Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Am 07/13/2014 12:13 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/12/2014 10:10 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: I reordered the language list, and fixed the spacing to line separator. [...] Have you seen already that the current sorting looks a bit incomplete? The languages with latin characters should be sorted via their native names and the non-latin languages maybe via ISO code. Thanks for reviewing this, Marcus. I'll reorder the Latin lang. list alphabetically. Sorry to override your changes, yesterday :) don't worry. Maybe you can rescue some: - For Khmer (km) the data is commented out, so the redirect will not work. You can use this code: ភាសាខ្មែរ (km) - The English list item should be shown as "English (en)" to be consistent to the others. - The ISO code for Norwegian [Bokmal] is "nb". - The brackets for "Norwegian, and both Portuguese should be written like for Serbian. Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 07/12/2014 10:10 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: > > I reordered the language list, and fixed the spacing to line separator. >> > > [...] Have you seen already that the current sorting looks a bit > incomplete? The languages with latin characters should be sorted via their > native names and the non-latin languages maybe via ISO code. > Thanks for reviewing this, Marcus. I'll reorder the Latin lang. list alphabetically. Sorry to override your changes, yesterday :)
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Am 07/12/2014 10:10 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: I reordered the language list, and fixed the spacing to line separator. looks good. Have you seen already that the current sorting looks a bit incomplete? The languages with latin characters should be sorted via their native names and the non-latin languages maybe via ISO code. Then the visible order is perfect. Take into account that styles may change in the future, as there are requests to use Bootstrap library, or sorts. I hope so. :-) Marcus On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/09/2014 02:30 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 08/07/2014 Tal Daniel wrote: Regarding the ORDER of languages, we have a tie. Should we take that to a VOTE? -- No need to. It's a minor thing. I think that the bottom line is: sort by something that is visible and sort in a way that a native speaker of a language based on a non-Latin alphabet would find normal. So long as it has a logic, I'm fine with that and I think others will be too. +1 Whatever the sorting will look like, it has to be traceable for the user. Indeed here there are different conventions around, for example http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/locale.aspx (just to pick one with a long list, but any "corporate" site will do) lists all Latin first, then Greek, Cyrillic and others, by alphabet. While wow, that must be a nearly complete list. ;-) I've done some more researching and found the following website with the same sorting rule: - Youtube (see footer) - Facebook (see header) - Google+ (see footer) - Twitter (see header) All sort first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then Arabic, then Indian, then Far-East. So, the bigger and most known websites seem to have a common sorting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer for some reason puts Hebrew between "Italiano" and "Basa Jawa" (does this sound "natural" to you?). Of course, it's again the sorting via ISO codes. Just have a look into the HTML code: :-P it - Italiano he - Hebrew jv - Basa Jawa But to answer your (rhetorical ;-) ) question: No, I would expect a more visible and therefore reasonable sorting. BTW: It's the same for Mozilla (see the language button in the footer). Even when the visible result is different to Wikipedia. We also expose ISO codes, so sorting by codes could be a way to make it simpler. Whatever works best for you, Tal, will probably work for us too! @Tal: Finally: It seems the common sorting rule is first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then Arabic, then Indian, then Far-East (more or less this way as I cannot interprete every character set of this world). So, I would suggest to sort this way, too. And yes, I know that I wrote something different in my previous mails. But after looking closer on other websites I think I have to change my opinion. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
I reordered the language list, and fixed the spacing to line separator. Take into account that styles may change in the future, as there are requests to use Bootstrap library, or sorts. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 07/09/2014 02:30 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > > On 08/07/2014 Tal Daniel wrote: >> >>> Regarding the ORDER of languages, we have a tie. Should we take that to a >>> VOTE? -- >>> >> >> No need to. It's a minor thing. I think that the bottom line is: sort by >> something that is visible and sort in a way that a native speaker of a >> language based on a non-Latin alphabet would find normal. So long as it >> has a logic, I'm fine with that and I think others will be too. >> > > +1 > Whatever the sorting will look like, it has to be traceable for the user. > > > Indeed here there are different conventions around, for example >> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/locale.aspx (just to pick one with a long >> list, but any "corporate" site will do) lists all Latin first, then >> Greek, Cyrillic and others, by alphabet. While >> > > wow, that must be a nearly complete list. ;-) > > I've done some more researching and found the following website with the > same sorting rule: > > - Youtube (see footer) > - Facebook (see header) > - Google+ (see footer) > - Twitter (see header) > > All sort first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then Arabic, then Indian, then > Far-East. > > So, the bigger and most known websites seem to have a common sorting. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer for some reason puts Hebrew >> between "Italiano" and "Basa Jawa" (does this sound "natural" to you?). >> > > Of course, it's again the sorting via ISO codes. Just have a look into the > HTML code: :-P > > it - Italiano > he - Hebrew > jv - Basa Jawa > > But to answer your (rhetorical ;-) ) question: No, I would expect a more > visible and therefore reasonable sorting. > > BTW: > It's the same for Mozilla (see the language button in the footer). Even > when the visible result is different to Wikipedia. > > > We also expose ISO codes, so sorting by codes could be a way to make it >> simpler. Whatever works best for you, Tal, will probably work for us too! >> > > @Tal: > > Finally: > > It seems the common sorting rule is first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then > Arabic, then Indian, then Far-East (more or less this way as I cannot > interprete every character set of this world). > > So, I would suggest to sort this way, too. > > And yes, I know that I wrote something different in my previous mails. But > after looking closer on other websites I think I have to change my opinion. > > Marcus > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- טל
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Am 07/09/2014 02:30 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 08/07/2014 Tal Daniel wrote: Regarding the ORDER of languages, we have a tie. Should we take that to a VOTE? -- No need to. It's a minor thing. I think that the bottom line is: sort by something that is visible and sort in a way that a native speaker of a language based on a non-Latin alphabet would find normal. So long as it has a logic, I'm fine with that and I think others will be too. +1 Whatever the sorting will look like, it has to be traceable for the user. Indeed here there are different conventions around, for example http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/locale.aspx (just to pick one with a long list, but any "corporate" site will do) lists all Latin first, then Greek, Cyrillic and others, by alphabet. While wow, that must be a nearly complete list. ;-) I've done some more researching and found the following website with the same sorting rule: - Youtube (see footer) - Facebook (see header) - Google+ (see footer) - Twitter (see header) All sort first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then Arabic, then Indian, then Far-East. So, the bigger and most known websites seem to have a common sorting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer for some reason puts Hebrew between "Italiano" and "Basa Jawa" (does this sound "natural" to you?). Of course, it's again the sorting via ISO codes. Just have a look into the HTML code: :-P it - Italiano he - Hebrew jv - Basa Jawa But to answer your (rhetorical ;-) ) question: No, I would expect a more visible and therefore reasonable sorting. BTW: It's the same for Mozilla (see the language button in the footer). Even when the visible result is different to Wikipedia. We also expose ISO codes, so sorting by codes could be a way to make it simpler. Whatever works best for you, Tal, will probably work for us too! @Tal: Finally: It seems the common sorting rule is first via Latin, then Cyrillic, then Arabic, then Indian, then Far-East (more or less this way as I cannot interprete every character set of this world). So, I would suggest to sort this way, too. And yes, I know that I wrote something different in my previous mails. But after looking closer on other websites I think I have to change my opinion. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On 08/07/2014 Tal Daniel wrote: Regarding the ORDER of languages, we have a tie. Should we take that to a VOTE? -- No need to. It's a minor thing. I think that the bottom line is: sort by something that is visible and sort in a way that a native speaker of a language based on a non-Latin alphabet would find normal. So long as it has a logic, I'm fine with that and I think others will be too. Indeed here there are different conventions around, for example http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/locale.aspx (just to pick one with a long list, but any "corporate" site will do) lists all Latin first, then Greek, Cyrillic and others, by alphabet. While http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer for some reason puts Hebrew between "Italiano" and "Basa Jawa" (does this sound "natural" to you?). We also expose ISO codes, so sorting by codes could be a way to make it simpler. Whatever works best for you, Tal, will probably work for us too! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 06/26/2014 01:56 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/06/2014 Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>
Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on,
visitors can quickly select their language, if available. This
affects all NL sites. Developers& translators are called to add
2 new variables to {lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their
language
>>>
>>>
Regarding the ORDER of languages, we have a tie. Should we take that to a
VOTE? --
[Andrea wrote:] Maybe sort by Name (with non-Latin at the end) or by
language code?
[Aviaras wrote:] In indices containing entries of different alphabets, it
is a good practice to sort them separately, e.g. starting with the Latin
entries, then moving to the Cyrillic ones, and so on.
[Ariel wrote:] Mozilla has a language listbox at the bottom of their site,
and they sort via ISO codes. Wikipedia as a language list at the side, it
seems that both sort the list according to the Latin transliteration, or
something similar.
[Marcus:] For OpenOffice I would suggest to do the sorting via ISO code. As
they are shown in the list it's understandable for all - also for
non-native speakers.
> [Marcus:] Tal, I know that Hebrew is working from right-to-left. However,
> it doesn't look good compared to the other list items. Would you mind to
> change it to left-to-right?
OK Marcus, I suggest to leave it RTL, but left align it. Will fix it.
Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Am 06/26/2014 01:56 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
On 25/06/2014 Tal Daniel wrote:
Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on,
visitors can quickly select their language, if available. This
affects all NL sites. Developers& translators are called to add
2 new variables to {lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their
language
Done for Italian. Works nicely, thanks for developing it.
Just the sorting is not intuitive... Maybe sort by Name (with
non-Latin at the end) or by language code?
Mozilla has a language listbox at the bottom of their site, and
they sort via ISO codes.
Wikipedia as a language list at the side, it seems that both sort the
list according to the Latin transliteration, or something similar.
They sort alphabetically via the native language names. But it's
followed not really consequently.
For OpenOffice I would suggest to do the sorting via ISO code. As they
are shown in the list it's understandable for all - also for non-native
speakers.
BTW:
Tal, I know that Hebrew is working from right-to-left. However, it
doesn't look good compared to the other list items. Would you mind to
change it to left-to-right?
Marcus
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Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 25/06/2014 Tal Daniel wrote:
> >Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on,
> >visitors can quickly select their language, if available. This
> >affects all NL sites. Developers & translators are called to add
> >2 new variables to {lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their
> >language
>
> Done for Italian. Works nicely, thanks for developing it.
>
> Just the sorting is not intuitive... Maybe sort by Name (with
> non-Latin at the end) or by language code?
Mozilla has a language listbox at the bottom of their site, and
Wikipedia as a language list at the side, it seems that both sort the
list according to the Latin transliteration, or something similar.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
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Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On 25/06/2014 Tal Daniel wrote:
Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on, visitors
can quickly select their language, if available. This affects all NL sites.
Developers & translators are called to add 2 new variables to
{lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their language
Done for Italian. Works nicely, thanks for developing it.
Just the sorting is not intuitive... Maybe sort by Name (with non-Latin
at the end) or by language code? I can't figure out if there is a sort
in place at the moment, it seems rather random to me. Or maybe it's
sorted by English name, but since we don't show the English name this
doesn't help the visitor.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Am 06/25/2014 01:19 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel:
Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on, visitors
can quickly select their language, if available. This affects all NL sites.
thanks for this nice little feature. Good work!
Developers& translators are called to add 2 new variables to
{lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their language:
selectedlang: en *
language: Language **
(* change to your language code; ** translate title to your language)
Done for German, works great.
Keep up the good work, what's next? ;-)
Marcus
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Fwd: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Published new language selection dropdown [again]. From now on, visitors
can quickly select their language, if available. This affects all NL sites.
Developers & translators are called to add 2 new variables to
{lang}/brand.mdtext, and change according to their language:
selectedlang: en *
language: Language **
(* change to your language code; ** translate title to your language)
For example, choose Hebrew from the dropdown, or see /he/brand.mdtext, or
/xx/brand.mdtext.
Note: "Native Languages" link from the menu would probably be removed in
the future, when the language dropdown would be more familiar and adopted.
Enjoy,
Tal
