Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com, their slogan being Everything, by Everyone. Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time. I dont see flash as the main XO education content maker, but can see the argument for popularity in the short term. James. 2010/4/12 John Watlington w...@laptop.org On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what I'm missing). It's all the rage for games these days. My kids constantly astound me with the rendering quality and interactiveness of flash games that they are able to find for free on the web. Deployments that have asked for Flash also point to games as the reason. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupted or limited by deployment on the Flash platform.The FlashPlayer implements a virtual machine that is customized by Adobe to run on various hardware and OSs. They're extending it now to ARM-processor-based devices (cell phones). The concept is write-once-run-everywhere. The FlashPlayer runs inside browsers or stand-alone (AIR). The programming language it supports (ActionScript) is now a very capable language, has libraries (both free and not-free) for lots of goodies including very rich graphical interfaces, has a powerful declarative xml-based language (Flex MXML) for building the interfaces and binding data to them, has an open-source free-to-use (from Adobe) compiler, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, has a superb IDE from Adobe that only costs $249 for the standard version which includes a visual drag-and-drop design view mode as well as text mode of programming and lots of features lacking in the FOSS FlashDevelop, etc. One can program and run Flash programs with free-to-use software. I know of a very capable interactive web site (www.vyew.com, try the demo and see) that runs extremely nicely and was built with the open source IDE. Vyew.com runs on my XO, but I had to install the Teapot distribution of Xubuntu on an SD card and run Firefox with FlashPlayer plugin.It runs an interactive whiteboard plus 2-way video and audio on my little XO-1, and it supports plug-in extensions that users can build. If the Vyew developers can do this with free tools, why can't the OLPC community use Flash as a platform? So, please explain why constructionist educational models can't be programmed and run on the Flash platform just as well or better than in Python on Sugar on Fedora. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:31 AM, James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com wrote: I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com, their slogan being Everything, by Everyone. Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time. I dont see flash as the main XO education content maker, but can see the argument for popularity in the short term. James. 2010/4/12 John Watlington w...@laptop.org On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what I'm missing). It's all the rage for games these days. My kids constantly astound me with the rendering quality and interactiveness of flash games that they are able to find for free on the web. Deployments that have asked for Flash also point to games as the reason. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: So, please explain why constructionist educational models can't be Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using Flash myself, some huge such as TLF's SOCCI). Maybe it's a cultural problem (ie: people who get excited with Flash things singing and dancing tend to build shiny stuff rather than deep rich stuff with no ceiling). Please change our opinion -- build something outstanding for learning with low barriers of entry and no ceiling :-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupted or limited by deployment on the Flash platform.The FlashPlayer implements a virtual machine that is customized by Adobe to run on various hardware and OSs. They're extending it now to ARM-processor-based devices (cell phones). The concept is write-once-run-everywhere. The FlashPlayer runs inside browsers or stand-alone (AIR). The programming language it supports (ActionScript) is now a very capable language, has libraries (both free and not-free) for lots of goodies including very rich graphical interfaces, has a powerful declarative xml-based language (Flex MXML) for building the interfaces and binding data to them, has an open-source free-to-use (from Adobe) compiler, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, has a superb IDE from Adobe that only costs $249 for the standard version which includes a visual drag-and-drop design view mode as well as text mode of programming and lots of features lacking in the FOSS FlashDevelop, etc. One can program and run Flash programs with free-to-use software. I know of a very capable interactive web site (www.vyew.com, try the demo and see) that runs extremely nicely and was built with the open source IDE. Vyew.com runs on my XO, but I had to install the Teapot distribution of Xubuntu on an SD card and run Firefox with FlashPlayer plugin.It runs an interactive whiteboard plus 2-way video and audio on my little XO-1, and it supports plug-in extensions that users can build. If the Vyew developers can do this with free tools, why can't the OLPC community use Flash as a platform? So, please explain why constructionist educational models can't be programmed and run on the Flash platform just as well or better than in Python on Sugar on Fedora. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:31 AM, James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com wrote: I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com, their slogan being Everything, by Everyone. Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time. I dont see flash as the main XO education content maker, but can see the argument for popularity in the short term. James. 2010/4/12 John Watlington w...@laptop.org On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what I'm missing). It's all the rage for games these days. My kids constantly astound me with the rendering quality and interactiveness of flash games that they are able to find for free on the web. Deployments that have asked for Flash also point to games as the reason. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
stanley wrote: You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100. what does this have to do with flash? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: ... interfaces and binding data to them, has an open-source free-to-use (from Adobe) compiler, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, does this run on the XO? paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
Hi, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, does this run on the XO? Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for constructionism on the XO even though it doesn't allow XO users to construct anything. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
That page shows Vyew.com running on Xubuntu on the XO-1. In my experience, Vyew.com is something outstanding for learning with low barriers of entry and no ceiling that Martin asked to see built with Flash. (Stanford University uses Vyew for its Stanford Engineering Everywherehttp://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20080917005182newsLang=enplatform, so Stanford agrees that Vyew is worthwhile for a learning/teaching platform.) The Xubuntu (or Fedora) system could be stripped further to make it extremely austere (only the icons and menus you want the student to see), much like Sugar. The point is that a no ceiling application like Vyew, which is a teaching and learning platform on which creative minds can build interactive educational experiences, can be built in Flash to run on an XO. I'm not suggesting that the OLPC developers try to recreate Vyew. I'm saying that Vyew shows how capable the Flash platform is, even using free tools to build and deploy it. From what I've been reading from OLPC contributors, there seems to be a dichotomy between people who want to keep the system pure free-open-source versus others who are more interested in getting something good built even if it incorporates some free but not open source software. I'm a pragmatist. Until FOSS can provide the tools I need to create what I want, I'm not averse to using what I can get now and porting to FOSS later when it catches up. Stan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: stanley wrote: You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100. what does this have to do with flash? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: ... interfaces and binding data to them, has an open-source free-to-use (from Adobe) compiler, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, does this run on the XO? paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
I guess I don't understand constructionism. Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target machine?If Apple had this requirement, all of the iPhone/iPod/iPad applications would be gone. We wouldn't have any of the millions of devices (mp3 players, routers, modems, fax machines, cell phones, etc.) that have embedded processors not capable of running their development tools. The XO is the target machine. It's unreasonable to restrict development to tools that run on the XO. The FlashPlayer runs on the XO (with appropriate OS underlying it). That's more than sufficient to build rich educational interactive constructionist applications.This is an education project, after all.Developers in countries where the XO is targeted can surely get a little netbook to run the Flash IDE as a development tool.Even as the hardware moves on to better, faster, bigger guts, even with radically different processor architectures, the developed applications will still run once the Flash player is ported to the new computers. Stan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, does this run on the XO? Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for constructionism on the XO even though it doesn't allow XO users to construct anything. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using Flash myself, some huge such as TLF's SOCCI). Maybe it's a cultural problem (ie: people who get excited with Flash things singing and dancing tend to build shiny stuff rather than deep rich stuff with no ceiling). Martin, how is this Flash's fault? This is a problem with the authors creating sub-quality content or having poor source material or terrible developers, not a problem with the platform itself. If your educational content is poor, it's going to remain poor no matter what platform you use. If Flash was such a terrible platform for creating e-learning materials, how come over 50% of the e-learning demand outsourced over here is for Flash? (by the way, kids love shiny stuff. it helps 'em learn and pay attention if stuff is shiny.) Please change our opinion -- build something outstanding for learning with low barriers of entry and no ceiling :-) There are 26,909 *FREE* Flash games on Kongregate alone -- a lot, if not most of the really fun ones made by amateur self-taught one-man gangs. How high a barrier of entry is that if those guys were able to make multimedia games, something even most real programmers find challenging, given that there are now free supported tools? I don't know what you mean by ceiling. Also, games, games, games, games, games. If you can make education fun, kids will to learn better. I was lucky enough to have had access to a PC in my childhood with a number of educational games bought by my parents. Because of those games, I was able to get a leg up on my classmates in Math, English and creativity lateral thinking as opposed to my other classmates. Because of my exposure to the PC, I also started coding BASIC games at 10 years old (starting with books from the library) and was actually already messing around with Algebra when almost everyone else only got exposed to it in freshman high school. I don't think I would have been as smart a kid if all I had were books, school, teachers and no educational computer games. Moreover, think of the possibilities for OLPC if you could tap just 5% of those Flash game developers to volunteer for edu-games. Head over to the list of submissions to the 2009 Mochi Media + Dictionary.com word game contest: http://www.mochimedia.com/contest/may09/games There are some really great word games in there. What if we send an invite and could get just 20 of those guys to contribute? I admit, things are very bleak for Flash performance on the XO-1 given the extremely high resolution (it taxes the vector rasterizing engine because of the massive increase of pixels that have to be pushed), but for the XO-1.5, I think the sky's the limit. Aside from poor performance on the XO-1, what exactly is it that makes Flash much worse than any other content-authoring platform? -Naz -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
stanley wrote: I guess I don't understand constructionism. i think that's right. Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target machine? yes. it's one of the reasons most activities, and many of the system, is coded in python. If Apple had this requirement, all of the iPhone/iPod/iPad applications would be gone. We wouldn't have any of the millions of devices (mp3 players, routers, modems, fax machines, cell phones, etc.) that of course. but i don't think any of those would be considered educational tools, let alone embodiments of constructionism. (and nor would you, i'd guess.) have embedded processors not capable of running their development tools. The XO is the target machine. It's unreasonable to restrict development to tools that run on the XO. it's not that unreasonable. kids learn by doing, and exploring. that's kind of the whole point of constructionism. if you give someone a game written using python and pygame, they can (in principle) modify that game to change the playing rules. if you give them that same game written in flash, they can't. it's really as simple as that. whether one agrees with the notion that this is important will vary, of course. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, how is this Flash's fault? I didn't say it was its fault -- I did point out the same cultural issue you mention. And shiny distracts. You are writing very long emails and not pointing to compelling deep and rich stuff. Maybe what Stanley mentions is worthwhile. That'd be news :-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ? I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular material. But what does AIR provide that for instance the combination of latest Firefox plus latest Adobe Flash plugin would not provide ? Thanks, mikus p.s. People keep showing various Linux platforms (e.g., Ubuntu, Debian, etc) running on the XO. As far as I am concerned, if these people *want* to run Ubuntu, Debian, etc., then buying a modern netbook for that purpose will give them better performance than using the XO. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
AIR (Adobe Integrated Runtime) is a desktop application that runs the FlashPlayer virtual machine outside of a browser. You know that Flash is usually thought of as a plug-in to run Flash content inside of a web page being displayed on a browser. To maintain web security, the Flash plug-in enforces restrictions on the Flash programs. For example, a Flash program running within a browser is not allowed to access files on the user's computer, only files that come from the same domain as the Flash program came from off of the web. With AIR, the Flash Player runs as a stand-alone application outside of and independent of any browser. This allows rich Flash interfaces to run just like any application installed on the user's computer. The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can access local files. When a program is being compiled by the IDE, one of the settings the developer chooses is whether to compile it for AIR or for the FlashPlayer plugin.But for the most part, the program will run the same on either platform.This lets developers use the rich Internet application tools to create desktop applications. AIR handles things like the installation, checking for updates, installing updates, automatically without the programmer having to build those services. Go to http://www.adobe.com/products/air/ for examples of AIR applications you can download and run. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ? I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular material. But what does AIR provide that for instance the combination of latest Firefox plus latest Adobe Flash plugin would not provide ? Thanks, mikus p.s. People keep showing various Linux platforms (e.g., Ubuntu, Debian, etc) running on the XO. As far as I am concerned, if these people *want* to run Ubuntu, Debian, etc., then buying a modern netbook for that purpose will give them better performance than using the XO. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can access local files. Back when Netscape first came out, I was bitten when a selfish plugin changed my system's defaults without me realizing it. Ever since, I do NOT want a remotely acquired program to be able to access the local files in my system. [The nobody user was invented to limit access.] I'm willing to mess with my local files myself. But if a program from who-knows-where might mess with my local files -- I'd rather deny myself whatever experience that program is supposed to bring -- rather than chance having that program change how I have set up my system to run. Go to http://www.adobe.com/products/air/ for examples of AIR applications you can download and run. I did. Nothing there looks like something I can't live without. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? An AIR program doesn't just sneak itself onto your system -- the user decides to buy it, or trust the source of it, downloads it, and runs the installer. The point about AIR is that it lets the developer use the same tools to develop rich Internet applications and desktop applications with attractive rich user interfaces. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can access local files. Back when Netscape first came out, I was bitten when a selfish plugin changed my system's defaults without me realizing it. Ever since, I do NOT want a remotely acquired program to be able to access the local files in my system. [The nobody user was invented to limit access.] I'm willing to mess with my local files myself. But if a program from who-knows-where might mess with my local files -- I'd rather deny myself whatever experience that program is supposed to bring -- rather than chance having that program change how I have set up my system to run. Go to http://www.adobe.com/products/air/ for examples of AIR applications you can download and run. I did. Nothing there looks like something I can't live without. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? I've installed and am running applications such as Firefox 3.6.3 (plus Flash 10.1), Google Chrome 5.0.342.9, Adobe Reader 9.3.1, mplayer, FBReader, etc. -- because I trust the organizations that made these applications available. Haven't installed OpenOffice - *why* would I want to run it on the XO ? Tried to install Google Earth once (to see if I could) - the installation process ran out of some kind of resource, and I was not interested enough to fix whatver the difficulty was. The point about AIR is that it lets the developer use the same tools to develop rich Internet applications and desktop applications with attractive rich user interfaces. O.K. My point is that I am not the target for that developer - I have little interest in acquiring his application, no matter how rich it is. [I look for function, not for attractive interfaces.] And if I get an opportunity to mentor a newbie, I will try to convey what kind of things I think he should pay the most attention to. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys! Good news, I was able to get in touch with John Dowdell of Adobe (email below). jd is still around! We used to correspond over bug and quirks in Director versions 3 to 6. From my PoV, Flash is ok installation wise (hey! some optimisation for our gpu would be cool, as would finding a way to use xv on linux again), but AIR installer needs to be a plain rpm. The current .bin installer unpacks itself and builds an rpm on the fly -- this means you need to have rpm dev packages on the target image, that's problematic. Maybe forward to jd? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product manager for the Flash Player and here's what Tom said: Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing on constructionist learning methods, so it's great to hear about Flash + OLPC. As JD mentioned, please feel to free to pass along questions you might have, and I'll see if I can help or connect you to the right folks. Thanks. --Tom Pretty cool, no? Forwarded to Ed Reuben, waiting for replies. :) JD was also asking for consolidated info that he could pass along to the right people I think the best thing for us to do is edit the wiki pages (or create separate wiki pages) for the issues (like installation, etc), suggestions wishlists to get Flash AIR installing running smoothly on the XOs both for Sugar and Fedora, and then forward those to the Adobe folks. I know that Flash has traditionally gotten Flak from the open source community as not being good for the open web because the only authoring tools were commercial products from Adobe, but now Adobe has given open source tools for people to create SWFs and AIR apps via Flex. Cheers! -Naz From my PoV, Flash is ok installation wise (hey! some optimisation for our gpu would be cool, as would finding a way to use xv on linux again), but AIR installer needs to be a plain rpm. The current .bin installer unpacks itself and builds an rpm on the fly -- this means you need to have rpm dev packages on the target image, that's problematic. Maybe forward to jd? -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product manager for the Flash Player and here's what Tom said: Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing on constructionist learning methods, so it's great to hear about Flash + OLPC. It is extremely hard to see how anyone conversant with constructionist learning could get excited about Flash + OLPC. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: It is extremely hard to see how anyone conversant with constructionist learning could get excited about Flash + OLPC. Ditto here. I have never seen anyone who understands learning in depth advocating Flash. Social constructionism and Flash educational content are polar opposites. But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what I'm missing). -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something. My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for entertainment usage. (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I don't really know what I'm missing). It's all the rage for games these days. My kids constantly astound me with the rendering quality and interactiveness of flash games that they are able to find for free on the web. Deployments that have asked for Flash also point to games as the reason. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
hey guys! Good news, I was able to get in touch with John Dowdell of Adobe (email below). I'll coordinate with Reuben Ed for the info needed by Adobe to improve Flash AIR behavior on the XOs. *crosses fingers* -Naz Some stuff OLPC needs to get Flash AIR running better on the XO-1 1.5: -installer tweaks - customizing installation to play better when installing files on the XO's modified filesystem -performance tweaks, hopefully some hardware acceleration -wrappers for Flash AIR to work with OLPC's Sugar system ... the camera of the XO-1 doesn't work quite properly with Flash 10 and would need a few tweaks with the Flash player to run well. Hi Carlos, thanks for the word. I could forward this among the Player and AIR teams, but they'd likely need more information before being able to reply. Is there any public documentation on the current blocks on the project? Here's the best page I know of, but it doesn't reveal what additional help they're seeking: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash I'll also check with Mike Melanson when I'm back in the office tomorrow, to see if he has additional perspective. Any way I can learn more, so I can improve the chances of a successful response? tx, jd -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
