Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Yes. This seems right to me. The LTS release was introduced for exactly the purpose of giving organizations with production deployments a predictable and stable path for upgrades. There has to be a reasonably sized window for adoption of the new LTS release before the previous one can be abandoned. I think what Rene posted is a good guide. If we have other documentation which specifies specific dates (which may be outdated), we may want to go through and update to inspire more confidence in the LTS versions and the expected upgrade path/window. Cheers, Will On Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 11:37 AM Rene Moser wrote: > > > On 3/14/19 10:48 AM, Giles Sirett wrote: > > Hi Haijiao > > > > I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will > supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch > > btw... > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS: > > "LTS releases starting with the first major release will be supported > for a minimum of 6 months after next LTS release or a total period of 24 > months, whichever is greater" > > --> next LTS Q2 2019 + 6 months = 4.11 LTS ends Q4 2019 > > Just my 2 cents > > René >
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
On 3/14/19 10:48 AM, Giles Sirett wrote: > Hi Haijiao > > I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede > the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch btw... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS: "LTS releases starting with the first major release will be supported for a minimum of 6 months after next LTS release or a total period of 24 months, whichever is greater" --> next LTS Q2 2019 + 6 months = 4.11 LTS ends Q4 2019 Just my 2 cents René
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
That is written from the point of view of a developer. From someone who has no desire to ever see the code, let alone change it, EOL has a big impact. In a normal project, in the period prior to EOL, the developers commit to fixing bugs and issuing security notices with resolutions. Cloudstack will have a hard time gaining traction outside the companies that develop it, if EOL has no meaning. I worry that the lack of control over the roadmap and the apparent lack of commitment to EOL means that, as good as Cloudstack may be, it is not a system for production use unless the user is prepared to take on the long-term maintenance at a moments notice and live with uncertainty about future viability. A bit harsh but the conversation about EOL is disturbing. Ron On 3/15/19 11:04 AM, Giles Sirett wrote: Yes - I see your point I think the thing to bear in mind here is that there is no *formal* EOL for an ACS version or branch - its open source - EOL effectively means that people have lost the interest in maintaining that branch. If people see a demand for more releases on a branch in order to maintain that branch longer- then I'd think it unlikely that anybody here is going to say "no" maybe the wording in the wiki is misleading Kind regards Giles giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Jean-Francois Nadeau Sent: 15 March 2019 12:49 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) Subject: Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ? I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span. Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with it's adoption. For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span was only 6 months from our perspective. -jfn On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander wrote: On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote: Hi Giles, I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch Are you confident that this schedule can be kept? 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to rush another major release in just 3 months... 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper release. 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we don't keep the window open for too long. The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time, features going in and people not testing it sufficiently. By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS. Wido
RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Yes - I see your point I think the thing to bear in mind here is that there is no *formal* EOL for an ACS version or branch - its open source - EOL effectively means that people have lost the interest in maintaining that branch. If people see a demand for more releases on a branch in order to maintain that branch longer- then I'd think it unlikely that anybody here is going to say "no" maybe the wording in the wiki is misleading Kind regards Giles giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Jean-Francois Nadeau Sent: 15 March 2019 12:49 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) Subject: Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ? I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span. Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with it's adoption. For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span was only 6 months from our perspective. -jfn On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander wrote: > > > On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote: > > Hi Giles, > > > >> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will > >> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch > > > > Are you confident that this schedule can be kept? > > 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to > > rush another major release in just 3 months... > > > 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper > release. > > 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm > confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we > don't keep the window open for too long. > > The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time, > features going in and people not testing it sufficiently. > > By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch > most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS. > > Wido >
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
I can only agree with Haijiao, that 4.11 deserves a longer time span. Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with it's adoption. For us 4.11 could only be adopted with 4.11.2.0 after several bugs needed to get resolved. So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span was only 6 months from our perspective. -jfn On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander wrote: > > > On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote: > > Hi Giles, > > > >> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will > >> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch > > > > Are you confident that this schedule can be kept? > > 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to > > rush another major release in just 3 months... > > > 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper > release. > > 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm > confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we > don't keep the window open for too long. > > The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time, > features going in and people not testing it sufficiently. > > By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch > most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS. > > Wido >
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote: > Hi Giles, > >> I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will >> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch > > Are you confident that this schedule can be kept? > 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to > rush another major release in just 3 months... > 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper release. 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we don't keep the window open for too long. The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time, features going in and people not testing it sufficiently. By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS. Wido
Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Hi Giles, > I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will > supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch Are you confident that this schedule can be kept? 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to rush another major release in just 3 months...
Re:RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Thanks Giles ! As user, would be nice to see if we can have another release of 4.11 (say 4.11.3 ?) to include recently merged critical fixes, e.g. usage service issue in a couple of weeks. Most of 4.11 users may not upgrade their environment to 4.13 once it's released, which means we will stay on 4.11.x for another 3-6 months at least. Another 4.11 LTS release will give users more confidence and prove the value of LTS. Just my 2 cents. 在2019年03月14 17时48分, "Giles Sirett"写道: Hi Haijiao I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch Kind regards Giles giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Haijiao <18602198...@163.com> Sent: 14 March 2019 06:16 To: dev ; users Subject: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ? HI, Community According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year. Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2 Thanks ！
RE: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Hi Haijiao I would *expect* 4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which will supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch Kind regards Giles giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Haijiao <18602198...@163.com> Sent: 14 March 2019 06:16 To: dev ; users Subject: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ? HI, Community According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year. Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2 Thanks ！
Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
HI, Community According to the LTS roadmap https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS , current 4.11.x is supposed to reach EOL on Jul.1 this year. Seems the next candidate of LTS is not available yet ( 4.13 ?) , do we have plan to extend the life of 4.11.x and at least promote another maintenance release with estimated date ?, e.g. 4.11.3 in Q2 Thanks ！
