RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks Basil,

So long as there are downloadable PDFs of the final booklet in the two 
languages, I don't think there is any need to send print copies by post.

May you have a wonderful Plugfest.  One of these days I may finally be able to 
travel to one [;<).

 - Dennis

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From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 05:49
To: Dennis Hamilton 
Cc: Stuart Mackintosh ; dev ; 
Graham Taylor 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Dennis,

So many thanks fro your support.

We are in the last knockings and are due to go to print shortly and must
decide numbers

Can you let Stuart if/how many copies of the Dutch and/or English versions
 you would wish us to post to you.


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On 7 September 2015 at 20:21, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart.
>
>
>
> To be clear, I was not thinking of direct participation but something
> simple to be used in providing the “ODF in the marketplace” session with
> some useful self-explanatory data from the Apache OpenOffice Project.
>
>
>
> In any case, I doubt there is something that could be done in this short
> time window.  I am thinking it would be something useful for the project
> to track and report on a quarterly basis, if feasible.
>
>
>
> -   Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2015 10:35
> *To:* orc...@apache.org
> *Cc:* dev@openoffice.apache.org; Graham Taylor ;
> 'Andrea Pescetti' ; Basil Cousins <
> ba...@openforumeurope.org>
> *Subject:* Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Thank you for supporting this initiative and providing the response from
> the AOO community. I will include the AOO entry in the Application Choices
> table as proposed.
>
> Should AOO choose to feature as a sponsor for 100GBP per language (English
> & Dutch), you will need to let Basil know by 14:00 GMT in order that the
> design can be updated.
>
> Your participation would be welcome if it can be arranged, but fully
> understand if it cannot due to the short notice on this occasion. For
> future ODF Plugfests, we will try to provide sufficient notice for you to
> debate and prepare in good time.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart.
>
>
>
>
>
> From the Chair,
>
>
>
> Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied
> into the planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.
>
>
>
> It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the
> suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.  There have been
> no objections whatsoever.
>
>
>
> I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.  The deadline for
> committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so I
> want to summarize where we stand.
>
>
>
> PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP
>
>
>
> There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds,
> agreement to provide a sponsorship, and so on.
>
>
>
> Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems to
> have been a non-starter.  I think it’s safe to say that we will not be
> requesting presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.  If that changes in
> the few hours remaining, I will let you know as soon as anything to the
> contrary comes to my attention (at UTC-0700).
>
>
>
> REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST
>
>
>
> Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.  It might be possible
> to have a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for the
> Tuesday, 2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”  This has
> prompted barely-tentative discussion here.  Again, there has not been
> much headway.  It is definitely something for the project to look into. I
> am not certain what kind of findings can be provided at this point; having
> anything for the Plugfest seems doubtful.  The topic is still open though.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -   Dennis
>
>
>
> [ … ]
>



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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Basil Cousins]

Dennis,

So many thanks fro your support.

We are in the last knockings and are due to go to print shortly and must
decide numbers

Can you let Stuart if/how many copies of the Dutch and/or English versions
 you would wish us to post to you.


Basil Cousins
Director
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On 7 September 2015 at 20:21, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart.
>
>
>
> To be clear, I was not thinking of direct participation but something
> simple to be used in providing the “ODF in the marketplace” session with
> some useful self-explanatory data from the Apache OpenOffice Project.
>
>
>
> In any case, I doubt there is something that could be done in this short
> time window.  I am thinking it would be something useful for the project
> to track and report on a quarterly basis, if feasible.
>
>
>
> -   Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2015 10:35
> *To:* orc...@apache.org
> *Cc:* dev@openoffice.apache.org; Graham Taylor ;
> 'Andrea Pescetti' ; Basil Cousins <
> ba...@openforumeurope.org>
> *Subject:* Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Thank you for supporting this initiative and providing the response from
> the AOO community. I will include the AOO entry in the Application Choices
> table as proposed.
>
> Should AOO choose to feature as a sponsor for 100GBP per language (English
> & Dutch), you will need to let Basil know by 14:00 GMT in order that the
> design can be updated.
>
> Your participation would be welcome if it can be arranged, but fully
> understand if it cannot due to the short notice on this occasion. For
> future ODF Plugfests, we will try to provide sufficient notice for you to
> debate and prepare in good time.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart.
>
>
>
>
>
> From the Chair,
>
>
>
> Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied
> into the planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.
>
>
>
> It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the
> suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.  There have been
> no objections whatsoever.
>
>
>
> I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.  The deadline for
> committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so I
> want to summarize where we stand.
>
>
>
> PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP
>
>
>
> There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds,
> agreement to provide a sponsorship, and so on.
>
>
>
> Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems to
> have been a non-starter.  I think it’s safe to say that we will not be
> requesting presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.  If that changes in
> the few hours remaining, I will let you know as soon as anything to the
> contrary comes to my attention (at UTC-0700).
>
>
>
> REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST
>
>
>
> Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.  It might be possible
> to have a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for the
> Tuesday, 2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”  This has
> prompted barely-tentative discussion here.  Again, there has not been
> much headway.  It is definitely something for the project to look into. I
> am not certain what kind of findings can be provided at this point; having
> anything for the Plugfest seems doubtful.  The topic is still open though.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -   Dennis
>
>
>
> [ … ]
>



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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/09/2015 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

This is what we should learn—some suggested guidelines


Good suggestions. I agree. More comments below.


* ODF Plugfests are something we care about and deem important.


OK, and this means we have to be there.


* If community members are able and willing to present at and thus represent 
AOO at ODf Plugfests, then they should list themselves on a wiki devoted to 
this and also make sure that they post to the dev@aoo mail list their interest 
and ability in representing AOO at the plugfest.


The wiki page is already there at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
and people should list themselves there with "ODF Plugfests".


They should also subscribe to whatever (external) mailing list is used 
for organizing Plugfests; I'm not subscribed to any and I don't have 
information on this.


And yes, a couple words on how they can specifically help would be useful.


* If they need money to attend, let us all know on the dev@aoo list.
* If they cannot make it and if it seems as if no one can make it, yikes—maybe.


Money won't be a big issue, provided we allocate it in advance, like we 
do for FOSDEM. Then, nobody in the end ever asked for reimbursements for 
any event (even in cases where we had allocated a reimbursement). For 
FOSDEM the idea was, I think, to allow up to 200 EUR (around 200 USD) as 
flat contribution toward expenses.



* collateral material (eg, leaflets), etc. can be produced using our funds but 
we all need to know of this need and it must sit within our broader mandate as 
part of ASF as well as any local need.


Yes, perfect.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Basil Cousins]

Hello Dennis,

Thanks for your message.  We are able to include Apache OO in the logos as
Rosemary Lynch has very kindly  provided the funds for both versions  in
memory of her husband.  He made a similar sponsorship for the London
Plugfest document.

Best regards


Basil

On 7 September 2015 at 18:18, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:

> From the Chair,
>
>
>
> Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied
> into the planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.
>
>
>
> It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the
> suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.  There have been
> no objections whatsoever.
>
>
>
> I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.  The deadline for
> committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so I
> want to summarize where we stand.
>
>
>
> PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP
>
>
>
> There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds,
> agreement to provide a sponsorship, and so on.
>
>
>
> Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems to
> have been a non-starter.  I think it’s safe to say that we will not be
> requesting presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.  If that changes in
> the few hours remaining, I will let you know as soon as anything to the
> contrary comes to my attention (at UTC-0700).
>
>
>
> REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST
>
>
>
> Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.  It might be possible
> to have a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for the
> Tuesday, 2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”  This has
> prompted barely-tentative discussion here.  Again, there has not been
> much headway.  It is definitely something for the project to look into. I
> am not certain what kind of findings can be provided at this point; having
> anything for the Plugfest seems doubtful.  The topic is still open though.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -   Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2015 08:52
> *To:* Andrea Pescetti ; dev@openoffice.apache.org
> *Cc:* 'Graham Taylor' 
> *Subject:* Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>
>
>
> Andrea,
>
>
>
> On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously published
> "Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully considered, so it
> will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed
> replacement table at the end of this email
>
>
> We don't CC you on all replies, but you can find a draft of the current
> updates we would make to the Application Choices table (limited to the
> OpenOffice entry of course) at
> http://s.apache.org/Hoh (scroll down until the end)
>
>
> I have reviewed the thread, thank you for your efforts and community
> engagement with this.
>
>
> If that changes further, we'll send you an updated version by Tuesday
> morning European time, but you can use that version for the time being.
>
>
> I have made a couple of minor alterations and propose that we include the
> following entry:
>
> *Software*
>
> *License*
>
> *Formats (file types)*
>
> *Platforms*
>
> *Support*
>
> *Link*
>
> *Notes*
>
> Apache OpenOffice
>
> Open Source (ALv2)
>
> All
>
> Windows, OS X, Linux
>
> Community
>
> https://www.openoffice.org/
>
> The default and recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents.
> Third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2 available
>
>
> Please advise if this is acceptable.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart.
>
> --
>
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>
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>
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Stuart J Mackintosh]

Dennis,

Thank you for supporting this initiative and providing the response from 
the AOO community. I will include the AOO entry in the Application 
Choices table as proposed.


Should AOO choose to feature as a sponsor for 100GBP per language 
(English & Dutch), you will need to let Basil know by 14:00 GMT in order 
that the design can be updated.


Your participation would be welcome if it can be arranged, but fully 
understand if it cannot due to the short notice on this occasion. For 
future ODF Plugfests, we will try to provide sufficient notice for you 
to debate and prepare in good time.


Best regards,

Stuart.



From the Chair,

Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied 
into the planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.


It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with 
the suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.There have 
been no objections whatsoever.


I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.The deadline for 
committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so 
I want to summarize where we stand.


PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP

There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds, 
agreement to provide a sponsorship, and so on.


Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems 
to have been a non-starter.I think it’s safe to say that we will not 
be requesting presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.If that 
changes in the few hours remaining, I will let you know as soon as 
anything to the contrary comes to my attention (at UTC-0700).


REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST

Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.It might be possible 
to have a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for 
the Tuesday, 2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”This has 
prompted barely-tentative discussion here.Again, there has not been 
much headway.It is definitely something for the project to look into. 
I am not certain what kind of findings can be provided at this point; 
having anything for the Plugfest seems doubtful.The topic is still 
open though.


Regards,

-Dennis

*From:*Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2015 08:52
*To:* Andrea Pescetti <mailto:pesce...@apache.org>>; dev@openoffice.apache.org 
<mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org>
*Cc:* 'Graham Taylor' <mailto:gra...@openforumeurope.org>>

*Subject:* Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Andrea,



On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously
published
"Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully
considered, so it
will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed
replacement table at the end of this email


We don't CC you on all replies, but you can find a draft of the
current updates we would make to the Application Choices table
(limited to the OpenOffice entry of course) at
http://s.apache.org/Hoh (scroll down until the end)


I have reviewed the thread, thank you for your efforts and community 
engagement with this.



If that changes further, we'll send you an updated version by
Tuesday morning European time, but you can use that version for
the time being.


I have made a couple of minor alterations and propose that we include 
the following entry:


*Software*



*License*



*Formats (file types)*



*Platforms*



*Support*



*Link*



*Notes*

Apache OpenOffice



Open Source (ALv2)



All



Windows, OS X, Linux



Community



https://www.openoffice.org/



The default and recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents. 
Third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2 available



Please advise if this is acceptable.

Best regards,

Stuart.

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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks, Stuart.
 
To be clear, I was not thinking of direct participation but something simple to 
be used in providing the “ODF in the marketplace” session with some useful 
self-explanatory data from the Apache OpenOffice Project.
 
In any case, I doubt there is something that could be done in this short time 
window.  I am thinking it would be something useful for the project to track 
and report on a quarterly basis, if feasible.
 
-   Dennis
 
From: Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 10:35
To: orc...@apache.org
Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Graham Taylor ; 
'Andrea Pescetti' ; Basil Cousins 

Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
 
Dennis,

Thank you for supporting this initiative and providing the response from the 
AOO community. I will include the AOO entry in the Application Choices table as 
proposed.

Should AOO choose to feature as a sponsor for 100GBP per language (English & 
Dutch), you will need to let Basil know by 14:00 GMT in order that the design 
can be updated.

Your participation would be welcome if it can be arranged, but fully understand 
if it cannot due to the short notice on this occasion. For future ODF 
Plugfests, we will try to provide sufficient notice for you to debate and 
prepare in good time. 

Best regards,

Stuart.
 
 
>From the Chair,
 
Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied into the 
planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.
 
It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the 
suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.  There have been no 
objections whatsoever.
 
I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.  The deadline for 
committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so I want 
to summarize where we stand.
 
PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP
 
There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds, agreement 
to provide a sponsorship, and so on.  
 
Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems to have 
been a non-starter.  I think it’s safe to say that we will not be requesting 
presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.  If that changes in the few hours 
remaining, I will let you know as soon as anything to the contrary comes to my 
attention (at UTC-0700).
 
REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST
 
Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.  It might be possible to have 
a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for the Tuesday, 
2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”  This has prompted 
barely-tentative discussion here.  Again, there has not been much headway.  It 
is definitely something for the project to look into. I am not certain what 
kind of findings can be provided at this point; having anything for the 
Plugfest seems doubtful.  The topic is still open though.
 
Regards,
 
-   Dennis
 
[ … ]

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 07 Sep 15, at 12:09, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> 
> Agreed, and I'm really sorry I couldn't make it. In future we might want to
> have a small team of people who knows how ODF Plugfests work and are
> willing to attend, give a speech and run tests. I believe we need all these
> three pieces to make our participation meaningful.


Yes. I suggested that when Andrea mentioned it. Ecce :

> This is what we should learn—some suggested guidelines:
> 
> * ODF Plugfests are something we care about and deem important.
> * If community members are able and willing to present at and thus represent 
> AOO at ODf Plugfests, then they should list themselves on a wiki devoted to 
> this and also make sure that they post to the dev@aoo mail list their 
> interest and ability in representing AOO at the plugfest. 
> * If they need money to attend, let us all know on the dev@aoo list.
> * If they cannot make it and if it seems as if no one can make it, 
> yikes—maybe.
> * collateral material (eg, leaflets), etc. can be produced using our funds 
> but we all need to know of this need and it must sit within our broader 
> mandate as part of ASF as well as any local need. 
> 
> These guidelines represent an effort to make visible what is probably already 
> codified and also practiced. There are events, ongoing processes (like the 
> ODF plugfests) that affect us (as a larger community) and in which I think we 
> have an interest. The ODF plugfest is, however, just one instance; there are 
> others, I have no doubt. 
> 
> The guidelines are intended to make it easier for us to track such interests. 
> Of course, we’ve done this all before, and there’s no harm in importing what 
> has worked before.

(Note, those of us with long standing in this project, and I count among them 
Andrea, Roberto, me, plus many others, may be forgiven moments of déjà vu, the 
sense that, "Haven’t we done this before? Solved that? Written the wikis, the 
guidelines? Established best practices?" To which, one can answer, Yes. Now 
let’s do it again.)
louis



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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

>From the Chair,
 
Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied into the 
planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet.
 
It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the 
suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.  There have been no 
objections whatsoever.
 
I appreciate that it is already evening where you are.  The deadline for 
committing to booklet design will be early tomorrow for some of us, so I want 
to summarize where we stand.
 
PLUGFEST BOOKLET SPONSORSHIP
 
There is a simple consensus process for deliberation on travel funds, agreement 
to provide a sponsorship, and so on.  
 
Although it was suggested that a proposal be deliberated on, it seems to have 
been a non-starter.  I think it’s safe to say that we will not be requesting 
presentation as a sponsor for the booklet.  If that changes in the few hours 
remaining, I will let you know as soon as anything to the contrary comes to my 
attention (at UTC-0700).
 
REPORTING TO THE PLUGFEST
 
Finally, the Plugfest is only 7 days ahead of us.  It might be possible to have 
a few slides on “ODF in the Apache OpenOffice Marketplace” for the Tuesday, 
2015-09-15 session on “ODF in the market place.”  This has prompted 
barely-tentative discussion here.  Again, there has not been much headway.  It 
is definitely something for the project to look into. I am not certain what 
kind of findings can be provided at this point; having anything for the 
Plugfest seems doubtful.  The topic is still open though.
 
Regards,
 
-   Dennis
 
From: Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 08:52
To: Andrea Pescetti ; dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: 'Graham Taylor' 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
 
Andrea,



On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously published 
"Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully considered, so it 
will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed 
replacement table at the end of this email 

We don't CC you on all replies, but you can find a draft of the current updates 
we would make to the Application Choices table (limited to the OpenOffice entry 
of course) at 
http://s.apache.org/Hoh (scroll down until the end) 

I have reviewed the thread, thank you for your efforts and community engagement 
with this.



If that changes further, we'll send you an updated version by Tuesday morning 
European time, but you can use that version for the time being. 

I have made a couple of minor alterations and propose that we include the 
following entry:

Software
License
Formats (file types)
Platforms
Support
Link
Notes

Apache OpenOffice
Open Source (ALv2)
All
Windows, OS X, Linux
Community
https://www.openoffice.org/
The default and recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents. Third-party 
ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2 available

Please advise if this is acceptable.

Best regards,

Stuart.
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• Open Source Specialists 
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-05 12:49 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti :

> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.
>>
>
> Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where
> we politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of time
> given the very close deadlines.
>
> Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to
> bring the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book, but
> still I'd like that we get done what we can get done.
>
> Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
> 1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
> 2) Updates for the leaflet
> 3) Financial support for the leaflet
> the one that we can get done for sure is 2.
>
> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is approved
> it will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an intercontinental flight
> (which is a pity since we started discussing the Plugfest attendance three
> months ago, we should really learn from this).
>

Agreed, and I'm really sorry I couldn't make it. In future we might want to
have a small team of people who knows how ODF Plugfests work and are
willing to attend, give a speech and run tests. I believe we need all these
three pieces to make our participation meaningful.


>
> For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135
> EUR = ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we can't
> get anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September afternoon
> European time).
>

Considered the US long week-end 'issue' and the time frame, plus Dennis'
concerns it seems clear we're late for this. Also if I understand correctly
what that means is that they won't print our logo featured on the inside
back cover, not that the leaflet won't be printed. Given the fact we're not
attending or participating, this seems the less important thing to me.



>
> So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data
> about OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently
> there and what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on Tuesday
> morning European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be happier).
>
> NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
> Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
> License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
> Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
> Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux,
> third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
> Support  Community(no changes) [2]
> Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
> Notes(empty)  (empty)
>
> [1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
> [2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.
>
> Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications"
> sections, which is what they need most?
>

Thanks for all this.

Roberto


>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Stuart J Mackintosh]

Andrea,



On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously published
"Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully considered, so it
will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed
replacement table at the end of this email


We don't CC you on all replies, but you can find a draft of the 
current updates we would make to the Application Choices table 
(limited to the OpenOffice entry of course) at

http://s.apache.org/Hoh (scroll down until the end)


I have reviewed the thread, thank you for your efforts and community 
engagement with this.


If that changes further, we'll send you an updated version by Tuesday 
morning European time, but you can use that version for the time being.


I have made a couple of minor alterations and propose that we include 
the following entry:


Software



License



Formats (file types)



Platforms



Support



Link



Notes

Apache OpenOffice



Open Source (ALv2)



All



Windows, OS X, Linux




Community



https://www.openoffice.org/



The default and recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents. 
Third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2 available



Please advise if this is acceptable.

Best regards,

Stuart.

--

Stuart J Mackintosh

Director / Owner

OpusVL Logo

Business management software - Joined-up, flexible & open

• Open Source Specialists

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

Stuart J Mackintosh wrote:

On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously published
"Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully considered, so it
will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed
replacement table at the end of this email


We don't CC you on all replies, but you can find a draft of the current 
updates we would make to the Application Choices table (limited to the 
OpenOffice entry of course) at


http://s.apache.org/Hoh (scroll down until the end)

If that changes further, we'll send you an updated version by Tuesday 
morning European time, but you can use that version for the time being.


The text you see at that link contains two notes, [1] and [2], that were 
meant for the discussion and should be deleted, as it will be clear when 
you read them.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 05 Sep 15, at 06:49, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is approved it 
> will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an intercontinental flight 
> (which is a pity since we started discussing the Plugfest attendance three 
> months ago, we should really learn from this).


Yes. 
This is what we should learn—some suggested guidelines:

* ODF Plugfests are something we care about and deem important.
* If community members are able and willing to present at and thus represent 
AOO at ODf Plugfests, then they should list themselves on a wiki devoted to 
this and also make sure that they post to the dev@aoo mail list their interest 
and ability in representing AOO at the plugfest. 
* If they need money to attend, let us all know on the dev@aoo list.
* If they cannot make it and if it seems as if no one can make it, yikes—maybe.
* collateral material (eg, leaflets), etc. can be produced using our funds but 
we all need to know of this need and it must sit within our broader mandate as 
part of ASF as well as any local need. 

These guidelines represent an effort to make visible what is probably already 
codified and also practiced. There are events, ongoing processes (like the ODF 
plugfests) that affect us (as a larger community) and in which I think we have 
an interest. The ODF plugfest is, however, just one instance; there are others, 
I have no doubt. 

The guidelines are intended to make it easier for us to track such interests. 
Of course, we’ve done this all before, and there’s no harm in importing what 
has worked before.

louis
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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks Andrea, that answers all of my questions about the update and what is 
being updated.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 12:02
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I am missing context.  Where are you seeing this information and where do you 
> propose to submit the updates?

It is page 5 of 
http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
 
(the document to be updated) but in a newer version that I got by mail. 
All I have is what I forwarded in the "NEEDED" and "CURRENT" column (so, 
what they need and what they provisionally put there) in the message 
where I added the "PROPOSED" column.

As for the "where" updates should be submitted: there were some people 
in CC in my mail. I don't know them. I only know that these are the 
people who are taking care of producing and updating the leaflet. So 
those are the addresses we must send the updates to.

> Is it meaningful to report that the default and recommended outputs are 
> Extended ODF 1.2 documents (...)?

Yes, good suggestion. So instead of leaving the "Notes" field empty, 
I'll change it into "The default and recommended outputs are Extended 
ODF 1.2 documents".

Updated proposal:

NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
Support  Community(no changes) [2]
Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
Notes(empty)  The default and 
recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents

[1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
[2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

I am missing context.  Where are you seeing this information and where do you 
propose to submit the updates?


It is page 5 of 
http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf 
(the document to be updated) but in a newer version that I got by mail. 
All I have is what I forwarded in the "NEEDED" and "CURRENT" column (so, 
what they need and what they provisionally put there) in the message 
where I added the "PROPOSED" column.


As for the "where" updates should be submitted: there were some people 
in CC in my mail. I don't know them. I only know that these are the 
people who are taking care of producing and updating the leaflet. So 
those are the addresses we must send the updates to.



Is it meaningful to report that the default and recommended outputs are 
Extended ODF 1.2 documents (...)?


Yes, good suggestion. So instead of leaving the "Notes" field empty, 
I'll change it into "The default and recommended outputs are Extended 
ODF 1.2 documents".


Updated proposal:

NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2

Support  Community(no changes) [2]
Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
Notes(empty)  The default and 
recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2 documents


[1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
[2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.

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  Andrea.

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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks Andrea,

I am missing context.  Where are you seeing this information and where do you 
propose to submit the updates?

I have no problem with the proposed changes.  Just want to know where they go.

Is it meaningful to report that the default and recommended outputs are 
Extended ODF 1.2 documents (i.e., not "strict" as some want, and not 
automatically interoperable)?

 - Dennis



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From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 03:49
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[ ... ]

So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data 
about OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently 
there and what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on 
Tuesday morning European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be 
happier).

NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
Support  Community(no changes) [2]
Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
Notes(empty)  (empty)

[1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
[2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.

Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications" 
sections, which is what they need most?

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/05/2015 03:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.
> 
> Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where
> we politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of
> time given the very close deadlines.
> 
> Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to
> bring the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book,
> but still I'd like that we get done what we can get done.
> 
> Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
> 1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
> 2) Updates for the leaflet
> 3) Financial support for the leaflet
> the one that we can get done for sure is 2.
> 
> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is
> approved it will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an
> intercontinental flight (which is a pity since we started discussing the
> Plugfest attendance three months ago, we should really learn from this).
> 
> For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135
> EUR = ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we
> can't get anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September
> afternoon European time).
> 
> So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data
> about OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently
> there and what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on
> Tuesday morning European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be
> happier).
> 
> NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
> Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
> License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
> Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
> Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux,
> third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
> Support  Community(no changes) [2]
> Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
> Notes(empty)  (empty)
> 
> [1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
> [2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.
> 
> Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications"
> sections, which is what they need most?
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

Looks good to me.



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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 05/09/2015 Dave Fisher wrote:

If we have funded the leaflet before then I have objections.
 ... Excuse me I meant NO objections. Sorry.


We've never funded it before anyway. Apache OpenOffice never funded 
participation of people in ODF Plugfests or production of associated 
leaflets/materials. This doesn't mean that we can't do it of course! 
Just, we don't have an "established tradition" which would make things 
simpler and decisions easier.


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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dave Fisher]

Excuse me I meant NO objections. Sorry.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> I see no objections to the wording.
> 
> If we have funded the leaflet before then I have objections. If not and this 
> is permitted then I am for LAZY CONSENSUS.
> 
> That covers 2 and 3.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> 
>> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>> Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.
>> 
>> Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where we 
>> politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of time 
>> given the very close deadlines.
>> 
>> Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to bring 
>> the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book, but still 
>> I'd like that we get done what we can get done.
>> 
>> Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
>> 1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
>> 2) Updates for the leaflet
>> 3) Financial support for the leaflet
>> the one that we can get done for sure is 2.
>> 
>> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is approved it 
>> will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an intercontinental flight 
>> (which is a pity since we started discussing the Plugfest attendance three 
>> months ago, we should really learn from this).
>> 
>> For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135 EUR 
>> = ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we can't get 
>> anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September afternoon European 
>> time).
>> 
>> So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data about 
>> OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently there and 
>> what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on Tuesday morning 
>> European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be happier).
>> 
>> NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
>> Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
>> License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
>> Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
>> Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
>> third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
>> Support  Community(no changes) [2]
>> Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
>> Notes(empty)  (empty)
>> 
>> [1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
>> [2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.
>> 
>> Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications" 
>> sections, which is what they need most?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>> 
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dave Fisher]

I see no objections to the wording.

If we have funded the leaflet before then I have objections. If not and this is 
permitted then I am for LAZY CONSENSUS.

That covers 2 and 3.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.
> 
> Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where we 
> politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of time given 
> the very close deadlines.
> 
> Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to bring 
> the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book, but still I'd 
> like that we get done what we can get done.
> 
> Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
> 1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
> 2) Updates for the leaflet
> 3) Financial support for the leaflet
> the one that we can get done for sure is 2.
> 
> For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is approved it 
> will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an intercontinental flight 
> (which is a pity since we started discussing the Plugfest attendance three 
> months ago, we should really learn from this).
> 
> For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135 EUR = 
> ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we can't get 
> anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September afternoon European 
> time).
> 
> So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data about 
> OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently there and 
> what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on Tuesday morning 
> European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be happier).
> 
> NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
> Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
> License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
> Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
> Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
> third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2
> Support  Community(no changes) [2]
> Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
> Notes(empty)  (empty)
> 
> [1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
> [2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.
> 
> Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications" 
> sections, which is what they need most?
> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.


Being realistic, this won't help much at this stage. Every message where 
we politely ask each other to start a proper discussion is a waste of 
time given the very close deadlines.


Note that I am not involved with the Plugfest at all and I happened to 
bring the issue here just because of someone's outdated address book, 
but still I'd like that we get done what we can get done.


Out of the three issues I originally mentioned:
1) Someone from OpenOffice attending
2) Updates for the leaflet
3) Financial support for the leaflet
the one that we can get done for sure is 2.

For 1) we have Louis' availability but by the time everything is 
approved it will be unrealistic that he can still arrange an 
intercontinental flight (which is a pity since we started discussing the 
Plugfest attendance three months ago, we should really learn from this).


For 3) while I do see some consensus on contributing the 100 GBP = ~135 
EUR = ~150 USD for printing the English leaflet, my worry is that we 
can't get anything decided by the deadline (Tuesday 8 September 
afternoon European time).


So, coming to item 2: I'm still hopeful we can provide up-to-date data 
about OpenOffice. You can find below what is needed, what is currently 
there and what I propose we send them (which I will have to do on 
Tuesday morning European time; if someone else takes care of it I'll be 
happier).


NEEDED   CURRENT  PROPOSED
Software (name)  Apache Open Office   Apache OpenOffice
License  Open Source  Open Source (ALv2)
Formats  All  (no changes) [1]
Platforms(empty)  Windows, OS X, Linux, 
third-party ports to Android, FreeBSD, OS/2

Support  Community(no changes) [2]
Link http://www.openoffice.org/   (no changes)
Notes(empty)  (empty)

[1]: Formats are the ODF file extensions, not the non-ODF file types.
[2]: Here the choice is between Community and Commercial.

Can we at least agree on this basic information for the "Applications" 
sections, which is what they need most?


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  Andrea.

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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Great!! My mistake.  Go for it: [PROPOSE], [DISCUSS], whatever.  I think the 
idea is to avoid a [VOTE] wherever possible.  Perfect.

 - Dennis

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From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 19:22
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Hi all,

> On 04 Sep 15, at 22:13, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> I think the idea is to work toward consensus.  The proposal of a [VOTE] on a 
> matter not yet made specific and discussed is not particularly advisable.

Oh dear. I guess I was not clear and inadvertently caused more confusion than 
usual. I wrote, "Roberto, do you want to imitate the discussion for a vote…." 
That is to say, not have a vote, but yet to have discussion that would be 
productive and result in a vote. I actually did not mean to suggest we should 
leap to a vote. As my language I thought had conveyed, I want to hit the "Let’s 
Think About This" button and then press the "Let's Act As A Community."


> 
> How about a [PROPOSE] or a [DISCUSS] thread.  If you look for a lazy 
> consensus, please allow for the fact that this is a 3-day Holiday weekend in 
> the United States.

Sure. A discussion that could lead to vote, in the end. I think the most 
important point I was actually trying to convey to Roberto is that there is no 
project lead or chair and if he deems the issue here important, then he is 
entitled to initiate the process the would lead in the end to action. 

Louis
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 18:20
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
> 
> Roberto, do you want to initiate the discussion for a vote by the community 
> including the binding PMC members? I would prefer to keep it all public and 
> just have the PMC members indicate at vote their status.
> 
> But go ahead and let’s get the issue a) clarified and b) framed in such a way 
> that we can act on it.
> 
> louis
> 
> 
>> On 04 Sep 15, at 10:04, Roberto Galoppini  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Basil,
>> 
>> Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
>> opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
>> sponsor the English version.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>> 
>>> Hi Roberto,
>>> 
>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>> 
>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
>>> or is there a more recent one?
>>> 
>>> Basil
>>> 
>>> Basil
>>> 
>>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Comments inline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>>>>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>>>>> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>>>>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>>>>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>>>>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>>>>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>>>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>>&

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,

> On 04 Sep 15, at 22:13, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> I think the idea is to work toward consensus.  The proposal of a [VOTE] on a 
> matter not yet made specific and discussed is not particularly advisable.

Oh dear. I guess I was not clear and inadvertently caused more confusion than 
usual. I wrote, "Roberto, do you want to imitate the discussion for a vote…." 
That is to say, not have a vote, but yet to have discussion that would be 
productive and result in a vote. I actually did not mean to suggest we should 
leap to a vote. As my language I thought had conveyed, I want to hit the "Let’s 
Think About This" button and then press the "Let's Act As A Community."


> 
> How about a [PROPOSE] or a [DISCUSS] thread.  If you look for a lazy 
> consensus, please allow for the fact that this is a 3-day Holiday weekend in 
> the United States.

Sure. A discussion that could lead to vote, in the end. I think the most 
important point I was actually trying to convey to Roberto is that there is no 
project lead or chair and if he deems the issue here important, then he is 
entitled to initiate the process the would lead in the end to action. 

Louis
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 18:20
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
> 
> Roberto, do you want to initiate the discussion for a vote by the community 
> including the binding PMC members? I would prefer to keep it all public and 
> just have the PMC members indicate at vote their status.
> 
> But go ahead and let’s get the issue a) clarified and b) framed in such a way 
> that we can act on it.
> 
> louis
> 
> 
>> On 04 Sep 15, at 10:04, Roberto Galoppini  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Basil,
>> 
>> Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
>> opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
>> sponsor the English version.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>> 
>>> Hi Roberto,
>>> 
>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>> 
>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
>>> or is there a more recent one?
>>> 
>>> Basil
>>> 
>>> Basil
>>> 
>>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Comments inline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>>>>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>>>>> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>>>>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>>>>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>>>>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>>>>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>>>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>>>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>>>>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>>>>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>>>>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, f

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I think the idea is to work toward consensus.  The proposal of a [VOTE] on a 
matter not yet made specific and discussed is not particularly advisable.

How about a [PROPOSE] or a [DISCUSS] thread.  If you look for a lazy consensus, 
please allow for the fact that this is a 3-day Holiday weekend in the United 
States.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 18:20
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Roberto, do you want to initiate the discussion for a vote by the community 
including the binding PMC members? I would prefer to keep it all public and 
just have the PMC members indicate at vote their status.

But go ahead and let’s get the issue a) clarified and b) framed in such a way 
that we can act on it.

louis


> On 04 Sep 15, at 10:04, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> 
> Hi Basil,
> 
> Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
> opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
> sponsor the English version.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
> 
>> Hi Roberto,
>> 
>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>> 
>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
>> or is there a more recent one?
>> 
>> Basil
>> 
>> Basil
>> 
>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Comments inline.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>>>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>>>> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>>>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>>>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>>>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>>>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>>>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>>>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>>>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
>>>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>>>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
>>>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
>>>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
>>>> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
>>>> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
>>>> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
>>>> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
>>>> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
>>> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
>>> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) I was contacted (for no speci

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Roberto, do you want to initiate the discussion for a vote by the community 
including the binding PMC members? I would prefer to keep it all public and 
just have the PMC members indicate at vote their status.

But go ahead and let’s get the issue a) clarified and b) framed in such a way 
that we can act on it.

louis


> On 04 Sep 15, at 10:04, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> 
> Hi Basil,
> 
> Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
> opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
> sponsor the English version.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
> 
>> Hi Roberto,
>> 
>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>> 
>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
>> or is there a more recent one?
>> 
>> Basil
>> 
>> Basil
>> 
>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Comments inline.
 
 
> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
 The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
> 
> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
 Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
> 
> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
 considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
 attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
 he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
 allocate a budget from our events fund.
 
>>> 
>>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
 negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
 late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
 price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
 the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
 how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
 days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
 costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
 trip from AMS is cheaper.
 
 I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
 one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
 couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
 or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
 furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
 some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
 
>>> 
>>> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
>>> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
>>> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
> 
> 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
 Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
 forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
 Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
> 
 http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> and there is also an infographic available at
 http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is
 CC. We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone
 who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part
 needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
 
 I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
 have talent to enhance this, no?
 
> 
> 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
 can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the
 Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is
 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it
 would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could
 be used to support this. Please state if you propose that we al

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Hi Basil,
 
It appears this message was caught in whatever routing issue that interfered 
with traffic between the US and UK earlier today.  Here, we have already seen 
Roberto’s response, a second response from you, and discussion on dev@ oo.a.o.  
I think we’ll all catch our breath now and wait for things to quiet down.
 
-   Dennis
 
From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 05:32
To: Roberto Galoppini 
Cc: dev ; Stuart Mackintosh ; 
Graham Taylor 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
 
Hi Roberto,
 
Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for 
£100+VAT to cover the English Version.
Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?  
 
Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office or is 
there a more recent one?
 
Basil
 
Basil
 
On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
 
2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts mailto:lui...@gmail.com> >:
Hi all,
Comments inline.


> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  <mailto:pesce...@apache.org> > wrote:
>
> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in The 
> Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>
> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time. Deadline 
> is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>
> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never 
> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to 
> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified he 
> is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to 
> allocate a budget from our events fund.
 
When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of business 
meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately. 

 

The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be 
negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very late 
trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick price check 
via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat the cost (R/T) 
would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know how much that would 
be but probably not that much, though still, for three days, at leasts 150 USD, 
and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is costly.) Besides Air Transat, the 
average price for airfare to AMS is about 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 
500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train trip from AMS is cheaper.

I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating one. I 
know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a couple of years 
ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF or for ODF and though 
I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in furthering usage of ODF, 
not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to some extent I’ll be mostly 
competent at relaying speech.
 
I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our concerns 
around office formats' interoperability.
I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask. 
 


>
> 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a Plugfest) by 
> Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to forward his 
> request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF Plugfest. The 2014 
> version is here:
> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> and there is also an infographic available at 
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC. We 
> can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone who 
> attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part needing 
> more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.

I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we have 
talent to enhance this, no?

>
> 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One can 
> support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the Dutch 
> version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is 100 GBP 
> (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it would be 
> useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could be used to 
> support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate budget and, in 
> case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English version or both 
> versions.

I think it would be money well spent.
 
Agree for the English version, as far

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Basil Cousins]

Hi Roberto,

Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
£100+VAT to cover the English Version.
Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?

Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
or is there a more recent one?

Basil

Basil

On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:

>
>
> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>
>> Hi all,
>> Comments inline.
>>
>>
>> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> >
>> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>> >
>> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>> >
>> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>
>
> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>
>
>
>>
>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>
>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
>> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
>> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
>> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
>> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
>> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>>
>
> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
>> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
>> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
>> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
>> >
>> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
>> > and there is also an infographic available at
>> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
>> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC.
>> We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone who
>> attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part needing
>> more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>>
>> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
>> have talent to enhance this, no?
>>
>> >
>> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
>> can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the
>> Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is
>> 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it
>> would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could
>> be used to support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate
>> budget and, in case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English
>> version or both versions.
>>
>> I think it would be money well spent.
>>
>
> Agree for the English version, as far as we can also enrich its content,
> though.
>
> Roberto
>
>
>
>> Note. This ODF Plugfest brings together some rather important players
>> form the UK, which is supposedly tending toward it. Independent of any
>> particular implementation’s concerns or desires, it is, as Roberto G.
>> pointed out, important that there be *real* solid interest in working with
>> the government to satisfy their mandate.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >  Andrea.
>> >
>> -best
>> louis
>>
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> >
>>

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,
(dropped the cc’d outside of AOO).

> On 04 Sep 15, at 15:32, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> Stuart,
>  
> Thank you for your rapid response.
>  
> I assume 2015-09-08T16:00 is UTC+0100 (BST)?
>  
> I think there are two matters.
>  
> First, it would be very useful to know what the modifications to the 
> “Application Choices” table are, and also anything new with respect to 
> differences concerning the International Standards mentioned and also 
> application differences.
>  
> Secondly, I am concerned that there are various advocacy and high-level 
> claims that may be inappropriate for the ASF and, consequently, Apache 
> OpenOffice, to appear associated with.  That’s a provisional observation.  
> Further discussion will occur here, I’m certain. 

>  
> I personally favor the technical activities of the ODF Plugfests and also the 
> informational activities of the Plugfest events.  The only issue is how 
> sponsoring the “Open Document Principles” booklet reflects on the AOO 
> Project’s charge to operate with good will to all software projects and focus 
> on producing software, free to the public, as a public good.

Dennis, I can’t claim to be enamoured of your legalistic phrasing and parsing 
of whether any endorsement of the leaflet would be in keeping with the ASF’s 
articulated (and tax sensitive) mission. I appreciate your point, however. It 
is not a trivial observation and does merit discussion, action, by the 
community. But the language is somewhat off-putting, or at least it was with 
me. The blunter language of your last paragraph is much more to the point and 
comprehensible. It’s something we in this community can work with. 

Note, our support of the plugfests has a long history, antedating AOO. 
"Support" does not mean monetary; it means, here, a support of the cause of the 
ODF. Specific instances would be Roberto participating as the AOO rep. last ODF 
Plugfest. (My prior participations were under my own recognisance or as a 
member of Oasis; same for Rob, I think.)

If we, the community want to discuss supporting the leaflet, I’d suggest we get 
on it. I’d like to set a deadline so that we can let Stuart know sooner than 
later.

I’d also like to learn if we are going to send someone to the event. As time 
drips into the sewage of the past, the answer edges toward "no." :-)

louis


>  
> -   Dennis
>  
> From: Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:27
> To: orc...@apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org; 'Roberto Galoppini' 
> 
> Cc: 'Graham Taylor' 
> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>  
> Dennis,
>> Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
> Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it takes 
> time to muster volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against the clock. 
> There is an imminent deadline, print will be finalised and sent Tuesday 
> 08/09/2015 at 16:00.
> 
>> Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would 
>> be helpful.
> Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format principles 
> for Government Technology" will follow a similar style and content to the 
> booklet produced after the 10th Plugfest and published on Document Freedom 
> Day 2015 (downloadable from 
> http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/283/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf),
>  but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th plugfest 
> and an improved "Application Choices" table. 
> 
> An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from 
> http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/281/OFE-COIS-ODF-infographic-release-02150325-by-sa.png)
>  will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, both 
> printed in English and Dutch.
> 
> The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can be 
> found here: http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> 
> I hope this helps inform you of our project.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Stuart.
> 
> PS Louis, thanks for the note.
> 
> 
>>  
>>  
>>  -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>> orc...@apache.org
>> dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430
>> https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
>>     X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
>> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
>> To: Roberto Galoppini 
>> Cc: dev ; Stuart Mackintosh ; 
>> Graham Taylor 
>> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaf

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Stuart,
 
Thank you for your rapid response.
 
I assume 2015-09-08T16:00 is UTC+0100 (BST)?
 
I think there are two matters.
 
First, it would be very useful to know what the modifications to the 
“Application Choices” table are, and also anything new with respect to 
differences concerning the International Standards mentioned and also 
application differences.
 
Secondly, I am concerned that there are various advocacy and high-level claims 
that may be inappropriate for the ASF and, consequently, Apache OpenOffice, to 
appear associated with.  That’s a provisional observation.  Further discussion 
will occur here, I’m certain. 
 
Factors I think the Apache OpenOffice community needs to consider are 
 
1.  The mission of the ASF is “to provide software for the public good,” 
expanded on at http://www.apache.org/foundation/.
   
2.  As part of serving a public interest, the ASF also tasks itself and its 
project to operate as good open-source citizens.  In particular, there are no 
claims or observations made about the work of non-ASF projects and 
non-open-source projects of any kind.  The ASF does not speak to the quality of 
International Standards, either.  I am certain individuals who participate on 
ASF Projects have many views of their own about this.  As far as I know, the 
ASF does not make that its business just the same.
   
3.  To the best of my knowledge, the Apache OpenOffice project has never made 
an auditable, verifiable claim that its support for ODF 1.2 is “full,” although 
there are implementation-defined/dependent and even unspecified features in the 
ODF 1.2 specification that could be identified in some sort of Apache 
OpenOffice profile of its ODF 1.2 support.  I do not believe such a profile is 
available at this time.
 
Those are my concerns.  We will probably be discussing them for a few days here.
 
I personally favor the technical activities of the ODF Plugfests and also the 
informational activities of the Plugfest events.  The only issue is how 
sponsoring the “Open Document Principles” booklet reflects on the AOO Project’s 
charge to operate with good will to all software projects and focus on 
producing software, free to the public, as a public good.
 
-   Dennis
 
From: Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:s...@opusvl.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:27
To: orc...@apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org; 'Roberto Galoppini' 

Cc: 'Graham Taylor' 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
 
Dennis,
Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it takes 
time to muster volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against the clock. There 
is an imminent deadline, print will be finalised and sent Tuesday 08/09/2015 at 
16:00.


Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would be 
helpful.
Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format principles for 
Government Technology" will follow a similar style and content to the booklet 
produced after the 10th Plugfest and published on Document Freedom Day 2015 
(downloadable from 
http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/283/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
 
<http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/283/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf>
 ), but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th 
plugfest and an improved "Application Choices" table. 

An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from 
http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/281/OFE-COIS-ODF-infographic-release-02150325-by-sa.png
 
<http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/281/OFE-COIS-ODF-infographic-release-02150325-by-sa.png>
 ) will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, both 
printed in English and Dutch.

The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can be 
found here: http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/

I hope this helps inform you of our project.

Best regards,

Stuart.

PS Louis, thanks for the note.



 
 
 -- Dennis E. Hamilton
orc...@apache.org <mailto:orc...@apache.org> 
dennis.hamil...@acm.org <mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org> +1-206-779-9430
https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
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-Original Message-
From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
To: Roberto Galoppini  <mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> 

Cc: dev  <mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> ; Stuart 
Mackintosh  <mailto:s...@opusvl.com> ; Graham Taylor  
<mailto:gra...@openforumeurope.org> 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
 
Roberto,
 
The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
 provisionally. OK?
 
Basil
 
On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Robe

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Stuart J Mackintosh]

Dennis,

Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it 
takes time to muster volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against the 
clock. There is an imminent deadline, print will be finalised and sent 
Tuesday 08/09/2015 at 16:00.

Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would be 
helpful.
Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format 
principles for Government Technology" will follow a similar style and 
content to the booklet produced after the 10th Plugfest and published on 
Document Freedom Day 2015 (downloadable from 
http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/283/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf), 
but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th 
plugfest and an improved "Application Choices" table.


An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from 
http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/281/OFE-COIS-ODF-infographic-release-02150325-by-sa.png) 
will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, both 
printed in English and Dutch.


The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can 
be found here: http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/


I hope this helps inform you of our project.

Best regards,

Stuart.

PS Louis, thanks for the note.



  -- Dennis E. Hamilton
 orc...@apache.org
 dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430
 https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
 X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail



-Original Message-
From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
To: Roberto Galoppini 
Cc: dev ; Stuart Mackintosh ; Graham 
Taylor 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Roberto,

The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
  provisionally. OK?

Basil

On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini 
wrote:
Basil,

I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
manage this situation, though.

Roberto

2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :


Roberto,

We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
version?

Basil

On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Basil,

  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
to sponsor the English version.

Thanks,

2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :


Hi Roberto,

Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
£100+VAT to cover the English Version.
Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?

Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
Office or is there a more recent one?

Basil

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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Note, to Basil, Stuart, Graham— (Wave of hello!—)

Just an alert that we are cc’ing the infinitely public dev@ list. It is not a 
private list. What you write, including your signature, etc. will be public and 
stay that way.

You probably know this already. And I’m being late about my warning. So it goes.

best
louis


> On 04 Sep 15, at 13:10, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> My apologies, Basil (and hello again!),
> 
> This came up very late and we may not be able to sort things out in time for 
> you.  
> 
> Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
> 
> Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would 
> be helpful.
> 
> (Attachments don't survive on this list though.)
> 
> If you prefer that work-in-progress not be posted to this public list, you 
> are welcome to respond to private@ openoffice.apache.org where the Project 
> Management Committee can look it over.  We will probably need to have a link 
> to some repository location.
> 
> 
> -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>orc...@apache.org
>dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430
>https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
>X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
> To: Roberto Galoppini 
> Cc: dev ; Stuart Mackintosh ; 
> Graham Taylor 
> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
> 
> Roberto,
> 
> The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
> provisionally. OK?
> 
> Basil
> 
> On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini > wrote:
> 
>> Basil,
>> 
>> I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
>> you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
>> manage this situation, though.
>> 
>> Roberto
>> 
>> 2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>> 
>>> Roberto,
>>> 
>>> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
>>> version?
>>> 
>>> Basil
>>> 
>>> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Basil,
>>>> 
>>>> Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>>>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
>>>> to sponsor the English version.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roberto,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
>>>>> Office or is there a more recent one?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Basil
> [ ... ]
> 
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RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

My apologies, Basil (and hello again!),

This came up very late and we may not be able to sort things out in time for 
you.  

Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?

Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would be 
helpful.

(Attachments don't survive on this list though.)

If you prefer that work-in-progress not be posted to this public list, you are 
welcome to respond to private@ openoffice.apache.org where the Project 
Management Committee can look it over.  We will probably need to have a link to 
some repository location.


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-Original Message-
From: Basil Cousins [mailto:ba...@openforumeurope.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
To: Roberto Galoppini 
Cc: dev ; Stuart Mackintosh ; 
Graham Taylor 
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Roberto,

The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
 provisionally. OK?

Basil

On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:

> Basil,
>
> I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
> you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
> manage this situation, though.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>
>> Roberto,
>>
>> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
>> version?
>>
>> Basil
>>
>> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Basil,
>>>
>>>  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
>>> to sponsor the English version.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>>>
>>>> Hi Roberto,
>>>>
>>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>>>
>>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
>>>> Office or is there a more recent one?
>>>>
>>>> Basil
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Basil Cousins]

Roberto,

The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
 provisionally. OK?

Basil

On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:

> Basil,
>
> I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
> you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
> manage this situation, though.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>
>> Roberto,
>>
>> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
>> version?
>>
>> Basil
>>
>> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Basil,
>>>
>>>  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
>>> to sponsor the English version.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>>>
 Hi Roberto,

 Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
 £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
 Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?

 Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
 Office or is there a more recent one?

 Basil

 Basil

 On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
 roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>
>> Hi all,
>> Comments inline.
>>
>>
>> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held
>> in The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>> >
>> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>> >
>> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've
>> never considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled
>> to attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later
>> clarified he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still
>> discuss to allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>
>
> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>
>
>
>>
>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may
>> be negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this 
>> very
>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air 
>> Transat
>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for 
>> three
>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is 
>> about
>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a 
>> train
>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>
>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the
>> initiating one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I 
>> quit
>> them a couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not
>> developing ODF or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s
>> continued interest in furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other 
>> Apache
>> projects’ ODF work, to some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying
>> speech.
>>
>
> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar
> ask.
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
>> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
>> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
>> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
>> >
>> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
>> > and there is also an infographic available at
>> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
>> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is
>> CC. We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally 
>> someone
>> who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part
>> needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>>
>> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think
>> 

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

Basil,

I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
manage this situation, though.

Roberto

2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :

> Roberto,
>
> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
> version?
>
> Basil
>
> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Basil,
>>
>>  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
>> to sponsor the English version.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :
>>
>>> Hi Roberto,
>>>
>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>>
>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
>>> Office or is there a more recent one?
>>>
>>> Basil
>>>
>>> Basil
>>>
>>> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :

> Hi all,
> Comments inline.
>
>
> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held
> in The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
> >
> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
> >
> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've
> never considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled
> to attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later
> clarified he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still
> discuss to allocate a budget from our events fund.
>

 When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
 business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.



>
> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is 
> about
> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a 
> train
> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>
> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the
> initiating one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit
> them a couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not
> developing ODF or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s
> continued interest in furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache
> projects’ ODF work, to some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying
> speech.
>

 I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
 concerns around office formats' interoperability.
 I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar
 ask.


>
>
> >
> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
> >
> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> > and there is also an infographic available at
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is
> CC. We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally 
> someone
> who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part
> needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>
> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think
> we have talent to enhance this, no?
>
> >
> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing.
> One can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government),
> the Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The 
> contribution
> is 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

Hi Basil,

 Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only my
opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community - to
sponsor the English version.

Thanks,

2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins :

> Hi Roberto,
>
> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>
> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open Office
> or is there a more recent one?
>
> Basil
>
> Basil
>
> On 4 September 2015 at 12:38, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Comments inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
>>> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
>>> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
>>> >
>>> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
>>> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
>>> >
>>> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
>>> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
>>> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
>>> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
>>> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>>>
>>
>> When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
>> business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
>>> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
>>> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
>>> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
>>> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
>>> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
>>> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
>>> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
>>> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
>>> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>>>
>>> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
>>> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
>>> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
>>> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
>>> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
>>> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>>>
>>
>> I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
>> concerns around office formats' interoperability.
>> I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
>>> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
>>> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
>>> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
>>> >
>>> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
>>> > and there is also an infographic available at
>>> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
>>> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is
>>> CC. We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone
>>> who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part
>>> needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>>>
>>> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
>>> have talent to enhance this, no?
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
>>> can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the
>>> Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is
>>> 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it
>>> would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could
>>> be used to support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate
>>> budget and, in case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English
>>> version or both versions.
>>>
>>> I think it would be money well spent.
>>>
>>
>> Agree for the English version, as far as we can also enrich its content,
>> though.
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>
>>
>>> Note. This ODF Plugfest brings together some rather important players
>>> form the UK, which is supposedly tending toward it. Independent of any
>>> particular implementation’s concerns or desires, it is, as Roberto G.
>>> point

Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-09-04 5:06 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts :

> Hi all,
> Comments inline.
>
>
> > On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> > As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in
> The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> > http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
> >
> > There are three issues that require attention in a very short time.
> Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
> >
> > 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never
> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to
> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified
> he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to
> allocate a budget from our events fund.
>

When I made plans to go I didn't know about much about my calendar of
business meetings. As of now I can't commit to that trip, unfortunately.



>
> The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be
> negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very
> late trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick
> price check via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat
> the cost (R/T) would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know
> how much that would be but probably not that much, though still, for three
> days, at leasts 150 USD, and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is
> costly.) Besides Air Transat, the average price for airfare to AMS is about
> 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train
> trip from AMS is cheaper.
>
> I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating
> one. I know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a
> couple of years ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF
> or for ODF and though I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in
> furthering usage of ODF, not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to
> some extent I’ll be mostly competent at relaying speech.
>

I agree, and I think it would be important to give a speech about our
concerns around office formats' interoperability.
I believe we can still ask Michiel or Basil to accommodate a similar ask.


>
>
> >
> > 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a
> Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to
> forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF
> Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:
> >
> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> > and there is also an infographic available at
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> > Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC.
> We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone who
> attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part needing
> more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.
>
> I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we
> have talent to enhance this, no?
>
> >
> > 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One
> can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the
> Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is
> 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it
> would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could
> be used to support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate
> budget and, in case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English
> version or both versions.
>
> I think it would be money well spent.
>

Agree for the English version, as far as we can also enrich its content,
though.

Roberto



> Note. This ODF Plugfest brings together some rather important players form
> the UK, which is supposedly tending toward it. Independent of any
> particular implementation’s concerns or desires, it is, as Roberto G.
> pointed out, important that there be *real* solid interest in working with
> the government to satisfy their mandate.
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Andrea.
> >
> -best
> louis
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Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,
Comments inline. 


> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:24, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in The 
> Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:
> http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/
> 
> There are three issues that require attention in a very short time. Deadline 
> is 8 September when not otherwise specified.
> 
> 1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never 
> considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to 
> attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later clarified he 
> is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still discuss to 
> allocate a budget from our events fund.

The event somewhat overlaps with a personal engagement but that may be 
negotiable. It depends on how much subsidy we have to support this very late 
trip—of mine, I mean. I’d be coming from Toronto, Canada. A quick price check 
via Orbitz reveals that for a flight via the dodgy Air Transat the cost (R/T) 
would be about 740 USD. Include an Airbnb room—don’t know how much that would 
be but probably not that much, though still, for three days, at leasts 150 USD, 
and probably more. (I’m guessing the Hague is costly.) Besides Air Transat, the 
average price for airfare to AMS is about 1300 USD; to the Hague (Rotterdam) 
500 USD more or so. I’m guessing a train trip from AMS is cheaper.

I’ve been to several of these events, including, I think, the initiating one. I 
know ODF fairly well, was on the Oasis TCs, etc. (I quit them a couple of years 
ago.) The drawback for me going is I’m not developing ODF or for ODF and though 
I can certainly represent AOO’s continued interest in furthering usage of ODF, 
not to mention other Apache projects’ ODF work, to some extent I’ll be mostly 
competent at relaying speech. 


> 
> 2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a Plugfest) by 
> Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission to forward his 
> request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF Plugfest. The 2014 
> version is here:
> http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
> and there is also an infographic available at 
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
> Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC. We 
> can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone who 
> attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part needing 
> more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.

I can look at it, too. But others, here, can surely weigh in. I think we have 
talent to enhance this, no?

> 
> 3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One can 
> support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), the Dutch 
> version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The contribution is 100 GBP 
> (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. If you feel it would be 
> useful, I assume that the fund for events and merchandising could be used to 
> support this. Please state if you propose that we allocate budget and, in 
> case it's a yes, if you'd rather contribute to the English version or both 
> versions.

I think it would be money well spent. 

Note. This ODF Plugfest brings together some rather important players form the 
UK, which is supposedly tending toward it. Independent of any particular 
implementation’s concerns or desires, it is, as Roberto G. pointed out, 
important that there be *real* solid interest in working with the government to 
satisfy their mandate. 


> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.
> 
-best
louis

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ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

[Andrea Pescetti]

As we discussed some weeks ago, the next ODF Plugfest will be held in 
The Hague, Netherlands, mid-September:

http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/2015-thehague/programme/

There are three issues that require attention in a very short time. 
Deadline is 8 September when not otherwise specified.


1) Is anyone going in the end? We discussed this at length. I've never 
considered going since it overlaps with another event I'm scheduled to 
attend. Dennis and Roberto were both mentioned (and Dennis later 
clarified he is busy in the US). Of course if someone goes we can still 
discuss to allocate a budget from our events fund.


2) I was contacted (for no special reason; I've never attended a 
Plugfest) by Basil Cousins of Openforum Europe, who gave me permission 
to forward his request here, about updating a leaflet for the next ODF 
Plugfest. The 2014 version is here:

http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf
and there is also an infographic available at 
http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
Can you please suggest content updates to this leaflet? Basil in is CC. 
We can discuss updates on this list and then one of us, ideally someone 
who attends the event, can send the final comments to Basil. The part 
needing more attention is the Applications Choices section on page 5.


3) For this leaflet they also ask for a contribution for printing. One 
can support printing the English version (addressed to UK government), 
the Dutch version (addressed to Dutch government) or both. The 
contribution is 100 GBP (so about 135 EUR or 150 USD) for each edition. 
If you feel it would be useful, I assume that the fund for events and 
merchandising could be used to support this. Please state if you propose 
that we allocate budget and, in case it's a yes, if you'd rather 
contribute to the English version or both versions.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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