[Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather create filters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02 Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote: MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally MR set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to MR bounce. MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set MR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to MR them? Any advice would be appreciated. MR Cheers, MR --Matt-- MR --- MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] MR --- MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and MR type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail MR [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web MR site at http://www.declude.com . MR --- MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Best regards, Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com Phone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066 eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Yah, I got that part. I created an acct called ''spammaster'' and am sending bounce msgs from it. Using filters is a good idea. Nice and transparent. Anybody have ideas on how to handle the myriad of incoming msgs without a corresponding number of filters? I've never really used them. --Matt-- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 AM To: Matt Robertson Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather create filters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02 Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote: MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I MR originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in MR there, so went to bounce. MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set MR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back MR to them? Any advice would be appreciated. MR Cheers, MR --Matt-- MR --- MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus MR (http://www.declude.com)] MR --- MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type MR unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] MR for assistance. You can visit our web site at MR http://www.declude.com . MR --- MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Best regards, Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com Phone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066 eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
I don't like the idea of bouncing or deleting any messages. I don't want to take that responsibility, and potentially zap a message that a user wants. I've set up a local blacklist (based on the spams I've received that didn't fail any tests), a local whitelist, and I've adjusted the individual pre-defined test weights a little, and am testing a configuration that ATTACHes spam that hits a weight of 10, 14, or 20. I've had a few non-spams get a weight of 10, but 14 and 20 are pretty on-target thus far. If the users want to set up filters to delete messages, that's *their* choice. My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters to make use of the whole thing, if they do want to delete anything or move tagged messages to their own holding folder for later review. Glenn Z. - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Yah, I got that part. I created an acct called ''spammaster'' and amsending bounce msgs from it.Using filters is a good idea. Nice and transparent. Anybody have ideason how to handle the myriad of incoming msgs without a correspondingnumber of filters? I've never really used them.--Matt---Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eje GustafssonSent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 AMTo: Matt RobertsonSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather createfilters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote:MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I MR originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in MR there, so went to bounce.MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like setMR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back MR to them? Any advice would be appreciated.MR Cheers,MR --Matt--MR ---MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus MR (http://www.declude.com)]MR ---MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type MR "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]MR for assistance. You can visit our web site at MR http://www.declude.com .MR ---MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]Best regards,Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]---The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.comPhone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus(http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type"unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] forassistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our website at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters to make use of the whole thing, if they do want to delete anything or move tagged messages to their own holding folder for later review. What is really sad is that there has been a de-facto standard for identifying spam for many years now (the X-RBL-Warning: header), yet I'm not aware of a single mail client that detects it. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
I don't like to delete either. I just the other week move almost fully into a 100% weighted system (used to delete spamcop failed and had a few ones that was set to bounce). If the weight is above 30 I delete, weight above 20 I hold. 10 I just put a header on. The held messages I process with spam review (a great program) those that are abvious junk mail that sends a lot of junk I have filters that deletes the messages basically moves them from Decludes hold folder to a spam review hold folder. Every couple of weeks I purge out messages in the spam review hold folder that are older then 2 weeks. So IF a customer is missing a piece of mail they have 2 weeks to get hold of me. However messages that obviously are not junk but ended up in the hold queue for one or another reason I use spam review to return into the queue to get delivered if I see a large amount of held messages from one person I usually create a rule to automatically return this persons messages back into the queue and for the majority of the time I run spam review in Out of office mode during which time it will process my filters automatically. Messages that don't match my filters will sit there for me when I have time (usually spend a little time in the morning processing last 12-24 hours messages). No complaints from any of our customers so far. Well besides the common complaint that they get a lot of junk mail. Delog show that I block 50-60% of incoming messages and yet they complain :( - Eje Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:59:42 PM, you wrote: GW I don't like the idea of bouncing or deleting any messages. I don't want to take that responsibility, and potentially zap a message that a user wants. I've set up a local blacklist (based on GW the spams I've received that didn't fail any tests), a local whitelist, and I've adjusted the individual pre-defined test weights a little, and am testing a configuration that ATTACHes spam that GW hits a weight of 10, 14, or 20. I've had a few non-spams get a weight of 10, but 14 and 20 are pretty on-target thus far. If the users want to set up filters to delete messages, that's *their* GW choice. GW My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters to make use of the whole thing, if they do want to GW delete anything or move tagged messages to their own holding folder for later review. GW Glenn Z. GW - Original Message - GW From: Matt Robertson GW To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GW Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:48 PM GW Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? GW Yah, I got that part. I created an acct called ''spammaster'' and am GW sending bounce msgs from it. GW Using filters is a good idea. Nice and transparent. Anybody have ideas GW on how to handle the myriad of incoming msgs without a corresponding GW number of filters? I've never really used them. GW --Matt-- GW -Original Message- GW From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson GW Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 AM GW To: Matt Robertson GW Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? GW Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather create GW filters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02 GW Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote: GW MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I GW MR originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in GW MR there, so went to bounce. GW MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with GW MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set GW MR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other GW MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back GW MR to them? Any advice would be appreciated. GW MR Cheers, GW MR --Matt-- GW MR --- GW MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus GW MR (http://www.declude.com)] GW MR --- GW MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To GW MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type GW MR unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] GW MR for assistance. You can visit our web site at GW MR http://www.declude.com . GW MR --- GW MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] GW Best regards, GWEje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GW --- GW The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com GW Phone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066 GW eBay UserID : macahan GW - Your Full Time Professionals - GW --- GW [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] GW --- GW [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus GW (http://www.declude.com)] GW --- GW This E-mail came from
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Glenn Z. wrote My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters Yes, I gave up on that as well. The way I approached it, I asked the user base via a mass email for yea/nay opinions on implementing a spam filter (*everyone* said yes), then later for permission to look at held messages, then once my filters were in order (2 weeks) announced the initiation of DELETE. No complaints, and only three instances since of real mail getting sandbagged (I store my Declude logs forever, set to MID). --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Scott, Maybe I misunderstood your comment but Eudora and Pegasus will filter on an X-Header. Outlook and Outlook Express do not seem to allow for this. At least I have not figured out how to do it. Eudor does not include this as a default but you can add it. At least it works with my version of Eudora and I know someone doing this with Pegasus. Stu What is really sad is that there has been a de-facto standard for identifying spam for many years now (the X-RBL-Warning: header), yet I'm not aware of a single mail client that detects it. -Scott - CSOnline Technical Support hours - Monday thru Saturday 7am - 1am CSOnline Technical Support Numbers Seneca814-677-2447 Clarion 814-227-3638 Meadville 814-425-1696 Parker724-399-1158 http://www.csonline.net http://www.cshowcase.com http://www.learncenter.com - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Maybe I misunderstood your comment but Eudora and Pegasus will filter on an X-Header. True, but you have to give people special instructions for those mail clients (Go to Tools, then select Filters, click New Filter, choose Incoming Messages, Any Header...). What they are lacking is a How do you want to handle spam? ( ) Deliver it, ( ) Delete it, (.) Move to 'spam folder' option, defaulting to Move to 'spam folder'. End users wouldn't have to do a thing, and their spam would be handled automatically for them. Outlook and Outlook Express do not seem to allow for this. At least I have not figured out how to do it. That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have useable filters. :) -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Yes, I don't see any filter selection in OE (6) or Netscape (4.79) for checking headers, but WebMail does. I think that's where the ATTACH action becomesuseful -- the failed Junk-Mail tests are listed in the body of the advisory, so OE users can do body= filters if they want to "delete from server" (or whatever action)based on Weight values. Glenn Z. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Scott,Maybe I misunderstood your comment but Eudora and Pegasus will filter on anX-Header. Outlook and Outlook Express do not seem to allow for this. Atleast I have not figured out how to do it.Eudor does not include this as a default but you can add it. At least itworks with my version of Eudora and I know someone doing this with Pegasus.StuWhat is really sad is that there has been a de-facto standard for identifying spam for many years now (the X-RBL-Warning: header), yet I'm not aware of a single mail client that detects it. -Scott-CSOnline Technical Support hours - Monday thru Saturday 7am - 1am CSOnline Technical Support Numbers Seneca 814-677-2447 Clarion 814-227-3638 Meadville 814-425-1696 Parker 724-399-1158 http://www.csonline.net http://www.cshowcase.com http://www.learncenter.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our website at http://www.declude.com .
RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have useable filters.
That's not entirely true. While Outlook doesn't have built-in filters to
look for X-RBL-Warning:, it can be configured to look in the headers for
this string and be filtered. I created a set of rules which I then exported
so when a user cries for help because of spam, I e-mail him/her the rules
file and then import them and activate them. Of course it does require
something to first put the string in the header--thank you Declude!
I played around with the filters.txt file that Outlook uses for its built-in
Junk and Adult Content e-mail detection and added {Headers contains
X-RBL-Warning:} but it didn't work--it apparently won't look into the
headers which is pretty sad.
Disclaimer: I work for a relatively small organization so it's quite easy
for me to bop around and set this up for people.
-b
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RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have useable filters. That's not entirely true. While Outlook doesn't have built-in filters to look for X-RBL-Warning:, it can be configured to look in the headers for this string and be filtered. By usable filters, I mean being able to filter on headers (which *any* mail client with filters should allow for). It sounds like there are some versions of Outlook and/or Outlook Express that can filter on headers, but there are also many that can not. I don't have a list of which versions do and which do not. However, I have heard from a lot of people (admins) that say that they can't find any way for (some versions of) Outlook and/or Outlook Express to filter on headers. It sounds like Microsoft may not have allowed header filtering in the past, but perhaps more recent versions do. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
As a matter of reference we're using Rules in Outlook Express 6 and Outlook 2000/2, I can't say what the level of support for rules is in Outlook for older verions. David WiSS Limited -Original Message- From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 May 2002 21:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have useable filters. That's not entirely true. While Outlook doesn't have built-in filters to look for X-RBL-Warning:, it can be configured to look in the headers for this string and be filtered. By usable filters, I mean being able to filter on headers (which *any* mail client with filters should allow for). It sounds like there are some versions of Outlook and/or Outlook Express that can filter on headers, but there are also many that can not. I don't have a list of which versions do and which do not. However, I have heard from a lot of people (admins) that say that they can't find any way for (some versions of) Outlook and/or Outlook Express to filter on headers. It sounds like Microsoft may not have allowed header filtering in the past, but perhaps more recent versions do. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Ditto on Outlook 2000. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Lewis-Waller Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 4:06 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? As a matter of reference we're using Rules in Outlook Express 6 and Outlook 2000/2, I can't say what the level of support for rules is in Outlook for older verions. David WiSS Limited -Original Message- From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 May 2002 21:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have useable filters. That's not entirely true. While Outlook doesn't have built-in filters to look for X-RBL-Warning:, it can be configured to look in the headers for this string and be filtered. By usable filters, I mean being able to filter on headers (which *any* mail client with filters should allow for). It sounds like there are some versions of Outlook and/or Outlook Express that can filter on headers, but there are also many that can not. I don't have a list of which versions do and which do not. However, I have heard from a lot of people (admins) that say that they can't find any way for (some versions of) Outlook and/or Outlook Express to filter on headers. It sounds like Microsoft may not have allowed header filtering in the past, but perhaps more recent versions do. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Can I get some details: Your script checks each message in the outbound queue and if the message is a bounce message (sender = ???) and has been attempted 3 times, you delete the message (Q and D files). Also, how do you schedule it? Can I get a copy of this script? Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Chuck, I would be interested in seeing your script, as well. Anyway help in keeping the queue cleaned in an automated fashion works for me. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: Todd Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Can I get some details: Your script checks each message in the outbound queue and if the message is a bounce message (sender = ???) and has been attempted 3 times, you delete the message (Q and D files). Also, how do you schedule it? Can I get a copy of this script? Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
What version of OE provides checking headers?
Mine is 6.00.2600.. The choices I have are:
from
subject
body
to
CC
to or CC
priority
account
size
attachment
secure
for all messages
Glenn Z.
- Original Message -
From:
David
Lewis-Waller
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail]
Bounce strategies?
We use Rules in Outlook and Outlook Express to filter on
X-RBL-Warning inthe header, it works well enough, users seem to find it
pretty easy to setup as well. DavidWiSS
Limited-Original Message-From: R. Scott Perry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 May 2002 20:20To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
Re: DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?Maybe I
misunderstood your comment but Eudora and Pegasus will filter on an
X-Header.True, but you have to give people special instructions for
those mail clients ("Go to Tools, then select Filters, click "New Filter",
choose "Incoming Messages", "Any Header"...).What they are lacking
is a "How do you want to handle spam? ( ) Deliver it, ( ) Delete it,
(.) Move to 'spam folder'" option, defaulting to "Move to 'spam
folder'". End users wouldn't have to do a thing, and their spam
would be handled automatically for them.Outlook and Outlook
Express do not seem to allow for this. At least I have not figured out
how to do it.That's because Outlook and/or Outlook Express don't have
useable
filters.:)
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