RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
No messages here since Friday? Just checking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? The odd this is, I made several posts today, as well as sent numerous e-mails. SOME were delivered right away, others, like this one, just seemed to vanish. Until 3:41 in this case Hmmm... I'd start by checking the IMail SMTP log file, to see if there are any clues in there. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
i'm sold where do I signup to be a spammer LOL! kidding of course... does everyone remember that line in the movie gone in 60 seconds where the girls says i discovered you have to work twice as hard when it's honest, who's she kidding it's more like 3 times LOL! I think your 3 times is a little off. Seems like it is more like 10 times. :)) John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
LOL! I like that, Tonight, on COPS! watch the downfall of a SPAM ring. ding-dong - hello! DELL here with your new PC. spammer: dude! we're gettin a DELL! COPS - FREEZE DIRTBAG! Paul Well, if police can bust con artists and prostitutes, why can't they drag away spammers? Thirty days in jail would undoubtedly send a message. Computer crimes get taken less seriously than their real world counterparts, despite publicity about financial losses caused by this kind of thing. It seems like law enforcement doesn't want to slap the cuffs on someone unless they actually see them stealing a little old lady's purse. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
You forgot the arbitrary Dude - we're so busted -Original Message- From: paul [mailto:paul;2khiway.net] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? LOL! I like that, Tonight, on COPS! watch the downfall of a SPAM ring. ding-dong - hello! DELL here with your new PC. spammer: dude! we're gettin a DELL! COPS - FREEZE DIRTBAG! --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
yeowch, I sent this mail at 8:57, and see it in the inbox at 4:07. what a turnaround.. LOL! Paul - Original Message - From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
Laugh if you want, but this is the same basic scene I have imagined while laboring over the mail server. However, in my version the cops are like Detective Sipowitz, and the spammers make the mistake of resisting arrest. Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Sean Fahey Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:59 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? You forgot the arbitrary Dude - we're so busted -Original Message- From: paul [mailto:paul;2khiway.net] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? LOL! I like that, Tonight, on COPS! watch the downfall of a SPAM ring. ding-dong - hello! DELL here with your new PC. spammer: dude! we're gettin a DELL! COPS - FREEZE DIRTBAG! --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
yeowch, I sent this mail at 8:57, and see it in the inbox at 4:07. what a turnaround.. LOL! If you show the headers, we can tell you where the delay was. G -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
If you show the headers, we can tell you where the delay was. G I don't NEED the headers to know where the delay was. now, WHY it was delayed, can you tell me THAT??? G Received: from declude.com [66.189.58.123] by mail.2khiway.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD6F37700DE; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:47:43 -0500 Received: from mail.2khiway.net [63.160.179.20] by declude.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id ABF15176037C; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:41:21 -0500 Received: from NS1 [63.160.179.12] by mail.2khiway.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id ADEB2400E4; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:11 -0500 The odd this is, I made several posts today, as well as sent numerous e-mails. SOME were delivered right away, others, like this one, just seemed to vanish. Until 3:41 in this case Paul --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
The odd this is, I made several posts today, as well as sent numerous e-mails. SOME were delivered right away, others, like this one, just seemed to vanish. Until 3:41 in this case Hmmm... I'd start by checking the IMail SMTP log file, to see if there are any clues in there. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
I've been clearing some mail accounts that customers have abandoned, haven't checked their mail for a couple months or longer. It's not unusual to find 4000messages or more, 20 MB or more, ALL of it spam. No one on a dial-up connection is going to wait for all that mail to download, and nobody using WebMail has the patience to wade through all that debris. My point being that spammerscan easilyoverload a mail server, sap up all the drive space if some kind of spam control isn't in place. What would be the point? They're cutting their own throats, so to speak. Glenn Z.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? - YES
Back when the mailbox size limit wasn't working in IMail, some mailboxes got up to 70 MB. I cleared a dormant one and 3 weeks later it was up to 30 MB. In some cases, spammers consider a response rate of 0.001% as great. Even the marketeers are beginning to admin that people are so overloaded with spam that the E-mail as a marketing medium is nearly useless. People are abandoning mailboxes just to avoid the junkmail. I've been clearing some mail accounts that customers have abandoned, haven't checked their mail for a couple months or longer. It's not unusual to find 4000 messages or more, 20 MB or more, ALL of it spam. No one on a dial-up connection is going to wait for all that mail to download, and nobody using WebMail has the patience to wade through all that debris. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
We just reclaimed an old domain name. We had it for a couple of years, then it expired and some bandits in the Philippines grabbed it and held it hostage, and when it expired again we grabbed it back. The day, and I mean the very day, that I put that domain in as an alias for our primary domain, I started receiving a flood of crap for employees that left more than five years ago. I was astounded. Talk about firing blanks. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNetSent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 3:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? I've been clearing some mail accounts that customers have abandoned, haven't checked their mail for a couple months or longer. It's not unusual to find 4000messages or more, 20 MB or more, ALL of it spam. No one on a dial-up connection is going to wait for all that mail to download, and nobody using WebMail has the patience to wade through all that debris. My point being that spammerscan easilyoverload a mail server, sap up all the drive space if some kind of spam control isn't in place. What would be the point? They're cutting their own throats, so to speak. Glenn Z.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
One word: MONEY. For every 1000 or so mailboxes they tar up, one poor unsuspecting sap sends them money for whatever they're peddling. If you could, essentially for free, blast out 100,000,000 emails knowing that 0.1% of them would send you $10 bucks - do the math... I think that's $100k - not too shaby of an investment for some cheap software, a cable modem subscription, and maybe a $300 "everyone in the US's email" cd. Until we can attack the root of the problem - the fact that it is VERY lucrative to SPAM, it will not go away (and as ISP's we will continue to pay to give these guys a network to make money on). Legislation isn't going to getvery far - "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns".I fear that this is going to continue to be a technical battlefield, and is only going to get worsebefore it gets better. Thank god we have guys like Len and Scott on our side to help fight the good fight. ;-) - Tony -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNetSent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? I've been clearing some mail accounts that customers have abandoned, haven't checked their mail for a couple months or longer. It's not unusual to find 4000messages or more, 20 MB or more, ALL of it spam. No one on a dial-up connection is going to wait for all that mail to download, and nobody using WebMail has the patience to wade through all that debris. My point being that spammerscan easilyoverload a mail server, sap up all the drive space if some kind of spam control isn't in place. What would be the point? They're cutting their own throats, so to speak. Glenn Z.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
I saw a recent television news magazine piece about spam, where a businessperson described it as the crack cocaine of marketing; certain desperate/foolish people know it's bad, but they just can't resist the temptation. Also, at the risk of provoking a controversy, it would be nice to see some legislation and law enforcement regarding spammers. Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
I saw a recent television news magazine piece about spam, where a businessperson described it as the crack cocaine of marketing; certain desperate/foolish people know it's bad, but they just can't resist the temptation. That's my line of thought on the issue. The idea of sending 10,000,000 E-mails for $500 or so, getting a .1% response rate for a $5 product bringing in $50K is very appealing to that $5/hour McDonalds worker (you know, the one that lost $5 photocopying all those chain letters a few years ago -- of course he didn't lost the whole $9, since he never sent $1 to the 4 people on the list). If spammers really were making money, we would know about it. Some of them would brag about it. But the only people I ever hear bragging are the ones that *send* the spam. My guess is that most spammers make no money (or just enough so that they can make some spare change when they can't work overtime at McDonalds). But the suckers are told that they'll make $50K (If you don't believe me, look at your inbox -- do you think there would be all those spams there if they weren't making money), and just believe it must be true. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
And of course, a fair bit of the spam at times seems to be selling spamming services or spamming software itself. :) At 04:41 PM 11/14/2002, R. Scott Perry wrote: I saw a recent television news magazine piece about spam, where a businessperson described it as the crack cocaine of marketing; certain desperate/foolish people know it's bad, but they just can't resist the temptation. That's my line of thought on the issue. The idea of sending 10,000,000 E-mails for $500 or so, getting a .1% response rate for a $5 product bringing in $50K is very appealing to that $5/hour McDonalds worker (you know, the one that lost $5 photocopying all those chain letters a few years ago -- of course he didn't lost the whole $9, since he never sent $1 to the 4 people on the list). If spammers really were making money, we would know about it. Some of them would brag about it. But the only people I ever hear bragging are the ones that *send* the spam. My guess is that most spammers make no money (or just enough so that they can make some spare change when they can't work overtime at McDonalds). But the suckers are told that they'll make $50K (If you don't believe me, look at your inbox -- do you think there would be all those spams there if they weren't making money), and just believe it must be true. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ___ Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 9184011 http://www.nerosoft.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
My guess is that most spammers make no money (or just enough so that they can make some spare change when they can't work overtime at McDonalds). But the suckers are told that they'll make $50K (If you don't believe me, look at your inbox -- do you think there would be all those spams there if they weren't making money), and just believe it must be true. -Scott While neither of us have much proof either way, I would have to disagree. If it was all just a smokescreen and if a fair percentage of spammers didn't make at least SOME money, I think the volume of it would be going down instead of up like it is. Spam, Negative election campaign ads, junk faxes, etc.: We can bitch about them all, the marketing industry can talk bad about them (but behind closed doors a bunch are sniffing the 'cocaine of the marketing industry'), but there is a reason they are still in wide use - even though we don't like them they are pretty effective. Not every spammer is a millionaire, but many of them have made enough preying on uninformed consumers to make it worth the newbie's while to try it. Your results may vary ;-) Public awareness has probably made it a lot less lucrative than it was at it's birth, but I would venture to guess that at least a good percentage of spammers are bringing down some decent cash (cash that WE paid the postage on...) - Tony --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by http://www.intouchmi.com] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
Well, if you haven't seen it here is an article about a spammer in Florida. http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1037138679220447148,00.html Thanks for posting the link, it eliminated the need for me to find it. The page was too long to post here for it is a long read. Regards, Tom Image`fx --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots??
i'm sold where do I signup to be a spammer LOL! kidding of course... does everyone remember that line in the movie gone in 60 seconds where the girls says i discovered you have to work twice as hard when it's honest, who's she kidding it's more like 3 times LOL! Sheldon - Original Message - From: Jeff Kratka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? Well, if you haven't seen it here is an article about a spammer in Florida. http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1037138679220447148,00.html Jeff ** TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 583 N. Main St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Are spammers idiots?? I've been clearing some mail accounts that customers have abandoned, haven't checked their mail for a couple months or longer. It's not unusual to find 4000 messages or more, 20 MB or more, ALL of it spam. No one on a dial-up connection is going to wait for all that mail to download, and nobody using WebMail has the patience to wade through all that debris. My point being that spammers can easily overload a mail server, sap up all the drive space if some kind of spam control isn't in place. What would be the point? They're cutting their own throats, so to speak. Glenn Z. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by our Stealth Virus Detector] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
