Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

I know the causes now, but I may still request Apache to modify the
icon-logos (especially those of Writer and other products).
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 23:05, Pedro Lino 
a écrit :

> Hi Manjiro
>
> > On 02/13/2022 8:36 PM Corentin Verbrèghe 
> wrote:
>
> > I think by making a request to Apache to change the icons of Writer and
> > other software, they may agree.
>
> Only the Blue Orb icon (or Logo) is part of the trademark. Icons for
> Writer or any other modules as well as icons for the toolbars are not
> included in the trademark and can be changed.
>
> This is not a restriction to our freedom but a way to guarantee that even
> though anyone can use the freely available source code, they can not
> commercialize or offer a product named OpenOffice or use the same Logo
> In any case it is not Apache that restricts our freedom ;)
>
> Thank you for volunteering to contribute! I hope these small legal quirks
> do not demotivate you!
>
> All the best,
> Pedro
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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Andrea

> On 02/13/2022 10:11 PM Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> I had to try a lot of times since apparently the process changed since 
> the last time I checked this, but I was able to login at last and it's 
> still weekend!

Thank you for taking some time to do this and for testing first!
 
> So, the first steps on your side, since the site is hosted on 
> SourceForge, would be:
> - Get a SourceForge account (and you probably already have one)
> - Follow this guide 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/SSH%20Keys/ to create and 
> upload your SSH key
> - Test that the shell works by checking whether "ssh -t 
> your_user_n...@shell.sourceforge.net create" gives you a shell; then you 
> can simply type "exit" and logout as you won't have any projects 
> associated to you.

Done. It is working!

> I'm assuming lazy consensus on giving you permissions on the Extensions 
> site (not the site itself, actually, but the shell access). You should 
> post here your SourceForge username for you to be added.

My username is plino

> Once we are ready with permissions we can then get into details of how 
> the feed works.

Thanks!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 11/02/22 Pedro Lino wrote:

Do you have time for this issue during this weekend?


Hello Pedro,
I had to try a lot of times since apparently the process changed since 
the last time I checked this, but I was able to login at last and it's 
still weekend!


So, the first steps on your side, since the site is hosted on 
SourceForge, would be:

- Get a SourceForge account (and you probably already have one)
- Follow this guide 
https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/SSH%20Keys/ to create and 
upload your SSH key
- Test that the shell works by checking whether "ssh -t 
your_user_n...@shell.sourceforge.net create" gives you a shell; then you 
can simply type "exit" and logout as you won't have any projects 
associated to you.


I'm assuming lazy consensus on giving you permissions on the Extensions 
site (not the site itself, actually, but the shell access). You should 
post here your SourceForge username for you to be added.


Once we are ready with permissions we can then get into details of how 
the feed works.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Manjiro

> On 02/13/2022 8:36 PM Corentin Verbrèghe  
> wrote:
 
> I think by making a request to Apache to change the icons of Writer and
> other software, they may agree.

Only the Blue Orb icon (or Logo) is part of the trademark. Icons for Writer or 
any other modules as well as icons for the toolbars are not included in the 
trademark and can be changed.

This is not a restriction to our freedom but a way to guarantee that even 
though anyone can use the freely available source code, they can not 
commercialize or offer a product named OpenOffice or use the same Logo
In any case it is not Apache that restricts our freedom ;)

Thank you for volunteering to contribute! I hope these small legal quirks do 
not demotivate you!

All the best,
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Peter Kovacs]

On 13.02.22 21:36, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:

I think by making a request to Apache to change the icons of Writer and
other software, they may agree.


For clarification: The decision is made on this list. And we decide 
together. That is the way.


The Apache Foundation is the body that enables us and stewards this project.

I recommend to start of with one icon. And then discuss that. This will 
give us an impression on what your taste and skill is and you will see 
the taste on the existing participants.


We have to figure a community solution that works for all involved.


I know the licenses but I don't understand why I couldn't offer Apache a
new logo.


The Apache OpenOffice Logo is part of our trademark. Trademarks are 
legal documents, that provide us rights if we clash with other 
companies. That are not our rules. This are the rules Companies play by. 
Since a lot of people have interest in the market name OpenOffice, Logo 
is nothing we can easily change. I hope you understand that this is a 
difficult topic, and has nothing to do with your proposal or person. So 
lets see if we can agree on the other things first. If a trademark is 
running out we can have a discussion on the logo for sure. This will 
happen in some years.



All the best

Peter


Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 19:06, Rory O'Farrell  a écrit :


On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 18:59:00 +0100
Matthias Seidel  wrote:


Am 13.02.22 um 18:53 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:

It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.

I think you don't understand trademarks... ;-)

The source code is free. You can build it with whatever graphics you
want to use.

But you would need to find a new name for it, since you wouldn't be
allowed to call it OpenOffice.


You could change the toolbar icons, while leaving the icons identifying
the suite and the applications untouched.

Rory


Cordially.

Manjiro (Corentin)


Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel <

matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>

a écrit :


Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:

Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to

make

them

slightly more colorful.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just

added a

gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice

The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
changed in the near future.

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <

matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>

a écrit :


Hi,

Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:

If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
I'm
sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
switch
between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
available.

BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...

Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
https://iconoir.com/

This does not refer to Industrial, I think?

But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
people to do the actual work. ;-)

(https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under

Apache

License)

Regards,

Matthias


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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

I know the licenses but I don't understand why I couldn't offer Apache a
new logo.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:59, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :

> Am 13.02.22 um 18:53 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
> > OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.
>
> I think you don't understand trademarks... ;-)
>
> The source code is free. You can build it with whatever graphics you
> want to use.
>
> But you would need to find a new name for it, since you wouldn't be
> allowed to call it OpenOffice.
>
> >
> > Cordially.
> >
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> >
> > Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> >>> Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make
> >> them
> >>> slightly more colorful.
> >>> Cordially.
> >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> >>>
> >>> PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added
> a
> >>> gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
> >>> Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
> >> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
> >> changed in the near future.
> >>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
> >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> >>> a écrit :
> >>>
>  Hi,
> 
>  Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>  If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
>  I'm
>  sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
>  switch
>  between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>  available.
> >> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> > Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> > https://iconoir.com/
>  This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
> 
>  But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
>  people to do the actual work. ;-)
> 
>  (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under
> Apache
>  License)
> 
>  Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> > :-)
> >
> > -
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

I think by making a request to Apache to change the icons of Writer and
other software, they may agree.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 19:06, Rory O'Farrell  a écrit :

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 18:59:00 +0100
> Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>
> > Am 13.02.22 um 18:53 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > > It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
> > > OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.
> >
> > I think you don't understand trademarks... ;-)
> >
> > The source code is free. You can build it with whatever graphics you
> > want to use.
> >
> > But you would need to find a new name for it, since you wouldn't be
> > allowed to call it OpenOffice.
>
>
> You could change the toolbar icons, while leaving the icons identifying
> the suite and the applications untouched.
>
> Rory
>
> > >
> > > Cordially.
> > >
> > > Manjiro (Corentin)
> > >
> > >
> > > Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > > a écrit :
> > >
> > >> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > >>> Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to
> make
> > >> them
> > >>> slightly more colorful.
> > >>> Cordially.
> > >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> > >>>
> > >>> PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just
> added a
> > >>> gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
> > >>> Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
> > >> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
> > >> changed in the near future.
> > >>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
> > >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > >>> a écrit :
> > >>>
> >  Hi,
> > 
> >  Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
> >  If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
> >  I'm
> >  sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
> >  switch
> >  between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
> >  available.
> > >> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> > > Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> > > https://iconoir.com/
> >  This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
> > 
> >  But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
> >  people to do the actual work. ;-)
> > 
> >  (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under
> Apache
> >  License)
> > 
> >  Regards,
> > 
> > Matthias
> > 
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
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> > >>
> >
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 18:59:00 +0100
Matthias Seidel  wrote:

> Am 13.02.22 um 18:53 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
> > OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.
> 
> I think you don't understand trademarks... ;-)
> 
> The source code is free. You can build it with whatever graphics you
> want to use.
> 
> But you would need to find a new name for it, since you wouldn't be
> allowed to call it OpenOffice.


You could change the toolbar icons, while leaving the icons identifying the 
suite and the applications untouched.

Rory

> >
> > Cordially.
> >
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> >
> > Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel 
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> >>> Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make
> >> them
> >>> slightly more colorful.
> >>> Cordially.
> >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> >>>
> >>> PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
> >>> gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
> >>> Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
> >> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
> >> changed in the near future.
> >>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
> >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> >>> a écrit :
> >>>
>  Hi,
> 
>  Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>  If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
>  I'm
>  sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
>  switch
>  between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>  available.
> >> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> > Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> > https://iconoir.com/
>  This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
> 
>  But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
>  people to do the actual work. ;-)
> 
>  (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
>  License)
> 
>  Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> > :-)
> >
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Re: [openoffice] branch AOO41X updated: Add support for Azul JDK's

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Arrigo,

Am 13.02.22 um 18:43 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello Matthias,
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi Arrigo,
>>
>> Am 13.02.22 um 17:22 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>> Hello Matthias, All,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 08:15:32PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
 Hi Arrigo,

 Same here: Would this also be wanted in trunk and AOO42X?
>>> I think so. This commit had to be adjusted because AOO42X and trunk do
>>> not seem to support Java 1.7, whereas AOO41X did.
>>>
>>> I merged the other one about the `tmp' folder.
>>>
>>> Thank you for pointing this out! My bad; I should not work on trunk
>>> directly...
>> No problem, I just want to have the branches in sync as much as possible.
> Sure!
>
> [...]
>
>> The fix for "Azul" is just for building?
>>
>> I ask, because on Windows the Azul JDK is already detected. But it is
>> listed as "OpenJDK" like the one from Adoptium. Maybe we can make that
>> list a bit more clear?
> The commit changes the logic that selects whether "mac.java.path"
> shall be set to "mac.oracle.java.path" or "mac.apple.java.path".
>
> Apparently, there are two ``families'' of JDK's under macOS, and each
> family keeps its base classes in a different path.
>
> This edit only affects building under macOS.
>
> Do you suggest that an explanation like the above shall be integrated
> into the file as a comment?

No, I just noticed that JDKs based on OpenJDK are all listed as
"OpenJDK" in the AOO settings.

Hard to distinguish. But that is a minor issue...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 13.02.22 um 18:53 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
> OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.

I think you don't understand trademarks... ;-)

The source code is free. You can build it with whatever graphics you
want to use.

But you would need to find a new name for it, since you wouldn't be
allowed to call it OpenOffice.

>
> Cordially.
>
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
>
> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
>
>> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
>>> Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make
>> them
>>> slightly more colorful.
>>> Cordially.
>>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>>
>>> PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
>>> gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
>>> Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
>> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
>> changed in the near future.
>>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 Hi,

 Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
 If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
 I'm
 sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
 switch
 between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
 available.
>> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> https://iconoir.com/
 This does not refer to Industrial, I think?

 But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
 people to do the actual work. ;-)

 (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
 License)

 Regards,

Matthias

> :-)
>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

Reassure me, we can at least change the icons of Writer, Impress, Calc,
Draw, Base and Math?


Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:53, Corentin Verbrèghe <
corentin.verbreg...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough. OpenOffice is 
> therefore not entirely free.
>
> Cordially.
>
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
>
> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
>
>> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
>> > Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make
>> them
>> > slightly more colorful.
>> > Cordially.
>> > Manjiro (Corentin)
>> >
>> > PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
>> > gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
>> > Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
>> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
>> changed in the near future.
>> >
>> > Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
>> > a écrit :
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>> >> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
>> >> I'm
>> >> sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
>> >> switch
>> >> between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>> >> available.
>>  BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
>> >>> Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
>> >>> https://iconoir.com/
>> >> This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
>> >>
>> >> But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
>> >> people to do the actual work. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
>> >> License)
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >>Matthias
>> >>
>> >>> :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> -
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>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>

Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

It's a shame... The logo is much too flat, not dynamic enough.
OpenOffice is therefore not entirely free.

Cordially.

Manjiro (Corentin)


Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:33, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :

> Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make
> them
> > slightly more colorful.
> > Cordially.
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> > PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
> > gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
> > Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
> The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
> changed in the near future.
> >
> > Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
> >> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
> >> I'm
> >> sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
> >> switch
> >> between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
> >> available.
>  BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> >>> Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> >>> https://iconoir.com/
> >> This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
> >>
> >> But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
> >> people to do the actual work. ;-)
> >>
> >> (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
> >> License)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>Matthias
> >>
> >>> :-)
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Re: [openoffice] branch AOO41X updated: Add support for Azul JDK's

[Arrigo Marchiori]

Hello Matthias,

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi Arrigo,
> 
> Am 13.02.22 um 17:22 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> > Hello Matthias, All,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 08:15:32PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Arrigo,
> >>
> >> Same here: Would this also be wanted in trunk and AOO42X?
> > I think so. This commit had to be adjusted because AOO42X and trunk do
> > not seem to support Java 1.7, whereas AOO41X did.
> >
> > I merged the other one about the `tmp' folder.
> >
> > Thank you for pointing this out! My bad; I should not work on trunk
> > directly...
> 
> No problem, I just want to have the branches in sync as much as possible.

Sure!

[...]

> The fix for "Azul" is just for building?
> 
> I ask, because on Windows the Azul JDK is already detected. But it is
> listed as "OpenJDK" like the one from Adoptium. Maybe we can make that
> list a bit more clear?

The commit changes the logic that selects whether "mac.java.path"
shall be set to "mac.oracle.java.path" or "mac.apple.java.path".

Apparently, there are two ``families'' of JDK's under macOS, and each
family keeps its base classes in a different path.

This edit only affects building under macOS.

Do you suggest that an explanation like the above shall be integrated
into the file as a comment?

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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 13.02.22 um 18:28 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make them
> slightly more colorful.
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
> PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
> gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
> Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice
The OpenOffice Orb is a trademark. It is unlikely that it will be
changed in the near future.
>
> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
>> I'm
>> sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
>> switch
>> between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>> available.
 BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
>>> Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
>>> https://iconoir.com/
>> This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
>>
>> But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
>> people to do the actual work. ;-)
>>
>> (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
>> License)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>>> :-)
>>>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

Thank you for the icon pack proposals, they should be modified to make them
slightly more colorful.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

PS: I created the icon-logo of OpenOffice for the moment, I just added a
gradient but I find that the logo is too flat.
Available here : https://manjiro.wixsite.com/brandnewopenoffice

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 18:06, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
>  If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
>  I'm
>  sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
>  switch
>  between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>  available.
> >> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> > Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> > https://iconoir.com/
>
> This does not refer to Industrial, I think?
>
> But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
> people to do the actual work. ;-)
>
> (https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
> License)
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
> > :-)
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
>
>

Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 13.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Bidouille:
 If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
 I'm
 sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
 switch
 between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
 available.
>> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...
> Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
> https://iconoir.com/

This does not refer to Industrial, I think?

But we do have enough icon libraries to choose from, it just needs
people to do the actual work. ;-)

(https://remixicon.com/ is one of them and is distributed under Apache
License)

Regards,

   Matthias

> :-)
>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Bidouille]

> >> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance,
> >> I'm
> >> sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could
> >> switch
> >> between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
> >> available.
> BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...

Idea: creating a new set of icons with this resource
https://iconoir.com/
:-)

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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi all,

Am 13.02.22 um 15:59 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>
> On 13.02.22 13:53, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:42:12 +0100
>> Corentin Verbrèghe  wrote:
>>
>>> It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered
>>> there as
>>> almost “dead”.
>>> Cordially.
>>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>
>> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance, I'm
>> sure all would welcome this; it would be good that one could switch
>> between one them and another, so that the older theme was also
>> available.
> +1!

BTW: The "Industrial" icon set is still missing a lot of icons...

Matthias

>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel
>>> 
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 A more significant portion of people does not think so.

 Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> Hi,
> A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is
> out of
> date.
>
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
> Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a
> écrit
 :
>> Hi Corentin,
>>
>> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
>>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
 wish
>>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
>>> Cordially.
>>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>>
>>>
>> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
>> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something
>> else?
>>
>> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
>>
>> And we're very much not dead :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
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Re: [openoffice] branch AOO41X updated: Add support for Azul JDK's

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Arrigo,

Am 13.02.22 um 17:22 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello Matthias, All,
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 08:15:32PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi Arrigo,
>>
>> Same here: Would this also be wanted in trunk and AOO42X?
> I think so. This commit had to be adjusted because AOO42X and trunk do
> not seem to support Java 1.7, whereas AOO41X did.
>
> I merged the other one about the `tmp' folder.
>
> Thank you for pointing this out! My bad; I should not work on trunk
> directly...

No problem, I just want to have the branches in sync as much as possible.

We once had a Bugzilla issue for AOO42X that was fixed long ago on trunk
but was not backported.
Took me some time to realize that.

The fix for "Azul" is just for building?

I ask, because on Windows the Azul JDK is already detected. But it is
listed as "OpenJDK" like the one from Adoptium. Maybe we can make that
list a bit more clear?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Best regards,



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Re: [openoffice] branch AOO41X updated: Add support for Azul JDK's

[Arrigo Marchiori]

Hello Matthias, All,

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 08:15:32PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi Arrigo,
> 
> Same here: Would this also be wanted in trunk and AOO42X?

I think so. This commit had to be adjusted because AOO42X and trunk do
not seem to support Java 1.7, whereas AOO41X did.

I merged the other one about the `tmp' folder.

Thank you for pointing this out! My bad; I should not work on trunk
directly...

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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Peter Kovacs]

On 13.02.22 13:53, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:42:12 +0100
Corentin Verbrèghe  wrote:


It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered there as
almost “dead”.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)


If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance, I'm sure all 
would welcome this; it would be good that one could switch between one them and 
another, so that the older theme was also available.

+1!


Rory



Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :


A more significant portion of people does not think so.

Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:

Hi,
A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
date.

Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit

:

Hi Corentin,

On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:

My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I

wish

OpenOffice would come alive again.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)



I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?

Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.

And we're very much not dead :)

Best regards,
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Rory,

Am 13.02.22 um 13:53 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:42:12 +0100
> Corentin Verbrèghe  wrote:
>
>> It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered there as
>> almost “dead”.
>> Cordially.
>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
> If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance, I'm sure all 
> would welcome this; it would be good that one could switch between one them 
> and another, so that the older theme was also available. 

It was discussed that we at least need an additional icon set for "dark
mode". Unfortunately nobody stepped up for the work.

Maybe Corentin can do it, but I haven't seen any of his work yet.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Rory
>
>
>> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> A more significant portion of people does not think so.
>>>
>>> Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
 Hi,
 A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
 date.

 Cordially.
 Manjiro (Corentin)

 Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit
>>> :
> Hi Corentin,
>
> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
>>> wish
>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
>> Cordially.
>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>
>>
> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?
>
> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
>
> And we're very much not dead :)
>
> Best regards,
> Carl
>
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:42:12 +0100
Corentin Verbrèghe  wrote:

> It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered there as
> almost “dead”.
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)


If what you consider doing is a remake of icons and appearance, I'm sure all 
would welcome this; it would be good that one could switch between one them and 
another, so that the older theme was also available. 

Rory


> 
> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
> 
> > A more significant portion of people does not think so.
> >
> > Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > > Hi,
> > > A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
> > > date.
> > >
> > > Cordially.
> > > Manjiro (Corentin)
> > >
> > > Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit
> > :
> > >
> > >> Hi Corentin,
> > >>
> > >> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
> > >>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
> > wish
> > >>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
> > >>> Cordially.
> > >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
> > >> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?
> > >>
> > >> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
> > >>
> > >> And we're very much not dead :)
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -
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> > >>
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> >


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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

So you can officially speak for France? Interesting that most of our
downloads come from France:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.11/stats/timeline

However, I am curious about your artwork. Can you present something?

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 13.02.22 um 13:42 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered there as
> almost “dead”.
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
> Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
>
>> A more significant portion of people does not think so.
>>
>> Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
>>> Hi,
>>> A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
>>> date.
>>>
>>> Cordially.
>>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>>
>>> Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit
>> :
 Hi Corentin,

 On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
>> wish
> OpenOffice would come alive again.
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
>
 I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
 Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?

 Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.

 And we're very much not dead :)

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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

It's the opposite in France in any case, OpenOffice is considered there as
almost “dead”.
Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le dim. 13 févr. 2022 à 12:33, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :

> A more significant portion of people does not think so.
>
> Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > Hi,
> > A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
> > date.
> >
> > Cordially.
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> > Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit
> :
> >
> >> Hi Corentin,
> >>
> >> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
> >>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
> wish
> >>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
> >>> Cordially.
> >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
> >> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?
> >>
> >> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
> >>
> >> And we're very much not dead :)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Matthias Seidel]

A more significant portion of people does not think so.

Am 13.02.22 um 11:14 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> Hi,
> A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
> date.
>
> Cordially.
> Manjiro (Corentin)
>
> Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit :
>
>> Hi Corentin,
>>
>> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
>>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I wish
>>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
>>> Cordially.
>>> Manjiro (Corentin)
>>>
>>>
>> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
>> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?
>>
>> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
>>
>> And we're very much not dead :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

Hi,
A significant portion of people outside the project believe it is out of
date.

Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin)

Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 20:19, Carl Marcum  a écrit :

> Hi Corentin,
>
> On 2/12/22 1:45 PM, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
> > My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I wish
> > OpenOffice would come alive again.
> > Cordially.
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> >
>
> I'm not sure what you are proposing to work on.
> Is it a website, logos, the office program itself, or something else?
>
> Maybe you could start by letting us know what you propose and why.
>
> And we're very much not dead :)
>
> Best regards,
> Carl
>
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice wordmark exploration (yet without the "Apache" mention)

[Corentin Verbrèghe]

Hi,
I'm talking about a redesign in all levels including graphics (icons,
logos, etc.).

Cordially.
Manjiro (Corentin

Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 22:38, Peter Kovacs  a écrit :

> Welcome Corentin Verbrèghe!
>
> On 12.02.22 22:04, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote:
> > What I mean is that on OpenOffice there aren't really any “big” updates
> > anymore.
>
> What do you define by "big updates"?
>
> Our "big update" needs help by solving this issues:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0
>
> We need also to look into ODF 1.3.
>
> There are 2 Ideas for OOXML.
>
> I have some other topics in the hand if you are more interested in
> different stuff.
>
> All the best
>
> Peter
>
> > Cordially.
> > Manjiro (Corentin)
> >
> > Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 19:54, Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Hi Corentin,
> >>
> >> Am 12.02.22 um 19:45 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> >>> My project is to make OpenOffice better, more current, more cool. I
> wish
> >>> OpenOffice would come alive again.
> >> "alive again"?
> >>
> >> But your help is welcome, this is a community project, so everyone can
> >> contribute.
> >>
> >>> Cordially.
> >>> Manjiro (Corentin)
> >>>
> >>> Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 18:31, Matthias Seidel <
> >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> >>> a écrit :
> >>>
>  I still don't know what to think, since there isn't much to see...
> 
>  What is your intention? Maybe you could just write a little bit?
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Matthias
> 
>  Am 12.02.22 um 18:15 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> > I finally deposited it on a site created for that, it is available
> here
> > .
> > Regards,
> > Corentin
> >
> > Le sam. 12 févr. 2022 à 13:16, Matthias Seidel <
>  matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Yes, we have...
> >>
> >> Upload the image to whatever cloud service you use and send a link.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias
> >> Am 12.02.22 um 12:26 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe:
> >>
> >> Have you received my message ?
> >>
> >> Le ven. 11 févr. 2022 à 08:05, Corentin Verbrèghe <
> >> corentin.verbreg...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Where can I send it?
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Corentin Verbrèghe
> >>>
> >>> Le jeu. 10 févr. 2022 à 21:16, Matthias Seidel <
> >>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> a écrit :
> >>>
>  Hi Corentin,
> 
>  I don't know what to think because your attachment doesn't come
>  through
>  on the mailing list. ;-)
> 
>  Can you provide it in another way?
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Matthias
>  Am 10.02.22 um 20:44 schrieb Corentin Verbreghe:
> 
>  What do you think ?
> 
>  Le jeu. 10 févr. 2022 à 20:00, Corentin Verbreghe <
>  corentin.verbreg...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> > Hi, there's an exploration for the AOO wordmark.
> > [image: image.png]
> > Don't hesitate to give your opinion.
> > Cordially.
> > Corentin Verbrèghe
> >
> >>
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