Fwd: FrOSCon 2021: Event Details
Hello, I have asked for a "booth" for Apache OpenOffice. Ich habe dort einen "Stand" angemeldet. Kind regards Freundliche Grüße Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: FrOSCon 2021: Event Details Datum: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:41:19 +0200 Von: proje...@lists.froscon.de Antwort an: proje...@froscon.de An: proje...@lists.froscon.de [Deutsche Version unten / German version below] As FrOSCon approaches, we wanted to inform you of some of the details regarding the event. Just to remind you, we'll have the 16th edition of FrOSCon as an online event on August, 21st to 22nd 2021. While we had considered about having a more interactive presence like you may have seen on other events, we decided against it due the massive workload that would've been required. Therefore, we can "only" offer you BigBlueButton conference rooms for your booths/devrooms. This software offers text, audio and video communication as well as several presentation tools. Based on your submissions we're confident that this should be suitable for everyone. However, you may still write us about your project's specific needs. You'll receive an email with the exact location and access instruction before the event starts. Additionally, your room will be linked on our main conference page, so that interested visitors may find you there. If you have any questions, you can reach us via proje...@froscon.org. We hope to see you at FrOSCon! - Da sich das Wochenende der FrOSCon nähert, möchten wir euch noch über die Details zur Veranstaltung informieren. Nur zur Erinnerung: die 16. Ausgabe der FrOSCon findet online am 21. und 22. August 2021 statt. Nachdem wir erst über eine interaktivere Präsenz nachgedacht hatten, die ihr vielleicht auf anderen Events gesehen habt, haben wir uns schließlich aufgrund des großen Aufwandes dagegen entschieden. Daher können wir "euch" nur BigBlueButton-Konferenzräume für eure Stände/Devrooms anbieten. Die Software erlaubt Text-, Audio- und Video-Kommunikation und bietet außerdem einige Tools für Präsentationen. Anhand eurer Einreichungen gehen wir davon aus, dass das für alle Projekte passt. Natürlich könnt ihr uns nach wie vor zu Sonderwünschen schreiben. Ihr bekommt vor dem Start des Events noch eine Mail mit dem genauen Ort und wie ihr darauf zugreifen könnt. Außerdem werden wir euren Raum auf der Hauptseite der Konferenz verlinken, damit euch interessierte Besucher finden können. Falls ihr Fragen habt, könnt ihr uns unter proje...@froscon.org erreichen. Wir freuen uns euch bei der FrOSCon zu sehen! ___ Projects mailing list proje...@lists.froscon.de https://management.froscon.de/mailman/listinfo/projects OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FrOSCon 2021 - link to 'booth'
Hello, Free Software and Open Source - these are the topics of FrOSCon (Free and Open Source Software Conference). Every year in August the computer science department of the University of Applied Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg, supported by FrOSCon e.V., will organize an exciting program with talks and workshops for visitors of all ages. The event is topped off with a fair of booths from FLOSS projects and companies. This year the "booths" are BigBlueButton rooms. We have "booth" for Apache OpenOffice at FrOSCon 2021. Here is the link: https://live.froscon.de/partner/openoffice Please join or visit us! Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, people, who want "light-weightedness", can use OOo4Kids or help to continue it's development. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, are 6 menu types more "light-weightedness"? Regards Michael Am 31.08.21 um 14:18 schrieb Nagy Ákos: Hi, in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, just my 2 cents as an extension author. Am 02.09.21 um 13:43 schrieb Peter Kovacs: In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? This is a very long road. I see open questions towards cooperative work flows that we need to improve. In addition I would look more into a de-central setup, that does not need a Server to work. If you have interest in O365 or Google like Infrastructure, I would look into OwnCloud or nextCloud. Which are also more of a match to the Cloud competitors in general if you considering that you might want features like Google drive or OneDrive. Also with Cooperative work, communication, via mail or other protocols is very important, which we currently do not support at all. A decentral approach is maybe to use git. You have only to unpack and pacK the the documents and do some git stuff. Using git people may have a git server in the web (there some free programs for that task). Should I think about it further on? Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
hello,
I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one.
I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them.
But it seems so, I got not all.
There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the
moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no
need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such
a job.
Kind regards
Michael
Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
Hello,
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails would
be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken, because
there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had specifically pointed
out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to write
to another moderator and ask for help.
greetings,
Jörg
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello Jörg, you are so right. As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned. Do you want to do this job another time? Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello Marcus, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them. But it seems so, I got not all. There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such a job. I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not successful as I'm not a moderator for that list. BTW: It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice. Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM and got only general words in reply and no solution. Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where everyone's opinion should count. What is the issue? I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both questioners and helpers). I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should be limited to individual cases and not become the norm. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello, Am 06.11.21 um 20:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org I've gotten one from Marcus, but it was really empty. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hi Dave, thank you for the hints. Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 20:16 schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Michael, To be clear this not a moderator allowing SPAM situation. This looks like a subscriber setting an auto-reply. There is a helper for moderators that should help. There are a number of options. https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper Let me know if this works for you. If you have forgotten your apache password then reset at https://id.apache.org Regards, Dave On Nov 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello Jörg, you are so right. As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned. Do you want to do this job another time? Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello Marcus, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them. But it seems so, I got not all. There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such a job. I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not successful as I'm not a moderator for that list. BTW: It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice. Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM and got only general words in reply and no solution. Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where everyone's opinion should count. What is the issue? I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both questioners and helpers). I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should be limited to individual cases and not become the norm. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello, Am 08.11.21 um 20:13 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I'm afraid, Marcus, we have a problem of understanding what "all" means. For me, this is the community and not a few privileged people who are in PMC. Maybe some may see it as a privilege. I see it as a (little) burden I bear voluntarily. The PMC is not any kind of peerage or order. It's a necessary working group. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hi Jörg, we know that you have another point of view regarding facts than some other participants of this list. You should accept that nearly noone wants to discuss that in extenso because iz is totally useless. We don't need more quarrels, so please stopp your blaming. Kind regards Michael, who respects your skills, knowledge and your commitment in the past Am 10.11.21 um 08:03 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hallo Mathias, -Original Message- From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 1:14 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? Hi all, I am SO sick of these toxic threads of a certain person... I don't want to read his conspiracy theories anymore, I am not talking about conspiracy theories here. Stop making such insinuations. "D." has become committer and did stop his contributions shortly after. You know the other contexts very well. How should "D." become part of the PMC?! Not at all, because I did not claim anything like that (=D. should become part of the PMC). Please stop putting untrue statements in my mouth. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Am 10.11.21 um 18:38 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: A mailing list is not a lawless space! But free speech is free speech - on mailing lists as anywhere else. Who claims freedom of opinion has to bear contradiction. Free speech has implications; sometimes it causes a lack of friends and understanding. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello Jörg, please read what Matthias really wrote. There is _no_ sentence "Jörg is a liar." written by hin. So it is your own and very special allegation he might called you a liar. I wrote: "we know that you have another point of view regarding facts than some other participants of this list." And I think recently that's true. Matthias gave an interpretation of the term "another point of view regarding facts" to such an extent I would have called you a liar (if I would use the wording of "the old times"). He only interpreted my expression in the sentence above. But this interpretation is very one-sided and narrowing because I respect " Hanlon’s Razor". I would never presume a lie, if there are many other explanations for a behavior. To finish the discussion on my side: You should also try to differ between censorship and repression and a friendly minded "si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses". EOD Regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Participation at Chemnitzer Linux Tage 2022
Hello, like in the last years Apache OpenOffice will participate at the "Chemnitzer Linux Tage" (Chemnitz Linux Days). https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2022/en/ In 2022 the Chemnitz Linux Days have found a place on a weekend in March again, still in a different form, namely virtual. Pick up your schedule and make a big mark on 12th and 13th of March 2022. The Chemnitz Linux Days will take placeas an online event. So meet us there! Kind Regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2022
Hello, Mechtilde did a great job running the Apache OpenOffice (virtual) booth at the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage this weekend. On both days she has some usefull talks with users of free office suites. Sje got an interesting feed back afterwards: AOO starts on a netbook considerably quicker and needs less ressources than LO. That is important for such a use case. The workadventure was not so crowded as the real life event, but the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage are still one of the most important Free Software events in central Europe. So it was good to have a (virtual) booth there; esp. because LO hasn't one, so users could get answers at our booth. Kind regards Michael P. S.: Excuse my poor english. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installation
Hello, just some remarks: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: Hello, "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. You should see a lot of debs here and one sub-directory called "desktop-integration"." A novice new to Linux is unlikely to know what "cd" means, 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. A much easier way to install quickly and effortlessly is by using "Discover", which should be the default installation app in all distros! In Debian 'discover' is hardware identification system. See https://wiki.debian.org/discover Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installation
Hello, NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb packages. Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as in free speech not as in free beer. If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect, that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you. So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn. And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice. And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after 'man' ;-) ). If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can pay for installing AOO on your computer. Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should not offer bondage. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects
Hello, I am wondering, what is going on here. Looking from past to future: Before moving rights, IMO we have to find substitute persons to do the jobs. Kind regards Michael Am 02.08.22 um 11:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel: I am not sure what happened here... But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter". According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We should discuss if we need to remove his rights. Regards, Matthias Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs: I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage quit. There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to late for that. Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave: Hi Matthias, Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you had absolutely no sense of humour. Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted) talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess who they might be. YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine". Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list will now be directed to null/dev. BYE AOO! On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave: Hi Matthias, Sorry, but you loose that bet. I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with 16Gb RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close enough. Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer SOMETHING to assist Peter. I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user. And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer. @Peter: On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO 4.1.13 edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of to create a crash, but it remained rock solid. Is there any difference between the RC and released code? No. Regards, Matthias Regards Dave On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave: Hi Matthias, Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box. I have never been a fan of GNOME. I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-) Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and a lot of people *are* using GNOME... Regards, Matthias Regards Dave On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint? We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other distributions when GNOME is used as DE. Regards, Matthias Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave: On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote: Hi all, I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO. As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes. Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint? Check out the document: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate. My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So recent fast machine) All the best Peter Hi Peter, Not sure if this will be of any help to you. My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am on Linux Mint 20.3 I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO 4.1.13 (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with either AOO or LibreOffice on Linux. However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to edit the OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64 on Win 10, but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice
FrOSCon 2021 - link to 'booth'
Hello, Free Software and Open Source - these are the topics of FrOSCon (Free and Open Source Software Conference). Every year in August the computer science department of the University of Applied Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg, supported by FrOSCon e.V., will organize an exciting program with talks and workshops for visitors of all ages. The event is topped off with a fair of booths from FLOSS projects and companies. This year FrOSCon will be held again at Bonn-Rhein-Sieg University of Applied Science, Grantham-Allee 20, 53757 Sankt Augustin. See https://www.froscon.org/en/ We have booth for Apache OpenOffice at FrOSCon 2022 (like nearly every year). Here is the link: https://www.froscon.org/en/program/exhibitors/#a3635 Please join or visit us! Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
T-DOSE 2023
Hello, T-DOSE 2023 will be held on the 22nd and 23rd of April 2023, at a new location the Weeffabriek in Geldrop (near Eindhoven). T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. During this event, Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. https://t-dose.org/ Apache OpenOffice will have a booth at T-DOSE again. https://t-dose.org/2023/projects/ Mechtilde and I will maintain this booth, but helpers are cordially welcome. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: T-DOSE 2023
Am 08.01.23 um 17:24 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 4:18 PM Dr. Michael Stehmann < anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> wrote: Hello, T-DOSE 2023 will be held on the 22nd and 23rd of April 2023, at a new location the Weeffabriek in Geldrop (near Eindhoven). T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. During this event, Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. https://t-dose.org/ OpenOffice is Open-Source Software, not Free Software. There is a difference. 1. What is the difference? 2. And why does the Apache License (v2) not satisfy the Four Freedoms? (The "Free" in "Free Software " means free as in freedom (or free speech) not as in free beer.) Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: T-DOSE 2023
"Open Source Software" and "Free Software" are synonymic amd I prefer to talk abaout freedom. Kind regards Michael Am 08.01.23 um 18:32 schrieb Pedro Lino: T-DOSE == Technical Dutch Open Source Event There is no mention to Free Software on the website. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
T-DOSE 2023
Hallo, die T-DOSE [0] hatte am 22. und 23.04.2023 in Geldrop (nahe Eindhoven).nach vier Jahren in neuer, sehr feiner Location einen echten Neuanfang. Sie fand in einer alten Webfabrik statt, die neben einen Webereimuseum nun ein Kulturzentrum beherbergt. Die Organisation war wieder hervorragend; die Atmosphäre höchst angenehm und familiär. Man freute sich echt über unsere Teilnahme. Es gab sogar Menschen, die vor allem zur T-DOSE kamen, weil sie Fragen zu Apache OpenOffice hatten. Im Rahmen eines Live-Podcast (Angry Nerds Podcast [1]) wurde der Chronist auch zu Apache OpenOffice und zur Apache Foundation interviewt, welche der Interviewerin wohlbekannt war, sodass sie diese auch in niederländischer Sprache den Zuhörern und -sehern vorstellen konnte (der Chronist verwandte im Interview Englisch). Leider waren unsere niederländischen Freunde von LibreOffice nicht gekommen. Für nächsten Jahr habe ich den Veranstaltern schon einmal eine Voranmeldung mitgeteilt. Gruß Michael [0] https://t-dose.org/2023/ [1] https://t-dose.org/2023/schedule/angry-nerds/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tip
Hello, what is the problem? One can export a PDF and - with an extension - it is also possible to import a PDF. And with this extension one can use a PDF also as a container for odf documents. There are only limitations to create PDF forms. To create PDF documents one does not need Adobe. Kinf regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Open letter to TDF
Hello, I don't think an open letter is a good idea. Maybe we would get public attention. But IMO it is better to get it for our product. I don't think, we'll get more developers in that way. All developers of LibreOffice know very well, were and how hey can find and contact us. Kind regards Michael Am 11.12.23 um 08:28 schrieb Bidouille: For some months now, the libreoffice community has been in turmoil. A new committee is set to oust the existing members[1]. Perhaps it would be a good idea to write an open letter urging everyone to join OpenOffice. :-) [1] https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Kx4ttBtdJET9tPF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FOSDEM 24
Hello, Mechtilde and I plan to be there on Saturday (only). Regards Michael Am 14.01.24 um 12:12 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi All, Does anyone plan to go to FOSDEM [1] in Brussels this year? I am still undecided, but it is always nice to meet persons in real life! Regards, Matthias [1] https://fosdem.org/2024/ OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
AOO will have a booth at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2024
Hello, we will have a booth at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2024 again. Date is the 16th and 17th of March 2024 and the place is Chemnitz in Germany. Helpers are welcome. You will find more about this great event at https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2024/en Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: AOO will have a booth at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2024
Hello, our booth was well decorated. We don't use the opporunity to make an CLT poster (they have a system to create a CLT specific poster), because we don't want an information overflow. AOO is well known. The most often question was: What is the difference of AOO and LibreOffice? (more than ten years after :( ). But we could also answer some specific user questions (for example about calc). The new tablecloth is very well and a good addition. We presented the new flyers. Kind regards Michael Am 23.03.24 um 17:40 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Peter, Am 17.02.24 um 13:12 schrieb Peter kovacs: I forgot the posters on froscom. Sadly I am busy on 16th and 17th March. Let me check if I can get into the Ruhr Gebiet before this date. I can hopefully clarify tomorrow. If not I send it per post. Did that work out? CLT was last weekend, I think. Regards, Matthias All the best Peter Am 17. Februar 2024 12:23:59 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel : Hi, Am 09.02.24 um 12:48 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: Hello, we will have a booth at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2024 again. Date is the 16th and 17th of March 2024 and the place is Chemnitz in Germany. Great! Helpers are welcome. I will not be able to attend. But I have sent new AOO posters to Peter last year (for FROScon). Did he hand over them to you? We should NOT use the old (totally outdated) posters anymore... Regards, Matthias You will find more about this great event at https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2024/en Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Your proposal: Apache OpenOffice and Free Software for business tasks
Hello, we will have a booth on T-DOSE. https://t-dose.org/2024/ Regards Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Your proposal: Apache OpenOffice and Free Software for business tasks Datum: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 21:06:40 - Von: T-DOSE 2024 Antwort an: T-DOSE 2024 An: mich...@canzeley.de Hi! We are happy to tell you that we accept your proposal "Apache OpenOffice and Free Software for business tasks" to T-DOSE 2024. Please click this link to confirm your attendance: https://pretalx.t-dose.org/2024/me/submissions/XBFKAR/confirm We look forward to seeing you at T-DOSE 2024 - Please contact us if you have any questions! We will reach out again before the conference to tell you details about your slot in the schedule and technical details concerning the room and presentation tech. See you there! The T-DOSE 2024 organisers OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
T-DOSE 2024
Hello, like in the past Apache OpenOffice (and Apache) had a booth at 2024 edition of T-DOSE. T-DOSE 2024 happened on 1 and 2 June, again at the Weeffabriek in Geldrop (near Eindhoven) [0]. T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. During this event, Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. Because Apache OpenOffice is a well known office suite, we showcased some more free programs for business and professional tasks. And we presented the feather. But common questions have been again: What is the difference between Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice? Why are there two projects and will they unite again? Ok, easy to answer that FAQs meanwhile, even in english. We took the opportunity the exchange ideas with competent visitors (not only from The Netherlands) and participants. It was also this year an interesting weekend. Kind regards Michael [0] https://t-dose.org/2024/ OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FrOSCon 2024
Hello, the Free and Open Source Software Conference (FrOSCon) [0] is this year on August, 17th and 18th in St. Augustin, Bonn, Germany. Apache OpenOffice will participate with a booth (like every year). Kind regards Michael [0] https://froscon.org/en/ OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: updating the translation process
Hello Peter, Mechtilde and me have some experiece with the scripts, which should automate the conversion processes. We can talk about that topic at FrOSCon. The problem are IMO - as you wrote - non-compatible versions of the tools and the OS (and Python). Kind regards Michael Am 14.08.24 um 01:27 schrieb Peter Kovacs: Hello all. as you all know the translation process is stuck. Let me sum up the process, issue and my proposed solution. the basics We still use a SDF- definition file for our UI elements. The main benefit is that it is small. The larger po-files are used by pootle. This makes it necessary that we convert the Sdf file into a po-file and vice versa. the pootle team still maintains a converter tool, which can do the job. we have a script that automates the process. the script uses a git repo to counter errors. What issues do we currently have? - the translation tool is needs a newer python version, and the version available in the distribution does not work - the process with git is a local safety measure. - the script uses pootle installed tools, for extraction. - pootle is out of maintenance using a out dated version of django and python 2 As you see we have different issues that block this topic. The po file format is used by other open source translation tools so we can easily switch. This is why i would like to switch the translation tool at the end. first i would like to get the conversion process running. I think it would be best if we build the conversion in github. for this we need another translation repository. the idea would be that 1) nighties exports sdf on build bot 2) nighties pushes the export to github. i think on a sdf branch 3) trigger creates the conversion to po file and pushes the changes into a po branch. (using actions) 4) translation service pulls the po branch and imports it. This differs a bit from the current process, which does not is working locally and involves fetch from nighties and then local build. With the issue of meeting requirements on the server. any ideas, concerns or questions? all the best peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
T-Dose 2015 - Helpers wanted
Hello, T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. This years event will be held on 28 and 29 November 2015 at the Fontys University of Applied Science in Eindhoven. Like in the last years Apache OpenOffice will have a booth there. Mechtilde und I will organize that booth. Helpers wanted! Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Finally retiring from openoffice.org
Thank you very much for your contributions all the years. And thank you very much for all your friendlyness. Hope to see you at FOSDEM or anywhere else. Good luck. Kind regards Michael Am 08.06.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: > Hi, > > for a long time I had contributed to openoffice.org. > But since approx. 1.5 years I was not able to continue my engagement. > Thus, I decided to retirer from this great project, also as a PMC member. > > I wish you all the best. Keep the project going as I will continue to use it > :-) > > Best regards, Oliver. > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Your booth at FrOSCon 2016
Hello, this year Apache OpenOffice will participate at FrOSCon again with a booth. This events takes place in St. Augustin (near Bonn), Rhine Area, Germany. Kind regards Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Your booth at FrOSCon 2016 Datum: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:34:31 +0200 Von: exhibit...@lists.froscon.de Antwort an: ausstel...@froscon.de An: exhibit...@lists.froscon.de Dear exhibitors, the planning of the exhibition area of FrOSCon is finished, we are happy to tell you that you will get a booth at FrOSCon 2016 (20.-21.8.2015). Every project will get at least one table, two chairs and a wall behind the booth for posters. There will be the usual infrastructure with ethernet and a power outlet at every booth, too. As always we try to fulfill your wishes. We have completed our planning for the exhibition area and you can find the preliminary floor plan attached to the email. We'd kindly ask you to take care that you do not display any information, flyers, logos or other merchandise gifts from companies who do not support us through a paid sponsorship. Those sponsorships provide the funding needed in order to organize the conference and provide you with free-of-charge booths, catering and hopefully a great FrOSCon overall. If you have any further questions regarding this specific issue or about sponsoring FrOSCon in general, you can contact us at sponso...@froscon.de. Please enter the names of the people who will run your booth into the web registration system (1). They get free entrance and free catering at FrOSCon. The web registration system will be closed on August 15th, so please email us any urgent changes after this date. In the next days, we will publish your project's information on the FrOSCon homepage [2]. Please check then if your project's information is correct and complete. If not, please fill in your corrections into the web registration system. We are really looking forward to see you at FrOSCon. On behalf of the FrOSCon Orga PS: Feel free to answer in German. [1] https://callforprojects.froscon.de [2] https://www.froscon.de/aussteller/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Merge with LibreOffice?
I think your question is valid. The situation of Free Officesuites is worrying; not only for Apache OpenOffice, but also for LibreOffice. Apache OpenOffice has crossed a deep valley, but it goes slowly upwards now from a very low level. I don't want to talk about the situation at LO, but my impression is, that it looks better, than it really is. So a good and fair collaboration between the two projects would be wise. But it isn't possible, as long as one party claims, that the other party has to declare to be dead. A reunion of the two projects is also not possible yet. One reason is the deep disappointment people feel. But there are also some more objective reasons, for example different release philosophies, different opinions about the transference of rights to the entity of the project etc. One more reason is, that some people are votaries of licences with copyleft and others of licences without any copyleft. So the question is valid, but the answer is: Not yet. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Version of Openoffice
Hello Andreas, we are not dead. New versions are in development, but we have no fixed release dates. If a new version is ready, it will be released, not sooner. In german language: Ja - wir leben und arbeiten noch. Wir haben keine festen Release-Termine, sondern veröffentlichen eine neue Version, wenn sie fertig ist - nicht vorher. Durch einige Veränderungen hat sich unser Tempo zeitweilig etwas verlangsamt, wir haben aber neulich erst einen Security-Patch veröffentlicht. OpenOffice ist einerseits ein sehr "reifes" Produkt und die Updatezyklen im Bereich des professionellen Einsatzes sind andererseits erfahrungsgemäß eher lang. Kind regards Gruß Michael Am 30.08.2016 um 17:45 schrieb andschli...@arcor.de: > Dear OpenOffice Team, > I have a question is the OpenOffice dead or is a new version in development > in advance Many thanks > > Best regards > Andreas Schlick > > Andreas Schlick > Wernleitenstraße 7 > 83313 Siegsdorf > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
Am 01.09.2016 um 00:59 schrieb Simon Phipps: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton < > dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: toki [mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:30 >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO >>> >>> On 31/08/2016 16:26, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>> >> I think that is the case because downstream producers, who get the support >> business, contribute to their upstream framework or source-code distributor. >> >> What indication is there that any of that is working for Apache >> OpenOffice? Maybe if we stopped shipping binaries? How would that work >> for the individuals who seem to dominate our download consumption? > > > Since the "downstream" producers seem better equipped to deliver signed and > vulnerability-corrected binaries to non-specialist consumers on a timely > schedule, maybe delegating downloads to them would be a good option for the > project? Stopping shipping binaries would cause some negative effect for our project, so it might be an option, but not best one. Binaries made by our community are essential for our QA. Without them we stand "with empty hands" in the public with negative effects for our brand and image. Supporting our users by community members would break down. So the impact for the improvement of our commity would be tremendous, if we "delegate" this tasks to a third party. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Hello, the situation as I see it (I am no developer) is, that we need "developers, developers, developers, developers ... ". So why not "going public" and ask the Free Software community for help? That means to illustrate, why AOO is important for the progress of Free Software, and to describe our present situation and the benefits of helping us. But there are IMO some conditions, we have to set before going public: 1. We need a contact person for volunteers and also for enterprises, which wants to collaborate with us. 2. We need mentors for newbies. IMO we have to start such a campaign in 2016. Just my 2 cents. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Am 02.09.2016 um 15:08 schrieb Patricia Shanahan: > > This discussion has a serious self fulfilling prophecy downside. The > less ASF's commitment to AOO, the less my commitment is. I had been > thinking of buying a Mac and learning to do builds on it. That is an > investment of time, energy, and a small amount of money. Why do it, if > AOO is just going to get shut down anyway? Patricia, we are still discussing. We are balancing reasons, advantages and disadvantages, for different solutions. There is no decision made. And more and more I believe, it was a good idea to start that discussion on a public list. So everything is transparent. I like the debian Social Contract and point 3 is: "We will not hide problems" Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?
Am 02.09.2016 um 16:59 schrieb Phillip Rhodes: > > What has to happen next? What is the most important thing/things we could > be > working on? What could I do *right now* to help move things in a positive > direction? > As I wrote before: If we want to recruit new developer, we need a contact person and mentors. And we need the next release - so we need a release manager. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OO
Thank you for your helpfulness. We have a new mailinglist for volunteers now. Anyone who wants to help can subscribe to recruitm...@openoffice.apache.org by sending e-mail to recruitment-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org The objective is to provide a place for new volunteers to introduce themselves and get suggestions. Kind regards Michael Am 06.09.2016 um 09:16 schrieb Your Comrade: > Please, let's not close the project OpenOffice! > In Ukraine, there are many smart developers who are interested in the work of > the developer for a small salary. > For example, many would agree to work extra for $ 100 per month! If you do > not have developers, so in Ukraine, a lot of them, however much and left. > Personally, I find a few dozen developers in Ukraine, and I can personally > participate in the project! > Money to pay can be obtained from the introduction of the basic software > known products and systems: Android, iOS, MacOS. > My skills: > Android, Java + NDK (C / C ++) > Write, if you want to form a group - I will form a group! > > --- > Your Comrade > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Am 08.09.2016 um 12:39 schrieb Jose R R:
>
> Just as when former HP CEO, Léo Apotheker, masturbated in public about
> selling the PC business, damage has already been done:
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3117144/open-source-tools/openoffice-may-be-fading-into-the-sunset.html
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/
>
> and the LibreOffice trolls are having such a ride in social networks...
>
> Too bad ApacheOO does not have HP's financial muscle to reassure users
> that it was a one-off sort of irresponsible activity.
>
>
This posting brought us a lot of attention ("bad news are good news")
and as a result some new developers and supporters.
There are two articles on german technical and Free Software news
portals and regarding to the comments they also got a lot of attention.
There was a "tug" in the community and people saw their special
responsibility for the project.
Unfortunately Kay resigned. But fortunately even this great loss did not
induce others to react in the same way.
So let us use the drive to demonstrate that we are still able to create
a good and usefull product. As others said: Think about present and
future - and leave the past to trolls and historians!
Kind regards
Michael
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Re: [VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President for Apache OpenOffice
Am 15.09.2016 um 17:35 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: > [BCC to PMC] > > RESOLUTION: That Marcus Lange (marcus) be recommended to the > Apache Software Foundation Board to serve as Vice President > for Apache OpenOffice. > [X] +1 Approve [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation Kind regards and good luck Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?
Am 16.09.2016 um 13:19 schrieb Jim Jagielski: >> Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> Any real reason to name it 4.2.0 ? >> >> Two years of miscellaneous changes and fixes, a radically improved build >> system, unit tests at build time, updates of a lot of libraries, support for >> new languages, new translations, new dictionaries... if this is not 4.2.0 it >> should be named 5.0. >> > > That was kind of my thoughts... or maybe call it 4.5.0 > What's about AOO 42? ;-) Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Good time to rename the release candidate?
Am 02.10.2016 um 00:15 schrieb Patricia Shanahan: > On 10/1/2016 2:55 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: >> Is this a good time to rename >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/? It should >> change to "4.1.3-rc1" before final testing and vote. > > Since I really want to do this when the most involved people are not > very active, I'm going to wait an hour and then do it if there are no > objections. I will remain e-mail reachable for several hours afterwards. At the time of your posting it was a quarter past midnight in Central Europe and for instance in Italy. And even hackers sleep sometimes ;-) . But that is no objection on the merits. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Testing 4.1.3
Am 03.10.2016 um 21:52 schrieb Patricia Shanahan: > There were German dictionary changes. Can you tell the difference > between de, de_AT, and de_CH? If so, could you perhaps do a test in each > of the other dialects? > There are differences between the german languages spoken and written (officially) in Switzerland, Austria and Germany. For an example de_CH do not know a "ß", they write "ss" alltimes. There are also distinctions in vocabulary. You can find more information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_German Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Back to the Project
Am 16.10.2016 um 03:17 schrieb Raphael Bircher: A very warm welcome back. Nice to see you here again. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fehler beim Schreiben
Am 13.11.2016 um 00:09 schrieb Marcus: > Am 11/12/2016 10:11 PM, schrieb Ludwig Queckbörner: >> Beim Schreiben mit Open Office geschieht etwas sehr Merkwürdiges. >> Sobald ich und schreibe verwandelt sich das und in Sun. > > translation: > While writing with OpenOffice something wierd is happening. As soon as I > write "und" it's changing into "Sun". > > > First of all, please note that this is a mailing list for English > language only. > > I cannot reproduce this problem. But there are also not much information > to notice. You can ask this in our user forums to get more answers. > There are many more people than here. And also one for German language. > > [1] https://forum.openoffice.org/ > There is also an germanophone mailing list for user support: users...@openoffice.apache.org See also: http://www.openoffice.org/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who goes to the FOSDEM
Hi Raphael, Mechtilde and I will go to FOSDEM 2017 to become the AOO part of the common Apache booth. Michaela will come with us. Kind regards Michael Am 02.12.2016 um 03:10 schrieb Raphael Bircher: > Hi at all > > Sorry for the crossposting, but I wonder who pans to attend the FOSDEM > at Bruxel? It's maybe just a possibility to meetup. Mainly after the > programm at the evening. > > Regards Raphael > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2017
Hello, our application for a booth at the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2017 (march 11.-12. 2017) for your information. Chemnitz is in Germany (Free State Saxonia). Kind regards Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2017 Datum: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:49:24 +0100 (CET) Von: CLT2017 Live-Team An: i...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Hallo! Vielen Dank fuer Deinen Beitrag zu den Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2017. Weitere Informationen erhaeltst du im Januar per E-Mail. Bitte kontaktiere das Live-Team bei Fragen und Problem per E-Mail: l...@linux-tage.de Viele Gruesse, das CLT-Team 2017 Hier nochmal die wichtigsten von Ihnen übermittelten Daten: Anzahl gemeldeter Personen: 3 Die gemeldeten Personen sind: Anrede:m Titel: Dr. Vorname: Michael Nachname: Stehmann Email (intern):i...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Email (extern):Webseite (privat): Beruf: Firma: Apache OpenOffice Webseite (Firma): http://www.openoffice.org/de/ Anrede:f Titel: Vorname: Mechtilde Nachname: Stehmann Email (intern):o...@mechtilde.de Email (extern):Webseite (privat): Beruf: Firma: Apache OpenOffice Webseite (Firma): http://www.openoffice.org/de/ Anrede:f Titel: Vorname: Michaela Nachname: Stehmann Email (intern):webmas...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Email (extern):Webseite (privat): Beruf: Firma: Apache OpenOffice Webseite (Firma): http://www.openoffice.org/de/ Beitragstitel: Apache OpenOffice Abstract: Apache OpenOffice - The Free and Open Productivity Suite - ist eine Freie Officesuite, ein Apache Top-Level-Projekt und eine großartige Gemeinschaft. Apache OpenOffice ist die führende Freie Officesuite. Sie ist in vielen Sprachen verfügbar und arbeitet auf allen üblichen Computern. Die Daten werden in Formaten gespeichert, die einem internationalen Standard entsprechen. Außerdem können Dateien von anderen üblichen Officeprogrammen gelesen und geschrieben werden. Apache OpenOffice, das Ergebnis einer über zwanzigjährigen Entwicklung, wurde seit 2012 bereits über 200.000.000-mal heruntergeladen. Menschen aus der ganzen Welt arbeiten zusammen, um diese Officesuite zu verbessern. Jeder kann seine Fähigkeiten und sein Engagement einbringen - in der Entwicklung, sondern auch in der Qualitätssicherung, der Nutzerunterstützung, der Dokumentation, der Übersetzung und Lokalisation und, der Entwicklung von Erweiterungen. Webseite (Beitrag): http://www.openoffice.org/de/ Aufsteller: 2 Tische: 1 Stehtische: 1 Sonstiges: Laptops: 3 PCs: 1 Monitore: 1 Beamer:0 Sonstiges: Roll-Ups, Switch, Mehrfachsteckdose Bemerkungen: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fwd: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2017
Am 05.12.2016 um 15:40 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Thank you for your constant presence on such events! > Without my wife Mechtilde and my daughter Michaela (my core booth team) I could not do that job. They do lot of work at the booths (also before and after the events); so I have rather the role as a team speaker than a manager. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Remove me
Am 12.05.2014 17:53, schrieb Dave Barton: > > Wearing my moderator hat, I have answered Joe off-list. How does this hat look like? Is it possible to get one? ;-) Regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
T-Dose 2014
Hello, T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. During this event Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This years event will be held on 25 and 26 October 2014 at the Fontys University of Applied Science in Eindhoven. It's a event with a familial ambience, but import for The Netherlands. We have participate in this years Call for Projects. We expect to get a positive answer on our request for a booth (like in the last year). We invite you to join our booth team. It would be good too, if we can get a printer template for flyers in dutch language. Regards Michael Original-Nachricht Betreff: Project stand request, Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Von: jpsa...@t-dose.org An: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Dear mikeadvo, Thank you for requesting a project stand at T-DOSE. Your request will be reviewed and assigned when there is room for your stand. Kind regards, T-DOSE organisation. w: www.t-dose.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
AOO at T-DOSE
Hello, T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use and development of Free Software. During this event Free Software projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This years event will be held on 25 and 26 October 2014 at the Fontys University of Applied Science in Eindhoven. http://www.t-dose.org/ Like in the past Apache OpenOffice will participate with a booth. Dutch speaking booth helpers are welcome. You are invited to visit us at T-DOSE (even if you are not dutch speaking booth helpers ;-) ). Regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: AOO at T-DOSE
Am 18.10.2014 23:44, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > Would be good to get a recording of the talk and maybe some > information about past events and development. There is no talk, given by us, which can be recorded, but a booth. (Since Budapest 2010 we haven't given any talk in english and we aren't sadly able to speak dutch.) The talks at the booth (in german or english) in the past are nearly the same as on other events. - "Normal" user questions (How can I do this?) - Questions about the product (What's new?) - "Political" questions like "What is the difference between AOO and LibreOffice?", "Oh, you are still existing?" and "Why don't you merge the projects?" etc.. The event itself is important for The Netherlands and a good place to meet friends of Free Software in The Netherlands and the (german part of the) northern rhine area. It's exhibition area is "manageable", so we have a good and amicable contact to the other exhibitors. Regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
failure notice mailer daemon
Hello, the mailer daemon is going on the rampage. The "unacceptable MIME part" was my GPG signature. Excepted since years. And I put some words in the body and gave a subject. I'm not able to moderate user postings. Kind regards Michael Original-Nachricht Betreff: failure notice Datum: 24 Oct 2014 16:31:36 - Von: mailer-dae...@apache.org An: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : ezmlm-send: fatal: Sorry, after removing unacceptable MIME parts from your message I was left with nothing (#5.7.0) ezmlm-moderate: fatal: fatal error from child --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99452 invoked by uid 99); 24 Oct 2014 16:31:35 - Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:31:35 + X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de designates 217.69.77.164 as permitted sender) Received: from [217.69.77.164] (HELO mail.dasr.de) (217.69.77.164) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:31:08 + Received: from ip-88-152-235-162.hsi03.unitymediagroup.de ([88.152.235.162] helo=[192.168.2.40]) by mail.dasr.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XhhkY-00021H-19 for users-de-accept-1414060932.29371.objpbdfdghgkfobcf...@openoffice.apache.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:30:02 + Message-ID: <544a7e84.5050...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:29:56 +0200 From: "Dr. Michael Stehmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users-de-accept-1414060932.29371.objpbdfdghgkfobcf...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Approve X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Accepted Regards Michael --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlRKfoQACgkQB4PwVyFoz0eT3gCghA6tJjdvopBOtNtIu5ostOrO y2AAn2tox2VgUBXRVbV/EW5/MzMGNqzi =/50r -END PGP SIGNATURE- --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T-- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: failure notice mailer daemon
Am 24.10.2014 19:09, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > On 24/10/2014 Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: >> the mailer daemon is going on the rampage. > > Please send this to infrastructure AT apache.org for analysis. they have > been working on the mail servers and spamassassin setup this week, and > there may be some rough edges. > Done. Thank you and kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
AOO at T-DOSE
Hello, as expected our booth request was successfull. So AOO will participate at T-Dose in Eindhoven/NL [0] on May 11th 2019. Your are welcome to visit this great event and our booth and talk with us. Kind regards Michael [0] http://t-dose.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: SHA1/MD5 in sal/rtl/source/digest.c patch license able for OO
OT: Hi, Raphael - wb Regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FOSDEM 2020
Hello, we are planning to join next FOSDEM like we did in the past. To get a booth (stand) we have to write a request. The deadline for this request will come soon. Among other things we have to answer two questions. With help from Peter I sketched a text for this purpose. Feel free to criticize this draft: """ Description of project(s) for publication: Apache OpenOffice is the Free and Open Productivity Suite to handle office tasks. The roots of Apache OpenOffice go back more than twenty years, creating a mature and powerful product. The software looks and feels familiar and is instantly usable by anyone who has used a competitive product. It has many millions of users and still millions of downloads each year. Apache OpenOffice is supported by a global community of friendly volunteers, happy to provide assistance to newcomers and advanced users alike. Why does it fit FOSDEM? Apache OpenOffice is one of most popular Free Software products as in europe and worldwide and has a long history of project development. With only a few volunteers left, we struggle to satisfy the needs and wishes of our users. FOSDEM is one of the best occasions to meet new developers and to interest them in our project. We will use the stand to present the needs we have. This ranges from web design and programming over application and extension development, towards documentation, translation and community management in popular media. """ I am no native speaker, so please improve my poor english. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FOSDEM 2020
Hello, we are planning to join next FOSDEM like we did in the past. To get a booth (stand) we have to write a request. The deadline for this request will come soon. Among other things we have to answer two questions. With help from Peter I sketched a text for this purpose. Feel free to criticize this draft: """ Description of project(s) for publication: Apache OpenOffice is the Free and Open Productivity Suite to handle office tasks. The roots of Apache OpenOffice go back more than twenty years, creating a mature and powerful product. The software looks and feels familiar and is instantly usable by anyone who has used a competitive product. It has many millions of users and still millions of downloads each year. Apache OpenOffice is supported by a global community of friendly volunteers, happy to provide assistance to newcomers and advanced users alike. Why does it fit FOSDEM? Apache OpenOffice is one of most popular Free Software products as in europe and worldwide and has a long history of project development. With only a few volunteers left, we struggle to satisfy the needs and wishes of our users. FOSDEM is one of the best occasions to meet new developers and to interest them in our project. We will use the stand to present the needs we have. This ranges from web design and programming over application and extension development, towards documentation, translation and community management in popular media. """ I am no native speaker, so please improve my poor english. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FOSDEM 2020
Hello and thank you very much. There is only one question left: Am 19.09.19 um 13:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Description of project(s) for publication: >> >> Apache OpenOffice is the Free and Open Productivity Suite to handle >> office tasks. The roots of Apache OpenOffice go back more than twenty >> years, creating a mature and powerful product. > > Apache OpenOffice is a Free and Open Productivity Suite to handle > office tasks. The roots of Apache OpenOffice go back more than twenty > years, creating a mature and powerful product. > "The Free and Open Productivity Suite" is our claim. The other Free office suite claims: "Fun Project" and "Fantastic People". Their advertisement is: "LibreOffice 6: "The best office suite gets even better" – ZDNet" Is there a reason not use our claim? (Which is also printed on our roll up.) Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Acknowledging your stand request (Apache OpenOffice)
Hello, stand request done. FYI below. Thanks to all, who helped to improve the text. Kind regards Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Acknowledging your stand request (Apache OpenOffice) Datum: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:51:55 + Von: sta...@fosdem.org An: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Kopie (CC): o...@mechtilde.de, sta...@fosdem.org Stand Request for FOSDEM 2020 We acknowledge that we have received your request for the following stand. After we review all stands requests, we will inform you accordingly via email. Project: Apache OpenOffice Coordinator: Michael Stehmann Coordinator email: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Secondary contact: Mechtilde Stehmann Secondary email: o...@mechtilde.de Description: Apache OpenOffice is "The Free and Open Productivity Suite" to handle office tasks. The roots of Apache OpenOffice go back more than twenty years, making a mature and powerful product. The software looks and feels familiar and is instantly usable by anyone who has used a similar product. It has many millions of users and still millions of downloads every year. Apache OpenOffice is supported by a global community of friendly volunteers, happy to provide assistance to newcomers and advanced users alike. Coordinator's affinity to the project: Member of the Project Management Committee Why does it fit FOSDEM Apache OpenOffice is one of most popular Free Software products in europe and worldwide and has a long history of project development. With only a few volunteers left, we struggle to satisfy the needs and wishes of our users. FOSDEM is one of the best occasions to meet new developers and to interest them in our project. We will use the stand to present the needs we have. This ranges from web design and programming over application and extension development, towards documentation, translation and community management in popular media. Project website URL: https://www.openoffice.org/ Project logo URL: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html Project contact email address: us...@openoffice.apache.org Source code location: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=openoffice.git or https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html Relevant URLs: Days: both Theme: Office Suites and Productivity Number of tables: One Special requirements: Kind Regards, FOSDEM stands team signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New helper
Hello and welcome, your skills are really needed here. The first thing you should try is to build AOO. You will find our repos here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice And guides here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step What is your favorite operating system? Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
AOO at ApacheCon Europe 2019
Hello, the ApacheCon Europe took place on October 22-24, 2019 in Berlin (Kulturbrauerei). Three of us (Mechtilde, Matthias and me) joined in this event to meet Apache people from all over the world, to learn how Apache works and to know more about Apache projects (over 350). And we also used the time to talk among ourselves about the state of the project, building problems, coding and our dreams and plans. We found interested and interesting dialogue partners. One of them conveyed to us the Apache POI project [0] and that led to a longer talk with a member of this project. It is legally easy to use their usefull code and we are willing to find out, whether the integration in our project is possible. The days in Berlin were interesting and instructive. We hope they will become fruitfull for our project. To get an impression of this ApacheCon look at pictures [1] and videos [2]. Kind regards Michael [0] https://poi.apache.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_POI [1] https://www.flickr.com/photos/newthinking_de/albums/72157711465296723 [2] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU2OcwpQkYCxVGCGWtMxb9d27Z-pcoN9a signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: volunteer activity tracking (was: Ariel is back in our PMC and developer circle)
Hello, Am 20.11.19 um 09:33 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > Hello Peter, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:50 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: volunteer activity tracking (was: Ariel is back in >> our PMC and developer circle) >> >> Hello Jörg, >> >> >> It is still unclear why you want to track activity. Can you >> elaborate on >> this point maybe? > > First let me say: I don't think it is necessary to find out in real time who > is active at the moment, it would probably be enough to publish it once a > month. > > Why do I want to know who is active? > For decisions of the PMC the majority principle applies (imho). The majority, > however, depends on the votes (respectively the opinions) of the people who > are currently active. > > > And in the long run: Has no one really thought about the principle that no > one can be excluded from the PMC and that third parties can install > majorities there? > > for example: At first glance, activity is activity, but I think there is a > certain difference between the activity of people who only work in the > project because they are paid for it by companies and people who work in the > project out of their own interest. > IMO the best way to improve a system is to solve its practical problems. I do not remember any case, in which a permanent inactive PMC member "jumps out of the box" to influence a voting. I do not see any PMC member, which tries to undercut AOO in collaboration with others. IMO the influence of third parties, esp. enterprises is in AOO more negligible than it is in other Apache projects. The influence of enterprises were drastic in the moment they stopped supporting us. And unfortunately I do not know any enterprise, who is willing to support us substantially in future. That is one of our actual problems. So IMO we should focus our energy and resources to solve the practical problems we really have. As an example: Let us reflect, how we can transact the proposals of Patricia to recruit new developers. And another one: Let us reflect, how we get the infrastructure we need to work well. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: volunteer activity tracking
Hello, Am 21.11.19 um 14:42 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > Or are members of the PMC not allowed to have different opinions when voting? > And if they may, may they not have different opinions in the future than at > the time when they became a PMC member? > Normally we discuss to get a consensus. Crucial votes are out-of-favour. This is the only way to keep the community together. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FOSDEM 2020
Hello, following the published list https://fosdem.org/2020/news/2019-11-19-accepted-stands/ our stand request was not accepted. But some of us (for example Mechtilde, Matthias, me) will be at FOSDEM 2020, so people can meet us. On one side I am a little bit disappointed and sad, because a booth at FOSDEM is a great matter for our project. On the other side I will enjoy the freedom of irresponsibility (also a little bit) another year. I am willing to repeat the request next year. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PMC Chair
Am 22.11.19 um 23:29 schrieb Simon Phipps: > (FWIW, I asked not as a criticism but because previous chair rotations were > discussed here (as far as I remember!) and I wondered why this one was done > privately.) If a person wants to have a break and only one person wants to do the job, IMO discussions are needless and a waste of time and energy. The person, who wants to do the job, has in addition a strong backing in the PMC and in the community. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hiii
Hello, I try to say it in a few words: You have to study only two things: Thinking (as a developer) and learning (to become a better developer). Everything else is volatile. And we can offer you only honour, glory and much experience - and "blood, toil, tears and sweat". Some questions: What are your special interests? There are some smaller and some bigger "building yards". What are your skills in other programming languages like Java and Perl for example? Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2020
Hello, in 2020 the Chemnitz Linux Days have found a place on a weekend in March again. Pick up your schedule and make a big mark on 14th and 15th of March 2020. https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2020/en Venue: Technische Universität Chemnitz Zentrales Hörsaal- und Seminar-Gebäude Reichenhainer Straße 90 09126 Chemnitz, Germany Apache OpenOffice will take part with a booth. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
How our project recently works
Hello, I would like to tell you (just as an example) about a few things in which I was and am at best peripherally involved: The primary purpose of the described acts was to provide developers and other commiters to make the work of contributors easier: 1. We moved our version control system from subversion to git. This is seen by all developers as a great improvement even by those who were initially skeptical. 2. The pootle server for the translations was fixed and a technical process developed to provide the translators continuously with strings to be translated and to integrate continuously translations into the code. 3. Building Apache OpenOffice is anything but trivial. Matthias currently has the Windows build under control and accompanied in close contact with the maintainer the OS/2 port. Jim takes currently care the Mac and Linux builds Pedro finally covers the BSD area. Mechtilde successfully tries to support AOO also under Debian GNU/Linux to build with younger compiler and library versions (just as a precaution: building according to Debian guidelines is currently not possible). This work is also seminal for other distributions. Mechtilde also needs this instance for her work in technical support for the translation process (see 2.). All this work was "spontaneously" was done by interested volunteers without a project manager, a steering committee, a Scrum master or a project planning. There waere also neither Sprints, nor deadlines. One person started a task and then others collaborated and continued the work. The coordination among the participants is usually informal. If Andrea, Matthias, Mechtilde and Peter are sitting at FOSDEM in the cafeteria at a table, they don't talk about the weather or the qualities Belgian beers, but of course about what they are currently doing and plan to do. Organizing meetings with physical presence would be difficult and expensive. In fact, the people involved are spread over three continents (North and South America once as separate continents considered). Coordination is done over channels of the internet (which is difficult enough because of the time zones). The European ones, in particular the German participants also meet frequently the various events. And when Mechtilde and I are in Hamburg of course Markus and Matthias and mostly others are informed. The only exception to the rule of informal cooperation in the above examples was the changeover to git (see 1.). Here a vote of the PMC was needed because involving Apache Infra and because it was a migration away from software of another Apache project. Apache OpenOffice has the advantage that the vast majority of developers use software themselves and mostly are in contact with other users. Of course we also think iintensively (and talk) about, how we can broaden the developer base in a sustainable way. The IMO most promising suggestion has recently come from Patricia, who suggested, with very good reason, to draw attention of C++ developers to our project. But until the seed of this idea can bring fruits, it inevitably takes time. Those who are active in the project receive no remuneration and work voluntary. Usually they spend money to commit. They are enthusiastics and this is IMO the best prerequisite to inspire others. I don't want to "cheer" our project. It's aware to everyone I know, that our project is in a precarious situation - and that not just since yesterday. But these circumstances do not only severely limit our opportunities, but also open up opportunities for each individual - to try out and prove themselves in interesting tasks. Our "bus factor" [0] is unfortunately, as everyone is aware, small. Therefore newcomers are "welcomed with open arms" by all. Because of the situation, everyone is also constantly thinking about how processes can be improved and the work can be made more efficient. The above examples may be taken as evidence of this. Greeting Michael [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor P.S.: Most of the text was translated by DeepL, my english is much poorer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Meeting friends
Hello, this friday evening we (Mechtilde and me) were guests at the "LibreOffice Community-Treffen 2020" [0]. We had some interesting "small talks" and could explain to some people, we did not met before, why we support Apache OpenOffice. We will meet some of our friends next weekend in Chemnitz [1] again. Kind regards Michael [0] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/Community-Treffen2020 [1] https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2020/en/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Meeting friends
Hello, Chemnitz has been unfortunately cancelled, but we are looking forward to T-Dose [0]. Regards Michael [0] https://t-dose.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Meeting friends
Yes, I got an email and I have notified our plans to come in October. Kind regards Michael Am 21.03.20 um 13:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > T-DOSE postponed: > > https://t-dose.org/news/t-dose-2020-postponed/ > > Regards, > > Matthias > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: my wiki account no longer works.?
Hello, Am 14.05.20 um 22:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> Did you use your LDAP credentials? > > That tells me nothing. I receive my emails via POP3 and store them locally. For Jörg: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Directory_Access_Protocol For non-german speakers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Directory_Access_Protocol (Side is also available in Español, Français, Italiano and some other languages) Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Hi Jörg, that is in general no secret and well known: The PMC of an Apache project closely monitors the contributions of individuals. When a PMC member nominates an individual, it is usefull the member talks to other members before the nomination. The committee votes to decide whether the contributions of the individual qualify for committer-ship. Often there is a large consensus about this question. Than the individuals is asked, whether (s)he wants to become a committer. If the persons says yes, there is some legal and technical formalities and in the end (s)he will be presented and welcomed as a new committer. It is in essence the same way as in your case. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Am 01.07.20 um 15:06 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > Power, including the PMC, should be used responsibly. That is evidently true. Personal sympathies are not a good signpost; performance alone should count. If you want to build a team, performance is not the only thing that counts. But I do not see the problem n practice. I do not know anybody, who has personal aversions in this case. > > These things are also a very simple question of the sense of justice and > where performance is no longer judged fairly, our project AOO suffers. If the imputation would be true, you would be right. But it is not. > > And there should be no doubt: > Detlef undoubtedly deserves to be a committer, only others have that to the > same degree. And whoever apparently excludes these others from it(*), makes > his opinion clear. Is this your opinion or the opinion of Detlef? You are obviously in error about the treatment: First there is a nomination by a PMC member.. Than there is a decision of the PMC. An after that the individual is asked, whether (s)he wants to become a committer. By the way: the policy of the PMC is to include better more then less people into the project. Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Am 01.07.20 um 16:08 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: > Is this your opinion or the opinion of Detlef? This was a mistake: The right question is: Is this your opinion or the opinion of Jan-Christian? Or are there more people involved in producing the flyers? Excuse my mistake. Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Hello, Am 01.07.20 um 16:52 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> >> If you want to build a team, performance is not the only thing that >> counts. But I do not see the problem n practice. I do not >> know anybody, >> who has personal aversions in this case. > > Then you didn't read Mathias' statement on de-dev (or was it de-users?) about > his aversions to me. > AFAIk you are a committer, so that is another case. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Hello Jörg, Am 01.07.20 um 16:58 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> Is this your opinion or the opinion of Jan-Christian? > > STOP! > I'm only speaking specifically in person here. Try not to doubt that! > > (In fact, I haven't had the chance to talk to Jan at all, because I've only > known about the development for a few hours) > If you speak "in person" about the treatment of another person here in public, you should better talk to that person before. Before making a judgement you have to start with the facts. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Hello Jan-Christian, Am 03.07.20 um 17:57 schrieb jan-christ...@wienandt.de: > I can speak my mind on my own. That was also my guess. And that means we do not need a "tribunus plebis". Thank you for this clarification. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Decisions and Behavior
Hello, Am 06.07.20 um 17:22 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > And I believe the maximum possible openness is what we should live in a free > project every day. This does not mean that there can't be reasons to discuss > certain things confidentially, but you should use this possibility with a > great sense of proportion. > The protection of individual-related data protects the freedom of the individual. So data protection and freedom are not antagonists. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: should we conduct a 20 year anniversary online conference / meetup?
Am 07.07.20 um 07:25 schrieb Peter: > > - Michael will have a talk on the history of our booth (in german) > It will be more about the history of germanophone community (ok - booths will also be on topic). Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Decisions and Behavior
Hello, Am 08.07.20 um 09:24 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > Michael, that's completely undisputed, but that's not the issue here. > > (Moreover, this was clearly not about the protection of individual data, > because the data is known to everyone. After all, the confidentiality of the > personal word is imho law formal not part of individual data.) > > > What was the issue? > I found out (because it was clear from the discussion) that D...f has been > appointed committer based on merit (and not technical necessity[1]). > > Patricia countered my answer by saying that it was the PMC's right (and > necessity) to speak about some things in a non-public way. > > I didn't demand that the PMC speak publicly about pertsonal decisions, but it > was clear that individual members of the PMC had publicly expressed their own > opinions. > It can be assumed that they have expressed exactly the same opinions in the > non-public discussion at the PMC. > > > And what did I dislike about Patricia's statement? > My _feeling_ was that Patricia overemphasized the PMC's right to non-public > discussion, probably because they think I deny that right. > > I assure you that I do not doubt this right at all. > > But at the same time this right is only a necessity and not our goal, because > our goal is openness wherever possible. > Is this difference unclear? > You want to discuss in public, whether a certain person became a committer and another certain person did not. How should that be discussed without talking about the individual situation of that persons? But there are very good reasons not to talk about individual circumstances in public without the explicit approval of the concerned person. And it is nearly impossible to discuss an individual situation in public in one case and not in other cases. So the only sensible policy is not to discuss in public whether a certain person became a committer and another certain person did not. You publish strong accusations not based on facts, but on conjectures. But even that approach will not force the members of the PMC to talk in public about things, which must not be discussed in public! We all know that you suspect the PMC, but that is not a new cognition. As a PMC member I can live with distrust and speculations. Jörg, afaik you are a committer, so why you act in that way in strange concerns? IMO this does not improve the image or the performance of our project. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]
+1 (binding, if that matters) Kind regards Michael Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Matthias, all > >> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > >> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against? >> >> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418? > > I call for a vote on the usage of this image > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png > > on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th > Anniversary celebration) > > I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location > main/default_images/introabout > to replace the current about.png > > Regards, > Pedro > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8
Hello, "open source" or "open-source" is not my wording; I prefer "Free Software". But it is ok for me and for that purpose. So let us continue our work. A "-" is not so important to discuss it intensively. It is more important to solve the problems to get a very proper build until anniversary. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8
Hello, Am 10.09.20 um 09:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > a bad looking logo *is* a problem. > The Logo, I voted for is not bad looking in my eyes. For me it seems also proper for example for stickers. IMO it not a "love it or hate it" design and that is an advantage in my eyes. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8
Am 10.09.20 um 10:22 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> -Original Message- >> From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:09 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 >> >> Hello, >> >> Am 10.09.20 um 09:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> >>> >>> a bad looking logo *is* a problem. >>> >> > >> For me it seems also proper for example for stickers. > > Will there be an effective opportunity to discuss this? No. Who pays the stickers decide that and who distribute them also. If someone do not want to distribute them, because they are ugly in his or her eyes, may not distribute them. So the only possible discussion is a trademark issue. It is an old germanophone saying: „Wer zahlt, schafft an.“ Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: T-DOSE 2020 Corona virus update: Postponed a second time
FYI Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: T-DOSE 2020 Corona virus update: Postponed a second time Datum: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:31:56 +0200 (CEST) Von: T-DOSE Organisation An: Dr. Michael Stehmann Dear Dr. Michael Stehmann, In the light of the recent upsurge of COVID-19 cases in both the Netherlands and the rest of the world, we have concluded that an event that brings together people from many different places is not a very good idea right now. Because of this, we have decided to postpone T-DOSE a second time. We are looking at dates in April/May 2021. We hope very much that conditions will have improved by then to such an extent that letting T-DOSE take place is possible in a safe and healthy way. We hope you will still be willing to be present with your project at T-DOSE at a later date. Best wishes, The T-DOSE team signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: T-DOSE 2020 Corona virus update: Postponed a second time
FYI Michael Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Re: T-DOSE 2020 Corona virus update: Postponed a second time Datum: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:13:01 +0200 Von: Dr. Michael Stehmann An: T-DOSE Organisation Hello, it is a sad message, but a responsible decision. Clausula rebus sic stantibus we will present FYMT of Freie Software Freunde Freunde e. V. and Apache OpenOffice at T-DOSE at a later date. Kind regards Michael Am 14.09.20 um 21:31 schrieb T-DOSE Organisation: > Dear Dr. Michael Stehmann, > > In the light of the recent upsurge of COVID-19 cases in both the > Netherlands and the rest of the world, we have concluded that an event > that brings together people from many different places is not a very > good idea right now. Because of this, we have decided to postpone T-DOSE > a second time. We are looking at dates in April/May 2021. We hope very > much that conditions will have improved by then to such an extent that > letting T-DOSE take place is possible in a safe and healthy way. > > We hope you will still be willing to be present with your project at > T-DOSE at a later date. > > > Best wishes, > > The T-DOSE team > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Building AOO under Debian9
Hello Don,
in configure.sh I had this line :
--with-build-version="aoo42x-$(date +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M") - `uname -sm`\n
${GitHash}"
Because I want to have the corresponding git hash I built, I need the
output in two lines.
Thanks for your help
Kind regards
Mechtilde
Am 30.09.20 um 08:38 schrieb Don Lewis:
> On 30 Sep, Mechtilde wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I set up a recent build environment with Debian 9.
>>
>> I have got the same error message again:
>>
>> ~/openoffice/main/instsetoo_native$ build --from cui
>> build -- version: -
>>
>>
>> =
>> Building module cui
>> =
>>
>> Entering /home/mechtilde/openoffice/main/cui/prj
>>
>> cd .. && make -s -r -j1 && make -s -r deliverlog
>> /home/mechtilde/openoffice/main/cui/Library_cui.mk:37: *** missing
>> separator. Stop.
>> dmake: Error code 2, while making 'all'
>>
>> 1 module(s):
>> cui
>> need(s) to be rebuilt
>>
>> Reason(s):
>>
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/mechtilde/openoffice/main/cui/prj
>>
>> When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build
>> by running:
>>
>> I also attach my file LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh.
>>
>> Can someone help me to get a proper build environment.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Mechtilde
>>
>> Am 10.11.19 um 22:02 schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:
>>> Hi Mechtilde,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 5:23 AM Mechtilde wrote:
Hello again,
I did a recent git pull AOO42X and try to build it under Debian 9.
It didn't build. it fails with error in main/cui/Library_cui.mk:37
If I patched it as before then it builds succesfully.
Either we need a switch for Debian 9 and may be newer
distribution/versions or we need another fix.
>>>
>>> The contents of BUILD_VER_STRING might be the problem, attach your
>>> LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh and someone may reproduce the error.
>
> I'm building on Debian 9 and not having any problems. I just did a
> trunk build and in my LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh I see:
>
> $ grep BUILD_VER_STRING LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh | head -1
> BUILD_VER_STRING="2020-09-29 22:09:35 (Tue, 29 Sep 2020) - Linux x86_64"
>
> If I look at your LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh:
>
> %grep BUILD_VER_STRING /tmp/LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh | head -1
> BUILD_VER_STRING="aoo42x-2020-09-29 19:11 - Linux x86_64
>
> I see a critical difference. Mine has " characters around the value,
> but yours has the leading quote, but no trailing quote. Looking more
> closely at the file:
>
> BUILD_VER_STRING="aoo42x-2020-09-29 19:11 - Linux x86_64
> "
>
> It looks like a newline is getting embeded into the value somehow. The
> rest of the info in the string has other differences as well.
>
> If I check out AOO42X and run autoconf and configure, I see:
> BUILD_VER_STRING="2020-09-29 23:34:46 (Tue, 29 Sep 2020) - Linux x86_64"
>
> Ah, I'm running configure with this option:
> --with-build-version="$(date +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S (%a, %d %b
> %Y)") - `uname -sm`${AOO_BUILD_VERSION}"
> What are you doing here?
>
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Just another Anniversaries Event
Hello, both anniversaries of the Apache OpenOffice Project are a very good reason for a meeting of the project members. But unfortunately this can not happen in "real live". But we are able to meet us online. From tommorow (Saturday, 16th of October 2020) 09:00 a.m. CEST (= 07:00 UTC) (open end) we can meet us in a Big-Blue-Button[0] room. https://bbb.daten.reisen/b/mec-egg-wfg-l7x This room was also used at ApacheCon 2020. You can use that meeting also as a BarCamp [1]. If you want to lecture, make a talk or a workshop, you certainly will find an audience there. But we can also use that meeting to gab. There are many things to talk about. A friendly and hearty invitation from Mechtilde and me! We like to meet you tommorow! Kind regards Michael [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BigBlueButton [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp P.S.: Excuse my poor english. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Hello, > Our project is a community of people working together making software, > documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. > If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's > on them. > That's part of what makes us Apache. > > Best regards, > Carl That is correct with regard to law, but for some people not with regard to morals. And to the last sentence I have a comment: I am (and maybe some others are) supporting Apache OpenOffice not because but in spite of the copyleftless licence. Kind regards and excuse my poor english Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Just another Anniversaries Event
Invitation! Room is now open (Mechtilde will let you in) https://bbb.daten.reisen/b/mec-egg-wfg-l7x CU Michael Am 16.10.20 um 10:50 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: > Hello, > > both anniversaries of the Apache OpenOffice Project are a very good > reason for a meeting of the project members. But unfortunately this can > not happen in "real live". > > But we are able to meet us online. > > From tommorow (Saturday, 16th of October 2020) 09:00 a.m. CEST (= 07:00 > UTC) (open end) we can meet us in a Big-Blue-Button[0] room. > > https://bbb.daten.reisen/b/mec-egg-wfg-l7x > > This room was also used at ApacheCon 2020. > > You can use that meeting also as a BarCamp [1]. > > If you want to lecture, make a talk or a workshop, you certainly will > find an audience there. > > But we can also use that meeting to gab. There are many things to talk > about. > > A friendly and hearty invitation from Mechtilde and me! We like to meet > you tommorow! > > Kind regards > Michael > > [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BigBlueButton > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp > > P.S.: Excuse my poor english. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Short report of our anniversary meeting
Hello, on Saturday, 17th of October 2020 we celebrated our twa anniversaries: 20 years OpenOffice and 8 years Apache Top Level Project with a meeting of project members. We met us in a Big-Blue-Button room. https://bbb.daten.reisen/b/mec-egg-wfg-l7x Ancient friends visit us and new faces. So we had very interesting and fruitful discussions about social, management and technical issues. And about the olden days. Early in the morning (CEST) a lady from Arizona joined our meeting - she passed the night waking. In the afternoon (CEST) other friends from the US joined. So it was a world wide meeting around the clock. We used the opportunities of Big Blue Button: presented screen windows, used the chat for sharing URLs (and for chatting) and so on. It proved as a proper tool for our collaboration. So we didn't celebrated the past only. The room is still available. We talked about regular meetings in that room in the future (on Saturday our Sunday because of the world wide community) and about "meetings on demand". The first on these "meetings on demand" took place on Sunday! Please sent an e-mail, if you like to make a meeting "on demand" - the room will be open than. And please complement this report! Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Short report of our anniversary meeting
Hello Pedro, thank you for your notice. The key server system is sadly broken. So I attach my public key for your personal keyring. Regards Michael Am 20.10.20 um 11:38 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Michael > > Just a short message to let you know that my email is warning "Unable to > verify signature. Missing public key." > > Regards, > Pedro > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > 0x0783F0572168CF47.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OS2 code
Hi, I think we have to differ between responsibility and merit and support. On the webpage we IMO have to clarify we are not responsible for the OS/2 port and the merits belong to others. But in our code we IMO should do what is in our potentials to support such a port. So please keep the OS/2 code as far as it is usefull. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Who is the Project? was: OS2 code
Hello, Your question is valis. But the answer is might be a little fuzzy. From a formal view an Apache Project needs a PMC with some members and some committers (all PMC members are "committers", but some committers might not be PMC members). But that is not the whole truth, esp. not for the Apache OpenOffice project. This project and its community is much larger than the PMC and the group of "committers". There are people doing for example user support in a great way without being committers. (They do not need committer's rignts for doing it.) There are some more examples. Someone can also do a job normally a committer does if (s)he has a committer as "sponsor". So being part of the Apache OpenOffice project and its community depends oo a nonformal acceptance by "peers", not on a formal status. Everybody can release binaries of AOO because it is Free Software. "Community binaries" are built by committers and tested by anybody. They are published as versions on the basis of a vote of the committers, needing a minimum of positive votes of PMC members (so called binding votes). But anybody who uses the trademark in a fair manner can build and distribute AOO binaries. Don't forget: Life is not black and white (binary); it's colorful! Kind regards Michael )Am 19.01.21 um 22:00 schrieb Steve Lubbs: Maybe it is that there is a Fuzziness on who is the Project? Who releases the Community binary version? Who releases the binary OS/2 Version and Who releases the Source Code? OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
