Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Adam Dawoodjee]

ERPNext has a wide range of HR applications ranging from from Acquisition
to Exiting employees. Plus its 100% open source.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks <
laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:

> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
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> New York, NY 10032
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Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

One of the difficulties in getting iHRIS->DHIS2 reporting done is getting the 
UIDs of the right indicators (and disaggreagators).  Perhaps it would be nice 
to have WHO indicators easily installable to DHIS2 with fixed UIDs and 
disaggregated by gender.  

I know it’s not quite the intention for the apps, but perhaps we can do 
something with an app to install the metadata and perhaps a few sample graphs?

Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 15, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> 
> Carl 
> again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow 
> As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on 
> professional staff  so these will be the main ones we will need to import 
> into DHIS2 
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner  > wrote:
> I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
>   http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf 
> 
> it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.
> 
> There is some more discussion on this here:
>
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can 
> map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily. 
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wanjala 
>> VERY good start for a standard list 
>> Can you share it with us please 
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela > > wrote:
>> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are 
>> confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # 
>> are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of staff available 
>> or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to 
>> collect which will be useful for analysis;
>>  
>> PEPELA WANJALA
>> MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS
>> HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN
>> AFYA HOUSE, LG 37
>> P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA
>> TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097 
>> 
>> CELL: +254 (0) 722375633  
>> EMAIL: wanjal...@yahoo.com <>, wanjal...@gmail.com <>
>> h...@health.go.ke <>, meunit...@gmail.com <>
>>  "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: Arthur Heywood >
>> To: Prosper BT > 
>> Cc: dhis2-users >; Calle Hedberg 
>> >; dhis2-devs >
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
>> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with   
>> DHIS
>> 
>> Prosper 
>> good to know . 
>> BUT 
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
>> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
>> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
>> .. 
>> 
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> A
>> 
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
>> Hi Arthur,
>> 
>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
>> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
>> wrote:
>> Carl 
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
>> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
>> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported 
>> data 
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
>> this integration is actually working already?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> 
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 <> OR +255 673150252 <>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
>> Hey Arthur,

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow
As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on
professional staff  so these will be the main ones we will need to
import into DHIS2

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
>   http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf
> it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.
>
> There is some more discussion on this here:
>http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-
> using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
>
>
> Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can
> map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
> Wanjala 
> VERY good start for a standard list
> Can you share it with us please
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela  wrote:
>
>> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that
>> are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated
>> information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of
>> staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main
>> cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;
>>
>> PEPELA WANJALA
>> *MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS*
>> *HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN*
>> *AFYA HOUSE, LG 37*
>> *P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA*
>> *TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097
>> <%2B254%20%28020%29%202717077%20EXT%2045097>*
>> *CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 <%2B254%20%280%29%20722375633> *
>> *EMAIL: wanjal...@yahoo.com, wanjal...@gmail.com*
>> *h...@health.go.ke, *meunit...@gmail.com
>>  *"HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Arthur Heywood 
>> *To:* Prosper BT 
>> *Cc:* dhis2-users ; Calle Hedberg <
>> calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *Subject:* [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate
>> with DHIS
>>
>> Prosper
>> good to know .
>> BUT
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>> place ..
>>
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Carl
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
>> more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
>> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
>> data
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Arthur,
>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
>> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
>> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker
>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>>
>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
>> information on the HWs themselves?
>> Cheers,
>> -carl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
this is a good start  we will obviously only need a fraction of these
indicators, but the ones we use should conform to the standards and formats
outlined here

Cheers
A

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 14 October 2016 at 21:28, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
>
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Below are some of responses:
>
>
>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked.
> Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators
>
>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
>
>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>
> Regards,
> Raphael
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Raphael
>> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list
>> and then have the two softwares talking to each other ..
>> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with
>> the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?...
>>
>>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>>
>> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
>>
>>- workload... SA
>>- ???
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate
>>> Data) with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I
>>> can provide more info
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Raphael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood >> > wrote:
>>>
 Prosper
 good to know .
 BUT
 On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
 data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
 yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
 place ..

 Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated
 data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope
 this January workshop will provide this opportunity

 Cheers
 A

 On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
> integrate iHRS data yet.
>
> 
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <
> arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Carl
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS"
>> is more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we 
>> can
>> do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using 
>> imported
>> data
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Arthur,
>>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen
>>> on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such 
>>> as
>>> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health 
>>> worker
>>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>>>
>>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
>>> information on the HWs themselves?
>>> Cheers,
>>> -carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
>>> focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find 
>>> out
>>> and get back to you.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Calle
 In Zambia we are also 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
  http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf 

it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:
   
http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
 



Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map 
their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily. 
   
Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> 
> Wanjala 
> VERY good start for a standard list 
> Can you share it with us please 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela  > wrote:
> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are 
> confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # 
> are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of staff available 
> or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect 
> which will be useful for analysis;
>  
> PEPELA WANJALA
> MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS
> HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN
> AFYA HOUSE, LG 37
> P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA
> TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097
> CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 
> EMAIL: wanjal...@yahoo.com 
> , wanjal...@gmail.com 
> 
> h...@health.go.ke 
> , meunit...@gmail.com 
> 
>  "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”
>  
> 
> 
> From: Arthur Heywood  >
> To: Prosper BT  > 
> Cc: dhis2-users  >; Calle 
> Hedberg  >; dhis2-devs 
>  >
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with
> DHIS
> 
> Prosper 
> good to know . 
> BUT 
> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
> .. 
> 
> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
> 
> Cheers
> A
> 
> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
> 
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
> integrate iHRS data yet.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Carl 
> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data 
> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
> this integration is actually working already?
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 <> OR +255 673150252 <>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
> everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
> there are some existing standard data models for health worker information 
> that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
> 
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need 
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> 
>> Arthur,
>> 
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
>> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get 
>> back to you.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Calle
>> 
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:

http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf 

Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
> 
> Dear Arthur,
> 
> Below are some of responses:
> 
> do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ? 
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked. Similarly, 
> there are HR/Service delivery indicators
> are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF? 
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
> If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
> Regards,
> Raphael
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood  > wrote:
> Raphael 
> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and 
> then have the two softwares talking to each other .. 
> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the 
> combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?... 
> do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ? 
> are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF? 
> If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
> workload... SA 
> ??? 
> Regards 
> Arthur
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo  > wrote:
> All,
> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data) 
> with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can 
> provide more info 
> 
> Regards
> Raphael
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Prosper 
> good to know . 
> BUT 
> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
> .. 
> 
> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
> 
> Cheers
> A
> 
> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
> 
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
> integrate iHRS data yet.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Carl 
> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data 
> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
> this integration is actually working already?
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
> everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
> there are some existing standard data models for health worker information 
> that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
> 
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need 
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> 
>> Arthur,
>> 
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
>> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get 
>> back to you.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Calle
>> 
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood > 
>> wrote:
>> Calle 
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human 
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi 
>> districts ...
>> 
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to 
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and 
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far 
>> you have progressed?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> a
>> 
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

Raphael,
Please share

On 10/11/16, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
> All,
> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data)
> with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can
> provide more info
>
> Regards
> Raphael
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Prosper
>> good to know .
>> BUT
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data
>> ...
>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>> place ..
>>
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope
>> this
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>
>>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed
>>> to
>>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Carl
 We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
 more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can
 do
 workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using
 imported
 data
 I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
 where this integration is actually working already?

 Regards
 Arthur

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 On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such
> as
> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health
> worker
> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find
> out
> and get back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our
>> MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt
>> it
>> to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs
>> etc)
>>  and then feed back into the development process interesting to
>> know
>> how far you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
>>> tell
>>> you more about that one).
>>>
>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for
>>> managing
>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are
>>> applying for
>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>
>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly
>>> integrated
>>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR
>>> resources
>>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and
>>> contact
>>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc
>>> are
>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
>>> integration
>>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
>>> particular
>>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
>>> 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Hi Carl
Well put ... the major challenge is certainly NOT a technological one -
that is (as usual) the easiest

To go back to my old favorite, the PRISM framework, it is the

   -  *organisational / managerial* determinants (Standard operating
   procedures, facility lists, reporting procedures etc)
   - *behavioural *determinants (coordination between departments, demand
   for data etc)

Once these are sorted, the technical part is easy
r
MY feeling is that we should sit down clearly and identify what OUTPUTS
(indicators, data elements for ) we need for RBF and other HR management
 and analysis tools tools  and THEN see how we can most easily collect
the necessary data .

To do this we need a

   -  clear vision from the various MoHs and NGOs (particularly UNICEF)
   whether they really want to do RBF  and if there is a common vision we
   make a
   - plan (with associated budget) and
   - test this out in a few countries (e.g. Zanzibar)

Can we start moving towards this for the january workshop??

cheers
A
On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> At this point, the challenges in integrating DHIS2 and iHRIS for
> indicators are pretty much entirely related to governance and
> coordination.  The technological tools are there (and they are getting
> simpler and simpler to use).   If anyone is wanting help in these areas,
> please reach out to us (IntraHealth) and we should be able to find a way to
> support you with the tools and provide further guidance.
>
> The main challenges in order of complexity, as I see them, are:
>
>- Often the HR and HMIS units do not work in close co-ordination.
>The information needs for the HR unit (and other similar stakeholders) are
>different than for the HMIS unit.  If there is no formal platform (e.g. a
>TWG)  for these groups to coordinate on and jointly own issues related to
>information needs and the associated data exchange needed to support this,
>than any attempt to have  sustainable data exchange will be dead in the
>water.   This, in my opinion, is the major point of failure.
>- Lack of agreement of facility lists, as has already been mentioned.
>   There are a couple of situations here:
>   - One system (e.g. DHIS2) becomes the authority for the facility
>   data.  In this case, there is existing tooling for iHRIS to load in 
> DHIS2
>   facility data using a third piece of standards compliant software (more 
> on
>   that below) to handle the data management, an “InterLinked Registry".  
> This
>   situation can be problematic, as Kayode alludes to,  if the two systems 
> do
>   not agree on what is a facility.   The set of facilities from an HR
>   perspective is larger than the set of facilities that provide clinical
>   services, for example.
>   - DHIS2 and iHRIS each maintain their own independent facility
>   lists.   This is the most common scenario and occurs when the HMIS unit
>   does not agree to adopt all of the facilities that are required for the 
> HR
>   unit.   In this case, we need to ensure that the iHRIS facilities can
>   cross-reference the DHIS2 facilities.   There is significant tooling on
>   this already, again using third piece of standards compliant software.
>   Note, on the OpenHIE InterLinked Registry call this Wednesday  (see 
> below),
>   Ally will be showing us some of the facility matching/de-duplication 
> tools
>   he developed for Sierra Leone and now extended to be used in other
>   contexts.  Jembi has also worked on a lot of tooling to help automate 
> and
>   monitor the synchronization processes through the OpenHIM software.
>   - There is a third party facility registry that both DHIS2 and
>   iHRIS should synchronize with.  This is a pretty uncommon scenario.
>- Lack of agreement on the cadre, job or other health worker
>classification to report on.   There are three types of stakeholders here,
>and usually each has a different set of classifications for health workers
>they are interested in. These stakeholders are the HMIS unit with DHIS2,
>the HR unit with software like iHRIS Manage, and the professional councils
>with software like iHRIS Qualify.  iHRIS Manage will give you the currently
>deployed health workers, while iHRIS Qualify would give you total number of
>available/licensed (though not necessarily deployed) health workers.  There
>are a couple of other HRIS systems that are also coming: iHRIS Train which
>is used to manage information a national picture on the health workers
>graduating from academic institutions and the iHRIS Community Health Worker
>Registry.
>
>Because of this multiple types of classification, we often need to map
>the cadres from the source HRIS system into the cadres required for the
>HMIS/DHIS2.This mapping can be handled within the HRIS 

Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[wanjala pepela]

Yes, for counties that are running the system is working well though need be 
integrated into the DHIS2 to get the aggregate information;
Otherwise David has worked in supporting the DHIS2 in Kenya and he is more 
efficient; PEPELA WANJALAMINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERSHEALTH SECTOR 
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wanjal...@yahoo.com, wanjal...@gmail.com    h...@health.go.ke, 
meunit...@gmail.com "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of 
Difference” 

  From: David Muturi 
 To: Carl Leitner  
Cc: DHIS Users ; John Liebhardt 
; Carl Leitner ; DHIS 2 
Developers list 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with 
DHIS
   
Hi Laura,I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while 
working for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in 
managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided technical 
assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send monthly summaries to 
the MOH dhis2 system.rgdsDavid
2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner :

Dear Laura,
I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work on 
integrating iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.   
Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager.  We 
would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.
Cheers,-carlAssoc. Director, Digital Health IntraHealth International
Skype: litlfred_intraGoogle: litlf...@gmail.com


On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  
wrote:
We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[David Muturi]

Hi Laura,
I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while working
for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in
managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided
technical assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send
monthly summaries to the MOH dhis2 system.
rgds
David

2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner :

> Dear Laura,
>
> I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work
> 
>  on integrating
>  iHRIS to
> DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.
>
> Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community
> manager.  We would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week
> about your need.
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
> Assoc. Director, Digital Health
> IntraHealth International
>
> Skype: litlfred_intra
> Google: litlf...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  edu> wrote:
>
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

Dear Laura,

I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work 

 on integrating  
iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.   

Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager.  We 
would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.

Cheers,
-carl
Assoc. Director, Digital Health 
IntraHealth International

Skype: litlfred_intra
Google: litlf...@gmail.com


> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  
> wrote:
> 
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
> needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An 
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
> 
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS  in Tanzania developed by the 
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
> 
> Laura E. Lincks <>
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[wanjala pepela]

If iHRIS is updated regularly at district/sub-county levels (quarterly) it is 
more reliable and using DSL you could import aggregated data into DHIS2 and 
overlay the indicators; However, major subsystems of HIS i.e. HRH, Finance, 
equipment logistics ( health products and technologies)  infrastructure are 
weak and not updated;
A paradigm shift for this need be cultivated among the health information 
managers to collect from all the health information sources and use DHIS2 as 
the main aggregate system;
regards PEPELA WANJALAMINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERSHEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & 
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wanjal...@yahoo.com, wanjal...@gmail.com    h...@health.go.ke, 
meunit...@gmail.com "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of 
Difference” 

  From: Laura E. Lincks 
 To: DHIS Users ; DHIS 2 Developers list 
 
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:31 PM
 Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS
   
We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" 
wrote:

> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
>
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[Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Laura E. Lincks]

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
Open Source HRIS is preferable.

In searching for tools I have come across the following:
HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

*Laura E. Lincks*
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP - Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132
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