Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Pádraig Brady]

On 22/02/16 06:54, Courtney Pacheco wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora 
> docker base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.

Excellent.

You might want to keep in mind the use of "coreutils-single"
for Fedora 24 (or backport that packaging change to F23).
It reduces coreutils from about 15MB to 1MB.

cheers,
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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Daniel J Walsh]

On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 11:26 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Courtney Pacheco (cpach...@redhat.com) said: 
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora
> > docker
> > base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.
> > 
> > A summary of the work I did can be found here:
> > https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7c4289014f57080
> > 
> > If you're interested, you can find a more detailed version of the
> > above work
> > here: https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/b8709ed897b7ecc9ac0f
> May be a dumb question...
> 
> If we're excluding DNF, RPM, etc. for a slimmer base image during
> runtime,
> how are we describing the best practices for build? Is the intention
> that
> you should always be pulling in a separate tool container to assist
> with
> the build process?
> 
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I have no problem removing dnf, but removing rpm is going to far.  For
now we still need rpm for looking at the contents of a container.
 While external rpm would probably work, I don't think we are redy for
this, nor is the benefit enough.
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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Courtney Pacheco]

On 02/22/2016 11:26 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:

Courtney Pacheco (cpach...@redhat.com) said:

Hi everyone,

I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora docker
base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.

A summary of the work I did can be found here:
https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7c4289014f57080

If you're interested, you can find a more detailed version of the above work
here: https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/b8709ed897b7ecc9ac0f

May be a dumb question...

If we're excluding DNF, RPM, etc. for a slimmer base image during runtime,
how are we describing the best practices for build? Is the intention that
you should always be pulling in a separate tool container to assist with
the build process?

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Hi Bill,

Ideally, we'd like to remove dnf and other tools that build the image 
because it's like shipping the "BuildRequires" fields as part of a 
binary rpm.


In place of dnf, rpm, etc., we'd like to have a "builder tool" that 
volume mounts dnf or other tools during the build, or builds and 
produces an image using outside tools. So yes, the intention would be to 
pull in a separate tool container to assist with the build process.


Hope that helps

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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:04:40AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 09:54 -0500, Courtney Pacheco wrote:
> 
> > If possible, I'd like some feedback on the work I did. Comments and 
> > criticism are more than welcomed! I realize there may be some 
> > controversy in terms of what I chose to remove and what I chose to turn 
> > into weak dependencies, but I would like to hear your thoughts either way.
> 
> Removing tzdata seems like a bad idea. I think a small amount of code
> change could make the cost of keeping tzdata much lower. Virtually all
> of the tzdata files are less than 4 kilobytes, so most of the on-disk
> storage cost is block size overhead:
> 
> dmt:~% du -s --apparent-size /usr/share/zoneinfo
> 1720  /usr/share/zoneinfo
> dmt:~% du -s /usr/share/zoneinfo
> 4780  /usr/share/zoneinfo
> 
> Possible options include:
> 
> a) Glue all the compiled zone info together in a single file, teach
> glibc and friends about it
> b) Glue the zone info together in a romfs image, mount it from a
> systemd unit
> c) Both of the above: glue them all together in a romfs, add a
> fuse/overlay fs to expose the individual files
> d) Mount a zoneinfo fs exported from the host

The 'posix' and 'right' subdirectories in /usr/share/zoneinfo could be
dumped and then whichever one we want could just be installed as
/usr/share/zoneinfo.  The 'posix' collection are the zones without counting
leap seconds normally, the 'right' collection are the zones with leap
seconds counted normally.

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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Josh Boyer]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Courtney Pacheco  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora docker
> base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.

Thanks for doing this.  It is great to see someone working on minimization.

> A summary of the work I did can be found here:
> https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7c4289014f57080
>
> If you're interested, you can find a more detailed version of the above work
> here: https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/b8709ed897b7ecc9ac0f
>
> I essentially looked at which packages were being installed to the base
> image and tried to determine which of those packages could be turned into
> weak dependencies and which of those packages we could possibly break up.
>
> If possible, I'd like some feedback on the work I did. Comments and
> criticism are more than welcomed! I realize there may be some controversy in
> terms of what I chose to remove and what I chose to turn into weak
> dependencies, but I would like to hear your thoughts either way.

On the "Kernel Packages" section, I tend to agree that kmod and
kmod-libs likely don't make sense in a docker container.  However,
libseccomp should likely remain.  The library is there to make use of
the in-kernel seccomp functionality, and systemd and other
applications use it to limit their syscall interface to the kernel.
This reduces the potential attack surface, and in essence at least
helps containers actually contain.

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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Bill Nottingham]

Courtney Pacheco (cpach...@redhat.com) said: 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora docker
> base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.
> 
> A summary of the work I did can be found here:
> https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7c4289014f57080
> 
> If you're interested, you can find a more detailed version of the above work
> here: https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/b8709ed897b7ecc9ac0f

May be a dumb question...

If we're excluding DNF, RPM, etc. for a slimmer base image during runtime,
how are we describing the best practices for build? Is the intention that
you should always be pulling in a separate tool container to assist with
the build process?

Bill
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Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Adam Jackson]

On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 09:54 -0500, Courtney Pacheco wrote:

> If possible, I'd like some feedback on the work I did. Comments and 
> criticism are more than welcomed! I realize there may be some 
> controversy in terms of what I chose to remove and what I chose to turn 
> into weak dependencies, but I would like to hear your thoughts either way.

Removing tzdata seems like a bad idea. I think a small amount of code
change could make the cost of keeping tzdata much lower. Virtually all
of the tzdata files are less than 4 kilobytes, so most of the on-disk
storage cost is block size overhead:

dmt:~% du -s --apparent-size /usr/share/zoneinfo
1720/usr/share/zoneinfo
dmt:~% du -s /usr/share/zoneinfo
4780/usr/share/zoneinfo

Possible options include:

a) Glue all the compiled zone info together in a single file, teach
glibc and friends about it
b) Glue the zone info together in a romfs image, mount it from a
systemd unit
c) Both of the above: glue them all together in a romfs, add a
fuse/overlay fs to expose the individual files
d) Mount a zoneinfo fs exported from the host

A somewhat similar criticism applies to removing gconv. Pretending that
applications don't have to deal with multiple character encodings is
likely to be wrong, and we don't currently have any metadata to track
whether a binary calls iconv() so there's no way to express the need
for the gconv modules. Here again, most of these libraries are
relatively small, and gluing them all together would be a decent size
win:

dmt:/usr/lib64/gconv% du -c *.so | tail -1
7352total
dmt:/usr/lib64/gconv% du --apparent-size -c *.so | tail -1
6448total
dmt:/usr/lib64/gconv% size -t *.so | tail -1
4778516  161368    2016 4941900  4b684c 
(TOTALS)

Both things are possible here: we could teach rpm's find-requires to
know about iconv, _and_ link all the gconv modules together.

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Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

[Courtney Pacheco]

Hi everyone,

I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora 
docker base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%.


A summary of the work I did can be found here: 
https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7c4289014f57080


If you're interested, you can find a more detailed version of the above 
work here: https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/b8709ed897b7ecc9ac0f


I essentially looked at which packages were being installed to the base 
image and tried to determine which of those packages could be turned 
into weak dependencies and which of those packages we could possibly 
break up.


If possible, I'd like some feedback on the work I did. Comments and 
criticism are more than welcomed! I realize there may be some 
controversy in terms of what I chose to remove and what I chose to turn 
into weak dependencies, but I would like to hear your thoughts either way.


As a side note, I originally posted my preliminary results to 
atomic-devel list a few weeks ago, but I used some of the feedback I got 
to make improvements. I also was able to reduce glibc with the help of 
Carlos O'Donell.


Thanks!
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