Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
2) Add the extension LanguageTool to the package so that people have access to grammar checking Not sure that's a good idea. For example, french end-users prefer to install another extension like Grammalecte. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
So? Just disable LanguageTool and install the Grammalecte. LanguageTool supports dozens of languages. On 09/09/2014 08:24, FR web forum wrote: 2) Add the extension LanguageTool to the package so that people have access to grammar checking Not sure that's a good idea. For example, french end-users prefer to install another extension like Grammalecte. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:54:47PM +0200, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: - Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO The code of the extension (and the related core code, modules reportbuilder and reportdesign, respectively) was included in Oracle's Software Grant, but the extension depends on libraries with Category X license, so it cannot be included within an Apache product, whether in source or binary form see: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118573 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/HaqoAQ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/4ZuoAQ http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hi Ariel, but the extension depends on libraries with Category X license, so it cannot be included within an Apache product, whether in source or binary form Well, does somebody know who made this libraries? Are this libraries existing separately? I mean, does can help if someone ask this authors to donate this libraries under Apache 2 licence? Is it possible? Regrads, Wlada 2014-09-09 10:05 GMT+02:00 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:54:47PM +0200, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: - Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO The code of the extension (and the related core code, modules reportbuilder and reportdesign, respectively) was included in Oracle's Software Grant, but the extension depends on libraries with Category X license, so it cannot be included within an Apache product, whether in source or binary form see: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118573 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/HaqoAQ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/4ZuoAQ http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
support for font embedding in documents See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124040 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Here are some of my suggestions: 1) Add a 64-bit version for Windows 2) Add the extension LanguageTool to the package so that people have access to grammar checking 3) Images resize in the edges should proportionally resize images without the need of pressing CAPS (more user friendly) 4) When pasting text it should appear a radio button like in M$ Office to select the type of paste (plain text, merge, etc). 5) Allow more than one language in the UI, for example, pt_PT pre and post reform. Thanks! Kind regards, Marco A.G.Pinto -- On 06/05/2014 09:49, Rory O'Farrell wrote: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? --
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hello, I checked LO and its list of spreadsheet functions. I find list of function which does not exist in AOO. Large amount of this new spreadsheet functions (77) in LO are old functions but redesign in that way that they are now compatible with Excel 2010. Again: if we want that AOO be attractive for new users, we need this functions too. Regards, Wlada 2014-09-08 19:42 GMT+02:00 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt: Here are some of my suggestions: 1) Add a 64-bit version for Windows 2) Add the extension LanguageTool to the package so that people have access to grammar checking 3) Images resize in the edges should proportionally resize images without the need of pressing CAPS (more user friendly) 4) When pasting text it should appear a radio button like in M$ Office to select the type of paste (plain text, merge, etc). 5) Allow more than one language in the UI, for example, pt_PT pre and post reform. Thanks! Kind regards, Marco A.G.Pinto -- On 06/05/2014 09:49, Rory O'Farrell wrote: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? --
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
There are two big fronts where there has been no change in AOO for a good while and would be rather simple and quite significant if some developers can put behind it. Presentations: 2 big problems with presentation: - We still do it like it's 1993 - We still do it like it's 1963 We still trying to do webcasts in scripting language like Perl, and ASP, really? ASP? We still get ourself infront of a crowd and project into a opaque screen in an age when everyone have multiple bright high resolution HD displays in their pocket or their laps. We really need to step up in the area of webcasting. For a simple script that uses a template, we could do much better if we can update our languages to something more modern like PHP, (yes as modern as 2001). And maybe make up for the lost time and implement Node.js. Updating the webcast wizard and the languages is something that a developer with enough experience could do in a weekend, and somebody with more time could actually make it even better. Here is when both ideas can merge. Why can't we use a small embeded server (like the python's SimpleHTTPServer from the PyUNO Standard Library included in any AOO copy). And use some GUI mechanism to broadcast our presentation over the LAN. That way we can just put the URL into our projection and people (in the back) can 'connect' to our LAN broadcast and see it like if they were right upfront. This seems like a hack, but also very useful to do if you are used to doing live conferences. If you want to go beyond this idea, I encourage people to think on what can we do on our part to make web deployment of presentations easier. Think pre-recorded presentations like what Slideshare do (check image): http://www.dalebasler.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/slidecast.jpg Transforming impress into an authoring program might be a bit disruptive, but it's certainly useful to have a single audio recording that allow us to map our slides to the timeline of the audio in order to generate a self-containing file that could be the closest to a youtube presentation. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I checked LO and its list of spreadsheet functions. I find list of function which does not exist in AOO. Large amount of this new spreadsheet functions (77) in LO are old functions but redesign in that way that they are now compatible with Excel 2010. Again: if we want that AOO be attractive for new users, we need this functions too. Regards, Wlada 2014-09-08 19:42 GMT+02:00 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt: Here are some of my suggestions: 1) Add a 64-bit version for Windows 2) Add the extension LanguageTool to the package so that people have access to grammar checking 3) Images resize in the edges should proportionally resize images without the need of pressing CAPS (more user friendly) 4) When pasting text it should appear a radio button like in M$ Office to select the type of paste (plain text, merge, etc). 5) Allow more than one language in the UI, for example, pt_PT pre and post reform. Thanks! Kind regards, Marco A.G.Pinto -- On 06/05/2014 09:49, Rory O'Farrell wrote: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? -- -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hello, I checked LO and its list of spreadsheet functions. I find list of function which does not exist in AOO. Take a look attached odt file. Because this list is not small, logical conclusion is: is it smart to wait that someone finally work on this (and to have situation what we have now), or is it better to put this in some plan, making better marketing (what is need to improve in AOO) for attracting voluntaries...? 2014-09-06 19:40 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com: Hi Guy, LO already integrated this solution. I do not see that they have some big problem with this solution. In the end, we can offer two version: one with all languages (preferable option), and one version what we have now, to be sure that someone with poor internet speed can download lighter version. Maybe persons who lives in country where official language is English can not understood this problem, because basic language for UI and Help is on English language. But every others need sometimes to compare some terms in both local and English language. Regards, Wlada 2014-09-06 17:07 GMT+02:00 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com: Hi Vladislav, 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com: On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler. In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those people. Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable. Only my opinion, of course. A+ -- gw Spreadsheet functions.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar Ariel maintains an extension for that at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa. Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply you have not time for that)? This is already possible, you can download and install as many language packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable? - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for Office, well we must have all function This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar Ariel maintains an extension for that at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller Not as extension. To be a part of intalation file of AOO. - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa. Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply you have not time for that)? This is already possible, you can download and install as many language packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable? All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler. Regards, Wlada 2014-09-06 11:54 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar Ariel maintains an extension for that at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count- statusbar-controller - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa. Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply you have not time for that)? This is already possible, you can download and install as many language packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable? - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for Office, well we must have all function This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
OpenFormula Alignment (was RE: Forward planning for OO 5.0)
A good source for volunteer effort is exploration of the alignment between Calc, ODF 1.2 OpenFormula, and other ODF Spreadsheet supporting implementations such as Excel 2013 and Gnumeric. This would isolate and identify provisions of ODF 1.2 OpenFormula, such as IFERROR http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#__RefHeading__1018448_715980110, that may not yet be supported. There may be others that variances and boundaries that need to be dealt with or at least specified as implementation-dependent/defined for Apache OpenOffice. This is a rich avenue for documentation, testing, and interoperability verification as well as learning how to integrate/maintain formula processing in Apache OpenOffice Calc. Regina Henschel is a valuable resource in this area. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 02:55 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0 On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: [ ... ] - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for Office, well we must have all function This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hi Vladislav, 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com: On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler. In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those people. Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable. Only my opinion, of course. A+ -- gw
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hi Guy, LO already integrated this solution. I do not see that they have some big problem with this solution. In the end, we can offer two version: one with all languages (preferable option), and one version what we have now, to be sure that someone with poor internet speed can download lighter version. Maybe persons who lives in country where official language is English can not understood this problem, because basic language for UI and Help is on English language. But every others need sometimes to compare some terms in both local and English language. Regards, Wlada 2014-09-06 17:07 GMT+02:00 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com: Hi Vladislav, 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com: On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler. In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those people. Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable. Only my opinion, of course. A+ -- gw
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hello, Some suggests for new features? Well: - support for font embedding in documents - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar - Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa. Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply you have not time for that)? - Chart: there would be nice to have X error bars - Statistic feature, for Calc - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for Office, well we must have all function like O... - ... Regards, Wlada 2014-09-04 1:09 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Mathias Röllig mroellig.n...@gmx.net wrote: Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0? e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users. Regards, Mathias Two ideas -- * You could start with the QA list, and once a consensus is reached, initiate a discussion on dev * You could use an existing planning page on cwiki to make these issues more visible-- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 Please feel free to rename it and/or change the title to something that more fits with what you're describing, and just start listing issues that have a high priority for the next release or provide a public link to a search for them on this new page you create. And, then initiate a discussion on dev. To a certain extent, active developers do go through BZ and search for these, but, giving them more attention by listing them, as a basis for discussion here is probably a good idea. If you don't have a cwiki account, just apply for one. There are a variety of ways to do what you want to do. Get creative! :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Nothing will work unless you do. -- Maya Angelou
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0? e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Mathias Röllig mroellig.n...@gmx.net wrote: Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0? e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users. Regards, Mathias Two ideas -- * You could start with the QA list, and once a consensus is reached, initiate a discussion on dev * You could use an existing planning page on cwiki to make these issues more visible-- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 Please feel free to rename it and/or change the title to something that more fits with what you're describing, and just start listing issues that have a high priority for the next release or provide a public link to a search for them on this new page you create. And, then initiate a discussion on dev. To a certain extent, active developers do go through BZ and search for these, but, giving them more attention by listing them, as a basis for discussion here is probably a good idea. If you don't have a cwiki account, just apply for one. There are a variety of ways to do what you want to do. Get creative! :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Nothing will work unless you do. -- Maya Angelou
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:04 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen Planning for AOO 5.0 doesn't stop us working on a point release. Consider it as a longer term project. Some of the proposals might be too complex for incorporation into a point release. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 20/05/14 17:51, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:04 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen Planning for AOO 5.0 doesn't stop us working on a point release. Consider it as a longer term project. Some of the proposals might be too complex for incorporation into a point release. well don't get me wrong but on a planning page I would add only items that are more concrete and and where a developer agreed to take of it. General ideas should we better collect on some kind of backlog page. I don't like to make long lists and drop half of them later on. But that is my personal opinion. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 17:51, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:04 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen Planning for AOO 5.0 doesn't stop us working on a point release. Consider it as a longer term project. Some of the proposals might be too complex for incorporation into a point release. well don't get me wrong but on a planning page I would add only items that are more concrete and and where a developer agreed to take of it. General ideas should we better collect on some kind of backlog page. I don't like to make long lists and drop half of them later on. But that is my personal opinion. Bugzilla has items classified as defects, enhancements and features. IMHO, that is a good place for tracking feature ideas that do not have a current dev owner and are not yet assigned to a specific future release. -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:25:52 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 17:51, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:04 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen Planning for AOO 5.0 doesn't stop us working on a point release. Consider it as a longer term project. Some of the proposals might be too complex for incorporation into a point release. well don't get me wrong but on a planning page I would add only items that are more concrete and and where a developer agreed to take of it. General ideas should we better collect on some kind of backlog page. I don't like to make long lists and drop half of them later on. But that is my personal opinion. Juergen I posted some suggestions to this list in the hope that they might spark someone's interest and cause him to brood on a possible implementation. They are suggestions merely, committing no one. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 05/20/2014 10:38 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:25:52 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 17:51, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:04 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/05/14 00:59, Kay Schenk wrote: On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 is it useful to create dummy pages when we don't have agreed on a version number for the next release? I don't believe that the next version will be a AOO 5.0 ;-) Juergen Planning for AOO 5.0 doesn't stop us working on a point release. Consider it as a longer term project. Some of the proposals might be too complex for incorporation into a point release. well don't get me wrong but on a planning page I would add only items that are more concrete and and where a developer agreed to take of it. General ideas should we better collect on some kind of backlog page. I don't like to make long lists and drop half of them later on. But that is my personal opinion. Juergen I posted some suggestions to this list in the hope that they might spark someone's interest and cause him to brood on a possible implementation. They are suggestions merely, committing no one. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie Yes, you did, and in my mind that was perfectly OK. So too was calling it version 5.0 as far as I was concerned. I basically consider the wiki page a virtual white board. I would expect at some point it would get fleshed out more, with higher voted enhancements added and removed as developers see fit, critical bugs added, etc. I just thought it would better than digging through emails. -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 18/05/14 23:04, Guy Waterval wrote: Hi all, 2014-05-18 22:17 GMT+02:00 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de: Am 05/18/2014 09:40 PM, schrieb Max Merbald: I think it's a very good idea that ideas for AOO Next can be collected here. I have a few myself. One is that the user interface has not been changed/modernised significantly since OO2, with the exception of the sidebar which is very useful and which I like to use. Thus I it seems to look a bit quaint. I don't think, though, OO needs ribbon bars like Microsoft Office. It just needs a somewhat more modern look. This would be a hugh task. First think about *how* it should look like and then do it everywhere in the code. However, I've to say +1 as a more modern look feel this really overdue after this long time. For me, the most beautiful interface I've seen for a derivative of OpenOffice was the interface of Symphony (MDI). But OK, I know it's impossible to have it for OpenOffice and it would certainly cost too much work. But a slight refresh of the interface, why not if it doesn't cost too much ressources to do it. we all would like to have a fresh and more modern looking UI and I know that people have already some ideas to improve minor things with little effort. We will see what's possible but we should not expect a radical change because that is of course much more work. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
My suggestion for OO 5.0 would be improvement and extension of OO's Navigator. If one refers to Bugzilla 3959 at https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 one can see that there is a long standing call for OO to have an Outlining system similar to MS Word. Such an outliner might closely integrate with the functionality of a Writer's Organiser, which allows an author write chunks of his text and then dynamically rearrange them; in addition, such Writer's Organisers also permit tracking each chunk by the persons, locations, things, times involved. I instance two good working examples of such Organisers (opensource): Plume Creator, by Cyril Jacquet, at http://www.plume-creator.eu/site/index.php/en/ written in C++ and oStoryBook, overseen by favdb31 (sorry - I've lost the link to his full name), at https://sourceforge.net/p/ostorybook/discussion/?source=navbar a revival of StoryBook (now discontinued), written in Java. Both of these are currently undergoing revision - oStoryBook in particular to allow use of an external editor. The extension of the Navigator might also support the extended OpenDocument MetaData functions (v 1.2? - Rob?) Such a Writer's Organiser would fill a useful gap for authors, many of whom use Scrivener (commercial). It also might parallel a commercial product for Microsoft Word (I only know of this from looking at the site) of Writing Word Outliner at http://www.writingoutliner.com/. The Calligra project has under development (slowly) Calligra Author, which does not yet offer the full functionality of either of the above. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Another suggestion for OO 5.0 - Parallel columns. In OO at present (=OO 4.1) columns fill from the bottom on the first column to the top of the second column on the same page (Newspaper column fashion). Users doing textual analysis often need parallel columns, where several columns can be place on the same page (or on a two page spread) and the text continues from each column to the same column on the next page/spread. Such parallel columns are used for comparative texts in differing languages or for comparison of differing versions of a document (for example in Biblical exegesis). At present, Users desiring this may have to resort to kludges, such as tables (good when the text is in distinct verses) or linked frames. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 05/17/2014 04:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org A new AOO 5.0 release page has been created on cwiki to collect ideas. But, I would think all discussion needs to be on dev and not the comments area on that page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0 -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hello, I think it's a very good idea that ideas for AOO Next can be collected here. I have a few myself. One is that the user interface has not been changed/modernised significantly since OO2, with the exception of the sidebar which is very useful and which I like to use. Thus I it seems to look a bit quaint. I don't think, though, OO needs ribbon bars like Microsoft Office. It just needs a somewhat more modern look. And second is, when you work with pictures in Writer or Impress and you pull the picture at the corner it does not enlarge or shrink proportionally. If you want to keep the picture proportionally and enlarge or shrink it you need to use the menu. I think the pictures should enlarge or shrink proportionally when using the little green squares at the corners. You don't usually wish to change the proportions when using photos. I hope my ideas have been helpful! Max Am 18.05.2014 01:54, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Am 05/18/2014 09:40 PM, schrieb Max Merbald: I think it's a very good idea that ideas for AOO Next can be collected here. I have a few myself. One is that the user interface has not been changed/modernised significantly since OO2, with the exception of the sidebar which is very useful and which I like to use. Thus I it seems to look a bit quaint. I don't think, though, OO needs ribbon bars like Microsoft Office. It just needs a somewhat more modern look. This would be a hugh task. First think about *how* it should look like and then do it everywhere in the code. However, I've to say +1 as a more modern look feel this really overdue after this long time. And second is, when you work with pictures in Writer or Impress and you pull the picture at the corner it does not enlarge or shrink proportionally. If you want to keep the picture proportionally and enlarge or shrink it you need to use the menu. I think the pictures should enlarge or shrink proportionally when using the little green squares at the corners. You don't usually wish to change the proportions when using photos. That's already working. :-) Just hold the [Shift] key when moving the green handles. Marcus Am 18.05.2014 01:54, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Draw and Impress really need some major improvements. The way presentations are done are not as structured the way Impress view them. Many high impact presentation have a better use of graphics and more stylish use of fonts, colors etc. AOO unfortunately hasn't really make this easier, and a lot of improvements could be started. The panels showed a good way to move forward. But the way AOO handle colors could be heavily improved. Making color spectrum more available will open the user to access (quickly) the 16million colors. Improving gallery services and clipboard could also make the users drag-drop images and push them to the background if needed. Finally fileformats could be extended to add compatibility with Visio, Scribus, and SVG in general. Publishing to PDF is good but also HTML5 present a large opportunity for Impress. Being able to have prezi-like presentations would be a good idea. Generating the correct Javascript on webcast mode, could be good. On 5/17/14, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jürgen, Hi all, 2014-05-17 16:57 GMT+02:00 Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. For IBM we have clear priority for the future and that is OOXML and we will propose and discuss details soon. But I hope others have ideas as well ... By Educoo, we are thinking about a mechanism to change the profile on the fly by taking advantage of the speed of the current launch of AOO (many thanks for that). The idea would be to can install, in the same version of AOO, some predefined profiles, adapted to different levels of users (children, adolescents, adults, seniors, etc. ) so that the user can switch between them and can use the more adapted for him. OK, that's not a revolution, but that would allow a teacher to adapt to the age of the students of his classroom, for example. A+ -- gw -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hi all, 2014-05-18 22:17 GMT+02:00 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de: Am 05/18/2014 09:40 PM, schrieb Max Merbald: I think it's a very good idea that ideas for AOO Next can be collected here. I have a few myself. One is that the user interface has not been changed/modernised significantly since OO2, with the exception of the sidebar which is very useful and which I like to use. Thus I it seems to look a bit quaint. I don't think, though, OO needs ribbon bars like Microsoft Office. It just needs a somewhat more modern look. This would be a hugh task. First think about *how* it should look like and then do it everywhere in the code. However, I've to say +1 as a more modern look feel this really overdue after this long time. For me, the most beautiful interface I've seen for a derivative of OpenOffice was the interface of Symphony (MDI). But OK, I know it's impossible to have it for OpenOffice and it would certainly cost too much work. But a slight refresh of the interface, why not if it doesn't cost too much ressources to do it. A+ -- gw
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Am Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2014 um 13:55 schrieb Mathias Röllig: Hello Rory! No answer till now!? Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? Is here the best place? And how should it be discussed - every suggestion in one thread or one thread for one AOO module? What should be the main intention for acceptable improvements and additions? here is of course the place where we discuss future releases. Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. For IBM we have clear priority for the future and that is OOXML and we will propose and discuss details soon. But I hope others have ideas as well ... We know that developer resources are limited, nobody should expect that others do the work. We will try to find a compromise between our ideas and priorities and general bug fixing and other ideas. But I believe that we set our priorities in a way that help the project to grow and help the project forward. Juergen Greetings, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hi Jürgen, Hi all, 2014-05-17 16:57 GMT+02:00 Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. For IBM we have clear priority for the future and that is OOXML and we will propose and discuss details soon. But I hope others have ideas as well ... By Educoo, we are thinking about a mechanism to change the profile on the fly by taking advantage of the speed of the current launch of AOO (many thanks for that). The idea would be to can install, in the same version of AOO, some predefined profiles, adapted to different levels of users (children, adolescents, adults, seniors, etc. ) so that the user can switch between them and can use the more adapted for him. OK, that's not a revolution, but that would allow a teacher to adapt to the age of the students of his classroom, for example. A+ -- gw
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
On 17/05/2014 Juergen Schmidt wrote: Anybody can propose things and we can discuss it. ... nobody should expect that others do the work. This is an excellent summary indeed. On one hand we can discuss and collect ideas, but on the other hand these ideas need to be concretely supported by developer resources to pass from the brainstorming phase to the planning phase. At the level of brainstorming, for example, I believe that a priority for a new major release would be a better integration with our online resources (easier ways, built-in in the application, to reach our sites for feedback, volunteering, support...). But if and how this can happen will depend on the interest that current and new developers have in this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Hello Rory! No answer till now!? Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for improvements and additions to OO 5.0. Where should this best be done? Is here the best place? And how should it be discussed - every suggestion in one thread or one thread for one AOO module? What should be the main intention for acceptable improvements and additions? Greetings, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
