Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
I'm neither a commiter nor a Confluence/Wiki expert but I'm available to help. I have written some crazy perl scripts in my time (could help with content xfer) and have a decent amount of experience with web sysadmin type stuff (could help with setup maintenance). Best wishes, Paul On 1/21/06, Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, the xfr from Moin to Confluence is minor.The bigger problem is convincing ASF Infra to let us run Confluence and allow us to setup the right env for that (rdbms + smtp server)--jason
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
On Jan 21, 2006, at 1:02 AM, Jason Dillon wrote: I have no problem stepping up to setup and maintain Confluence. I currently maintain 2 of them already, supporting several hundred users. I'm already a comitter and have worked with infra before. I'm more than happy to work with infra to make this work. Anyways IMO the admin of this is not major... The initial hurdle required to get it up and running is. I'm not familiar with Apache infra or Confluence, but seems like a good time to learn. I'm willing to help/do whatever it takes... --kevan
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
2006/1/21, Andrus Adamchik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For now I am just lurking on the geronimo list (my primary interest is Cayenne persistence framework, which happens to be container- independent). Hi Andrus, Do you see any place for Cayenne in Geronimo? Please speak up rather than lurking ;) Anyways, I am willing to volunteer to get it going at Apache, still I am not a committer on any of the projects (AFAIK this *is* a requirement). I've been running Confluence for some time for the ObjectStyle community: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/ Excellent! We discussed it a while ago and people who write documentation or send minor patches are as important as those who can write a brand new container. You can contribute to a project one way or another. If it ends up that we decide to use Confluence it would be a good way to become a Geronimo committer. Of course, it would be so easy to get in by saying I'd be willing to contribute to Geronimo doing Confluence administration, but the point is just that - you don't have to be an excellent programmer at all and still be able to become a Geronimo committer. Andrus Adamchik -- Jacek Laskowski http://www.laskowski.org.pl
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
Hi Jacek, I like to entertain the thought that I am an ok programmer ;-) And I was hesitant whether to send my initial message, as I knew it would appear like I am looking for a shortcut to become a Geronimo committer. All I can say to that, is that with the amount of time I spend on Cayenne, I don't see how I can make meaningful contributions to Geronimo code at the moment. On the other hand helping with Confluence is a task I know I can do without too much distraction from my current work, so I figured I'd offer help. Regarding my interest in Geronimo project, of course it is related to Cayenne. I wasn't ready to talk about it yet, but since it got out... Geronimo seems like a natural first choice in our effort to closer integrate Cayenne in a J2EE stack. In particular implementing EJB3 Persistence API: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/2006/01/10/ I understand that wider EJB3 work will be targeting Geronimo 2.0, and will be done during the next 12 or so months? Are there specific plans for the persistence part of the spec? Cayenne EJB3 work is planned for approximately the same period of time. Still as we are busy finishing current 1.2 release, no final decision has been made regarding EJB3-persistence in Cayenne 2.0 (although it seems very likely to be positive). Once we start the actual work on that, I'd love to work closer with Geronimo community (and of course anyone from Geronimo is welcomed to join cayenne-devel to collaborate on that). So please take the Confluence offer a gesture of good will. Becoming a sysadmin at Apache is really not my ultimate aspiration :-) Andrus On Jan 21, 2006, at 4:33 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote: 2006/1/21, Andrus Adamchik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For now I am just lurking on the geronimo list (my primary interest is Cayenne persistence framework, which happens to be container- independent). Hi Andrus, Do you see any place for Cayenne in Geronimo? Please speak up rather than lurking ;) Anyways, I am willing to volunteer to get it going at Apache, still I am not a committer on any of the projects (AFAIK this *is* a requirement). I've been running Confluence for some time for the ObjectStyle community: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/ Excellent! We discussed it a while ago and people who write documentation or send minor patches are as important as those who can write a brand new container. You can contribute to a project one way or another. If it ends up that we decide to use Confluence it would be a good way to become a Geronimo committer. Of course, it would be so easy to get in by saying I'd be willing to contribute to Geronimo doing Confluence administration, but the point is just that - you don't have to be an excellent programmer at all and still be able to become a Geronimo committer. Andrus Adamchik -- Jacek Laskowski http://www.laskowski.org.pl
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
I am certainly IN. I want to help getting confluence up and running in the ASF. I also would like to help in the overall web site reorg. I think these two changes are equally important and should happend and the same time. Release of the new web site should go along with the new wiki. Cheers! Hernan Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
I am in for helping Hernan and anybody else in organizing the wiki and providing content. Regards, Rajith. On 1/21/06, Hernan Cunico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am certainly IN. I want to help getting confluence up and running in the ASF. I also would like tohelp in the overall web site reorg. I think these two changes are equally important and should happend and the same time. Release of the new web site should go along with the new wiki.Cheers!HernanRodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware.That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here.Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer.I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweininihttp://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionisthttp://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
I have no problem stepping up to setup and maintain Confluence. I currently maintain 2 of them already, supporting several hundred users. I'm already a comitter and have worked with infra before. I'm more than happy to work with infra to make this work. Anyways IMO the admin of this is not major... The initial hurdle required to get it up and running is. --jason -Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:44:55 To:dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
Agreed, the xfr from Moin to Confluence is minor. The bigger problem is convincing ASF Infra to let us run Confluence and allow us to setup the right env for that (rdbms + smtp server) --jason -Original Message- From: Andrus Adamchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:58:53 To:dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...) And a thought regarding the content transfer. This can be done semi-automatically. Using 'wget' I was able to pull the entire *raw* contents of the current geronimo Wiki on my hard drive. With a simple Perl script formatting can be converted to Confluence style (formatting styles are very close), and then manually loaded to Confluence. Should not be such a big deal. Andrus On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Hi, For now I am just lurking on the geronimo list (my primary interest is Cayenne persistence framework, which happens to be container- independent). Anyways, I am willing to volunteer to get it going at Apache, still I am not a committer on any of the projects (AFAIK this *is* a requirement). I've been running Confluence for some time for the ObjectStyle community: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/ So I have experience setting it up, configuring permissions, doing backups, etc. Good news are that (a) you can delegate user management to Jira, (b) there is almost zero day-to-day maintenance needed and (c) upgrades go smoothly (unlike Jira). As an aside, it concerns me somewhat that Apache infrastructure uses MySQL (and there are no alternatives like PostgreSQL, etc.). This may add to the maintenance burden. In any event I'll be glad to help with that, though not sure how at this point. Andrus Adamchik On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
Hi, For now I am just lurking on the geronimo list (my primary interest is Cayenne persistence framework, which happens to be container- independent). Anyways, I am willing to volunteer to get it going at Apache, still I am not a committer on any of the projects (AFAIK this *is* a requirement). I've been running Confluence for some time for the ObjectStyle community: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/ So I have experience setting it up, configuring permissions, doing backups, etc. Good news are that (a) you can delegate user management to Jira, (b) there is almost zero day-to-day maintenance needed and (c) upgrades go smoothly (unlike Jira). As an aside, it concerns me somewhat that Apache infrastructure uses MySQL (and there are no alternatives like PostgreSQL, etc.). This may add to the maintenance burden. In any event I'll be glad to help with that, though not sure how at this point. Andrus Adamchik On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Docco system (Confluent, MoinMoin, ...)
And a thought regarding the content transfer. This can be done semi-automatically. Using 'wget' I was able to pull the entire *raw* contents of the current geronimo Wiki on my hard drive. With a simple Perl script formatting can be converted to Confluence style (formatting styles are very close), and then manually loaded to Confluence. Should not be such a big deal. Andrus On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Hi, For now I am just lurking on the geronimo list (my primary interest is Cayenne persistence framework, which happens to be container- independent). Anyways, I am willing to volunteer to get it going at Apache, still I am not a committer on any of the projects (AFAIK this *is* a requirement). I've been running Confluence for some time for the ObjectStyle community: http://objectstyle.org/confluence/ So I have experience setting it up, configuring permissions, doing backups, etc. Good news are that (a) you can delegate user management to Jira, (b) there is almost zero day-to-day maintenance needed and (c) upgrades go smoothly (unlike Jira). As an aside, it concerns me somewhat that Apache infrastructure uses MySQL (and there are no alternatives like PostgreSQL, etc.). This may add to the maintenance burden. In any event I'll be glad to help with that, though not sure how at this point. Andrus Adamchik On Jan 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just some food for thought on the 'which docco system' discussion/vote/etc.. Whatever system gets chosen will need to be running on Apache hardware. That's not an issue for MoinMoin, since it's already there and the infra people are familiar with it. However, if Confluence is the option the project decides to adopt, more is involved than just saying so: some people from the project are going to have to join the infrastructure team and become the Confluence experts and maintainers. If Confluence is selected but no-one will step up to provide the necessary expertise and commitment to make it happen, then Geronimo won't be using Confluence. The all-volunteer infrastructure team is already overloaded; adding yet another application for it to support without adding resources to help in the supporting just isn't going to fly. So, distinct from the voting, if you'd be willing to be one of the supporters of the Confluence environment at the ASF, please speak up here. Or if you have any other comments about the Confluence/MoinMoin/whatever topic. :-) The infrastructure team may require that anyone joining to support Confluence (if it comes to that) may need to be a project committer. I'm not sure; I'm checking. But if you're not a committer [yet] but are willing to help out with Confluence, don't let that stop you from volunteering! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ9Fn55rNPMCpn3XdAQLLrAQA0LCKsMsAMa/GQNmbH0ntpYbp2W9Wic26 4ZawAu6Z+L3reo9tNQPuhD6CG/6NOYc9prM7ybqCM9pKYPTZTEJ5oybMJnIIy7Gt 2yLVL259aRrEFPKWkwoS5MBkmxXt5LvzkPN2YnKtBdP7jDWPeonxQHzZP1EHd4RW d7JblzKcw3A= =++zP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
