Re: Share the how to collaborate? (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?)
hi christoph So I felt free to add some introduction, changed the formatting / numbering a bit, added a license recommendation, and changed the text a bit. Concerning the latter, my aim was to emphasize the personal contribution ... I hope that's fine for you. yes, of course :) and the formatting is way better now, thanks a lot! What's the next thing you'd like to improve? ;-) uhmm, i guess this is ok for now. it's not too long, which means new contributors can read through it in a few minutes, but it contains all the important things they should be aware of when making contributions. the only thing i'd add is a link to this page from the get started page (if there is one) or from the design kick off page. tobias 2011/10/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias! First, thanks for the help :-) Am Freitag, den 28.10.2011, 17:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: hi all after some busy weeks where i've been absent from the mailing list, here's a first draft for the collaboration wiki text. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration as i said, i don't have a lot of experience with mediawiki, so the formatting could probably be better and there are probably still some language errors ;) what do you think? That's great - it is much simpler to refine something once its there, than having to create something new. So I felt free to add some introduction, changed the formatting / numbering a bit, added a license recommendation, and changed the text a bit. Concerning the latter, my aim was to emphasize the personal contribution ... I hope that's fine for you. Thanks a lot! What's the next thing you'd like to improve? ;-) Cheers, Christoph 2011/10/3 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 21:00 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? yes, i could. great idea! Cool - thanks a lot! but i'd probably need some help, because i don't have a lot of exprience with mediawiki (i tried to create a new page, but couldn't find the option to do it). so if someone creates a page i'd write the text ;) Done :-) Here it is ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration Creating a page in MediaWiki is a bit funny, yes. You need to browse to the inexistent page (e.g. by typing in a URL), then you get the option to Create it. But, you need to be logged in. Thanks again! I'm sure we can make it a helpful resource for new team members ... if others think stuff is missing (e.g. I always wanted to know ..., I know others always missed ...), then please jump in. Cheers, Christoph tobias 2011/9/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there
Re: Share the how to collaborate? (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?)
hi all after some busy weeks where i've been absent from the mailing list, here's a first draft for the collaboration wiki text. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration as i said, i don't have a lot of experience with mediawiki, so the formatting could probably be better and there are probably still some language errors ;) what do you think? tobias 2011/10/3 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 21:00 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? yes, i could. great idea! Cool - thanks a lot! but i'd probably need some help, because i don't have a lot of exprience with mediawiki (i tried to create a new page, but couldn't find the option to do it). so if someone creates a page i'd write the text ;) Done :-) Here it is ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration Creating a page in MediaWiki is a bit funny, yes. You need to browse to the inexistent page (e.g. by typing in a URL), then you get the option to Create it. But, you need to be logged in. Thanks again! I'm sure we can make it a helpful resource for new team members ... if others think stuff is missing (e.g. I always wanted to know ..., I know others always missed ...), then please jump in. Cheers, Christoph tobias 2011/9/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: Share the how to collaborate? (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?)
Hi Tobias! First, thanks for the help :-) Am Freitag, den 28.10.2011, 17:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: hi all after some busy weeks where i've been absent from the mailing list, here's a first draft for the collaboration wiki text. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration as i said, i don't have a lot of experience with mediawiki, so the formatting could probably be better and there are probably still some language errors ;) what do you think? That's great - it is much simpler to refine something once its there, than having to create something new. So I felt free to add some introduction, changed the formatting / numbering a bit, added a license recommendation, and changed the text a bit. Concerning the latter, my aim was to emphasize the personal contribution ... I hope that's fine for you. Thanks a lot! What's the next thing you'd like to improve? ;-) Cheers, Christoph 2011/10/3 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 21:00 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? yes, i could. great idea! Cool - thanks a lot! but i'd probably need some help, because i don't have a lot of exprience with mediawiki (i tried to create a new page, but couldn't find the option to do it). so if someone creates a page i'd write the text ;) Done :-) Here it is ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration Creating a page in MediaWiki is a bit funny, yes. You need to browse to the inexistent page (e.g. by typing in a URL), then you get the option to Create it. But, you need to be logged in. Thanks again! I'm sure we can make it a helpful resource for new team members ... if others think stuff is missing (e.g. I always wanted to know ..., I know others always missed ...), then please jump in. Cheers, Christoph tobias 2011/9/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List
Re: Share the how to collaborate? (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?)
hi So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? yes, i could. great idea! but i'd probably need some help, because i don't have a lot of exprience with mediawiki (i tried to create a new page, but couldn't find the option to do it). so if someone creates a page i'd write the text ;) tobias 2011/9/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Share the how to collaborate? (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?)
Hi Tobias, all! Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 21:00 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? yes, i could. great idea! Cool - thanks a lot! but i'd probably need some help, because i don't have a lot of exprience with mediawiki (i tried to create a new page, but couldn't find the option to do it). so if someone creates a page i'd write the text ;) Done :-) Here it is ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration Creating a page in MediaWiki is a bit funny, yes. You need to browse to the inexistent page (e.g. by typing in a URL), then you get the option to Create it. But, you need to be logged in. Thanks again! I'm sure we can make it a helpful resource for new team members ... if others think stuff is missing (e.g. I always wanted to know ..., I know others always missed ...), then please jump in. Cheers, Christoph tobias 2011/9/29 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Aleksandar, You are welcome and like I said in a reply to one of your emails the Autumn Season banners did inspire me to do something that I'm not sure that we have done before. I am almost done with it, the problem is that I do not own the software that I am making it in and am making it at school. I know of an open source alternative, but to be honest I just found it and it NEEDS A LOT of work for me to even think about using it. I hope to have something that I can show the team by this Saturday, for that is the next time I will go to DeVry. Just wanted you to know that you did inspire someone to do something new and different. Andrew On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I want to thank you all for your support. I read all your emails and this was great experience so far. Tobias, I understand your point but please note one thing, my time is (and will probably be this year) very limited so I don't have time to create graphic in gimp/inkscape from start. I used gimp before and would like to use it again and I know about inkscape, it's always great to learn something new,new tool,new language etc. and it's not problem to work with these tools but as I said I am currently very busy and time doesn't allow me to do all that things. My idea was to inspire people to create better graphic, to motivate them. I was aware about problem you are talking about. As Christoph said: Why do I say that? Because Aleksandar told me about his tools preference in advance - and as long is able to read PSD files to a certain extend, we should aim for data exchange compatibility, not tools compatibility. I've heard many designers who simply prefer to stick with their tools ... I sent him email to see will this be a problem. I was happy to join Libreoffice project and tried to create something new and fresh but I also knew that using commercial software can be problem in opensource community. I wanted to see can I post my work here so other can see it and maybe create better graphic or get new ideas. This part of email I sent to Christoph (just my part that can be shown in public,I respect others privacy): I have one very important question. [bold] *I work with Photoshop and all graphic I created * *is done with Photoshop. *[/bold] Will that be a problem? and Also, it's not problem for me to upload and send you files but as I said all work is done in Photoshop and would like to hear from you will that be a problem. I showed that I am interested in this problem and that I wouldn't post any work that others can see as problem in opensource community. I just wanted to offer my time and experience. My idea was to post some new things on my wiki page and inspire people to create new graphic for LibreOffice project, to share it with friends and to have something cool to show them about LibreOffice. Just that. You don't need to use it,share it or do anything with it if you don't like it. I was inspired and wanted to share that ideas with others. David,Andrew,Sveinn i Felli,Christoph, thanks for your kind emails. These kind of email motivates me to work harder and to help opensource projects. Thanks Where have I seen this before... http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/happy-birthday-libreoffice.html ^_^ Thanks Daniel, it's always great to see LibreOffice in the news ;) I have also posted some new things and ideas on my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See I have so many things to say but this email is already way too long. Thank you for your time, Aleksandar 2011/9/29 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu Where have I seen this before... http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/happy-birthday-libreoffice.html ^_^ Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -Original Message- From: Tobias Bernard [mailto:berto...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:52 PM To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback? hi maybe there have been some misunderstandings, i had no intention to flame anyone and think aleksandar is doing a great job. but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). i agree that everyone has his favourite tools and is free to use what he wants, but if that means it is not possible changing these files using free software, someone should at least be aware of that and the problems it causes. after that it's up to everyone to decide for his own what he wants to use, but if he decides to use proprietary software, he should at least export the source file to an open format (SVG if possible) everyone can open and edit. in aleksandars case there is kind of a problem doing
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksandar, On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: Tobias, I understand your point but please note one thing, my time is (and will probably be this year) very limited so I don't have time to create graphic in gimp/inkscape from start. I used gimp before and would like to use it again and I know about inkscape, it's always great to learn something new,new tool,new language etc. and it's not problem to work with these tools but as I said I am currently very busy and time doesn't allow me to do all that things. My idea was to inspire people to create better graphic, to motivate them. Aleksandar, speaking for myself, I'm perfectly happy for you to continue the great work you've been doing, using the tools you feel comfortable with. I understand that you don't have time at the moment to learn how to produce all the same effects with Gimp and Inkscape. It is possible to convert many things from Photoshop and Illustrator into Gimp and Inkscape formats. The most useful thing is for us to *have all the source files on the wiki*. That already makes an enormous difference. And the most important thing is that we don't want to discourage you from continuing the fantastic contributions you've been making. With an Open Source project like LibreOffice, you have to remember a few things and not be discouraged by them: * when you offer work, there are some people who are not shy of making opinionated statements even when they never/rarely do any actual useful work for the project. You don't need to pay too much attention to them. But do remember that the people who actually use your work and make the requests for graphics are extremely grateful for your work, and admire and respect your creativeness and skill. * There is absolutely *no* official TDF policy against the use of work from commercial programs. We just need the source files in a reasonably usable form. Photoshop and Illustrator are market standards in graphic design, and there are actually lots of people on this list who have and use those tools themselves. So don't feel shy about continuing to use them. * The fact that we give time and work to an Open Source project shows that we care about Open Source software. But sometimes people tend to be over-zealous about the subject. It would be very sad if you were to stop working for the project just because you use Adobe products and you get the feeling that. therefore, your work isn't welcome. We really need talented artists like you, who actually produce professional quality artwork and don't just spend their time writing to mailing lists. What you've been doing is really superb. I do hope we don't lose your interest because of the unproductive - even counter-productive - comments of people who don't actually *produce* very much themselves. This is all my own 2 cents, but I just can't sit here and say nothing when I see a reproduction of some of the silly and negative attitudes and behaviors that have been quite damaging to this project in the past. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Where have I seen this before... http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/happy-birthday-libreoffice.html ^_^ Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -Original Message- From: Tobias Bernard [mailto:berto...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:52 PM To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback? hi maybe there have been some misunderstandings, i had no intention to flame anyone and think aleksandar is doing a great job. but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). i agree that everyone has his favourite tools and is free to use what he wants, but if that means it is not possible changing these files using free software, someone should at least be aware of that and the problems it causes. after that it's up to everyone to decide for his own what he wants to use, but if he decides to use proprietary software, he should at least export the source file to an open format (SVG if possible) everyone can open and edit. in aleksandars case there is kind of a problem doing that, because ps is a raster graphics editor, so i don't really know which possibilities there are. btw psd import in gimp is horrible for complex designs. that's not gimps fault, it's because psd is a proprietary format, but it is no solution for us. in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. tobias 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi All, I want to thank you all for your support. I read all your emails and this was great experience so far. Tobias, I understand your point but please note one thing, my time is (and will probably be this year) very limited so I don't have time to create graphic in gimp/inkscape from start. I used gimp before and would like to use it again and I know about inkscape, it's always great to learn something new,new tool,new language etc. and it's not problem to work with these tools but as I said I am currently very busy and time doesn't allow me to do all that things. My idea was to inspire people to create better graphic, to motivate them. I was aware about problem you are talking about. As Christoph said: Why do I say that? Because Aleksandar told me about his tools preference in advance - and as long is able to read PSD files to a certain extend, we should aim for data exchange compatibility, not tools compatibility. I've heard many designers who simply prefer to stick with their tools ... I sent him email to see will this be a problem. I was happy to join Libreoffice project and tried to create something new and fresh but I also knew that using commercial software can be problem in opensource community. I wanted to see can I post my work here so other can see it and maybe create better graphic or get new ideas. This part of email I sent to Christoph (just my part that can be shown in public,I respect others privacy): I have one very important question. [bold] *I work with Photoshop and all graphic I created * *is done with Photoshop. *[/bold] Will that be a problem? and Also, it's not problem for me to upload and send you files but as I said all work is done in Photoshop and would like to hear from you will that be a problem. I showed that I am interested in this problem and that I wouldn't post any work that others can see as problem in opensource community. I just wanted to offer my time and experience. My idea was to post some new things on my wiki page and inspire people to create new graphic for LibreOffice project, to share it with friends and to have something cool to show them about LibreOffice. Just that. You don't need to use it,share it or do anything with it if you don't like it. I was inspired and wanted to share that ideas with others. David,Andrew,Sveinn i Felli,Christoph, thanks for your kind emails. These kind of email motivates me to work harder and to help opensource projects. Thanks Where have I seen this before... http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/happy-birthday-libreoffice.html ^_^ Thanks Daniel, it's always great to see LibreOffice in the news ;) I have also posted some new things and ideas on my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See I have so many things to say but this email is already way too long. Thank you for your time, Aleksandar 2011/9/29 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu Where have I seen this before... http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/happy-birthday-libreoffice.html ^_^ Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -Original Message- From: Tobias Bernard [mailto:berto...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:52 PM To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback? hi maybe there have been some misunderstandings, i had no intention to flame anyone and think aleksandar is doing a great job. but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). i agree that everyone has his favourite tools and is free to use what he wants, but if that means it is not possible changing these files using free software, someone should at least be aware of that and the problems it causes. after that it's up to everyone to decide for his own what he wants to use, but if he decides to use proprietary software, he should at least export the source file to an open format (SVG if possible) everyone can open and edit. in aleksandars case there is kind of a problem doing that, because ps is a raster graphics editor, so i don't really know which possibilities there are. btw psd import in gimp is horrible for complex designs. that's not gimps fault, it's because psd is a proprietary format, but it is no solution for us. in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. tobias 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp
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Hi Tobias, all! Am Mittwoch, den 28.09.2011, 21:51 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: [...] but as i already said and others too mentioned, it *is* a problem, when design is done with proprietary software and no soures are available in a standard format (in our case SVG). [...] in any way, i highly recommend everyone to use free software from the very beginning, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the future. I still totally agree ... and you've stated many reasons why the use of open file formats and free software is required to enable collaboration. So, I'd like to kindly ask you for a favor - could you please summarize these thoughts on a wiki page, so that other new community members get an idea how we usually work? That was something I had in mind since quite some time ... but never managed to start writing such a page. I promise that I'll add stuff later ;-) And, it would be greatly complement our already existing tools page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools So, Tobias (or anybody interested), could you start such a Design/Collaboration page? Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/28 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Totally agree with David. Aleksandar used the tools he had on hand - and was very productive doing so. Nothing wrong with that. We already had a similar situation for the Motif development; Nik used CS5 for initial layout which at the end was converted into an open SVG-format. It took some frustration though to get it right [*], there are issues with transparencies, groupings and Smart Objects ?? when exporting from the Adobe products. We should rather be ready to help Aleksandar if such problems arise when he produces the final vector graphics. If a design is supposed to be developed by multiple designers from the start, then of course the use of an initial open format like SVG would be more adequate. So if the final output is good (that is in an open format, editable for further development, translation etc.) I dont care about the initial tools - it could as well have been done with a Rotring pen on Canson paper. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli (who uses extensively FOSS software, is mostly Windows free since 10 years ago, and has never used Facebook - therefore I don't exist :-) ) [*] example: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg01444.html Þann þri 27.sep 2011 22:40, skrifaði David Nelson: Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Tobias, all! Sorry for stepping in ... Am Dienstag, den 27.09.2011, 22:02 +0200 schrieb Tobias Bernard: so you used photoshop to create these? man, that's not cool. graphics for free software should be created using free software. I share this view, but I think there is no need to enforce something like that. Ubuntu uses Balsamiq Mockups for their UI designs, Apache uses a Confluence wiki, and we build LibreOffice for Windows using Windows :-) Why do I say that? Because Aleksandar told me about his tools preference in advance - and as long is able to read PSD files to a certain extend, we should aim for data exchange compatibility, not tools compatibility. I've heard many designers who simply prefer to stick with their tools ... [...] free software is also about the tools we use to create it. so please don't be scared and keep up the great work, but if you can find the time (and haven't already done it), check out inkscapehttp://www.inkscape.org(extremely powerful FLOSS vector graphics editor) and consider using it for future designs. vector is better for most kinds of design anyway ;) I think the keep up the great work sounds great here - we should keep in mind that Alexandar is very new to the LibreOffice community (free software communities) in general and he might need a bit time to understand our rationale and our general aims. That also means the need for others being able to adapt/extend/rework existing artwork. Again, I totally share your view Tobias ... so I'd like to invite Aleksandar (and anybody) to ask questions about free software graphic tools. An interesting page might be: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/26 Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com Thank you Charles, I really believe that good product design can make huge difference, I am part of startup community for more than 3 years now and I worked with many entrepreneurs and developers so I understand how important design can be. I am trying to create graphic that is clean,user friendly and easy to use and understand. As I already said, LibreOffice is great project and I am glad to be part of it. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Aleksandar, I have no artistic ability but I'm inpressed by what you did. Thank you, Charles. Le 26 sept. 2011 19:48, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com a écrit : Thank you. 2011/9/26 Vitorio Furusho furu...@openoffice.org Aleksandar, They were excellent. Congratulations. Sincerely, *Furusho, Vitorio* Ativista de Software Livre, LibreOffice e ODF ODF Alliance Award http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_awards/ Free Software Furusho http://softwarelivre.org/furusho LibreOffice http://broffice.org/ Membro da The Document Foundation http://www.documentationfoundation.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi guys, Sorry, but I disagree with criticising Aleksandar like this. 1) We need creative people doing work for our project. I don't really care what he uses, as long as the format of the source files is accessible. Sure, it would be great if he was using Gimp or Inkscape, but Photoshop can output files that can be read with those programs, and Gimp can read .psd. 2) We all have our favorite tools. I run Linux 24/7 on my system, but I always keep a copy of Photoshop 6/ImageReady installed using Wine/Crossover Office, simply because I know how to easily do things with them that *can* be done with Gimp but only in a more round-about manner. Plus, there are things that Gimp and Photoshop each do slightly better or worse than the other. So I think Aleksandar should be left to use what tools he wants. You do know that Photoshop is a *very* commonly-used tool among graphic artists, right? So can we stop the flaming in this thread about tools? Tobias,Vitorio, when I the same real productive output for the LibreOffice project from you guys as Aleksandar has contributed, then you can start bitching. Until then, please let the guy work in peace. Thanks. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
guys this guy has payed a lot of money for the program he is using, and is very skilled with the tools he every one, has. though I think that we should use free and open source software, we can not force him to use it. why should he switch to the programs that we use if it is compatible that we use. we should not be insulting him for using adobe's produce we should be encouraging him to try out what we use. Im not sure but I think that he is new to open source and does not have the passion that we do for FOSS. but he does have some passion for our software. why else would he be makeing these freaking awesome banners for us. he decided to help us advertise LibreOffice. this is a big problem that we open source people have. I know that we are passionat for this software, but we are really bad at this. if you read some of my email responses you will know that I hate micro$ft, and would like every one to use Ubuntu or other GNU/Linux distro's. I think that every thing that Micro$ft does is stupid, but the person that uses micro$ft produces is not stupid. the user that uses Windo$ just does not know that they have any other choice besides Macinto$$h. P.S. Aleksandar, I am sorry for what they are saying. I hope that you will continue what you are doing. Andrew On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Vitorio Furusho furu...@openoffice.orgwrote: Aleksandar, I agree with what Tobias says. I am using INKSCAPE and GIMP to draw Banner, banners, stickers, posters, etc.. It is a simple software to use and practical. Use INKSCAPE and GIMP! Regards, *Furusho, Vitorio* Ativista de Software Livre, LibreOffice e ODF ODF Alliance Award http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_awards/ Free Software Furusho http://softwarelivre.org/furusho LibreOffice http://broffice.org/ Membro da The Document Foundation http://www.documentationfoundation.org/ 2011/9/27 Tobias Bernard berto...@gmail.com so you used photoshop to create these? man, that's not cool. graphics for free software should be created using free software. all your design is great, but great design done with non-free software is never as good as the same design done with free software. many designers (even in the FLOSS community) don't care about this, but it is really important. if free software design is done on a proprietary system using proprietary software formats, how can people change it using free software on a free OS? if one doesn't think that using free software is a good thing, why should he support free software (such as libo)? design source files are code too. the same principles applied to software are appliable to design too, so if the source isn't published, the design is proprietary. if (as in your case) the design is released under a free software license (LGPL among others) you *have to* publish the source code, it's not optional. i think a lot of us free software people should finally start thinking of our design as something that has to be as free as our software. aleksandar, i don't want to offend you in any way, but i had to say this. free software is also about the tools we use to create it. so please don't be scared and keep up the great work, but if you can find the time (and haven't already done it), check out inkscapehttp://www.inkscape.org(extremely powerful FLOSS vector graphics editor) and consider using it for future designs. vector is better for most kinds of design anyway ;) tobias -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thank you David.It's always great to hear your opinion. I am glad I can help ;) Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/25 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi Aleksandar, I've just been browsing your user page in more depth... That's really *great* work you've been doing! :-) You've produced *so* much material, and all of it exactly what we needed for our visual identity. Thank you very much. It's really great to have you among us. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I was not sure should I upload psd files for all designs or to upload png files and to send psd on request(when I see people are interested). I will start uploading psd files so you can use them ;) Thanks, Aleksandar 2011/9/26 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Aleksandar, Please would it be possible to upload the source files (.svg, .xcf, .psd, whatever...) so that we are able to re-work stuff for other needs, etc? That way, the material becomes more maintainable and re-useable... TIA if so. :-) On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you David.It's always great to hear your opinion. I am glad I can help ;) Cheers, Aleksandar -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Aleksandar, I have no artistic ability but I'm inpressed by what you did. Thank you, Charles. Le 26 sept. 2011 19:48, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com a écrit : Thank you. 2011/9/26 Vitorio Furusho furu...@openoffice.org Aleksandar, They were excellent. Congratulations. Sincerely, *Furusho, Vitorio* Ativista de Software Livre, LibreOffice e ODF ODF Alliance Award http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_awards/ Free Software Furusho http://softwarelivre.org/furusho LibreOffice http://broffice.org/ Membro da The Document Foundation http://www.documentationfoundation.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thank you Charles, I really believe that good product design can make huge difference, I am part of startup community for more than 3 years now and I worked with many entrepreneurs and developers so I understand how important design can be. I am trying to create graphic that is clean,user friendly and easy to use and understand. As I already said, LibreOffice is great project and I am glad to be part of it. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Aleksandar, I have no artistic ability but I'm inpressed by what you did. Thank you, Charles. Le 26 sept. 2011 19:48, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com a écrit : Thank you. 2011/9/26 Vitorio Furusho furu...@openoffice.org Aleksandar, They were excellent. Congratulations. Sincerely, *Furusho, Vitorio* Ativista de Software Livre, LibreOffice e ODF ODF Alliance Award http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_awards/ Free Software Furusho http://softwarelivre.org/furusho LibreOffice http://broffice.org/ Membro da The Document Foundation http://www.documentationfoundation.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Christoph,all, I have just uploaded two new files with an exclamation mark as David proposed (Thanks to David). I updated my wiki page with licence information,sorry about that. I hope that will be ok now, if I need to do anything else please feel free to tell me. Also, I want to say Thank you all. Community is great, I really enjoy to be part of it and I think LibreOffice is great project. Thanks, Aleksandar 2011/9/25 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Aleksandar, Cake4? Seems a very productive bakery :-) Am Samstag, den 24.09.2011, 22:47 +0200 schrieb Aleksandar: I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary Hope you like it. Cheers, Aleksandar Hey, thank you! And good to know that Italo also replied and provided us with some feedback and the go. So, is this the final version? Or are you planning to add an exclamation mark as David proposed? (Here, I'm clueless, since English is not my native language. But David is heavily involved in LibO documentation and text style.) Another question that needs to be clarified - the license. I had a look at the license information of the pictures, but didn't find any. Can you please confirm that the work you did / will do for LibreOffice ... This work is licensed under three licenses, to be used alternatively or in combination depending on the user's needs: * Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 3.0 Unported (CC-by-sa) * GNU Lesser General Public License version 3 or any later version (LGPL 3+) * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 (MPL 1.1), These are the proposed licenses in the wiki. We need that confirmation, so that the LibreOffice community can use and extend your work. Thanks in advance! Finally, Aleksandar, thanks a lot for your great contributions so far. I really hope you're enjoying your time with us ... the stuff on your user page is impressive :-) Cheers, Christoph (who thinks we soon can address the branding refinement) 2011/9/24 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update page with new design. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Christoph Noack wrote: May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color (LibO Orange +1) help here? I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksandar! Am Sonntag, den 25.09.2011, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Aleksandar: Hi Christoph,all, I have just uploaded two new files with an exclamation mark as David proposed (Thanks to David). You're great, thanks! :-) Also thanks to David for having a look... I updated my wiki page with licence information,sorry about that. I hope that will be ok now, if I need to do anything else please feel free to tell me. Thank you - it just came to my mind, since we want to distribute the graphic, so its better to ask in advance if you agree :-) In the future, we all should take care that we selected the appropriate licenses when uploading material (otherwise it can get difficult to track that). As we discussed earlier (offlist), I'll forward your banners to the marketing team for further feedback. Also, I want to say Thank you all. Community is great, I really enjoy to be part of it and I think LibreOffice is great project. Thanks - I feel the same way. In any case, please feel free to raise any question or comment with regard to the LibO community or the Design Team ... we all do learn step by step. Cheers, Christoph 2011/9/25 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Aleksandar, Cake4? Seems a very productive bakery :-) Am Samstag, den 24.09.2011, 22:47 +0200 schrieb Aleksandar: I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary Hope you like it. Cheers, Aleksandar Hey, thank you! And good to know that Italo also replied and provided us with some feedback and the go. So, is this the final version? Or are you planning to add an exclamation mark as David proposed? (Here, I'm clueless, since English is not my native language. But David is heavily involved in LibO documentation and text style.) Another question that needs to be clarified - the license. I had a look at the license information of the pictures, but didn't find any. Can you please confirm that the work you did / will do for LibreOffice ... This work is licensed under three licenses, to be used alternatively or in combination depending on the user's needs: * Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 3.0 Unported (CC-by-sa) * GNU Lesser General Public License version 3 or any later version (LGPL 3+) * Mozilla Public License version 1.1 (MPL 1.1), These are the proposed licenses in the wiki. We need that confirmation, so that the LibreOffice community can use and extend your work. Thanks in advance! Finally, Aleksandar, thanks a lot for your great contributions so far. I really hope you're enjoying your time with us ... the stuff on your user page is impressive :-) Cheers, Christoph (who thinks we soon can address the branding refinement) 2011/9/24 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update page with new design. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Christoph Noack wrote: May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color (LibO Orange +1) help here? I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Christoph Noack wrote: May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color (LibO Orange +1) help here? I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update page with new design. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Christoph Noack wrote: May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color (LibO Orange +1) help here? I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary Hope you like it. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/24 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update page with new design. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Christoph Noack wrote: May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color (LibO Orange +1) help here? I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksandar On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary Hope you like it. Cheers, Aleksandar If it was me, I'd add an exclamation mark: Thank you for a great year! Very nice graphics. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thank you all, You gave great feedback,all of you. I read all comments and emails and will update my wiki page with new designs based on your feedback. Once again, thanks for your support Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Þann mið 21.sep 2011 21:52, skrifaði Aleksandar Dev: As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Thanks, Aleksandar My opinion is that Spring 3 is very good, Spring 2 also but may benefit from a slight gradient inside the logo. The form factor of the other propositions is surely useful, Mercury 2 and 3 seem to fit with the design guidelines and could work. Personally I don't think The Winter and Autumn series are ready. Maybe we could develop a similar series of banners/ads for individual LO-components; I'd think we should be in touch with marketing for the slogans (same for all or each it's own ?). Best regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Some changes I made based on your feedback: -new banner: Spring Season 3 with better Logo version as suggested -I changed letter i to I (my idea was to create something that suggest : I love freedom like : I heart_image freedom),you are right about that i Autumn season, I think displaying apps icons can be a good idea, but the arrangement don't feel enough natural. -I tried to suggest L like Libre with that icons arrangement, new versions (Autumn Season 3 and 4) are available for review why did you not call Mercury summer? Summer series is coming ;) I'd think we should be in touch with marketing for the slogans (same for all or each it's own ? - I use resources I found on wiki ,for slogan ideas I use : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan -for fonts,logos and colors I use: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding but that is great idea if someone in marketing can help with ideas or slogans (I was not sure who I should contact for this) I tried to keep this reply as short as it can be so I didn't quote every message but I have all of them in mind while witting this and while working on design Thanks everyone, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Em 22-09-2011 06:05, Aleksandar Dev escreveu: Some changes I made based on your feedback: -new banner: Spring Season 3 with better Logo version as suggested -I changed letter i to I (my idea was to create something that suggest : I love freedom like : I heart_image freedom),you are right about that i A heart inside the box? -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
I love Autumn 3 end Autumn 4, but I think you should let a litle space between apps icons and Download Now button. If it's chosen, we will have to translate it manually for use in other languages. I loved Spring season, I prefer spring season 3 ! The gradient idea was great ! Kévin 2011/9/21 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Thanks, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thanks Olivier, I updated Winter Season with 2 designs with that idea: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Banners_:_Spread_the_word 2011/9/22 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Em 22-09-2011 06:05, Aleksandar Dev escreveu: Some changes I made based on your feedback: -new banner: Spring Season 3 with better Logo version as suggested -I changed letter i to I (my idea was to create something that suggest : I love freedom like : I heart_image freedom),you are right about that i A heart inside the box? -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thank you very much Ivan, I will make changes you wrote. You are right about that icons. I will arrange them like you said and work on other details ;) I am glad to be part of the team, Aleksandar 2011/9/22 Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz Hi Alexandar, all, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Great work, and welcome to the design team! I agree with others that Spring 3 is the most attractive proposal. I would suggest a subtle drop shadow on the Download Now text. For winter, I would suggest using the stylised LibreOffice logo (lighter outline with inner shadow effect, just like you have in the logo at the bottom-left) and having the text match the green in Winter 2 (i.e., it should be lighter) For the autumn series, I would suggest overlaying the top of each icon over the bottom of the other icons in the vertical segment of your 'L' shape; this would make it more consistent with the horizontal segment. For Mercury, I would use the version with the grey background, but with white text rather than green. I do like the green version too - it's just that the logo seems to lack depth; maybe we should work on a white version of the logo that has a similar inner shadow effect? Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
You are right, I will work on that space. And yes, gradient idea made everything looks much better. Thanks for feedback 2011/9/22 Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr I love Autumn 3 end Autumn 4, but I think you should let a litle space between apps icons and Download Now button. If it's chosen, we will have to translate it manually for use in other languages. I loved Spring season, I prefer spring season 3 ! The gradient idea was great ! Kévin 2011/9/21 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Thanks, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksandar, Am 21.09.2011 23:52, schrieb Aleksandar Dev: As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. I like Spring Season 3 and Autumn Season 3 Some things to Autumn: Autumn Season 1 and 2: I won't put the Math icon on the top. Our top modules are Writer and Calc. So eventually put Writer, Calc and Impress on the line and Draw, Math and Base on the height. Autumn 3 (and 4): The text is hardly readable for me because of the motif in the back. I won't put the two grey icons math and normal side by side. Maybe test the following order: Base, Math, Draw, Normal, Writer, Calc, Impress or so. As you see through the reactions on this ml: great job. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksandar, Really nice graphics! :-) I see you posted .png files. Did you have the originals in .svg form? Or maybe .xcf or .psd form? It would be great to have those source files so that we could maybe make small edits to the wording, and so that people can produce translated versions in other languages... Any chance of this? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Yes, we will need them... But only once we have the final version ;) 2011/9/22 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi Aleksandar, Really nice graphics! :-) I see you posted .png files. Did you have the originals in .svg form? Or maybe .xcf or .psd form? It would be great to have those source files so that we could maybe make small edits to the wording, and so that people can produce translated versions in other languages... Any chance of this? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Thanks. Of course, it won't be problem for me to upload psd files so you can edit and use them. 2011/9/22 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi Aleksandar, Really nice graphics! :-) I see you posted .png files. Did you have the originals in .svg form? Or maybe .xcf or .psd form? It would be great to have those source files so that we could maybe make small edits to the wording, and so that people can produce translated versions in other languages... Any chance of this? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Wow! Great job! Spring Season 3 seems to be the most professionally done out of the Springs. I'm a big fan of the white/white with slight gradient background banners for LibreOffice. It makes the whole look appear cleaner. Sometimes less is more... Winter Season 1b seems to be the most professionally done out of the Winters. With this season, it really needs the heart; it makes the banner make a lot more sense to non-LibreOffice people. As stated before, the white background seems cleaner and more professional than the green. Autumn Season 2 and 3 seem to be the most professionally done out of the Autumns. Between the two, Autumn Season 3 seems more natural. My only critique is that perhaps the Math icon should be separated from the LibreOffice icon since they have the same color in Autumn Season 3. If the arrangement was similar to the Summer season ordering, then it should be fine. Summer Season 1 and 3 seems to be the most professionally done out of the Summers. Between the two, Summer Season 1 seems to align with the brand better. Summer Season 3 would be nice for high contrast situations (i.e. visual impaired individuals). My only critique is that Summer Season 8 should not have the cut-off edge. IMHO, the trimmed corner should be reserved for the paper icons; otherwise, we risk over-using it and making the motif a secondary look. In summary... You are awesome ^_^ Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Ivan, Aleksandar, all! Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 21:46 +1200 schrieb Ivan M.: Hi Alexandar, all, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote: I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See [...] Great work, and welcome to the design team! I agree with others that Spring 3 is the most attractive proposal. Yep, I do agree ... I think Spring 3 (looking at the Spring proposals) works best concerning our overall branding and has some nifty details. Although I (again) have to say that's a pleasure to look at all this work. How to continue with that? Present that to the marketing team ... wait a bit ... and derive the real banners? One thing I'm currently unsure about is whether we can say Windows or Macintosh without mentioning that these are registered / trademarks. I would suggest a subtle drop shadow on the Download Now text. For winter, I would suggest using the stylised LibreOffice logo (lighter outline with inner shadow effect, just like you have in the logo at the bottom-left) and having the text match the green in Winter 2 (i.e., it should be lighter) Concerning Winter Season - that reminds me of the very first LibreOffice download button I've made over a year ago. Does anybody remember that? It had a download arrow within the document logo that switched to a bright red heart :-) Unfortunately, people asked to use something more neutral ... but here it fits very well. Since we are at it ... I have been asked by Italo (Aleksandar: he is one of the TDF media contacts) whether we could provide a web banner for our first anniversary. It is just a few days from now ... Here is what he wrote: I would like to offer a banner to online media willing to help TDF. Something very simple, with TDF/LibreOffice, and a cake with one small candle. Is there any chance that you could come up with something like that? I don't want to mis-use any of you, but I think that's a great chance to get some more visibility for LibO and our team. I don't know what size fits best - Aleksander, Ivan, all - what's common for that? Some time ago, I collected some sizes on the donation challenge wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Christoph, all, On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: I don't know what size fits best - Aleksander, Ivan, all - what's common for that? Some time ago, I collected some sizes on the donation challenge wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge For our website, I'd suggest 440x64 (the size of our current banners), but the sizes of the banners that Aleksandar has created on his wiki page are as good a size as any. I'd just suggest making them media friendly by making them look as little like ads as possible (e.g., by avoiding borders or overly strong colors other than green perhaps?). The media know how to resize images so we should just put a small selection on offer (preferably as SVG) and let them choose whichever one suits their formatting. Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Hi Aleksander, all! Wow, thanks for your mail ... don't know where to start. First, your designs look very professional, clean and LibreOffice like. Thats amazing for the first (and most presumably last) iteration :-) I assume that we need to check whether people also need smaller web banners, since many request came from people wanting to show their support. Like those Dowload Firefox buttons ... but here I am not an expert. Anybody with some experience? Next, using your personal wiki page an asking for feedback ... great working style. I already feel a bit sorry being unavailable today (full day workshop, plus evening event) ...hear you soon. Cheers, Christoph -- Sent via mobile... Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com schrieb: As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Thanks, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
