Re: Icons proposal

[Dave Barton]

No apology necessary. Been there and done that myself too many times.
Side note: I actually like the design.
Regards
Dave

On 15/04/2023 18:00, Xavier Verbrèghe wrote:
> Sorry Dave and Bidouille for my anger ;-)
> 
> Le sam. 15 avr. 2023 à 18:59, Xavier Verbrèghe <
> corentin.verbreg...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
>> Sorry for my outburst, do you think that despite the fact that there is a
>> slight resemblance to the icons of LO, these would be good icons? Have a
>> nice day
>> Regards,
>> Manjiro5
>>
>> Le jeu. 13 avr. 2023 à 21:42, Dave Fisher  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Xavier,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your proposed icons. I’m sorry that your response to a live
>>> discussion about them has caused you to claim that AOO is dead.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Apr 13, 2023, at 7:02 AM, Xavier Verbrèghe <
>>> corentin.verbreg...@gmail.com> wrote:

 At least LibreOffice is not dead unlike AOO and its dated appearance
>>> has
 finished it. LO used AOO and not the other way around, so we can change.
 Furthermore, LO and AOO will not be confused because it is absurd to
>>> have
 the 2 software on your computer. I understand your attachment to the AOO
 from a decade ago

> Le jeu. 13 avr. 2023 à 15:13, Dave  a écrit :
>
>
>
>> On 10/04/2023 19:56, Xavier Verbreghe wrote:
>> Hi, I wanted to show you the icons I made to potentially replace the
>>> AOO
>> base icons in the future.
>>
>> I made icons for software (Writer, Base, Draw, Math, Impress, Calc),
>>> but
>> also for different filetypes.
>>
>> Could you take a look and tell me what you think?
>>
>> I am making an icon pack for the interior of the different software.
>>
>> Here’s the link to see my proposal :
>>
>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zaocgHeB30J5J-IGLnXAEPdeGKc075Iz?usp=sharing
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manjiro5
>> Corentin VERBREGHE
>
> Possible user confusion. Icons look very like LO with gulls added.
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Re: Editing Website

[Dave Barton]

Thanks Dave. Obviously I wasn't paying attention when the change was
made. It's getting late here, so I take a look at the info you have
given tomorrow.

Regards
Dave

On 24/01/2023 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> That is very much obsolete and the Apache CMS has been deprecated for well 
> over a year.
> 
> The project site and OpenOffice.org are both in GitHub and using ASF Pelican:
> 
> See https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project and 
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org - the README.md files have 
> instructions.
> 
> Best,
> Dave
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>> It's been a while since I last edited pages on the website. I previously
>> edited pages using the browser-based editing workflow as described here:
>> https://openoffice.apache.org/docs/edit-cms.html#browser-based-editing-workflow
>> Now when I go to edit a page clicking my JavaScript bookmarklet returns:
>> can’t connect to the server at cms.apache.org.
>>
>> Did I miss the memo about some change in this procedure, or is there
>> another problem?
>>
>> TIA
>> Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

[Dave Barton]

Hi Marcus

On 09/11/2021 23:48, Marcus wrote:
> However, I'm curious to know what you mean with "... why moderators
> should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role within the ASF ..."
> and why you think there is something secret?

The answer to that "baited" question is: Everybody with any kind of role
within the ASF can be identified, EXCEPT MODERATORS,
Unidentified = Hidden = Secret.

> A moderator is just a committer as you and me. Some are also a PMC
> member or maybe also supporter/committer/member of other ASF projects.
> But thats it.

Since moderators are unidentified, I cannot say with any certainty if it
is still the case, but I have reason to believe that in years past there
have been one or more moderators who were not also committers. It's not
clear to me how that is/was possible, but Rob Weir advised me of this
when I first became a moderator.

I would very much appreciate that you stop publicly lecturing me about
how the ASF is structured. I joined this project at the same time as you
and possibly a little before you. So I understand how things work, even
if I do not always agree with "The Apache Way".

> I volunteer to create a Wiki page to show who is moderating which
> mailing list(s) - if the community think it has a value.

Since your offer is buried within a thread that most subscribers have
long since tired of, I doubt that you will get much, if any, feedback.

> Marcus

> On 10/11/2021 04:25, Dave Fisher wrote
>>> That’s ok as long as it is made clear NOT to ever contact moderator
>>> directly about the mailing list>>>
>>> I hope you see the conundrum being presented.

The inbox of all moderators receive posts to owner-, which
effectively is direct contact, but if it is a matter of concern, let's
leave the status quo.

I really would like to end my involvement in this thread now.

Dave


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Re: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position

[Dave Barton]

On 28/04/2021 10:53, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: DaveB [mailto:b...@apache.org] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:25 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a 
>> fixed position
>>
>> On 28/04/2021 09:59, Pedro Lino wrote:
>>> Hi Peter
>>>
 On 04/28/2021 3:27 AM Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>>
 I have been asked on Facebook, and I found a forum thread 
>> if there is a 
 feature that interprets the entry of numbers the last 2 
>> numbers as digits.
>>>
 Any Ideas, or inputs? Does LO maybe have done this? (I 
>> could not find 
 any hints.)
>>>
>>> That is a simple calculation that can be done in two 
>> columns. Just type the number in one column without the dot 
>> (although I don't see that pressing an extra key would slow 
>> down any typist) and then on the next column divide it by 100.
>>>
>>> I think this is a simple user problem, not a dev issue...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>>
>> Or a more simple solution = Format Cells
> 
> Really not, no formatting is able to change a value. Sure, you can compensate 
> for this during further calculation (for example =SUM(D1:D10)/100 instead of 
> =SUM(D1:D10)), but who wants to work like that? 
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Jörg

You are creating an issue where a problem does not exist. Using your
example Cells D1:D12 formatted as numbers with zero decimal places means
that only integer values are entered in those cells. Fill cells D1:D10
with the integer value 1234 and in cell D12 enter =SUM(D1:D10) which
returns the result 12,340

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Re: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position

[Dave Barton]

On 28/04/2021 10:52, Pedro Lino wrote:
> 
>> On 04/28/2021 10:24 AM DaveB  wrote:
> 
>> Or a more simple solution = Format Cells
> 
> Format cells changes the appearance, not the value. How would you use Format 
> cells to modify the last two digits?

Go back to the issue Peter raised; "If you enter 1234 Calc will enter
12.34 in the cell". When cells are formatted as numbers with zero
decimal  places, typing 1234 will NEVER change the value to 12.34. The
cell value will always be an integer.

Dave

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Re: Subscribe to Questions and Answers

[Dave Barton]

Hi Tammy,

Just to expand a little on Peter's information:

If you wish to take part in the project's activities (eg. coding,
documentation, user support, etc.) the points of contact can be found
here: https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

If you wish to ask and answer user questions the most appropriate list
is: us...@openoffice.apache.org As Peter explained you are not required
to subscribe to this or any list, but if you do not subscribe your
postings have to be processed through moderation and you will not
automatically receive copies of your posts or any replies.

Kind Regards
Dave

 Original Message 
From: Tammy Curtis 
To: Peter kovacs 
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 06:18:43 -0600

> Thank you for your response.
>
> Tammy
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 12:12 AM Peter kovacs  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tammy Curtis,
>>
>> You can simply send your questions to the List, there is no need in
>> subscribing in order to get some answers. But if you like to read our List
>> or want to participate you are welcome to subscribe. This is a public
>> project. It is open to anyone.
>>
>> All the best
>> Peter
>>
>> Am 23. September 2018 20:46:04 MESZ schrieb Tammy Curtis <
>> curtis7...@gmail.com>:
>>> May I subscribe to get questions and answers?
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: Spreadsheet

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: ed tinervin 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:48:23 + (utc)

> I have not found anything to tell me how to print the cell lines in the 
> spreadsheet. Can you help Thanks

Hi Ed,

How-to questions like this are best addressed to the user support list
us...@openoffice.apache.org

You can find the answer to your question by clicking on the Calc Help
menu or pressing the F1 function key on your keyboard, then type grids.

Summary: From the Calc menu select "Format Page..." and in the dialog
(window) that opens click to tick/check the "Grid" under the "Print"
option of the "Sheet" tab.

Hope this helps.

Dave

-- 
Give a man a fish to feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed
him for a lifetime.

Re: [VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President for Apache OpenOffice

[Dave Barton]

On 15.09.2016 17:35, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> [BCC to PMC]
> 
> RESOLUTION: That Marcus Lange (marcus) be recommended to the
> Apache Software Foundation Board to serve as Vice President 
> for Apache OpenOffice.  
> 
> The Vice President for Apache OpenOffice serves in accordance with and 
> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the 
> Foundation.  The Vice President for Apache OpenOffice is the Chair of the 
> OpenOffice Project Management Committee.
> 
> Please vote by reply to this dev@-list thread on approval of the resolution.
> 
>  [ x ] +1 Approve
>  [  ]  0 Abstain
>  [  ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation

Dave


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Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Dave Barton]

I am an a moderator for this and other AOO lists. Feel free to add me to
the list of moderators.

Regards
Dave

 Original Message  
From: Patricia Shanahan 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:51:18 -0700
> Thanks. Any views on whether the archive should be private or public?
> 
> Alternative volunteer for moderator?
> 
> On 9/2/2016 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> If you can send me a pointer to documentation on the correct moderator
>>> tools, I can also do that. How soon can we get the list started?
>>
>> Request form is here: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq and
>> requests are usually honored within 48 hours.
>>
>> You'll have to specify a second moderator. I'm not so inclined to be
>> one, but if this speeds up things feel free to put my Apache e-mail
>> address there, at least for the time being (next month or so).
>>
>>> to strike while the iron is hot, and we can get a lot of publicity for
>>> an appeal for developers.
>>
>> I'm unsure about this. As you have seen in the last 24 hours, visibility
>> is only given to what the journalist/blogger likes.
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.



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Re: Spam hitting the list servers

[Dave Barton]

If I and/or the other moderators were to allow a fraction of the crap
through to to the list you would not have to ask that question.

Yes, thank you. All committers and moderators are familiar with the link
you provided.

Dave

 Original Message  
From: Geoffrey Corey
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:57:35 -0800

> Are the emails actually getting through to the list? Or is this just
> moderation emails?
> 
> Also, have you seen this?: https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#spam
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
>> Am 12/04/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Dave:
>>
>>> The level of spam arriving on our list servers has been steadily
>>> increasing. A couple of years ago moderators might have to filter a
>>> dozen or so attempted spam posts per day sent to the dev, marketing,
>>> doc, api&  users lists. Now this can sometimes be the hourly count.
>>> Today, the dev list server is being hit with a flood attack from a
>>> Google+ account running into hundreds per hour.
>>>
>>> Is there any specific Infra contact who can deal with this, or should I
>>> simply submit a general Infra ticket?
>>>
>>
>> thanks for bringing this to our attention.
>>
>> I've set Infra into CC, so that e don't loose time and the first can give
>> you an answer what to do as quick help.
>>
>> Marcus




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Re: Spam hitting the list servers

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Marcus
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:49:29 +0100

> Am 12/04/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Dave:
>> The level of spam arriving on our list servers has been steadily
>> increasing. A couple of years ago moderators might have to filter a
>> dozen or so attempted spam posts per day sent to the dev, marketing,
>> doc, api&  users lists. Now this can sometimes be the hourly count.
>> Today, the dev list server is being hit with a flood attack from a
>> Google+ account running into hundreds per hour.
>>
>> Is there any specific Infra contact who can deal with this, or should I
>> simply submit a general Infra ticket?
> 
> thanks for bringing this to our attention.
> 
> I've set Infra into CC, so that e don't loose time and the first can
> give you an answer what to do as quick help.
> 
> Marcus

Thanks Marcus. I have been in touch with Google asking them to
investigate. It may just be coincidence, but the flood attack appears to
have stopped, for now.

I would still like to find out from Infra if anything can be done to
improve our spam filtering.

Dave



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SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Philippe Roig
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 13:25:35 +0100

> Bonjour,
> 
> Je possède un ordinateur avec Windows 10.
> 
> J’ai voulu télécharger la nouvelle mise à jour 4.1.2 mais pendant
> l’installation le téléchargement m’a imposé d’installer vidéo
> converter sans possibilité de refuser j’ai finalement accepté mais le
> téléchargement de cette application se plante et l’installation
> s’arrête.
> 
> En conclusion je ne peux pas installer la nouvelle mise à jour à
> cause de l’imposition de vidéo converter.
> 
> Cordialement
> 
> Philippe Roig

The English translation of Philippe's message is:
===
Hello,
I have a computer with Windows 10.
I wanted to download the new update 4.1.2 but during installation
download directs me to install video converter, without the possibility
of refusing I finally agreed, but downloading this application crashes
and installation stops.
Consequently I can not install the new update due to the imposition of
video converter.
Best regards
Philippe Roig
===

Is it not time to _*SERIOUSLY*_ review the distribution of our binaries
via SourceForge?

Rory O'Farrell and others dutifully expend their valuable time advising
"unaware" users NOT to click on download links and buttons after they
are redirected to the SourceForge mirror page. While commendable, this
is a "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" approach.

No matter what efforts SourceForge make to "weed out" fraudulent and
malware links, our mailing lists and forums continue to receive a steady
stream of download problem messages from "unaware" users.

There is no way to prove this discourages individuals and organizations
from using AOO software, but continuously published reports of AOO
distributing "unwanted" and/or "malware" programs reflects badly on us
and by association the ASF.

I have no personal "gripe" against SourceForge and Roberto Galoppini's
support in this area is invaluable. However, I do not understand, or
find any reasonable explanation, why our download page does not redirect
to the ASF's own mirror network:
https://www.apache.org/mirrors/
where our binaries are already being served by 200+ mirrors around the
world.

Dave




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Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

[Dave Barton]

[X]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair (Non-Binding)



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Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Marcus
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:16:35 +0200

 Am 06/28/2015 08:29 AM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
 On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:35:10 -0430
 Alex Oliveiraaqol...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Dear Sir,

 Do you have plans to make OpenOffice compatible with Windows 10 (
 32/64 )
 ???

 Thank you very much,

 Alex Oliveira

 Reports on the opeOffice en-Forum are that OpenOffice  runs on Windows
 10 (in 32 bit mode). See this thread:
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=77464
 
 that's great. Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at
 http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html;?
 
 Marcus

Go ahead. I have been testing 4.1.1 on Win 10 Preview (32  64) for a
few months and found no issues that are not already present when run on
Win 7, 8.0, 8.1. If anything it runs better on Win 10, but that's my
subjective view.

Dave




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Re: Questions

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
To: Apache OpenOffice Developer dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 01:52:30 -0500

 On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Dave Bridges i...@polka.co.za wrote:

 None of the free support sites tell you how to ask a question. My
 questions are:
 1. How do I ask a question about Open Office; and
 2. When one has two workbooks open does Open Office have a commend such as
 the Excel arrange so that you can view both simultaneously?

 Kind regards
 DAVE BRIDGES
 I recomend using forum.openoffice.org

 For your other question each workbook is indeendent from each other, your
 desktop environment might take care of that.

Hi Dave,

Expanding a little on Alexandro's answer.

 1. The Community Support page
http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html#community-support is
linked from the home page. That page displays links to four of the
main support options, each of which has advice about posting
questions and/or reports about the software.

 2. Assuming MS Windows, although other OS (Operating Systems - eg.
Linux, Mac, Solaris, etc.) probably offer a similar function:
  * Minimize all open windows *_except_* the two workbooks.
  * Right click in a vacant area of the OS Task Bar.
  * From the context (pop-up) menu that opens select Show windows
side by side.

You are not subscribed to this. If you wish to reply, please post only
to dev@openoffice.apache.org not to me directly.

Regards
Dave

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 On 07/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote:
 Simon Phipps wrote:
 when one does not have access to the privileged
 conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as
 justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions
 
 Well, if it is true (and it is true) that the private list is visible to
 400+ people (more than this list's subscribers) and that, while mistakes
 are surely possible and surely have happened, the private list is not
 being abused and discussions that do not belong there are often moved to
 the dev list with full context, then I feel it's important to point it
 out. You are suggesting a usage pattern of the private list that is far
 beyond reality.
 
 Apache OpenOffice is a model of transparency compared to other, even
 open source, projects. The importance some people give to private
 conversations is really, really exaggerated. But if we continue
 discussing this we fall easily in a conspiracy theory model, so I
 prefer that we get more concrete. On my behalf, be reassured that when I
 see a private conversation that ought to be public I will point it out.

I have not and as far as I can tell neither has Simon, claimed a general
lack of transparency within the project and I totally reject your
suggestion that I have made any exaggerated claims or I am touting
some kind of conspiracy theory. However, there was a failure of
communication in the original PMC FAQ update thread.

 +100%
 Thank you Simon.
 
 What about actually doing something?

Is such a hostile and insulting attack necessary?

When I first posted to the original thread I had already collected the
information I thought was being asked for and was ready to  ACTUALLY DO
SOMETHING by updating the page, if that was acceptable.

 You Simon and Dave combined already
 have all privileges needed to keep the page with moderators' names
 updated if you believe it's really important for you. If you two pledge
 to keep it updated, I, for one, will see my primary reason for removing
 names (i.e., they are blatantly outdated) addressed. If you are willing
 to help, we can surely fix details.

This is no longer about the trivial issue of keeping moderator's names
on a page, or if Simon and I think it is important. The decision on that
matter has been taken and as far as I am concerned it is now closed.

The issue here is that in the original thread both Simon and I asked
totally innocent, non-controversial questions and received answers which
ranged from, the information is already there (if you know where to find
it), to being accused of being on some kind of name publishing ego trip.

I do not question that the ASF strives to be open and transparent, but
in the area of community building the AOO project is sadly lacking.
Comments, such as you have expressed here are, to say the least,
discouraging.

 Regards,
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Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

Simon Phipps wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:
 
 I'll ask one more time.  What action is expected here on dev@ to impact
 how the PMC uses private@ ?

 
 I don't think there is any action that can be taken on dev@ beyond pointing
 out to others here that, when one does not have access to the privileged
 conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as
 justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions when
 simple and reasonable questions are asked about them.
 
 Hopefully, recognising how much harm the resulting atmosphere of mistrust
 does to the project will be remembered. Then PMC members will be heard in
 the future when they ask that private@ conversations be reiterated or
 summarised and then continued on dev@.  Note that just continuing
 converstaion is not enough; all dev@ members need to understand the full
 context rather than being belittled for not knowing it.
 
 S.

+100%

Thank you Simon.

Dave



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Re: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 05/03/15 15:04, Louis Su�rez-Potts wrote:

 On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:


 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.

 I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
 moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
 where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
 moderator
 names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
 https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?


 I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
 of
 the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
 please?


 Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@

 Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
 published where it is not really needed or beneficial.


 Obviously I wasn't party to the private discussion, but that seems an odd
 decision in a community that's so transparent in its intent an
 implementation. I suggest the lists of moderators be made available
 somewhere because:

   - The identities of the list moderators seem very hard to determine by
   any other means
   - This mode of contribution gets little enough recognition as it is, and
   the people contributing this way should be recognised.

 Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
 individual names.


 There is a private@ list but we still publish the names of the PMC
 members...

 S.

 I agree with Simon.

 -louis

 
 I agree that contributions should be recognized but moderator of mailing
 lists is of course a low burner. Keeping the info up-to-date requires
 more work and the benefit is really low.
 
 If somebody want his name listed we can of course do that, I think it is
 not important here and real contributors have their stage somewhere else.
 
 But who knows finding 100 more moderator is potentially easier than
 finding 100 new developers and we can shine with 100 new contributors.
 If we have a limit per list I step back as moderator ;-)
 
 Juergen (still smiling)

OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has
become clouded in misunderstanding and mistranslated into some kind of
bike-shedding subject.

It is _NOT_ about anyone WANTING to be recognised, or having their name
listed somewhere.

It is _NOT_ about limiting the number of moderators and there is no need
for any existing moderators to step back.

There is _NO_ need to show moderators email addresses, the list owner
address works perfectly well.

It is _NOT_ important where the information is made available.

The one and only thing I suggested is that we have a simple, easy way
for any of us to check  ensure that we have adequate list moderator
coverage.

Maintenance of the information is trivial:
1. A new moderator is authorised and at the same time his name is added
to the page.
2. An existing moderator opts-out of the responsibility and at the same
time his name is removed from the page.

Dave (a bit frustrated, but still smiling)






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Re: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

jan i wrote:
 On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
 jan i wrote:
 On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com javascript:;
 wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net
 javascript:; wrote:


 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 javascript:;
 wrote:

 I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.

 I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
 moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
 where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
 moderator
 names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
 https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?


 I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
 of
 the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
 please?


 Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@

 Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
 published where it is not really needed or beneficial.

 Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
 individual names.

 rgds
 jan i.

 With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
 internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
 https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
 
 yeah but that does not tell which mailing lists we listen in on and a lot
 of other things we do, it does e,g. not tell that I am AOO Chair.

Rubbish! Another public page:
https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jani
Clearly and unequivocally states:
Q jani Jan Iversen corinthia, incubator, incubator-pmc,
infrastructure, infrastructure-interest, labs, labs-pmc, member,
openoffice, openoffice-pmc, pmc-chairs, tac-pmc /Q

See also:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#pmc-chairs

Sorry, but I don't get your point about which mailing lists we listen
in on and a lot of other things we do. Who cares, but you make it
sounds like you have something to hide. Also, who are we in this
context, PMC members, project members, or everybody?


 Our Mailing List page states:
 Q Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human moderators./Q

 Without referring to private information you or the PMC may hold tell
 me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
 list?

 Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?
 
 no way, but this is simply an information that has no relevance in my
 opinion.
 
 If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
 publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the
 people.

It was published for years, so why now do we have something to hide?

 My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
 forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok
 because it would be their own choice.
 
 rgds
 jan i

Again, I don't understand forced to participate. Nobody is forced to
participate in this project by simply identifying the role they have
volunteered to undertake.

Your concerns are unfounded, Simon Phipps, myself and other moderators
openly publish our identities and email addresses on this list and other
public forums, so why would we become delicate sensitive little things
about our names being published for a useful purpose.

Cut to the chase:
You did not answer my question about the names of the TWO moderators for
our API mailing list because:
1. You don't know.
2. There is only ONE moderator for that list.
3. This information is not publicly available.

My reason for persisting with this somewhat trivial issue is that we
(those with an interest in project at large, not just Infra, the PMC, or
some other sacred inner sanctum) would not have a ready source of
reference if moderation, for whatever reason, ceased. Unlikely in the
case of the dev list, but a definite possibility for the API list if the
one current moderator got run over by a bus.

If it will alleviate your concerns, I will post to the owner of each of
our public lists asking for an affirmative response to the question of
publishing moderator names on the mailing list page.

See also the post from Dennis, who summarises this in more succinct and
less abrasive terms.



 Thanks,

 S.

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Re: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

Kay Schenk wrote:
 
 
 On 02/23/2015 02:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.

 Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as
 e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything else.


 I'm pretty sure there are others - I moderate users@ and marketing@ daily
 for example.
 
 Thanks for the response. I will add you as a moderator for users and
 marketing.

I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?

  Or is that page only supposed to list PMC members in those
 roles?

 S.
 
 I think originally only PMC members were in these roles, and that is
 why the wording might is a bit odd. But, things have changed in this
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Re: PMC FAQ update

[Dave Barton]

jan i wrote:
 On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
 
 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:


 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.

 I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
 moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
 where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
 names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
 https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?


 I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion of
 the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
 please?

 
 Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
 
 Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
 published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
 
 Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
 individual names.
 
 rgds
 jan i.

With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html

Our Mailing List page states:
Q Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human moderators./Q

Without referring to private information you or the PMC may hold tell
me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
list?

Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?


 Thanks,

 S.

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Re: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status

[Dave Barton]

jan i wrote:
 On 13 February 2015 at 08:58, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 All:
 
 My impression was that when Apache Foundation accepted OOo, they also
 accepted the OOo4Kids and OOoLight projects.
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/OOo4Kids says that
 the OOo4Kids has been depreciated, and points to
 http://educoo.org/OOo4Kids.php as the main page.
 
 As far as OOoLight goes, the only hit on the Apache Wiki is
 
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%9E%D0%BE_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8:_%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%9E%D0%9E%D0%BE
 ,
 which is a description of things that can be removed from OOo, to
 improve performance/reduce the CPU/memory requirements.
 
 OOo4Kids 1.3 can be downloaded from
 http://educoo.org/TelechargerOOo4Kids.php, and is licenced under the
 LGPL 3.0.
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/educooo/ lists December 2013 as the date
 of OOo4Kids 1.3.1, as the most recent release.
 
 OOoLight 1.1 can be downloaded from
 http://educoo.org/TelechargerOOoLight.php.
 
 OOoLight_1.1_120609_LinuxIntel_install_rpm.tar.gz is listed at
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/educooo/files/OOoLight/Linux/1.1/en-US/
 with a modification date of 2013-12-30. The sourceforge site implies
 that it is LGPL 3.0.
 
 Were these projects (OOo4Kids, OooLight) included, when OOo became an
 Apache project?
 If so, have they since been abandoned?
 
 
 I cannot see them included in the original IP clearance, so my best guess
 is that they were forgotten, but others might know more.
 
 rgds
 jan i
 
 
 jonathon

These were independent projects forked from OOo. They were not part of
the original IP clearance, because Sun/Oracle never owned them.

Dave


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Re: volunteering

[Dave Barton]

Also check out the New Volunteer Orientation Modules:
https://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

FR web forum wrote:
 Welcome aboard
 Read this: http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
 
 - Mail original -
 De: Cem Sarpel csar...@gmail.com
 À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Envoyé: Mercredi 11 Février 2015 15:14:19
 Objet: volunteering
 
 I want to be a volunteer for your community, but I am neither a programmer
 nor technician. Also my time is limited but I can contribute easy tasks or
 short translations to English-Turkish. I am waiting for your reply.Regards.




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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Dave Barton]

Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as
 the OpenOffice project PMC Chair?
 [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid)
 [ ] Jan Iversen (jani)

[X] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid)

Committer (Non-Binding)

Dave Barton


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Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits

[Dave Barton]

Rob Weir wrote:
 Here's the current total subscribers for the AOO mailing lists I moderate:
 
 announce 11,318
 users 584
 dev 499
 qa 277
 l10n 233
 marketing 173
 api 149
 
 (I'm not a moderator for the doc mailing list, so I can't retrieve that 
 number).
 
 We also have 3,522 Twitter followers, 13,000 Facebook likes and
 7,368 Google+ followers.
 
 And we receive 230,000 visitors to the website per day.
 
 -Rob

doc 147

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Re: AOO4 General videos

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Jim Michaelsjmich...@yahoo.com.INVALID
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:41:27 -0700

 mailman or mailing list confifuration error, causing bounces and me
 getting kicked off because my @yahoo.com doomain is being used as the
 From: address. please fix.

Hi Jim,

Posting a mailing list issue in reply to an unrelated thread is not the
way to request assistance. Please send a copy of a bounce  message to
dev-ow...@openoffice.apache.org so that I or one of the other list
moderators can try to determine what might be causing this.

Regards
Dave



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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Dave Barton]

Chuck Davis wrote:
 I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately
 indicating interest coming from someplace.  If one out of 10 of them
 sticks and becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very
 good position I think.

Agreed.

 My observations regarding LO: 1)  They've copied some features from
 MS Office that make it equally difficult to useIt's not as
 pleasant to use as AOO.

Can you please give some specific examples of what you mean by copied
some features from MS Office?

I have been an OOo user since Sun (theoretically) open sourced the code
and today I use/test both AOO and LO. Can you please enlighten me in
what way LO is more difficult to use than AOO? I am obviously missing
something, because I find them equally pleasant to use.

 It's very unfortunate the distributions have adopted LO in lieu of
 AOO.

That's mainly because a number of the distros were already unhappy about
the control Sun/Oracle held over the code. When TDF/LO was formed some
of code from the (distro driven) Go-OO fork was merged into LO. This
happened well before Oracle gave the OOo trademark and domain name to
the ASF.

 2)  Their constant AOO bashing is a real turn-off for me and I hope 
 others as well.  I don't think I want their people in our camp.

Sorry, but this is just FUD. Ignoring the Weir - Vignoli blog battle and
other external sources, please give examples of Their constant AOO
bashing on any the TDF/LO controlled sources (eg. website, mailing
lists, etc.). For every instance you can sight, I can match two for one
the near vitriol I have seen poured out on this list alone.

In another part of this thread there is talk of better cooperation
between the two projects. Comments such as I don't think I want their
people in our camp. only serve to further promote the silly negative
us  them attitude. It is not a competition, because neither project
is selling anything.

Reality Check: Other than the occasional defector :)) (in both
directions) you don't have to concern yourself about their people
moving into your camp. There is no possibility that TDF is going give
up years of hard work and expense and hand LO over to the ASF, any more
than there is of the ASF handing AOO over to TDF.

 3) They seem to be very proud of getting rid of Java and replacing
 it with Python.  I've looked at Python a little and it seems to me
 any language dependent on indentation rather than syntax is 
 justdumb!  There is nothing wrong with Java -- especially
 now that OpenJDK is the reference implementation and is being worked
 on by every major player except MS.

The movement to get rid of Java has been around even before Sun sold
out to Oracle. There are developers working on AOO code today who are on
record promoting the removal or reduced reliance on Java.

Python is also supported by AOO.

 4)  LO seems to have major QC issues.  The quality is definitely 
 several notches below where AOO rests in my experience.

Is this just fan-boy talk, or can you sight anything to substantiate
this (apparently ill-informed) claim. I closely follow the development
of both projects and my experience is very different to yours.

 These are just my observations as a long time OpenOffice user.  And 
 Apache has some very interesting related projects (i.e. ODF Toolkit) 
 that can propel ODF as a standard reporting framework as well as the 
 new project to read and write OOXML for document exchange.

True. Hopefully it will not be too long before the fruits of these
projects are incorporated into AOO.

The TDF has been closely involved with external projects working on
improvements to the ODF - OOXML document compatibility. I don't have
the details to hand right now, but IIRC the code improvements are, or
will be, made available under Apache License, Version 2.0

 My advice:  stay the course.  Emphasize quality and dependability
 over glitz.  If developers are not attracted to AOO on those terms
 they're not developers the project needs.  Those of us in business
 just need a tool to get our work done and it doesn't need to be fancy
 -- just dependable.  LO falls on it's face at this point.

Please, please, please can we stop this childish nonsense. There is no
reason why we should care, one way or the other, if LO is worse or
better than AOO. Our only interests should be:

1. Making AOO as good as we can possibly make it.

2. Where possible work cooperatively with TDF and others in the interest
of promoting and improving ODF. We already do this on matters of security.

It is highly unlikely that AOO is going to die or disappear in the
foreseeable future and the same holds true for LO. If, for whatever
reason. the existence of TDF/LO upsets anyone here, I suggest they get
over it and move on.

Dave





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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Dave Barton]

JvdBoogaard wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm a enthusiastic user of AOO
 But I have most of the time problems with downloading and installing
 new versions.
 Everytime I have troubles with the so-called quickstarter.

 I do not have enabled the quickstarteroption under Options, Open
 Office, Memory
 In the Taskmanager there is nothing to be found that is related to
 Open Office.
 Sometimes I manage to repair or to remove the old version, but this
 time even that is not possible because of the quickstarter.

 Well, I cannot install AOO 4.1.1 because of the quickstarter.
 I hope you can help me some way.

 I encounter these problems on my desktop pc with Windows 7 and on my
 notebook with Windows 8.1, x64

 greetings, Jan van den Boogaard, The Netherlands

If the Quickstarter icon is visible right click and select Exit.
Otherwise look for soffice.bin or soffice.exe in Task Manager.

Regards
Dave


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Trying to help a users list subscriber

[Dave Barton]

I am trying to help a long time users list subscriber whose emails are
being consistently bounced by our server. His email address definitely
appears in the subscriber list and he is posting from that address. Is
there anyone here with karma to assist with this, or should I contact infra?

TIA

Dave



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Re: Questions

[Dave Barton]

trek...@aol.com wrote:
 This email is written in HTML format. Please enable HTML mode to view this 
 email.

Here is the OP's moderated email in plain text:

I have open office on my computer and this only started today. Every
time I try to open a file - it brings up Filter selection and everyone I
try there is an error. How do I get rid of this so I can open my files I
don't like this? Please hurry I need to open so important files

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Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[Dave Barton]

Reply in-line.

circul...@gmx.com wrote:
 If it is not too late, would it be possible to include an icon in
 Writer to open the paragraph style dialogue? This is a vital tool: It
 is the only foolproof way to fully set up styles, also to check what
 the attributes are.

The icon is already available, just use the customize option. I have
sent you  a pm illustrating the necessary selections.

 At present it is only accessible via the right click menu then
 choosing 'edit paragraph style...' No icon, no menu item.

In the default Format menu there is a Paragraph... option to open
the paragraph style dialog.

 Sorry for the late request: only joined this mailing list a couple of
 days ago, so was entirely unaware this was in train.

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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Dave Barton]

Joan Learmonth wrote:
 Hi,
 I am having a problem with Open Office 4.01.
 I am busy creating a 2015 calendar using the spread sheet, when I go to the 
 Header and type in the month say January this goes across the whole twelve 
 months, go to February and repeat the process it changes everything to 
 February. I have spent hours looking on line how to resolve this and nothing 
 has worked.
 Last year before the upgrade it workedso this is very frustrating, 
 can you email a solution to this problem?

 I look forward to your reply,
 Regards,
 Joan Learmonth

Hi Joan,

What you describe sounds like you are modifying an existing sheet and
you may have moved/removed one or more rows, which in turn has moved the
month cells (what you call The Header) into a row that is a merge of a
number of cells in that row. Try this:

  * Click inside the (header) month cell (eg. January).
  * From Calc's main menu select the /Format - Merge Cells - Merge
and Center Cells/ option.

If my guess is correct, you will then have removed the merge and
reinstated the 12 individual cells.

Hope this helps.

Dave

Re: Remove me

[Dave Barton]

Joe Vancott wrote:
 Remove from this mailing list
 
 Thanks
 
 Jo eVanCott

Wearing my moderator hat, I have answered Joe off-list.




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Re: Please remove me from this mailing list

[Dave Barton]

Jessica Marley wrote:
 Thank you

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Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta (RC)

[Dave Barton]

+1 (non binding)

Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

 The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1573601
 
 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta
 
 The vote starts now and will be open until:
 
 Sunday evening, 9 March: 2014-03-09 11:00pm UTC.
 
 But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
 to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
 members.
 
[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...



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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Mike Perkins mikeperk...@bellsouth.net
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:27:41 -0500

 Tried to update my Open Office.Org3 to get the WPS file extension off my 
 letters/documents.
 I updated to Apache 4.0.1 but nothing works.
 Mike 502 426 8752

Sorry Mike, WPS support has been removed from 4.0.1

I would also mention that this dev list is intended for developer and
project issues. For future reference, a better option would be the user
support page: http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html which lists a
number of user support options, such as documentation, forums, etc.

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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 20:56:03 +

 On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:50:37 +0100
 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
  Original Message  
 From: Mike Perkins mikeperk...@bellsouth.net
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:27:41 -0500

 Tried to update my Open Office.Org3 to get the WPS file extension off my 
 letters/documents.
 I updated to Apache 4.0.1 but nothing works.
 Mike 502 426 8752

 Sorry Mike, WPS support has been removed from 4.0.1

 I would also mention that this dev list is intended for developer and
 project issues. For future reference, a better option would be the user
 support page: http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html which lists a
 number of user support options, such as documentation, forums, etc.

 Dave

 
 It is worth remembering that www.zamzar.com offer a very versatile automatic 
 email conversion service, free for non commercial file quantities, offering 
 conversion from and to a wide range of formats.

Yes, Rory is correct. I have used zamzar.com on several occasions myself.

Dave


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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Dave Barton]

Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:07:19 +0100
 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
  Original Message  
 From: Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
 To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net
 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 20:56:03 +

 On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:50:37 +0100
 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

  Original Message  
 From: Mike Perkins mikeperk...@bellsouth.net
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:27:41 -0500

 Tried to update my Open Office.Org3 to get the WPS file extension off my 
 letters/documents.
 I updated to Apache 4.0.1 but nothing works.
 Mike 502 426 8752

 Sorry Mike, WPS support has been removed from 4.0.1

 I would also mention that this dev list is intended for developer and
 project issues. For future reference, a better option would be the user
 support page: http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html which lists a
 number of user support options, such as documentation, forums, etc.

 Dave


 It is worth remembering that www.zamzar.com offer a very versatile 
 automatic email conversion service, free for non commercial file 
 quantities, offering conversion from and to a wide range of formats.

 Yes, Rory is correct. I have used zamzar.com on several occasions myself.

 Dave
 
 
 Would somebody please copy my suggestion to the OP, as my copy to him has 
 been bounced by spam filter blocking the ISP I use?

My copy to the OP have not been bounced, so he would have seen your
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Re: Help with the Extentions

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: careaboob...@comcast.net
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 23:37:08 + (UTC)

 I have downloaded some extensions and I can not figure out how to get started 
 so I can start using them. I have installed them. 
 
 Carrie A. Williams

Hi Carrie,

You need to tell us which extensions and how (eg. using the Extension
Manager) you installed them. This will enable us to help you get started.

Please only reply to dev@openoffice.apache.org

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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice Calc

[Dave Barton]

Karol Łotocki wrote:
 jest: WILEKIE LITERY
 
 powinno byÄ?: WIELKIE LITERY
 
 
 Â 
 
 Pozdrawiam,
 Karol

This is a moderated post from someone using the Polish user interface.
The original post included a screenshot (removed by the list server) of
a the Calc menu Format - Text Case - UPPERCASE. A very rough
translation:

jest: WILEKIE LITERY = is seeks LETTERS
powinno‡: WILEKIE LITERY = should be? CAPS

It appears they are suggesting our translation is incorrect.

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Re: Malware infection

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Max Merbald max.merb...@gmx.de
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:02:18 +0100

 of course we are grateful for the tip.

Agreed!

 It seems, however, that Dave did not make that clear enough.

From John's reactionary  unnecessarily abusive response, that is
clearly the case.

 He appears to be more annoyed by people who mention trouble with download 
 than with those fraudulent people who provide downloads infected with malware.

100% incorrect! Regrettably, my commentary came across to John and
possibly others, in a way that it was not intended.

 Please be so kind as to tell us from where you downloaded the infected 
 version of OpenOffice

That would be interesting, but of little value. OpenOffice.org, Apache
OpenOffice, LibreOffice and numerous other OSS projects projects have
suffered this kind of fraud since the internet came into existence. Even
if we could cut off this one Google fraudster, he/it would simply
reappear under a different identity, along with hundreds of other
like-minded fraudsters out there.

 Dave conveniently forgot to ask for that.

conveniently... What do you mean by this snotty attitude?

John, do you see how Max's above hopefully innocent comment can be
misinterpreted into something that was not intended. This is one of the
pitfalls of trying to provide user support without the ability to read
the mind of those who pose the question/issue.

 We apologise for the misunderstanding.

+1 from me.

 and hope that by now you found yourself an uninfected download for OpenOffice.

With the wisdom of hindsight, I think we can be confident that this is
the case.

 Yours sincerely
 
 Max 

After more than decade of attempting to provide support and
contributions to the OOo/AOO project, it appears that I lack the ability
to contribute anything worthwhile. Therefore, I will remove myself from
Apache and move on to other interests.

Dave



 

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Re: Malware infection

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: John Barrett Rose wolfh...@aon.at
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:01:27 +0100

 Dear Sirs,
 
 On my recommendation, a friend in Salzburg tried to install
 Openoffice.org on his iMac on Thursday 20 Feb and found it was infected
 with Genieo malware including fake Adobe and fake Java installations.
 
 Manage to clean out the mess, but it left me looking stupid as I have
 had OO.org on my computer for several years without problems.
 
 Be warned.
 
 John Barrett Rose

If whatever it was you installed contained the malware you say, then it
was not Apache OpenOffice and you were hoodwinked into downloading from
a malicious website. Regrettably, this is something that Apache
OpenOffice is unable to prevent.

The only official download website is:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
The download link there will take you to the official SourceForge.net
servers.

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Re: Windows 8.

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Peter Carr pfc1flyf...@cox.net
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:09:18 -0500

 Can Open Office be used on a computer running Windows 8 or 8.1?.
 If so is there any known incompatibility issues?.

Yes it can be used on both. I am using it on XP, Vista, 7, 8  8.1
computers and have not encountered any difference in operation or
performance.

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Re: Typo on New Volunteer Orientation page

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Elly Mo ellym...@mail.com
To: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 06:54:03 -0500

 Hi there, 
 Just to let you know there is a typo on this page  
 http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
 As highlighted below;
 Once you have completed these first two Levels, you will have been exposed 
 to the basic skills that enable you to volunteer as a general contributor, or 
 to dive deeper into a specialized are of the project, like Quality Assurance, 
 Marketing, Translation or Development.'
 *area
 That is all. Love your work and value OpenOffice immensely.
 Kindest Regards, Ellen :)

Hi Ellen,

Thank you for your keen eyed observation. The typo are has now been
corrected to area.

Kindest Regards
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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Piers Awdry pi...@awdry.net
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:03:30 +

 Hi All,
 
 Have just downloaded your OpenOffice onto a MacbookPro with Mavericks OS.
 Followed installation instructions.
 Placed icon in my Applications folder.
 
 BUT, if I click to open I get this message: see attachment.
 
 Can you help?
 
 Many thanks
 
 Piers
 Bath, UK
 
 (just sent incomplete mail by mistake!)

Please see: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290

Your screen capture indicates that you downloaded from sourceforge.net
which is the official source.

Additional information can be found here:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=17

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Re: USING OpenOffice Database

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Copy to Marguerite - Non-Subscribed Poster

 Original Message  
From: Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:26:18 +

 On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:46:44 -0800 (PST)
 Marguerite Singleton msingleto...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I am attempting to set up a form using OpenOffice Base yet I keep getting a 
 message to install JRE (Java Run Environment) and I have yet it is not 
 accepting it. The download completes and I click finish yet when attempting 
 to access the database again the same message keep popping up. What should I 
 do? I am using Windows 7 Home Edition.


 Marguerite Singleton

 You need to install a 32 bit Java. One such is at
 http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=81819
 
 The 32 bit Javas have i586 in their name. After installing this, you should 
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Re: invalid Link

[Dave Barton]

e.bar wrote:
 Hallo,
 
 on this page is a invalid link: 
 http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/faq/writer/
 
 It's on the right frame, below faq the CALC-FAQ , the mistake is the 
 word writer/ in the url : 
 http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/faq/writer/calc/index.html right  : 
 http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/faq/calc/index.html
 
 Greetings Erik

Thank you for bringing this to our attention Erik. There was more than
one link error on that page and they have all now been corrected.

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Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active

[Dave Barton]

Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Who needs whitelisting too? Your CWiki username please (and 24 hours of
 patience!).
 I've enabled the following people
 
 And I've now whitelisted the following too:
 
 ~janiversen Jan Iversen
 
 ~vladaeg vladimir stevanovic
 
 ~smansour Samer Mansour
 
 Again: if anybody else needs access, just ask here. I will need your
 existing CWiki username, valid for login at
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ in order to give
 you editing rights.
 
 Regards,
   Andrea.

Username: bmcs
email: b...@apache.org

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Re: [WWW]Outdated links on support page?

[Dave Barton]

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
 On the EN support page(1) there are links to Tutorials for OpenOffice,
 OpenOfficeSchool and 8daysaweek.
 
 AFAIK, the first two resources are not being maintained since several years
 while 8daysaweek site have a big picture on the main page telling that the
 site is now closed(2).
 
 (1) http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html
 (2) http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/
 
 It seems a cleaning is needed. What do you think? Somebody knows about
 other sites with more updated content on English (I know a couple on
 Spanish)?
 
 Regards
 Ricardo

Did you consider contacting them to find out the current situation?

Obviously there is no point contacting 8daysaweek, because their home
page makes it clear.

Tutorials for OpenOffice is now being worked on, but there is a lot of
material to be updated, so don't expect to see immediate changes. This
site also handles a number of support questions every day.

I am awaiting a reply from OpenOfficeSchool.

It is a shame that the ecosystem that surrounded the original
OpenOffice.org project appears to be fading away. I have done some
fairly thorough checking and there does not seem to be any new English
sites coming on-line.

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Re: removal problem

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Copy to Peter Lindqvist - Non-Subscribed Poster

Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:51:10 +0200
 Peter Lindqvist peter.lindqv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Sir/Madam!

 I installed an update for Open Office one week ago and there came som 
 unwanted programs with it.

 On of theese is really annoying and i need guiding help to uninstall it.

 It is QV6, som kind of add on that infected IE 10 and Firefox. Firefox I 
 reinstalled and the problem were fixed there, but with IE10 I just don't 
 se any solution. Do You?

 Best regards

 Peter Lindqvist, Svaengsta, Sweden

 peter.lindqv...@gmail.com

 You must not have downloaded from www.openoffice.org/download. From that site 
 there are no add-ons integrated wth the OpenOffice dowenload. I recomeend 
 that you remove the program entirely, run a virus and malware scan, then 
 redownload from the above site only (or as redirected by it to Sourceforge) 
 and reinstall again.

 To remove the faulty program entirely you may need to use something like 
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Re: OpenOffice Multi-User Settings

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Copy to Lira Diocese - Non-Subscribed Poster

 Original Message  
From: Oliver Brinzing oliver.brinz...@gmx.de
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:10:56 +0200

 Hi Lira,
 
 default. Is there a way that I can enter the settings from the server and
 it reflects on all the user accounts? or it has to be done for every user
 account allover again?
 
 you can edit the files calc.xcd, writer.xcd and impress.xcd in
 C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenOffice 4\share\registry for example:
 
 from: prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervaluewriter8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS Word 97/value
 
 from  prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervaluecalc8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS Excel 97/value
 
 from: prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueimpress8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS PowerPoint 
 97/value
 
 but be carefull - make a copy first and use a  xml editor ;-)
 
 Regards
 
 Oliver


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Re: OpenOffice Multi-User Settings

[Dave Barton]

Sorry Oliver. Clicked send before correcting the recipient list.

Copy to Lira Diocese - Non-Subscribed Poster

 Original Message  
From: Oliver Brinzing oliver.brinz...@gmx.de
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:10:56 +0200

 Hi Lira,
 
 default. Is there a way that I can enter the settings from the server and
 it reflects on all the user accounts? or it has to be done for every user
 account allover again?
 
 you can edit the files calc.xcd, writer.xcd and impress.xcd in
 C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenOffice 4\share\registry for example:
 
 from: prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervaluewriter8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS Word 97/value
 
 from  prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervaluecalc8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS Excel 97/value
 
 from: prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueimpress8/value
 to:prop oor:name=ooSetupFactoryDefaultFiltervalueMS PowerPoint 
 97/value
 
 but be carefull - make a copy first and use a  xml editor ;-)
 
 Regards
 
 Oliver


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Re: missing mails (to moderators)

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: janI j...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:34:17 +0200

 Hi.
 
 Our mwiki have tried to sent mail to dev@openoffice.apache.org
 
 I have created a new user WikiAdmin with dev@ as e-mail, as a consequence
 mwiki have sent confirmation mails to dev@ which needs to be replied to.
 
 I cannot see the mails on the list, so I assume that they are hold back on
 some moderator list.
 
 Please confirm these mails, so mwiki can sent mail to dev@
 
 thx in advance.
 jan I.

I have just released one of the confirmation emails to the dev list. I
will leave you to do the rest.

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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org, Dennis
Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:45:32 -0400

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
 I think if the Apache is made thicker by using Bold and a touch darker 
 grey, it will work much better, at least as positioned in the Rottensteiner 
 Stage 2 refinement.  It also gives Apache more (symbolic) weight without 
 overpowering the OpenOffice part.

 I agree one wants to use the best of resampled PNG and regenerated SVG at 
 the lower size.  Also, if the SVG has hints about the visually-intended size 
 (at whatever pixel resolution), the fonts may be adjusted automatically to 
 avoid excessive thinning at smaller presentation sizes.  Then there are the 
 tricks needed when rasterization also becomes significant.

 
 Right.  And I hope that no one thinks that we're voting for pixels
 carved in marble.  We're voting on a design.  I'd expect ordinary
 technical adjustments to be made to suit the scale and medium of a
 particular use.  It should feel the same to a user, of course.  That's
 the advantage of having the vector source to a logo.  With the current
 logo it has been difficult to work with, since we only have the orb as
 a bitmap.
 
 -Rob

Maybe I am missing something here (very possible), but I have the
current logo and a couple of variants in svg format. If required I would
be happy to upload them.

If someone would be kind enough to advise me how to create a public html
page ~bmcs (like https://people.apache.org/~arielch/), I will put all
the OOo  AOO related svg images I have collected there.

Dave

  - Dennis

 I don't have enough personal knowledge about SVG implementations and font 
 hinting (although Adobe has information about it).  I do know that Knuth had 
 to introduce anomorphic scaling into his fonts because the smaller ones 
 would become visually too thin at the smaller point sizes if simply scaled 
 geometrically.  It's a human vision thing.  He was producing images for 
 production publishing systems and had a luxury of pixels; there was more 
 involved that nudging pixel alignments.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 04:54 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Staring a [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread parallel to the [VOTE] thread.

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 .
 .
 .

 My comments with some very preliminary testing: the VERY LIGHT gray
 Apache in any form doesn't scale well going smaller.  The very thin
 letters also don't scale well going smaller.


 How did you scale the image?  By resizing the PNG file?  If so that
 probably doesn't give the optimal quality.


 yes, this is what I did...


  If we resize from the SVG
 source, and if the SVG references a vector font with hinting, then
 it is possible that the text will be clearer at smaller sizes.  In
 theory that should help with the letter scaling.  Not sure about the
 light gray.


 Well maybe someone could  resize appropriately. Our current web logo is
 only 200 x 100. I actually used 300 x ??? (kept the aspect ratio) and
 things were not great on any of these with that very light gray
 Apache...even slightly darker would help I think.


 -Rob


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Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org, Dennis
Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:45:32 -0400

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
 I think if the Apache is made thicker by using Bold and a touch darker 
 grey, it will work much better, at least as positioned in the Rottensteiner 
 Stage 2 refinement.  It also gives Apache more (symbolic) weight without 
 overpowering the OpenOffice part.

 I agree one wants to use the best of resampled PNG and regenerated SVG at 
 the lower size.  Also, if the SVG has hints about the visually-intended size 
 (at whatever pixel resolution), the fonts may be adjusted automatically to 
 avoid excessive thinning at smaller presentation sizes.  Then there are the 
 tricks needed when rasterization also becomes significant.

 
 Right.  And I hope that no one thinks that we're voting for pixels
 carved in marble.  We're voting on a design.  I'd expect ordinary
 technical adjustments to be made to suit the scale and medium of a
 particular use.  It should feel the same to a user, of course.  That's
 the advantage of having the vector source to a logo.  With the current
 logo it has been difficult to work with, since we only have the orb as
 a bitmap.
 
 -Rob

Maybe I am missing something here (very possible), but I have the
current logo and a couple of variants in svg format. If required I would
be happy to upload them.

If someone would be kind enough to advise me how to create a public html
page ~bmcs (like https://people.apache.org/~arielch/), I will put all
the OOo  AOO related svg images I have collected there.

Dave

  - Dennis

 I don't have enough personal knowledge about SVG implementations and font 
 hinting (although Adobe has information about it).  I do know that Knuth had 
 to introduce anomorphic scaling into his fonts because the smaller ones 
 would become visually too thin at the smaller point sizes if simply scaled 
 geometrically.  It's a human vision thing.  He was producing images for 
 production publishing systems and had a luxury of pixels; there was more 
 involved that nudging pixel alignments.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 04:54 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Staring a [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread parallel to the [VOTE] thread.

 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 .
 .
 .

 My comments with some very preliminary testing: the VERY LIGHT gray
 Apache in any form doesn't scale well going smaller.  The very thin
 letters also don't scale well going smaller.


 How did you scale the image?  By resizing the PNG file?  If so that
 probably doesn't give the optimal quality.


 yes, this is what I did...


  If we resize from the SVG
 source, and if the SVG references a vector font with hinting, then
 it is possible that the text will be clearer at smaller sizes.  In
 theory that should help with the letter scaling.  Not sure about the
 light gray.


 Well maybe someone could  resize appropriately. Our current web logo is
 only 200 x 100. I actually used 300 x ??? (kept the aspect ratio) and
 things were not great on any of these with that very light gray
 Apache...even slightly darker would help I think.


 -Rob


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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:31:24 +0800

 On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
 On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:
 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
 autoresponse
 that says, You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
 not
 see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!?


 Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
 done?


 I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
 will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better
 message
 could be You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
 see
 responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
 markmail archives or subscribe by clicking here.

 Very good idea.
 
 Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
 works for infra?
 
 Best regards,
 Peter
 
 

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Re: Moderated messages not reaching the original poster

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: janI j...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:38:59 +0200

 On 14 May 2013 11:31, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote:
 
 On 4/16/2013 11:04 AM, Peter Junge wrote:

 On 4/16/2013 7:19 AM, RGB ES wrote:

 2013/4/16 Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com

  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  When non-subscribers email the list, do they at least get an
 autoresponse
 that says, You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might
 not
 see responses to your email.  Subscribe by clicking here!?


  Far as I can tell, the answer is no.  Is this something that can be
 done?


 I don't think that, in case something like this is possible, all people
 will be willing of subscribing the dev mailing lists, so a better message
 could be You're not a subscriber to this email list, so you might not
 see
 responses to your email.  Read all the messages sent to the list here
 markmail archives or subscribe by clicking here.


 Very good idea.


 Did someone ever file an issue or checked out if the proposed solution
 works for infra?

 
 I cannot find an open jira issue, so problaly not. There has been a couple
 of mail threads with infra to the subject.
 
 I think the right way would be to file an issue, not with the discussion,
 but with the outcome and a request for it to be implemented.
 
 rgds
 jan I.
 

 Best regards,
 Peter



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Re: Got a problem

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 Original Message  
From: janI j...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:12:46 +0200

 On 9 May 2013 11:05, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
 
 On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
 Oliver Trautmann nightwalker...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I don't know enough about computers to figure it out on my own and
 nothing at your website helps; my English (US) spellchecker marks every
 word as misspelled and that's annoying on so many levels.

 Help

 Oliver

 Delete your User Profile Details are at
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426
 and restart OpenOffice _completely_ (Easiest to power of /on your
 computer, with proper shutdown).

 If that doesn't work, please post a query to the Forum at
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/

 It does not need to be soo bad, even though I should know better Writer
 gave me the same problem sometime ago.
 
 I have multiple languages installedand writer had for some obscure
 reason decided that my english document was spanish, after a bit of
 research (looking at the status line) I found the problem...simple solution
 select all, and set language.
 
 rgds
 jan I.
 

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 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie



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Re: un subscribe

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Wright Grant Omar Rivelino grant_o...@hotmail.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:56:36 +

 Can you remove rant_o...@hotmail.com  from Open Office I dont use it, and I 
 reseave several massage
  
 Thanks 
  
 Omar

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Re: unsubscribe please!

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 Original Message  
From: CHERYL ANN cnr0...@gmail.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:24:35 -0400

 Could you please remove cnr0...@gmail.com from your mailing list. I
 do not use Open Office and don't know why I get several emails daily
 from users. Thanks

I have already replied to the poster off-list regarding the unsubscribe
procedure. She is not subscribed to the email address she has used here.

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Re: Writer suggestion

[Dave Barton]

Donald, Since you are not subscribed to this list you may not have seen
these replies.

 Original Message  
From: Donald Mayse maysedj...@yahoo.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:47:01 -0400

 I recently started a document with 4 columns.  I then tried to have no
 columns on subsequent pages.  As far as I can tell, it can't be done
 without removing the columns from the first page.  Can you incorporate
 some method of easily discontinuing columns in a document?

 chengjh wrote:
 Hi Donald,

 Please add page break with a different page style, and then to modify the
 column setting for the subsequent page..In AOO, the page settings are
 applied to page style. So, you need to use page style for your scenarios.
 Hope it helpful for you.Thanks.

 tj wrote:
 Hi, Donald,

 Columns are a property of page styles and sections. For what you want, 
 simply assign a different page style to your second page: one with only one 
 column. The Default style will probably suffice. The new style will 
 propagate to the following pages.

 Questions like yours are better directed to our users' mailing list:
 us...@openoffice.apache.org
 or to the forum.

 HTH,
 /tj/ 

 Fernand Vanrie wrote:
  Donald ,

 make 2 page styles
 - one with 4 columns and with next style no columns.
 - one with no columns and next style 4 columns

 swith from page style when wanted

 hope it helps

 Fernand 

For more detailed information about page styles please see the
Documentation link on the Apache OpenOffice Support page:
http://www.openoffice.org/support/

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Dave


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Re: Exit moderation mailing

[Dave Barton]

Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
 I am moderator of mailing doc,api @ o.a.o.
 Today I am out of time to moderate, I ask to remove moderation. Thanks.

 Do we have someone willing to replace Albino, preferably (but not
 necessarily) in the American time zones? It is better to replace a
 moderator rather than removing one.

 The task is very easy and not very time-consuming: you will receive a
 notification for every posting attempt to the doc@ and api@ lists by a
 non-member, and (if it's not spam) you simply reply to the
 notification message to approve the post.

 Regards,
   Andrea.

When Albino first mentioned that he was unable to continue moderation of
the api list (19.3.2013), I offered to be his replacement. I already
moderate for dev, doc and marketing. For the time being, there is not a
lot else I can usefully contribute to the project. Hopefully, this will
change in the near future.

Feel free to add me to the list of api moderators. My time zone is UTC+1

Regards
Dave


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Re: Exit moderator mailing

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:41:38 -0400

 On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto bin...@apache.org 
 wrote:
 Hi

 I am moderator of mailing doc,api @ o.a.o.

 Today I am out of time to moderate, I ask to remove moderation. Thanks.

 
 What address are you using for moderation?  Your apache.org email address?
 
 I think you will need to enter a JIRA issue for Infra to be removed as
 a moderator.
 
 It would be good also if there was another volunteer for the doc and
 api mailing lists, to help with that.

I am already moderating doc. Feel free to add me to api.

Dave

 -Rob
 
 Albino



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Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 respin to support 8 new languages

[Dave Barton]

+1

 Original Message  
From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:13:14 +0100

 Hi all,
 
 this is a call for vote on releasing a minor respin of Apache OpenOffice
 3.4.1 to support 8 new languages (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian Bokmal,
 Polish, Korean, Basque, Asturian, Scottish Gaelic). The Hungarian
 version is repackaged and a Hungarian dictionary is now included.
 
 This release is a minor update to support further languages but no bug
 fixes. We decided to keep the effort minimal and updated only the new
 languages and no further minor bug fixes. It is the last minor update
 including incubating in the name and we do that to integrate smoothly
 in the naming scheme of the current release and to keep the download simple.
 
 The source release for AOO 3.4.1 will be renewed and is based now on
 revision 1435053 from branch AOO34. For our broad user base we built and
 provide convenience binary packages on the same revision for all new
 languages.
 
 The source release candidate can be found under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO341srcrelease
 
 The convenience binary full install sets for the new languages can be
 found under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO341fullsets
 
 The convenience binary language packs for the new languages can be found
 under
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO341languagepacks
 
 Please vote on releasing this respin package as a complement to our
 already released Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating).
 
 The vote starts now and will be open for 72 hours until:
 
Saturday, 26 January: 2013-01-26 10:00am UTC+1.
 
 The vote of PMC members is binding but we invite all people to vote (non
 binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is
 supported by the majority of our project members.
 
[ ] +1 Release this respin package as complement Apache OpenOffice
 3.4.1 (incubating)
[ ]  0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
 
 

Re: open office draw

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: Kaili Williamson kailiwilliam...@yahoo.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:28:52 -0800 (pst)
 to whom it may concern,
i was just wondering if you could please help me...i am making a slideshow 
 in open office draw. i am trying to insert audio to play through out the 
 slide show. i was able to insert the audio, but i cant figure out how to get 
 it to continue past the first slide. please help.
 thanks, kaili

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Impress_Guide/Using_slide_transitions#Playing_a_sound_throughout_the_presentation

Re: level 2 accomplished

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Anders Kvibäck akva1...@gmail.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:48:40 +0100

 Hi!
 I'm done  with level 2. And I'm starting off with level 3 now.
 
 Regards, Anders Kvibäck
 

That's great Anders, but your messages are coming through moderation, so
one of the first things you should do is subscribe to this list.
See:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list-public

Regards
Dave

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Re: [Proposal] Create new mailing list: d...@openoffice.apache.org

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0500

 This idea has come up on another thread, where we've been discussed
 the future of the documentation effort and a future call for
 volunteers.  We'd like a dedicated list for these efforts.
 
 Name:  d...@openoffice.apache.org   OR  d...@openoffice.apache.org  (I
 don't have a strong preference for the name)
 
 Moderators:  Please respond if you can volunteer as moderator.  We
 should aim for 2 or 3 geographically dispersed.
 
 I'll wait 72 hours, and if no objections we can ask Andrea to submit
 the form for the new list creation.
 
 Regards,
 
 -Rob

Hi Rob,

I am currently at UTC +1 if you want me to moderate the (long overdue)
documentation list. For reasons I might explain at another time,
moderation is all can contribute to the project for the time being.
Although I will try to mentor/guide any newcomers who want to work on
user documentation.

Regards
Dave

Re: spam attack

[Dave Barton]

Copy to Gordon Cairns - Non-Subscribed Poster

 Original Message  
From: Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:51:40 +

 On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:01:32 +
 Cairns watchho...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Having been bedevilled by OpenOffice 3.4.1 System crashes to the extent 
 of wanting to ditch the whole programme I now understand the programme 
 is under spam attack and you ask users to contact you for a solution.  
 That would be most welcome.
 Regards, Gordon Cairns

 The stability of OpenOffice is a matter of interaction with your operating 
 system.  You need to tell us what your operating system is and what symptoms 
 you are experiencing.  You may also find it of use to search the Forum at
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
 
 
 I doubt that any such instability is caused by a spam attack; the current 
 spam attack is to the mwiki pages.

Just to further clarify Rory's reply. It is not the program itself which
came under spam attack, it was the Wiki area of the project's web
services. The attack has now been thwarted by an excellent team of
hardworking volunteers.

Please post back to this list or the user support list
us...@openoffice.apache.org with the information Rory suggested for
assistance in resolving the issues you are experiencing.