Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: 1. ftp is still missing from the base install set. This makes it difficult to install a custom compiled kernel. Actually impossible if you don't have your kernel available on an nfs mount or floppy disk. Don't know what you mean. I used the original rex disks to install and I was able to install the whole system by dpkg-ftp, and I was able to ftp to any machine I wanted to. /usr/bin/ftp, the command line ftp client. not dpkg-ftp. I have used that too, thats how I tested if the networking was working. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
From: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp is still missing from the base install set. Might not get fixed in 1.2, I'm out of space. MBR doesn't work for me. No matter what I do, I can not get a machine to boot linux from the hard disk if MBR is in the master boot record. Can you figure out why? I can put the chroot-ed shell environment in the menu. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: MBR doesn't work for me. No matter what I do, I can not get a machine to boot linux from the hard disk if MBR is in the master boot record. Can you figure out why? What BIOS do you have? (Brand and bios date) I think this may end up being the cause of this problem... but if its not, don't hold me to it. :) -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jax-inter.net/users/servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: MBR doesn't work for me. No matter what I do, I can not get a machine to boot linux from the hard disk if MBR is in the master boot record. Can you figure out why? no, the only thing remaining for me to try is to NOT use the Maximise option in cfdisk when creating the / partition. Do you normally use that option? I did try it yesterday when I built the last server but ended up figuring out how to do the chroot lilo thing before I rebooted, so it never got tested. Next time I build a debian box I'll try that and let you know if it makes any difference. i've built all the machines i currently need for work but my father has been hassling me to build the linux internet gateway box that i've been promising him for months...with any luck i'll have the time to build that on the weekend. After working 12+ hour days all week staring at screens it's hard to summon up much enthusiasm for doing more of the same on the weekends :-( I can put the chroot-ed shell environment in the menu. cool. craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Craig Sanders wrote: this fixes most of the problems i had with the 1996-12-7 set. I'm still having a few problems with the new disks: 1. ftp is still missing from the base install set. This makes it difficult to install a custom compiled kernel. Actually impossible if you don't have your kernel available on an nfs mount or floppy disk. Don't know what you mean. I used the original rex disks to install and I was able to install the whole system by dpkg-ftp, and I was able to ftp to any machine I wanted to. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Daniel Stringfield wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: MBR doesn't work for me. No matter what I do, I can not get a machine to boot linux from the hard disk if MBR is in the master boot record. Can you figure out why? What BIOS do you have? (Brand and bios date) I think this may end up being the cause of this problem... but if its not, don't hold me to it. :) i've had the dubious pleasure of running into the same problem on a variety of machines (mainly because the hardware supplier seems completely unable to provide the same motherboards in each new batch of machines). 486 motherboards are starting to be hard to get...a shame, 486s or amd 586s are perfectly suited to what i'm builing these boxes for (dialin servers for staff students at various schools)...Pentium would be overkill and significantly more expensive. There have been a few pentium boxes. award bios. The 6 most recent boxes (5 built and installed on site since monday - a busy week!) have all been AMD 586-133 machines. Some with Award bios, some with Phoenix bios, and some with the bletcherous AMI graphical bios. All motherboards have been PCI. Some Plug'n'Pray. MBR hasn't worked on *any* of them. In other words there is such a complete failure to work on any of the machine I've tried it on that I must admit to being a little surprised that MBR works for anyone. But, nobody else seems to be reporting any problems with it so it must be something i'm doing. I remember that MBR used to work on the first debian 0.97 or was it 1.1 machines that I built. I suspect it may be the Maximise partition option in cfdisk. Partly because it's the only thing i can think of which might be doing weird things to the partition table and partly because i remember that i used to use normal fdisk which didn't have that option. I'll try it without this in a few days. Craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: 1. ftp is still missing from the base install set. This makes it difficult to install a custom compiled kernel. Actually impossible if you don't have your kernel available on an nfs mount or floppy disk. Don't know what you mean. I used the original rex disks to install and I was able to install the whole system by dpkg-ftp, and I was able to ftp to any machine I wanted to. /usr/bin/ftp, the command line ftp client. not dpkg-ftp. i don't use dpkg-ftp at all. no need to, i mirror debian and it's much more convenient to nfs mount my debian archive onto the build system to do the install. craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Craig Sanders wrote: i've had the dubious pleasure of running into the same problem on a variety of machines (mainly because the hardware supplier seems completely unable to provide the same motherboards in each new batch of machines). 486 motherboards are starting to be hard to get...a shame, 486s or amd 586s are perfectly suited to what i'm builing these boxes for (dialin servers for staff students at various schools)...Pentium would be overkill and significantly more expensive. There have been a few pentium boxes. award bios. The 6 most recent boxes (5 built and installed on site since monday - a busy week!) have all been AMD 586-133 machines. Some with Award bios, some with Phoenix bios, and some with the bletcherous AMI graphical bios. All motherboards have been PCI. Some Plug'n'Pray. MBR hasn't worked on *any* of them. In other words there is such a complete failure to work on any of the machine I've tried it on that I must admit to being a little surprised that MBR works for anyone. But, nobody else seems to be reporting any problems with it so it must be something i'm doing. I remember that MBR used to work on the first debian 0.97 or was it 1.1 machines that I built. I suspect it may be the Maximise partition option in cfdisk. Partly because it's the only thing i can think of which might be doing weird things to the partition table and partly because i remember that i used to use normal fdisk which didn't have that option. I'll try it without this in a few days. If you want a consistant supply of hardware, WE can do it. :) I work for SOAR Technology. We only deal with two motherboards for 486's... (each from two different distributors, both local to us.) One is a vesa local. and the other is pci. (vesa hard to get) We love the AMD cpu's.. about 95 bucks a piece for the pci boards. :) Quantity pricing is available. Anyway, it might just be the maximise.. I ran a maximized partition on a system with MBR, with version .99 of debian, that I upgraded to 1.1.? so.. hmm.. I sold that system though... (it was a nameserver on my network, and didn't really want it because it was slow.) :) I'm going to install a p133 server with debian 1.2 in a day or so. (deciding on what hard drive to through in it) I'll try the MBR with maximise. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jax-inter.net/users/servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to get a bash shell with the new install floppies (Re: new boot floppies being uploaded)
I'd submit the following as a bug report, but i don't know what package/version to assign it to. IMO that should be documented on the installation disks, a notice saying if you find any bugs then send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following details:. On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: I am uploading a new boot floppy set 1996-12-8. Fixed are: The inittab bug. The sysvinit package changed and I didn't notice. modconf complaints about tset, * in ipv4 menu, bad drawing in fs menu. /dev/MAKEDEV complained about its configuration file. /root/.bashrc missing. this fixes most of the problems i had with the 1996-12-7 set. I'm still having a few problems with the new disks: 1. ftp is still missing from the base install set. This makes it difficult to install a custom compiled kernel. Actually impossible if you don't have your kernel available on an nfs mount or floppy disk. Also, there are some circumstances where it is necessary or convenient to install a custom package before running dselect (e.g. a custom-built package to preconfigure the defaults config files which subsequent packages expect). ftp would make that a lot easier. 2. MBR doesn't work for me. No matter what I do, I can not get a machine to boot linux from the hard disk if MBR is in the master boot record. This is consistent - it's happened on at least the last 10 or so debian machines i've built (mostly AMD 586-133 pci boxes with IDE drives, but also some 486 pentium machines...some with aha1540 or aha2940 or ncr53c810 cards and scsi drives). Note, this is not new with debian 1.2 - it also happened with 1.1 unstable over the last few months. Fortunately, I've figured out a workaround which may be useful to others: After the base disks have been installed onto /target, do the following: - press Alt-F2 and press Return to get a sh prompt on tty2. - type: cd /target export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/target/lib:/target/usr/lib ./usr/sbin/chroot /target this gets you a bash shell chrooted to /target. The environment is very similar to what you'd get after booting - except that NONE of the /etc/init.d/* scripts have been run. If you need networking at this point, for example, you'll have to run /etc/init.d/network yourself. The thing to remember is that you're working in a semi-configured environment. Don't expect things to work exactly as they would in normal circumstances. This is really only useful for whatever emergency hacks/fixes you need to get the system to boot. - From here you can use ae to edit /etc/lilo.conf to change the line boot=/dev/hda1 to boot=/dev/hda - run lilo to install lilo as the master boot record. Note, this is useful for more than just running LILO. You can use this bash chrooted environment to do pretty much anything you need to do before rebooting...including installing a new kernel_image if you have one on a floppy disk or nfs mount. If you need more virtual ttys you can open as many as you need with the open command. It would be nice if this was either documented with the disk set or if a sh script was included which made it easy - possibly as a menu option to invoke the chrooted bash shell on tty4 or tty5. craig the nitpicker (who is otherwise very happy with impressed by the new debian 1.2 install procedure...a great job, overall!) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new boot floppies being uploaded
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello. I had Debian 1.1 updated with many rex packages. I upgraded my kbd package from kbd_0.91-6.deb to kbd_0.91-12.deb and the following happened: My /etc/kbd/config CONSOLE=/dev/tty0 TERM=linux KEYMAP=es.map SOFTFONT=iso01.f16 disappeared! And now I don't have softfont on boot. (I'm unable to see España, for example) Will this be fixed before Debian 1.2? This is very important to almost every non-us Debian user. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBMq3Y9SqK7IlOjMLFAQGcsAP9GND8wpoY5easYlU8WUn+sUyuCWDe0Eu5 nEI4epjRqU5gMW0wbjHHUBSB4RclSN+kc5O0EIWfTGRM3xEjG5xF1F89jC3LJ5Zj LZL8PUEPgUfAyUDhRUurBaTq+qdgTOdtBP+IMQIw1/z/TdUpa2m7oYp8WfsvZ4dH DbUL6a6Jcho= =Hyg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new boot floppies being uploaded
The configuration file is changed - I think you have to copy /usr/lib/keymaps/es.map into /etc/kbd/default.map . I'm surprised the package didn't do this for you while upgrading. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
new boot floppies being uploaded
I am uploading a new boot floppy set 1996-12-8. Fixed are: The inittab bug. The sysvinit package changed and I didn't notice. modconf complaints about tset, * in ipv4 menu, bad drawing in fs menu. /dev/MAKEDEV complained about its configuration file. /root/.bashrc missing. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new boot floppies
Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been merged into dselect? That would be good. No. 'dpkg-ftp' is a method for dselect to read from an FTP site in much the same way that it would read from an NFS mount or CD-ROM. This seems only fair since 'dftp' has added the ability to run from NFS mount and CD-ROM. :-) [ check out the --pkgpath option ] Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
Re: new boot floppies
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dselect's FTP method Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been merged into dselect? That would be good. Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: +1-415-854-1857 fax: +1-415-854-3195 Say it with MIME. Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs. If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.
Re: new boot floppies
Does this imply that dftp (or the functionality thereof) has been merged into dselect? That would be good. There is an experimental package called dpkg-ftp which provides dselect with another installation method called ftp. When you install this, you can select the ftp installation method in the installation methods menu, and then dselect will get the Packages file and all requested packages via FTP instead of requiring you to move them by yourself. This is really cool when it works correctly, but so far it's been less Than robust. That's what we are working on now. Another thing we're going to try is to provide the installation root and the base floppies in a publicly-readable NFS partition accessable via Internet. If you have a system on a LAN that has access to Internet, this will allow you to install Debian with exactly _one_ floppy, the boot floppy, because the root floppy will be mounted via NFS, the base floppies and kernel will be on that same NFS filesystem, and the dpkg-ftp method will work to get the rest of the system. Thanks Bruce -- Pixar's Toy Story: Over 1/3 Billion dollars world box office so far. Bruce Perens AB6YM [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.hams.com/
new boot floppies
New boot floppies are available in ftp://ftp.i-connect.net/debian/unstable/disks-i386/1996_6_2 . These will no doubt get to the mirror sites later today. Module configuration has been improved and dselect's FTP method might work once the base system has been installed (my test system didn't have a network, so I'm not sure about that). If you can, please perform a test installation witht these floppies. There is a new kernel in boot1440.bin, an old one in boot1200.bin (because the modules in newer kernels run a 1200K floppy out of space). I am going to have to split up the modules into two floppies, where the second one is only infrequently-needed ones, so that I can get newer kernels to work on _any_ size floppy. The latest kernel + modules.tgz even overflows a 1440K floppy. Thanks Bruce Perens -- Pixar's Toy Story: Over 1/3 Billion dollars world box office so far. Bruce Perens AB6YM [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.hams.com/
