Re: New design of download page
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Emanuele wrote: > Marcus (OOo) wrote: > >> http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ > > > > that looks very good: > > > > - The carousel is something that we really need. > > - The drop-down menu item "Product" is a good idea to save some space. > > - The 3-column-design is not too wide. > > With shortening the text it can look even better. > > You mean the text in the three columns is too close? > It may depend on the resolution (try squeezing and enlarging the page, > the layout changes accordingly). Your seems to be 1280, right? (From > your previous email.) > Try having a look now (hard refresh to clean the cache). > > > > > PS: > > Please note that there is a difference between the page above the news > > carousel and the other part. From the technical part we have to make a > > difference how to update both parts in general. > The part above the carousel (including the carousel) depends on > bootstrap ( http://getbootstrap.com/ ).. actually I started including > bootstrap for the carousel and then I went ahead and replaced the menu > as well. :P > > >> Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit > >> responsive (just to please everybody :P). > >> I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just > >> on the general layout of the page. > > > > That's OK. We can see perfectly what you try to express. > > > > And it looks like if you want to do more and volunteer to do this > > little refresh. Am I guessing right? ;-) > > I had a bit of a hard time trying to checkout ooo-site, it was hanging > up with: > svn: E175012: Connection timed out > now it seems it finished properly... > Our site is LARGE! Yes it takes a while. > > It's just me looking at the wrong place or /ooo-site/ doesn't use > templates like /site/, but pages are created one by one? > Because the changes I did, require each page to have stuff added to the > (jQuery and bootstrap). It may be a bit more work than what you > were foreseeing. > We use Django templates. The site is generated by the ASF CMS -- see : http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html The "template" pieces are currently in the /lib and /templates directory of the ooo-site tree. It would be most helpful if discussions on this new home page design would be taken out of this current thread and started anew in its own thread. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- - MzK "To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved." -- George MacDonald
Re: New design of download page
Am 07/02/2014 09:41 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/02/2014 07:50 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: http://getbootstrap.com/css/#buttons I'm not really sure, maybe it will look very bad, but maybe there are some elements can we can work with. Maybe good or bad. But it's definitely a step back as the buttons are just colored but now we have a graphic. This would be gone which is, hm, not good looking... ;-) In the buttons of course one could reuse all the graphics, but still use Bootstrap buttons for the shape and to highlight the "active" choice. ah, yes, that would work. The current divs do not look bad (actually, they look nice!) on the current homepage, while they don't fit well in the new proposal; the hovering, for example, looks much nicer on the old design. Well, lots of options to play with! Absolutely. :-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/02/2014 07:50 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: http://getbootstrap.com/css/#buttons I'm not really sure, maybe it will look very bad, but maybe there are some elements can we can work with. Maybe good or bad. But it's definitely a step back as the buttons are just colored but now we have a graphic. This would be gone which is, hm, not good looking... ;-) In the buttons of course one could reuse all the graphics, but still use Bootstrap buttons for the shape and to highlight the "active" choice. The current divs do not look bad (actually, they look nice!) on the current homepage, while they don't fit well in the new proposal; the hovering, for example, looks much nicer on the old design. Well, lots of options to play with! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 07/02/2014 07:50 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 01/07/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/01/2014 07:27 PM, schrieb Emanuele: http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ It's shaping good... Welcome to the community, Emanuele, and thanks for jumping in! The part above the carousel (including the carousel) depends on bootstrap ( http://getbootstrap.com/ ).. actually I started including bootstrap for the carousel and then I went ahead and replaced the menu as well. :P I've seen the bootstrap addition and it looks good. But what I meant is that the upper and lower part (header and footer areas) are assembled from some template files into real HTML files. Yes, but this is not particularly problematic. Our head section may include jQuery and Bootstrap with minimal changes to what we are doing now. And, to please Infra, we can host jQuery and Bootstrap locally since they are under a permissive (MIT) license anyway. Whereas the middle part is coming directly from HTML files. Therefore we have to handle this different. Differently, but not much differently than what we do now. The main issue I see is with the main body part, the current "div with icon+title+description" style does not fit well to the proposed new layout. layout is a question of taste. I don't think it's looking bad with the new 3-column-layout. I would still use it. When shortening the text a bit (e.g., delete all "OpenOffice" and "Apache OpenOffice" words), then we can come to a 2-line-text which would look better - IMHO. > Maybe we can give Bootstrap buttons a chance? http://getbootstrap.com/css/#buttons I'm not really sure, maybe it will look very bad, but maybe there are some elements can we can work with. Maybe good or bad. But it's definitely a step back as the buttons are just colored but now we have a graphic. This would be gone which is, hm, not good looking... ;-) But when the layout around the graphic does no longer fit then we can change/improve it. I'm sure this will be possible. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On 01/07/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/01/2014 07:27 PM, schrieb Emanuele: http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ It's shaping good... Welcome to the community, Emanuele, and thanks for jumping in! The part above the carousel (including the carousel) depends on bootstrap ( http://getbootstrap.com/ ).. actually I started including bootstrap for the carousel and then I went ahead and replaced the menu as well. :P I've seen the bootstrap addition and it looks good. But what I meant is that the upper and lower part (header and footer areas) are assembled from some template files into real HTML files. Yes, but this is not particularly problematic. Our head section may include jQuery and Bootstrap with minimal changes to what we are doing now. And, to please Infra, we can host jQuery and Bootstrap locally since they are under a permissive (MIT) license anyway. Whereas the middle part is coming directly from HTML files. Therefore we have to handle this different. Differently, but not much differently than what we do now. The main issue I see is with the main body part, the current "div with icon+title+description" style does not fit well to the proposed new layout. Maybe we can give Bootstrap buttons a chance? http://getbootstrap.com/css/#buttons I'm not really sure, maybe it will look very bad, but maybe there are some elements can we can work with. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 07/01/2014 07:27 PM, schrieb Emanuele: Marcus (OOo) wrote: http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ that looks very good: - The carousel is something that we really need. - The drop-down menu item "Product" is a good idea to save some space. - The 3-column-design is not too wide. With shortening the text it can look even better. You mean the text in the three columns is too close? no, I meant when re-wording the text it would be a bit smaller and then fitting better into the design and looking better. But it's just a small thing. PS: Please note that there is a difference between the page above the news carousel and the other part. From the technical part we have to make a difference how to update both parts in general. The part above the carousel (including the carousel) depends on bootstrap ( http://getbootstrap.com/ ).. actually I started including bootstrap for the carousel and then I went ahead and replaced the menu as well. :P I've seen the bootstrap addition and it looks good. But what I meant is that the upper and lower part (header and footer areas) are assembled from some template files into real HTML files. Whereas the middle part is coming directly from HTML files. Therefore we have to handle this different. Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit responsive (just to please everybody :P). I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just on the general layout of the page. That's OK. We can see perfectly what you try to express. And it looks like if you want to do more and volunteer to do this little refresh. Am I guessing right? ;-) I had a bit of a hard time trying to checkout ooo-site, it was hanging up with: svn: E175012: Connection timed out now it seems it finished properly... Maybe a temporary problem. Yesterday I also had to wait a longer time until my commits where processed. It's just me looking at the wrong place or /ooo-site/ doesn't use templates like /site/, but pages are created one by one? Yes, nearly. Except for the header and footer area. Because the changes I did, require each page to have stuff added to the (jQuery and bootstrap). It may be a bit more work than what you were foreseeing. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Marcus (OOo) wrote: >> http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ > > that looks very good: > > - The carousel is something that we really need. > - The drop-down menu item "Product" is a good idea to save some space. > - The 3-column-design is not too wide. > With shortening the text it can look even better. You mean the text in the three columns is too close? It may depend on the resolution (try squeezing and enlarging the page, the layout changes accordingly). Your seems to be 1280, right? (From your previous email.) Try having a look now (hard refresh to clean the cache). > > PS: > Please note that there is a difference between the page above the news > carousel and the other part. From the technical part we have to make a > difference how to update both parts in general. The part above the carousel (including the carousel) depends on bootstrap ( http://getbootstrap.com/ ).. actually I started including bootstrap for the carousel and then I went ahead and replaced the menu as well. :P >> Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit >> responsive (just to please everybody :P). >> I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just >> on the general layout of the page. > > That's OK. We can see perfectly what you try to express. > > And it looks like if you want to do more and volunteer to do this > little refresh. Am I guessing right? ;-) I had a bit of a hard time trying to checkout ooo-site, it was hanging up with: svn: E175012: Connection timed out now it seems it finished properly... It's just me looking at the wrong place or /ooo-site/ doesn't use templates like /site/, but pages are created one by one? Because the changes I did, require each page to have stuff added to the (jQuery and bootstrap). It may be a bit more work than what you were foreseeing. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 06/30/2014 04:22 PM, schrieb Emanuele: Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and the main content in the center? We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. I'm not at all a designer, I just had few minutes of free time and I decided to play a bit with the page: http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ that looks very good: - The carousel is something that we really need. - The drop-down menu item "Product" is a good idea to save some space. - The 3-column-design is not too wide. With shortening the text it can look even better. PS: Please note that there is a difference between the page above the news carousel and the other part. From the technical part we have to make a difference how to update both parts in general. Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit responsive (just to please everybody :P). I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just on the general layout of the page. That's OK. We can see perfectly what you try to express. And it looks like if you want to do more and volunteer to do this little refresh. Am I guessing right? ;-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Emanuele wrote: > Marcus (OOo) wrote: > > Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > > > >> For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, > >> then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two > >> column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and > >> the main content in the center? > > > > We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website > > and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was > > working good. > > I'm not at all a designer, I just had few minutes of free time and I > decided to play a bit with the page: > > http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ > > Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit > responsive (just to please everybody :P). > I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just > on the general layout of the page. > > emanuele > This is really very nice! I like it...very fresh! We'll see what others think, but the approach is very good. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- - MzK "To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved." -- George MacDonald
Re: New design of download page
Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, >> then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two >> column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and >> the main content in the center? > > We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website > and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was > working good. I'm not at all a designer, I just had few minutes of free time and I decided to play a bit with the page: http://www.elkarte.it/testing/ooo/ Okay, is rather different from the current layout but is also a bit responsive (just to please everybody :P). I didn't spend much time on the colors and alignment of elements, just on the general layout of the page. emanuele - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 06/27/2014 01:14 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/27/2014 12:50 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very nice, very clean and professional! thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right column for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. What screen resolution are you viewing it with? At the moment it's just 1280x1024. But with other hardware and browsershots.org I can test on larger screens. I know it's not up-to-date but ... Here are the top 10 resolutions for visitors, according to Google Analytics: 1366x768 26.29% 1920x1080 13.00% 1280x800 8.43% 1280x1024 7.92% 1600x900 7.16% 1440x900 6.72% 1024x768 6.07% 1680x1050 4.53% 1920x1200 1.83% 1024x600 1.53% The top choices appear now to be wide-screen, especially 16:9 aspect ratio. I'm at 1440x900 on my Thinkpad, which is why I'm seeing so much empty space on the home page. Empty space combined with scroll bars. Me, too, when looking at the webpage from my monitor at work. But so many other webpages have the same "behaviour", so it's kind of normal today to waste space to satisfy as many screens as possible. ;-( I wish I was better with HTML/CSS and could help :-( Come on, nobody can do everything. And you can (and have already) help with so many other things. Marcus For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and the main content in the center? We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 06/27/2014 12:50 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) >> wrote: >>> >>> Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >>> I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very nice, very clean and professional! >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. >>> >>> Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". >>> >>> >>> >>> To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right >>> column >>> for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. >>> >> >> What screen resolution are you viewing it with? > > > At the moment it's just 1280x1024. But with other hardware and > browsershots.org I can test on larger screens. I know it's not up-to-date > but ... > Here are the top 10 resolutions for visitors, according to Google Analytics: 1366x768 26.29% 1920x1080 13.00% 1280x800 8.43% 1280x1024 7.92% 1600x900 7.16% 1440x900 6.72% 1024x768 6.07% 1680x1050 4.53% 1920x1200 1.83% 1024x600 1.53% The top choices appear now to be wide-screen, especially 16:9 aspect ratio. I'm at 1440x900 on my Thinkpad, which is why I'm seeing so much empty space on the home page. Empty space combined with scroll bars. I wish I was better with HTML/CSS and could help :-( -Rob > Marcus > > > > For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and the main content in the center? >>> >>> >>> >>> We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website >>> and >>> then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working >>> good. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 06/27/2014 12:50 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very nice, very clean and professional! thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right column for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. What screen resolution are you viewing it with? At the moment it's just 1280x1024. But with other hardware and browsershots.org I can test on larger screens. I know it's not up-to-date but ... Marcus For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and the main content in the center? We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On Jun 26, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of >> the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very >> nice, very clean and professional! > > thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. Yes! This is quite well done! A big thanks from me to you for your effort. I'll leave other commentary about flaws alone and celebrate your results! It feels great to leave for months, come back and see awesome improvements like this and the language pop-up! Regards, Dave > >> Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? >> The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something >> from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". > > To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right column > for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. > >> For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, >> then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two >> column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and >> the main content in the center? > > We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and > then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of >> the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very >> nice, very clean and professional! > > > thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. > > >> Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? >> The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something >> from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". > > > To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right column > for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. > What screen resolution are you viewing it with? -Rob > >> For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, >> then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two >> column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and >> the main content in the center? > > > We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and > then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
On 06/26/2014 12:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of >> the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very >> nice, very clean and professional! > > thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. > >> Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? >> The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something >> from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". > > To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right > column for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. I also think the normal style scroll elements, and also the drop down arrow for the new language selection don't look too good with our nice mostly blue color scheme. It would be better to find an alternative for these. This being said, when I looked into this a year or so ago, nothing relatively simple emerged. But...maybe things have changed. > >> For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, >> then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two >> column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and >> the main content in the center? > > We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website > and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working > good. Yes, definitely. Also, I love the idea of the new language selection as well, but now wonder if we could move placement of the search under this new option instead of the horizontal placement that is now occurring. We have some good functionality now, but basically need to work on styling. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- - MzK "To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved." -- George MacDonald - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New design of download page
Am 06/26/2014 06:23 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I was on vacation and missed this before. It looks like the design of the download page was changed. I just wanted to say this looks very nice, very clean and professional! thanks, it seems a 2-month-project paid off. Is there anything we can do to update the home page in a similar way? The scroll bars, IMHO, doesn't look good. It looks like something from GeoCities circa 1995. It is not a great "first impression". To be honest, I don't think that it is that bad. OK, except the right column for the news texts. But of course a refresh would be good anyway. For example, if we are worried about the length of text on the right, then maybe can can have a three column design, rather than a two column design? Put announcements on left, blog posts on right, and the main content in the center? We should gather a few ideas, do a little research about other website and then build a demo-webpage. For the download webpage this was working good. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
