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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[John D'Orazio]

By golly you are right, I didn't notice that mr. David Gerard has really
turned this into a personal crusade of his.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Larry Gusaas 
wrote:

> On 2015-09-15, 5:17 PM John D'Orazio wrote:
>
>> Well actually the case of the wikipedia article is different, because the
>> adjective that is used for the project whether "dormant" or "moribund" is
>> not in fact actually being referred to the Apache project  but to the
>> pre-Apache project.
>>
>
> No. It is Apache OpenOffice that is being called "moribund".
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice
>
> The Apache project is indicated as being a derivative
>> project, and has been given a separate page as such. T
>>
>
> No. The Apache OpenOffice page states:
> "Apache OpenOffice (AOO) is an open-source office productivity software
> suite. It is a successor project of OpenOffice.org "
>
> he issue there is
>> that one or two users (who happen to also be moderators) are very set on
>> considering the Apache project a different project, and not the
>> "successor"
>> of the Oracle project. So it's actually the Oracle project that is being
>> called dormant.
>>
>
> Wrong. Check the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice
>
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RE: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Time, gentlemen, time.

We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go 
night-night.

Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO 
business.  We have our own business to attend to.  If folks want to keep 
fussing about it, there are many better places to do that than here on dev@.

 - Dennis

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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 16 Sep 15, at 13:56, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
>  wrote:
>> Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
>> still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
>> discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the
>> "Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate
>> derivative project. All that is needed is to chime in on the article talk
>> page citing references to legal info about OpenOffice.org being officially
>> in the hands of the Apache Software Foundation. If there is evidence of
>> that (which seems obvious to me, I'm a newcomer but I go to the webpage and
>> I see Apache OpenOffice on the OpenOffice.org webpage), it just needs to be
>> cited on the talk page to back any kind of edits to the article that
>> reflect that. Seems that the article has already been split and "Apache
>> OpenOffice" has it's own wikipedia article (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice), I wouldn't make a big
>> deal about having a separate article but I would oppose the POV opinions
>> about Apache not having legal rights to the OpenOffice.org project (hence
>> the corrections to the infobox information).
>> I don't know all of the technicalities, so the edits I just made might not
>> be precise, for example which release was the first release to have the
>> Apache license?
>> 
> 
> Is this the same David Gerard discussed here?
> 
> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Gerard
> 

Oh, I hope so!

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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 16 Sep 15, at 15:38, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> Time, gentlemen, time.
> 
> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go 
> night-night.
> 
> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO 
> business.  We have our own business to attend to.  If folks want to keep 
> fussing about it, there are many better places to do that than here on dev@.
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> [ … ]


?? I don’t think this is a) a gentleman kind of thing, if only for gender 
reasons; b) I think I rather like Mr G. and hardly deem this to be an ad 
hominem event. If others are like me, once you read over Mr G’s bio, a *lot* 
gets forgiven. He’s a card, a character, a source of necessary comic inversion. 
No one is flaming anyone here and we are actually kind of having fun.

Louis

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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Max Merbald]

According to the links on that page it's him.



Am 16.09.2015 um 19:58 schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:

On 16 Sep 15, at 13:56, Rob Weir  wrote:

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
 wrote:

Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the
"Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate
derivative project. All that is needed is to chime in on the article talk
page citing references to legal info about OpenOffice.org being officially
in the hands of the Apache Software Foundation. If there is evidence of
that (which seems obvious to me, I'm a newcomer but I go to the webpage and
I see Apache OpenOffice on the OpenOffice.org webpage), it just needs to be
cited on the talk page to back any kind of edits to the article that
reflect that. Seems that the article has already been split and "Apache
OpenOffice" has it's own wikipedia article (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice), I wouldn't make a big
deal about having a separate article but I would oppose the POV opinions
about Apache not having legal rights to the OpenOffice.org project (hence
the corrections to the infobox information).
I don't know all of the technicalities, so the edits I just made might not
be precise, for example which release was the first release to have the
Apache license?


Is this the same David Gerard discussed here?

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Gerard


Oh, I hope so!

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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
 wrote:
> Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
> still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
> discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the
> "Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate
> derivative project. All that is needed is to chime in on the article talk
> page citing references to legal info about OpenOffice.org being officially
> in the hands of the Apache Software Foundation. If there is evidence of
> that (which seems obvious to me, I'm a newcomer but I go to the webpage and
> I see Apache OpenOffice on the OpenOffice.org webpage), it just needs to be
> cited on the talk page to back any kind of edits to the article that
> reflect that. Seems that the article has already been split and "Apache
> OpenOffice" has it's own wikipedia article (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice), I wouldn't make a big
> deal about having a separate article but I would oppose the POV opinions
> about Apache not having legal rights to the OpenOffice.org project (hence
> the corrections to the infobox information).
> I don't know all of the technicalities, so the edits I just made might not
> be precise, for example which release was the first release to have the
> Apache license?
>

Is this the same David Gerard discussed here?

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Gerard



> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/14/2015 11:44 AM, John D'Orazio wrote:
>> > I'll try to change it too. If someone on wikipedia reverts an edit up to
>> > three times without founded reason, they can be blocked by a wikipedia
>> > moderator. So they won't be able to continue reverting forever...
>>
>> Well this is interesting information. I was wondering if there might be
>> editing wars forever! :)
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> https://twitter.com/davidgerard
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 14.09.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Max Merbald:
>> >>
>> >>> I changed it back. Who is this David Gerard person who obviously wants
>> >>> to damage OpenOffice?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 14.09.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Donald Whytock:
>> >>>
>>  There was a minor skirmish last week over it.  Looks like there'll be
>> one
>>  this week too...someone changed it to "moribund".
>> 
>>  On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page.  You're right,
>> > having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and very misleading.
>> >
>> > I changed it to "Active" just now and added a ref pointer to the
>> 4.1.2
>> > release schedule that Andrea just provided.  I just hope there aren't
>> > certain parties with a vested interest in denigrating AOO sitting
>> around
>> > planning to start a revert war over this.   :-(
>> >
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >
>> > This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Max Merbald 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Phil,
>> >>
>> >> what I meant was the infobox at the top right. In that box it says
>> that
>> >> AOO is dormat, which is not correct and which is not in the
>> citations.
>> >>
>> > The
>> >
>> >> presence of a citation does not necessry mean that the claimed info
>> >> is in
>> >> the citation. If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is "dormant"
>> >>
>> > they'll
>> >
>> >> start looking for different office software.
>> >>
>> >> Max
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 03.09.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Phillip Rhodes:
>> >>
>> >> I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's -
>> >>> strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations.  IOW, I don't
>> see
>> >>>
>> >> any
>> >
>> >> supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although
>> one
>> >>> could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out
>> some
>> >>> concerns about lack of activity in the first paragaph of the
>> article.
>> >>> Nonetheless, I think any attempt to modify that will face
>> opposition.
>> >>>
>> >>> In a related vein, The Guardian recently ran this article titled
>> >>>
>> >> "Should I
>> >
>> >> Switch From Apache OpenOffice to LibreOffice or Microsoft Office".
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office
>> >
>> > I don't know if there's any easy way to counter this narrative that's
>> >>> spreading through the press, about AOO being
>> dead/dormant/whatever, or
>> 

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 16 Sep 15, at 14:31, Max Merbald  wrote:
> 
> According to the links on that page it's him.

Fantastic.

One hopes he’s reading this. 

Louis

PS in case others didn’t bother to follow up on Rob’s link, the title 
(self-appointed, I assume) held by Mr Gerard is enough to earn his keep, I’m 
sure.
> 
> 
> 
> Am 16.09.2015 um 19:58 schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:
>>> On 16 Sep 15, at 13:56, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
>>>  wrote:
 Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
 still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
 discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the
 "Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate
 derivative project. All that is needed is to chime in on the article talk
 page citing references to legal info about OpenOffice.org being officially
 in the hands of the Apache Software Foundation. If there is evidence of
 that (which seems obvious to me, I'm a newcomer but I go to the webpage and
 I see Apache OpenOffice on the OpenOffice.org webpage), it just needs to be
 cited on the talk page to back any kind of edits to the article that
 reflect that. Seems that the article has already been split and "Apache
 OpenOffice" has it's own wikipedia article (
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice), I wouldn't make a big
 deal about having a separate article but I would oppose the POV opinions
 about Apache not having legal rights to the OpenOffice.org project (hence
 the corrections to the infobox information).
 I don't know all of the technicalities, so the edits I just made might not
 be precise, for example which release was the first release to have the
 Apache license?
 
>>> Is this the same David Gerard discussed here?
>>> 
>>> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Gerard
>>> 
>> Oh, I hope so!
>> 
>> Louis
>> 
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Google Test now in gbuild and other good news

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi

I finally managed to win a long battle against GNU make and integrate
Google Test into gbuild :-). Also updated the documentation on
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Googletest. Currently only main/sfx2
uses it, but I plan on migrating the other gbuild+cppunit modules.
It's very platform dependent; it definitely works on Windows, Linux
and FreeBSD, but I couldn't test my changes to MacOS, Solaris, OS/2 or
MinGW.

In other good news (which we seem to need of late):
* Broken javadocs in a number of .java files that were causing the
build to break when using Java 8's very strict javadoc tool have all
been fixed, and AOO now builds with Java 8.
* oowintool was broken by a recent commit, and ./configure was failing
on Windows as a result. This regression was reported to its committer
and is now fixed.
* Several unit tests that were breaking the Windows build have been
fixed, and I am resolving more.

Damjan

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Re: Slow but steady, please

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

> On 14 Sep 15, at 20:13, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bruce;
> 
> I just looked a bit ...
> Calligra does look nice and I see it has advanced quite nicely.
> 
> There's probably still the issue of multi-platform support but it
> is certainly refreshing to see something different.

I’ve played around a lot with KOffice, Calligra, and on Linux (KDE) and wished 
I could use, without encountering the inevitable crash, the durn things on OS 
X. I think Calligra is great. I love the modularity, love their support of ODF, 
but wish it were more complete, though it’s frankly good enough. At the Orvieto 
conference, Inge W., who then led the KOffice team, described the challenges of 
modularizing the previously monolithic code and making it modular. Far more 
successful than Mozilla’s efforts, the team succeeded in its goal. At the time, 
I was hopeful that the same dedication could be applied to OO. Certainly, there 
were at least two competing architectures to the one we had. But history….

And now KDE and Calligra. One has to wonder, however good the application was, 
is and will be, how relevant is it? (Yes, I am aware this query applies as well 
to AOO and all children of OOo.) Another way of putting that query, I suppose, 
would be, What makes for a relevant suite or set of related applications? I 
think the obvious answer is something like, "It works with what we’ve got," and 
"It’s easy to integrate into what we’re thinking about getting."

I would further nuance that with, 

* Let’s focus on public sector use. Open government practices are making more 
and more documents accessible to the public. These can use PDF but for 
necessarily interactive ones, the choice can be OOXML, HTML, ODF

* Archival usage
* Education (for students, by professors/teachers, by admin)

Desired features of all such (and also a raging buzzword, rather ill-defined): 
Collaboration.

Right now, I don’t think it’s simply about not spending money poorly. I rather 
think it’s about anticipating use cases and remaining flexible both as a 
productive environment and as a product.

Louis


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pedro.
> 
> On 09/14/15 17:18, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>> Hello;
>> 
>> This may sound controversial, and is indeed just IMHO, but I am afraid
>> that the general Office-suite marketplace is stuck and people shouldn't
>> expect much more from it.
>> 


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Re: Google Test now in gbuild and other good news

[Marcus]

Am 09/16/2015 09:53 PM, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

I finally managed to win a long battle against GNU make and integrate
Google Test into gbuild :-). Also updated the documentation on
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Googletest. Currently only main/sfx2
uses it, but I plan on migrating the other gbuild+cppunit modules.
It's very platform dependent; it definitely works on Windows, Linux
and FreeBSD, but I couldn't test my changes to MacOS, Solaris, OS/2 or
MinGW.

In other good news (which we seem to need of late):
* Broken javadocs in a number of .java files that were causing the
build to break when using Java 8's very strict javadoc tool have all
been fixed, and AOO now builds with Java 8.
* oowintool was broken by a recent commit, and ./configure was failing
on Windows as a result. This regression was reported to its committer
and is now fixed.
* Several unit tests that were breaking the Windows build have been
fixed, and I am resolving more.


wow, so many great things in one mail. That's a very nice read.

Thanks a lot for your work. This will bring us forward. Please keep up 
the fine work. :-)


Marcus

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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> Time, gentlemen, time.
>
> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go 
> night-night.
>
> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO 
> business.  We have our own business to attend to.  If folks want to keep 
> fussing about it, there are many better places to do that than here on dev@.
>

Ad hominem?  Excuse me?   The web page has a record of Wikipedia
abuses attributed to Mr. Gerard and cites several cases where he was
sanction for it.   One can talk about his actions without slurring his
person, especially when such acts are directly relevant to the topic
of this thread.

-Rob

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Re: Google Test now in gbuild and other good news

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi Damjian,


> On 16 Sep 15, at 15:53, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I finally managed to win a long battle against GNU make and integrate
> Google Test into gbuild :-). Also updated the documentation on
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Googletest. Currently only main/sfx2
> uses it, but I plan on migrating the other gbuild+cppunit modules.
> It's very platform dependent; it definitely works on Windows, Linux
> and FreeBSD, but I couldn't test my changes to MacOS, Solaris, OS/2 or
> MinGW.
> 
> In other good news (which we seem to need of late):
> * Broken javadocs in a number of .java files that were causing the
> build to break when using Java 8's very strict javadoc tool have all
> been fixed, and AOO now builds with Java 8.
> * oowintool was broken by a recent commit, and ./configure was failing
> on Windows as a result. This regression was reported to its committer
> and is now fixed.
> * Several unit tests that were breaking the Windows build have been
> fixed, and I am resolving more.
> 
> Damjan
> 
> —

So, I’m impressed :-)

This is terrific, and more than just good news. Hope you blog about it!

Louis


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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 16 Sep 15, at 17:27, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton  
>> wrote:
>>> Time, gentlemen, time.
>>> 
>>> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread 
>>> go night-night.
>>> 
>>> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and 
>>> AOO business.  We have our own business to attend to.  If folks want to 
>>> keep fussing about it, there are many better places to do that than here on 
>>> dev@.
>>> 
>> 
>> Ad hominem?  Excuse me?   The web page has a record of Wikipedia
>> abuses attributed to Mr. Gerard and cites several cases where he was
>> sanction for it.   One can talk about his actions without slurring his
>> person, especially when such acts are directly relevant to the topic
>> of this thread.
>> 
> 
> Last word, in case the inference is unclear.   We're dealing with a
> sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia.  Correcting erroneous
> information, which is proper to do, is unlikely to be achieved via an
> edit war.  Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.   Any progress would
> only be made by showing Mr. Gerard's own conflict  and his bad will
> (not hard to do),  and escalating it within the the formal Wikipedia
> appeals process, patiently dealing with the ministerial types to whom
> bureaucratic process is dear.  Since Dennis does not want to discuss
> this on the list, feel free to contact me offline if anyone wishes to
> discuss this further.
> 
> -Rob
> 

But Dennis does not control the lists, just as King Canute did not control the 
waves. :-/

Rob, your points are good; I was being too facetious, stunned by the attitude 
of Mr Gerard. Clearly, unless we are reading him wrongly, he would seem more 
likely to stick to his position, regardless of reason and logic, than accept 
the ignominy of somebody else being right.

louis
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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
>> Time, gentlemen, time.
>>
>> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread 
>> go night-night.
>>
>> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and 
>> AOO business.  We have our own business to attend to.  If folks want to keep 
>> fussing about it, there are many better places to do that than here on dev@.
>>
>
> Ad hominem?  Excuse me?   The web page has a record of Wikipedia
> abuses attributed to Mr. Gerard and cites several cases where he was
> sanction for it.   One can talk about his actions without slurring his
> person, especially when such acts are directly relevant to the topic
> of this thread.
>

Last word, in case the inference is unclear.   We're dealing with a
sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia.  Correcting erroneous
information, which is proper to do, is unlikely to be achieved via an
edit war.  Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.   Any progress would
only be made by showing Mr. Gerard's own conflict  and his bad will
(not hard to do),  and escalating it within the the formal Wikipedia
appeals process, patiently dealing with the ministerial types to whom
bureaucratic process is dear.  Since Dennis does not want to discuss
this on the list, feel free to contact me offline if anyone wishes to
discuss this further.

-Rob

> -Rob
>
>>  - Dennis
>>
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Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/16/2015 02:32 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> 
>> On 16 Sep 15, at 17:27, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>>  wrote:
 Time, gentlemen, time.
 
 We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let
 this thread go night-night.
 
 Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is
 not ASF and AOO business.  We have our own business to attend
 to.  If folks want to keep fussing about it, there are many
 better places to do that than here on dev@.
 
>>> 
>>> Ad hominem?  Excuse me?   The web page has a record of Wikipedia 
>>> abuses attributed to Mr. Gerard and cites several cases where he
>>> was sanction for it.   One can talk about his actions without
>>> slurring his person, especially when such acts are directly
>>> relevant to the topic of this thread.
>>> 
>> 
>> Last word, in case the inference is unclear.   We're dealing with
>> a sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia.  Correcting
>> erroneous information, which is proper to do, is unlikely to be
>> achieved via an edit war.  Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.   Any
>> progress would only be made by showing Mr. Gerard's own conflict
>> and his bad will (not hard to do),  and escalating it within the
>> the formal Wikipedia appeals process, patiently dealing with the
>> ministerial types to whom bureaucratic process is dear.  Since
>> Dennis does not want to discuss this on the list, feel free to
>> contact me offline if anyone wishes to discuss this further.
>> 
>> -Rob

I love "serial infringer". :)

>> 
> 
> But Dennis does not control the lists, just as King Canute did not
> control the waves. :-/
> 
> Rob, your points are good; I was being too facetious, stunned by the
> attitude of Mr Gerard. Clearly, unless we are reading him wrongly, he
> would seem more likely to stick to his position, regardless of reason
> and logic, than accept the ignominy of somebody else being right.
> 
> louis 
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