subject:"sound issues"


On 11/10/2012 15:21, Alejandro Santos wrote:

Hi,

I'm using Debian Wheezy Testing on both my desktop computer and my
Laptop. On the Laptop the sound works fine, but on the desktop I can't
play two or more sounds at the same time, for example while watching a
video on VLC, hitting pause, then opening a video on YouTube.

Other problem is: after watching a video on VLC and closing VLC, I
have to wait 20 seconds to open a new VLC program since otherwise the
sound coming out of the speakers will be garbage.


Hi, on Wheezy/Sid here I use Pulseaudio without problem. VLC is 
configured to output to pulse (vlc-plugin-pulse installed), works fine 
here, vlc and flash or anything else. I use KDE, did nothing special to 
make it work, only timidity gave me trouble but it was easily solved. 
User belongs to pulse group.


Since after killing the PulseAudio daemon with pulseaudio -k the
problems goes away, it is my strong opinion that this is a PulseAudio
issue.

My workaround so far was to remove the execution permissions on
PulseAdio with: chmod a-x /usr/bin/pulseaudio

I have two questions:

1. How can I debug this problem? I'd like to file an appropiate bug on
the corresponding bug tracker.

Make sure the problem really lies with Pulse.
You could start by dumping pulse config with --dump-conf, change log 
level (--log-level). Install debug packages.




2. I can't purge the package with aptitude purge pulseaudio since
the package pulseaudio is a dependency on gnome-core. After
killing PulseAudio, the sound works fine. I'm a software developer
myself, and I can't help keep asking myself, why is PulseAudio an
strong dependency on Gnome? What advantages does PulseAudio gives me
as a user over good ol' ALSA?



I can play a flash video or listen to the bbc player and watch a video 
in vlc at the same time. I can throw Amarok into the mix or use at the 
same time Tuxguitar outputting through timidity and vlc (nice to write 
tabs from a concert video ;-). I can just click on the kde mixer applet 
and adjust output volume for each application separately.
Record with a lightweight device and stream the sound to another 
powerful computer over the LAN to process it, and I am not even 
scratching the surface of what can be done with Pulse.
I have been defiant toward anything pulse for a long time as it used 
to screw things up out of the box more than often (in KDE in my case). 
I adopted it not long ago, and I would be sad going back. My only 
complaint is that it isn't trivial to make it play with jackd, but given 
the nature of jack and the rarity of this setup it's not surprising.




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Re: PulseAudio sound issues

2012-10-11 Thread Alejandro Santos

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 On Thu 11 Oct 2012 at 10:21:54 -0300, Alejandro Santos wrote:


 My workaround so far was to remove the execution permissions on
 PulseAdio with: chmod a-x /usr/bin/pulseaudio

 The Debian way:

update-rc.d pulseaudio disable


By default, PulseAudio is on Debian Wheezy configured not to start as
an init.d SysV daemon. That won't work.

 2. I can't purge the package with aptitude purge pulseaudio since
 the package pulseaudio is a dependency on gnome-core. After
 killing PulseAudio, the sound works fine. I'm a software developer
 myself, and I can't help keep asking myself, why is PulseAudio an
 strong dependency on Gnome? What advantages does PulseAudio gives me
 as a user over good ol' ALSA?

 I'm just a user and I ask myself, why install gnome-core when all the
 bits and pieces to make a customised GNOME are in the archive?


Since I am not a native English speaker I must be missing something in
the translation on my head. Can you explain further this comment?

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Re: PulseAudio sound issues

2012-10-11 Thread Alejandro Santos

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com
tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi, on Wheezy/Sid here I use Pulseaudio without problem. VLC is configured
 to output to pulse (vlc-plugin-pulse installed), works fine here, vlc and
 flash or anything else. I use KDE, did nothing special to make it work, only
 timidity gave me trouble but it was easily solved. User belongs to pulse
 group.


Before posting my initial message, I have actually read the
debian-user mailing list archives, and I know for a fact that
PulseAudio can generate some heated discussions.

I do know that PulseAudio works for most people. Thanks for your vote
of confidence. But please, don't transform this thread on
yet-anoter-X-software-is-{awesome/crap}. I want my sound working, and
I want to fix PulseAudio.

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Re: PulseAudio sound issues


On 11/10/2012 18:12, Alejandro Santos wrote:

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com
tv.deb...@googlemail.com  wrote:


Hi, on Wheezy/Sid here I use Pulseaudio without problem. VLC is configured
to output to pulse (vlc-plugin-pulse installed), works fine here, vlc and
flash or anything else. I use KDE, did nothing special to make it work, only
timidity gave me trouble but it was easily solved. User belongs to pulse
group.



Before posting my initial message, I have actually read the
debian-user mailing list archives, and I know for a fact that
PulseAudio can generate some heated discussions.

I do know that PulseAudio works for most people. Thanks for your vote
of confidence. But please, don't transform this thread on
yet-anoter-X-software-is-{awesome/crap}. I want my sound working, and
I want to fix PulseAudio.

Thanks again,



Wasn't my intention, was responding to :

I'm a software developer myself, and I can't help keep asking myself, 
why is PulseAudio an strong dependency on Gnome? What advantages does

  ^^^
PulseAudio gives me as a user over good ol' ALSA?


Kind of sounds as an invite for yet another a heated discussion over the 
merits of pulse... I tried to be factual, give clues of what could be 
missing in your setup, and did say in another part of the message that I 
wasn't a pulseaudio fanboy, just a currently happy user.


Sorry for polluting your thread with silly attempts to help you.


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Re: PulseAudio sound issues


On 11/10/2012 18:07, Alejandro Santos wrote:

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Briana...@cityscape.co.uk  wrote:

On Thu 11 Oct 2012 at 10:21:54 -0300, Alejandro Santos wrote:




[snip]

2. I can't purge the package with aptitude purge pulseaudio since
the package pulseaudio is a dependency on gnome-core. After
killing PulseAudio, the sound works fine. I'm a software developer
myself, and I can't help keep asking myself, why is PulseAudio an
strong dependency on Gnome? What advantages does PulseAudio gives me
as a user over good ol' ALSA?


I'm just a user and I ask myself, why install gnome-core when all the
bits and pieces to make a customised GNOME are in the archive?



Since I am not a native English speaker I must be missing something in
the translation on my head. Can you explain further this comment?

Thanks,



Not a native English speaker either, but what I understand is: don't 
install metapackages and then complain that they are crap-bags, use them 
as guidance to install what you really need among their dependencies.



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Re: PulseAudio sound issues

2012-10-11 Thread Ivan Shmakov

 Alejandro Santos lis...@alejolp.com writes:

[…]

  1. How can I debug this problem?  I'd like to file an appropiate bug
  on the corresponding bug tracker.

While I'm not a PulseAudio user myself, some of those I know use
it, so I'm somewhat interested in that, too.

(Thanks to Darac Marjal for his hints on P-A debugging elsewhere
in this thread, BTW.)

[…]

  I'm a software developer myself, and I can't help keep asking myself,
  why is PulseAudio an strong dependency on Gnome?  What advantages
  does PulseAudio gives me as a user over good ol' ALSA?

I remember playing with both GNOME and KDE back in 2000 or so.
Honestly, I still don't get what advantages do they give to me
over the good old “bunch of X applications” approach.

(Though I've discovered somewhat recently that there're a few
interesting Qt-based applications in Debian.  Previously,
anything depending on Qt was out of consideration for me.)

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Re: PulseAudio sound issues


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On 11/10/2012 19:20, Yaro Kasear wrote:

On 10/11/2012 12:10 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

On 11/10/2012 18:07, Alejandro Santos wrote:

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Briana...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

On Thu 11 Oct 2012 at 10:21:54 -0300, Alejandro Santos wrote:




[snip]

2. I can't purge the package with aptitude purge pulseaudio since
the package pulseaudio is a dependency on gnome-core. After
killing PulseAudio, the sound works fine. I'm a software developer
myself, and I can't help keep asking myself, why is PulseAudio an
strong dependency on Gnome? What advantages does PulseAudio gives me
as a user over good ol' ALSA?


I'm just a user and I ask myself, why install gnome-core when all the
bits and pieces to make a customised GNOME are in the archive?



Since I am not a native English speaker I must be missing something in
the translation on my head. Can you explain further this comment?

Thanks,



Not a native English speaker either, but what I understand is: don't
install metapackages and then complain that they are crap-bags, use
them as guidance to install what you really need among their
dependencies.



Fortunately if you don't use GNOME (Why anyone subjects themselves to 
GNOME 3 willingly is beyond me, but a different topic altogether. 
There's a very good reason why MATE forked off.), then you don't have to 
put up with Pulseaudio usually. It really is a pain to work with if you 
don't accept its default configurations, which have a 50% chance of 
guessing the ideal settings for your system wrong. Frankly I've always 
found that bare ALSA works fine in almost all cases, a far higher 
functionality rate than PA.




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Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com


 
  Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)
 
  IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps:
  killall pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl
 
  regards
  -r

 what you want meaning a complicated setup that allows WOW and Skype to
 co-exist - but requires you to fiddle with every upgrade, and more
 fiddling for every application that requires sound.

 With the greatest respect - though you've invested a great deal in the
 belief that pulseaudio is bad, it's not a belief shared by the upstream
 developers of most applications (or more importantly, Debian).

 PA doesn't stop you using JACK - it's one of many sound systems that
 work just fine *under* PA (I run Ardour). Contrary to some commentary -
 PA is just a foreman, not a wheelbarrow.

 There's a number of things that PA can do[*1], that [insert pet sound
 system here] can't do. The reverse is not true - because PA allows you
 to run [insert pet sound system here].

 Kind regards


Hi,

FOA, let's say I am not interested in starting a flame war nor arguing with
you or anybody else about jack vs pulse.


   -  jack and PA are completely different (
   http://jackaudio.org/pulseaudio_and_jack) so there's no use in listing
   what PA can and can not do
   -  jack is intended for audio pro but it can address low/high level
   tasks without fiddling with upgrades as you claim.
   - you run ardour but how many apps are you coupling with it? using
   jamin? hydrogen? guitarix? synth? well all those apps can be controlled and
   synced by jack with a high level of complexity in the connection graph. Can
   you do it with PA (answer to yourserlf)?
   - belive it or not, pulseaudio does not address pro audio needs
   - debian devs are right in using PA, they must aim at the average user


last: I have SUGGESTED hime to give it a try (killall pulseaudio != remove
pulseaudio)

[insert your favourite pet system sound here]

regards :-)
-r

Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 05/03/12 19:18, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
 2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com 
 mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)
 
 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps: killall
 pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl
 
snipped

 
 Hi,
 
 FOA, let's say I am not interested in starting a flame war

Good.

FWIW - I think JACK is a fine sound system, also ALSA, ESD, SDL and phonon.

 nor arguing with you or anybody else about jack vs pulse.

Good also.
I never said it was JACK vs. PA. I don't know where you got that from.
Read again - you can have both if you choose.

By default WOW and Skype both use ALSA. For the OP they still do -
except that Kelly has helped him get PA working properly to manage them.

 
 * �jack and PA are completely different

I never said they weren't. I'm not sure where you've got that idea from
either. Read again

 (http://jackaudio.org/pulseaudio_and_jack) so there's no use in 
 listing what PA can and can not do

The two things have nothing to do with each other.
I listed Pulse audio capabilities as a reason to, as the OP has since
done, fix it - instead of leaving it broken and using JACK in it's place.
I never said *don't* use JACK, only that you can have both.


 * �jack is intended for audio pro but it can address low/high level 
 tasks without fiddling with upgrades as you claim.

Debian now uses pulseaudio - using JACK in it's place will create
difficulties with upgrades.


 * you run ardour but how many apps are you coupling with it? using 
 jamin? hydrogen? guitarix? synth?

Relevance to fixing the Pulse audio configuration?

If you're doing a survey - the answer is as many as I need, and the
system, and JACK, can handle.

 well all those apps can be controlled and synced by jack with a high
 level of complexity in the connection graph. Can you do it with PA

I've never tried - why would I?  I do it with JACK.
PA doesn't interfere.


 * belive it or not, pulseaudio does not address pro audio needs

Nice strawman

I've never said it did. Read again.

Did the OP say anything about pro audio needs? I must of missed that
post... :-)

You do realise this is not 'your' usual, linuxaudio RT list, right? :-)

 * debian devs are right in using PA, they must aim at the average
 user

I don't know that they must do anything.
Certainly it seems they're aiming at the widest range of uses - which
would include more than just desktop users.

 
 
 last: I have SUGGESTED hime to give it a try (killall pulseaudio != 
 remove pulseaudio)

That was understood the first time. Your point being? What would be the
purpose of disabling an unconfigured and perfectly good sound system?

IMHO it's better to configure what's in place - which has been done.

You don't need audio plumbing to record Skype either - there's a package
for that.

He could also have just used ALSA... but the simplest solution to how
do I enable sound for WOW and Skype on his system was simply to
configure pulseaudio.

Pulseaudio in Debian is not great for everyone now. Rather than not make
use of all the work developers upstream, and in Debian, have put into it
- it would seem simpler to just fix it. (don't throw the baby out with
the bathwater)
Which is what Kelly did. The audio is great now.

 
 regards :-) -r


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Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com

 On 05/03/12 19:18, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
  2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com
  mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com
 
 
 
  Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)
 
  IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps: killall
  pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl
 
 snipped

 
  Hi,
 
  FOA, let's say I am not interested in starting a flame war

 Good.

 FWIW - I think JACK is a fine sound system, also ALSA, ESD, SDL and phonon.

  nor arguing with you or anybody else about jack vs pulse.

 Good also.
 I never said it was JACK vs. PA. I don't know where you got that from.
 Read again - you can have both if you choose.


it's a statement of mine, no need to read agian
BTW you can have both at your own risk



 By default WOW and Skype both use ALSA. For the OP they still do -
 except that Kelly has helped him get PA working properly to manage them.

 
  * �jack and PA are completely different

 I never said they weren't. I'm not sure where you've got that idea from
 either. Read again


again, it's a statement of mine, you never said that


  (http://jackaudio.org/pulseaudio_and_jack) so there's no use in
  listing what PA can and can not do

 The two things have nothing to do with each other.
 I listed Pulse audio capabilities as a reason to, as the OP has since
 done, fix it - instead of leaving it broken and using JACK in it's place.
 I never said *don't* use JACK, only that you can have both.



Combining PulseAudio and JACK on the same machine can be problematic.
There are several options, some of which leave PulseAudio and JACK as
entirely separate systems with no audio flow between them. Others connect
them so that audio from one of them can be heard via the other.



  * �jack is intended for audio pro but it can address low/high level
  tasks without fiddling with upgrades as you claim.

 Debian now uses pulseaudio - using JACK in it's place will create
 difficulties with upgrades.


you should explain or send a bug report to debian devs then


  * you run ardour but how many apps are you coupling with it? using
  jamin? hydrogen? guitarix? synth?

 Relevance to fixing the Pulse audio configuration?


you claimed jack works just fine under PA because you run ardour so I
wonder why jack devs wrote Option 1 in
http://www.jackaudio.org/pulseaudio_and_jack



 If you're doing a survey - the answer is as many as I need, and the
 system, and JACK, can handle.

  well all those apps can be controlled and synced by jack with a high
  level of complexity in the connection graph. Can you do it with PA

 I've never tried - why would I?  I do it with JACK.
 PA doesn't interfere.


  * belive it or not, pulseaudio does not address pro audio needs

 Nice strawman

 I've never said it did. Read again.

 Did the OP say anything about pro audio needs? I must of missed that
 post... :-)


he wrote that, reag again
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00161.html


 You do realise this is not 'your' usual, linuxaudio RT list, right? :-)

  * debian devs are right in using PA, they must aim at the average
  user

 I don't know that they must do anything.
 Certainly it seems they're aiming at the widest range of uses - which
 would include more than just desktop users.

 
 
  last: I have SUGGESTED hime to give it a try (killall pulseaudio !=
  remove pulseaudio)

 That was understood the first time. Your point being? What would be the
 purpose of disabling an unconfigured and perfectly good sound system?


I think maybe your just too sensitive and in love wiht PA :-) to admit mine
was a suggestion, I think he posted on this list because his sound sistem
isn't configured and perfectly good 100%, do you?

over and out
-r

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 02:51, Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/03/12 19:18, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
 2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com
 mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com



 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)

 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps: killall
 pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl

 snipped


 Hi,

 FOA, let's say I am not interested in starting a flame war

 Good.

 FWIW - I think JACK is a fine sound system, also ALSA, ESD, SDL and phonon.

Personally, I would argue about ESD being fine. Though it is moot
really, since ESD is dead. And of course SDL and Phonon (and OpenAL
and libao, etc) are in a very different space from PA/Jack, being
sound libraries rather than sound servers. ALSA is different again,
being the fundamental interface to the sound hardware (sharing that
space with OSS).

http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/computers/realistic_linux_audio_v2.png
(needs some updating and improving, e.g. libsydney never came to be)

Which maybe you know all about, but I know plenty of people find a
diagram like that useful. Heck, I did, that is why I made it.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 06/03/12 03:01, Kelly Clowers wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 02:51, Scott Ferguson
 scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/03/12 19:18, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
 2012/3/5 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com
 mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com



 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)

 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps: killall
 pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl

 snipped


 Hi,

 FOA, let's say I am not interested in starting a flame war

 Good.

 FWIW - I think JACK is a fine sound system, also ALSA, ESD, SDL and phonon.
 
 Personally, I would argue about ESD being fine.

And I wouldn't disagree - it had a few things wrong with it (DoSing
amongst others) - and it was limited. They all, and OSS, had/have their
place - even if they're not my choice (it's choices that's important IMHO)

snipped

 And of course SDL and Phonon (and OpenAL
 and libao, etc) are in a very different space from PA/Jack, being
 sound libraries rather than sound servers. 

Which is why I wrote system not server.

 ALSA is different again,
 being the fundamental interface to the sound hardware (sharing that
 space with OSS).

Some prefer OSS, I prefer ALSA for it's better support of hardware and
it's willingness to share. Despite some popular beliefs it's also
capable of very low latency (I think you mentioned dmix).

 
 http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/computers/realistic_linux_audio_v2.png
 (needs some updating and improving, e.g. libsydney never came to be)
 
 Which maybe you know all about, but I know plenty of people find a
 diagram like that useful. Heck, I did, that is why I made it.

As do I, thanks.
I've bookmarked it for the next time I need to come up with a better
explanation of pulseadio than it's just the site foreman, not a
wheelbarrow.

I'm a KDE user. Tried the xine and gstreamer phonon backends, we settled
on the VLC backend which you don't list (you did say it's an old
diagram).  On Squeeze we've found it seems to have less problems with
various applications - particularly streaming between other devices.

 
 
 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers
 
 



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Re: sound issues

2012-03-05 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 15:05, Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 06/03/12 03:01, Kelly Clowers wrote:



 http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/computers/realistic_linux_audio_v2.png
 (needs some updating and improving, e.g. libsydney never came to be)

 Which maybe you know all about, but I know plenty of people find a
 diagram like that useful. Heck, I did, that is why I made it.

 As do I, thanks.
 I've bookmarked it for the next time I need to come up with a better
 explanation of pulseadio than it's just the site foreman, not a
 wheelbarrow.

 I'm a KDE user. Tried the xine and gstreamer phonon backends, we settled
 on the VLC backend which you don't list (you did say it's an old
 diagram).  On Squeeze we've found it seems to have less problems with
 various applications - particularly streaming between other devices.

VLC is on there, actually. But  yeah, the Phonon VLC backend was a
little later, but is now the preferred one. The gstreamer backend is still
improving, though, and has worked fine for Amarok playback. I hope
after GST 1.0 comes out (fingers crossed for this year), it will eventually
become the default backend for Phonon.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: sound issues

2012-03-04 Thread Tony van der Hoff


On 04/03/12 04:56, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 04/03/12 14:18, Darren Crotchett wrote:


snipped



Thank you so much for sticking with me.  I appreciate everyone's
comments.  I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the future.




Not only in the future :)
I've been following this thread, without contributing, I'm afraid, but 
it's sorted out my sound problems.


Thanks all!

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-04 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2012/3/4 Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com

 I am going to clearly remark as much as possible for the benefit of anyone
 who may find this page later.  See my inline replies/comments.

 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 05:53, Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com
 wrote:
 
  Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just needs to be setup
 correctly?
  I'm going to be working on this issue today.  Before I install the
  applications that Raffaele recommended, I want to give Pulseaudio one
 more
  chance because I would rather figure out the problem than to circumvent
 it.
  OTOH, I don't want to fight a losing battle either.

 So, I originally setup mine based on the PA wiki's Perfect Setup.
 It is rather
 extensive and a lot of the stuff in there is from a time when there
 was less support
 for PA.

 Here are the essentials:
 Edit /etc/asound.conf (for all users) or ~/.asoundrc (per-user)
 I have only these two entries in mine:


 Neither of these files existed.  I didn't care about a per-user setting,
 so I just created an /etc/asound.conf and added the recommended lines below.



 pcm.!default {
type pulse
 }
 ctl.!default {
type pulse
 }


 Make sure you are in the groups audio, pulse-access and pulse-rt


 I used vigr and vigr -s to edit the groups.  My user was already in
 audio. I added it to pulse-access group.  And, I did not have a
 pulse-rt group.  I did not create the group.



 Make sure that Pulse is being run automatically at startup (it should be,
 I just remember when it was not, and I had to set it up myself).


 It was already starting automatically with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio



 ---

 The setting of the alsa default to pulse should make most things work,
 but personally I set a number of things to PA explicitly. At least some
 of these
 used to be required (they did not automatically use pulse and avoided the
 alsa default or similar). Nowadays that may not be the case, I don't know.
 Also they may have a PA driver that is different from the alsa driver, and
 may work better than redirected alsa.

 in ~/.mplayer/config: ao = pulse

 in ~/.xine/config: audio.driver:pulseaudio

 in ~/.vlcrc or ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc: aout=pulse

 in /etc/libao.conf: default_driver=pulse


 I did not have the mplayer or xine config files above files.  So, I
 created them and add the recommended lines.  I had the ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc.
  The aout directive was present, but was commented out and had no value.
  So, I set it.  I changed the /etc/libao.conf from default_driver=alsa to
 default_driver=pulse.





 for gstreamer:
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
 pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosrc
 pulsesrc
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/chataudiosink pulsesink


 I ran the gconftool-2 commands.



 KDE's Phonon uses vlc, mplayer or gstreamer, so the above should cover
 that as well

 SDL (used for some games) can be set to explicitly use PA with:
 export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse
 (needs to be done in a startup script like ~/.bashrc to be permanent)


 I added the export to the .bashrc.  I also executed it at the command line
 so I didn't have to log out and back in.

 I restarted pulseaudio with: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart

 This did not seem to work.  So, I rebooted.  This seems to work.  I was
 able to play a movie with sound on VLC, Minecraft and Skype all at once
 without breaking anything.



 As far as I remember that is about it. As I said, setting those explicitly
 may not be needed anymore, I just don't know.


 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers



 Thank you so much for sticking with me.  I appreciate everyone's comments.
  I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the future.


Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)

IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps:
killall pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl

regards
-r

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-04 Thread Darren Crotchett

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Raffaele Morelli 
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:



 2012/3/4 Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com

 I am going to clearly remark as much as possible for the benefit of
 anyone who may find this page later.  See my inline replies/comments.

 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kelly Clowers 
 kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 05:53, Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com
 wrote:
 
  Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just needs to be setup
 correctly?
  I'm going to be working on this issue today.  Before I install the
  applications that Raffaele recommended, I want to give Pulseaudio one
 more
  chance because I would rather figure out the problem than to
 circumvent it.
  OTOH, I don't want to fight a losing battle either.

 So, I originally setup mine based on the PA wiki's Perfect Setup.
 It is rather
 extensive and a lot of the stuff in there is from a time when there
 was less support
 for PA.

 Here are the essentials:
 Edit /etc/asound.conf (for all users) or ~/.asoundrc (per-user)
 I have only these two entries in mine:


 Neither of these files existed.  I didn't care about a per-user setting,
 so I just created an /etc/asound.conf and added the recommended lines below.



 pcm.!default {
type pulse
 }
 ctl.!default {
type pulse
 }


 Make sure you are in the groups audio, pulse-access and pulse-rt


 I used vigr and vigr -s to edit the groups.  My user was already in
 audio. I added it to pulse-access group.  And, I did not have a
 pulse-rt group.  I did not create the group.



 Make sure that Pulse is being run automatically at startup (it should be,
 I just remember when it was not, and I had to set it up myself).


 It was already starting automatically with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio



 ---

 The setting of the alsa default to pulse should make most things work,
 but personally I set a number of things to PA explicitly. At least some
 of these
 used to be required (they did not automatically use pulse and avoided the
 alsa default or similar). Nowadays that may not be the case, I don't
 know.
 Also they may have a PA driver that is different from the alsa driver,
 and
 may work better than redirected alsa.

 in ~/.mplayer/config: ao = pulse

 in ~/.xine/config: audio.driver:pulseaudio

 in ~/.vlcrc or ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc: aout=pulse

 in /etc/libao.conf: default_driver=pulse


 I did not have the mplayer or xine config files above files.  So, I
 created them and add the recommended lines.  I had the ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc.
  The aout directive was present, but was commented out and had no value.
  So, I set it.  I changed the /etc/libao.conf from default_driver=alsa to
 default_driver=pulse.





 for gstreamer:
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
 pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosrc
 pulsesrc
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/chataudiosink pulsesink


 I ran the gconftool-2 commands.



 KDE's Phonon uses vlc, mplayer or gstreamer, so the above should cover
 that as well

 SDL (used for some games) can be set to explicitly use PA with:
 export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse
 (needs to be done in a startup script like ~/.bashrc to be permanent)


 I added the export to the .bashrc.  I also executed it at the command
 line so I didn't have to log out and back in.

 I restarted pulseaudio with: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart

 This did not seem to work.  So, I rebooted.  This seems to work.  I was
 able to play a movie with sound on VLC, Minecraft and Skype all at once
 without breaking anything.



 As far as I remember that is about it. As I said, setting those
 explicitly
 may not be needed anymore, I just don't know.


 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers



 Thank you so much for sticking with me.  I appreciate everyone's
 comments.  I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the future.


 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)

 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps:
 killall pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl

 regards

 -r

 --
 *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata
 all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla
 protesta violenta e viscerale.*


Thanks for posting.  The were 2 reasons that I went with PA, neither of
which were because I thought installing jackd might be complicated.  The
first reason was because PA was installed by default.  Unless I have a
particularly good reason (like nVidia drivers) I try to stick to out of
the box as much as possible because it seems to help prevent future issues
related to updates and upgrades.  The other reason was because I was hoping
to finally figure out what I don't understand about sound on Linux.  As I
mentioned in my first post, sound is always an issue for me.  And, somehow,
I always

Re: sound issues

2012-03-04 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 08:24, Raffaele Morelli
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:


 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)

 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps:
 killall pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl


http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
is definitely more complicated than PA.

The rest is about the same, you have to make sure things are installed, and set
apps to use jack, just as you do with PA.

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start 
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other apps 
if needed.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: sound issues

2012-03-04 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 05/03/12 03:24, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
 
 
 2012/3/4 Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com
 mailto:deb...@crotchett.com
 

snipped

 
 I restarted pulseaudio with: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
 
 This did not seem to work. So, I rebooted. This seems to work. I
 was able to play a movie with sound on VLC, Minecraft and Skype all
 at once without breaking anything.
 
 
 
 As far as I remember that is about it. As I said, setting those
 explicitly
 may not be needed anymore, I just don't know.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers
 
 
 
 Thank you so much for sticking with me. I appreciate everyone's
 comments. I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the
 future.
 
 
 Just to clarify with Kelly about what complicated stands for :-)
 
 IMHO you are going to get what you want in two steps:
 killall pulseaudio  aptitude install jackd qjackctl
 
 regards
 -r

what you want meaning a complicated setup that allows WOW and Skype to
co-exist - but requires you to fiddle with every upgrade, and more
fiddling for every application that requires sound.

With the greatest respect - though you've invested a great deal in the
belief that pulseaudio is bad, it's not a belief shared by the upstream
developers of most applications (or more importantly, Debian).

PA doesn't stop you using JACK - it's one of many sound systems that
work just fine *under* PA (I run Ardour). Contrary to some commentary -
PA is just a foreman, not a wheelbarrow.

There's a number of things that PA can do[*1], that [insert pet sound
system here] can't do. The reverse is not true - because PA allows you
to run [insert pet sound system here].

[*1] Per-application volume controls.
An extensible plugin architecture with support for loadable modules.
Compatibility with many popular audio applications.
Support for multiple audio sources and sinks.
Low-latency operation and support for latency measurement.
A zero-copy memory architecture for processor resource efficiency.
Ability to discover other computers using PulseAudio on the local
network and play sound through their speakers directly.
Ability to change which output device an application plays sound through
while the application is playing sound (without the application needing
to support this, and indeed without even being aware that this happened).
A command-line interface with scripting capabilities.
A sound daemon with command line reconfiguration capabilities.
Built-in sample conversion and resampling capabilities.
The ability to combine multiple sound cards into one.
The ability to synchronize multiple playback streams (including across
networks, vms, through X etc).
Bluetooth audio devices with dynamic detection.
The ability to enable system wide equalization.
Support for most Operating Systems (and most many portable devices,
Nokia, Palm, and others).



Kind regards

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-03 Thread Darren Crotchett

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
 raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
  qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
 apps
  if needed.
 
  In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
  listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
 
  Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
 little
  more tricky, have a look at
  http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
 
  I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
  and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
 

 That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
 it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has
 never
 given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
 be unmuted, but that is about it).

 It has been a while since I setup PA, and I don't have my Debian
 box here, so I can't say much until about 5:00 Pacific standard time.

 When you say Pandora, you mean the internet radio, right? In that case
 the app is the browser (and not Flash anymore, thankfully. Although even
 that is better than it used to be).

 Make sure the PA plugins for various programs are installed:
 vlc-plugin-pulse
 gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio

 Much more when I get home.

 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers


Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just needs to be setup
correctly? I'm going to be working on this issue today.  Before I install
the applications that Raffaele recommended, I want to give Pulseaudio one
more chance because I would rather figure out the problem than to
circumvent it.  OTOH, I don't want to fight a losing battle either.

Re: sound issues

2012-03-03 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 05:53, Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com wrote:

Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just needs to be setup correctly?
I'm going to be working on this issue today. Before I install the
applications that Raffaele recommended, I want to give Pulseaudio one more
chance because I would rather figure out the problem than to circumvent it.
OTOH, I don't want to fight a losing battle either.

So, I originally setup mine based on the PA wiki's Perfect Setup.
It is rather
extensive and a lot of the stuff in there is from a time when there
was less support
for PA.

Here are the essentials:
Edit /etc/asound.conf (for all users) or ~/.asoundrc (per-user)
I have only these two entries in mine:

pcm.!default {
type pulse
}
ctl.!default {
type pulse
}

Make sure you are in the groups audio, pulse-access and pulse-rt

Make sure that Pulse is being run automatically at startup (it should be,
I just remember when it was not, and I had to set it up myself).

---

The setting of the alsa default to pulse should make most things work,
but personally I set a number of things to PA explicitly. At least some of these
used to be required (they did not automatically use pulse and avoided the
alsa default or similar). Nowadays that may not be the case, I don't know.
Also they may have a PA driver that is different from the alsa driver, and
may work better than redirected alsa.

in ~/.mplayer/config: ao = pulse

in ~/.xine/config: audio.driver:pulseaudio

in ~/.vlcrc or ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc: aout=pulse

in /etc/libao.conf: default_driver=pulse

for gstreamer:
gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink pulsesink
gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosrc pulsesrc
gconftool-2 -t string --set
/system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink pulsesink
gconftool-2 -t string --set
/system/gstreamer/0.10/default/chataudiosink pulsesink

KDE's Phonon uses vlc, mplayer or gstreamer, so the above should cover
that as well

SDL (used for some games) can be set to explicitly use PA with:
export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse
(needs to be done in a startup script like ~/.bashrc to be permanent)

As far as I remember that is about it. As I said, setting those explicitly
may not be needed anymore, I just don't know.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-03 Thread Darren Crotchett

I am going to clearly remark as much as possible for the benefit of anyone
who may find this page later.  See my inline replies/comments.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 05:53, Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com
 wrote:
 
  Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just needs to be setup
 correctly?
  I'm going to be working on this issue today.  Before I install the
  applications that Raffaele recommended, I want to give Pulseaudio one
 more
  chance because I would rather figure out the problem than to circumvent
 it.
  OTOH, I don't want to fight a losing battle either.

 So, I originally setup mine based on the PA wiki's Perfect Setup.
 It is rather
 extensive and a lot of the stuff in there is from a time when there
 was less support
 for PA.

 Here are the essentials:
 Edit /etc/asound.conf (for all users) or ~/.asoundrc (per-user)
 I have only these two entries in mine:


Neither of these files existed.  I didn't care about a per-user setting, so
I just created an /etc/asound.conf and added the recommended lines below.



 pcm.!default {
type pulse
 }
 ctl.!default {
type pulse
 }


 Make sure you are in the groups audio, pulse-access and pulse-rt


I used vigr and vigr -s to edit the groups.  My user was already in
audio. I added it to pulse-access group.  And, I did not have a
pulse-rt group.  I did not create the group.



 Make sure that Pulse is being run automatically at startup (it should be,
 I just remember when it was not, and I had to set it up myself).


It was already starting automatically with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio



 ---

 The setting of the alsa default to pulse should make most things work,
 but personally I set a number of things to PA explicitly. At least some of
 these
 used to be required (they did not automatically use pulse and avoided the
 alsa default or similar). Nowadays that may not be the case, I don't know.
 Also they may have a PA driver that is different from the alsa driver, and
 may work better than redirected alsa.

 in ~/.mplayer/config: ao = pulse

 in ~/.xine/config: audio.driver:pulseaudio

 in ~/.vlcrc or ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc: aout=pulse

 in /etc/libao.conf: default_driver=pulse


I did not have the mplayer or xine config files above files.  So, I created
them and add the recommended lines.  I had the ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc.  The
aout directive was present, but was commented out and had no value.  So, I
set it.  I changed the /etc/libao.conf from default_driver=alsa to
default_driver=pulse.





 for gstreamer:
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
 pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosrc
 pulsesrc
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink pulsesink
 gconftool-2 -t string --set
 /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/chataudiosink pulsesink


I ran the gconftool-2 commands.



 KDE's Phonon uses vlc, mplayer or gstreamer, so the above should cover
 that as well

 SDL (used for some games) can be set to explicitly use PA with:
 export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse
 (needs to be done in a startup script like ~/.bashrc to be permanent)


I added the export to the .bashrc.  I also executed it at the command line
so I didn't have to log out and back in.

I restarted pulseaudio with: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart

This did not seem to work.  So, I rebooted.  This seems to work.  I was
able to play a movie with sound on VLC, Minecraft and Skype all at once
without breaking anything.



 As far as I remember that is about it. As I said, setting those explicitly
 may not be needed anymore, I just don't know.


 Cheers,
 Kelly Clowers



Thank you so much for sticking with me.  I appreciate everyone's comments.
 I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the future.

Re: sound issues

2012-03-03 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 04/03/12 14:18, Darren Crotchett wrote:
 I am going to clearly remark as much as possible for the benefit of
 anyone who may find this page later.  See my inline replies/comments.
 
 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com
 mailto:kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:
 
snipped

 
 
 Thank you so much for sticking with me.  I appreciate everyone's
 comments.  I hope that someone with find this thread useful in the future. 
 

Glad you've got it sorted.

To record Skype calls (under PA) I use skype-call-recorder:-
http://atdot.ch/scr/download/



Kind regards


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sound issues

I am having issues with sound on my son's computer.  We are unable to run
two sound applications simultaneously.  Occasionally, I can stumble upon a
combination of more than one (usually two) that will work together.  But,
it's not repeatable.

I have tried a few combinations non of which worked together, such as Skype
and Pandora, Pandora and Movie Player (which I guess is Totem), Pandora and
VLC.  Oddly, even video would not play on Movie Player while another sound
application was open, but VLC video would play (without sound).  I did not
try every combination because I just didn't have time.  If you think it
would be beneficial, I can go back and do so.  I don't know enough about
the backend sound systems that these applications use to interpret which
combinations, if any, would be significant in terms of troubleshooting.

Often times, you would not want two sound apps open at the same time.  But,
in this case, my son plays Minecraft and talks on Skype.  So, it makes
sense in that case.It seems that whichever one he starts first gets
control of the sound output and the other app can't get any output.

He is using Debian Wheezy AMD64.  He is using Gnome 3 as the desktop.  He
is running Pulseaudio.  His motherboard is an Asus P8Z68 Deluxe and proc is
i7.  He has a logitech webcam for input.  But, that hasn't been an issue.
 I only mention it to explain the USB-Audio below.

I've been using Debian and Linux for many years.  But, I've never been able
to wrap my head around sound problems (which I seem to have with every new
install).  I get confused by alas, esd, pulseaudio and so on.  Sound issues
have always been hit or miss for me, with something sooner or later just
ending up working.  I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this.  Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.

$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
  HDA Intel PCH at 0xfae2 irq 74
 1 [U0x46d0x821]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x821
  USB Device 0x46d:0x821 at usb-:00:1d.0-1.4, high
speed
 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
  HDA NVidia at 0xfa08 irq 17

Re: sound issues

2012-03-02 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2012/3/2 Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com

 I am having issues with sound on my son's computer.  We are unable to run
 two sound applications simultaneously.  Occasionally, I can stumble upon a
 combination of more than one (usually two) that will work together.  But,
 it's not repeatable.

 I have tried a few combinations non of which worked together, such as
 Skype and Pandora, Pandora and Movie Player (which I guess is Totem),
 Pandora and VLC.  Oddly, even video would not play on Movie Player while
 another sound application was open, but VLC video would play (without
 sound).  I did not try every combination because I just didn't have time.
  If you think it would be beneficial, I can go back and do so.  I don't
 know enough about the backend sound systems that these applications use to
 interpret which combinations, if any, would be significant in terms of
 troubleshooting.

 Often times, you would not want two sound apps open at the same time.
  But, in this case, my son plays Minecraft and talks on Skype.  So, it
 makes sense in that case.It seems that whichever one he starts first
 gets control of the sound output and the other app can't get any output.

 He is using Debian Wheezy AMD64.  He is using Gnome 3 as the desktop.  He
 is running Pulseaudio.  His motherboard is an Asus P8Z68 Deluxe and proc is
 i7.  He has a logitech webcam for input.  But, that hasn't been an issue.
  I only mention it to explain the USB-Audio below.

 I've been using Debian and Linux for many years.  But, I've never been
 able to wrap my head around sound problems (which I seem to have with every
 new install).  I get confused by alas, esd, pulseaudio and so on.  Sound
 issues have always been hit or miss for me, with something sooner or later
 just ending up working.  I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this.  Any
 suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 $ cat /proc/asound/cards
  0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
   HDA Intel PCH at 0xfae2 irq 74
  1 [U0x46d0x821]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x821
   USB Device 0x46d:0x821 at usb-:00:1d.0-1.4, high
 speed
  2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
   HDA NVidia at 0xfa08 irq 17


Install jackd, qjackctl and vlc-plugin-jack, kill pulseaudio and use alsa.

In VLC preferences-audio choose alsa as output module. Have a look at the
device dropdown, there you should see the relevand devices (eg. your intel
and hdmi if any).

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
apps if needed.

In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

-r



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Re: sound issues

Thank you so much for this information.  I will do that tonight or tomorrow
and report back.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 2012/3/2 Darren Crotchett deb...@crotchett.com

 I am having issues with sound on my son's computer.  We are unable to run
 two sound applications simultaneously.  Occasionally, I can stumble upon a
 combination of more than one (usually two) that will work together.  But,
 it's not repeatable.

 I have tried a few combinations non of which worked together, such as
 Skype and Pandora, Pandora and Movie Player (which I guess is Totem),
 Pandora and VLC.  Oddly, even video would not play on Movie Player while
 another sound application was open, but VLC video would play (without
 sound).  I did not try every combination because I just didn't have time.
  If you think it would be beneficial, I can go back and do so.  I don't
 know enough about the backend sound systems that these applications use to
 interpret which combinations, if any, would be significant in terms of
 troubleshooting.

 Often times, you would not want two sound apps open at the same time.
  But, in this case, my son plays Minecraft and talks on Skype.  So, it
 makes sense in that case.It seems that whichever one he starts first
 gets control of the sound output and the other app can't get any output.

 He is using Debian Wheezy AMD64.  He is using Gnome 3 as the desktop.  He
 is running Pulseaudio.  His motherboard is an Asus P8Z68 Deluxe and proc is
 i7.  He has a logitech webcam for input.  But, that hasn't been an issue.
  I only mention it to explain the USB-Audio below.

 I've been using Debian and Linux for many years.  But, I've never been
 able to wrap my head around sound problems (which I seem to have with every
 new install).  I get confused by alas, esd, pulseaudio and so on.  Sound
 issues have always been hit or miss for me, with something sooner or later
 just ending up working.  I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this.  Any
 suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 $ cat /proc/asound/cards
  0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
   HDA Intel PCH at 0xfae2 irq 74
  1 [U0x46d0x821]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x821
   USB Device 0x46d:0x821 at usb-:00:1d.0-1.4,
 high speed
  2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
   HDA NVidia at 0xfa08 irq 17


 Install jackd, qjackctl and vlc-plugin-jack, kill pulseaudio and use alsa.

 In VLC preferences-audio choose alsa as output module. Have a look at the
 device dropdown, there you should see the relevand devices (eg. your intel
 and hdmi if any).

 if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
 qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
 apps if needed.

 In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
 listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

 Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
 little more tricky, have a look at
 http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

 I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
 and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

 -r



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Re: sound issues

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other apps
if needed.

In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has never
given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
be unmuted, but that is about it).

It has been a while since I setup PA, and I don't have my Debian
box here, so I can't say much until about 5:00 Pacific standard time.

When you say Pandora, you mean the internet radio, right? In that case
the app is the browser (and not Flash anymore, thankfully. Although even
that is better than it used to be).

Make sure the PA plugins for various programs are installed:
vlc-plugin-pulse
gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio

Much more when I get home.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-02 Thread Raffaele Morelli

2012/3/2 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
 raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
  qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
 apps
  if needed.
 
  In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
  listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
 
  Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
 little
  more tricky, have a look at
  http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
 
  I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
  and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
 

 That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
 it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has
 never
 given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
 be unmuted, but that is about it)


As I said it's not trivial... but he only needs a loopback device and a
jackplugin if he wants to record stuff coming from skype, flashplayers and
other non jack compliant apps

For vlc+skype to work jack and qjackctl is enough, BTW qjackctl it's the
way to go he wants to control everything.

-r



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Re: sound issues

Thanks for feedback. Yes. It is Pandora in Google Chrome. These plugins
are installed.

$ aptitude search vlc |grep pulse
i A vlc-plugin-pulse- PulseAudio plugin for VLC
$ aptitude search gstreamer |grep pulse
i A gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio- GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio

Thanks,
Darren

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
apps
if needed.

In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has
never
given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
be unmuted, but that is about it).

It has been a while since I setup PA, and I don't have my Debian
box here, so I can't say much until about 5:00 Pacific standard time.

When you say Pandora, you mean the internet radio, right? In that case
the app is the browser (and not Flash anymore, thankfully. Although even
that is better than it used to be).

Make sure the PA plugins for various programs are installed:
vlc-plugin-pulse
gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio

Much more when I get home.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sound issues

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Raffaele Morelli 
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/3/2 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
 raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
  qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
 apps
  if needed.
 
  In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
  listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
 
  Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
 little
  more tricky, have a look at
  http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
 
  I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
  and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
 

 That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and
 automatically),
 it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has
 never
 given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
 be unmuted, but that is about it)


 As I said it's not trivial... but he only needs a loopback device and a
 jackplugin if he wants to record stuff coming from skype, flashplayers and
 other non jack compliant apps

 For vlc+skype to work jack and qjackctl is enough, BTW qjackctl it's the
 way to go he wants to control everything.

 -r


Recording hasn't been an issue for me, probably because I haven't actually
had the need to try it.  But, this sounds interesting because at some
point, I might want to grab some audio via a flashplayer or skype.

Re: sound issues

2012-03-02 Thread Celejar

On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:11:18 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
 raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
  qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other apps
  if needed.
 
  In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
  listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
 
  Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a little
  more tricky, have a look at
  http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
 
  I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
  and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
 
 
 That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
 it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has never
 given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
 be unmuted, but that is about it).

I use just plain alsa, and while I don't use skype, multiple
applications can use my sound devices simultaneously. No special
configuration; it just works.

Celejar


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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:56, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:11:18 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
apps
if needed.

In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

I use just plain alsa, and while I don't use skype, multiple
applications can use my sound devices simultaneously. No special
configuration; it just works.

Either a sound card with hardware mixing, or you got lucky with
alsa's dmix. It has been known to work on occasion...

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-02 Thread Celejar

On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:36:34 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:56, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:11:18 -0800
  Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
  raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
   qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other 
   apps
   if needed.
  
   In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
   listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
  
   Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a 
   little
   more tricky, have a look at
   http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
  
   I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
   and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
  
 
  That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and automatically),
  it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has 
  never
  given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
  be unmuted, but that is about it).
 
  I use just plain alsa, and while I don't use skype, multiple
  applications can use my sound devices simultaneously. No special
  configuration; it just works.
 
 Either a sound card with hardware mixing, or you got lucky with
 alsa's dmix. It has been known to work on occasion...

I don't know what dmix is; it doesn't seem to exist on my system. Sound
hardware is:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)

I'm pretty sure I had automatic mixing on my previous system, which
also had some sort of Intel sound, although I don't have the info
available here ATM.

Celejar


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Re: sound issues

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 13:52, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:36:34 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:56, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:11:18 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:

if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with other
apps
if needed.

In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.

Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a
little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge

I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.

That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and
automatically),
it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has
never
given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
be unmuted, but that is about it).

I use just plain alsa, and while I don't use skype, multiple
applications can use my sound devices simultaneously. No special
configuration; it just works.

Either a sound card with hardware mixing, or you got lucky with
alsa's dmix. It has been known to work on occasion...

I don't know what dmix is; it doesn't seem to exist on my system. Sound
hardware is:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)

I'm pretty sure I had automatic mixing on my previous system, which
also had some sort of Intel sound, although I don't have the info
available here ATM.

I doubt that has hardware mixing. Dmix is part of alsa, you should have
it unless you recompiled alsa without it or something.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: sound issues

2012-03-02 Thread Celejar

On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:19:32 -0800
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 13:52, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:36:34 -0800
  Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:56, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:11:18 -0800
   Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:35, Raffaele Morelli
   raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote:
   
if you want two or more audio apps to share the same sound device, 
start
qjackctl, tell vlc to use jack output module and do the same with 
other apps
if needed.
   
In qjackctl connection panel you should see all your alsa compliant 
apps
listed as readable clients and the sound device as writeable clients.
   
Using skype together with other apps is also possible even if it's a 
little
more tricky, have a look at
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_and_Loopback_device_as_Alsa-to-Jack_bridge
   
I can run skype togeter with other jack/alsa compliant apps, record 
them
and/or route audio output between them using Qjackctl.
   
  
   That sounds excessively complicated. PA will work fine (and 
   automatically),
   it just needs to be setup correctly. I set mine up long ago, and it has 
   never
   given me problems (well, a few times the PA volume got muted and had to
   be unmuted, but that is about it).
  
   I use just plain alsa, and while I don't use skype, multiple
   applications can use my sound devices simultaneously. No special
   configuration; it just works.
 
  Either a sound card with hardware mixing, or you got lucky with
  alsa's dmix. It has been known to work on occasion...
 
  I don't know what dmix is; it doesn't seem to exist on my system. Sound
  hardware is:
 
  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
  Controller (rev 03)
 
  I'm pretty sure I had automatic mixing on my previous system, which
  also had some sort of Intel sound, although I don't have the info
  available here ATM.
 
 I doubt that has hardware mixing. Dmix is part of alsa, you should have
 it unless you recompiled alsa without it or something.

Okay - so dmix it is; I'm using stock Debian packages for everything,
with no specific configuration for my setup. I though that dmix was
some sort of command / daemon / package. But you say it only works on
occasion? I've never seemed to have any problem with it at all.

Celejar


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