Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-03 Thread Maurice Butler
The problem with citrix is $ and configuration issues, it can be a dog to
setup and get going, but rock solid once it is going

Maurice

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 As per my personal email, and for the benefit of others :
 
 Citrix basically lets each user see what appears to be their 
 own computer.  There may be 15 people on a citrix server at 
 any time, but each one is in a separate session.  As far as 
 your application is concerned, it is being run by a single 
 user.  As such, all you need to do is pull out the windows 
 user name, and then filter on that.  
 
 Regards
  
 Sean Cross
 CIO
 Catalyst Risk Management
 
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 [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Charlie
 Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 11:43 a.m.
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 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 By the way does anyone have experience with concurrent remote users
 accessing an application on the company's server. I realize 
 that a Citrix
 server would allow multiple, concurrent connections? I need 
 help with what
 happens after a user logs in. Namely, somehow I will need to 
 take that login
 and use it to run and display a query for that customer's open orders.
 In subsequent programming I need to allow customers to log in 
 and enter
 their own orders.
 If you are able to help me what will your fees be?
 Thanks again,
 Charlie
 
 Charlie Kerscher
 'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
 Williamson GA
 Cell: 770.468.1757
 
 
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 [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:23 PM
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 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and 
 seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).
 
 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is 
 the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of 
 using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am 
 I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower 
 Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie
 
 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 
 
 
 
 Richard Vowles wrote:
  Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL 
 your own app 
  to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
  support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?
 
  2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net
 
 
  What are your feelings about MySql?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Arjan Noordhoek
Why are you talking about rewriting the whole app?
If there is no further need then to expose Order Status to the customer,
just expose that information from the existing database towards the web.
In that case you will have a very well contained problem area an you can
focus on learning to write a web app (intraweb is a good way to go) without
having to cope with all kinds of other new issues you would have rewriting
the whole app.

Cheers,

Arjan Noordhoek.

2009/9/1 Richard Vowles rich...@developers-inc.co.nz

 Yes - this is indeed the case, and it is specifically the license for MySQL
 - you sell a product with MySQL in it, you have to pay for it. Oracle won't
 get you get away without it :-)

 2009/9/1 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz

  Because you need to release your source code under the gpl, or buy a
 commercial license.



 You can use MySql for web apps as they are not “distributed” and thus
 don’t need to be released under the gpl.  I think, IANAL and I avoid the gpl
 like the plague.




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie
Why are you talking about rewriting the whole app? 
If there is no further need then to expose Order Status to the customer,
just expose that information from the existing database towards the web.



I like that. What I don't know (among many things, LOL) is how to go about
doing that! What suggestions do you have?

Thanks so much,

Charlie

 

In that case you will have a very well contained problem area an you can
focus on learning to write a web app (intraweb is a good way to go) without
having to cope with all kinds of other new issues you would have rewriting
the whole app.

Cheers,

Arjan Noordhoek.

2009/9/1 Richard Vowles rich...@developers-inc.co.nz

Yes - this is indeed the case, and it is specifically the license for MySQL
- you sell a product with MySQL in it, you have to pay for it. Oracle won't
get you get away without it :-)

2009/9/1 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz

 

Because you need to release your source code under the gpl, or buy a
commercial license.

 

You can use MySql for web apps as they are not distributed and thus don't
need to be released under the gpl.  I think, IANAL and I avoid the gpl like
the plague.

 


 

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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie
I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
(tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
my database?
Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
Thanks,
Charlie

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Richard Vowles wrote:
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie
By the way does anyone have experience with concurrent remote users
accessing an application on the company's server. I realize that a Citrix
server would allow multiple, concurrent connections? I need help with what
happens after a user logs in. Namely, somehow I will need to take that login
and use it to run and display a query for that customer's open orders.
In subsequent programming I need to allow customers to log in and enter
their own orders.
If you are able to help me what will your fees be?
Thanks again,
Charlie

Charlie Kerscher
'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
Williamson GA
Cell: 770.468.1757


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Behalf Of Charlie
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:23 PM
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web

I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
(tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
my database?
Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
Thanks,
Charlie

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Richard Vowles wrote:
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Alister Christie
There is not much official documentation as yet.  I'm using DBX to 
access the data, so learning about that would be a good start (there are 
plenty of movies and documentation on this).  You can get firebird from 
http://firebirdsql.org and there is lots of documentation there as well 
(not Delphi related however).

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Charlie wrote:
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie

 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 



 Richard Vowles wrote:
   
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Stephen Barker
Charlie,

You can get the currently logged in user from code like this:

function Tdm.NetworkID: string;
var  buffer : string;
 buffSize : DWORD;
 bRet: boolean;
begin
  buffSize:=128;
  SetLength(buffer,buffSize);
  bRet := GetUserName(PChar(buffer), buffSize);
  if bRet then
 Result := strpas(PChar(buffer)) 
  else
 Result := '';
end;

Otherwise you may need them to login to your app separately.

Steve 

 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie [mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 11:43 a.m.
 To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 By the way does anyone have experience with concurrent remote users
 accessing an application on the company's server. I realize 
 that a Citrix
 server would allow multiple, concurrent connections? I need 
 help with what
 happens after a user logs in. Namely, somehow I will need to 
 take that login
 and use it to run and display a query for that customer's open orders.
 In subsequent programming I need to allow customers to log in 
 and enter
 their own orders.
 If you are able to help me what will your fees be?
 Thanks again,
 Charlie
 
 Charlie Kerscher
 'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
 Williamson GA
 Cell: 770.468.1757
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz 
 [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
 Behalf Of Charlie
 Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:23 PM
 To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and 
 seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).
 
 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is 
 the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of 
 using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am 
 I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower 
 Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie
 
 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 
 
 
 
 Richard Vowles wrote:
  Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL 
 your own app 
  to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
  support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?
 
  2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net
 
 
  What are your feelings about MySql?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie

There is not much official documentation as yet.  I'm using DBX to 
access the data, so learning about that would be a good start (there are 
plenty of movies and documentation on this). 

 I'm using DBX 
I'm sorry, I don't think I know what this is. Or it could be I'm so tired
from trying to find solutions to my needs. Would you help me with this as
well?
Thanks Alister
Charlie



You can get firebird from http://firebirdsql.org and there is lots of
documentation there as well 
(not Delphi related however).

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Charlie wrote:
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie

 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 



 Richard Vowles wrote:
   
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie
Thank you Steve, that code certainly doesn't look all that overwhelming to
me; yeah! I believe I know enough to take the result of the function and can
plug into an SQL to display that person's records.
I'll give it a try; but please forgive me in advance if I have to bother you
some more.
Appreciate the help so much,
Charlie
=

You can get the currently logged in user from code like this:

function Tdm.NetworkID: string;
var  buffer : string;
 buffSize : DWORD;
 bRet: boolean;
begin
  buffSize:=128;
  SetLength(buffer,buffSize);
  bRet := GetUserName(PChar(buffer), buffSize);
  if bRet then
 Result := strpas(PChar(buffer)) 
  else
 Result := '';
end;

Otherwise you may need them to login to your app separately.

Steve 

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 From: Charlie [mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 11:43 a.m.
 To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 By the way does anyone have experience with concurrent remote users
 accessing an application on the company's server. I realize 
 that a Citrix
 server would allow multiple, concurrent connections? I need 
 help with what
 happens after a user logs in. Namely, somehow I will need to 
 take that login
 and use it to run and display a query for that customer's open orders.
 In subsequent programming I need to allow customers to log in 
 and enter
 their own orders.
 If you are able to help me what will your fees be?
 Thanks again,
 Charlie
 
 Charlie Kerscher
 'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
 Williamson GA
 Cell: 770.468.1757
 
 
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 From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz 
 [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:23 PM
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 Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web
 
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and 
 seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).
 
 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is 
 the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of 
 using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am 
 I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower 
 Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie
 
 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 
 
 
 
 Richard Vowles wrote:
  Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL 
 your own app 
  to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
  support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?
 
  2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net
 
 
  What are your feelings about MySql?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Sean Cross
As per my personal email, and for the benefit of others :

Citrix basically lets each user see what appears to be their own computer.  
There may be 15 people on a citrix server at any time, but each one is in a 
separate session.  As far as your application is concerned, it is being run by 
a single user.  As such, all you need to do is pull out the windows user name, 
and then filter on that.  

Regards
 
Sean Cross
CIO
Catalyst Risk Management

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By the way does anyone have experience with concurrent remote users
accessing an application on the company's server. I realize that a Citrix
server would allow multiple, concurrent connections? I need help with what
happens after a user logs in. Namely, somehow I will need to take that login
and use it to run and display a query for that customer's open orders.
In subsequent programming I need to allow customers to log in and enter
their own orders.
If you are able to help me what will your fees be?
Thanks again,
Charlie

Charlie Kerscher
'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
Williamson GA
Cell: 770.468.1757


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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web

I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
(tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
my database?
Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
Thanks,
Charlie

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Richard Vowles wrote:
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-09-01 Thread Charlie
 Am I right in thinking that DBX is dbExpress? I've found an
article by Bill Todd on Migrating Borland Database Engine applications to
dbExpress. Will work through it tomorrow as it's after 10:30pm my time.
Thanks again Alister for helping me. I sure do appreciate it.
Charlie 


You can get firebird from http://firebirdsql.org and there is lots of
documentation there as well 
(not Delphi related however).

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
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Charlie wrote:
 I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
 work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
 and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

 Alister, since I don't know anything about Firebird what is the best way
 (tutorial, sample apps, etc) for me to become capable of using Firebird as
 my database?
 Assuming I can get to a point of actually using Firebird, am I going to be
 able to convert my application which uses liberally InfoPower Suite 2007,
 JEDI, AceReporter,  SMImport components/report writer? 
 Thanks,
 Charlie

 Alister Christie
 Computers for People
 Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
 http://www.salespartner.co.nz
 PO Box 13085
 Johnsonville
 Wellington 



 Richard Vowles wrote:
   
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Sean Cross
See below.

Sean

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On 
Behalf Of Charlie
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:51 a.m.
To: delphi@delphi.org.nz
Subject: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web

I have both the BDS2006  RAD 2007 versions of Delphi. I'm currently using the 
BDS2006 version as I could never get the help feature to work with RAD 2007 for 
my windows order entry application. This application uses dBase files. I'm also 
using the following 3rd party components: Infopower 2007, AceReporter, JEDI,  
SMImport. The customer is a small manufacturing company which has a WinXP Pro 
peer-to-peer network, the workstations are mostly WinXP with perhaps 1 or 2 
Vista machines.
I need suggestions/recommendations with the following:

1)I essentially have no database experience except for dBase, Paradox and 
Access. If I eventually want to have this application so that customers could 
enter orders on the web what do you recommend I consider for a database
Not those!
Sql Server Express (free for the db size you are likely to need, use the dbGo 
components that come with Delphi) or Firebird.  I use SQL server for nearly 
everything.


2)My customer would like for his customers to be able to access the 
application to determine the status of their orders. What have you found that 
enables concurrent users to do this?
Not quite sure what you mean here.  Web apps are concurrent by nature.  Desktop 
apps on different computers can both access the db at the same time providing 
you have a suitable database.


3)Has anyone been able to take a Win32 application and make in work as a 
web application? Where do I start? What version of Delphi do I use? What 
database? Was the conversion process very time consuming and costly?
It depends on how well you wrote the original  app :).  If all the data access 
is done on datamodules, then it is much easier than if the data access 
components are on forms.  Either way, you are starting a new application and 
trying to reuse as much as possible rather than converting the original app.


4)I have tried viewing and studying the demos/examples that came with my 
versions of Delphi to learn how to create a web application. I guess I'm dense 
but I'm having a difficult time with these. A few months ago I had the 
opportunity to work some with Visual Studio. I found tons of tutorial videos 
and examples that help tremendously with the learning curve. I haven't found 
that with the Delphi examples that I have. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Look at Intraweb aka VCL for the web.  It is the easiest for what you want to 
do.  You will still need to recreate the ui, but you may be able to keep the 
data modules.  Use the latest version of Delphi that you can.


5)All I am is a guy that always wanted to be a programmer but never really 
had the opportunity to program day in and day out. So I'm always in these huge 
learning curves. I sincerely appreciate any suggestions you can give me.
Thank you so much,
Charlie


Charlie Kerscher
'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
Williamson GA
Cell: 770.468.1757

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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Charlie
Thanks Sean. I guess I need to clarify at least one of my questions.

 

1)I essentially have no database experience except for dBase, Paradox
and Access. If I eventually want to have this application so that customers
could enter orders on the web what do you recommend I consider for a
database

Not those! 

Sql Server Express (free for the db size you are likely to need, use the
dbGo components that come with Delphi) or Firebird.  I use SQL server for
nearly everything.

I have worked some with Sql Server 2005 - I'm pretty sure it is the free
version. Will look at that option again.

What are your feelings about MySql?

2)My customer would like for his customers to be able to access the
application to determine the status of their orders. What have you found
that enables concurrent users to do this?

Not quite sure what you mean here.  Web apps are concurrent by nature.
Desktop apps on different computers can both access the db at the same time
providing you have a suitable database.

Here I mean having customers access the Win32 application by logging into
the company's server upon which (some how) a query would be run to retrieve
and display open orders for that customer that logged in. By concurrent I
mean that multiple external customers would be able to access a view of
their open orders at the same time.

3)Has anyone been able to take a Win32 application and make in work as a
web application? Where do I start? What version of Delphi do I use? What
database? Was the conversion process very time consuming and costly?

It depends on how well you wrote the original  app J.  If all the data
access is done on datamodules, then it is much easier than if the data
access components are on forms.  Either way, you are starting a new
application and trying to reuse as much as possible rather than converting
the original app.

Unfortunately datamodules were not used with the original application so the
data access components are on the forms. While it wouldn't be a hard thing
to change it certainly will be time intensive to move the components to a
data module or reassign a new database to all of those components. Then of
course if I move to ADO components then that'll be challenging I'm sure.
Really don't have any idea how to pursue that conversion; that is to ADO.

4)I have tried viewing and studying the demos/examples that came with my
versions of Delphi to learn how to create a web application. I guess I'm
dense but I'm having a difficult time with these. A few months ago I had the
opportunity to work some with Visual Studio. I found tons of tutorial videos
and examples that help tremendously with the learning curve. I haven't found
that with the Delphi examples that I have. Does anyone have any
recommendations?

Look at Intraweb aka VCL for the web.  It is the easiest for what you want
to do.  You will still need to recreate the ui, but you may be able to keep
the data modules.  Use the latest version of Delphi that you can.

I'll look at the costs of Delphi 2009/2010 as well as any updating of the
Intraweb VCL. If there is some way to keep the underlying logic then
recreating the UI doesn't stress me too much. But then as I said, I a
fledgling Delphi programmer.

5)All I am is a guy that always wanted to be a programmer but never
really had the opportunity to program day in and day out. So I'm always in
these huge learning curves. I sincerely appreciate any suggestions you can
give me.

Thank you so much,

Charlie

 

 

Charlie Kerscher

'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'

Williamson GA

Cell: 770.468.1757

 

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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Richard Vowles
Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app to use
it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird support is in
Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?



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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Alister Christie
You might want to have a look at some of the Delphi videos available
http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Delphi_Videos
I seem to remember there being a couple on Intraweb / VCL for the web.

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Charlie wrote:

 Thanks Sean. I guess I need to clarify at least one of my questions.

 1) I essentially have no database experience except for dBase, Paradox 
 and Access. If I eventually want to have this application so that 
 customers could enter orders on the web what do you recommend I 
 consider for a database

 Not those!

 Sql Server Express (free for the db size you are likely to need, use 
 the dbGo components that come with Delphi) or Firebird. I use SQL 
 server for nearly everything.

 I have worked some with Sql Server 2005 – I’m pretty sure it is the 
 “free” version. Will look at that option again.

 What are your feelings about MySql?

 2) My customer would like for his customers to be able to access the 
 application to determine the status of their orders. What have you 
 found that enables concurrent users to do this?

 Not quite sure what you mean here. Web apps are concurrent by nature. 
 Desktop apps on different computers can both access the db at the same 
 time providing you have a suitable database.

 Here I mean having customers access the Win32 application by logging 
 into the company’s server upon which (some how) a query would be run 
 to retrieve and display open orders for that customer that logged in. 
 By concurrent I mean that multiple external customers would be able to 
 access a view of their open orders at the same time.

 3) Has anyone been able to take a Win32 application and make in work 
 as a web application? Where do I start? What version of Delphi do I 
 use? What database? Was the conversion process very time consuming and 
 costly?

 It depends on how well you wrote the original app J. If all the data 
 access is done on datamodules, then it is much easier than if the data 
 access components are on forms. Either way, you are starting a new 
 application and trying to reuse as much as possible rather than 
 converting the original app.

 Unfortunately datamodules were not used with the original application 
 so the data access components are on the forms. While it wouldn’t be a 
 hard thing to change it certainly will be time intensive to move the 
 components to a data module or reassign a new database to all of those 
 components. Then of course if I move to ADO components then that’ll be 
 challenging I’m sure. Really don’t have any idea how to pursue that 
 conversion; that is to ADO.

 4) I have tried viewing and studying the demos/examples that came with 
 my versions of Delphi to learn how to create a web application. I 
 guess I’m dense but I’m having a difficult time with these. A few 
 months ago I had the opportunity to work some with Visual Studio. I 
 found tons of tutorial videos and examples that help tremendously with 
 the learning curve. I haven’t found that with the Delphi examples that 
 I have. Does anyone have any recommendations?

 Look at Intraweb aka VCL for the web. It is the easiest for what you 
 want to do. You will still need to recreate the ui, but you may be 
 able to keep the data modules. Use the latest version of Delphi that 
 you can.

 I’ll look at the costs of Delphi 2009/2010 as well as any updating of 
 the Intraweb VCL. If there is some way to “keep the underlying logic” 
 then recreating the UI doesn’t stress me too much. But then as I said, 
 I a fledgling Delphi programmer.

 5) All I am is a guy that always wanted to be a programmer but never 
 really had the opportunity to program day in and day out. So I’m 
 always in these huge learning curves. I sincerely appreciate any 
 suggestions you can give me.

 Thank you so much,

 Charlie

 *Charlie Kerscher*

 *'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'*

 *Williamson GA*

 *Cell: 770.468.1757*

 

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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Alister Christie
I've just been re-working an app to use firebird in D2010 and seems to 
work well.  The server is compiled in D2010 and the client in D2007 - 
and I'm not having any unicode conversion problems (that I can tell).

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 



Richard Vowles wrote:
 Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app 
 to use it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird 
 support is in Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

 2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net mailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


 What are your feelings about MySql?




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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Sean Cross
An alterative may be to use citrix.  That is what I do with one of my apps.  
It's a windows app, but we installed it onto a citrix server.  People can then 
log into a website and run the application.  There is no change required for 
the application, but you need to have a citrix server + licenses etc.

We use Metaframe but I think the product is now called XenApp or XenDesktop.  
www.citrix.com

Regards

Sean Cross
CIO
Catalyst Risk Management

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On 
Behalf Of Charlie
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 12:03 p.m.
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007  the web

Thanks Sean. I guess I need to clarify at least one of my questions.


1)I essentially have no database experience except for dBase, Paradox and 
Access. If I eventually want to have this application so that customers could 
enter orders on the web what do you recommend I consider for a database
Not those!
Sql Server Express (free for the db size you are likely to need, use the dbGo 
components that come with Delphi) or Firebird.  I use SQL server for nearly 
everything.
I have worked some with Sql Server 2005 - I'm pretty sure it is the free 
version. Will look at that option again.
What are your feelings about MySql?

2)My customer would like for his customers to be able to access the 
application to determine the status of their orders. What have you found that 
enables concurrent users to do this?
Not quite sure what you mean here.  Web apps are concurrent by nature.  Desktop 
apps on different computers can both access the db at the same time providing 
you have a suitable database.
Here I mean having customers access the Win32 application by logging into the 
company's server upon which (some how) a query would be run to retrieve and 
display open orders for that customer that logged in. By concurrent I mean that 
multiple external customers would be able to access a view of their open orders 
at the same time.

3)Has anyone been able to take a Win32 application and make in work as a 
web application? Where do I start? What version of Delphi do I use? What 
database? Was the conversion process very time consuming and costly?
It depends on how well you wrote the original  app :).  If all the data access 
is done on datamodules, then it is much easier than if the data access 
components are on forms.  Either way, you are starting a new application and 
trying to reuse as much as possible rather than converting the original app.
Unfortunately datamodules were not used with the original application so the 
data access components are on the forms. While it wouldn't be a hard thing to 
change it certainly will be time intensive to move the components to a data 
module or reassign a new database to all of those components. Then of course if 
I move to ADO components then that'll be challenging I'm sure. Really don't 
have any idea how to pursue that conversion; that is to ADO.

4)I have tried viewing and studying the demos/examples that came with my 
versions of Delphi to learn how to create a web application. I guess I'm dense 
but I'm having a difficult time with these. A few months ago I had the 
opportunity to work some with Visual Studio. I found tons of tutorial videos 
and examples that help tremendously with the learning curve. I haven't found 
that with the Delphi examples that I have. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Look at Intraweb aka VCL for the web.  It is the easiest for what you want to 
do.  You will still need to recreate the ui, but you may be able to keep the 
data modules.  Use the latest version of Delphi that you can.
I'll look at the costs of Delphi 2009/2010 as well as any updating of the 
Intraweb VCL. If there is some way to keep the underlying logic then 
recreating the UI doesn't stress me too much. But then as I said, I a fledgling 
Delphi programmer.

5)All I am is a guy that always wanted to be a programmer but never really 
had the opportunity to program day in and day out. So I'm always in these huge 
learning curves. I sincerely appreciate any suggestions you can give me.
Thank you so much,
Charlie


Charlie Kerscher
'A Magisterium Faithful Catholic'
Williamson GA
Cell: 770.468.1757

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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread PDS - John
Why can't you use MySQL for a commercial app?

 

John

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app to use
it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird support is in
Delphi 2010 (not 2007)?

2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.net

 

What are your feelings about MySql?

 



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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Sean Cross
Because you need to release your source code under the gpl, or buy a commercial 
license.

You can use MySql for web apps as they are not distributed and thus don't 
need to be released under the gpl.  I think, IANAL and I avoid the gpl like the 
plague.

Regards

Sean Cross
CIO
Catalyst Risk Management

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Why can't you use MySQL for a commercial app?

John

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On 
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Don't use MySQL for a commercial app. You'll have to GPL your own app to use 
it. Use Postgres or Firebird if you want non-MS. Firebird support is in Delphi 
2010 (not 2007)?
2009/9/1 Charlie kersc...@bellsouth.netmailto:kersc...@bellsouth.net


What are your feelings about MySql?



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Re: [DUG] BDS2006 or Rad 2007 the web

2009-08-31 Thread Richard Vowles
Yes - this is indeed the case, and it is specifically the license for MySQL
- you sell a product with MySQL in it, you have to pay for it. Oracle won't
get you get away without it :-)

2009/9/1 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz

  Because you need to release your source code under the gpl, or buy a
 commercial license.



 You can use MySql for web apps as they are not “distributed” and thus don’t
 need to be released under the gpl.  I think, IANAL and I avoid the gpl like
 the plague.




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