Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[Suminda Dharmasena]

This is exactly what I had in mind also.



>
> AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH
>
> Another way to interact and support Apache OpenOffice in terms of
> collaborative contributions is as follows.
>
>  1. Establish a downstream producer, TeamX (for example), that provides
> releases of derivative software based on Apache OpenOffice.
>
>  2. Assumption #1: The Apache License Version 2 (ALv2) is honored in the
> use of Apache OpenOffice source code.  Apache trademark requirements are
> satisfied in any use as part of the branding of the downstream product.
>
>  3. Assumption #2: New code and modifications to the TeamX derivative are
> also under ALv2.
>
>  4. Open-Source Good Citizenship: The ALv2-licensed fixes and repairs are
> contributed back upstream to Apache OpenOffice.  Components from other
> sources would, of course, be contributed upstream to those sources.
> Contributions and joint concerns might lead to use of the OpenOffice
> bugzilla as a coordination point.
>
>  5. Opportunity.  The business model, organization, and governance of
> TeamX is not of concern to the ASF.
>
>  6. Opportunity.  The Apache Software Foundation requirements beyond
> honoring of the ALv2 that govern Apache projects serving the public
> interest do not apply, although TeamX could operate in a harmonious manner.
>
>  7. Opportunity. So long as there is clear separation and no comingling in
> source-code files, TeamX is not constrained from also using code or
> components from other projects, such as those using licenses such as the
> MPL or, under appropriate conditions, something like LGPL2, with
> appropriate honoring of those licenses too.  However, to avoid tainting of
> upstream source-code contributions back to Apache OpenOffice, there must be
> careful management of IP and reliance on code (source or binary) under
> non-ALv2 license (and ALv2 code which is not the original work of TeamX).
>
>  8. Opportunity. Depending on how close the operation of TeamX releases
> remains to that of Apache OpenOffice, especially at the beginning, one can
> rely on the Apache OpenOffice mediawiki and openoffice.org site in large
> measure, so long as there is no confusion.  Also, the Apache OpenOffice
> Community Forums are more ecumenical in how they can provide forum support
> to OpenOffice.org-lineage ODF-supporting products. How confusion is avoided
> would need to be worked out, but this provides TeamX time to develop its
> own support as that ends up having unique requirements.
>
> This is not unlike how downstream organizations rely on Apache OpenOffice
> for specialized distributions (e.g., FreeBSD, OS/2, and Solaris).  There
> are other Apache projects where the downstream ecosystem is quite robust
> and the key Apache project deliverable is the source-code release and not
> so much any end-user binary distributions.
>
>  - Dennis
>
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RE: [REPORT] AOO 4.1.2 Deployment and Take-Up through 2016Q2

[toki]

Dennis wrote:

>  US destinations .. 15% of the total.

Would it be possible to obtain percentage downloads for each
country/geographic unit?

>with 11 languages in the top 92%: English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, 
>Japanese, Russian, Polish,
Portuguese, Chinese and Dutch in decreasing order.

Would it be possible to obtain percentages for each of the 27 languages?

Wondering which languages and countries are overrepresented in
downloads, and which ones are under-represented in downloads.

jonathon

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[REPORT] AOO 4.1.2 Deployment and Take-Up through 2016Q2

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

[Statistics captured for the 2016Q2 report to the ASF Board]

Deployment and Take-Up
--

For the eight months since release of AOO 4.1.2 through 2016-06-30, 
there are 29 million downloads, averaging about 850,000 per week down
to about 600,000 as we enter North American Summer in the last week.  
Platform take-up is relatively constant:

   87.5% for Windows,
7.8% for Macintosh, and
4.7% for all other distributions

US destinations have the greatest number of downloads by nationality,
representing but 15% of the total.  English language localization
is chosen for 41% of recent downloads, with 11 languages in the top
92%: English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Polish,
Portuguese, Chinese and Dutch in decreasing order.  The remaining 8% 
includes 27 additional languages and the SDK.

Although release 4.1.1 achieved a higher rate in its 16-month reign with
48 million downloads, 4.1.2 could reach or exceed that in the same time.

SourceForge serving of downloads has continued with its much-improved
usability and up-time.


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RE: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

There is a bit to discuss about how "The entity should ensure they work on the 
AOO codebase using the ASF way" is workable or not.  In particular, no such 
entity can direct the project at Apache or otherwise effectively govern it.  
More about that later.

There is another option, summarized below.  One might also consider this as a 
reality check.  That is, if that is not feasible, it may be that no other 
arrangement is.

> -Original Message-
> From: Suminda Dharmasena [mailto:sirinath19...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 00:23
> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am writing to see if the current AOO Dev team would like to create an
> independent entity which can:
> 
>- Do trainings
>- Accept funds and have pay developers
>- Write commercial books / online tutorials with sponsorship
> 
> This can be used have paid developers working on the project. Maybe
> initial
> sponsorship can come from an organisation like Redhat, Pivotal or Micro
> Focus if they are interested. Perhaps companies which used the code base
> in
> the past like IBM or Oracle.
> 
> The entity should ensure they work on the AOO codebase using the ASF
> way.
> 
> Suminda
[orcmid] 

AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH

Another way to interact and support Apache OpenOffice in terms of collaborative 
contributions is as follows.

 1. Establish a downstream producer, TeamX (for example), that provides 
releases of derivative software based on Apache OpenOffice.

 2. Assumption #1: The Apache License Version 2 (ALv2) is honored in the use of 
Apache OpenOffice source code.  Apache trademark requirements are satisfied in 
any use as part of the branding of the downstream product.

 3. Assumption #2: New code and modifications to the TeamX derivative are also 
under ALv2.

 4. Open-Source Good Citizenship: The ALv2-licensed fixes and repairs are 
contributed back upstream to Apache OpenOffice.  Components from other sources 
would, of course, be contributed upstream to those sources.  Contributions and 
joint concerns might lead to use of the OpenOffice bugzilla as a coordination 
point.

 5. Opportunity.  The business model, organization, and governance of TeamX is 
not of concern to the ASF.

 6. Opportunity.  The Apache Software Foundation requirements beyond honoring 
of the ALv2 that govern Apache projects serving the public interest do not 
apply, although TeamX could operate in a harmonious manner.

 7. Opportunity. So long as there is clear separation and no comingling in 
source-code files, TeamX is not constrained from also using code or components 
from other projects, such as those using licenses such as the MPL or, under 
appropriate conditions, something like LGPL2, with appropriate honoring of 
those licenses too.  However, to avoid tainting of upstream source-code 
contributions back to Apache OpenOffice, there must be careful management of IP 
and reliance on code (source or binary) under non-ALv2 license (and ALv2 code 
which is not the original work of TeamX).

 8. Opportunity. Depending on how close the operation of TeamX releases remains 
to that of Apache OpenOffice, especially at the beginning, one can rely on the 
Apache OpenOffice mediawiki and openoffice.org site in large measure, so long 
as there is no confusion.  Also, the Apache OpenOffice Community Forums are 
more ecumenical in how they can provide forum support to OpenOffice.org-lineage 
ODF-supporting products. How confusion is avoided would need to be worked out, 
but this provides TeamX time to develop its own support as that ends up having 
unique requirements.

This is not unlike how downstream organizations rely on Apache OpenOffice for 
specialized distributions (e.g., FreeBSD, OS/2, and Solaris).  There are other 
Apache projects where the downstream ecosystem is quite robust and the key 
Apache project deliverable is the source-code release and not so much any 
end-user binary distributions.

 - Dennis


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Re: Data lost

[Arun Kumar]

Thank you for the response.
Now that the damage has been done It does not make any sense if I choose to
create backup of this file.
Anything else to retrieve the data. I am cimpletely devastated.
On Jul 11, 2016 11:14 PM, "JZA"  wrote:

> Not sure how backspace will delete a page. That is not how is built. I
> think the recovery process will attempt to get your data back even if its
> in auto-save.
>
>
> Also there is a backup folder that if you have it activate it, you could go
> there to restore your lost file.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Arun Kumar 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello sir/ma'am,
> > I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today, just
> > after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed
> backspace
> > button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
> > previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z also
> > could not help.
> > please help in this regard. The document was very important
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>

Re: Data lost

[JZA]

It just seems hard to believe you experience 2 things one after the other:
- Backspace doesnt errase whole pages
- Auto-save is optional you can disable it
- The recovery feature would have restore your data.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Arun Kumar  wrote:

> If it was not for auto-save feature existing in the place I could have
> easily retrieved my lost data by hitting undo.
> On Jul 12, 2016 12:11 AM, "Arun Kumar"  wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the response.
> > Now that the damage has been done It does not make any sense if I choose
> > to create backup of this file.
> > Anything else to retrieve the data. I am cimpletely devastated.
> > On Jul 11, 2016 11:14 PM, "JZA"  wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure how backspace will delete a page. That is not how is built. I
> >> think the recovery process will attempt to get your data back even if
> its
> >> in auto-save.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also there is a backup folder that if you have it activate it, you could
> >> go
> >> there to restore your lost file.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Arun Kumar 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello sir/ma'am,
> >> > I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today,
> >> just
> >> > after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed
> >> backspace
> >> > button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
> >> > previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z
> also
> >> > could not help.
> >> > please help in this regard. The document was very important
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
> >>
> >
>



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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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Re: Data lost

[Arun Kumar]

If it was not for auto-save feature existing in the place I could have
easily retrieved my lost data by hitting undo.
On Jul 12, 2016 12:11 AM, "Arun Kumar"  wrote:

> Thank you for the response.
> Now that the damage has been done It does not make any sense if I choose
> to create backup of this file.
> Anything else to retrieve the data. I am cimpletely devastated.
> On Jul 11, 2016 11:14 PM, "JZA"  wrote:
>
>> Not sure how backspace will delete a page. That is not how is built. I
>> think the recovery process will attempt to get your data back even if its
>> in auto-save.
>>
>>
>> Also there is a backup folder that if you have it activate it, you could
>> go
>> there to restore your lost file.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Arun Kumar 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello sir/ma'am,
>> > I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today,
>> just
>> > after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed
>> backspace
>> > button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
>> > previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z also
>> > could not help.
>> > please help in this regard. The document was very important
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>>
>

Re: Data lost

[Marcus]

Am 07/11/2016 05:17 PM, schrieb Arun Kumar:

I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today, just
after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed backspace
button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z also
could not help.
please help in this regard. The document was very important


the behavior you are reporting is not common. Due to this I don't know 
what really happened and fear that I cannot help here in a concrete manner.


I hope you have a backup of your file(s), so that you can continue your 
work with a minimum of steps you have to redo.


For more possible help you should also ask on the users mailing list 
[1]. There are many people with more ideas. For more information about 
our mailing lists please have a look here [2].


[1] 
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#users-mailing-list-public

[2] http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#using-mailing-lists

HTH

Marcus

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Re: Data lost

[JZA]

Not sure how backspace will delete a page. That is not how is built. I
think the recovery process will attempt to get your data back even if its
in auto-save.


Also there is a backup folder that if you have it activate it, you could go
there to restore your lost file.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Arun Kumar 
wrote:

> Hello sir/ma'am,
> I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today, just
> after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed backspace
> button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
> previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z also
> could not help.
> please help in this regard. The document was very important
>



-- 
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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF

Data lost

[Arun Kumar]

Hello sir/ma'am,
I have been writing some important notes for past two months. Today, just
after I reached the next page in the course of writing I pressed backspace
button once to allign the document. Moment later I realized I had lost
previous all pages. Since the mechanism is autosave hitting CTRL+Z also
could not help.
please help in this regard. The document was very important

Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> From: Suminda Dharmasena [mailto:sirinath19...@gmail.com] 

> I am writing to see if the current AOO Dev team would like to 
> create an
> independent entity which can:
> 
>- Do trainings
>- Accept funds and have pay developers
>- Write commercial books / online tutorials with sponsorship

you're right, but I fear that the general rules of Apache do not allow.

Let me describe the practice:

a problem is the inability to be able to donate directly to a particular Apache 
project.

In the German OpenOffice community so we have activities besides the official 
project develop to be able to act.
One example is http://www.prooo-box.org, because that is formally an entirely 
independent project, but we would rather were part of AOO.


These things concern matters which are only central to clarify with Apache 
because OpenOffice is part of Apache and can not act alone, but must take into 
account the will of all Apache members, so all Apache projects.

I'd want the very act could the local communities AOO independent, but that 
they can not do unilaterally, but only with the consent of all Apache members.

I think we should look for solutions for this purpose, because they are for AOO 
equally important as good programmers.


Example:
Money is not the only issue, but donations are an important issue. imho it 
would, for example, very helpful if the local (national) communities (for 
example, en, de, it, it, ) could collect even donations.
I can very well imagine that an integral part of these donations would then be 
forwarded to Apache, but over the rest of the local communities must be able to 
freely dispose.

The specific problem is that we as could accumulate in Germany every year many 
thousands of euros for OpenOffice, but at the same time hardly anyone has 
interest in Apache generally to donate.
The result of the overall situation is therefore unfortunately we practice (in 
Germany) have no donations for OpenOffice, nor donations for Apache.
This vicious circle needs to be broken.



Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[Suminda Dharmasena]

Every remaining dev / concerned user must get together a take an
initiative. Things rarely workout on their own.

On 11 July 2016 at 13:11, JZA  wrote:

> Sounds good, there have been some intention of these in the past, not sure
> how open the community is right now to be honest. But is a good idea if
> somehow there is some strong backing.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Suminda Dharmasena <
> sirinath19...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am writing to see if the current AOO Dev team would like to create an
> > independent entity which can:
> >
> >- Do trainings
> >- Accept funds and have pay developers
> >- Write commercial books / online tutorials with sponsorship
> >
> > This can be used have paid developers working on the project. Maybe
> initial
> > sponsorship can come from an organisation like Redhat, Pivotal or Micro
> > Focus if they are interested. Perhaps companies which used the code base
> in
> > the past like IBM or Oracle.
> >
> > The entity should ensure they work on the AOO codebase using the ASF way.
> >
> > Suminda
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>

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[Hammam Alyamani]

Hello There 

How is everyone is doing? I hope you are all good. 

I have a suggestion, since there is a dedicated Mac OS version of
OpenOffuce called NeoOffice, and since everyone is just switching to
LibreOffice because it's where everyone is at now, why not you dedicate
Apache OpenOffice fo work on windows exclusivley?!

I don't see people complain about Neo being a Mac only package and
making use of Mac capabilities, so why not do the same for Apache
OpenOffice?

Just a thought, and looking forward to hear from you soon. Thank you.

--
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  Hammam Alyamani
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Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[JZA]

Sounds good, there have been some intention of these in the past, not sure
how open the community is right now to be honest. But is a good idea if
somehow there is some strong backing.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Suminda Dharmasena  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing to see if the current AOO Dev team would like to create an
> independent entity which can:
>
>- Do trainings
>- Accept funds and have pay developers
>- Write commercial books / online tutorials with sponsorship
>
> This can be used have paid developers working on the project. Maybe initial
> sponsorship can come from an organisation like Redhat, Pivotal or Micro
> Focus if they are interested. Perhaps companies which used the code base in
> the past like IBM or Oracle.
>
> The entity should ensure they work on the AOO codebase using the ASF way.
>
> Suminda
>



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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF

Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO

[Suminda Dharmasena]

Hello,

I am writing to see if the current AOO Dev team would like to create an
independent entity which can:

   - Do trainings
   - Accept funds and have pay developers
   - Write commercial books / online tutorials with sponsorship

This can be used have paid developers working on the project. Maybe initial
sponsorship can come from an organisation like Redhat, Pivotal or Micro
Focus if they are interested. Perhaps companies which used the code base in
the past like IBM or Oracle.

The entity should ensure they work on the AOO codebase using the ASF way.

Suminda