Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete

2004-04-19 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Statistically speaking it's a very accurate generalization and I see
 little  reason  to  ignore  such  things based on what might be more
 politically  correct.

Please  show  me  the  IT-industry-wide statistics that show that your
profiled user is the _only_ notable recipient of spam (as this was the
_only_  supposed  profile  you mentioned).

I'm sure that our male-dominated financial clients that do business in
South  and Latin America, for one of many examples, would be delighted
to find that their business connections _never_ use spam-friendly ISPs
to send legitimate mail, including some governments.

And  our  manufacturing  clients, where men overwhelmingly set policy,
would also be happy to find that their inability to give any weight to
basic EHLO and PTR errors because their critical business partners are
rampantly  misconfigured  would  be pleasantly counterbalanced if they
just  replaced  all  of  the  40+ female employees drawing in all that
spam.

And--I   almost  forgot!--the  porn  floods  that  testosterone-soaked
trading  desks  and  mailrooms  mysteriously  receive  must be getting
rerouted...better open a support ticket for that one.

 As  a  result of this women, and especially women over the age of 30
 represent  a  disporportionally  large  number  of the accounts that
 receive over 100 spams a day.

Is  it  30,  or  is it 40? Is it the age at which ageism is, federally
recognized  (the  latter),  or  is  that not actually sound? Does your
figure  actually  hold  up  after  controlling  for  class, age, race,
gender,  industry,  job  title, personal/business primary use, et al.?
Can you possibly have a valid sample? I doubt it.

 You  can classify this in many different ways and get many different
 answers.

You  can  indeed.  Seems  you  chose the one that was most juicy for a
male-dominated space.

 Let  me  get  this  straight,  you  didn't  like my association of a
 particular   demographic   with  spam,  but  you  feel  that  it  is
 appropriate  to then classify young men as what created the Internet
 bubble?

No,  I  specifically said that they blew hot air into the bubble. To
attempt  to  say that young entrepreneurs were not the technical idea
men  behind  the  bubble  is  to  rewrite history. I was there on the
inside of eight or nine such nightmares and know so intimately.

 ...the young Internet entrepreneurs were just patsies in the game...

ROFLOL.  You might have prospered and lived to gloat about it, but you
never  worked  in  a  dotcom,  clearly  (or not in more than one lucky
exception).  Hey, yeah, without the VCs and IBs, it couldn't have been
what  it  was,  but  if  you  think  that  kewl and the accompanying
upselling  of  utter  non-implementable  nonsense  were  the  work  of
patsies, come on. It took two to tango.

Whatever,  everyone  has  their  grudges.  But  targeting a distinctly
disempowered demographic is infinitely more dangerous than laying into
young,  educated  men.  The  last  thing  IT  communities need is more
sexism.

--Sandy



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Todd
Jeff,

I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very useful
test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there are not
a lot of FPs.

I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.

Todd Hunter
Smart Mail


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 I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests.  Anyone have
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete

2004-04-19 Thread Matt




Sandy,

I really hate taking things to a personal level, but I digress in this
instance.

First, if you read my original post, I used two examples to show how
spam patterns can be very different based on the type of domain not
knowing what sort of traffic Goran was seeing and how he might modify
his approach. If you want to focus on the second example as being
inaccurate, obviously YMMV, however this is my experience and it's
stayed true as I've added more domains. Zombie spam is of course
different because people don't "opt-in" to zombie spam and while it
appears to not be gender or age biased based on who receives it, it is
gender and age biased in terms of content because illegal products sold
and illegal marketing is often performed, and pills and sex are highly
targeted at the male demographic.

Regarding your assertion about my experience...

 http://www.informationweek.com/703/03sskno.htm

Been there, done that :)

Matt



Sanford Whiteman wrote:

  
Statistically speaking it's a very accurate generalization and I see
little  reason  to  ignore  such  things based on what might be more
politically  correct.

  
  
Please  show  me  the  IT-industry-wide statistics that show that your
profiled user is the _only_ notable recipient of spam (as this was the
_only_  supposed  profile  you mentioned).

I'm sure that our male-dominated financial clients that do business in
South  and Latin America, for one of many examples, would be delighted
to find that their business connections _never_ use spam-friendly ISPs
to send legitimate mail, including some governments.

And  our  manufacturing  clients, where men overwhelmingly set policy,
would also be happy to find that their inability to give any weight to
basic EHLO and PTR errors because their critical business partners are
rampantly  misconfigured  would  be pleasantly counterbalanced if they
just  replaced  all  of  the  40+ female employees drawing in all that
spam.

And--I   almost  forgot!--the  porn  floods  that  testosterone-soaked
trading  desks  and  mailrooms  mysteriously  receive  must be getting
rerouted...better open a support ticket for that one.

  
  
As  a  result of this women, and especially women over the age of 30
represent  a  disporportionally  large  number  of the accounts that
receive over 100 spams a day.

  
  
Is  it  30,  or  is it 40? Is it the age at which ageism is, federally
recognized  (the  latter),  or  is  that not actually sound? Does your
figure  actually  hold  up  after  controlling  for  class, age, race,
gender,  industry,  job  title, personal/business primary use, et al.?
Can you possibly have a valid sample? I doubt it.

  
  
You  can classify this in many different ways and get many different
answers.

  
  
You  can  indeed.  Seems  you  chose the one that was most juicy for a
male-dominated space.

  
  
Let  me  get  this  straight,  you  didn't  like my association of a
particular   demographic   with  spam,  but  you  feel  that  it  is
appropriate  to then classify young men as what created the Internet
bubble?

  
  
No,  I  specifically said that they "blew hot air into the bubble." To
attempt  to  say that young entrepreneurs were not the technical "idea
men"  behind  the  bubble  is  to  rewrite history. I was there on the
inside of eight or nine such nightmares and know so intimately.

  
  
...the young Internet entrepreneurs were just patsies in the game...

  
  
ROFLOL.  You might have prospered and lived to gloat about it, but you
never  worked  in  a  dotcom,  clearly  (or not in more than one lucky
exception).  Hey, yeah, without the VCs and IBs, it couldn't have been
what  it  was,  but  if  you  think  that  "kewl" and the accompanying
upselling  of  utter  non-implementable  nonsense  were  the  work  of
patsies, come on. It took two to tango.

Whatever,  everyone  has  their  grudges.  But  targeting a distinctly
disempowered demographic is infinitely more dangerous than laying into
young,  educated  men.  The  last  thing  IT  communities need is more
sexism.

--Sandy



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[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Scripting batch files

2004-04-19 Thread Jason
Hello everyone.  

I have created a batch file that runs Bill's log analyzer that was made
available last week.  What I would like to do is have the DOS batch file
e-mail this each night at midnight using the previous days declude log
file.  I do not know much about date scripting in DOS batch files so any
help would be appreciated.  Here is the batch I have (very basic):


wamlog c:\imail\spool\dec0418.log  Stats.txt
imail1 -s Daily Spam Stats -t [EMAIL PROTECTED] -u Spam -h domain.com -f
Stats.txt



Thanks,


Jason

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Markus Gufler

 ... when  
 many  of the tests could be wrapped by SpamAssassin custom 
 rules ...


The only thing I fear, is that as soon as SA will have such a rule spammers
will immediatly rewrite their SW (or bether said email worms) and don't use
anymore IP-like HELO strings.

Markus


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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 The  only  thing I fear, is that as soon as SA will have such a rule
 spammers  will  immediatly  rewrite  their  SW (or bether said email
 worms) and don't use anymore IP-like HELO strings.

This would be reasonable if it were in the standard SA distro, but I'm
talking  about  community  sharing  of  custom rules. They could track
either  case,  but  even standard SA has remarkable accuracy given its
visibility.

--Sandy



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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete

2004-04-19 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 First, if you read my original post, I used two examples to show how
 spam  patterns can be very different based on the type of domain not
 knowing  what  sort  of  traffic  Goran  was seeing and how he might
 modify  his  approach.

Do you mean where you say--

 Domains  used  exclusively  for  business  and don't have much legit
 advertising or newsletters being sent are incredibly easy to manage

--?  The  reason  that  profile  didn't provoke comment one way or the
other  is that it's basically tautological. What you're saying is that
a  domain  that  doesn't get too much legit envelope-only mail doesn't
get  too  many  FPs  on envelope-only mail. That may be informative to
someone  who  knows  little  about  SMTP,  but  it  doesn't need valid
statistics  to  prove  it.  (Shades of when someone asked on the IMail
Forum, Can I safely disable envelope-only sending? I think it's realy
helpful?  Sure, if your users know what that will mean, it'll score a
knockout.)

On  the  other hand, a _human_ demographic without a valid sample is a
very different type of claim. Eschewing comment on the company profile
to  point out the biases of the human profile shouldn't be surprising,
since I sympathize more with humans than with companies.

 [zombie  spam]  is gender and age biased in terms of content because
 illegal  products sold and illegal marketing is often performed, and
 pills and sex are highly targeted at the male demographic.

Yes,  a  disproportionate  amount  of spam that has an explicit gender
target  (say, a pharmaceutical product to be applied to or ingested by
men,  or  porn  to be consumed by men of any orientation) targets men.
This  is not only because spammers (a) _assume_ a significant positive
reception  of  these  items  by male readers, but also (b) because the
products  and  services  offered  already  existed in disproportionate
quantity  in  the  physical world (and, of course, the two factors now
fertilize  each  other in the marketplace). There's also an _implicit_
gendering  of  other  types  of  spam in the other direction; a social
scientist  would  say  that  there is no product marketing that is not
gendered.  But  this is essentially off-topic: again, I doubt you will
find  that  the  age  and  gender  grouping  you  mention  achieves  a
_preeminence_  (say, a supermajority) in a valid sample of (American?)
e-mail users that explains its being used as the sole human profile in
your tutorial.

 http://www.informationweek.com/703/03sskno.htm

Good  coverage! But I don't see working for a hundred-year-old company
as  comparable to working for a start-up during the bubble; I guess if
that  advances your side of the bubble argument, I'm not feeling it. I
never  said  or  meant to imply that you didn't have bricks-and-mortar
experience.

--Sandy



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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete

2004-04-19 Thread Darin Cox
Sandy, I thought you were an east-coaster...you should get some sleep!
grin

Darin.


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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:43 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete


 First, if you read my original post, I used two examples to show how
 spam  patterns can be very different based on the type of domain not
 knowing  what  sort  of  traffic  Goran  was seeing and how he might
 modify  his  approach.

Do you mean where you say--

 Domains  used  exclusively  for  business  and don't have much legit
 advertising or newsletters being sent are incredibly easy to manage

--?  The  reason  that  profile  didn't provoke comment one way or the
other  is that it's basically tautological. What you're saying is that
a  domain  that  doesn't get too much legit envelope-only mail doesn't
get  too  many  FPs  on envelope-only mail. That may be informative to
someone  who  knows  little  about  SMTP,  but  it  doesn't need valid
statistics  to  prove  it.  (Shades of when someone asked on the IMail
Forum, Can I safely disable envelope-only sending? I think it's realy
helpful?  Sure, if your users know what that will mean, it'll score a
knockout.)

On  the  other hand, a _human_ demographic without a valid sample is a
very different type of claim. Eschewing comment on the company profile
to  point out the biases of the human profile shouldn't be surprising,
since I sympathize more with humans than with companies.

 [zombie  spam]  is gender and age biased in terms of content because
 illegal  products sold and illegal marketing is often performed, and
 pills and sex are highly targeted at the male demographic.

Yes,  a  disproportionate  amount  of spam that has an explicit gender
target  (say, a pharmaceutical product to be applied to or ingested by
men,  or  porn  to be consumed by men of any orientation) targets men.
This  is not only because spammers (a) _assume_ a significant positive
reception  of  these  items  by male readers, but also (b) because the
products  and  services  offered  already  existed in disproportionate
quantity  in  the  physical world (and, of course, the two factors now
fertilize  each  other in the marketplace). There's also an _implicit_
gendering  of  other  types  of  spam in the other direction; a social
scientist  would  say  that  there is no product marketing that is not
gendered.  But  this is essentially off-topic: again, I doubt you will
find  that  the  age  and  gender  grouping  you  mention  achieves  a
_preeminence_  (say, a supermajority) in a valid sample of (American?)
e-mail users that explains its being used as the sole human profile in
your tutorial.

 http://www.informationweek.com/703/03sskno.htm

Good  coverage! But I don't see working for a hundred-year-old company
as  comparable to working for a start-up during the bubble; I guess if
that  advances your side of the bubble argument, I'm not feeling it. I
never  said  or  meant to imply that you didn't have bricks-and-mortar
experience.

--Sandy



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Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete

2004-04-19 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Sandy, I thought you were an east-coaster...you should get some sleep!
 grin

Right  you  are. Actually, I'm supposed to be coding, but it's so easy
to get distracted...

--Sandy



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Thanks.. I've received a couple so far, so if you don't wish to send it,
it's ok..

But I do have another question for the list..  Pretty much the entries for
Global.CFG and the junkmail config for the spamdomains tests..  Which weight
seems to work best, etc.  This weekend, I've seen A LOT of spam that wasn't
caught that would if SPAMDOMAINS was being run (messages from Argentina but
listing Yahoo as the e-mail account)..

Thanks... -Jeff   

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Jeff,

I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very useful
test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there are not
a lot of FPs.

I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.

Todd Hunter
Smart Mail


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 Anyone?

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 I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests.  Anyone have
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ignore all tests

2004-04-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a way to IGNORE all tests on outbound customer mail.
Outgoing actions are determined by the settings in the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file.  If you set all the actions in that file to 
IGNORE, then no action will be taken on outgoing E-mail.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Todd,

Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I
would like to see what you have as a starting point.

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 Jeff,
 
 I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
useful
 test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
 weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there
are
 not
 a lot of FPs.
 
 I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.
 
 Todd Hunter
 Smart Mail
 
 
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:15 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 
  Anyone?
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Bud Durland
Matt wrote:

I have a few suggestions that you might want to consider.

The first one would be to skip processing of the message and just have 
Declude pass off the HELO as an argument to your script.  This can be 
done with %HELO%.  This will speed processing and ensure that the HELO 
comes in the proper context.  Declude can be configured for IPBYPASS 
settings which are used to skip over gateway mail servers and 
forwarding servers so that you have the HELO of the computer that is 
actually sending the E-mail.


That's a great idea!  Not sure why I didn't think of that in the initial 
implementation

Combining both of your tests into one program instead of two would 
also be useful.  You can use any code over 10 for this.  Declude also 
will only call the script once if the command is the same, and it will 
determine which test would be failed based on the result code that is 
returned.


For a non-zero test, I thought any non-zero result evaluates the same.  
I have considered configuring it to take a parameter to determine if the 
X test should be used.

The last thing that I'm not very clear about is the logic of the 
detection.  


Fairly straight forward:  for HELOISIP, convert dashes (-) to dots 
., strip out anything that's not a number or a dot, see if there's 4 
octets of numbers = 255. I'm not sure why Serge's example failed, I'll 
test later today.  It is possible that there would be a FP from a host 
name like host11.rack2.location3.bldg4.example.com.   His example 
(alias-1.c10-ave-mta1.cnet.com) should have become 1.10.1, and not 
failed the test -- only 3 numbers.

The HELOISIPX test only does the last step -- no tinkering with the 
content first.

I have a custom filter called DYNAMIC listed in the beta section of my 
site


Unfortunately, I don't have JM pro, so...

It's extremely unlikely that you would miss detecting a zombie using 
the reverse DNS entry as the HELO if you ignored hits below 20 because 
there aren't many ISP class A's in use below that level (I think just 
IBM), an you have 4 chances to hit a number above 20.

You're right, although ATT is in there as well, and they have a few 
internet customers, I think.

The pattern that you identified is of course a very nice addition to 
spam fighting.  Thanks!


We all try to do our part; thanks for the kind words and good suggestions!



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Doug McKee
Me too,
Thanks,
Doug

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:38 AM
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Todd,

Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I
would like to see what you have as a starting point.

Thanx



 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe



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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

 Jeff,

 I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
useful
 test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
 weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there
are
 not
 a lot of FPs.

 I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.

 Todd Hunter
 Smart Mail


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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:15 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file


  Anyone?
 
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  Hello,
  I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests.  Anyone have
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[Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
My favorite new filter has been the NOTENDSWITH...

But I've found a problem.

COUNTRY 5   NOTENDSWITH US

Using the above line, every country including the US gets five points.

May I also suggest a NOIS filter test?



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Rick Hogue
Me too. 


Rick Hogue
www.intent.net Web Hosting 1-800-866-2983
www.prosperity.com Featured web site
 
 

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

Me too,
Thanks,
Doug

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:38 AM
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Todd,

Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I would
like to see what you have as a starting point.

Thanx



 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe



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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

 Jeff,

 I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
useful
 test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14% 
 weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there
are
 not
 a lot of FPs.

 I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.

 Todd Hunter
 Smart Mail


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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:15 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file


  Anyone?
 
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  Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:26 AM
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  Hello,
  I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests.  Anyone have 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
I have 3 different Spamdomains.txt weights.

Outblaze, mail2world, and everyone.net domain's get 15 points (tag at 20, hold at 35)
Strong spamdomains get 10 points (rare false positives, MX servers with only one 
domain name).
Weak spamdomains get 7 points (domains more likely to false positive, MX servers with 
different domain names).

If you end up using more than one, beware of double-dipping with domains like:
online.de and worldonline.de

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/04 07:09AM 
Thanks.. I've received a couple so far, so if you don't wish to send it,
it's ok..

But I do have another question for the list..  Pretty much the entries for
Global.CFG and the junkmail config for the spamdomains tests..  Which weight
seems to work best, etc.  This weekend, I've seen A LOT of spam that wasn't
caught that would if SPAMDOMAINS was being run (messages from Argentina but
listing Yahoo as the e-mail account)..

Thanks... -Jeff   

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

Jeff,

I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very useful
test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there are not
a lot of FPs.

I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.

Todd Hunter
Smart Mail


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 Anyone?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Me three. ;)

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:56 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 Me too.
 
 
 Rick Hogue
 www.intent.net Web Hosting 1-800-866-2983
 www.prosperity.com Featured web site
 
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:55 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 Me too,
 Thanks,
 Doug
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:38 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 
 Todd,
 
 Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I
would
 like to see what you have as a starting point.
 
 Thanx
 
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
 
 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
  Jeff,
 
  I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
 useful
  test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
  weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there
 are
  not
  a lot of FPs.
 
  I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.
 
  Todd Hunter
  Smart Mail
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SBL-XBL Question

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
Many thanks, I couldn't find that info anywhere (else).

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/16/04 05:33PM 
Not surprising that you missed this one, based on the subject line:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg17684.html 

Sorry if this has already been answered here.  My inbound messages on this
list have been highly out of sort order.

Andrew 8)

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I see that the Spamhaus XBL returns values 127.0.0.4-6.

I'm currently using 127.0.0.4.
Can anyone tell me what return values 127.0.0.5 and 127.0.0.6 refer to?

Scott Fisher
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread declude
Me too!

Kevin

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Me three. ;)

John Tolmachoff
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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:56 AM
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 Me too.
 
 
 Rick Hogue
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 www.prosperity.com Featured web site
 
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:55 AM
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 Me too,
 Thanks,
 Doug
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:38 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 
 Todd,
 
 Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I
would
 like to see what you have as a starting point.
 
 Thanx
 
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
  Jeff,
 
  I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
 useful
  test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 14%
  weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and there
 are
  not
  a lot of FPs.
 
  I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.
 
  Todd Hunter
  Smart Mail
 
 
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  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 
   Anyone?
  
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   Hello,
   I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests.  Anyone have
   a file they would like to share that works well for them?
  
  
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[Declude.JunkMail] Global.CFG file for separate domains

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello,
I was wondering if it's possible with the standard version to create
a Global.cfg file or that type of file (whitelist and other configs) for
separate domains (like the $default$.junkmail file)..  Thanks..


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem

2004-04-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

My favorite new filter has been the NOTENDSWITH...

But I've found a problem.

COUNTRY 5   NOTENDSWITH US

Using the above line, every country including the US gets five points.
It seems that there is an issue with the code where NOTENDSWITH will not 
work properly if the length of the data you are looking at (COUNTRY, which 
might be FR if the E-mail was sent from France) is the same as what you 
are comparing it to (US).  This will be fixed in the next release.

In the meantime, you could:

COUNTRY -5  ENDSWITHUS

and then adding 5 points some other way (in the test definition, perhaps, 
or a line such as COUNTRY 5 ISBLANK).  That way, 0 points will be added 
for E-mail from the United States, but 5 points will be added for E-mail 
not from the United States.

May I also suggest a NOIS filter test?
That does sound like a good idea -- it has been added to the suggestion 
database.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I'd post the one I received off list, but am not sure if the original person
who sent it to me would like if I did..  I'll contact them and see if it
would be ok..  Just don't want to make anyone angry..  I'm sure they won't
care, but it would stink to post it and then have them come back bitchin'
that I did.. 

-Original Message-
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(Lists)
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Me three. ;)

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:56 AM
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 Me too.
 
 
 Rick Hogue
 www.intent.net Web Hosting 1-800-866-2983 www.prosperity.com Featured 
 web site
 
 
 
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 Me too,
 Thanks,
 Doug
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Goran 
 Jovanovic
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:38 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
 
 Todd,
 
 Would you mind sending me a copy of the spamdomain.txt file as well? I
would
 like to see what you have as a starting point.
 
 Thanx
 
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
 
 
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  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:19 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file
 
  Jeff,
 
  I see no one has answered you on this.  Spamdomains is a very
 useful
  test and I think you will like the results.  We get an average of 
  14% weekdays and 26% on weekends of our email fail Spamdomains and 
  there
 are
  not
  a lot of FPs.
 
  I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow.
 
  Todd Hunter
  Smart Mail
 
 
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   Anyone?
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Here's the spamdomains.txt file I received off-list (for our setup, I left
out the outblaze domains)..  Don't forget to add the needed entries to the
Global.cfg file and the $default$.junkmail files (see below)..

Global.cfg
_
SPAMDOMAINS spamdomains C:\IMail\Declude\spamdomains.txtx
15  0


$default$.junkmail
_
SPAMDOMAINS WARN


spamdomains.txt
_
@paypal.com .paypal.
citibank.com.ssmb.com
fleet.com   .bkb.com
wellsfargo.com  .norwest.com
.ebay.com  .emailebay.com
@ebay.com  .ebay.com
amazon.com
att.net
attbi.com
bellatlantic.netverizon.net
bellsouth.net
charter.net
china.com
comcast.net
compuserve.com
concentric..cnchost.com
cox.net
earthlink.
excite.com  excitenetwork.com
gte.net verizon.net
hotmail.com msn.com
juno.com
untd.com
@lycos.co.uklycos.
@lycos.com
mac.com apple.com
mailcity.comlycos.com
mindspring. earthlink.
msn.com hotmail.com
netscape.netaol.com
netzero.com untd.com
prodigy.net
qwest.net
.rr.com
sympatico.cabellnexxia.net
usa.net mx.net
wanadoo.fr
yahoo.
rocketmail.com  yahoo.com
zzn.com mailcentro.com
shaw.ca shawcable.net
icq.com
google.com

@2die4.com  outblaze.com
@accountant.com outblaze.com
@adexec.com outblaze.com
@africamail.com outblaze.com
@allergist.com  outblaze.com
@alumnidirector.com outblaze.com
@archaeologist.com  outblaze.com
@arcticmail.com outblaze.com
@artlover.com   outblaze.com
@asia.com   outblaze.com
@australiamail.com  outblaze.com
@berlin.com outblaze.com
@bikerider.com  outblaze.com
@catlover.com   outblaze.com
@cheerful.com   outblaze.com
@chemist.comoutblaze.com
@clerk.com  outblaze.com
@cliffhanger.comoutblaze.com
@columnist.com  outblaze.com
@comic.com  outblaze.com
@consultant.com outblaze.com
@counsellor.com outblaze.com
@cutey.com  outblaze.com
@deliveryman.comoutblaze.com
@diplomats.com  outblaze.com
@doctor.com outblaze.com
@doglover.com   outblaze.com
@dr.com outblaze.com
@dublin.com outblaze.com
@earthling.net  outblaze.com
@email.com  outblaze.com
@engineer.com   outblaze.com
@europe.com outblaze.com
@execs.com  outblaze.com
@financier.com  outblaze.com
@gardener.com   outblaze.com
@geologist.com  outblaze.com
@graphic-designer.com   outblaze.com
@hairdresser.netoutblaze.com
@hot-shot.com   outblaze.com
@iname.com  outblaze.com
@inorbit.comoutblaze.com
@insurer.comoutblaze.com
@japan.com  outblaze.com
@journalist.com outblaze.com
@lawyer.com outblaze.com
@legislator.com outblaze.com
@lobbyist.com   outblaze.com
@london.com outblaze.com
@loveable.com   outblaze.com
@mad.scientist.com  outblaze.com
@madrid.com outblaze.com
@mail.com   outblaze.com
@mindless.com   outblaze.com
@minister.com   outblaze.com
@moscowmail.com outblaze.com
@munich.com outblaze.com
@musician.org   outblaze.com
@myself.com outblaze.com
@nycmail.comoutblaze.com
@optician.com   outblaze.com
@paris.com  outblaze.com
@pediatrician.com   outblaze.com
@playful.comoutblaze.com
@poetic.com outblaze.com
@popstar.comoutblaze.com
@post.com   outblaze.com
@presidency.com outblaze.com
@priest.com outblaze.com
@programmer.net outblaze.com
@publicist.com  outblaze.com
@realtyagent.comoutblaze.com
@registerednurses.com   outblaze.com
@repairman.com  outblaze.com
@representative.com outblaze.com
@rescueteam.com outblaze.com
@rome.com   outblaze.com
@saintly.comoutblaze.com
@samerica.com   outblaze.com
@sanfranmail.comoutblaze.com
@scientist.com  outblaze.com
@seductive.com  outblaze.com
@singapore.com  outblaze.com
@sociologist.comoutblaze.com
@soon.com   outblaze.com
@teacher.comoutblaze.com
@techie.com outblaze.com
@tokyo.com  outblaze.com
@umpire.com outblaze.com
@usa.comoutblaze.com
@whoever.comoutblaze.com
@winning.comoutblaze.com
@witty.com  outblaze.com
@writeme.comoutblaze.com
@yours.com  outblaze.com


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Global.CFG file for separate domains

2004-04-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

I was wondering if it's possible with the standard version to create
a Global.cfg file or that type of file (whitelist and other configs) for
separate domains (like the $default$.junkmail file)..  Thanks..
No, the settings in the global.cfg file are global settings, and cannot be 
used on a per-user/per-domain basis.

For whitelisting, though, there is a new WHITELISTFILE option that allows 
you to create per-user (Pro version) or per-domain (Standard/Pro versions) 
whitelists.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Making stuff do what it's not supposed to

2004-04-19 Thread Timm Jasper
Using existing methods in Imail and Declude, is
there any way to get the revdns info to show on
the from: or the subj: line? I had someone ask,
didn't know and I did not see it in the archives,
and said I would try to find out.

So ...

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~  Timm Jasper   ~
~  Systems Administrator, TQCI   ~
~ 22861 Three Notch Road Suite 3 ~
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Scripting batch files

2004-04-19 Thread Jason
Responding to my own post:

Here is the final batch file with date scripting included.  It is
probably too basic, but if anyone can use it here it is:

for /F tokens=1-4 delims=/-  %%A in ('date/T') do wamlog
c:\imail\spool\dec%%B%%C.log   Stats.txt
imail1 -s Daily Spam Stats -f Stats.txt -t [EMAIL PROTECTED] -u Spam -h
domain.com



Jason


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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Scripting batch files


Hello everyone.  

I have created a batch file that runs Bill's log analyzer that was made
available last week.  What I would like to do is have the DOS batch file
e-mail this each night at midnight using the previous days declude log
file.  I do not know much about date scripting in DOS batch files so any
help would be appreciated.  Here is the batch I have (very basic):


wamlog c:\imail\spool\dec0418.log  Stats.txt
imail1 -s Daily Spam Stats -t [EMAIL PROTECTED] -u Spam -h domain.com -f
Stats.txt



Thanks,


Jason

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Jason
These headers didn't trigger the HELOISIP test.  It looks to me like
they should have.  Any Ideas?




Received: from adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.202.107.44]
by areatech.com
  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37557AB0118; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:42:45 -0500
Received: from iowiekwaoakkwjehckckw.com (iowiekwaoakkwjehckckw.com
[20.214.235.110])
by adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (Postfix) with
ESMTP id 24CB5D66BE
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:36:16 -0400
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:36:16 -0400
From: Counsellors T. Dissenters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.0) Personal
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Priority: 3
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Newlandj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A|D|V 1adies tthat wannt to encounter 5trangers
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/)
X-RBL-Warning: MAILFROM: Domain iowiekwaoakkwjehckckw.com has no MX or A
records [0301]. [2-26-d000]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCHK: Message failed SPAMCHK: 10. [2-37-12800]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 32 reaches or exceeds the limit of
10. [2-38-13000]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 32 reaches or exceeds the limit of
28. [2-41-14800]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [63.202.107.44]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL, MAILFROM, SPAMCHK, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20
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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Markus Gufler
Sandy, already awake?

I've tried to configure spamc32.

After installing cygwin under c:\cygwin your readme states to open a DOS
prompt, cd \cygwin\bin and type cygwin.
This wouldn't work with cygwin 1.5.9-1

In can find a cygwin.bat on c:\cygwin 
Starting this batch I can see a unix like command prompt and a bash:
/etc/profile: Permission denied
(Admin user, not NTFS restrictions)

Trying to start cpan results in:

bash-2.05b$ cpan
bash: cpan: command not found

Starting the batch file will open the cygwin prompt and cd into the bin
folder, so I'm already where cpan can be called directly.

In \cygwin\bin I can find a file cpan but seems to be one without an
extension. (Most other files has a .exe extension)

Any ideas?

Before I continue with this work. How good are SA results? I believe several
tests run's twice if configured in SA and Declude. 

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Making stuff do what it's not supposed to

2004-04-19 Thread Timm Jasper
Thanks for beaming me the info Scotty :)

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Using existing methods in Imail and Declude, is
there any way to get
the revdns info to show on the from: or the subj:
line? I had someone
ask, didn't know and I did not see it in the
archives, and said I would
try to find out.

I believe that you could use:

CATCHALLMAILS   SUBJECT [%REVDNS%]

to accomplish this.  You should then see the
reverse DNS entry at the beginning of the subject,
in brackets.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Bud Durland
Jason wrote:

These headers didn't trigger the HELOISIP test.  It looks to me like
they should have.  Any Ideas?
Received: from adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.202.107.44]
by areatech.com  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37557AB0118; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:42:45 -0500
 

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down to 63.202.107.44.03.  I'm thinking about how best to make this type 
of entry fail, without jacking up the risk of a false positive.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Matt
You should be fine as long as you don't do matches on numbers below 20, 
or at least that is my experience.  I'm thinking that you created this 
exception in order to head off that problem.  Minimally it's worth a try.

Matt

Bud Durland wrote:

Jason wrote:

These headers didn't trigger the HELOISIP test.  It looks to me like
they should have.  Any Ideas?
Received: from adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.202.107.44]
by areatech.com  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37557AB0118; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 
10:42:45 -0500
 

Because of the 'lsan03', the numeric characters in the host name boil 
down to 63.202.107.44.03.  I'm thinking about how best to make this 
type of entry fail, without jacking up the risk of a false positive.


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[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello,
I got a message that was from  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from
RoadRunners networks.  There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT
file.  I was just wondering what I would enter to make it so.

I did a NSLOOKUP on netscape.com and the MX record points to
mail.nescape.everyone.net.  So the entry I would enter would be:

netscape.comnetscape.everyone.net

Is this correct?  Just want to make sure if there are more later.  I
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Glenn Brooks
Will Heloisp run on NT ...I do not see any activity in task manager or in 
the declude logslog level MID



At 01:57 PM 4/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
You should be fine as long as you don't do matches on numbers below 20, or 
at least that is my experience.  I'm thinking that you created this 
exception in order to head off that problem.  Minimally it's worth a try.

Matt

Bud Durland wrote:

Jason wrote:

These headers didn't trigger the HELOISIP test.  It looks to me like
they should have.  Any Ideas?
Received: from adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.202.107.44]
by areatech.com  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37557AB0118; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 
10:42:45 -0500

Because of the 'lsan03', the numeric characters in the host name boil 
down to 63.202.107.44.03.  I'm thinking about how best to make this type 
of entry fail, without jacking up the risk of a false positive.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Jason
Don't know about NT4, but we are running it on Win2k using log level low
and it is working well.  I don't see it come up in the task manager
either, but it is running.


Jason



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Will Heloisp run on NT ...I do not see any activity in task manager or
in 
the declude logslog level MID



At 01:57 PM 4/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
You should be fine as long as you don't do matches on numbers below 20,

or
at least that is my experience.  I'm thinking that you created this 
exception in order to head off that problem.  Minimally it's worth a
try.

Matt


Bud Durland wrote:

Jason wrote:

These headers didn't trigger the HELOISIP test.  It looks to me like 
they should have.  Any Ideas?


Received: from adsl-63-202-107-44.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net 
[63.202.107.44] by areatech.com  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A37557AB0118; Mon,

19 Apr 2004 10:42:45 -0500


Because of the 'lsan03', the numeric characters in the host name boil
down to 63.202.107.44.03.  I'm thinking about how best to make this
type 
of entry fail, without jacking up the risk of a false positive.


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[Declude.JunkMail] Blackholes.us Resolution Problems

2004-04-19 Thread Don Brown
To save some trouble shooting time, see below

==Original message text===
On Apr 19, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Don Brown wrote:
 Are you having issues with your DNS servers or are you getting DOS'ed?
 We have noticed several connection failures in our log, starting
 yesterday morning.

 Thanks,

 
 Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.

Date: Monday, April 19, 2004, 12:57:59 PM
Subject: DNS Issues?

My poor servers are very overworked - just about everyone providing 
secondary service had to quit recently due to DDoS attacks or poor 
connectivity. However, someone has just donated two older Sun boxes to 
help with the problem and hopefully things will improve very soon.

- Matthew
===End of original message text===


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Ok.. Makes sense..  Thanks..
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:29 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

Jeff, the main problem with figuring out spamdomains entries is that you
really have to receive valid mail from the domain to really know.

If they have an SPF record, that's the easiest way to research them, but you
can also try the website at http://www.SenderBase.org to see what they've
noticed.  They've noticed one more host: dust.netscape.com

The problem with checking the MX record is that it is only for recording
inbound mail to Netscape.com, it doesn't necessarily say anything about
outbound mail from them, which is what you're after.

I suspect that your suggestion will work fine, as I think that they keep
their corporate domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business
as netscape.net ... 

Andrew 8)

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From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Hello,
I got a message that was from  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from
RoadRunners networks.  There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT
file.  I was just wondering what I would enter to make it so.

I did a NSLOOKUP on netscape.com and the MX record points to
mail.nescape.everyone.net.  So the entry I would enter would be:

netscape.comnetscape.everyone.net

Is this correct?  Just want to make sure if there are more later.  I
want to understand this so I don't keep asking.  Thanks.. -Jeff



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Matt
Andrew and Jeff,

Unfortunately Netscape.net is actually handled by aol.com when it is 
outgoing (which is what matters in this case).  I sometimes search my 
known good E-mail for outgoing servers, or Google for it by looking for 
header code along with the address and keeping in mind that a lot of 
that stuff is forged especially in newsgroups.  Here are the headers 
from a test of my own account:

Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33] by mx1.mailpure.com with ESMTP
 (SMTPD32-8.05) id AE31AB9B0140; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:05 -0400
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id j.1b5.a579353 (16239)
 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from  netscape.net (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by 
air-in03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILININ33-3f6f40841e2c327; Mon, 19 Apr 
2004 14:45:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
X-AOL-IP: 24.195.119.188
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: RFC-NOABUSE: Failed, listed in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org (weight 1).
X-MailPure: RFC-NOPOSTMASTER: Failed, listed in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org (weight 1).
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: Spam Score: 2
X-MailPure: Scan Time: 14:45:12 on 04/19/2004
X-MailPure: Spool File: D1e31ab9b01404b3e.SMD
X-MailPure: Server Name: imo-d01.mx.aol.com
X-MailPure: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: Received From: imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]
X-MailPure: Country Chain: UNITED STATES-destination
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: Spam and virus blocking services provided by MailPure.com
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Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

Jeff, the main problem with figuring out spamdomains entries is that you
really have to receive valid mail from the domain to really know.
If they have an SPF record, that's the easiest way to research them, but you
can also try the website at http://www.SenderBase.org to see what they've
noticed.  They've noticed one more host: dust.netscape.com
The problem with checking the MX record is that it is only for recording
inbound mail to Netscape.com, it doesn't necessarily say anything about
outbound mail from them, which is what you're after.
I suspect that your suggestion will work fine, as I think that they keep
their corporate domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business
as netscape.net ... 

Andrew 8)

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From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

Hello,
I got a message that was from  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from
RoadRunners networks.  There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT
file.  I was just wondering what I would enter to make it so.
I did a NSLOOKUP on netscape.com and the MX record points to
mail.nescape.everyone.net.  So the entry I would enter would be:
netscape.com	netscape.everyone.net

Is this correct?  Just want to make sure if there are more later.  I
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Well, Matt, that's a great example for Netscape.net, but Jeff was asking
about Netscape.com

So I guess to round out the conversation, here's the two entries in
spamdomains that everybody seems to have, to cover Netscape.net:

aol.com netscape.net
netscape.netaol.com

I'm pretty sure that we have Bill Landry to thank for the seminal work on
sd.txt from which everyone has benefitted (hey, credit where credit is due!)

Andrew 8)

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From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Andrew and Jeff,

Unfortunately Netscape.net is actually handled by aol.com when it is 
outgoing (which is what matters in this case).  I sometimes search my 
known good E-mail for outgoing servers, or Google for it by looking for 
header code along with the address and keeping in mind that a lot of 
that stuff is forged especially in newsgroups.  Here are the headers 
from a test of my own account:

Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33] by mx1.mailpure.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.05) id AE31AB9B0140; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:05 -0400
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id j.1b5.a579353 (16239)
 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from  netscape.net (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by
air-in03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILININ33-3f6f40841e2c327; Mon,
19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
X-AOL-IP: 24.195.119.188
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: RFC-NOABUSE: Failed, listed in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org (weight
1).
X-MailPure: RFC-NOPOSTMASTER: Failed, listed in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
(weight 1).
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: Spam Score: 2
X-MailPure: Scan Time: 14:45:12 on 04/19/2004
X-MailPure: Spool File: D1e31ab9b01404b3e.SMD
X-MailPure: Server Name: imo-d01.mx.aol.com
X-MailPure: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: Received From: imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]
X-MailPure: Country Chain: UNITED STATES-destination
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Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

Jeff, the main problem with figuring out spamdomains entries is that you
really have to receive valid mail from the domain to really know.

If they have an SPF record, that's the easiest way to research them, but
you
can also try the website at http://www.SenderBase.org to see what they've
noticed.  They've noticed one more host: dust.netscape.com

The problem with checking the MX record is that it is only for recording
inbound mail to Netscape.com, it doesn't necessarily say anything about
outbound mail from them, which is what you're after.

I suspect that your suggestion will work fine, as I think that they keep
their corporate domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business
as netscape.net ... 

Andrew 8)

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From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Hello,
   I got a message that was from  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from
RoadRunners networks.  There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT
file.  I was just wondering what I would enter to make it so.

   I did a NSLOOKUP on netscape.com and the MX record points to
mail.nescape.everyone.net.  So the entry I would enter would be:

netscape.com   netscape.everyone.net

   Is this correct?  Just want to make sure if there are more later.  I
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Bud Durland
Glenn Brooks wrote:

Will Heloisp run on NT ...I do not see any activity in task manager or 
in the declude logslog level MID


It should run on NT just fine, although I couldn't test it on that 
platform.  No surprise that it's not on the task manager -- it does it's 
thing very quickly an probably doesn't stick around long enough to show up.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread Todd Hunter
I want to hold email that has an attachment with a given file name.  I know 
the exact file name and size.

It seems like a saw some posts about this in the past but searches of my 
archived Declude folder didn't come up with anything.

Thank,

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Matt




Oops, sorry. I'm not sure about netscape.com, but E-mail from that
domain has been quite rare in the past since they don't have hardly any
employees, and even if you had their primary reverse DNS entries, it's
quite possible that they send out as netscape.com from third-parties
just like symantec.com does (which is quite boneheaded for an
AV/Anti-Spam provider). This is what I'm using for netscape.com:

@netscape.com  .aol.

This might be a good example of a domain though that really needs
benefit of two columns, i.e.:

netscape.com   .aol.

I have no idea what they are doing for their new ISP service as far as
E-mail goes, but I would expect for them to channel everything through
aol.com just as they have with netscape.net. I don't see why they
would seek to establish a new network exclusively for this new service.

FYI, I never found a reason for the following entry:

aol.com  netscape.net

Omitting it hasn't caused any problems that I am aware of. I did of
course though use Bill's original list as the starting point for mine
and for the most part it remains intact except that I got anal about
the @ thing :)

Matt




Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

  Well, Matt, that's a great example for Netscape.net, but Jeff was asking
about Netscape.com

So I guess to round out the conversation, here's the two entries in
spamdomains that everybody seems to have, to cover Netscape.net:

aol.com netscape.net
netscape.netaol.com

I'm pretty sure that we have Bill Landry to thank for the seminal work on
sd.txt from which everyone has benefitted (hey, credit where credit is due!)

Andrew 8)

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Andrew and Jeff,

Unfortunately Netscape.net is actually handled by aol.com when it is 
outgoing (which is what matters in this case).  I sometimes search my 
known good E-mail for outgoing servers, or Google for it by looking for 
header code along with the address and keeping in mind that a lot of 
that stuff is forged especially in newsgroups.  Here are the headers 
from a test of my own account:

Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33] by mx1.mailpure.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.05) id AE31AB9B0140; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:05 -0400
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id j.1b5.a579353 (16239)
	 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from  netscape.net (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by
air-in03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILININ33-3f6f40841e2c327; Mon,
19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
X-AOL-IP: 24.195.119.188
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: RFC-NOABUSE: Failed, listed in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org (weight
1).
X-MailPure: RFC-NOPOSTMASTER: Failed, listed in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
(weight 1).
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: Spam Score: 2
X-MailPure: Scan Time: 14:45:12 on 04/19/2004
X-MailPure: Spool File: D1e31ab9b01404b3e.SMD
X-MailPure: Server Name: imo-d01.mx.aol.com
X-MailPure: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: Received From: imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]
X-MailPure: Country Chain: UNITED STATES-destination
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Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

  
  
Jeff, the main problem with figuring out spamdomains entries is that you
really have to receive valid mail from the domain to really know.

If they have an SPF record, that's the easiest way to research them, but

  
  you
  
  
can also try the website at http://www.SenderBase.org to see what they've
noticed.  They've noticed one more host: dust.netscape.com

The problem with checking the MX record is that it is only for recording
inbound mail to Netscape.com, it doesn't necessarily say anything about
outbound mail from them, which is what you're after.

I suspect that your suggestion will work fine, as I think that they keep
their corporate domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business
as netscape.net ... 

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Hello,
	I got a message that was "from"  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from
RoadRunners networks.  There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT
file.  I was 

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
For Declude Virus
BANNAME fileattachment.ext

example:
BANNAME deleted0.txt

I know it came up that file names with spaces weren't being blocked properly. I don't 
know if Scott had fixed that yet.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/04 03:27PM 
I want to hold email that has an attachment with a given file name.  I know 
the exact file name and size.

It seems like a saw some posts about this in the past but searches of my 
archived Declude folder didn't come up with anything.

Thank,

Todd Hunter





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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
Just for curiosity's sake, what does fixed in the next release mean?

Fixed in the next alpha interim release or fixed in the next beta release?
It's tough to know since unless there is big news, we don't know what changes there 
are in the interim releases.

I'm not pushing the fix, I've done a work around.


Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/04 09:18AM 

My favorite new filter has been the NOTENDSWITH...

But I've found a problem.

COUNTRY 5   NOTENDSWITH US

Using the above line, every country including the US gets five points.

It seems that there is an issue with the code where NOTENDSWITH will not 
work properly if the length of the data you are looking at (COUNTRY, which 
might be FR if the E-mail was sent from France) is the same as what you 
are comparing it to (US).  This will be fixed in the next release.

In the meantime, you could:

COUNTRY -5  ENDSWITHUS

and then adding 5 points some other way (in the test definition, perhaps, 
or a line such as COUNTRY 5 ISBLANK).  That way, 0 points will be added 
for E-mail from the United States, but 5 points will be added for E-mail 
not from the United States.

May I also suggest a NOIS filter test?

That does sound like a good idea -- it has been added to the suggestion 
database.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem

2004-04-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

Just for curiosity's sake, what does fixed in the next release mean?
If something is referred to as fixed, that means that we have changed the 
code to fix it, and any future interim/beta/release will have the change in it.

Fixed in the next alpha interim release or fixed in the next beta release?
We only have one code tree, which means that once a change is made, it's 
made.  So if a change is made on April 19, then any interim, beta, or after 
April 19 will include the change.

Once things have settled down a bit, we'll go back to the normal interim 
release schedule.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



astonishmentWhat, Matt, you get anal about your 
work!?/astonishment

Don't worry, I 
won't make you the butt of any jokes.

Andrew 
8)

  
  -Original Message-From: Matt 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:47 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.comOops, 
  sorry. I'm not sure about netscape.com, but E-mail from that domain has 
  been quite rare in the past since they don't have hardly any employees, and 
  even if you had their primary reverse DNS entries, it's quite possible that 
  they send out as netscape.com from third-parties just like symantec.com does 
  (which is quite boneheaded for an AV/Anti-Spam provider). This is what 
  I'm using for netscape.com:@netscape.com 
   .aol.This might be a good example of a domain though that 
  really needs benefit of two columns, i.e.:netscape.com 
.aol.I have no idea what they are doing for 
  their new ISP service as far as E-mail goes, but I would expect for them to 
  channel everything through aol.com just as they have with netscape.net. 
  I don't see why they would seek to establish a new network exclusively for 
  this new service.FYI, I never found a reason for the following 
  entry:aol.com  netscape.netOmitting it 
  hasn't caused any problems that I am aware of. I did of course though 
  use Bill's original list as the starting point for mine and for the most part 
  it remains intact except that I got anal about the @ thing 
  :)MattColbeck, Andrew wrote:
  Well, Matt, that's a great example for Netscape.net, but Jeff was asking
about Netscape.com

So I guess to round out the conversation, here's the two entries in
spamdomains that everybody seems to have, to cover Netscape.net:

aol.com netscape.net
netscape.netaol.com

I'm pretty sure that we have Bill Landry to thank for the seminal work on
sd.txt from which everyone has benefitted (hey, credit where credit is due!)

Andrew 8)

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From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com


Andrew and Jeff,

Unfortunately Netscape.net is actually handled by aol.com when it is 
outgoing (which is what matters in this case).  I sometimes search my 
known good E-mail for outgoing servers, or Google for it by looking for 
header code along with the address and keeping in mind that a lot of 
that stuff is forged especially in newsgroups.  Here are the headers 
from a test of my own account:

Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33] by mx1.mailpure.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.05) id AE31AB9B0140; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:05 -0400
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id j.1b5.a579353 (16239)
	 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from  netscape.net (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by
air-in03.mx.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILININ33-3f6f40841e2c327; Mon,
19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:45:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
X-AOL-IP: 24.195.119.188
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: RFC-NOABUSE: Failed, listed in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org (weight
1).
X-MailPure: RFC-NOPOSTMASTER: Failed, listed in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
(weight 1).
X-MailPure: 
X-MailPure: Spam Score: 2
X-MailPure: Scan Time: 14:45:12 on 04/19/2004
X-MailPure: Spool File: D1e31ab9b01404b3e.SMD
X-MailPure: Server Name: imo-d01.mx.aol.com
X-MailPure: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: Received From: imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]
X-MailPure: Country Chain: UNITED STATES-destination
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Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

  
Jeff, the main problem with figuring out spamdomains entries is that you
really have to receive valid mail from the domain to really know.

If they have an SPF record, that's the easiest way to research them, but
you
  
can also try the website at http://www.SenderBase.org to see what they've
noticed.  They've noticed one more host: dust.netscape.com

The problem with checking the MX record is that it is only for recording
inbound mail to Netscape.com, it doesn't necessarily say anything about
outbound mail from them, which is what you're after.

I suspect that your suggestion will work fine, as I think that they keep
their corporate domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business
as netscape.net ... 

Andrew 8)


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread David Dresler
Below is an example of headers taken from a false positive using this new
test.  For the most part, its a great new test and is working well.
However, i've noticed that Entourage seems to be getting caught.  This is
the second customer of mine that i've noticed getting caught by this and
both are using Entourage.  Is anyone else seeing this?

Thanks for any ideas

Received: from [10.0.0.11] [208.37.231.210] by ilfmedia.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A0A0C7F0140; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:12:00 -0700
User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:16:46 -0700
Subject: Phone message
From: Rick Delker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Richard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
X-RBL-Warning: INTRUDERS: This E-mail came from 208.37.231.210, a potential
spam source listed in INTRUDERS. [2-14-7000]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [208.37.231.210]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D40a00c7f0140a17c.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: INTRUDERS, HELOISIP [4]
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from w210.z208037231.nyc-ny.dsl.cnc.net
([208.37.231.210]).
X-Note:  Total Weight for this email is [4]

David Dresler
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Network Administrations
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread Todd Hunter
Scott,

I have DJM Pro, not the AV.  I want to block emails with specific 
attachments in DJM.

Thanks,

Todd





At 04:06 PM 4/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
For Declude Virus
BANNAME fileattachment.ext
example:
BANNAME deleted0.txt
I know it came up that file names with spaces weren't being blocked 
properly. I don't know if Scott had fixed that yet.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/04 03:27PM 
I want to hold email that has an attachment with a given file name.  I know
the exact file name and size.
It seems like a saw some posts about this in the past but searches of my
archived Declude folder didn't come up with anything.
Thank,

Todd Hunter





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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have DJM Pro, not the AV.  I want to block emails with specific 
attachments in DJM.
Unfortunately, Declude Virus is necessary to properly block attachments 
(since attachment names/extensions can indicate security risks, whereas 
they are not yet indicative of spam).

You could try writing a filter to do this, but it could have false positives.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread Darin Cox
Matt has a file size filter that he has generously contributed to the
community...you should be able to find it easily in the archives.

For filename, use BANEXT in Declude Virus.  I don't believe there is a
combined test, but you could structure your weighting as a binary system
(result of 1 for one test, 2 for another, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc) in order to get
the AND and OR operators for combination tests.  Regardless, you're still
talking about tests in multiple products, Virus vs. Junkmail.

Is the filename specific enough that filename alone will do the job for you?

Darin.


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name


I want to hold email that has an attachment with a given file name.  I know
the exact file name and size.

It seems like a saw some posts about this in the past but searches of my
archived Declude folder didn't come up with anything.

Thank,

Todd Hunter





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[Declude.JunkMail] Spamc32 installation

2004-04-19 Thread Markus Gufler
After installing the latest release of cygwin (1.5.9-1) I can open the
command prompt but I cant start cpan

I've tried:

bash-2.05b$ ls egrep
egrep   

Ok, egrep is in the current directory

bash-2.05b$ egrep
Usage: egrep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]...
Try `egrep --help' for more information.

Ok, executing this file is working fine.

bash-2.05b$ ls cpan
cpan

So as I can understand cpan is in the current directory in the same manner
as egrep.

bash-2.05b$ cpan
bash: cpan: command not found



Markus





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem

2004-04-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
My humble opinion on terminology, Scott, is that:

fixed in the next build

would better reflect what you meant.  Otherwise us folks out here in the
list start to wonder whether you mean release or Release.

Just another tip for the Declude communications style book.

Andrew 8)

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] NOTENDSWITH problem



Just for curiosity's sake, what does fixed in the next release mean?

If something is referred to as fixed, that means that we have changed the 
code to fix it, and any future interim/beta/release will have the change in
it.

Fixed in the next alpha interim release or fixed in the next beta release?

We only have one code tree, which means that once a change is made, it's 
made.  So if a change is made on April 19, then any interim, beta, or after 
April 19 will include the change.

Once things have settled down a bit, we'll go back to the normal interim 
release schedule.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Feature request possibility

2004-04-19 Thread Scott Fisher
How about an option where Declude Junkmail would de-space and de-punctuate the subject 
and then we could apply a filter on the results.

In theory, the subject line would be parsed removing all characters other than a-z, 
A-Z and 0-9 and foreign alphabetical characters.

We could then apply a filter on that.
CLEANSUBJECT 10 CONTAINS VIAGARA

which would stop the V  I.AG A,RA variants.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-19 Thread Matt
David (and Bud),

An exception could probably be made for proper usage of the IP being 
used as the HELO (when enclosed in brackets).  Also, a while back in an 
effort to reduce the processing power required for my @LINKED and 
IPLINKED filters, I removed all of the IP space that was reserved which 
amounted to about half of the Class A's.  Both of these things might be 
good exclusions since the real-world use of this by zombie spammers 
won't be impacted by either change.

Matt



David Dresler wrote:

Below is an example of headers taken from a false positive using this new
test.  For the most part, its a great new test and is working well.
However, i've noticed that Entourage seems to be getting caught.  This is
the second customer of mine that i've noticed getting caught by this and
both are using Entourage.  Is anyone else seeing this?
Thanks for any ideas

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User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:16:46 -0700
Subject: Phone message
From: Rick Delker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Richard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
X-RBL-Warning: INTRUDERS: This E-mail came from 208.37.231.210, a potential
spam source listed in INTRUDERS. [2-14-7000]
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamc32 installation

2004-04-19 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - 
From: Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 bash-2.05b$ cpan
 bash: cpan: command not found

 

Markus, I haven't used Spamc32, but when I want to connect to CPAN from my
Linux servers this is the command syntax I use:

perl -MCPAN -e shell

HTH,

Bill

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Scripting batch files

2004-04-19 Thread Adrian Hauri
Try blat as a win32 command line mailer. It supports attachements and runs
very stable:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/blat



Adrian

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From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Scripting batch files


Hello everyone.

I have created a batch file that runs Bill's log analyzer that was made
available last week.  What I would like to do is have the DOS batch file
e-mail this each night at midnight using the previous days declude log
file.  I do not know much about date scripting in DOS batch files so any
help would be appreciated.  Here is the batch I have (very basic):


wamlog c:\imail\spool\dec0418.log  Stats.txt
imail1 -s Daily Spam Stats -t [EMAIL PROTECTED] -u Spam -h domain.com -f
Stats.txt



Thanks,


Jason

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[Declude.JunkMail] Strange loop, actions skipped

2004-04-19 Thread Matt




Scott,

I'm very confused by what's happening with the following message apart
from it looping 5 times and getting killed. The original scored 36
points, which on my system would get it to ROUTETO a sub-mailbox on my
own domain and the subject should have shown the weight in square
brackets, an additional line should have been added showing the
%RECIPIENTS%, and a slew of WARN actions to mark the headers, however
none of those actions were taken and it appears like my server
attempted delivery of this message to an address that didn't exist,
then it loops. My primary concern is why the proper actions aren't
being taken, the secondary concern is how to stop the looping which
probably has something to do with it sending notifications to itself
since I host the MX, though the HOSTS file settings are supposed to
override this (if IMail works properly). I've been seeing this a
couple times a week if I recall correctly, and there were no reboots
around the time of this message.

Thanks,

Matt

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MED-RECIPS  WARN X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS: %ALLRECIPS%
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DROP-RECIPS  WARN X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS: %ALLRECIPS%
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04/18/2004 19:50:21 Q1438058c015c53d7 RFC-BOGUSMX:1 RFC-DSN:1
RFC-NOPOSTMASTER:1 SORBS-BADCONF:3 DSBL(DYNA):5 DSBL(ALL):2
SPAMCOP(DYNA):4 SPAMCOP(ALL):2 XBL(DYNA):6 XBL(ALL):2 BADFROM:6
CMDSPACE:3 . Total weight = 36.
04/18/2004 19:50:21 Q1438058c015c53d7 R1 Message OK
04/18/2004 19:50:21 Q1438058c015c53d7 Subject:
=?ISO-8859-1?b?UmU6Q2hlYXAgUHJpY2VzIEZvciBWL2lhZ3Jh?=
04/18/2004 19:50:21 Q1438058c015c53d7 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 24.210.79.228 ID: 
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RFC-NOPOSTMASTER=IGNORE SORBS-BADCONF=IGNORE LNSG-DUL=IGNORE
NJABL-DYNA=IGNORE SORBS-DUL=IGNORE DSBL(DYNA)=IGNORE DSBL(ALL)=IGNORE
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DROP-DELIVER=IGNORE DROP-SUBJECT=IGNORE DROP-RECIPS=IGNORE 
04/18/2004 19:50:21 Q1438058c015c53d7 Last action = "">


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking on attachment name

2004-04-19 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Scott,

If you have both JunkMail and Virus are you able to block/delete an
incoming mail message if the attachment had a virus? Actually do you
need JunkMail at all in this condition?


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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[Declude.JunkMail] Per-Domain Config

2004-04-19 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Scott,

I am starting to see a maintenance issue with the way I am doing things.
I want to have per-domain config files primarily so that I can white and
black list separately.

Now when I setup a new test I have to go in through each domain's
$default$.junkmail file and add the test with the action. Is it possible
to have the per-domain file's simply add tests that the GLOBAL.CFG file
does not specify in the incoming or outgoing section? In this way I
would put all the tests in the two GLOBAL.CFG sections and then I would
add to the per-domain files something like

WHITELISTFILE   d:\imail\declude\lanshop.com\whitelist.txt
BL-LANSHOP  DELETE 

Not sure if this has been asked before or if I am just doing things the
hard way.

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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