Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

Stuart, I did some alternatives for the template icon and I would like to
know what do you and others think about it.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-template-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Paulo José Amaro 
wrote:

> Hi Samuel. Actually I did try a simple approach on this issue:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v2.png
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Paulo,
>>
>> I like your icons. Others might judge them better since I'm not a
>> designer.
>> But still I have one request: As Andy Latty wrote a few days ago on this
>> list, the "generic" LibreOffice icon doesn't look very nice.
>> Others feel the same about that icon. Maybe you have an idea how to
>> improve that? Someone told me, that icon should look so that you actually
>> *want* to click on it. Obviously currently it doesn't.
>>
>> So if you have any ideas/designs for that, that would be most welcome :)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Samuel
>> 
>> Von: Paulo José Amaro 
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 21:22
>> An: Bastián Díaz
>> Cc: Adolfo Jayme Barrientos; design@global.libreoffice.org
>> Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
>>
>> Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11
>> unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of
>> color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and
>> 96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in
>> Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px).
>>
>> Default color:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png
>> High contrast:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz <
>> diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió:
>> >
>> > A gripe that I always had
>> >> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not
>> >> visually different from the application icons.
>> >>
>> >> Parabéns!
>> >> Adolfo
>> >>
>> >
>> > I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two
>> suggestions.
>> > - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files.
>> > Therefore, it is not so significant.
>> > - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in
>> > the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for
>> mime
>> > type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For
>> > other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the
>> default
>> > theme in LO.
>> >
>> > The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to
>> > open legacy files in LO).
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Bastián Díaz
>> > https://telegram.me/diazbastian
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Samuel. Actually I did try a simple approach on this issue:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v2.png


On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt 
wrote:

> Hi Paulo,
>
> I like your icons. Others might judge them better since I'm not a designer.
> But still I have one request: As Andy Latty wrote a few days ago on this
> list, the "generic" LibreOffice icon doesn't look very nice.
> Others feel the same about that icon. Maybe you have an idea how to
> improve that? Someone told me, that icon should look so that you actually
> *want* to click on it. Obviously currently it doesn't.
>
> So if you have any ideas/designs for that, that would be most welcome :)
>
> Thanks
> Samuel
> 
> Von: Paulo José Amaro 
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 21:22
> An: Bastián Díaz
> Cc: Adolfo Jayme Barrientos; design@global.libreoffice.org
> Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
>
> Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11
> unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of
> color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and
> 96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in
> Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px).
>
> Default color:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png
> High contrast:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió:
> >
> > A gripe that I always had
> >> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not
> >> visually different from the application icons.
> >>
> >> Parabéns!
> >> Adolfo
> >>
> >
> > I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two
> suggestions.
> > - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files.
> > Therefore, it is not so significant.
> > - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in
> > the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for mime
> > type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For
> > other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the
> default
> > theme in LO.
> >
> > The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to
> > open legacy files in LO).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > ---
> > Bastián Díaz
> > https://telegram.me/diazbastian
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11
unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of
color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and
96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in
Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px).

Default color:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png
High contrast:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png

Cheers

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz 
wrote:

>
> El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió:
>
> A gripe that I always had
>> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not
>> visually different from the application icons.
>>
>> Parabéns!
>> Adolfo
>>
>
> I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two suggestions.
> - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files.
> Therefore, it is not so significant.
> - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in
> the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for mime
> type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For
> other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the default
> theme in LO.
>
> The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to
> open legacy files in LO).
>
> Cheers
>
> ---
> Bastián Díaz
> https://telegram.me/diazbastian
>



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)

[Paulo José Amaro]

@Bastián, sorry, I was referring to this part "I think it would be great if
you could present a complete set, it would be easier to try and adopt it in
LibreOffice". Are you suggesting I should do a complete new icon set?

By the way, I didn't know there are multiple icons set being developed
right now. I'm happy to see such engaging in this area. I'm still trying to
follow the issues on the icons development, but I must to confess that so
many time being away made the things a bit slower for me. If you (or
someone else) could point me a particular task I will be glad.

Cheers

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Bastián Díaz 
wrote:

> El 07-11-2015 00:29, Paulo José Amaro escribió:
>
> @Bastián I did these 128px versions as a conceptual proposal to
>> discussion, but I'm available to keep going and redo another icons, or any
>> design talks I'm able to.
>>
>> When you say "complete set", did you talk about redo all the interface
>> icons? Because I like the current ones (
>> http://blog.goranrakic.com/2013/05/try_the_new_flat_icon_set_for_libreoffice.html
>> [1]).
>>
>>
> I meant only that the design team is working to complete the icon themes
> currently available.
>
> I'm thinking about creating all these
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg
>> [2]
>>
>>
> Yes, I understand that part.
>
>
> Read below about the current work on the icons.
>
> 
> * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
>
> + Should svgs be stored in repo and pngs created at build time (Samuel)
> + Fast svg import hack working (Tomaz)
> + I hacked something similar in the past (Kendy)
> + icons rendered from svg's on LibreOffice startup
> + but had bad results :-(
> + LibreOffice not rendering in good enough quality...
> + but hopefully Tomaž has better experience / approach (Kendy)
>
> + Icons not appearing in help viewer's web view
>   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82149
> + but fixed now - thanks Stephan! :-)
>
> + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
> + Status -
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
> + Integrating it into the options dialog -
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014
> + add a "extra large" entry
> + is this for hi-dpi? (Kendy)
> + no, it is for large screens, but not related to hi-dpi (Jay)
>
> + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay)
> + Samuel will look at one of them
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866
> + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango +
> galaxy links.txt, and
>   put to images_tango.zip
> + one shared links.txt is probably not possible (Jay/Samuel)
> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91565
>   tango -
> https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115945
>   galaxy -
> https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119516
>
> + Sifr & breeze for dark themes
> + bug report created (Jay)
>   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94632
> + Tomaž pushed the algorithm to create them to master (Tomaž)
> + screenshot -
> https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119614
>
> + Elementary icon theme added to git by Bjoern (Jay)
> + but not enabled by default
> + images_human.zip to be placed in
> /opt/libreofficedev5.1/share/config/
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlTjBkSlJOY01RV3M/view?usp=sharing
> + Human theme in Ubuntu outdated (Jay)
>
> + Asking Gnome team for help with Tango (Jay)
>   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757162
> + reached out to the Gnome people (Jay)
> + the recent Tango is a mixture of Gnome 2 Tango and Gnome 3
> Adwaita (Jay)
> + hoping in some interest there - like there was with Breeze
> (Jay)
>
> + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
> + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
> + First batch of 32px icons added (Jay)
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19616/
>
> + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
> + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZ

Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)

[Paulo José Amaro]

@Bastián I did these 128px versions as a conceptual proposal to discussion,
but I'm available to keep going and redo another icons, or any design talks
I'm able to.

When you say "complete set", did you talk about redo all the interface
icons? Because I like the current ones (
http://blog.goranrakic.com/2013/05/try_the_new_flat_icon_set_for_libreoffice.html).


I'm thinking about creating all these
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bastián Díaz 
wrote:

>
> El 06-11-2015 22:48, Paulo José Amaro escribió:
>
> Thank you Bastián. Please reload the image_, _I just added the Math icon.
>>
>>
> @Paulo
>
> Thank you for your work.
>
> I have a question. Is this a conceptual proposal or are working on the
> complete replacement (16x16, 24x24, 32x32, etc.)?
>
> I have seen the workflow of design mailing list, and the team is busy
> improving usability aspect and graphics (especially completing the set of
> tango icons, breeze, etc.) among other things.
>
> I think it would be great if you could present a complete set, it would be
> easier to try and adopt it in LibreOffice, from my point of view is what
> was missing to complete the renewal of the release of version 5.
>
> Cheers
>
> ---
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> https://telegram.me/diazbastian
>



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)

[Paulo José Amaro]

Thank you Bastián. Please reload the image*, *I just added the Math icon.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Bastián Díaz 
wrote:

> Wow.
>
> I hope this redesign is accepted by the design team for the 5.1 release.
> Is awesome.
>
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>
> El 06-11-2015 21:16, Paulo José Amaro escribió:
>
> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just
>> adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph
>> Noack.
>> More in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose [1]
>>
>> Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I
>> had
>> a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for
>> these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old
>> ones
>> in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the
>> overall style.
>>
>> Above row are application icons, and below the template icons. Against a
>> dark and a light background:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png
>> [2]
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png
>> [3]
>>
>> Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just
>> wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the
>> design team if you want me to. ^_^
>>
>> Best Regards!
>> --
>> Paulo José O. Amaro
>>
>
>
> Links:
> --
> [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose
> [2]
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png
> [3]
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png
>



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[libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi everyone,

Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just
adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack.
More in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose

Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I had
a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for
these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old ones
in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the
overall style.

Above row are application icons, and below the template icons. Against a
dark and a light background:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png

Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just
wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the
design team if you want me to. ^_^

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Michel, I forgot about it, thank you for reply. Above row are
application icons, and below the template icons.

Against a dark and a light background:




On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Michel RENON 
wrote:

> Hi Paulo,
>
> Le 06/11/2015 11:06, Paulo José Amaro a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just
>> adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph
>> Noack.
>>
>> Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I
>> had
>> a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for
>> these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old
>> ones
>> in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the
>> overall style.
>>
>> Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just
>> wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the
>> design team if you want me to. ^_^
>>
>> Best Regards!
>>
>>
> the mailing list doesn't accept attachments.
> Can you upload your icons in the wiki ?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

I forgot to mention: Above are the application icons. Below are the
template icons. The icons are the same in the two imagens.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Paulo José Amaro  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just
> adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack.
>
> Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I
> had a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version
> for these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old
> ones in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and
> the overall style.
>
> Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just
> wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the
> design team if you want me to. ^_^
>
> Best Regards!
>
> --
> Paulo José O. Amaro
>



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[libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi everyone,

Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just
adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack.

Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I had
a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for
these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old ones
in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the
overall style.

Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just
wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the
design team if you want me to. ^_^

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[libreoffice-design] Sorry

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi everybody,

First all, I'm sorry for have being away from here the last month. This was
a very busy time for me in my university. I'm sure this list can keep going
totally well without my contribution, but maybe some emails can stay waiting
my response and I'm sad about to have to say that I'm not replying them.
But now my situation is a little more complicated. My computer (laptop) is
definitely broken by superheating and then I'm unable to access internet and
any computer from home, but just here in the university. So until I can
solve this issue, I'm absenting myself from these discussions. :_{

Thank to all for understanding my position. By the way, I'm very proud to
see our icons featured on the Ubuntu official page! Did you see that?
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/office-applications. Congratulations,
guys!

~Paulo

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Icons

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi,

Sorry for replying too late. I'm without internet access in home again, but
at university, in the weekends, Im can use a little. :-)
Shorting the discussion, we need higher versions to Tango and Galaxy
mimetype icons, right? Ok, I think I can help on it. I'll look in the
Bugzilla and see what I can to do.

A question not very related to, anyway (sorry if it was already replied):
Why can't we use SVG files to icons, otherwise bitmap converted ones? I know
Ubuntu support SVG icons and they don't lost quality on resizing. Would it
because other operational systems?

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2011/4/7 Bernhard Dippold 

> Hi Christoph, all,
>
> Christoph Noack wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > as you may know, LibreOffice still lacks complete support concerning the
> > new MIME icons. Thus, I'd like to invite everybody who is interested in
> > this topic (Paulo, Nik, ... ?) to subscribe to the corresponding bug.
> >
> > To me, it would be very desirable to get you updated automatically :-)
> > And if you could have a look at the most recent comments.
> >
> > Here is a link:
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33229
>
> One point to consider are the different themes in LibreOffice using the
> same iconset at the moment (or staying with a design without thight
> relation to LibreOffice).
>
> Some shading/shadowing  (perhaps coloring) modifications need to
> be done in order to fit with the Oxygen Theme or Crystal Theme.
>
> For smaller sizes Paolo already worked on Tango Theme, but this
> need to be adapted for larger scales too.
>
> Another point is extraction of single SVG files from the source, even
> if this seems no longer to be necessary for Gnome 3 (using high
> resolution bitmaps).
>
> I can't spend time on this topic at the moment, but I don't want
> it to be forgotten, so I just mention it...
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
> PS: When we finished the WWN work on the wiki and defined
> our work's structures, these topics should be added to the
> collection of work-to-be-done (easy / less easy design)
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif

[Paulo José Amaro]

Nik's "Scatter" +1 - Paulo
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2011/3/20 ol klaus-jürgen weghorn 

> Hi Nik,
>
> Am 19.03.2011 06:01, schrieb Nik:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>>
>> So the Design phase for the Motif proposals has just expired, thanks
>> heaps to anyone that participated in the discussion and the proposals.
>> I've put together a list of all the candidates from the proposals
>> accumulated on the Motif page;
>>
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif
>>
>> as mentioned in a previous Email, we will vote on this Mailing list
>> (because it is presumably convenient for all who are registered here,
>> and aren't on the wiki) and I will collate the results on the above Wiki
>> page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Voting). The
>> voting concludes midnight this Sunday (GMT).
>>
>> To vote for you preferred proposal, scan the above page quickly so you
>> get a feeling for all the proposals, then, add a "+1 " next to
>> the proposal of your choice. For example, here is a fake poll filled out
>> by "John";
>> EXAMPLE PROPOSALS
>> Red proposal
>> Blue proposal, +1 John
>> Green proposal
>>
>> It would help a lot if you only replied to this original Email instead
>> of a reply posted by other members, so there is no confusing quoted
>> votes (in case people omit their name).
>> So without further ado, here are our beautiful finalists;
>>
>> *MOTIF DESIGN PROPOSALS;*
>> ---
>> Christoph's "Triangle patterns"
>>
> +1 k-j
>
>
>  Christoph's "Large motif"
>> Daniel's "Overlapping coloured circles"
>> Daniel's "Remix of the repeating triangles"
>> Ivan's "Interweaved diagonals"
>> Nik's "MessyStack"
>> Nik's "OpenBook"
>> Nik's "ApplicationCorners"
>> Nik's "DocumentFlower"
>> Nik's "FoldedPage"
>> Nik's "Scatter"
>> Tobias' "Triangle patchwork pattern"
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Christoph, all

Sorry for replying too late - also this is not the actual reply. But I need
to tell something bad... I don't know how, but my notebook's ethernet board
just busted, so I'm unable to access Internet from home, but just from
University - and my time here will be bery limited until I repare this [big]
problem. :-(

By now, thank you very very very much for doing these additions and I'll be
back with a appropriate reply. I hope soon! :-P
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2011/3/16 Christoph Noack 

> Hi Paulo, all!
>
> Cool - thanks for the excellent stuff :-) I'm trying to add a bit more
> information for those who might be interested.
>
> Am Dienstag, den 15.03.2011, 21:42 -0300 schrieb Paulo José Amaro:
>
> > By the way, I finally started the wiki page about this:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking
> > I've a doubt about the "Remaking", so if this word can be replaced by
> > another one more appropriated, don't think twice)
>
> I felt free to add a section to the wiki page that deals with:
>  * Specifications that deal with the current status bar items
>  * Help documents that explain the current behavior
>  * Ideas that have been collected within the community (or that I
>knew of previous discussions with the OOo UX team members)
>
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking#Requirements.2C_Specifications_and_Improvements
>
> Maybe this helps to e.g. reconsider some more items being only visible
> in certain cases. And if not, it nicely shows the complexity of the
> status bar topic ;-)
>
> Being unable to do more (today), that's it.
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mockup : Margin resizing

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi all,

2011/3/14 Christoph Noack 

> [...]
> To pour in some more ideas (by other people), please have a look what
> Andreas once made:
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Direct_Manipulation_and_Mouse_Gestures
> Guys, it's amazing to see such involvement!
>
THIS + Sylvian's idea would be INSANE! I think this would be one of the best
features I ever seen in an office suite.

You could include these ideas in the HTML/javascritp mock-up, then we could
receive user feedback directly. I'm sure it would give good results. I can
help with quick users tests.

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Christoph, all,

2011/3/14 Christoph Noack 

> [...]
> Oh, I have to thank you ... it's pure fun to see that much of the old
> stuff can be useful (at the end).
>
No doubt it is terrible when great ideas get lost by the times... I'm glad
you did restore these icons from the past.

 Oh, that can be solved. We already have word count functionality in
> Writer, but it is rather unusable ... it presents the result in a modal
> dialog. Grrr.
>
Actually? Never mind... (-:  So it seems to make the development work to add
it to status bar a lot easier!

>From my point-of-view, it is not required to count the words
> instantly ... there is no issue in waiting for several hundred
> milliseconds until we can be sure the user is "idling". Concerning the
> latter, I think most of the time people writing text is spend on
> thinking but typing. So we just have to make sure that it is clear to
> the user that the word count is incorrect (if LibO is re-counting). I'm
> not sure, but I think Word works the same ...
>
> Example:
>532 Characters (Document)
>... user starts typing ...
>532 Characters (Document)
>... user stops typing ...
>... system is re-calculating ...
>561 Characters (Document)
> [...]
>
You're right at all. It is not required to do instantly. Actually it could
be easy to be implemented, so I'll include it in the step 2 of remaking of
Status Bar. It's great! :-D

By the way, I finally started the wiki page about this:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking
I've a doubt about the "Remaking", so if this word can be replaced by
another one more appropriated, don't think twice)

[...] Definitively a god idea, but I think there is no need to hurry.
> Instead, all, please also support Nik's work on the motif creation (I'm
> hoping that somebody is compensating my lacking involvement *g*).
>
Oh... I'm not confident about it. I think I'm not the right person to help
on the motif task. At least to creating a proposal. But I'm giving my
comments and suggestions soon I can.

 > [...] Someone know a easy way to upload the HTML code and change it in
> > a collaborative way (Like Etherpad or Google Docs was to text)? [...]
>
> Phew, I don't know ... anybody?
>
So... I did no discovers about how to do that. Then I choosed to use
Dropbox, so I can share the folder with everyone that want to help editing
the HTML  and make proposals, in meantime showing the page to everyone
publicly.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107072/HTML%20mockups/Status-Bar-HTML-Version-Step-1.html

Just to remember: It's just HTML and CSS, so if someone could help me with
javascript (jQuery if it's possible) to improve menus and mplement state
changes, I'll be glad!

Now the next step is evaluating Status Bar items. I'll do some user tests
here in university to validate the new item arrangement and make it
justifiable from UX POV. *Bernhard*, I'd like to ask your help here, if
you'll have time.

But no hurry at all. :-D

Have a great week, Design gentlemen,
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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo

[Paulo José Amaro]

Same here, B.

Although, it's just because the kerning seems to be out of place without the
other proposed changes, sadly.
I think I'll not do help with that (and probably be counter-productive), but
my personal taste is still for C [1].

~Paulo

[1] -
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f1/LogoImprovementStep2.png
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2011/3/15 Johannes Bausch 

> Yes, to be honest, I don't like that half-broken ligature either. Maybe I
> really should only do something about the kerning.
>
> 2011/3/15 Daniel Merker 
>
> >
> > My vote: B
> >
> > Why: It seems that the other option is employing a style that isn't
> > consistent across the entire logo; moreover, it doesn't seem to match
> > anything else.
> >
> >
> > -Daniel Merker
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold <
> > bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Joey, all
> > >
> > > I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey!
> > >
> > > Johannes Bausch schrieb:
> > >
> > >  Hey,
> > >>
> > >> following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a
> > >> step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main
> > >> concern.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable
> > > with the distinct characters.
> > >
> > > In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the
> > > difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but
> > > in comparison with the present logo they felt different.
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a
> > > compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in
> > > order to create an improved visual impression.
> > >
> > >  [...]
> > >>
> > >
> > > I compared your last proposal with the current logo here:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png
> > > (force reload)
> > >
> > > If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look
> > > at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but
> > > you'll find it).
> > >
> > > For me it is much more important to compare the general impression
> > > rather than the tiny modifications.
> > >
> > > So I ask you to vote on this comparison:
> > >
> > > Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want
> > > to be associated with LibreOffice?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other
> > > modifications except the "ffi" in the old logo?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Bernhard
> > >
> > > PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image
> > > already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision...
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Mockup : Margin resizing

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Sylain,

It's very very nice! The interative mockup is a good approach to show the
workflow you are purposing. But I was thinking: how can I resize the
left/top borders? Would you include an "move" option to the object inside to
make it possible?(I don't know if I've been clear with my - not good -
english, so let me know if I didn't

Thank you for your effort! :-)
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2011/3/13 Rick Hansson 

> Sylvain,
>
> This is great.
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:06 AM, ubuntulesjours  >wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I have imagined a new way to*resize margin* around an image in
> LibreOffice
> > because it was quite difficult to do it in OpenOffice.
> >
> > - You can see it in this *picture* :
> > http://ubuntulesjours.free.fr/wp-content/uploads/lo_image.png
> > - I have also developed an *interactive mockup* in HTML to make it more
> > understandable :
> >
> http://ubuntulesjours.free.fr/wp-content/uploads/mockup_libreoffice.html(onlybottom
>  right corner is active)
> >
> > I don't know if it could be interesting for LibreOffice but don't
> hesitate
> > to comment this idea.
> > Thank you !
> >
> > Sylvain.
> >
> > PS : sorry for my poor skills in English.
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Christoph, Rick, all

Thank you, Christoph! I'll include these buttons in the mockup.

Rick, this is probably a great idea. I personally would like it a lot!
Although, It may implicates some language problems, like "how to count"
words in different languages, or even performance problems. Imagine the
delay to count each word when you past (or delete) a long text once. Of
course, i'm speculating about it. The real problems may be different, but
I'm sure it'll require a wide work.

We could join every ideas about the Status Bar change in a wiki page to make
it easier to know the current progress. I'm purposing make the changes in
small steps (or versions), where each step could be a "section" in the page,
so the developers can follow these steps in a efficient way. I think I'll be
able to create the page tonight, but all are invited to join.

By the way, I did a HTML mockup, so will be simple to purpuse ideas and see
them "implemented". For now it's just CSS working, but I think we could
include some javascript (with jQuery) to make it interactive, eg. to create
functional menus. I can't upload it now because the FTP is blocked at
university. Someone know a easy way to upload the HTML code and change it in
a collaborative way (Like Etherpad or Google Docs was to text)? I'll try to
find a solution before upload it to wiki (that seems to be the hardest way
to work on it).

Regards
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2011/3/13 Rick Hansson 

> Hi,
>
>
> I like this new grouping, Paulo. It make sense.
>
>
> Also I would prefer to have most of the items in the status bar turned off.
> The user should decide what goes in there. I would love to see a word count
> for example. This has probably been discussed before (I'm new here), so in
> that case ignore it.
>
>
> Rick
>
> 2011/3/12 Paulo José 
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm thinking about changing the LibreOffice Writer's Status Bar. Just a
> > little bit. :-P
> >
> > My motivation was the feeling of confusion that actually appear
> sometimes,
> > making me think about a new way to organize that information.
> >
> > I tried to capture some initial thinkings about the status bar, pointing
> > its issues. I perceived we can categorize its information in Page,
> Document
> > and Selection related:
> >
> >
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Current-libreoffice-writer-statusbar.png
> >
> > For more information about the options of Writer's Status Bar, see the
> > LibreOffice's wiki page [1].
> >
> > As you can see, there's some same category's information in different
> > places. An issue, by example, it's when the user wanna know the page
> number
> > when scrolling the page, so it needs look at the left side, while
> scrolling
> > at the right side of screen.
> >
> > I tried to achieve a better way to organize these informations, keeping a
> > logical relationship between them. In my proposal, the Document
> information
> > stay in the left site, the Page information on the right side and the
> > Selection information stay closer to the content, in the center. Also an
> > order that I tried to keep is "Edition" items before "Only-Information"
> > items. This is my proposal:
> >
> >
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
> >
> > I'd like to hear what you think about it. It's just one of my ideas
> > concerning the Status Bar, including changing the Insert and Selection
> Mode
> > text to icons, and evencreating a dynamic status bar, integrated with
> > context toolbars.
> >
> > But in small steps we walk longer, does not? :-) By now, I think we could
> > just reorganize the Status Bar and improve its communicability. :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > ~Paulo
> >
> > [1] - http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Status_Bar
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Nik!

Wow, your last proposals are actually great! I still don't feel the "motif"
feeling, but I think all them (specially the 6th) should be officially used
in our work. They have quality enough to this, but still are too general to
make me think on "LibreOffice" when I see them. But I think they are very
promissing and define good approach to our motif!

Just now some ideas are coming to my mind and if I'd have time tonight I'll
make some proposals based on yours.

By the way, I'm very excited to comment on the others motif's proposals.
This page is becoming a place full of good ideas! :-D
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif

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2011/3/10 Nik 

> Hi Ivan and Design!
>
> Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page;
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif
>
> I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm
> running short on time.
> Mainly, my theme centres on the "collaboration/community" aspect. And some
> exploration of the clipped corner.
> Most of my shapes occur in "six-sided configurations" to reflect the
> writer/calc/base/draw... apps.
> Good luck with your own proposals. Remember, they don't have to be perfect,
> they just have to be ready enough to be voted on.
> We can refine them as a team a little later.
>
> Hopefully we can stick to the proposed timeline and go to a vote end of
> this week.
> now for some feedback
>
>
>
> On 3/7/2011 7:12 PM, Ivan M. wrote:
>
>> Hi Nik, all,
>>
>> First of all, Nik, thank you so much for driving this forward - you're
>> doing a fantastic job!
>>
> Thanks amigo, That's high praise coming from /you/! =)
>
>  On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Nik  wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>> So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!*
>>>
>>>   * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the
>>> branding, create a first draft of your motif.
>>>   * Upload it to the Wiki page
>>> (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new
>>> "Motif proposals" section (bottom of page).
>>>   * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is
>>> quite bad).
>>>   * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more
>>> importantly, what it communicates.
>>>
>> I've uploaded a rather quick and simple proposal to the wiki page with
>> some descriptions and self-critique. I realise that it looks a little
>> kitschy now (double rainbow all the way across the sky...) but I don't
>> have the time right now to refine it further (or make a letterhead),
>>
> That's cool, I can totally imagine this in a letterhead and a whole bunch
> of other formats, especially if used as a narrow strip.
> You actually managed to skilfully combine the application colours, which
> inspired my own attempt at mastering composition of the application colours.
> And you used a TEXTURE really well, something I'd like to see more of,
> because texture says so much by impeding so little.
>
>  but the LibO rounded document corners could be brought into play as
>> well. On that little tangent, I was also wondering what a bokeh-like
>> effect with the LibO rounded document corners would look like (if it
>> was done properly)...
>>
> If you manage to make a Bokeh motif work, and we complemented it with bokeh
> photography, that would make for AMAZING compositions!
>
>  I'm looking forward to seeing what others come up with!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ivan.
>>
>>  Thanks for pitching in during your busy-season Ivan.
> And I too am looking forward to what gets made by the crew?
> Head on over to the Motif page to catch up on what's happened so far;
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif
>
> -Nik
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Johannes!

Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to the
wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal.

And with "sharpening filter" I mean this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking or another GIMP plugin to sharp
image's edges (IMO, the best is the Inverse Diffusion of GIMP's GMIC
plugin). They can be used to correct some kerning problems on the final
generated bitmaps.

~Paulo

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2011/3/1 Johannes Bausch 

> Hey Bernhard, all,
>
> sorry for not having repsonded so far. I'll try to answer more in time in
> future.
> I've added a third alternative where both f's have the same shape (note
> however, that I had to cap the first f so that the upper tip does not
> collide with the next f. If I had just copied the second one it would have
> looked really ugly - I'm sure you realize that, I just thought I should
> mention it). I think having the same curvature for both fs is indeed the
> way
> to go. I'll keep that in mind for the final design.
> Another thing I tried was to have equal spacing for all three letters -
> which does not look good. Bernhard, you said that the "i" is lighter than
> the "f" and therefore could be moved to the left - that is exactly what I
> have done in the previous examples, although it seems as if I forgot to
> mention it. I added a note on that on the wiki.
> So equal spacing: not good.
> Even spacing: good.
> The other thing I tried was to incorporate the suggestion of my friend (
> http://tinyurl.com/6x7
> Paulo José O. Amaro
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>
>
> fyg7 ) which looked even worse than without
> any
> ligature.
>
> 2011/2/28 Bernhard Dippold 
>
> > It looks different from the original Vegur "f", but a slightly stronger
> > bending doesn't harm the general impression in my eyes.
> >
> Since the Vegur font has no ligatures the ligatures will look different
> from
> the normal letters anyway. I try and match them as good as I can.
>
> Also, it seems to me that there are currently two open threads in the
> design
> list. I try to merge them ^^:
> 2011/3/1 Paulo José 
> >
> > *The Ligatures*: I think the ligatures in the "fi" letters was a very
> > welcome surprise. It's true they remember a serifed font, but I
> personally
> > love the way you put this serifed feeling on the LibO logo! I think it
> makes
> > the logo very particular and organic. I don't see any reason to don't mix
> > serif and sans-serif font when it's obviously look intentional and well
> > done.
> >
> @Paulo: thanks for your positive comments. I know this is personal taste
> but
> since everyone told me it would look like a serifed font I stopped thinking
> about it. But now that you say you like it, I must say that I agree. All
> alternatives to the one I first did (just for reference:
> http://tinyurl.com/63ku3mw) look more nervous because there are more gaps
> and more open tips. Since I got so little (in terms of different people)
> feedback on this I'd like to ask others to give their opinion on the logos.
> Just a short "looks good/doesn't look good" would be really great. I'll
> also
> try and ask some friends of mine.
>
>
> > *Manual kerning*: Well, I'm not the right person to talk about it, but
> I'm
> > not sure if it's worth, since you can ever make use of a sharpening
> filter
> > for images. But the changes you've done on the letters shape are a great
> > improvement and make the things much... sexy [I can't find a better
> > adjective]. A note: It seems the "D" on Document has not a correct
> kerning,
> > but like I've said, it could be easily adjusted with a sharpening filter.
> >
> What do you mean with "sharpening filter"?
>
> I agree that the sharp corners on the logo were a bad idea. Let's forget
> about them ^^.
>
> Thanks,
> Joey
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] A personal note

[Paulo José Amaro]

2011/2/25 Bernhard Dippold 

> > >
> > > Thanks for complaining and sorry for not doing more banners, like I've
> sad.
>
> Complaining has a negative sound in English (at least for me). I hope
> never-
> theless, that you take my comments as positive critcism.
>
> Replying quickly: Sorry, I misunderstood the word "comprehend" (understand)
by "complaining". I'm bit dyslexic sometimes...but this was a
Portuguese->English mistake actually. Thanks for notice that!

The right sentence should be:
Thanks in advance for comprehend [...]

I'll back. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!

[Paulo José Amaro]

No, my detailing in the Jaron gear was not good, actually. Use your version,
I insist. :)

And there's a portuguese expression that says: "The hurry is enemy of the
perfection"... So I uploaded my latest file to the wrong file in the wiki...
Sorry for that, I already restored the right version of the Initial icons
and i'm uploading my current version - now - in the right place. *shame*

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2011/2/2 Bernhard Dippold 

> Hi Paulo, *
>
> Paulo José Amaro schrieb:
>
>  Very quickly: i'm personally for the Jaron Gear. I've done the detailing
>> job
>> on it too, but the proposal here looks better actually. :D
>>
>
> Better than yours? I can't imagine
> (I only copied your shadings to Jaron's gears)
>
> Unfortunately I can't get your file from the wiki:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo.svg
> still shows the old one (even with forced reload).
>
> You uploaded a new version of this file:
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons_source.svg
>
> But it shows the old Macro icons too.
>
> Can you help me?
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!

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Completely off-topic, but my mail client is dieing to be downloading +6000
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Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!

[Paulo José Amaro]

Thanks Barnhard! I didn't see the gradient was wrong - my fault. Good it was
correct in time. :)
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2011/2/2 Bernhard Dippold 

> Paulo José Amaro schrieb:
>
>  Even more quickly: Can someone show me the rip-off line in the Impress
>> icon?
>> I actually didn't see it. :P
>>
>
> The background of the inner area is too dark - Gradient goes from
> LibreMarron2 to LibreMarron3 instead of 3 -> 4
> (The other icons use a lighter gradient, therefore the rip-off looks
> lighter too)
>
> (Already in earlier versions and in the 256px version too)
>
> If I remember correctly - just wanted to tell you instantly.
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
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Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!

[Paulo José Amaro]

Even more quickly: Can someone show me the rip-off line in the Impress icon?
I actually didn't see it. :P
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Em 2 de fevereiro de 2011 19:03, Paulo José Amaro escreveu:

> Very quickly: i'm personally for the Jaron Gear. I've done the detailing
> job on it too, but the proposal here looks better actually. :D
>
> ~Paulo
>
> 2011/2/2 Christoph Noack 
>
> Hi Bernhard, hi Thorsten!
>>
>> I keep the full mail, since I'd like to forward it to Thorsten - who
>> might not be aware of this mail.
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, den 02.02.2011, 21:27 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
>> > Hi Jaron, all,
>> >
>> > sorry that I can't work on the icons today, but I'm sick - the stomach
>> > flu my children had during the last days caught myself.
>>
>> :-( Oh, please recover very soon ...
>>
>> > So I try to get at least the most important stuff done...
>> >
>> > Jaron Kuppers schrieb:
>> > > Hi Bernhard,
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Bernhard Dippold<
>> > > bernh...@familie-dippold.at>  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icons.png
>> > >>
>> > >> Do you think they are okay in comparable in quality?
>> > >>
>> > > I think the "Jaron gear" works better at the 16px but "Paulo's gear"
>> looks
>> > > better at the 128px size.
>> >
>> > I just copied the shadings Paulo used for his icons to the "Jaron gear"
>> > - but as Paulo has limited Internet access he will probably not be able
>> > to step in in time.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Which one should we propose to include in LibreOffice 3.3.1?
>> > >>
>> > >> As part of our collaborative work I'd like to include Jaron's.
>> > >>
>> > > If you honestly think Paulo's gear is better don't include my change.
>>  I
>> > > would rather the better icon be shipped out.  My feelings won't be
>> hurt. :-)
>> >
>> > My personal impression is that your gear look more technical, it can't
>> > be mistaken as star or flower.
>> >
>> > So as nobody else commented on them, I'd go with yours.
>> >
>> > I'm quite sure that these icons will be visible on the user's desktop
>> > quite seldom - and from my personal experience (not UX based) these
>> > people rather use smaller than larger document icons.
>> > >
>> > > I integrated Jaron's Macro icons and the lighter Impress template
>> gradient
>> > >> in this source file:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg
>> > >>
>> > >> If we are okay with the icons in this file, they will be the ones to
>> hand
>> > >> over to Thorsten tomorrow.
>> > >>
>> > >> So please comment all: Critics, approval, what ever else:
>> > >>
>> > > In general the icons look great!  My five dislikes are: (by the way it
>> > > started at 2 and then I got really critical)
>> > > 1) Calc 128px icon: The middle column at the top row is a little
>> light.
>> > > 2) Calc 128px icon: The lines on the bar graph next to the orange bar
>> > > contrast too much
>> > > 3) Draw 16px icon: I liked it better in a previous iteration where the
>> > > triangle was the same equilateral triangle as in the other icons
>> > > 4) Impress 128px icon: The shadow could be a little bit darker I
>> think...
>> > > (opacity changed to ~80)
>> > > 5) HTML/Web 16px icon: If you take the 32px "World" and shrink it to
>> the
>> > > 16px world size and then change the "web" to 0.5 px width you get a
>> nicer
>> > > icon.*
>> >
>> > I can see all the points (perhaps except the last one - I'd like to have
>> > it visualized), some of them apply to the 256px icons too: So yes, there
>> > is room for improvement.
>> >
>> > I'd like to read Paulo's and Christoph's comments (and other's).
>> >
>> > But as time for improvements for the LibO 3.3.1 release seems to be
>> > over, we'll have to work on them for 

Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!

[Paulo José Amaro]

Very quickly: i'm personally for the Jaron Gear. I've done the detailing job
on it too, but the proposal here looks better actually. :D

~Paulo

2011/2/2 Christoph Noack 

> Hi Bernhard, hi Thorsten!
>
> I keep the full mail, since I'd like to forward it to Thorsten - who
> might not be aware of this mail.
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 02.02.2011, 21:27 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > Hi Jaron, all,
> >
> > sorry that I can't work on the icons today, but I'm sick - the stomach
> > flu my children had during the last days caught myself.
>
> :-( Oh, please recover very soon ...
>
> > So I try to get at least the most important stuff done...
> >
> > Jaron Kuppers schrieb:
> > > Hi Bernhard,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Bernhard Dippold<
> > > bernh...@familie-dippold.at>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icons.png
> > >>
> > >> Do you think they are okay in comparable in quality?
> > >>
> > > I think the "Jaron gear" works better at the 16px but "Paulo's gear"
> looks
> > > better at the 128px size.
> >
> > I just copied the shadings Paulo used for his icons to the "Jaron gear"
> > - but as Paulo has limited Internet access he will probably not be able
> > to step in in time.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Which one should we propose to include in LibreOffice 3.3.1?
> > >>
> > >> As part of our collaborative work I'd like to include Jaron's.
> > >>
> > > If you honestly think Paulo's gear is better don't include my change.
>  I
> > > would rather the better icon be shipped out.  My feelings won't be
> hurt. :-)
> >
> > My personal impression is that your gear look more technical, it can't
> > be mistaken as star or flower.
> >
> > So as nobody else commented on them, I'd go with yours.
> >
> > I'm quite sure that these icons will be visible on the user's desktop
> > quite seldom - and from my personal experience (not UX based) these
> > people rather use smaller than larger document icons.
> > >
> > > I integrated Jaron's Macro icons and the lighter Impress template
> gradient
> > >> in this source file:
> > >>
> > >>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg
> > >>
> > >> If we are okay with the icons in this file, they will be the ones to
> hand
> > >> over to Thorsten tomorrow.
> > >>
> > >> So please comment all: Critics, approval, what ever else:
> > >>
> > > In general the icons look great!  My five dislikes are: (by the way it
> > > started at 2 and then I got really critical)
> > > 1) Calc 128px icon: The middle column at the top row is a little light.
> > > 2) Calc 128px icon: The lines on the bar graph next to the orange bar
> > > contrast too much
> > > 3) Draw 16px icon: I liked it better in a previous iteration where the
> > > triangle was the same equilateral triangle as in the other icons
> > > 4) Impress 128px icon: The shadow could be a little bit darker I
> think...
> > > (opacity changed to ~80)
> > > 5) HTML/Web 16px icon: If you take the 32px "World" and shrink it to
> the
> > > 16px world size and then change the "web" to 0.5 px width you get a
> nicer
> > > icon.*
> >
> > I can see all the points (perhaps except the last one - I'd like to have
> > it visualized), some of them apply to the 256px icons too: So yes, there
> > is room for improvement.
> >
> > I'd like to read Paulo's and Christoph's comments (and other's).
> >
> > But as time for improvements for the LibO 3.3.1 release seems to be
> > over, we'll have to work on them for the next release.
> >
> > As your proposals don't change the general look&feel, it will not lead
> > to user confusion when we change the icons slightly in the next releases.
> >
> > So I'd like to ask Thorsten to use this file to create the icons to be
> > included in LibreOffice 3.3.1:
> >
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/d/d4/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg
> >
> >
> > I can't find the issue/bug where the first version of the icons has been
> > uploaded to bugs.freedesktop.org, so I can't attach the file there.
>
> But we do have the wiki page ;-)
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons#Source_Code_Integration
>
> However, I've added the link to the most recent files to the issue
> tracker.
>
> > It's a great result for a really collaborative work - and we go on this
> > way with the new logo (I like Nik's proposal very much - will comment it
> > tomorrow) and other tasks !
>
> Thorsten, might that work? I didn't follow the discussion that closely
> concerning how to export / do the icons. Do you need some help, then
> please ask on the mailing list.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm unable to help today/tomorrow, since I'm also a bit
> busy as well :-\
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
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[libreoffice-design] Proposal for the "Cross-Reference" dialog

[Paulo José Amaro]

I made a superfitial analysis of usability and acessibility of the
"Cross-Reference" dialog of Fields options and some proposes. Please see
them in my user page the wiki. Comentaries, tips and changes will be very
welcome! :)

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose#Improving_the_.22Cross-Reference_Window.22_UI_in_Fields_dialog_.402010-01-21

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Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!

[Paulo José Amaro]

Hi Björn!

It seems to be an interesting subject! i'm working on it right now in
Inkscape and I will post in a wiki page. I hope you can comment and help to
improve and correct my ideas. ;)

Thanks for the tip! :D
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2011/1/21 Björn Balazs 

> Hi Paulo, Mike, Ivan, all,
>
> Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2011, 10:37:56 schrieb Paulo Jos�:
> > Yeas, I think most of visual changes must be done gradually to make sure
> > that savvy users will not lost the control feeling on the UI.
>
> just to let you know - there is a task I promised to work on, but did not
> really find the time to get to some actual results so far.
>
> Please take a look at this thread:
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg00180.html
>
> If you like to jump in and help us to create a cool solution for this, we
> all
> could learn how to work on UI topics for LibO without touching the whole
> thing
> in the first step.
>
> Interested?
>
> Best,
> Björn
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