Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/13/2017 01:56 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:


What I would do is remove the HD currently
installed, temporarily install some other HD,
install Windows on that, install the BIOS
update, then reinstall the original HD that
has Debian already installed.


Why not install XP, apply the upgrade, and
install Debian? Isn't that less work than the
separate HD idea?


There is a Windows XP Live iso(Hiren's Boot CD) on the net with all the 
tools one would need to upgrade the bios and many other things and it's 
free and neutered too.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

David Wright wrote:

> Perhaps someone (me?) needs to explain that
> when you do what Brian asks, nothing happens
> to the installation you've already done.
> The network configuration is done right near
> the start, before the partitioning and before
> the installation of anything on the
> computer's disks. You're just carrying out
> the preliminaries.
>
> So you can do it right now. When done, either
> select the menu selection to abandon the
> install, or just hard power-off the machine.

OK! You were right, I didn't know that.

Ironic thing is, I went to do this in another
building, and there, the DHCP didn't fail with
ordinary Ethernet! So I just installed the
system. Remember first thing I said with
another Debian computer, Ethernet worked, only
I had to do 'dhclient eth0' every time?
Perhaps that was what didn't make DHCP possible
on the install machine. With this other
connection, there were no problems! God willing
everything will run fine from now on.
Thanks for all the help :)

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[David Wright]

On Fri 13 Oct 2017 at 22:02:54 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> 
> > What does the installer tell you about the
> > network interfaces?
> 
> I didn't check that because when I installed it
> I tried the new tethered USB Ethernet idea and
> then the DHCP autoconfig didn't fail. I can
> check next time if the noapic idea
> doesn't work.

Perhaps someone (me?) needs to explain that when you do what
Brian asks, nothing happens to the installation you've already done.
The network configuration is done right near the start, before
the partitioning and before the installation of anything on
the computer's disks. You're just carrying out the preliminaries.

So you can do it right now. When done, either select the menu
selection to abandon the install, or just hard power-off the machine.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Tom Dial]

On 10/13/2017 09:02 AM, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 13-10-17, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>>
 I managed to install it by unplugging the
 Ethernet cable, moving the computer to
 another place, and instead using
 a smartphone with USB-tethering to provide
 Internet. Now one wonders, what will happen
 when I plug in an Ethernet cable once more
 and expect Internet to work? Will it?
>>>
>>> For the answer to these questions and more,
>>> be sure to tune in to the next installment of
>>> "Manny Does Debian."
>>
>> :)
>>
>>> You must upgrade to the newest BIOS, because
>>> the F.07< bioses, were known to have trouble
>>> with ethernet drivers in Linux (and also in
>>> Windows XP). After that you don't have to add
>>> `noacpi` options on boot, as it is said in
>>> some forums.
>>
>> Upgrade the BIOS? How do I do that?
>>
>> And how do I know if I have F.07 or less?
>>
>>> You do have an HP Compaq 6720s, right?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
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>>
> 
> I've checked it fast and it looks like that there is no BIOS updates to
> download for Linux for your model. But there are some for Windows XP.
> So, there are 2 possible solutions. One is to install M$ on some hard
> and to download and install BIOS update with it. After that get rid of
> that infection of operating system. Other solution would be to do
> something like this:
> 
> https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/How-to-update-BIOS-on-Linux/td-p/4869835

This procedure works fine on an HP EliteBook 8570w, and probably would
work the same on a Compaq. Several of the comments there give
informative explanatory material and describe the process pretty clearly.

Probably it's a good idea to upgrade the BIOS anyhow, as later revisions
have security fixes with some frequency.

> 
> Never did it on HP, so not sure how well it would go. But I know that
> method like that/similar to that was successful on Dell laptops before.
> As for how to find BIOS version, you can use dmidecode command, with
> root privs to find out.
> 
> Hope that this helps.
> 

Tom Dial

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Felix Miata]

Emanuel Berg composed on 2017-10-13 22:56 (UTC+0200):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> What I would do is remove the HD currently
>> installed, temporarily install some other HD,
>> install Windows on that, install the BIOS
>> update, then reinstall the original HD that
>> has Debian already installed.

> Why not install XP, apply the upgrade, and
> install Debian? Isn't that less work than the
> separate HD idea?
To me it's less work to not have an unsupported and unused operating system
wasting space otherwise available for FOSS. Windows is required exclusively for
getting that BIOS update installed.

Once a BIOS is upgraded, it stays upgraded. I generally use the very same old
40GB SATA HD for most BIOS updates, by copying downloaded update installer and
image files to its bootable DOS partition, and booting DOS to install the 
update.

>> Knowing how HP can make using FOSS software
>> so difficult, I probably never would have
>> bought an HP in the first place, unless
>> pre-owned, for an extremely low price, or for
>> free. The only HP I own was free.

> I got the laptop from a friend who wanted Linux
> on it.

Sometimes free isn't really.
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Felix Miata wrote:

> What I would do is remove the HD currently
> installed, temporarily install some other HD,
> install Windows on that, install the BIOS
> update, then reinstall the original HD that
> has Debian already installed.

Why not install XP, apply the upgrade, and
install Debian? Isn't that less work than the
separate HD idea?

> Knowing how HP can make using FOSS software
> so difficult, I probably never would have
> bought an HP in the first place, unless
> pre-owned, for an extremely low price, or for
> free. The only HP I own was free.

I got the laptop from a friend who wanted Linux
on it.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> It took you about a minute to write your
> response. It would take no more five minutes
> to get the information asked for.
> USB tethering and noapic are sideshows,

I don't have an Ethernet connection here.
I moved the computer. If I can get the
information post-installation, and no Ethernet,
tell me how and I'll do it.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Felix Miata]

Emanuel Berg composed on 2017-10-13 21:20 (UTC+0200):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-compaq-6720s-notebook-pc/3442832/swItemId/ob-66967-1

> An .exe file, is this the one you'd run after
> first installing Windows XP?
Yes.

> Then run it,
No. If possible, I'd follow the instructions that URL directs you to, to use HP 
System
Software Manager (SSM).


> and
> reinstall Debian? 

Reinstalling Debian would be a pointless extra step.

What I would do is remove the HD currently installed, temporarily install some
other HD, install Windows on that, install the BIOS update, then reinstall the
original HD that has Debian already installed.

Knowing how HP can make using FOSS software so difficult, I probably never would
have bought an HP in the first place, unless pre-owned, for an extremely low 
price,
or for free. The only HP I own was free. Upgrading its BIOS was similarly 
difficult,
but I did do it, to solve a problem similar to yours (bad ACPI), using 
instructions
not provided by HP that included using an extra HD.

> They mention "RedFlag Linux", which is unknown
> to me, however this doesn't sound like a distro
> issue so perhaps it can be made to work?
> RedFlag is a Chinese distro by the way, which
> isn't a Debian fork for a change but based on
> Red Hat [1].
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux 
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Fri 13 Oct 2017 at 22:02:54 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > What does the installer tell you about the
> > network interfaces?
> 
> I didn't check that because when I installed it
> I tried the new tethered USB Ethernet idea and
> then the DHCP autoconfig didn't fail. I can
> check next time if the noapic idea
> doesn't work.

It took you about a minute to write your response. It would take no more
five minutes to get the information asked for. USB tethering and noapic
are sideshows,

-- 
Brian.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Felix Miata]

Emanuel Berg composed on 2017-10-13 21:36 (UTC+0200):

>> OK, found it [1], in

>> /boot/grub/grub.conf

>> do "acpi=off", for example

>> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-194.el5 ro
>> root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet noapic
>> acpi=off

>> [1] https://access.redhat.com/solutions/58790

> Hm, perhaps that was RH specific, I don't even
> have that file. 

Unless you have a RedHat or RedHat variant of Grub Legacy installed,
you wouldn't. Standard Grub Legacy uses menu.lst. Grub2 uses grub.cfg.

> Better 

> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="noapic, nolapic"

> in

> /etc/default/grub

> then

> update-grub

> PS. What is "nolapic"? DS. 

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/torvalds/linux/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> What does the installer tell you about the
> network interfaces?

I didn't check that because when I installed it
I tried the new tethered USB Ethernet idea and
then the DHCP autoconfig didn't fail. I can
check next time if the noapic idea
doesn't work.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Fri 13 Oct 2017 at 21:10:52 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > There isn't a single bit of evidence from the
> > OP that there is an ethernet firmware issue.
> > When asked to provide information on what the
> > installer sees and what happens
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/10/msg00323.html
> >
> > he declined to provide it.
> >
> > He's poncing about.
> 
> ?

It means:

 > We surmise your computer is connected to a router by an ethernet cable.
 > Boot the installer in expert mode and go through the first two screens.
 > Say "no" to providing firmware (it all seems wireless related and you
 > have no desire for wireless). Eventually you will be asked for what
 > interface to use. We want to know everything you see on the screen at
 > that point.

 > Choose an interface and move on. Is this where it fails? Let us know
 > what you see. Stop, switch to console 2 and do 'more /var/log/syslog'.
 > Anything towards the end of that log?

What do you see? What does the installer tell you about the network
interfaces?

-- 
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

I wrote:

>> He might also like to try before flashing
>> the bios or buying new material the "noapic"
>> kernel boot parameter the linux laptop site
>> referred to in the notes (although I have no
>> idea whether it is a sensible, viable
>> workaround or not).
>
> OK, found it [1], in
>
> /boot/grub/grub.conf
>
> do "acpi=off", for example
>
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-194.el5 ro
> root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet noapic
> acpi=off
>
> [1] https://access.redhat.com/solutions/58790

Hm, perhaps that was RH specific, I don't even
have that file.

Better 

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="noapic, nolapic"

in

/etc/default/grub

then

update-grub

PS. What is "nolapic"? DS.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Felix Miata wrote:

> https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-compaq-6720s-notebook-pc/3442832/swItemId/ob-66967-1

An .exe file, is this the one you'd run after
first installing Windows XP? Then run it, and
reinstall Debian?

They mention "RedFlag Linux", which is unknown
to me, however this doesn't sound like a distro
issue so perhaps it can be made to work?
RedFlag is a Chinese distro by the way, which
isn't a Debian fork for a change but based on
Red Hat [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Curt wrote:

> He might also like to try before flashing the
> bios or buying new material the "noapic"
> kernel boot parameter the linux laptop site
> referred to in the notes (although I have no
> idea whether it is a sensible, viable
> workaround or not).

OK, found it [1], in

/boot/grub/grub.conf

do "acpi=off", for example

kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-194.el5 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet 
noapic acpi=off

[1] https://access.redhat.com/solutions/58790

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Curt wrote:

> He might also like to try before flashing the
> bios or buying new material the "noapic"
> kernel boot parameter the linux laptop site
> referred to in the notes (although I have no
> idea whether it is a sensible, viable
> workaround or not).

It sounds like something one would try before
doing the other stuff as that is perhaps
a bigger project? Can this be set from the
outside post-installation or do you tick that
during installation? Since I have just a clean
slate re-installing just Debian isn't
a big deal.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> There isn't a single bit of evidence from the
> OP that there is an ethernet firmware issue.
> When asked to provide information on what the
> installer sees and what happens
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/10/msg00323.html
>
> he declined to provide it.
>
> He's poncing about.

?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Michael Stone wrote:

> The thread got too long, so I'd forgotten
> what you'd meant by USB-ethernet. So yes, the
> thing you're doing works because it's not
> using the internet ethernet that has the
> firmware issue.

And by "firmware" you mean the "new" firmware
issue which is the DMI issue indicated by the
version, not the missing components that were
related to WiFi and originally incorrectly were
assumed (I thought so) to cause the
DHCP problem?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Felix Miata]

Emanuel Berg composed on 2017-10-13 16:26 (UTC+0200):

> Curt wrote:

>> You must upgrade to the newest BIOS, because
>> the F.07< bioses, were known to have trouble
>> with ethernet drivers in Linux (and also in
>> Windows XP). After that you don't have to add
>> `noacpi` options on boot, as it is said in
>> some forums.

> Upgrade the BIOS? How do I do that? 

https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-compaq-6720s-notebook-pc/3442832/swItemId/ob-66967-1

> And how do I know if I have F.07 or less?
>> You do have an HP Compaq 6720s, right?

> Yes.
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Curt]

On 2017-10-13, Michael Stone  wrote:
>>
>>So you are saying, it is likely
>>"cable Ethernet" doesn't work because of the
>>DMI being outdated, and "USB Ethernet" works
>>because it has nothing to do with the DMI?
>
> The thread got too long, so I'd forgotten what you'd meant by 
> USB-ethernet. So yes, the thing you're doing works because it's not 
> using the internet ethernet that has the firmware issue. I first thought 
> you mean something like this  
> http://www.cablematters.com/pc-447-101-cable-matters-superspeed-usb-30-to-rj45-gigabit-ethernet-adapter.aspx
>  
> which should also work fine and act as a normal ethernet adapter you can 
> just plug into your network, if you don't want to mess with updating the 
> firmware on the system to try to get the internal ethernet working.

He might also like to try before flashing the bios or buying new
material the "noapic" kernel boot parameter the linux laptop site
referred to in the notes (although I have no idea whether it is a
sensible, viable workaround or not).


> Mike Stone
>
>


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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Fri 13 Oct 2017 at 14:15:41 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:04:28PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > Michael Stone wrote:
> > 
> > > USB ethernet would not be affected, but will
> > > also be slower/more cpu-intensive than
> > > internal PCI/PCIe ethernet. If you're happy
> > > with how the USB ethernet is working, then
> > > just stick with it.
> > 
> > I'm not happy with it, or rather the guy who is
> > supposed to have the computer has an
> > Ethernet cable.
> > 
> > So you are saying, it is likely
> > "cable Ethernet" doesn't work because of the
> > DMI being outdated, and "USB Ethernet" works
> > because it has nothing to do with the DMI?
> 
> The thread got too long, so I'd forgotten what you'd meant by USB-ethernet.
> So yes, the thing you're doing works because it's not using the internet
> ethernet that has the firmware issue. I first thought you mean something
> like this  
> http://www.cablematters.com/pc-447-101-cable-matters-superspeed-usb-30-to-rj45-gigabit-ethernet-adapter.aspx
> which should also work fine and act as a normal ethernet adapter you can
> just plug into your network, if you don't want to mess with updating the
> firmware on the system to try to get the internal ethernet working.

There isn't a single bit of evidence from the OP that there is an
ethernet firmware issue. When asked to provide information on what
the installer sees and what happens

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/10/msg00323.html

he declined to provide it.

He's poncing about.

-- 
Brian.

  

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:04:28PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Michael Stone wrote:


USB ethernet would not be affected, but will
also be slower/more cpu-intensive than
internal PCI/PCIe ethernet. If you're happy
with how the USB ethernet is working, then
just stick with it.


I'm not happy with it, or rather the guy who is
supposed to have the computer has an
Ethernet cable.

So you are saying, it is likely
"cable Ethernet" doesn't work because of the
DMI being outdated, and "USB Ethernet" works
because it has nothing to do with the DMI?


The thread got too long, so I'd forgotten what you'd meant by 
USB-ethernet. So yes, the thing you're doing works because it's not 
using the internet ethernet that has the firmware issue. I first thought 
you mean something like this  
http://www.cablematters.com/pc-447-101-cable-matters-superspeed-usb-30-to-rj45-gigabit-ethernet-adapter.aspx 
which should also work fine and act as a normal ethernet adapter you can 
just plug into your network, if you don't want to mess with updating the 
firmware on the system to try to get the internal ethernet working.


Mike Stone

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Michael Stone wrote:

> USB ethernet would not be affected, but will
> also be slower/more cpu-intensive than
> internal PCI/PCIe ethernet. If you're happy
> with how the USB ethernet is working, then
> just stick with it.

I'm not happy with it, or rather the guy who is
supposed to have the computer has an
Ethernet cable.

So you are saying, it is likely
"cable Ethernet" doesn't work because of the
DMI being outdated, and "USB Ethernet" works
because it has nothing to do with the DMI?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 07:10:09PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Because, when they say "ethernet drivers",
does that refer to the physical Ethernet port
only? I'm asking because the USB-tethering
works with no problem. And that would seem like
much more recent technology? Isn't that
Ethernet as well? If it isn't, and it isn't
WiFi either, then what is it?


USB ethernet would not be affected, but will also be slower/more 
cpu-intensive than internal PCI/PCIe ethernet. If you're happy with how 
the USB ethernet is working, then just stick with it.


Mike Stone

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Dejan Jocic wrote:

>>> You must upgrade to the newest BIOS,
>>> because the F.07< bioses, were known to
>>> have trouble with ethernet drivers in Linux
>>> (and also in Windows XP). After that you
>>> don't have to add `noacpi` options on boot,
>>> as it is said in some forums.
>> 
>> Upgrade the BIOS? How do I do that?
>> 
>> And how do I know if I have F.07 or less?
>
> As for how to find BIOS version, you can use
> dmidecode command, with root privs to
> find out.

Oh, no! According to dmidecode, I have

[...]
BIOS Information
  Vendor: Hewlett-Packard
  Version: 68MDU Ver. F.05
  [...]

Does this mean I have to upgrade it?

Because, when they say "ethernet drivers",
does that refer to the physical Ethernet port
only? I'm asking because the USB-tethering
works with no problem. And that would seem like
much more recent technology? Isn't that
Ethernet as well? If it isn't, and it isn't
WiFi either, then what is it?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Dejan Jocic]

On 13-10-17, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> 
> >> I managed to install it by unplugging the
> >> Ethernet cable, moving the computer to
> >> another place, and instead using
> >> a smartphone with USB-tethering to provide
> >> Internet. Now one wonders, what will happen
> >> when I plug in an Ethernet cable once more
> >> and expect Internet to work? Will it?
> >
> > For the answer to these questions and more,
> > be sure to tune in to the next installment of
> > "Manny Does Debian."
> 
> :)
> 
> > You must upgrade to the newest BIOS, because
> > the F.07< bioses, were known to have trouble
> > with ethernet drivers in Linux (and also in
> > Windows XP). After that you don't have to add
> > `noacpi` options on boot, as it is said in
> > some forums.
> 
> Upgrade the BIOS? How do I do that?
> 
> And how do I know if I have F.07 or less?
> 
> > You do have an HP Compaq 6720s, right?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> -- 
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
> 

I've checked it fast and it looks like that there is no BIOS updates to
download for Linux for your model. But there are some for Windows XP.
So, there are 2 possible solutions. One is to install M$ on some hard
and to download and install BIOS update with it. After that get rid of
that infection of operating system. Other solution would be to do
something like this:

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/How-to-update-BIOS-on-Linux/td-p/4869835

Never did it on HP, so not sure how well it would go. But I know that
method like that/similar to that was successful on Dell laptops before.
As for how to find BIOS version, you can use dmidecode command, with
root privs to find out.

Hope that this helps.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Curt wrote:

>> I managed to install it by unplugging the
>> Ethernet cable, moving the computer to
>> another place, and instead using
>> a smartphone with USB-tethering to provide
>> Internet. Now one wonders, what will happen
>> when I plug in an Ethernet cable once more
>> and expect Internet to work? Will it?
>
> For the answer to these questions and more,
> be sure to tune in to the next installment of
> "Manny Does Debian."

:)

> You must upgrade to the newest BIOS, because
> the F.07< bioses, were known to have trouble
> with ethernet drivers in Linux (and also in
> Windows XP). After that you don't have to add
> `noacpi` options on boot, as it is said in
> some forums.

Upgrade the BIOS? How do I do that?

And how do I know if I have F.07 or less?

> You do have an HP Compaq 6720s, right?

Yes.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Curt]

On 2017-10-12, Emanuel Berg  wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>>
>> Choose an interface and move on. Is this
>> where it fails? Let us know what you see.
>> Stop, switch to console 2 and do 'more
>> /var/log/syslog'. Anything towards the end of
>> that log?
>
> I managed to install it by unplugging the
> Ethernet cable, moving the computer to another
> place, and instead using a smartphone with
> USB-tethering to provide Internet. Now one
> wonders, what will happen when I plug in an
> Ethernet cable once more and expect Internet
> to work? Will it?
>

For the answer to these questions and more, be sure to tune in to the
next installment of "Manny Does Debian."

But all seriousness aside I don't see many people having trouble with
the network card on this oldish laptop (82562GT 10/100 Network
Connection (driver:e1000)?

Here 

http://www.linlap.com/hp-compaq_6720s

it says: 

 Ethernet   Yes   With current BIOS works out of the box, else see Notes

The notes say:

 Ethernet

  You must upgrade to the newest BIOS, because the F.07< bioses, were
  known to have trouble with ethernet drivers in Linux (and also in
  Windows XP). After that you don't have to add `noacpi` options on boot,
  as it is said in some forums.

You do have an HP Compaq 6720s, right?

At any rate, good luck.

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Christopher Hitchens, commenting shortly after the nearly concurrent deaths 
of Lady Diana and Mother Theresa.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> In line with bw's suggestion you can now
> provide some hard information to base
> theories and solutions on.
>
> We surmise your computer is connected to
> a router by an ethernet cable. Boot the
> installer in expert mode and go through the
> first two screens. Say "no" to providing
> firmware (it all seems wireless related and
> you have no desire for wireless).
> Eventually you will be asked for what
> interface to use. We want to know everything
> you see on the screen at that point.
>
> Choose an interface and move on. Is this
> where it fails? Let us know what you see.
> Stop, switch to console 2 and do 'more
> /var/log/syslog'. Anything towards the end of
> that log?

I managed to install it by unplugging the
Ethernet cable, moving the computer to another
place, and instead using a smartphone with
USB-tethering to provide Internet. Now one
wonders, what will happen when I plug in an
Ethernet cable once more and expect Internet
to work? Will it?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Daniel Keast]

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 04:58:43PM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2017-10-09, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 08, 2017 05:07:13 PM bw wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> >> > Actually I don't care about wireless stuff, I always considered it
> >> > unreliable and error-prone and it seems at least in this case I was
> >> > correct :)
> >> 
> >> I know there is a legacy of this kind of thinking, but really Linux has
> >> come a LONG way in a very short time.  Right now millions, if not tens (or
> >> hundreds?) of millions of people are using wireless reliably and without
> >> error.  In any case, I hope you'll stick with the install and get the
> >> issue resolved and post a solution.
> >
> > Well, just the other thing that affects my thinking (iirc, this is the 
> > first 
> > time I chimed in on this thread)--I would just as soon have fewer 
> > electromagnetic waves passing through (or into) my body.
> 
> Do as I do, RH: avoid space travel when at all possible (ionizing
> variety of EM waves). I know, I know--you really don't feel like
> canceling those Mars vacation plans, but there you go.
> 
> Here's a balanced article on the subject (with a particular focus on the
> brain, my second favorite organ):
> 
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/

If mobile phones caused brain cancer, wouldn't brain cancer rantes have been
skyrocketing over the last couple of decades? Correlation doesn't imply
causation, but a lack of correlation surely implies a lack of causation.

The effects on concentration seem much mo... what was I saying again?

> > IIRC, the higher the frequency, the higher the energy in those waves--thus 
> > the 
> > more likely to have an effect.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> "A simpering Bambi narcissist and a thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf."
> Christopher Hitchens, commenting shortly after the nearly concurrent deaths 
> of Lady Diana and Mother Theresa.
> 

-- 
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Hatherleigh, UK


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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[John Hasler]

 rhkramer writes:
> IIRC, the higher the frequency, the higher the energy in those
> waves--thus the more likely to have an effect.

I take it that you live in total darkness, then.  But wait!  Everything
around you is emitting infrared, at *much* higher frequencies than any
radio! Eek!
-- 
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jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Curt]

On 2017-10-09, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Sunday, October 08, 2017 05:07:13 PM bw wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> > Actually I don't care about wireless stuff, I always considered it
>> > unreliable and error-prone and it seems at least in this case I was
>> > correct :)
>> 
>> I know there is a legacy of this kind of thinking, but really Linux has
>> come a LONG way in a very short time.  Right now millions, if not tens (or
>> hundreds?) of millions of people are using wireless reliably and without
>> error.  In any case, I hope you'll stick with the install and get the
>> issue resolved and post a solution.
>
> Well, just the other thing that affects my thinking (iirc, this is the first 
> time I chimed in on this thread)--I would just as soon have fewer 
> electromagnetic waves passing through (or into) my body.

Do as I do, RH: avoid space travel when at all possible (ionizing
variety of EM waves). I know, I know--you really don't feel like
canceling those Mars vacation plans, but there you go.

Here's a balanced article on the subject (with a particular focus on the
brain, my second favorite organ):

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/

> IIRC, the higher the frequency, the higher the energy in those waves--thus 
> the 
> more likely to have an effect.
>
>


-- 
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Christopher Hitchens, commenting shortly after the nearly concurrent deaths 
of Lady Diana and Mother Theresa.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[rhkramer]

On Sunday, October 08, 2017 05:07:13 PM bw wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > Actually I don't care about wireless stuff, I always considered it
> > unreliable and error-prone and it seems at least in this case I was
> > correct :)
> 
> I know there is a legacy of this kind of thinking, but really Linux has
> come a LONG way in a very short time.  Right now millions, if not tens (or
> hundreds?) of millions of people are using wireless reliably and without
> error.  In any case, I hope you'll stick with the install and get the
> issue resolved and post a solution.

Well, just the other thing that affects my thinking (iirc, this is the first 
time I chimed in on this thread)--I would just as soon have fewer 
electromagnetic waves passing through (or into) my body.

IIRC, the higher the frequency, the higher the energy in those waves--thus the 
more likely to have an effect.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> Two bites of the cherry.

I actually did have a strange feeling I had
been thru all this before - but I thought it
was in a previous life... Anyway that time
I don't think I ever got past the whole WiFi
misconception, so it looks more hopeful this
time, God willing.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 11:12 PM, anxious...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 06:50:03 UTC+1, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:



Is there some kind of man page or something to explain what foo.deb is
and or bar.deb is, because in my 20+ years googling or other ways I
don't understand.  If not I've been doing fine without knowing.  I will
say I probably got gdebi and dpkg -i mixed up, but I do know that #dpkg
-i (package name) will install the package if you cd to the directory
where the package is.  But you are probably right, I just don't know
what you're saying. To me bar is someplace where people go to talk about
foo.


Foo, bar and baz are metasyntactic variables, placeholders having similar 
functions to x and y in algebra. Wikipedia and The New Hackers Dictionary have 
good explanations and many further examples. See also FUBAR, but foo was in use 
before WW2.


I did see the relationship with algebra. I have never thought to look 
for a definition of those words/code(foo, bar and baz are meta-syntactic 
variables). I do hope I never have to use them, but if the occasion 
comes, I will try and comprehend how it works, also the apt-offline 
thing too. Thank you.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Darac Marjal]

On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 04:57:13PM -0400, bw wrote:



On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>
> > You will need to download the depends too and
> > then cd to the directory that holds the files
> > and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.
>
> OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
> the dir structure?

You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull in the
depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263




does not work that way here?

# ls
apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb  python-magic_5.30-1+deb9u1_all.deb
# dpkg -i apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb
Selecting previously unselected package apt-offline.
(Reading database ... 39715 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb ...
Unpacking apt-offline (1.7.2) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt-offline:
apt-offline depends on python-magic; however:
 Package python-magic is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package apt-offline (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
apt-offline



In the man page for dpkg, it reads:

-i, --install package-file...

This is common shorthand to read "The --install option (alternatively 
spelled '-i') must be followed by one *or more* arguments which will be 
assigned to the variable package-file". Emphasis mine. The ellipsis at 
the end states that the arguments can be repeated.


So, as has been stated dpkg won't pull in dependencies, but if you 
already have the dependencies to hand, you can tell dpkg to install them 
all and, as a bonus, it should work out which order to install them to 
satisfy dependecies.


dpkg -i /path/to/apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb 
/path/to/python-magic_5.30-1+deb9u1_all.deb

You can, of course, use any shell-shorthands that make sense such as:

dpkg -i /path/to/{apt-offline,python-magic}*.deb
dpkg -i /path/to/*.deb

etc.


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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[anxiousmac]

On Monday, 9 October 2017 06:50:03 UTC+1, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> 
> Is there some kind of man page or something to explain what foo.deb is 
> and or bar.deb is, because in my 20+ years googling or other ways I 
> don't understand.  If not I've been doing fine without knowing.  I will 
> say I probably got gdebi and dpkg -i mixed up, but I do know that #dpkg 
> -i (package name) will install the package if you cd to the directory 
> where the package is.  But you are probably right, I just don't know 
> what you're saying. To me bar is someplace where people go to talk about 
> foo.

Foo, bar and baz are metasyntactic variables, placeholders having similar 
functions to x and y in algebra. Wikipedia and The New Hackers Dictionary have 
good explanations and many further examples. See also FUBAR, but foo was in use 
before WW2.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 05:29 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 13:26:54 (-0700), Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


You will need to download the depends too and
then cd to the directory that holds the files
and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.


OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
the dir structure?


You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull
in the depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.


I've never seen dpkg pull in anything, and you can also give it
paths rather than filenames, ie
 # dpkg -i /anywhere/foo.deb
 it replies bar is not installed
 # dpkg -i /anywhere/foo.deb /somewhere/else/bar.deb
 and so on,
the poor man's dependency resolver.



Is there some kind of man page or something to explain what foo.deb is 
and or bar.deb is, because in my 20+ years googling or other ways I 
don't understand.  If not I've been doing fine without knowing.  I will 
say I probably got gdebi and dpkg -i mixed up, but I do know that #dpkg 
-i (package name) will install the package if you cd to the directory 
where the package is.  But you are probably right, I just don't know 
what you're saying. To me bar is someplace where people go to talk about 
foo, I just don't go there so I'm not clear on what they are talking 
about, cause I don't go to bar, but give me a few shots of tequila and 
then you can take me to bar where I could probably talk your head off 
about foo and we can pretend we understand each other.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - KDE Plasma 5.10.5 - Intel i7-3540M - EXT4 at sda8
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[David Wright]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 13:26:54 (-0700), Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> >Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >
> >>You will need to download the depends too and
> >>then cd to the directory that holds the files
> >>and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.
> >
> >OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
> >the dir structure?
> 
> You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull
> in the depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.

I've never seen dpkg pull in anything, and you can also give it
paths rather than filenames, ie
# dpkg -i /anywhere/foo.deb
it replies bar is not installed
# dpkg -i /anywhere/foo.deb /somewhere/else/bar.deb
and so on,
the poor man's dependency resolver.

Cheers,
David.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 09:07 AM, Brian wrote:

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 17:28:31 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:


Brian wrote:


Install using the ethernet connection on the
machine. Then sort out the WiFi.


Ethernet doesn't work either! After the
firmware issue is brought up, the DHCP autoconf
fails. You are saying this isn't related to the
missing firmware?

If the firmware is only for WiFi, then it is
a whole other issue because I don't care
about WiFi!

Why doesn't Ethernet (DHCP autoconf) work?


I erroneously assumed you were installing over wireless because
firmware for a wireless chip was asked for. Very silly of me.
I have a feeling most of us had the same assumption. Why the installer 
did not configure a wired connection is beyond me, I'm out..

--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 01:57 PM, bw wrote:



On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


You will need to download the depends too and
then cd to the directory that holds the files
and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.


OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
the dir structure?


You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull in the
depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263




does not work that way here?

# ls
apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb  python-magic_5.30-1+deb9u1_all.deb
# dpkg -i apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb
Selecting previously unselected package apt-offline.
(Reading database ... 39715 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb ...
Unpacking apt-offline (1.7.2) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt-offline:
  apt-offline depends on python-magic; however:
   Package python-magic is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package apt-offline (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
  apt-offline
I've never used apt-offline, it sounds like package gdebi, anyways the 
packages need to be available and in the same directory, but to fix the 
problem you describe is as simple as #dpkg -i (the missing package/s) 
once you have downloaded them and put them in the directory you are 
installing from.

--
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Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 23:34:55 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > As for following up with a solution - don't
> > keep your hopes high.
> 
> ?

Two bites of the cherry.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg00457.html

-- 
Brian.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> As for following up with a solution - don't
> keep your hopes high.

?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 17:07:13 -0400, bw wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> 
> > Actually I don't care about wireless stuff, I always considered it 
> > unreliable and error-prone and it seems at least in this case I was 
> > correct :)
> 
> I know there is a legacy of this kind of thinking, but really Linux has 
> come a LONG way in a very short time.  Right now millions, if not tens (or 
> hundreds?) of millions of people are using wireless reliably and without 
> error.  In any case, I hope you'll stick with the install and get the 
> issue resolved and post a solution.

You are very solicitous. He was not correct. Whatever problem he had had
nothing to do with wireless. Whatever makes you think it did?

As for following up with a solution - don't keep your hopes high.

-- 
Brian.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[bw]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > You will need to download the depends too and
> > > then cd to the directory that holds the files
> > > and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.
> > 
> > OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
> > the dir structure?
> 
> You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull in the
> depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.
> -- 
> Jimmy Johnson
> 
> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
> Registered Linux User #380263
> 
> 

does not work that way here?

# ls
apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb  python-magic_5.30-1+deb9u1_all.deb
# dpkg -i apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb 
Selecting previously unselected package apt-offline.
(Reading database ... 39715 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack apt-offline_1.7.2_all.deb ...
Unpacking apt-offline (1.7.2) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt-offline:
 apt-offline depends on python-magic; however:
  Package python-magic is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package apt-offline (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 apt-offline

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 07:14 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


You will need to download the depends too and
then cd to the directory that holds the files
and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.


Do I abort the OS installation to do this or do
I "complete" it without network support and
then patch it later?

That probably makes for less "depends work"!

However if I do it later, how do I run the
network autoconf (that was supposed to happen
as part of the OS installation) after
everything is in place?


What I described is for after the install, but if you can point the 
installer to the files it may install the files for you and that sounds 
the easy way.  If not install after.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 07:07 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


You will need to download the depends too and
then cd to the directory that holds the files
and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.


OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
the dir structure?


You should only need to install the one package and dpkg will pull in 
the depends and is why they need to be in the same directory.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> In line with bw's suggestion you can now
> provide some hard information to base
> theories and solutions on.
>
> We surmise your computer is connected to
> a router by an ethernet cable. Boot the
> installer in expert mode and go through the
> first two screens. Say "no" to providing
> firmware (it all seems wireless related and
> you have no desire for wireless).
> Eventually you will be asked for what
> interface to use. We want to know everything
> you see on the screen at that point.
>
> Choose an interface and move on. Is this
> where it fails? Let us know what you see.
> Stop, switch to console 2 and do 'more
> /var/log/syslog'. Anything towards the end of
> that log?

OK thanks a lot!

-- 
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http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 18:29:04 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > If "yes", the failure to get an IP address
> > via DHCP has nothing to do with missing
> > wireless chip firmware.
> 
> OK!
> 
> So any theories as to why that happens?!
> 
> I have another Debian computer there which
> doesn't have an Ethernet problem save for I run
> 'dhclient eth0' every time the computer is
> rebooted to get Internet back up.
> 
> It is the same connection, even the same
> cable :)

In line with bw's suggestion you can now provide some hard information
to base theories and solutions on.

We surmise your computer is connected to a router by an ethernet cable.
Boot the installer in expert mode and go through the first two screens.
Say "no" to providing firmware (it all seems wireless related and you
have no desire for wireless). Eventually you will be asked for what
interface to use. We want to know everything you see on the screen at
that point.

Choose an interface and move on. Is this where it fails? Let us know
what you see. Stop, switch to console 2 and do 'more /var/log/syslog'.
Anything towards the end of that log?

-- 
Brian.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

bw wrote:

> Also I did a quick search for Compaq 6720s
> and it the links I found don;t mention
> a broadcom device, it should have an intel
> wireless setup?

... okay?

Actually I don't care about wireless stuff,
I always considered it unreliable and
error-prone and it seems at least in this case
I was correct :)

-- 
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> If "yes", the failure to get an IP address
> via DHCP has nothing to do with missing
> wireless chip firmware.

OK!

So any theories as to why that happens?!

I have another Debian computer there which
doesn't have an Ethernet problem save for I run
'dhclient eth0' every time the computer is
rebooted to get Internet back up.

It is the same connection, even the same
cable :)

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 17:28:31 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > Install using the ethernet connection on the
> > machine. Then sort out the WiFi.
> 
> Ethernet doesn't work either! After the
> firmware issue is brought up, the DHCP autoconf
> fails. You are saying this isn't related to the
> missing firmware?
> 
> If the firmware is only for WiFi, then it is
> a whole other issue because I don't care
> about WiFi!
> 
> Why doesn't Ethernet (DHCP autoconf) work?

I erroneously assumed you were installing over wireless because
firmware for a wireless chip was asked for. Very silly of me. The
firmware question would still be asked if you were installing with
a cabled connection. (Were you?).

If "yes", the failure to get an IP address via DHCP has nothing to
do with missing wireless chip firmware.

-- 
Brian.

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> Install using the ethernet connection on the
> machine. Then sort out the WiFi.

Ethernet doesn't work either! After the
firmware issue is brought up, the DHCP autoconf
fails. You are saying this isn't related to the
missing firmware?

If the firmware is only for WiFi, then it is
a whole other issue because I don't care
about WiFi!

Why doesn't Ethernet (DHCP autoconf) work?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Curt]

On 2017-10-08, Emanuel Berg  wrote:
> Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>
>> You will need to download the depends too and
>> then cd to the directory that holds the files
>> and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.
>
> OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
> the dir structure?
>

I opened up the iso you downloaded and it seems the installer already
contains all the dependencies, because I see b43-fwcutter, bzip2, and,
of course, wget, which are the only three dependencies for the
firmware-b43-installer package, if that is indeed the one you need.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/08/2017 09:14 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


You will need to download the depends too and
then cd to the directory that holds the files
and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.


Do I abort the OS installation to do this or do
I "complete" it without network support and
then patch it later?

That probably makes for less "depends work"!

However if I do it later, how do I run the
network autoconf (that was supposed to happen
as part of the OS installation) after
everything is in place?



I'm not familiar with non-free problems.
However reading this thread that apt-offline maybe useful.
https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt-offline/apt-offline.8.en.html

Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 15:45:40 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
> 
> Thanks, however the installation guide says use
> the Internet to get it, and the reason that
> isn't working is the missing firmware!

Install using the ethernet connection on the machine. Then sort out the
WiFi.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> You will need to download the depends too and
> then cd to the directory that holds the files
> and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.

Do I abort the OS installation to do this or do
I "complete" it without network support and
then patch it later?

That probably makes for less "depends work"!

However if I do it later, how do I run the
network autoconf (that was supposed to happen
as part of the OS installation) after
everything is in place?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> You will need to download the depends too and
> then cd to the directory that holds the files
> and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.

Or do you mean install the depends the same
way? I hope they don't depend on too much as
well :)

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> You will need to download the depends too and
> then cd to the directory that holds the files
> and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.

OK. How should the depends be organized? I.e.,
the dir structure?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 06:48 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Jimmy Johnson wrote:


Is this what you are looking for:
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-b43-installer


Can I download that package with another
computer, install Debian without network
support, bring the installer over, and manually
install it without Internet?

If so, how?


You will need to download the depends too and then cd to the directory 
that holds the files and #dpkg -i (the package name) to install.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-b43-installer

The installer (the Debian installer on the
laptop) says I can insert a USB stick with the
missing firmware to patch the installation.

However it doesn't say in what form it should
come. Just having the files on the USB stick
didn't work.

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> Is this what you are looking for:
> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-b43-installer

Can I download that package with another
computer, install Debian without network
support, bring the installer over, and manually
install it without Internet?

If so, how?

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

Brian wrote:

> https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx

Thanks, however the installation guide says use
the Internet to get it, and the reason that
isn't working is the missing firmware!

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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[tomas]

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> Yes, that isn't included.  The firmware must be extracted from the 
> proprietary (windows?) driver from Broadcom.  It's possibly a legal hurdle 
> set up by the manufacturer?

Yeah. If anyone asks again why "free as in beer" isn't good, there you
have it.

Cheers
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/08/2017 12:46 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

First I downloaded this ISO:

 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-9.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

Then I burned it onto a CD-R, and booted into
the installer.

The computer is a HP Compaq 6720s laptop.

However the installer doesn't get far before it
says the network needs nonfree firmware, namely

 b43/ucode13.fw
 b43-open/ucode13.fw

Despite searching explicitly on the CD the
assessment stands.

After that, the network
auto-config/DHCP/connect fail.

What's going on? Is that firmware not included
even in the firmware edition of Debian?


Is this what you are looking for:
 https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-b43-installer
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Re: non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Brian]

On Sun 08 Oct 2017 at 09:46:19 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> First I downloaded this ISO:
> 
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-9.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> 
> Then I burned it onto a CD-R, and booted into
> the installer.
> 
> The computer is a HP Compaq 6720s laptop.
> 
> However the installer doesn't get far before it
> says the network needs nonfree firmware, namely
> 
> b43/ucode13.fw
> b43-open/ucode13.fw
> 
> Despite searching explicitly on the CD the
> assessment stands.
> 
> After that, the network
> auto-config/DHCP/connect fail.
> 
> What's going on? Is that firmware not included
> even in the firmware edition of Debian?

https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx

  > Firmware is not packaged by the Debian Project. It must be
  > downloaded and extracted, 

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non-free firmware not found despite unofficial CD

[Emanuel Berg]

First I downloaded this ISO:


https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-9.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

Then I burned it onto a CD-R, and booted into
the installer.

The computer is a HP Compaq 6720s laptop.

However the installer doesn't get far before it
says the network needs nonfree firmware, namely

b43/ucode13.fw
b43-open/ucode13.fw

Despite searching explicitly on the CD the
assessment stands.

After that, the network
auto-config/DHCP/connect fail.

What's going on? Is that firmware not included
even in the firmware edition of Debian?

TIA 

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