update S3 driver, and must switch back to XFree86 3.3.6

2001-02-16 Thread BizarroBum
i need to update my video driver for a textscroll bug fix to keep my 
laptop from crashing

the info on this video driver and the fix can be found at 
http://www.probo.com/timr/savagemx.html

i installed debian as unstable and XFree 4.0.2 was the default 
setup.  i've tried updating the 4.0.2 drivers by it doesn't support
xdm or kdm very well and my user accounts can't run startx.

so i wish to switch back to XFree 3.3.6 and install the driver update 
for that. but i tried relinking with 'ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA /etc/X11/X 
' 
to switch back to 3.3.6 and i believe the xserver-svga is installed but it 
wouldn't load.  i bitched about the my /etc/XF86Config file. the error message 
being unspecific about the problem gives me the error message

Section "Files"
File section keywork expected

here's my /etc/XF86Config file:

 /etc/XF86Config 
# XF86Config auto-generated by XF86Setup
#
# Copyright (c) 1996 by The XFree86 Project, Inc.


#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
# copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
# to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
# the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense,
# and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
# Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
#
# The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
# all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
#
# THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
# FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  IN NO EVENT SHALL
# THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
# WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF
# OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
# SOFTWARE.
#
# Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall
# not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other
# dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the
# XFree86 Project.
#


# See 'man XF86Config' for info on the format of this file


Section "Files"
   RgbPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
   FontPath   
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
EndSection


Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection


Section "Keyboard"
   Protocol"Standard"
   AutoRepeat  500 30
   LeftAlt Meta
   RightAltMeta
   ScrollLock  Compose
   RightCtlControl
   XkbKeycodes "xfree86"
   XkbTypes"default"
   XkbCompat   "default"
   XkbSymbols  "us(pc101)"
   XkbGeometry "pc"
   XkbRules"xfree86"
   XkbModel"pc101"
   XkbLayout   "us"
EndSection


Section "Pointer"
   Protocol"SysMouse"
   Device  "/dev/sysmouse"
   BaudRate1200
   Emulate3Timeout 50
   Resolution  100
EndSection


Section "Monitor"
   Identifier  "Primary Monitor"
   VendorName  "Unknown"
   ModelName   "Unknown"
   HorizSync   30-100
   VertRefresh 30-90
   Modeline  "1024x768"   48.00 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823
   Modeline  "800x600"60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -hsync -vsync
   Modeline  "640x480"36.00 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -hsync -vsync
EndSection


Section "Device"
   Identifier  "Primary Card"
   VendorName  "Unknown"
   BoardName   "None"
#   set_memclk 60
   Option  "late_ras_precharge"
   Option  "fifo_aggressive"
   Option  "fast_dram"
   Option  "pci_burst_on"
   Option  "pci_retry"
EndSection


Section "Screen"
   Driver  "SVGA"
   Device  "Primary Card"
   Monitor "Primary Monitor"
   DefaultColorDepth 32
   BlankTime   0
   SuspendTime 0
   OffTime 0
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth8
  Modes"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth32
  Modes"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
   EndSubSection
EndSection


Section "Screen"
   Driver  "VGA16"
   Device  "Primary Card"
   Monitor "Primary Monitor"
   BlankTime   0
   SuspendTime 0
   OffTime 0
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth4
  Modes"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
   EndSubSection
EndSection 
 END 

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Re: Can't connect two debian boxes via PLIP

2001-02-16 Thread Dr. Aldo Medina
I own a cd burner and two CDROM, so I'm doing this overall as a
"training" in net conections, but I must resolve this before I can take
a most difficult challenge: a real mini-home-Lan

Chris Majewski wrote:
> 
> No idea, but  I had the same  problem last summer, and gave  up (I was
> setting up a  new machine and ended up transferring  the data via 100M
> Zip disks)..
> -chris
> 
> "Dr. Aldo Medina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I'm trying to connect my PII 350 with Debian 2.2r2 potato (kernel
> > 2.2.17) with my PIII 800 with Debian woody (2.2.18 recompiled) using a
> > "laplink" cable. I've followed PLIP-Howto steps, but even when I already
> > tried two cables (which work under Windows, I know this doesn't prove
> > anything, but..), I still can't make this to work. I stop in the ping
> > step. My potato says plip0: transmit timeout(1,87) and my woody stays
> > forever waiting for an answer. This are my settings:
> >
> > potato:
> >
> > plip0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:00:01
> >   inet addre:192.168.0.1  P-t-P:192.168.0.2  Mask:255.255.255.0
> >   UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >   collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
> >   Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378
> >
> > route 192.168.0.2 *   255.255.255.255 UH   0  0  0  plip0
> >   192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U0  0  0  plip0
> >
> > woody:
> >
> > plip0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:00:02
> >   inet addre:192.168.0.2  P-t-P:192.168.0.1  Mask:255.255.255.0
> >   UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >   collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
> >   Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378
> >
> > route 192.168.0.1 *   255.255.255.255 UH   0  0  0  plip0
> >   192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U0  0  0  plip0
> >
> > They're supposedly ok, but when I try to connect they don't communicate.
> > ¿any suggestion?

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Re: EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs

2001-02-16 Thread ktb
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 09:48:49PM -0800, Nick wrote:
> it tells me running e2fsck is recommended.
> 
> after I run it (e2fsck /dev/hde5), 
> it still says the same message.
> 
> How do you overcome the annoyance.
> 
> Thanks list members

You posted about this once before.  Did you try -
tune2fs 
as suggested?

Are you receiving this error on each boot or over and over immediately
after running "e2fsck /dev/hde5"?
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Re: keeping checksums of every file installed

2001-02-16 Thread Robert Waldner
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:36:13 MST, John Galt writes:
>On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Waldner wrote:
>>I´ll soon have to give out the root-pw of one of my boxes temporarily,
>> but I´m a little paranoid...
>>
>>Does anybody know of some program/script that could make checksums of
>> each&every file installed and keeping this list somewhere safe so that
>> I can compare it when I take the password away from my colleague to
>> make sure there´s no trojan or something installed?
>
>Tripwire it to removable media

Actually I just did like David Harris suggested and kept a filelist 
 with md5sums off-site. I compared this to a newly made and found no 
 differences (other than the obvious log-files et al).

As this was only a single occurrence and there´re no other acounts on 
 the machine tripwire would´ve been kind of overkill...

Thanks to all for your help!

cheers,
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RE: XFree86 4.0.2 and Matrox G400

2001-02-16 Thread Chun Kit Edwin Lau
Well, after all the trail, I still don't have any luck. I install xlibmesa3
and removed mesag3. glxinfo gets me now Mesa GLX Indirect rendering instead
of Mesa X11 rendering. Then I use 16 and 32 bpp to activate DRI. system
still freezed. and i don't have any log file left too because of the system
freeze. for normal 24 bpp. I have irq for the card. bus mastering on, I am
using kernel 2.4.1 with mga.o and the necessary stuff. but there is a
warning in the config saying

(**) MGA(0): Using AGP Mode 4x
(--) MGA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xCE00
(--) MGA(0): MMIO registers at 0xCD00
(--) MGA(0): Pseudo-DMA transfer window at 0xCC80
(--) MGA(0): BIOS at 0xCDFF
(--) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block at offset 0x07A80
(WW) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block not detected!
(II) MGA(0): MGABios.RamdacType = 0x0
(==) MGA(0): Write-combining range (0xce00,0x200)
(--) MGA(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte

could it be the problem? and also I have trouble trying to use DDC for my
Optiquest V95 monitor... pls help

Edwin Lau


On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:05:01 Joris Lambrecht wrote:
> I remember reading that kernel 2.4.1(01?) has improved handling of the
> G400
> cards and fixes some (if not all ...) known issues, i'd suggest you'd
> take a
> look at this kernel. The 2.4.x kernels really impressed me, if the rest
> of
> linux development would have similar level of quality linux would
> definetly
> rule the desktop.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chun Kit Edwin Lau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:49 AM
> To: Damon Muller
> Cc: User Debian
> Subject: Re: XFree86 4.0.2 and Matrox G400
> 
> 
> I am using 2.2.18 and have agp, via, dri compiled in the kernel, but
> leaving mga as a module and i guess I have the same problem as you. X4.02
> crashes my machine at 16 and 32bpp. I guess it has to do will drm. When i
> check the XF86 website, it seems to be that they suggested kernel 2.4.x
> kernel. I haven't given it a shot yet. and i also said in the site that
> disable the dri in the kernel for 2.4.x. (don't know about 2.2.18)
> 
> Edwin Lau
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:56:31 Damon Muller wrote:
> > Quoth Chun Kit Edwin Lau, 
> > > ok you have the dri working fine? well, for some unknown reason. in
> the
> > > XFree.0.log, it said direct rendering disable. don't know why? what
> > option
> > > did you include in the kernel? thanx
> > 
> > What colour depth are you using? dri/drm only working in 16 and 32bpp.
> > If you are using anything else, it will be disabled. This bit me
> > originally as I was using 24bpp (which turned out to be a good thing,
> as
> > that particular original driver and X4.02 didn't like each other, so
> > launching into dri/drm mode crashed the machine).
> > 
> > Other than that, make sure you've got agpgart compiled in or as a
> > module, along with the correct motherboard chipset support.
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > damon
> > 
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Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
Okay, first of all, please use paragraphs. They exist for a reason :)
Since it's too much trouble for me to break things up to present a nice
clear, response, you'll have to deal with my babbling.

First of all, if your mouse isn't initialized as an IntelliMouse, it
pretends it's a regular PS/2 mouse.

Second, gpm gets to your mouse before X, so you have to be positive that
your mouse type is set to "imps2" in /etc/gpm.conf .

Third, it sounds like both GPM and X are trying to use /dev/psaux. Check
to see what /dev/mouse is linked to. Since you're using GPM and X,
specify explicitly in XF86Config[-4] that the mouse device is
/dev/gpmdata, not /dev/mouse .

Now, try rebooting, after making sure all those config options are set
properly. If it still doesn't work, set X to use /dev/psaux, type
ImPS/2, 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*gpm' to stop 'gpm' from being started on boot,
and then re-boot. Hopefully that will work. If it doesn't, you have
problems that arn't caused by X or gpm.

The reboots are necessary, and they have to be hard-boots. This is
because of the mouse initialization thing.

Hope that helps :)

To quote Dave Bresson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# 
# 
# Hi there,
# 
# 
# I'm having a problem with my Microsoft Intellimouse (an intellimouse
with
# two buttons and a scroll wheel that uses the ps/2 interface) since
going
# from a 2.2.x kernel to 2.4.1.  The way i have setup (and how
everything
# worked perfectly before this upgrade) was that gpm was set to read
from
# /dev/psaux using the imps2 protocol.  It then repeats this to
/dev/gpmdata
# which i then have /dev/mouse linked to.  My XF86Config-4 is setup so
that
# it knows the mouse is at /dev/mouse, and uses the imPS/2 protocol.  I
also
# have a line for the Zaxis stuff to get the scroll wheel to act like
# buttons 4 and 5 in X so that the wheel works.  Anyway, all this is
well
# and good because it was this exact setup that worked before the new
# kernel.  Anyway, since upgrading the kernel, gpm no longer works on
# /dev/psaux with the imps2 protocol (hence, X doesn't work either...). 
The
# mouse just goes all crazy moving all over the place, and pushing
random
# buttons and what not.  So i set gpm and X to use the regular ps/2
# protocol, and everything was fine, however i get no third button or
# scroll wheel anymore, which sucks.  Just in case this was just a gpm
# problem, i tried having X read directly from /dev/psaux using the
IMPS/2
# protocol, but unfortunately got the same bad result.  Does anyone have
any
# idea what might be the problem here?  It had to have been something i
# configured wrong in the kernel...however i don't know what, since it
just
# made the IMPS/2 stuff not work, while the regular PS/2 still
works...very
# strange.  Any ideas, or tips?
# 
# 
# thanks,
# 
# 
# 
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# 
# 
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Re: Question re. AbiWord

2001-02-16 Thread Ross Boylan
Is there a way to give root (or anyone else) permission so this error
doesn't come up?  I login to a non-root account (gdm), but sometimes I
open a terminal as root and want to run a graphical application.  I
always get the error message that kicked this thread off.

The error doesn't seem to cause any bad effects, but it suggests
all is not well.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:45:23PM -0500, Tyler Braun wrote:
> Are you trying to run it from a terminal that you're currently root in, while
> you're using X as a regular user? If so just stop being root and it should be
> ok.
> 
> Otherwise, try:
> 
> export display=:0.0
> 
> I *THINK* that will do the trick.
> 
> On Thu Feb 15/2001 @ 10:02:P -0500, Radhika Sambamurti - 718-622-8304 wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I recently downloaded and installed AbiWord for my Debian Potato 2.2r
> > Linux.
> > The exact error message that I got when i tried to run it was:
> > 
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> > 
> > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
> > 
> > If anybody could help me out here... I would like to know what the above
> > error messages mean, and if possible which dependency conflict i have to
> > resolve.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Radhika
> > 
> > 
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Re: DNS: not working correctly

2001-02-16 Thread Sebastiaan


On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Terry Carney wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Sebastiaan wrote:
> 
> > When I do:
> > nslookup sacred-key.org ns1.tudelft.nl  then it works
> > nslookup sacred-key.org elektron.its.tudelft.nl  then it says that the
> > domain does not exist.
> > 
> > I had this before, someone suggested that it had to do with my revision
> > file.
> 
> Did you increment the serial number?
Hi,

yes, I do that every time. But I have always had trouble with the second
(elektron) nameserver.

Thanks,
Sebastiaan


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Re: isapnp.conf problems

2001-02-16 Thread john smith




Dammit!! I shouldn't have wasted anytime trying to get that junk to work 
with linux... thanks for the *early* warning though..if you hadn't said 
anything I would still be probably trying to make that combo-card work.




Ain't gonna happen.  The aztechs don't work under Linux-- they're Packard
Bell: 'nuff said.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, john smith wrote:

>I am trying to revive an old isa pnp modem/soundcard and when I use 
pnpdump

>to try and configure my modem (not the soundcard yet) I see this error at
>/var/log and during boot-up when my card is being detected.
>
>Board 1 has identity of
>FF FF FF FF 003 054 07 AZT300 serial no-1 [checksum of ]
>
>/etc/isapnp.conf:93- fatal-IO range check attempted while device 
activated
>/etc/isapnp.conf:93- fatal : error occured executing request 
''

>--further action aborted
>
>I tried mucking around with the BIOS (i.e. turning on/off pnp os and
>resources controlled by auto/manual) to no avail.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
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keyboard and mouse recognition

2001-02-16 Thread Sean Choi
I have a weird problem that deals with the keyboard and mouse
recognition.

I have installed debian 2.2 on a Dell pentium 2 350 MHz.
I have a Logitech trackman and MS Natural Pro Keyboard.

I ran XF86Setup and set the appropriate settings, and got my trackman
and keyboard detected, but every time i boot up my system i have to do
the following 

boot my system with a floppy (do not have Lilo setup)
boot:linux option=text (and then press enter)

if I don't have option=text, my keyboard and trackman do not get
detected.

What did I do wrong or what did I forget to do?

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backing up a complete linux system

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Egglestone
Hi all.
I trying to do a backup of my system and I think I might have the
backup part rightcorrect me if I'm wrong
I could use this command

tar -cvzf hda2.tar.gz /
( I don't need to add this ... --exclude hda2.tar.gz do I ??)

anyway... the part where I'm stuck... 
I have no idea how to restore this tarred file on to a totally new
drive
my guess.
add the other drive partition similar to hda  (swap and such)
mount the partition say..mount /dev/hdc2 /mnt

then untar the file  hda2.tar.gz into /mnt..
now I should have 2 file systems ... one at "/"
and the other at   "/mnt"
so what do I do now?
Just put the hdc drive in place of the hda drive... redo lilo and presto?


Your help is very much appreciated...!  

Mike



OT: Use xearth in term window?

2001-02-16 Thread Jonathan Gift
Hi,

Is there anyway of getting xearth in a terminal window and not the
default root window?

The man pages has nothing but I was wondering...

Thanks.

Jonathan

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Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update

2001-02-16 Thread Dave Bresson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, David B. Harris wrote:

> Okay, first of all, please use paragraphs. They exist for a reason :)
> Since it's too much trouble for me to break things up to present a nice
> clear, response, you'll have to deal with my babbling.
>

Yeah, sorry about that...my babbling doesn't translate well to paragraphs.
Ah well...

> First of all, if your mouse isn't initialized as an IntelliMouse, it
> pretends it's a regular PS/2 mouse.
>

Right.  What do you mean by 'initialized'?  You mean initialized as in
what gpm.conf and XF86Config-4 have it set as?  Or something else?

> Second, gpm gets to your mouse before X, so you have to be positive that
> your mouse type is set to "imps2" in /etc/gpm.conf .
>

Yep, got that.

> Third, it sounds like both GPM and X are trying to use /dev/psaux. Check
> to see what /dev/mouse is linked to. Since you're using GPM and X,
> specify explicitly in XF86Config[-4] that the mouse device is
> /dev/gpmdata, not /dev/mouse .
>

Well, since X wants to use /dev/mouse , i made it a sym link to
/dev/gpmdata (since that is what gpm is set to repeat to)  I guess i
probably shoulda stated that it was just a link in my previous email.

> Now, try rebooting, after making sure all those config options are set
> properly. If it still doesn't work, set X to use /dev/psaux, type
> ImPS/2, 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*gpm' to stop 'gpm' from being started on boot,
> and then re-boot. Hopefully that will work. If it doesn't, you have
> problems that arn't caused by X or gpm.

Okay, i had tried this before, however it was without the reboot, so i
tried it again.  As it turned out, this fixed it.  Pointing X straight to
/dev/psaux, and not starting gpm at all did it.  Which leads me to believe
that gpm doesn't work with the new kernel 2.4.1 i set up, since the old
configuration worked just fine with 2.2.18...very strange.  Any ideas on
why this might be?

thanks,



dave



Re: XFree86 4.0.2 - Very low resolution - how to increase?

2001-02-16 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 16 Feb 2001, Leigh Dyer wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2001 19:55:06 +1100, hogan wrote:
> 



> I checked your XFree86 log, and it's telling me that it's treating your
> card as a generic VGA card, hence the 64K of RAM and 320x240 pixel
> screen. I'm pretty certain this is because your chipset isn't supported
> in 4.0.2. However, you can still install and use 3.3.6 X servers
> (apt-get install xserver-svga), though I think this takes some fiddling.
> 
> Thanks
> Leigh
> 
I'm currently confused about X-4. I've been keeping up to date with
Testing and now I don't know which version of X I'm running. My driver
is xserver-svga 3.3.6X. I tried running xf86config and this generated a
XF86Config-4 file which didn't work. I therefore continued with my
existing XF86Config.

Can anyone explain briefly what the present position is with regard to
X-4?

Anthony


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RE: Which computer to buy ?

2001-02-16 Thread Joris Lambrecht
>From what i recall the tyan mobo is finished and will be for sale soon, this
is a High-END MOTHERBOARD,with firewari, scsi-160, two nic's among other's 

don't expect it to come cheap

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Weatherford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:08 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which computer to buy ?


At 12:44 PM 2/15/01 -0500, William T Wilson wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >   IMHO, you should buy Intel, since AMD chips don't do floating
> > point operations adequately (these are important in graphics), unless
>
>That isn't really the case any more.  Not since the K6, really.  The
>Pentium 4 has extremely bad floating point; the Athlon is still faster
>than the Pentium 3 in that department.
>

This is absolutely true!  The AMD K7's are superior to the Intel chips.  My 
only complaint is that no one has come up with a dual K7 board.  I use AMD 
exclusively in single processor boxes and they work like a charm...  The 
only Intel chips I own are the ones in my dual processor box.  :-(  BTW, if 
anyone knows why they haven't come out with a dual processor K7 box, let me 
know.

-jeff


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RE: Which computer to buy ?

2001-02-16 Thread Joris Lambrecht
let's not get carried away here, tom admit's the P4 is inferior to the K7
... FOR NOW ... once P4 optimized program's start showing up you'll see the
K7 squashed on nearly every account, the more expensive P4 will pay off
then.

Also, Linux is more likely to support the P4 any time soon then any other
OS. Let's not forget that there is allready a 64-bit version of linux
running on the P4, recompiling your program's on this platform will yield a
SERIOUS performance gain.

My guess is that if you're on a budget (who isn't) you have no 'choice' but
to go for a K7 with a 760 based chipset, the newer motherboards with the via
KT266 chipset are most advisable ... ddr is comming up to speed and dual
boards are expected round october

have fun,

joris



-Original Message-
From: Dr. Aldo Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:15 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which computer to buy ?


Cam Ellison wrote:
> 
> Lars Knudsen wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, Antonio!
> > >
> > > IMHO, you should buy Intel, since AMD chips don't do floating
> > > point operations adequately (these are important in graphics), unless
you
> >
> > This was true years ago but is certainly not true anymore.
> > The AMD Duron and Thunderbird chips are at least as good as
> > a PIII and very much better than the P4. The P4 is only
> > worthwhile if you have applications that are specifically
> > optimized for it and as far as I know no such applications
> > exists for Linux.
> >
> 
> A recent article in The COmputer Paper (you could find it in
> www.canadacomputes.com. I think) found the Athlon 1.2 whipped the P4 in
> virtually every test category.  And it's less than half the price,
> especially when you add memory into the equation.
> 
> --
> Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych.

Something similar is reported in http://www.tomshardware.com

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RE: Wake Up on LAN

2001-02-16 Thread Joris Lambrecht
you're motherboard AND bios is supposed to support it to

-Original Message-
From: D-Man [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:47 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Wake Up on LAN


On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:56:10PM +0100, Barthazi Andras wrote:
| Hi!
| 
| I should have to write a Backup system at my
| company, and I need a program can wake up
| the workstations. I know that I have to send
| the the "Magic code", do you know a program
| can solve it for me? And is it true, that
| I can just wake up a machine that suspended
| before (not a machine turned off -- with a
| motherboard under power)?
| 

I don't know much about WOL, but my ethernet card (LinkSys) has WOL
capability.  From what I gather, the ethernet card gets plugged into a
special plug on the motherboard (there is a cable on the card).  When
the ethernet card gets some signal, it sends the appropriate signal to
the motherboard, which then wakes up the system.  I don't know what
the signals are or how to config the system but I do know that the
motherboard must support it.

-D


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RE: Burning CD-ROMs as user

2001-02-16 Thread Joris Lambrecht
i do have an RTFM problem, to little time is the definition

-Original Message-
From: Martin Albert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:59 PM
To: Joris Lambrecht
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Burning CD-ROMs as user


On Thursday 15 February 2001 13:07, Joris Lambrecht wrote:
> if it's a good idea to let all users use it, why not just change the
> execute permission to world permissions ?
>
> Also, i took a look at gcombust (yuck) and couldn't find a way to
> burn 12x cdrom's does anyone have any advice on this, i'm even
> thinking about commerial software right now, burning cd's seems (like
> browsers) rather rudimentary.

It seems you have a RTFM problem?
Do sth. against it or spend the $$ to have somebody else do it for you.

Having setup your /etc/defaults accordingly, there could be nothing 
easier than 'cdrecord isofile'. Knowing how to use your Desktop-env. 
you might even have that as an icon or sth. But unitl you find the 
right item to click, i'm halfway through with burning :)

man cdrecord is all you need.

btw. cdrecord can not gain real-time privileges when started by a user.

greetings, martin


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Re: Which computer to buy ?

2001-02-16 Thread Lars Knudsen
Joris Lambrecht wrote:
> 
> let's not get carried away here, tom admit's the P4 is inferior to the K7
> ... FOR NOW ... once P4 optimized program's start showing up you'll see the
> K7 squashed on nearly every account, the more expensive P4 will pay off
> then.
> 
Looking at how things worked out with MMX I do not think its worth
waiting.
MMX is nice but in order to take any advantage of it you still need to 
assembler programming. From what I have seen the it is just as difficult
using the P4 SSE2 instructions and it is highly probable that they will
not be widely used unless someone makes gcc generate SSE2 code. This is
by no means a trivial task so I would expect it to take years if it
happens
at all.

> Also, Linux is more likely to support the P4 any time soon then any other
> OS. Let's not forget that there is allready a 64-bit version of linux
> running on the P4, recompiling your program's on this platform will yield a
> SERIOUS performance gain.
> 
I am very curious to see benchmarks supporting this claim. Anyone out
there
who has done some benchmarking and care to share the numbers with us ?

> My guess is that if you're on a budget (who isn't) you have no 'choice' but
> to go for a K7 with a 760 based chipset, the newer motherboards with the via
> KT266 chipset are most advisable ... ddr is comming up to speed and dual
> boards are expected round october
> 
> have fun,
> 
> joris
> 
Happy hacking,

\Gandalf



Re: debian command list

2001-02-16 Thread Bram Dumolin
will trillich([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:42:26PM -0600:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:40:19AM -0800, Mike Egglestone wrote:
> > Hi all...
> > I'm looking for a web site that would have 
> > a nice list and basic description of debian commands.
> > Anyone know of such a place?
> > 
> > or even just linux commands for that matter...
> 
> one cool trick most linux shells offer is 'completion' meaning:
> 
>   type a few letters and press TAB, to see what's available
>   that starts with that 'string' of letters.
> 
> try
> 
>   mo
>   apt
>   add
>   loc
> 
> and then to find more out about any of those, try
> 
>   man 
>   info 
>   [browse to] localhost/doc/ or -doc
>--help
> 
> commands available to your account are those in directories
> mentioned in your $PATH variable. try
> 
>   echo $PATH
> 
> to see them -- then nose around in each to see what's there.
> 

What you can also do, and how I learned a lot is :
cd /bin
whatis *

that will give you a small description of every command in there.

Try it for /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, ...

Then you can do man  or info  to get more information.

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[ANNOUNCE] automatic perl module building from CPAN

2001-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Sorry about the crosspost, but this is probably of interest to three
groups of people for different reasons.

1. Users:

I have just written CPAN::Debian, a perl module that allows you to download
and build fairly good Debian packages automatically of (almost) anything in
CPAN.

A sample run is probably the best explination. Warning, CPAN is pretty
verbose, and so is building a debian package; the result is pretty spammy.

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>perl -mCPAN::Debian -e shell

  cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.52)
  ReadLine support enabled

  cpan> makedeb Coy
  Going to read /home/joey/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
  Going to read /home/joey/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
  Scanning cache /home/joey/.cpan/build for sizes
  
There's a new CPAN.pm version (v1.59) available!
[Current version is v1.52]
You might want to try
  install Bundle::CPAN
  reload cpan
without quitting the current session. It should be a seamless upgrade
while we are running...
  
  Going to read /home/joey/.cpan/sources/modules/03modlist.data.gz
  CPAN: MD5 loaded ok
  Checksum for /home/joey/.cpan/sources/authors/id/D/DC/DCONWAY/Coy-0.05.tar.gz 
ok
  Coy-0.05/
  Coy-0.05/lib/
  Coy-0.05/lib/Lingua/
  Coy-0.05/lib/Lingua/EN/
  Coy-0.05/lib/Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm
  Coy-0.05/lib/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm
  Coy-0.05/lib/Coy.pm
  Coy-0.05/demo/
  Coy-0.05/demo/demo.pl
  Coy-0.05/Changes
  Coy-0.05/Makefile.PL
  Coy-0.05/README
  Coy-0.05/MANIFEST
  Removing previously used /home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05
  dh_testdir
  perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
  Checking if your kit is complete...
  Looks good
  Writing Makefile for Coy
  /usr/bin/make OPTIMIZE="-O2 -g -Wall"
  make[1]: Entering directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  mkdir blib
  mkdir blib/lib
  mkdir blib/arch
  mkdir blib/arch/auto
  mkdir blib/arch/auto/Coy
  mkdir blib/lib/auto
  mkdir blib/lib/auto/Coy
  mkdir blib/man3
  cp lib/Coy.pm blib/lib/Coy.pm
  cp lib/Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm blib/lib/Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm
  cp lib/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm blib/lib/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm
  Manifying blib/man3/Coy.3pm
  Manifying blib/man3/Lingua::EN::Hyphenate.3pm
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  /usr/bin/make test
  make[1]: Entering directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  No tests defined for Coy extension.
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  touch build-stamp
  dh_testdir
  dh_testroot
  dh_clean -k
  /usr/bin/make install 
PREFIX=/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr
  make[1]: Entering directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  Installing 
/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr/share/perl5/Coy.pm
  Installing 
/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr/share/perl5/Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm
  Installing 
/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr/share/perl5/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm
  Installing 
/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr/share/man/man3/Coy.3pm
  Installing 
/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05/debian/libcoy-perl/usr/share/man/man3/Lingua::EN::Hyphenate.3pm
  ## Differing version of ./Coy.pm found. You might like to
  rm /usr/lib/perl5/Coy.pm
  ## Differing version of Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm found. You might like to
  rm /usr/lib/perl5/Lingua/EN/Hyphenate.pm
  ## Differing version of Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm found. You might like to
  rm /usr/lib/perl5/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm
  ## Running 'make install UNINST=1' will unlink all those files for you.
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/joey/.cpan/build/Coy-0.05'
  dh_installdocs README
  dh_installchangelogs Changes
  dh_strip
  dh_compress
  dh_fixperms
  dh_installdeb
  dh_perl
  dh_shlibdeps
  dh_gencontrol
  dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
  perl -i -pe 's/(Depends: .*), $/$1/' debian/libcoy-perl/DEBIAN/control
  dh_md5sums
  dh_builddeb --destdir=/home/joey
  dpkg-deb: building package `libcoy-perl' in 
`/home/joey/libcoy-perl_0-1_i386.deb'.

  cpan> exit
  Lockfile removed.

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>dpkg --info libcoy-perl_0-1_i386.deb
   new debian package, version 2.0.
   size 29340 bytes: control archive= 908 bytes.
   299 bytes,12 lines  control  
   637 bytes, 9 lines  md5sums  
   269 bytes, 8 lines   *  postinst #!/bin/sh
   200 bytes, 6 lines   *  prerm#!/bin/sh
   Package: libcoy-perl
   Version: 0-1
   Section: interpreters
   Priority: optional
   Architecture: i386
   Depends: perl
   Installed-Size: 90
   Maintainer: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Description: Like Carp - only prettier
The Coy perl module from CPAN.
.
This package was automatically created by CPAN::Debian.

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>lintian libcoy-perl_0-1_i386.deb 
  W: libcoy-perl: executable-not-elf-or-script 
./usr/share/perl5/Lingua/EN/Inflect.pm
  W: libcoy-perl: executable-not-elf-or-script

Multicast Problem!!!

2001-02-16 Thread vrd_boss
Hello, 
  I don't know how to join to a multicast 
group in Linux.
  My ethernet card is multicast enabled.
 (from the ifconfig)
  Could You tell me how to join to a 
multicast group.
  Please help me.

Deva.

Enjoy being an Indyan at http://www.indya.com



Re: [ANNOUNCE] automatic perl module building from CPAN

2001-02-16 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 02/16/01 Joey Hess wrote:
> Sorry about the crosspost, but this is probably of interest to three
> groups of people for different reasons.
> 
> 1. Users:
> 
> I have just written CPAN::Debian, a perl module that allows you to download
> and build fairly good Debian packages automatically of (almost) anything in
> CPAN.
> 
> A sample run is probably the best explination. Warning, CPAN is pretty
> verbose, and so is building a debian package; the result is pretty spammy.
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>perl -mCPAN::Debian -e shell
> 
>   cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.52)
>   ReadLine support enabled
> 
>   cpan> makedeb Coy
[...]
> Oh, and it utterly depends on the latest perl packages in unstable. Nothing
> else will do. Bod has done great things with MakeMaker, which was really what
> made this possible.

Been there, done that. A few months ago. We even discussed it on debian-perl.

$ dh-make-perl --build --cpan Coy
[...]
dpkg-deb: building package `libcoy-perl' in `../libcoy-perl_0.05-1_all.deb'.

> 2. Developers:
> 
> It's also possible to just debianize a module, yeilding a debianized
> source tree and not building a deb. Developers may find this to be a
> decent starting point at making a debian package of something in CPAN, for
> release into Debian. For example:
> 
> perl -m CPAN::Debian -le 'CPAN::Shell->expand("Module",shift)->debianize' 
> Term::Slang

$ dh-make-perl --cpan Coy

It works also if you have unpacked the source, just cd into it and dh-make-perl.
It also has an override mechanism to build perl modules that require special
treatment (special arguments passed to Makefile.PL, on the fly patching etc.)
Oh, and it doesn't touch that ugly CPAN.pm codebase (this is a feature:-).
It could certainly be improved, I'll update it to comply with the new perl 
policy,
but, hey, that's out only for a couple of days...

lupus

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Using Printer (shared per SMB-protocoll)

2001-02-16 Thread Hanno Böttcher
Hi all!

At work I have a winnt mashine sharing the laser printer. No I want to
configure my linux mashine to use this printer. For Example after
configuring I want to do sth. like this:

" man xyz > sharedprinter "

At the moment I have no X running (that's why I need to have some manpages
printed, I hate reading on screen, e.g. you can't mark anything etc.).

What do I have to do to use the shared printer?


Thx in advance

Hanno



Windowmaker & GNOME -> Maximizing...

2001-02-16 Thread Sander Smeenk \(CistroN Medewerker\)
Hello,

I noticed that with the newer wmaker (Version: 0.63.1-3) and gnome
(Version: 1.2.4-helix2) they made some changes to the 'maximize'
window functionality. 

To clarify the situations I have made 4 screenshots and included
the URL's in this message... They are approx. 20k each. JPG's 800x640.

I have a little 'Aligned Panel' in the upper right corner of my screen
which holds GnomeICU, and I have an 'Edge Panel' on the bottom of my
screen... (http://www.freshdot.net/debian/desktop-withpanels.jpg)

Before all the trouble started, when I 'Maximized' a window, the window
would in fact fill my whole screen, and the Gnome Panels would lie on
TOP of it.  (http://www.freshdot.net/debian/maximized-therightway.jpg)

Then suddenly, after a dist-upgrade (I run unstable), the maximize option
maximized windows between the bottom of the 'Aligned Panel' and the top
of the AUTO-HIDDEN (!) Edge Panel. So the window would cover my whole
screen, except for the size of the Aligned Panel on the top.
(http://www.freshdot.net/debian/maximized-stage2.jpg)

But now, all of the sudden, windows maximize to the bottom of the 'Aligned
Panel' and to the top of the SHOWN Edge Panel, EVEN when the Edge Panel is
hidden (rolled in). (http://www.freshdot.net/debian/maximized-wrong.jpg)

I *really* do not like this at all, and I would like to know if anyone has
a solution for this. I can't find and options to allow windows to maximize
UNDER panels, as it did before...

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Sander.


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Re: lower res in X4 than X 3.3.6

2001-02-16 Thread David Purton
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin Albert wrote:

> On Thursday 15 February 2001 13:50, David Purton wrote:
> > another weird thing with my X upgrade
> >
> > is that using the X4 server I can't get the same res as when I was
> > using X3.3.6.
> >
> > The modeline is the same, but X4 complains that the vertical timing
> > is out of range.  I've tried to fiddle with the timings, but seem
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>   VertRefresh ???
> 

no - I've got both the vert and horiz refresh rates set to appropriate
ranges for my monitor (ViewSonic 17" G771)

I've tried taking all the modelines out and letting X come up with the
bes it can.  This achieves 1280x960 - which is still not as good as
under X 3.3.6 or even windows.

my video card is a 4MB diamond stealth II S220 which uses a redition
2100 chipset.



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Re: HD size problem (IBM 30 GB)

2001-02-16 Thread Bram Dumolin
re,

CaT([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:41:12PM +1100:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:38:14PM +0600, Bram Dumolin wrote:
> > > This'll get you a testing fdisk compiled for your system. Worked 
> > > brilliantly
> > > for me.
> > 
> > uhm the fdisk source isn't there...
> > not in stable, not in testing, ...
> > Can you give me your sources.list entry?
> 
> Ooops. linux-util or util-linux is what you want. my line is:
> 
> deb-src ftp://debian-ftp.pacific.net.au/debian testing main contrib non-free
> 
> change the hostname to what's appropriate for you.

tnx :)

But still doesn't work...
Might be a kernel driver prob... 2.0.33 is pretty old...
Too bad of the patches, I should rewrite them I guess.

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Re: xdm takes ages to start after X upgrade

2001-02-16 Thread David Purton
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin Albert wrote:

> On Thursday 15 February 2001 13:42, David Purton wrote:
> > mmm - I knew one problem was hoping for too much.
> >
> > I think I remember a post about this before but I can't find it in
> > the archives.
> >
> > Since upgrading to Woody and X 4 xdm takes a lng time to start
> > (like a minute or so)
> >
> > Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> i dodn't follow the thread you mentioned to it's end, but my assumption 
> was an uncommented CHOOSER line in /etc/X11/Xaccess.
> 

It does look to be this sort of problem, but everything is commented out
in the /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess file.





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Re: Multicast Problem!!!

2001-02-16 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 04:40:02PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello, 
>   I don't know how to join to a multicast 
> group in Linux.
>   My ethernet card is multicast enabled.
>  (from the ifconfig)
>   Could You tell me how to join to a 
> multicast group.
>   Please help me.

Do you have some specific multicast group in mind?  All the applications
that utilize multicast can do it by themselves already, it's only a few
lines of code.  

Or do you want to join a multicast group in your own program?  If so, here
the few lines of code I mentioned.  It's totally untested, lacks all error
checking and such, but should give you the idea.

struct ip_mreq imr;
int sock;
sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0);
memset(&imr, 0, sizeof(imr));
inet_aton("224.0.0.1", &imr.imr_multiaddr);
setsockopt(sock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP, &imr, sizeof(imr));


However, if your upstream router does not support multicast routing,
joining a multicast group won't do you much good since you will be limited
to the multicast traffic within your own LAN.


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Re: Multicast Problem!!!

2001-02-16 Thread Lars Knudsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>   I don't know how to join to a multicast
> group in Linux.
>   My ethernet card is multicast enabled.
>  (from the ifconfig)
>   Could You tell me how to join to a
> multicast group.

>From the user point of view multicast is no different than unicast. You
insert the appropriate address in the application and that is it. 

I suspect your problem might be more related to one of two things:
1. Problems with the application, or
2. Your net connection does not allow multicast.

If you could indicate more precisely what you are trying to do it would
be easier to help you with (1). With regards to (2), the problem is that
multicast does not just depend on the server and the client but also on
the routers in between. If the routers are not capable of doing
multicast
(or are not configured to do it) then multicast will not work.

Happy Hacking,

\Gandalf



Re: xdm takes ages to start after X upgrade SOLVEDish

2001-02-16 Thread David Purton
I'v solved this prob by changing this line in xdm-config from true to
false:

! All displays should use authorization.
! X terminals may not be configured that way, so they will require
! individualized resource settings.
DisplayManager*authorize:   false


but it suggests it should be true - why? and if this is important can I
set it up so there isn't the delay starting?


On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin Albert wrote:

> On Thursday 15 February 2001 13:42, David Purton wrote:
> > mmm - I knew one problem was hoping for too much.
> >
> > I think I remember a post about this before but I can't find it in
> > the archives.
> >
> > Since upgrading to Woody and X 4 xdm takes a lng time to start
> > (like a minute or so)
> >
> > Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> i dodn't follow the thread you mentioned to it's end, but my assumption 
> was an uncommented CHOOSER line in /etc/X11/Xaccess.
> 


Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars 
on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...

Francis A Schaeffer

David Purton

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Re: HD size problem (IBM 30 GB)

2001-02-16 Thread Erdmut Pfeifer
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 06:04:47PM +0600, Bram Dumolin wrote:
> re,
> 
> CaT([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:41:12PM +1100:
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:38:14PM +0600, Bram Dumolin wrote:
> > > > This'll get you a testing fdisk compiled for your system. Worked 
> > > > brilliantly
> > > > for me.
> > > 
> > > uhm the fdisk source isn't there...
> > > not in stable, not in testing, ...
> > > Can you give me your sources.list entry?
> > 
> > Ooops. linux-util or util-linux is what you want. my line is:
> > 
> > deb-src ftp://debian-ftp.pacific.net.au/debian testing main contrib non-free
> > 
> > change the hostname to what's appropriate for you.
> 
> tnx :)
> 
> But still doesn't work...
> Might be a kernel driver prob... 2.0.33 is pretty old...

there were various size-limits in older kernels/BIOSes...
For example there was one at 33.8 GB. Are you sure your drive is
exactly 30 GB, and not a few percent larger?
You'll find more details on this in the following howto:

http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk.html


> Too bad of the patches, I should rewrite them I guess.

as a temporary solution you might try to find a patch for your kernel
version. If I remember correctly, there is one for 2.0.38, maybe you
can somehow get that working for 2.0.33... 
In the long run, it would probably be a better idea to rewrite your
patches ;)

Erdmut


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RE: Wake Up on LAN

2001-02-16 Thread c-3
For WOL you need to know the node adress of the network card in 
the computer you want to wake up. Under Windows you can easily 
get it by winipcfg. But can someone tell me how to get it under 
linux?

Christian

> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:56:10PM +0100, Barthazi Andras wrote:
> | Hi!
> | 
> | I should have to write a Backup system at my
> | company, and I need a program can wake up
> | the workstations. I know that I have to send
> | the the "Magic code", do you know a program
> | can solve it for me? And is it true, that
> | I can just wake up a machine that suspended
> | before (not a machine turned off -- with a
> | motherboard under power)?
> | 



Re: problem with sound

2001-02-16 Thread c-3
Date sent:  Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:20:40 +0100
From:   Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:Re: problem with sound
Forwarded by:   debian-user@lists.debian.org

> I think I wasn't too harsh or something.
> But rebooting in order to see if the sound card was detected at
> boot-time is about the most dumb reason to reboot I can think of.
> Phil

Yes, it is, when you know where to get the information elsewere. 
But right now I'm still having the problem not to know where I can 
get which information.



Re: changing *.wav to *.mp3

2001-02-16 Thread Hall Stevenson
> I was just wondering if their was a program for Linux
> (or one that comes with Debian) that could convert
> wave files to mp3's.

bladeenc



Re: Question re. AbiWord

2001-02-16 Thread Andrew Perrin
Sure - check out man xhost. If (like me) you're a totally isolated host
you can just do 

xhost +

in a terminal window owned by the user running X; that will allow ANY
host, ANYWHERE, to  display om your machine. If you're connected to the
net you might want to refine your xhost command to allow only specific
hosts/users.

ap

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ross Boylan wrote:

> Is there a way to give root (or anyone else) permission so this error
> doesn't come up?  I login to a non-root account (gdm), but sometimes I
> open a terminal as root and want to run a graphical application.  I
> always get the error message that kicked this thread off.
> 
> The error doesn't seem to cause any bad effects, but it suggests
> all is not well.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:45:23PM -0500, Tyler Braun wrote:
> > Are you trying to run it from a terminal that you're currently root in, 
> > while
> > you're using X as a regular user? If so just stop being root and it should 
> > be
> > ok.
> > 
> > Otherwise, try:
> > 
> > export display=:0.0
> > 
> > I *THINK* that will do the trick.
> > 
> > On Thu Feb 15/2001 @ 10:02:P -0500, Radhika Sambamurti - 718-622-8304 wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I recently downloaded and installed AbiWord for my Debian Potato 2.2r
> > > Linux.
> > > The exact error message that I got when i tried to run it was:
> > > 
> > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> > > 
> > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
> > > 
> > > If anybody could help me out here... I would like to know what the above
> > > error messages mean, and if possible which dependency conflict i have to
> > > resolve.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Radhika
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update

2001-02-16 Thread Tyler Braun
I experienced the same problems with my intellimouse. What you're looking for is
quite simple, I guessed at how I could get the new Zaxis line and it worked. =] 

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Protocol""IMPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device"  "/dev/psaux"

Good luck!

Ty

On Thu Feb 15/2001 @ 11:02:P -0500, Dave Bresson wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> 
> I'm having a problem with my Microsoft Intellimouse (an intellimouse with
> two buttons and a scroll wheel that uses the ps/2 interface) since going
> from a 2.2.x kernel to 2.4.1.  The way i have setup (and how everything
> worked perfectly before this upgrade) was that gpm was set to read from
> /dev/psaux using the imps2 protocol.  It then repeats this to /dev/gpmdata
> which i then have /dev/mouse linked to.  My XF86Config-4 is setup so that
> it knows the mouse is at /dev/mouse, and uses the imPS/2 protocol.  I also
> have a line for the Zaxis stuff to get the scroll wheel to act like
> buttons 4 and 5 in X so that the wheel works.  Anyway, all this is well
> and good because it was this exact setup that worked before the new
> kernel.  Anyway, since upgrading the kernel, gpm no longer works on
> /dev/psaux with the imps2 protocol (hence, X doesn't work either...).  The
> mouse just goes all crazy moving all over the place, and pushing random
> buttons and what not.  So i set gpm and X to use the regular ps/2
> protocol, and everything was fine, however i get no third button or
> scroll wheel anymore, which sucks.  Just in case this was just a gpm
> problem, i tried having X read directly from /dev/psaux using the IMPS/2
> protocol, but unfortunately got the same bad result.  Does anyone have any
> idea what might be the problem here?  It had to have been something i
> configured wrong in the kernel...however i don't know what, since it just
> made the IMPS/2 stuff not work, while the regular PS/2 still works...very
> strange.  Any ideas, or tips?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Mozilla .8

2001-02-16 Thread ray p
I'm now running the Progeny debs for Mozilla .7. I would like to go to 
.8 but so my menus and stuff do not get broken I would like to go with 
debs. So does anyone know if there are any Mozilla .8 debs out there yet?

Thanks much.



Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread Lute Mullenix
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 07:55:15PM -0800, Forrest English wrote:
> 
> !! Why abuse your friends by starting them out on an inferior product and
> then making them *relearn* how to do things the Debian way. Be a real
> friend and help them start off with the
> !! *right* distribution.
> !! 
> !! John
> 
> or you could get down off your high horse...
> 
> realize that linux, is still linux.  all of those still have a lot of
> debian's good parts there, basically with some gui config tools, which are
> good for the handholding that some people need in the beginning (although,
> i balk at the idea of corel). i've gone redhat > mandrake > storm >
> debian.   i like debian a lot.but, i still recommend mandrake or storm
> to people that i can't personally help all the time to do things "the
> right way".
> 
> what is it about debian that inspires such zealotry?
> 
> -- 
> Forrest English
> http://truffula.net
> 
Hear! Hear! Case in point. I just used a Debian install (rescue) disk to
save my SuSE install. What! you say. As pointed out, Linux is Linux, when I
ran fsck.ext2 it didn't care what logo was on the CD I had installed the
system from, it just knew it was Linux and was happy to do it's job.

I too am moving to Debian, for my own reasons, but there are some things I
will miss about my SuSE install, may just keep one on it's own partition.
So, if you have a distro you like, use it, it's as much Linux as the next
one.

I have a Storm distro as yet un-opened, that I was planning on using to get
started with Debian, but after a few tries, starting to get the hang of the
Debian install utility.

Gee, that felt kinda good...

>Lute< 



Re: problem with sound

2001-02-16 Thread Philipp Schulte
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 01:51:27PM +0100, c-3 wrote: 

> > I think I wasn't too harsh or something.
> > But rebooting in order to see if the sound card was detected at
> > boot-time is about the most dumb reason to reboot I can think of.
> > Phil
> 
> Yes, it is, when you know where to get the information elsewere. 
> But right now I'm still having the problem not to know where I can 
> get which information.

Logfiles are stored in /var/log like /var/log/syslog or
/var/log/messages
Useful information about your hardware is "stored" (not really stored)
in /proc. For example $/sbin/lspci -v reads from /proc/bus/pci and
displays information about you PCI-devices.
Phil



Re: Mozilla 0.8

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
Just install the binaries into your home dir or /usr/local ..because your 
settings are created in ~//.mozilla you wont lose them anyway, unless 
ofcourse mozilla 0.8's settings differ much from 0.7. 

Btw, if you do decide to install from the binaries (or source) then remember 
to remove the plugins dir in your new mozilla directory and softlink 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to /mozilla/plugins. Otherwise when you 
install a plugin it will install itself in /usr/lib/plugins but Moz will only 
still look in its own plugins dir.

One last thing, Moz also needs write access to its own directory otherwise it 
wont run.

> I'm now running the Progeny debs for Mozilla .7. I would like to go to
> .8 but so my menus and stuff do not get broken I would like to go with
> debs. So does anyone know if there are any Mozilla .8 debs out there yet?
> Thanks much.



Re: xdm takes ages to start after X upgrade

2001-02-16 Thread MaD dUCK
(someone please forward this to the original poster)

please try to enable an x font server as well as portmap/sunrpc
services, and see if the problem persists. if it does, then no clue.
if the above solves it, then welcome to my boat. we can team up to
find a solution...

martin

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Re: Net-tools

2001-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
"Ken Sandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has the net-tools bug been fixed yet?  I mean, jeez..I would have
>thought so...after fixing it once, I thought I could wait 3 days and
>it'd be fixed...but no..I did a dist-upgrade again and my system drops
>to the floor like before..so I punch the door and wait for some more.

Yes.

net-tools (1.58-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * backported ifconfig change from 1.59 to avoid closing socket too early
on some systems (depending on the protocols installed). 
Closes Bug: #85688, #85743

 -- Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:39:59 +0100

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upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread Nils Crefeld
Hello,

i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to upgrade to xfree
4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into my sources.list, but
then dselect wants to update all newer packages. i just want to upgrade the
xserver (and maybe some other packages x depends on) and not everything. is
there a way to do this?

Nils



DSL & NT

2001-02-16 Thread Erich Baur
Hi *,

Since some days I'm able to access the internet through a MS Proxy Server
(MS Proxy Server 2.0 runs on a NT machine in a network). I just had
to change to Browser/Proxy settings to the right values. 
But how is it possible to bring programms like fetchmail, micq, ftp etc. to
work? Under MS Windows I need to install MS Proxy Client for such things,
but under Debian?

Please help, I don't have any ideas (I'm a newcomer).

Thanks in advance

Erich

PS: Would you please cc your replies to my email-address? At the moment I'm
not subscribed to the list because of some problems with my mail programm.
Thanks.

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how to "remove" Xfree?

2001-02-16 Thread seg

 I know I could probably find this info in HOWTOs or whatnots, but I am
pretty it's quite simple and one of you nice fellows won't mind spending a
few lines of text to explain:) I basicly want to boot up in the DOS like
"interface", no fancy stuff (just running firewall). Thx




Re: Net-tools

2001-02-16 Thread Norman Walsh
|   * backported ifconfig change from 1.59 to avoid closing socket too early
| on some systems (depending on the protocols installed). 
| Closes Bug: #85688, #85743

This didn't resolve my NFS error 111 problem. Does anyone have other
suggestions? (I have checked that the portmapper starts first, and I'm
pretty sure it does.)

Be seeing you,
  norm

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http://nwalsh.com/| undervalue others, and he that
  | undervalues others will oppress
  | them.--Dr. Johnson



Special issues with X on a TFT screen?

2001-02-16 Thread Daniel de los Reyes
I am helping a friend set his X on a Laptop. The graphic chip is handled by the 
SVGA server. I have configured the whole thing using XF86Setup and 
Xconfigurator and after that manually tweaking the setup file.
I get the X server up,(the gray screen) but when it tryes to switch, the screen 
becomes black and there is no way to get it back.
I suppose it is stepping out of the frecuencies allowed by the TFT screen.
I am not very sure home a TFT screen works, it seems to me vertical frecuency 
is fixed? I haven't been able to get any information from the vendor.
Any help?
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Re: DSL & NT

2001-02-16 Thread Hanno Böttcher
The simple way would be to make a linux mashine the router and simply
masquerade.what about that?`

bOhA
- Original Message -
From: Erich Baur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:43 PM
Subject: DSL & NT


> Hi *,
>
> Since some days I'm able to access the internet through a MS Proxy Server
> (MS Proxy Server 2.0 runs on a NT machine in a network). I just had
> to change to Browser/Proxy settings to the right values.
> But how is it possible to bring programms like fetchmail, micq, ftp etc.
to
> work? Under MS Windows I need to install MS Proxy Client for such things,
> but under Debian?
>
> Please help, I don't have any ideas (I'm a newcomer).
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Erich
>
> PS: Would you please cc your replies to my email-address? At the moment
I'm
> not subscribed to the list because of some problems with my mail programm.
> Thanks.
>
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Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread SamBozo Debian User
Hello to the group,
Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting
just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys
that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for
different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restart
It's a wonderful thing to already know all this... how about sharing?
And if the standard RTFM reply is to be used ... please specify which
freaking manual we are refering to reading.
Any hostility you may percieve is directed at my newbie ignorance and
the "joys"? of the learning curve ... gurrr!

TIA,
Sam Morgan

http://www.wcc.net/~peacemkr



ltx2rtf compilation

2001-02-16 Thread Nabil Hathout
Hello,

I want to compile the ltx2rtf (5.0) program on my debian 2.2 machine. The make
fails on the main.c file.  Did someone succeed in this compilation?

Thank you in advance

--Nabil
hathout:~/ltx2rtf/src-gcc>make -f makefile.lnx
rm -f main.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c fonts.c -o fonts.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c cdirect.c -o cdirect.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c commands.c -o commands.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c stack.c -o stack.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c funct1.c -o funct1.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c funct2.c -o funct2.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -c ignore.c -o ignore.o
gcc -g -funsigned-char  -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/local/lib/ltx2rtf\" -c main.c -o 
main.o
main.c: In function `Convert':
main.c:491: invalid operands to binary ==
make: *** [main.o] Error 1
hathout:~/ltx2rtf/src-gcc>



Re: RE: Wake Up on LAN

2001-02-16 Thread romain lerallut
if you mean the MAC address, that info is provided by ifconfig if my memory is 
correct.


Romain

 Begin Original Message 
 From: c-3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:51:28 +0100
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Wake Up on LAN

For WOL you need to know the node adress of the network card in 
the computer you want to wake up. Under Windows you can easily 
get it by winipcfg. But can someone tell me how to get it under 
linux?

Christian

> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:56:10PM +0100, Barthazi Andras wrote:
> | Hi!
> | 
> | I should have to write a Backup system at my
> | company, and I need a program can wake up
> | the workstations. I know that I have to send
> | the the "Magic code", do you know a program
> | can solve it for me? And is it true, that
> | I can just wake up a machine that suspended
> | before (not a machine turned off -- with a
> | motherboard under power)?
> | 


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Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting
>just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys
>that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for
>different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restart

Almost always, '/etc/init.d/foo restart' will do the job. If it isn't a
daemon, then just quit and restart.

The only exceptions I can think of offhand are /etc/lilo.conf, where you
need to run /sbin/lilo and then reboot if you want the new kernel to be
loaded (of course :)), and /etc/inittab, where 'telinit q' will reload
it.

>   It's a wonderful thing to already know all this... how about sharing?
>And if the standard RTFM reply is to be used ... please specify which
>freaking manual we are refering to reading.

Heh. If I use a bare "RTFM" without saying which one, do remind me ...
it's easy to forget when it's ages since you read it first.

There's a surprising amount of information in the Debian FAQ
(http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/); I'm not sure if this specific question
is answered there, but I'm willing to bet the maintainer(s) would
welcome additions and improvements to it.

Cheers,

-- 
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2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Brad Cramer
I am not really new to linux (used Redhat for 3 years) but I am a recent
Debian convert and I have a coulpe of simple questions. I am running Debian
Woody and everything is up to date but I want to know how to change the type
of system or version of Debian that shows up on a console login screen.
Right now it says testing/unstable I looked at /etc/debian_version and it
said the same thing there and I changed it to Woody but that didn't make any
difference, any ideas? The other question may be a little more complicated.
I am using gdm to login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to try
out Gnome but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and kde
together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with one that
just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help, if I start kde it
works fine and it is a script that just has exec /usr/bin/startkde, any
ideas on this one?
Thanks
Brad Cramer



Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Sebastiaan


On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Colin Watson wrote:

> SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting
> >just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys
> >that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for
> >different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restart
> 
> Almost always, '/etc/init.d/foo restart' will do the job. If it isn't a
> daemon, then just quit and restart.
> 
For non daemons, kill -HUP  will also work well.

> The only exceptions I can think of offhand are /etc/lilo.conf, where you
> need to run /sbin/lilo and then reboot if you want the new kernel to be
> loaded (of course :)), and /etc/inittab, where 'telinit q' will reload
> it.
> 
> > It's a wonderful thing to already know all this... how about sharing?
> >And if the standard RTFM reply is to be used ... please specify which
> >freaking manual we are refering to reading.
> 
> Heh. If I use a bare "RTFM" without saying which one, do remind me ...
> it's easy to forget when it's ages since you read it first.
> 
> There's a surprising amount of information in the Debian FAQ
> (http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/); I'm not sure if this specific question
> is answered there, but I'm willing to bet the maintainer(s) would
> welcome additions and improvements to it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread mike polniak
John Carline wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I got a few friends who are interested in (trying)linux. For TRYING 
> > purposes I want them to use a debian based Linux. I love using debian 2.2
> > and I am pretty new my-self(1.5 year). I think it might be a little to
> > overwelming for them. I beleive there are three to chose from Corel, Storm
> > and Libranet.
> 
> Actually there are four good choices. Debian, Debian, Debian and Debian. ;-)
> 
> Why abuse your friends by starting them out on an inferior product and then 
> making them *relearn* how to do things the Debian way. Be a real friend and 
> help them start off with the
> *right* distribution.

Try Stormix. Its Debian with a easy installer and a great gui
replacement for dselect called stormpkg (which is also available from
woody). The installer will also set up X window for you.
I've tried Mandrake, SuSe, FreeBSD and Debian. Stormix is the
easiest set up and the easiest to upgrade pkgs with stormpkg.
Just go to stormix.com and d/l the boot floppies or iso image
for Hail which is Debian potato.The DebianPlanet interview with the
Debian project leader even quotes him as saying Stormix has some great
developers who share with the Debian community. 
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Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Anthony Fox
"Brad Cramer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> other question may be a little more complicated.  I am using gdm to
> login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to try out Gnome
> but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and kde
> together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with
> one that just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help,
> if I start kde it works fine and it is a script that just has exec
> /usr/bin/startkde, any ideas on this one?

Enlightenment is a window manager that runs on top of gnome.  Gnome
does not have its own window manager.  KDE on the other hand is both
the desktop environment and the window manager.

So you can't really run gnome without a window manager.  You need
enlightenment or sawfish or some wm.

I am not sure what you mean when you say kde and gnome start
together.  I don't see how this is possible.  I think gnome and kde
have support modes for each other, but you wouldn't, say, get both the
gnome panel and the kde panel.

HTH,
Anthony



Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread "Martin_Tanzer"



As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the hostname and
want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull.

For the deamons the startscripts redide in /etc/init.d (SuSE/sbin/init.d/) and
all accept start, stop, sometimes status, reload, restart. Try it by typing them
without an argument.
When you edit /etc/inittab, which is a little dangerous for newbes, you reload
with init q.

If you are not sure wich deamons you have to restart, change the runlevel. init
1 brings you to the singleuser mode without network I think, init 2 i.e. brings
you to runlevel 2 and starts whatever you've defined in /etc/init.d/rc2.d. I
allways use that if I change the IP-Address, because I am to lazy to restart the
network and the routing ;-)

The Linuxcommunity is proud of their uptimes, so we never reboot...

martin





SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 16.02.2001 15:37:06

An: Debian User List 
Kopie:   (Blindkopie: Martin Tanzer/dvs/DE)
Blindkopie:Martin Tanzer/dvs/DE
Thema:  Rebooting is foolish 




Hello to the group,
 Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting
just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys
that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for
different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restart
 It's a wonderful thing to already know all this... how about sharing?
And if the standard RTFM reply is to be used ... please specify which
freaking manual we are refering to reading.
 Any hostility you may percieve is directed at my newbie ignorance and
the "joys"? of the learning curve ... gurrr!

TIA,
Sam Morgan

http://www.wcc.net/~peacemkr


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Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread peter
Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
> Hello,
>
> i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to upgrade to
> xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into my
> sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer packages. i just
> want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x depends on)
> and not everything. is there a way to do this?
>
> Nils

hi ...

try to use apt-get

with "apt-get update" you receive the package informations (provided by 
/etc/apt/sources.list)...
with "apt-get install " you get the wanted packages...
but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use "apt-get -s install 
",
then apt-get only shows what it "would" do...

i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...

greets peter



Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Percival
That would be the way you should be able to do it. I was never 

able to get it to work. Too many things that broke other things 

etc. I just ended up going to testing and have been *very* happy 

with it so far. With a couple of minor exceptions nothing has 

broken and it is in terms of performance just as stable as Potato, 

IMHO.
-- Original Message --
From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:05:42 +0100

>Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to 

upgrade to
>> xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into 

my
>> sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer 

packages. i just
>> want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x 

depends on)
>> and not everything. is there a way to do this?
>>
>> Nils
>
>hi ...
>
>try to use apt-get
>
>with "apt-get update" you receive the package informations 

(provided by 
>/etc/apt/sources.list)...
>with "apt-get install " you get the wanted 

packages...
>but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use "apt-get -s 

install 
>",
>then apt-get only shows what it "would" do...
>
>i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...
>
>greets peter
>
>
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Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Percival
That would be the way you should be able to do it. I was never 
able to get it to work. Too many things that broke other things 
etc. I just ended up going to testing and have been *very* happy 
with it so far. With a couple of minor exceptions nothing has 
broken and it is in terms of performance just as stable as Potato, 
IMHO.
-- Original Message --
From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:05:42 +0100

>Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to 

upgrade to
>> xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into 

my
>> sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer 

packages. i just
>> want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x 

depends on)
>> and not everything. is there a way to do this?
>>
>> Nils
>
>hi ...
>
>try to use apt-get
>
>with "apt-get update" you receive the package informations 

(provided by 
>/etc/apt/sources.list)...
>with "apt-get install " you get the wanted 

packages...
>but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use "apt-get -s 

install 
>",
>then apt-get only shows what it "would" do...
>
>i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...
>
>greets peter
>
>
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why does Apache depend on MySQL libs?

2001-02-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to install Apache without any MySQL libs. Why does Apache
depend on MySQL in the first place? Seems like if it depended on any DB it
should be Postgres. :-)

-Ian



Re: how to "remove" Xfree?

2001-02-16 Thread USM Bish
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:58:34AM -0500, seg wrote:
> 
>  I know I could probably find this info in HOWTOs or whatnots, but I am
> pretty it's quite simple and one of you nice fellows won't mind spending a
> few lines of text to explain:) I basicly want to boot up in the DOS like
> "interface", no fancy stuff (just running firewall). Thx
> 
---end quoted text---

   In Debian if "X" is installed, by default, boots into "xdm"
   "gdm" etc. depending upon your window manager installation. 
   To avoid this, use [update-rc.d] program,  meant for chang-
   ing init parameters in Sys-V init process.   
   
   Read man for this.
   
   #update-rc.d -f xdm remove
   
   The things that are done by the script include removal of
   all system startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm ... i.e.

   /etc/rc0.d/K01xdm
   /etc/rc1.d/K01xdm
   /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc3.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc4.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc5.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc6.d/K01xdm

   You will boot into tty mode therafter, and would have to
   use "startx" subsequently to get into "X".

   USM Bish





eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a "Bad file
descriptor" error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
anymore.

How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I
keep it from happening again?

adTHANKSvance,
Chris



apt-get via firewall

2001-02-16 Thread hanasaki
Is there a way to run apt-get through a ftp/http firewall?

Thank you



re discombobulated mirrors

2001-02-16 Thread Heitzso
this morning the de ftp debian unstable
mirror is trashed in that the list of avail
packages doesn't match what's actually
available (offending packages are perl
and tk) while the us ftp debian unstable
mirror miraculously got its act together
after umpteen days of package list not
matching avail packages

this is just an fyi for those of you 
using the de mirror that you may want
to point to the us mirror for awhile


Heitzso



Re: Slow SSH responses from server

2001-02-16 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:18:14PM -0800, Forrest English wrote:
> i think it's because your server isn't generating enough entropy.   enter
> random commands at the keyboard somtime.   do ls -lahR /that should
> get you enough randomness to last for awhile.

Any suggestions for keeping the entropy pool full on a headless box that
mostly just serves files and web pages?  Or will the nfs/http accesses
replenish it without requring console interaction?

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Re: why does Apache depend on MySQL libs?

2001-02-16 Thread brian moore
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:42:08AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to install Apache without any MySQL libs. Why does Apache
> depend on MySQL in the first place? Seems like if it depended on any DB it
> should be Postgres. :-)

Um, apache doesn't depend on MySQL.

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Serial ports - how to get them to coexist peacefully...

2001-02-16 Thread hogan
P133, 48MB RAM, Debian Testing/Unstable (some bits from unstable) 2.2.17 (move
to 2.4.1 on hold for time being whilst I read Rusty's howtos on netfilter etc.
:) ).

Have two onboard ports - ttyS0 and ttyS1 (IRQ 4&3 respectively)
Have an ISA IO card (everything disabled on card save ttyS3 and "lpt3" [dunno
linux equiv] - reason for ISA - only have half slot, full and VLB IO cards in
"stockpile" :) )

Have modem on ttyS0
Switch between mouse and Wyse60 terminal on ttyS1
Want mouse on ttyS3 but IRQ conflict ttyS1+ttyS3

Can I make the onboard and oncard ttyS's play nice on same IRQ?
... or should I play musical jumpers until they're on separate IRQs?

Read something in 2.4.1 kernel config about making serial ports nice to one
another when on same IRQ.. anything similar in 2.2.x? Should I go to 2.2.18 in
interim? Will I need a custom compile? ... Will Danger Mouse save Penfold in
time? :)



RE: Serial ports - how to get them to coexist peacefully...

2001-02-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> 
> Can I make the onboard and oncard ttyS's play nice on same IRQ?
> ... or should I play musical jumpers until they're on separate IRQs?
> 

I would change the jumpers.  Hoping the software ca multiplex is a recipe for
disaster.

> Read something in 2.4.1 kernel config about making serial ports nice to one
> another when on same IRQ.. anything similar in 2.2.x? Should I go to 2.2.18
> in
> interim? Will I need a custom compile? ... Will Danger Mouse save Penfold in
> time? :)
> 
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Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote:
> 
> Hello to the group,
> Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting
> just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys

try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
rebooting
not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
it.

fucking seagate hd. fucking sun!# argh.

lesson learned: in 5 years seagate still doesn't make hard disks that
are
worth a shit.(that was the last time i risked using them) in another 
system with seagate cheetahs on raid5, we had a drive die within a week
of the system going into production. quite sad.

nate

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Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Hall Stevenson
> try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad
> experience with rebooting not too long ago. a sun
> ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to move
> a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20
> hours rebuilding it.

Similar experience here at work with a Sun Sparc we had... moved from
one building to another and for whatever reason didn't hook the machine
back up right away (maybe the user wasn't here, it was a weekend, etc,
etc). When we did hook it up, we discovered we had a "sticktion" problem
! ;-)

One suggestion we had was to "drop" the case as we powered it up !!

Back to what you're talking about though, that's not the same as
rebooting. To me, rebooting is a "warm" restart. Shutting down entirely,
as in yours and my examples, are different.

Hall



Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
Anyone have any experience with DemoLinux?

Version 2.0 is based on Debian.  Its unique feature is that it runs a
complete Linux with KDE or Gnome or Enlightenment straight off of the CD
without installing to your hard drive at all.  If you like it you can
install it to your hard drive.  I ordered the CD in the hopes it would be
something easy to give to curious friends.  My copy should arrive in
today's or Monday's mail.

Homepage: http://www.demolinux.org/

Cheers,
Chris


On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I got a few friends who are interested in (trying)linux. For TRYING purposes 
> I want them to use a debian based Linux. I love using debian 2.2
> and I am pretty new my-self(1.5 year). I think it might be a little to 
> overwelming for them. I beleive there are three to chose from Corel, Storm
> and Libranet.
> 
> I have tried the first two but Libranet I have not tried yet. Anyone tried 
> Libranet? Are there any reasons not to use the others? I wouldn't want the 
> users to try Linux and despise it.
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Re: backing up a complete linux system

2001-02-16 Thread Krzys Majewski
"Mike Egglestone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all.
> I trying to do a backup of my system and I think I might have the
> backup part rightcorrect me if I'm wrong
> I could use this command
> 
> tar -cvzf hda2.tar.gz /
> ( I don't need to add this ... --exclude hda2.tar.gz do I ??) 

Yeah you probably  do. You might want to exclude  other stuff to, like
/proc, /mnt, /tmp, and possibly /dev.  Normally device files are created with
/dev/MAKEDEV. 

I back up my machine to 4 100MB ZIP disks, using tar via a script that
sets up  all the options, prompts for  the disks, etc. I  can mail you
the  script  if you  want.  I don't  back  up  everything either.  For
example,  the   only  thing  under   /usr  that  gets  backed   up  is
/usr/local. The  theory being  that I can  re-create the  debian stuff
with   the  appropriate   apt-get   commands,  given   the  stuff   in
/var/cache/apt and so  on. I've never had to  restore the whole system
though, so there might be some bugs to iron out ;)

> anyway... the part where I'm stuck... 
> I have no idea how to restore this tarred file on to a totally new
> drive
> my guess.
> add the other drive partition similar to hda  (swap and such)
> mount the partition say..mount /dev/hdc2 /mnt
> then untar the file  hda2.tar.gz into /mnt..
> now I should have 2 file systems ... one at "/"
> and the other at   "/mnt"
> so what do I do now?
> Just put  the hdc drive in  place of the hda drive...  redo lilo and
> presto? 

I'd probably first leave the two drives where they are, reboot to the LILO
prompt, pass a kernel parameter  like "root=/dev/hdc2", and see if the
new filesystem does the right  thing (ie boots). I've never replaced a
drive, but you might run into problems  e.g. if the new drive is a lot
bigger and  LILO gets confused, in  which case you might  have to read
the LILO docs and/or upgrade your LILO. 

-chris





Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
On Friday 16 February 2001 17:27, Nate Amsden wrote:
> try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
> rebooting
> not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
> move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
> it.
>
> fucking seagate hd. fucking sun!# argh.
>
> lesson learned: in 5 years seagate still doesn't make hard disks that
> are
> worth a shit.(that was the last time i risked using them) in another
> system with seagate cheetahs on raid5, we had a drive die within a week
> of the system going into production. quite sad.

heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob 
with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm 
guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as 
someone already said installing a new kernel.. but otherwise..

urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any suggestions 
anyone? 

it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated code) 
that handles nested tables well.. and yes i know they shouldnt be used too 
much, and i wouldnt if i had a server to run apache and a DB



Re: Wake Up on LAN

2001-02-16 Thread Krzys Majewski
I use /usr/sbin/arp. 
There  are  programs that  build  WOL packets  out  there  - look  for
ether-wake.c, for example,
-chris


c-3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> For WOL you need to know the node adress of the network card in 
> the computer you want to wake up. Under Windows you can easily 
> get it by winipcfg. But can someone tell me how to get it under 
> linux?
> 
> Christian
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:56:10PM +0100, Barthazi Andras wrote:
> > | Hi!
> > | 
> > | I should have to write a Backup system at my
> > | company, and I need a program can wake up
> > | the workstations. I know that I have to send
> > | the the "Magic code", do you know a program
> > | can solve it for me? And is it true, that
> > | I can just wake up a machine that suspended
> > | before (not a machine turned off -- with a
> > | motherboard under power)?
> > | 
> 
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Re: necesito información sobre Hurd

2001-02-16 Thread D-Man
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:24:58AM +0100, wolfman wrote:
| 
|La cuestión es donde puedo encontrar el kernel para bajarmelo???
|

I don't understand much Spanish (no hablo mucho espanol), but maybe
this will help :

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/

-D



Re: eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Chris Gray wrote:

> I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
> information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
> the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a "Bad file
> descriptor" error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
> anymore.
>
> How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I

net-tools version 1.58-1 was broken

Install net-tools != 1.58-1

> keep it from happening again?

Don't run unstable - it's normal that unstable sometimes breaks.

> adTHANKSvance,
> Chris

cu,
Adrian

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Re: apt-get via firewall

2001-02-16 Thread Moritz Schulte
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a way to run apt-get through a ftp/http firewall?

"ftp/http firewall"?
If you're doing packet filtering, allow those packets. Or set up a
ftp/http proxy.

hth,
moritz
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Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread SamBozo Debian User
Nate Amsden wrote:

> try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
> rebooting
> not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
> move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
> it. 
> nate

I Have had a simular experience (admitedly as a newbie, so wasn't adapt
at saving the install) I had a box up for a month ... made many changes.
Everything was fine.  Had to shutdown for a thunderstorm. On reboot
install was dorked ... which one of the 100's of changes I made killed
it ???
 
Lesson learned:
Newbie responce ... 
even if it is linux ... 
reboot so you know which change/upgrade killed it ... 
ie better chance to fix it. 

I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ... 
but how else do you know?
Please tell me?
I'll change my evil ways...  

Sam



kde ignores /etc/profile

2001-02-16 Thread Tibor D.

Hi,
what am I doing wrong? I changed the PATH-line in /etc/profile 
(including now /usr/local/xyz/bin), at the end there is also an "export 
PATH"-line, but when I login via kdm (as user) into kde (version 2 and 
2.1beta), there's still the old PATH set (even after rebooting!). So I 
logged in to another windowmanager, but there it works. Any ideas how to 
correct kde's behaviour?




Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote:

> heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob
> with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm
> guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as
> someone already said installing a new kernel.. but otherwise..

back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives
and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail
within
3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever
since
i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've only had
1 drive die since(maxtor) in 1998 ..

> 
> urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any suggestions
> anyone?
> 
> it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated code)
> that handles nested tables well.. and yes i know they shouldnt be used too
> much, and i wouldnt if i had a server to run apache and a DB

use vmware..win4lin or something.. i use vmware and it works good. needs
a lot
of ram.. but with 256MB sticks going for under $95 these days ...doesn't
hurt to get 512MB :)

ive been using vmware since the very earliest betas..works great on 
win9x/nt/2k and freebsd4 slackware/debian/redhat/corel/caldera even
solaris 7 x86. rock solid program, never had it crash on me.

doesn't work for games and stuff..but should be fine for dreamweaver if
thats
what you wanna use.

nate

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Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote:

> I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ...
> but how else do you know?
> Please tell me?
> I'll change my evil ways...

if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it
prompts for
the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runlevel 2. that will
effectivly
restart all programs on the system except (i think) init, and of course
the 
kernel.

restarting programs really depends on the program, some have scripts to
restart them, others respond to the  -HUP kill signal, but not all. init
1
is the next best thing to rebooting without actually having to reboot.

nate

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Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Tom Pfeifer
To change the login prompt message, you can edit the file /etc/issue.
You will probably have to restart the login on each console for the
change to take effect. For example you could log in, and then log out,
and you will see the new message.

Tom

Brad Cramer wrote:
> 
> I am not really new to linux (used Redhat for 3 years) but I am a recent
> Debian convert and I have a coulpe of simple questions. I am running Debian
> Woody and everything is up to date but I want to know how to change the type
> of system or version of Debian that shows up on a console login screen.
> Right now it says testing/unstable I looked at /etc/debian_version and it
> said the same thing there and I changed it to Woody but that didn't make any
> difference, any ideas? The other question may be a little more complicated.
> I am using gdm to login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to try
> out Gnome but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and kde
> together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with one that
> just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help, if I start kde it
> works fine and it is a script that just has exec /usr/bin/startkde, any
> ideas on this one?
> Thanks
> Brad Cramer
>



Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
> back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives
> and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail
> within
> 3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever
> since
> i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've only had
> 1 drive die since(maxtor) in 1998 ..

..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, 
but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something 
about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM 
maybe?

> use vmware..win4lin or something.. i use vmware and it works good. needs
> a lot of ram.. but with 256MB sticks going for under $95 these days 
>...doesn't hurt to get 512MB :)

mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good 
WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time.


William



annoying modules.dep message

2001-02-16 Thread Dave Bresson


Hi,

Just a quick question that shouldn't be too hard to answer.  Since rolling
my own 2.4.1 kernel, I'm getting this annoying message during bootup that
i can't get to go away:

modprobe:  Note:  /etc/modules.conf is more recent than 
/lib/modules/2.4.1/modules.dep


i tried doing a 'depmod -a' to redo the modules.dep file, and then reboot,
however i still got this message.  Somewhere during the bootup process
something must be doing a touch on modules.conf or something to cause
this.  Perhaps it's the modprobe call in /etc/init.d/modutils ?  I looked
at that script, but couldn't figure it out.  Could anyone tell me how to
fix this?


thanks,


dave



Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote:

> ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe,
> but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something
> about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM
> maybe?

IBM is all i use now.. i'd buy a maxtor if i wanted a 80GB drive..but i
haven't
tried em yet. but for reliability and running cooler i use ibm.
performance
isn't most important for me. quantum is ok too but they seem to need
more
cooling fans:) last year i had 2 quantums overheat in my desktop even
though i had about 9 fans in the system..they run ok now..added 6 more
fans.

nate


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Re: eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
Thanks, Adrian,

That did the trick.

I know the risks of running unstable and I'm willing to take them to get
the more up-to-date packages.  Actually, I run the stable dist on a
somewhat more mission critical machine.

Chris


On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Chris Gray wrote:
> 
> > I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
> > information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
> > the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a "Bad file
> > descriptor" error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
> > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
> > anymore.
> >
> > How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I
> 
> net-tools version 1.58-1 was broken
> 
> Install net-tools != 1.58-1
> 
> > keep it from happening again?
> 
> Don't run unstable - it's normal that unstable sometimes breaks.
> 
> > adTHANKSvance,
> > Chris
> 
> cu,
> Adrian
> 
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> 
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Re: how to remove auto start to X

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
If you prefer a simpler method simply use dselect to uninstall xdm or
whatever X login you are using. When you come up in a console mode launch X
using startx.

Cheers,

Robin

- Original Message -
From: "USM Bish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: "seg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: how to "remove" Xfree?


> On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:58:34AM -0500, seg wrote:
> >
> >  I know I could probably find this info in HOWTOs or whatnots, but I am
> > pretty it's quite simple and one of you nice fellows won't mind spending
a
> > few lines of text to explain:) I basicly want to boot up in the DOS like
> > "interface", no fancy stuff (just running firewall). Thx
> >
> ---end quoted text---
>
>In Debian if "X" is installed, by default, boots into "xdm"
>"gdm" etc. depending upon your window manager installation.
>To avoid this, use [update-rc.d] program,  meant for chang-
>ing init parameters in Sys-V init process.
>
>Read man for this.
>
>#update-rc.d -f xdm remove
>
>The things that are done by the script include removal of
>all system startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm ... i.e.
>
>/etc/rc0.d/K01xdm
>/etc/rc1.d/K01xdm
>/etc/rc2.d/S99xdm
>/etc/rc3.d/S99xdm
>/etc/rc4.d/S99xdm
>/etc/rc5.d/S99xdm
>/etc/rc6.d/K01xdm
>
>You will boot into tty mode therafter, and would have to
>use "startx" subsequently to get into "X".
>
>USM Bish
>
>
>
>
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Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread Juergen Fiedler
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] automatic perl module building from CPAN

2001-02-16 Thread will trillich
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:47:39AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> -- 
> see shy jo, who is ready to throttle CPAN for its insessient
> "There's a new CPAN.pm version (v1.59) available!"

hear hear!

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xwd (GIMP) screen cap error

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. I get an error sometimes when attempting a screen capture:

xwd: Warning. Error in XWD-color-structure (flag)
xwd: EOF encountered on reading
xwd: load_image (xwd): XWD-file /root/.gimp/tmp/gimp_temp.277523.xwd has
format 2, depth 24
and bits per pixel 24.
Currently this is not supported.

What's this trying to tell me?

Strangely, sometimes screen capture has a problem and sometimes it doesn't.
If Netscape is up on the screen then screen caps tend to work better. Why
would this be? I'm trying to capture screens containing different video
players (so I can show what the players look like). I can capture (with
difficulty) everything but Xtheater.

Please pardon if this is the wrong place to ask this. I'm guessing it is a
system configuration error, not really an xwd or GIMP problem. I'm running
Potato and XFree 3.3.x. If there is a better place to ask let me know.

Thanks,

Robin



Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Brad Cramer
Thanks that ddid the trick
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-users" 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: 2 simple questions


> To change the login prompt message, you can edit the file /etc/issue.
> You will probably have to restart the login on each console for the
> change to take effect. For example you could log in, and then log out,
> and you will see the new message.
>
> Tom
>
> Brad Cramer wrote:
> >
> > I am not really new to linux (used Redhat for 3 years) but I am a recent
> > Debian convert and I have a coulpe of simple questions. I am running
Debian
> > Woody and everything is up to date but I want to know how to change the
type
> > of system or version of Debian that shows up on a console login screen.
> > Right now it says testing/unstable I looked at /etc/debian_version and
it
> > said the same thing there and I changed it to Woody but that didn't make
any
> > difference, any ideas? The other question may be a little more
complicated.
> > I am using gdm to login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to
try
> > out Gnome but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and
kde
> > together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with one
that
> > just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help, if I start
kde it
> > works fine and it is a script that just has exec /usr/bin/startkde, any
> > ideas on this one?
> > Thanks
> > Brad Cramer
> >
>
>
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Fetchmail & Sendmail

2001-02-16 Thread Rob Hudson
I'm using the fetchmail-procmail-sendmail combo to get mail off of a
mailserver, filter it, and read it locally.  I'm using that same mail
server to pass sent mail to.

In this case, I don't know if sendmail is overkill and if I should be
using something different.

What I'd like to fix is this...

When fetchmail gets mail, I think it passes it to sendmail which
checks to make sure the domain exists.  Today, my DNS servers listed
in /etc/resolv.conf were down, and all the mail I fetched got bounced
and lost.  I'd like for this not to happen and get any and all mail
that is in my box no matter if it's spam and has an unresolvable
domain or not.  How can I set this up?

Thanks,
Rob



XFree86Config bpp depth confusion

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. I have a little confusion with XFree86Config. What is the difference
between bpp and color depth?

With the DefaultColorDepth set to 24 my screen rate was 115 hz, but at 32 it
is just 85 (max 86). What does choosing 32 or 24 signify? Isn't 24 bits as
much as there actually is?

At 85 hz I can almost (but not quite) get the screen to fit to the edges of
my monitor. Using 85 hz in Win2k/NT/98 booting on the same machine works
fine. In XFree86 3.3.x Potato there is a half inch of black left at the
bottom edge I can't get rid of. Why can't I get the screen to fit using
xvidtune?

Thanks! Relevant sections of XFree86Config below.

Cheers,

Robin

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Primary Monitor"
VendorName  "ViewSonic"
ModelName   "E790"
HorizSync   30-95
VertRefresh 50-200
# DefaultColorDepth 24:
#   Modeline  "1024x768"  115.50 1024 1104 1296 1440 768 771 781
802 -hsync -vsync
#   Modeline  "1024x768"  115.50 1024 1088 1280 1300 768 768 806
814 -hsync -vsync
# DefaultColorDepth 32:
#   Modeline  "1024x768"  85.00 1024 1104 1296 1440 768 771 781
802 -hsync -vsync
Modeline  "1024x768" 85.00   1024 1100 1292 1328768  771  781
794 -hsync -vsync
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier  "Primary Card"
   VendorName  "Unknown"
   BoardName   "Hercules Terminator 128 2X/i AGP"
   VideoRam8192
#Option "no_accel"
#Option "sw_cursor"
#Option "hw_cursor"
#Option "sgram"
#Option "sdram"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Driver  "SVGA"
   Device  "Primary Card"
   Monitor "Primary Monitor"
   DefaultColorDepth 32
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth8
  Modes"1024x768"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth15
  Modes"1024x768"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth16
  Modes"1024x768"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth24
  Modes"1024x768"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth32
  Modes"1024x768"
   EndSubSection
EndSection






Re: wav --> audio cd

2001-02-16 Thread Neilen Marais
Hi all

I find that for audio CDs, cdrdao works the best for met.  Cdrecord forces
a 2 second pause between each track.  Cdrdao can make an exact copy of a
cd, that will even cause the correct CDDA entry to be loaded.

Furthmore, it has an automagic copy command, where you just feed it the
original, followed by a blank, and Presto!

Cheers
Neilen



Re: Fetchmail & Sendmail

2001-02-16 Thread Matthew Sackman
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:46:10AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
> I'm using the fetchmail-procmail-sendmail combo to get mail off of a
> mailserver, filter it, and read it locally.  I'm using that same mail
> server to pass sent mail to.
> 
> In this case, I don't know if sendmail is overkill and if I should be
> using something different.
> 
> What I'd like to fix is this...
> 
> When fetchmail gets mail, I think it passes it to sendmail which
> checks to make sure the domain exists.

AFAIK, it is actually trying to work out where to deliver email: it is
using the DNS servers to try to work out the final destination for the email.
This behaviour is likely to be because of the usage of sendmail as a mail
gateway, though of course you yourself are not using it as such.

All you need to do (I think) is to make sure that in your /etc/nsswitch.conf
file you have the hosts line as dns first and then files. Hence:

hosts:  dns files
networks:   files

Thus if your dns servers are down then your computer will fall back on the 
files, in which case all you probably need is an entry or two in /etc/hosts
with a localhost entry and your hostname entry.

Personally I use postfix but the configuration is very similar to sendmail.

I could of course be very wrong here!

Matthew

>  Today, my DNS servers listed
> in /etc/resolv.conf were down, and all the mail I fetched got bounced
> and lost.  I'd like for this not to happen and get any and all mail
> that is in my box no matter if it's spam and has an unresolvable
> domain or not.  How can I set this up?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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XFree86 agpgart.o

2001-02-16 Thread peter
hi there !!

im recently trying to run an xserver on a "fuckin" (sorry) i810 intel board...
all those on-board stuff sucks... but anyways...

im running potato with a new 2.4.1 kernel ( i also got the new modutils and 
stuff and all works fine )...
on the xfree site they say to run the server with the i810 chipset i would
need a "agpgart.o" - module that comes with the server !?!
i cant find it anywhere... i got one compiled with the kernel and modprobe
loads it, but still the server wont start...

heres what it said =>

XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(de)" (overrides other XKB settings)
(**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/psaux, buttons: 3
(**) Mouse: 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms)
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "i810"
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor"
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
(**) FontPath set to 
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
(--) SVGA: PCI: Intel Unknown chipset (0x7121) rev 3, Memory @ 0xd800, 
0xdc10
(--) SVGA: error doing ioctl(GARTIOCINFO): Invalid argument
 
Fatal server error:
Aborting
 
When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages
 
XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
  after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

anyone got an idea ??

thx a lot...

peter



No incoming mail

2001-02-16 Thread Lars Jensen
Recently I installed my Debian 2.2 system, and I'm having a problem with
incoming mail. Outgoing mail works fine, but I don't get any main  from
the outside (local incoming mail works OK too). Any ideas how to fix
this? I've re-run eximconfig, but it doesn't help. My machine is 
permanently on the internet, so I made all the default choices when
running eximconfig. 

Lars.

%%%
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Linux Professional Institute

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Ferrari
On behalf of the Linux Professional Institute, I invite anyone
interested to participate in our current survey of Linux professionals.
We are in the process of developing our next level of tests for our
certification process. We need the help of Linux professionals and
system adminins to develop a strict standard for testing. Based on the
feedback in the study, a polymetrician will develop the tests to be
taken worldwide.

Furthermore, we could use the experience and professionalism of many
Debian developers to develop the next series which will deal with
hacking the kernel and much more advanced techniques. Please explore the

LPI web site, and see if there isn't someway your organization can help
us out. We truly would like your participation in this endeavor.

Also, we would like to spread the word to all your lists, that we are
certifying individuals who have passed our first series of exams. The
LPIC-1 is currently being issued after passing two exams costing a total

of $200.00.
The tests are available worldwide through VUE.

We look forward to your participation. Visit the web site at
www.lpi.org for more information on the survey and getting involved. We
appreciate your assistance in this matter. Thank you.

Ray Ferrari
650.322.3137
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

P.S.: This is not spam mail. I have also written to Wichert and Joey
Hess to help us with this. I have participated in Debian mailing lists,
and also helped Debian at Linux World/San Jose a couple of times.


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