Re: svn commit: r916377 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: CHANGES docs/manual/programs/rotatelogs.xml support/rotatelogs.c

2011-06-20 Thread Joe Orton
Dredging up an change from last year:

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 06:00:43PM -, poir...@apache.org wrote:
 Author: poirier
 Date: Thu Feb 25 18:00:42 2010
 New Revision: 916377
 
 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=916377view=rev
 Log:
 Add -L option to create a hard link to the current log file.  
...
 @@ -351,6 +354,20 @@
  status-pfile_prev = NULL;
  }
  status-nMessCount = 0;
 +if (config-linkfile) {
 +apr_file_remove(config-linkfile, status-pfile);
 +if (config-verbose) {
 +fprintf(stderr,Linking %s to %s\n, status-filename, 
 config-linkfile);
 +}
 +rv = apr_file_link(status-filename, config-linkfile);

This snippet gets invoked even in the case where opening a new log file 
fails, and the old one is truncated and re-used; it will then fail and 
break the link, I think.  -L is kind of redundant with the more general 
-p mode just added - is it worth keeping?

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1137590

Regards, Joe


RE: svn commit: r916377 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: CHANGES docs/manual/programs/rotatelogs.xml support/rotatelogs.c

2011-06-20 Thread Plüm, Rüdiger, VF-Group
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Orton 
 Sent: Montag, 20. Juni 2011 12:44
 To: dev@httpd.apache.org
 Subject: Re: svn commit: r916377 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: 
 CHANGES docs/manual/programs/rotatelogs.xml support/rotatelogs.c
 
 Dredging up an change from last year:
 
 On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 06:00:43PM -, poir...@apache.org wrote:
  Author: poirier
  Date: Thu Feb 25 18:00:42 2010
  New Revision: 916377
  
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=916377view=rev
  Log:
  Add -L option to create a hard link to the current log file.  
 ...
  @@ -351,6 +354,20 @@
   status-pfile_prev = NULL;
   }
   status-nMessCount = 0;
  +if (config-linkfile) {
  +apr_file_remove(config-linkfile, status-pfile);
  +if (config-verbose) {
  +fprintf(stderr,Linking %s to %s\n, 
 status-filename, config-linkfile);
  +}
  +rv = apr_file_link(status-filename, config-linkfile);
 
 This snippet gets invoked even in the case where opening a 
 new log file 
 fails, and the old one is truncated and re-used; it will then 
 fail and 
 break the link, I think.  -L is kind of redundant with the 

Why? Because status-filename is not pointing to the old filename?

 more general 
 -p mode just added - is it worth keeping?

I think it is worth keeping for those people that only need the link.
Creating a post rotation script that does this seems to be a little
bit of overkill in this case.

Regards

Rüdiger


Dead assignment detected from commit 1137358

2011-06-20 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi,

We are using Sentry (a C/C++ static analysis tool) to analyze
httpd on a nightly basis. Sentry found that a dead assignment
was recently introduced in the commit r1137358.

This was in event.c:process_socket. The variable pt
was previously used lower in the function, but after the patch
above was applied it is now only used in a local if scope.

This is basically a code clean up patch.

Thanks,
Chris

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Index: server/mpm/event/event.c
===
--- server/mpm/event/event.c	(revision 1137629)
+++ server/mpm/event/event.c	(working copy)
@@ -787,7 +787,6 @@
   int my_thread_num)
 {
 conn_rec *c;
-listener_poll_type *pt;
 long conn_id = ID_FROM_CHILD_THREAD(my_child_num, my_thread_num);
 int rc;
 ap_sb_handle_t *sbh;
@@ -795,6 +794,7 @@
 ap_create_sb_handle(sbh, p, my_child_num, my_thread_num);
 
 if (cs == NULL) {   /* This is a new connection */
+listener_poll_type *pt;
 
 cs = apr_pcalloc(p, sizeof(conn_state_t));
 
@@ -845,7 +845,6 @@
 else {
 c = cs-c;
 c-sbh = sbh;
-pt = cs-pfd.client_data;
 c-current_thread = thd;
 }
 


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Greg Ames
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote:


 Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients should be
 renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the number of worker threads,
 not the number of clients. As with the MaxRequestsPerChild -
 MaxConnectionsPerChild rename, we would still accept the old name with
 a warning. Thoughts?


+1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you loose the
1:1 thread:connection ratio.

Greg


Re: svn commit: r916377 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: CHANGES docs/manual/programs/rotatelogs.xml support/rotatelogs.c

2011-06-20 Thread Graham Leggett

On 20 Jun 2011, at 12:58 PM, Plüm, Rüdiger, VF-Group wrote:


more general
-p mode just added - is it worth keeping?


I think it is worth keeping for those people that only need the link.
Creating a post rotation script that does this seems to be a little
bit of overkill in this case.


+1.

Regards,
Graham
--



Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
 
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de 
 mailto:s...@sfritsch.de
 wrote:
 
 Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients should be
 renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the number of worker threads,
 not the number of clients. As with the MaxRequestsPerChild -
 MaxConnectionsPerChild rename, we would still accept the old name with
 a warning. Thoughts?
 
 +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you loose the 1:1
 thread:connection ratio.

Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different sorts of workers
living in the same process?


Re: Time for httpd 2.3.13...? And 2.4.0??

2011-06-20 Thread Jim Jagielski

On Jun 19, 2011, at 1:55 AM, Rainer Jung wrote:

 On 18.06.2011 14:44, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Friday 17 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/17/2011 6:39 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
 Are we ready for the next beta release???
 
 And Maybe Even The Next Release being GA??
 
 2.3.13 soon, I'll fix the mod_ldap load ordering quirk on Sunday
 and just do a bit more validation with apr trunk.
 
 I am currently working on limiting the parallel connections per 
 process on MPM event (see STATUS). I would really like to have this in 
 2.3.13, but I hope I will be able to finish it until tomorrow.
 
 The Next Release?  I'm not seeing enough activity on users@ and not
 even seeing current ASF infra updated enough to justify that ;-)
 But if 2.2.13 proves rock solid, maybe the subsequent release?
 
 +1 to 2.3.13 as beta. Then hopefully the next release can be GA.
 
 Agreed.
 

Cool...



Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Funk
Hello,

The module that I am writing has an external configuration file that it
parses and loads into configuration when the server loads. Before every
request it checks to see if the configuration file has been updated and if
it has it reloads the configuration. The configuration should be shared over
the entire server. The problem I am running into is that after the
configuration file is updated the new configuration gets reloaded and stored
in memory but after a little while, the configuration reverts back to it's
previous version. I assume that this is because a new process was spawned to
handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
though the pointer address didn't change...)

My question is this: What mechanism should I be using in order to
store persistent, mutable, configuration data that is shared between every
child process?


Jason


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Monday 20 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
  On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de
  mailto:s...@sfritsch.de
  
  wrote:
  Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients should
  be renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the number of
  worker threads, not the number of clients. As with the
  MaxRequestsPerChild - MaxConnectionsPerChild rename, we
  would still accept the old name with a warning. Thoughts?
  
  +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you
  loose the 1:1 thread:connection ratio.
 
 Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different
 sorts of workers living in the same process?

Good point. Committed as r1137744


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Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Mike Meyer
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:39:48 -0500
Jason Funk jasonlf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 The module that I am writing has an external configuration file that it
 parses and loads into configuration when the server loads. Before every
 request it checks to see if the configuration file has been updated and if
 it has it reloads the configuration. The configuration should be shared over
 the entire server. The problem I am running into is that after the
 configuration file is updated the new configuration gets reloaded and stored
 in memory but after a little while, the configuration reverts back to it's
 previous version. I assume that this is because a new process was spawned to
 handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
 though the pointer address didn't change...)
 
 My question is this: What mechanism should I be using in order to
 store persistent, mutable, configuration data that is shared between every
 child process?

Put the configuration data into shared memory. Create and load the
shared memory in the post config hook. Map the shared memory and
potentially reload it during the child init hook. You'll need to use
appropriate locking if you decide to reload it. Details on the locking
will depend on the data structure details.

mike
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Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Neil McKee
In the mod-sflow implementation I have one thread responsible for reading in 
new configuration as it changes and writing it to a shared-memory area where 
the worker-processes/threads can pick it up whenever it changes.   I don't know 
if that is the best way or not,  but it's one data point for you.   Source code 
is here:

http://mod-sflow.googlecode.com

Neil


On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Jason Funk wrote:

 Hello,
 
 The module that I am writing has an external configuration file that it
 parses and loads into configuration when the server loads. Before every
 request it checks to see if the configuration file has been updated and if
 it has it reloads the configuration. The configuration should be shared over
 the entire server. The problem I am running into is that after the
 configuration file is updated the new configuration gets reloaded and stored
 in memory but after a little while, the configuration reverts back to it's
 previous version. I assume that this is because a new process was spawned to
 handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
 though the pointer address didn't change...)
 
 My question is this: What mechanism should I be using in order to
 store persistent, mutable, configuration data that is shared between every
 child process?
 
 
 Jason



Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Funk
I have moved my configuration over to shared memory (following
mod_shm_counter as an example) and it conceptually seems to be working. I am
storing a struct in the memory and members that share it's memory (such as
the last mod time of the configuration file) persist over multiple children.
However, when I am loading the configuration file I have to allocate
additional memory. This apparently doesn't get stored in the same shared
memory as it isn't sticking around. How do I dynamically allocate new memory
to the struct that lives in shared memory?

Jason

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Neil McKee neil.mc...@inmon.com wrote:

 In the mod-sflow implementation I have one thread responsible for reading
 in new configuration as it changes and writing it to a shared-memory area
 where the worker-processes/threads can pick it up whenever it changes.   I
 don't know if that is the best way or not,  but it's one data point for you.
   Source code is here:

 http://mod-sflow.googlecode.com

 Neil


 On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Jason Funk wrote:

  Hello,
 
  The module that I am writing has an external configuration file that it
  parses and loads into configuration when the server loads. Before every
  request it checks to see if the configuration file has been updated and
 if
  it has it reloads the configuration. The configuration should be shared
 over
  the entire server. The problem I am running into is that after the
  configuration file is updated the new configuration gets reloaded and
 stored
  in memory but after a little while, the configuration reverts back to
 it's
  previous version. I assume that this is because a new process was spawned
 to
  handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
  though the pointer address didn't change...)
 
  My question is this: What mechanism should I be using in order to
  store persistent, mutable, configuration data that is shared between
 every
  child process?
 
 
  Jason




Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Ben Noordhuis
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 22:46, Jason Funk jasonlf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have moved my configuration over to shared memory (following
 mod_shm_counter as an example) and it conceptually seems to be working. I am
 storing a struct in the memory and members that share it's memory (such as
 the last mod time of the configuration file) persist over multiple children.
 However, when I am loading the configuration file I have to allocate
 additional memory. This apparently doesn't get stored in the same shared
 memory as it isn't sticking around. How do I dynamically allocate new memory
 to the struct that lives in shared memory?

You cannot (portably), you'll have to reserve the extra space when you
the allocate the shared memory.


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de
 mailto:s...@sfritsch.de
 
 wrote:
Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients should
be renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the number of
worker threads, not the number of clients. As with the
MaxRequestsPerChild - MaxConnectionsPerChild rename, we
would still accept the old name with a warning. Thoughts?
 
 +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you
 loose the 1:1 thread:connection ratio.
 
 Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different
 sorts of workers living in the same process?
 
 Good point. Committed as r1137744

That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying to
upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should make
MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released 2.2.x

Roy


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Monday 20 June 2011, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
  On Monday 20 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
  On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
  On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de
  mailto:s...@sfritsch.de
  
  wrote:
 Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients
 should be renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the
 number of worker threads, not the number of clients. As
 with the MaxRequestsPerChild - MaxConnectionsPerChild
 rename, we would still accept the old name with a warning.
 Thoughts?
  
  +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you
  loose the 1:1 thread:connection ratio.
  
  Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different
  sorts of workers living in the same process?
  
  Good point. Committed as r1137744
 
 That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying to
 upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should make
 MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released 2.2.x

I think you missed that MaxClients still works in 2.4 (albeit with a 
warning on startup). So I don't think it's such a big deal.


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/20/2011 4:36 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de
 mailto:s...@sfritsch.de

 wrote:
Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients
should be renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the
number of worker threads, not the number of clients. As
with the MaxRequestsPerChild - MaxConnectionsPerChild
rename, we would still accept the old name with a warning.
Thoughts?

 +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you
 loose the 1:1 thread:connection ratio.

 Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different
 sorts of workers living in the same process?

 Good point. Committed as r1137744

 That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying to
 upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should make
 MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released 2.2.x
 
 I think you missed that MaxClients still works in 2.4 (albeit with a 
 warning on startup). So I don't think it's such a big deal.

Perhaps we should lower the severity from warning to info?  Not every
admin needs constant reminders while they are running 2.2 and 2.4 from
a single config.


Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Sorin Manolache
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 22:46, Jason Funk jasonlf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have moved my configuration over to shared memory (following
 mod_shm_counter as an example) and it conceptually seems to be working. I am
 storing a struct in the memory and members that share it's memory (such as
 the last mod time of the configuration file) persist over multiple children.
 However, when I am loading the configuration file I have to allocate
 additional memory. This apparently doesn't get stored in the same shared
 memory as it isn't sticking around. How do I dynamically allocate new memory
 to the struct that lives in shared memory?

Try C++ and boost::interprocess::managed_shared_memory and
boost::interprocess::allocator.

Sorin


 Jason

 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Neil McKee neil.mc...@inmon.com wrote:

 In the mod-sflow implementation I have one thread responsible for reading
 in new configuration as it changes and writing it to a shared-memory area
 where the worker-processes/threads can pick it up whenever it changes.   I
 don't know if that is the best way or not,  but it's one data point for you.
   Source code is here:

 http://mod-sflow.googlecode.com

 Neil


 On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Jason Funk wrote:

  Hello,
 
  The module that I am writing has an external configuration file that it
  parses and loads into configuration when the server loads. Before every
  request it checks to see if the configuration file has been updated and
 if
  it has it reloads the configuration. The configuration should be shared
 over
  the entire server. The problem I am running into is that after the
  configuration file is updated the new configuration gets reloaded and
 stored
  in memory but after a little while, the configuration reverts back to
 it's
  previous version. I assume that this is because a new process was spawned
 to
  handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
  though the pointer address didn't change...)
 
  My question is this: What mechanism should I be using in order to
  store persistent, mutable, configuration data that is shared between
 every
  child process?
 
 
  Jason





Re: Module External Configuration

2011-06-20 Thread Nick Kew
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:10:12 -0400
Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote:


   I assume that this is because a new process was spawned to
  handle a new request and the updated memory didn't get carried over (even
  though the pointer address didn't change...)

A new process may be spawned from time to time (though not directly
to handle a new request unless you have a very non-standard MPM).
You could check config data in a child_init hook.

However, if you have this problem, it's probably not your only one.
The data reverting suggests that your module's config may be held
on the server/config pool.  If that's being updated (and if the
updates involve any allocation at all) it's a memory leak.  Your
module should create its own config pool at child_init.  Then it
can read its own config data immediately, and - crucially -
whenever it re-reads the data it can first clean that pool to
reclaim memory.

 Put the configuration data into shared memory. Create and load the
 shared memory in the post config hook. Map the shared memory and
 potentially reload it during the child init hook. You'll need to use
 appropriate locking if you decide to reload it. Details on the locking
 will depend on the data structure details.

If you use shared memory, note that 2.3/2.4 have much better support for
it than earlier versions, with mod_socache and mod_slotmem.

However, this may not be the best thing to do.  You need to weigh up the
cost of maintaining a per-process copy of the config data against that
of using shared memory.  Both are valid solutions.

Also, do you want the overhead of a stat() every request to see if
anything has changed, or could it work on a time basis, so it only
performs a stat() if a certain time has elapsed since the last time?

-- 
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Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
On 6/20/2011 4:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 4:36 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 
 That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying to
 upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should make
 MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released 2.2.x
 I think you missed that MaxClients still works in 2.4 (albeit with a 
 warning on startup). So I don't think it's such a big deal.
 Perhaps we should lower the severity from warning to info?  Not every
 admin needs constant reminders while they are running 2.2 and 2.4 from
 a single config.

+1... warning seems a bit dire for the circumstances.

-- 
--
Daniel Ruggeri


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Tuesday 21 June 2011, Daniel Ruggeri wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 4:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
  On 6/20/2011 4:36 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
  On Monday 20 June 2011, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
  On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
  
  
  That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying
  to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should
  make MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released
  2.2.x
  
  I think you missed that MaxClients still works in 2.4 (albeit
  with a warning on startup). So I don't think it's such a big
  deal.
  
  Perhaps we should lower the severity from warning to info?  Not
  every admin needs constant reminders while they are running 2.2
  and 2.4 from a single config.
 
 +1... warning seems a bit dire for the circumstances.

Sounds reasonable. r1137813


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 20, 2011, at 2:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 4:36 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
 On Monday 20 June 2011, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
 On 6/20/2011 9:07 AM, Greg Ames wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de
 mailto:s...@sfritsch.de
 
 wrote:
   Speaking about config options, I think that MaxClients
   should be renamed to MaxWorkers, because it limits the
   number of worker threads, not the number of clients. As
   with the MaxRequestsPerChild - MaxConnectionsPerChild
   rename, we would still accept the old name with a warning.
   Thoughts?
 
 +1.  That's more accurate for sure, and more important when you
 loose the 1:1 thread:connection ratio.
 
 Can we call this MaxRequestWorkers, now that we have different
 sorts of workers living in the same process?
 
 Good point. Committed as r1137744
 
 That kind of last-minute change is going to kill people trying to
 upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 with a shared config.  We should make
 MaxRequestWorkers an alias for MaxClients in a released 2.2.x
 
 I think you missed that MaxClients still works in 2.4 (albeit with a 
 warning on startup). So I don't think it's such a big deal.
 
 Perhaps we should lower the severity from warning to info?  Not every
 admin needs constant reminders while they are running 2.2 and 2.4 from
 a single config.

My point wasn't the warning, actually, but rather the fact that a config
that uses MaxRequestWorkers (instead of MaxClients) will abort an instance
of httpd 2.2.x.  Hence, a person upgrading to 2.4.x will get tripped up
if they try to do so incrementally with shared config files across
many web servers, unless they happen to notice that this change is
merely cosmetic and they keep MaxClients instead.

For a trivial improvement like this, we should make it easier on admins
by backporting the alias to 2.2.x (even if we do not use it on 2.2.x).

Roy



Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/20/2011 6:22 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 
 For a trivial improvement like this, we should make it easier on admins
 by backporting the alias to 2.2.x (even if we do not use it on 2.2.x).

+1


Re: MPM-Event, renaming MaxClients, etc.

2011-06-20 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
On 6/20/2011 6:22 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 My point wasn't the warning, actually, but rather the fact that a config
 that uses MaxRequestWorkers (instead of MaxClients) will abort an instance
 of httpd 2.2.x.  Hence, a person upgrading to 2.4.x will get tripped up
 if they try to do so incrementally with shared config files across
 many web servers, unless they happen to notice that this change is
 merely cosmetic and they keep MaxClients instead.

 For a trivial improvement like this, we should make it easier on admins
 by backporting the alias to 2.2.x (even if we do not use it on 2.2.x).

 Roy
+1  Sorry, I didn't catch that - good point.

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