribe: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] sympa-test-subscribe: | /usr/lib/sympa/bin/queue [EMAIL PROTECTED] # - End aliases.sympa - Hope this helps, Omen -- The first myth of management is that it exists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
