Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
Amateur radio is not for contesting. Amateur radio is not a sport, it is for communications...meaningful communications. Exchanging signal reports and series numbers or such other drivel is not what amateur radio was intended for. We need to start getting back to RADIO and COMMUNICATIONS, which when you put them together gives us the concept of actually using radio to communicate with each other, You contesters want to do this stupid garbage on the radio, then you need to petition the FCC for contest radio spectrum for which a special license would be issued. Then, you can exchange all of your meaningless non-communications related garbage to your heart's content. You contesters are making us all look bad. How about some of you actually getting outside and exercising while using radio the correct way? Go hang a wire through some trees and actually have something called a conversation. Take your HT with you on a walk and actually get to know your fellow local hams, attract others to amateur radio while showing them that we actually know how to have conversations. I know that the concept of actually having a conversation with people is hard for most of you to wrap your mind around, but you should really try it! It works! You can actually make a few more friends! A conversation happens when two people actually spend time together in a social manner while one person talks and the other listens, then the one who was listening responds with meaningful replies on an actual topic based on everyday reality. Friendships happen when two people actually connect. You gotta have human connection man! Yes, there are actually people out in the world who would like to know you if you just think about more than contesting and actually use some social skills. It works just fine when you try! Let's put the communications back into radio, and goodwill back into the amateur meaning of amateur radio, and bring back a focus on elmering so new hams can actually learn a technical skill instead of just having books shoved in their faces without any incentive to learn. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, KH6TY wrote: From: KH6TY Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:16 PM Greg, PSK31 is a very narrow signal and unless every transceiver has a TCXO, the drift may be too much for the AFC to follow. PSK31 is also very subject to Doppler distortino. In South Caronina, we use DominoEx 8 or DominoEx4 for 2m, but Olivia or Contestia works even better with the mulitpath and Doppler disturbances you often encounter. Contestia 64/1000 has proven to be the very best digital mode for UHF and VHF weak signsl and I run a daily schedule using that mode on 432. The problem is that probably nobody else is on any of the digital modes on 2m to talk to, but you could arrange some skeds. I suggest you use Contestia 64/1000 for the best results. Unfortunately, only fldigi currently supports Contestia 64/1000, so instead, try Contestia 32/1000 which DM780 and Multipsk both support. You will lose 3 dB in S/N, but it will still work pretty well. At least it will survive the QSB and Doppler disturbances on VHF. It would be great to see more people using Contestia on 144 and 432 weak signal work. Contestia will copy down to the noise when SSB is no longer able to be understood, and, at 30 wpm, is twice as fast as Olivia. You need at least a 1000 Hz signal bandwidth to fight the Doppler disturbances. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/10/2010 7:38 AM, GregCT wrote: Hello and Good morning to all, Just looking for a little advise and guidance here. Next weekend is the CQ WW VHF Contest, I'm looking forward to setting out and playing in the contest and I'm thinking of attempting some digital contacts along with the usual SSB to up the score a bit. I've been having alot of fun with PSK31 mostly on HF with a spattering of other modes mixed in but PSK being the most prevelant. I think I would most likely see some PSK activity on 6m, but don't really know what to expect or look for as far as modes on the 2m side of things. Would someone operate PSK on that band or one of the other modes? I'm running HRD with DM780. My personal best score in the contest was in 2006 when I earned 1st place Rover for the New England Division with 8142 points. Due to work and family commitments, I was not able to enter again until last year, which also earned me 1st place New England again. I'm hoping that by adding the weak signal digital modes to the mix that I may "Defend" my title in this year's contest but also beat my personal best score and possible make it into the mix of the competition at the National level. My hopes are high, but i'm not sure if the effort of lugging the laptop along and keeping it powered up will be worth the result.. Any thoughts, ideas, comments that can you can send my way are appreciated, both 'for' and
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
Mr. Hinton, You have hit the nail right on the head! I have a really busy life the last many months and want to get study in for my Extra class ticket. I have my ARRL VE Credentials but cannot give a test until I have that Extra ticket in hand. Your comment about being proud of earning your ticket is right on and it really resonated with me because even though I am a No Code, I actually wish they would have kept the code and added skills instead of taking away. I just came along at the wrong time. I was once very proficient with CW, but wonder if I can ever pick it up again. I never used it on the bands, as I didn't have my ticket back then. I wanted to say that my pride in having earned everything I have is diminished. I am contemplating letting my ticket expire and giving it up from the experience I have had so far. I was going to sell my shack many months ago because I needed money, but it worked out that I didn't have to go that far. I have ambitions such as getting DXCC and WAS and Triple Play, but I have sadly found that everyone wants to use eqsl.cc and those don't count! No one wants to send real cards. I would have cards made, but who would I send them to when i know damn well I ain't gonna get a REAL card in return? My LOTW confirmations are a joke. I see many amateurs who can get confirmation on LOTW like wildfire, but those are powerhouse stations and I think I see that us lower power 100 watt stations just don't seem to be worth anyone's time. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Gary A. Hinton wrote: From: Gary A. Hinton Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 7:27 PM Hello Gary, Gone are the days of being proud of getting your General or Extra Class ticket. Taking a bus to the FCC field office in the city making a day of it. Now days just memorize the answers and your a Extra Class. The system nowadays is so easy a Cave Man with a IQ of five, could get a license. Being a VE here also, I see testes that know the answers but nothing more about them. The basic problem people are just lazy and want everything on a silver platter. You should show these Tech's what they are missing out on, maybe they will upgrade. Remember you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Now flame time. 73 Gary WB6BNE - Original Message - From: Gary To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital I thought I'd run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes: With the currently extended low sunspot cycle reducing the occurrence of 10 meter openings to near zero, there is little to offer new hams for radio operating opportunities besides VHF FM. Many of the people who attend our Technician license classes are interested in doing much more than chatting with the local guys on a local repeater. Sure, VHF SSB is a possibility but for us rural folks, even that provides slim pickings for distant contacts. We are seeing a very low percentage of newly licensed people ever buying a transceiver and getting on the air. We are estimating that number to be less than 10%. Other clubs in our area are experiencing the same problem: good turn out for classes and lots of licenses issued but few new hams getting on the air. It may be that VHF FM is not a viable stepping stone to getting very many new folks active in Amateur Radio. Being an old fart, I naturally began as a novice operating CW on the HF bands. Finding other stations to make contact with was never a problem as there was always activity on either 40 or 80 meters, depending upon the time of day. Making contact with other stations hundreds of miles away was common. While that same opportunity is available today, at least theoretically, CW operation is not part of a new ham's skill set. So... Here is the idea. Would you be amenable to allowing Technician Class licensees to operate digital modes in the Technician CW bands and do you think that would be of interest to new hams? I would imagine, the license limitations would have to state something like a maximum of 300 baud and 500 Hz bandwidth with a 200 watt power limit. There may be other limitations that might be nice to toss into the mix but this is a starting point for discussion. Your thoughts? Gary - N0GW
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
...We're no longer amateur radio operators though. We're all just a bunch of "educated CB'ers". When you take the licensing we have in place, the lack of equipment availability for working on one's equipment and teh fact that the factories make it damn impossible even if you DO know what you're doing. Take all teh similarities between us and CB, especially the ignorance that happens on ALL of the bands CONSTANTLY, and we're just using "souped up CB". Like any other amateur, I understand some things better than others and have my weaknesses. My strength is antenna feedlines, antennas, propagation, and manipulative operating in substandard propagation conditions. Others are more skilled in the interior of the radios and are hard core components gurus. Most of those folks are also the math geniuses. My strength is NOT math, except certain types of math for very specific uses. That goes to say I have a limitation. In the end, we're all just a bunch of nerds who enjoy a strange hobby. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, "John Becker, WØJAB" wrote: From: "John Becker, WØJAB" Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:02 PM At 06:54 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote: >I would agree with Danny but think it would be better just limiting them to 5 >watts (and avoiding the CW bands) . To really annoy people, I will point out >my long standing view that a license should not be required at all, other >than the completion of a three hour safety and regulation course. > >Andy K3UK I remember way back in the 50's and 60's listing to the 11 meter band there was some kind of law & order. Then the FCC again with all their wisdom dropped having to have a license of any kind and I think the rest of the story is well known by all.
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
The key word here is "past". we are in the here and now. People have changed. I
agree with Andy...get rid of licensing and just give amateurs a good, solid
course on safety, regulations, and ethical behavior.
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Dave Ackrill wrote:
From: Dave Ackrill
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:38 PM
Dan Hensley wrote:
> I want to start with the fact that we remain in a very bad economy and people
> are losing their jobs. People are losing their homes, and everyone is trying
> to hold on to their money. Along with this problem, there exists the issue of
> what it costs to buy quality amateur equipment and then there is having to
> deal with any antenna restrictions.
Sorry, but it you look back over the last 60 years the economic ups and
downs have very little effect on the numbers of Radio Amateurs, or even
people engaging in hobbies.
In fact, if you look at slot cars and model trains, the major jumps in
people taking up these hobbies occur when the slumps in economic trends
occur...
Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
Perhaps I can give you some insight at various levels of though as to why new hams are NOT getting on the air. What I'm about to say should not be mistaken for the words of someone with an axe to grind or confused with someone who is simply being unpleasant. I want to start with the fact that we remain in a very bad economy and people are losing their jobs. People are losing their homes, and everyone is trying to hold on to their money. Along with this problem, there exists the issue of what it costs to buy quality amateur equipment and then there is having to deal with any antenna restrictions. There are new hams who don't have antenna restrictions and have to contend with neighbors who complain to the hills about an antenna being erected before it can even become operational. I personally had to deal with some local idiots who kept calling the police and the police kept trying to tell me I had to stop operating or get arrested for som offense they couldn't even name. I explained to these coppers that amateur radio is not within their jurisdiction, but was simply told to shut up. Another problem is that the "old guard" who have an axe to grind against new amateurs due to the change in licensing requirements and other new FCC policies to go with that change which occurred back in Feb of 2007, are running new amateurs off in droves. Hazing or outright threatening behavior by hams licensed before Feb of 2007 is another reason new hams are not getting on the air. I went through this myself. A mentality has arisen that "amateur radio is only for listening and you're never supposed to transmit". Everyone wants the bands quiet and wants the next amateur to just stop operating. It was so bad in my area that I am one of several amateurs who have had their vehicle vandalized or an attempt made to remove their antenna. There are more details I could go into, but will suffice to say that amateur radio has become a very nasty place to be with other hams who want to run everyone off. This is proven by the various amateur radio internet forums...outsiders such as new hams or potential hams see what is being discussed and they see the behavior there and decide they can spend their time and money in better places on better activities. Over the past year, I have tried to introduce amateur radio to two local schools. My proposals were turned down solely because of disparaging and unbecoming behavior on part of the amateur community. The schools cited two sources: amateur radio internet forums and one incidence during which a school official bought a radio receiver, heard horrible discussions happening locally and on the HF bands, and labeled it a possible threat to the children. Another incidence happened when I forgot to turn my radio down while waiting for one of my kids to come out of school and a school official heard one of our local jammers...the school wanted nothing to do with us at that point and opted to say thanks but no thanks. Combine this with a city official who found the online amateur radio enforcement letters at the FCC site who used that to also say thank you but we aren't interested. I have been told that Digital is very neat and have been at several demonstrations. I've operated RTTY with a good friend / elmer from my club and enjoy it immensely! Let's all examine the named factors now that I have put them out here and try to work with whatever we have left of a good public image. There has to be a way for us to find some redeeming quality in spite of the bad behavior of our ranks. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Glenn L. Roeser wrote: From: Glenn L. Roeser Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 10:48 AM Gary, I think that it is a very good idea. I would surely go into the Novice sub-bands to work them. I for one see the Digital Modes as the future of Amateur Radio. As the Digital Modes become more popular we are also going to need more bandwidth. That will be something to think about as well. Very 73 to all, Glenn (WB2LMV) From: Gary To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:55:14 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital I thought I'd run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes: With the currently extended low sunspot cycle reducing the occurrence of 10 meter openings to near zero, there is little to offer new hams for radio operating opportunities besides VHF FM. Many of the people who attend our Technician license classes are interested in doing much more than chatting with the local guys on a local repeater. Sure, VHF SSB is a possibility but for us rural folks, even that provides slim pickings for distant contacts. We are seeing a very low percentage of newly licensed people ever buying a transceiver and getting on the air. We are estimating that number to be less t
Re: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems
Echolink is just another computer messenger. Echolink is not ham radio, it has no place in ham radio, and fails the test even as a tool of ham radio. Echolink is for those who can't figure out how to make a real radio work! --- On Tue, 11/24/09, expeditionradio wrote: From: expeditionradio Subject: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:02 AM Hi Sigi, Yes, Echolink is a wonderful example of a modern networked radio communication system. Can you please tell me which HF frequencies and modes in europe you use to ring up your friend with echolink? How can you ring up your friend day and night with it on HF? Does anyone have a multi-band HF node on Echolink? I ran an HF-SSB voice echolink node for over a year, on 5371.5kHz and 18157.5kHz. It was fun and useful. Over 1000 hams used it during that year. Some of the more interesting QSOs on it were the ones with the most distant and unusual situations.. . such as: A european ham on holiday, walking along a beach in Canary Islands on a 2m FM HT, talking with an american ham hiking with a PRC-1099 manpack on 20W SSB 18MHz in Colorado USA. But of course, all the connections were manual operation with voice calling. Echolink lacked the key signaling and alerting feature to ring up someone if they were not listening to the speaker. It also lacked "remote PTT", so it had to be manually monitored, the old way. Perhaps the recent software updates have added new alert methods or remote PTT? The use of DTMF tones for signaling from end-to-end is not available in most systems due to many repeaters auto-muting DTMF. This makes it difficult to add any type of universal on-channel audio signalling. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA > dg9bfc sigi wrote: > > > ….snip Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA wrote: > > From our mobile phone, we can instantly call a friend > > on their mobile phone in a distant part of the world, > > and it will ring... Can you do the same thing with > >your ham radio? > > -snip > > Yes I can do ….. with echolink … but there is > something missing in the system … > > It should be possible to connect to an echolink > node and tell the node that you are available > via this node (with dtmf tones) > > Something like the mybbs in the packet net …. > .
Re: [digitalradio] More RSID - PLEASE!
I hate to sound stupid, but here goes: What is all this RSID stuff? I've never heard of it until all these e-mails have been going back and forth.. Thanks for any help --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Tony wrote: From: Tony Subject: Re: [digitalradio] More RSID - PLEASE! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:30 PM Phil, > Yes, there had been a considerable jump in activity on the "less traveled" digital > modes. I get the same responses as you do about RSID and it "just works". > philw de ka1gmn Glad to hear that -- thanks for the response.. Tony -K2MO > On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 16:37 -0400, Tony wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I've noticed a BIG jump in 'exotic mode contacts since RSID became >> available in HRD / DM780. I've made more Contestia / DominoEx / Thor >> QSOs in one week than I usually see in months! >> >> The usual response is "I've never worked this mode before" or "didn't >> recognize the mode, but the RSID picked you up". >> >> The RSID has greater sensitivity than the majority of digital modes >> and signals are often decoded by the ID without actually hearing or >> seeing the digital mode itself. >> >> This has helped in a situation where the antenna was pointed in the >> wrong direction and has allowed me to zero-in on a station that would >> have otherwise gone unnoticed. >> >> Patrick's PROP-RSID (Multipsk) sends call sign, locator, power and >> even the antenna gain and beam heading. The information pops-up in the >> waterfall.. >> >> So has anyone else seen an increase in mode activity with RSID? >> >> Tony -K2MO >> > >
Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio .... !!
Guys...this is OLD news and the ham took the city to court. He won his case and it's over. --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Raymond Lunsford wrote: From: Raymond Lunsford Subject: Re: [digitalradio] City attempts to shut down ham radio !! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:38 PM Is yhis a joke?K4YDI wrote: City attempts to shut down ham radio !! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=_d5B9UPw_ 10 Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages |Files |Photos |Polls |Members |Calendar Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 12 New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Auto Enthusiast Zone Car groups and more! Support Group Lose lbs together Share your weight- loss successes. . __,_.._,___
Re: [digitalradio] CSS releases EmComm Ops Radio Software for Packet Radio
There are those of us who do not wish to be bombarded by Fred's muck & mire, especially in the body of an e-mail. Beyond that, you know as do all of us that posting a copy of a thread from another forum is a huge no-no due to copyright infringement. --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Mark Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Mark Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [digitalradio] CSS releases EmComm Ops Radio Software for Packet Radio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 6:09 PM W4PC QRZ Member CSS releases EmComm Ops! EmComm Ops Radio Software Now Available Creative Services Software Releases New Addition to Its Radio Operations Center Software Suite for Packet Radio FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Muscle Shoals, AL, September 30, 2008 —Creative Services Software, Inc. (CSS) today announced the availability of EmComm Ops™, a new software solution for packet radio operations. Designed primarily for emergency radio communications, EmComm Ops helps amateur (Ham), commercial and MARS radio operators connect to, access, integrate and operate packet radio stations with a Windows PC or laptop from a fixed station or in the field. EmComm Ops is the first addition to CSS’ recently-rebranded Radio Operations Center™ (ROC) product line. The just-released version of EmComm Ops supports Kantronics and Timewave/AEA TNCs. A version for MFJ TNCs is now in beta testing and is available for pre-order or trial download. The pending release of EmComm Ops for MFJ hardware is in response to the recent re-introduction of TNC solutions by MFJ Enterprises. At an introductory price of $29.95, EmComm Ops offers radio operators an efficient and affordable entry into advanced software-enhanced packet and radio control. For operators who require support beyond packet radio, CSS’ ROC Digital Desktop™ ($99.95) offers a step up that supports the classic HF digital modes, as well as support for soundcard-based radio modes including PSK-31 and MT-63. EmComm Ops allows users to control radios, TNCs, rotors, and to access logging applications, call books and more — all from within a single Microsoft Windows application. Unlike MS-DOS or Windows 3.1-based radio software, EmComm Ops is a 32-bit Windows application designed from the ground up for Windows 2000, XP and Vista, offering users true multitasking, seamless integration of other radio or PC productivity tools, and the ability to take full advantage of the speed and processing power of the latest Windows-based computers. Operators can control radio transmissions while simultaneously running logging programs, call book programs or any Windows application (including Microsoft Office). “True multitasking means that EmComm operators can send and receive packet communications while simultaneously relaying messages to families and rescue personnel in e-mail,” said Rick Ruhl, W4PC, CSS president and chief architect of the company’s software suite. “And in emergency situations where communications infrastructure has been compromised or conditions limit reliable radio operation, messages can be noted in a text or Microsoft Word file, then imported into EmComm Ops to be re-transmitted at a later time when conditions improve. Operators can also export messages to a file to document communications. Of course, simple Windows cut-and-paste is also supported.” EmComm Ops supports emergency operations by accelerating, streamlining and automating packet radio. Features include: • One-click access to any data stream, packet mode, radio, TNC and rotor for quicker response in an emergency. • Support for multiple packet radio data streams, connection types and transmit/receive/ listen modes. Up to 25 packet conversations and links can be managed when used with a Kantronics TNC, and up to nine with Timewave/AEA TNCs. • Built-in and customizable macros that automate common commands. • Support for dual TNCs, allowing radio amateurs to work in multiple packet modes simultaneously. • Multiple monitor windows, including separate windows for network traffic. • Robust support for packet mailboxes, including point-and-click settings for multiple TNC start-up/shut- down commands. Operators can manage Packet bulletin board systems from the TNC, even when the software and computer are shut down. • Robust file transfer capabilities in ASCII (text) or binary (data) formats, with an unlimited buffer for ASCII file transfers. • A built-in mini logging program built on a Microsoft Access database, plus interoperability with Log Window and DX4Win software. • Multiple call-book integration. • Compatibility with over 70 radios from leading manufacturers including ICOM, Kenwood, Tentec, Yeasu and Alinco. • Includes an advanced TN
Re: [digitalradio] Grouply's comment
The Grouply thing just seems as if it is something along the lines of just another e-mail account for your group messages to go to. Why do that when one can just choose to receive a digest at the original e-mail address? Yahoo allows you to choose daily individual messages or a daily digest (daily archive) of all the groupo messages. I just don't see the point. --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [digitalradio] Grouply's comment > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "DIGITALRADIO" > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 3:53 PM > FYI... > -- > Andy K3UK > > > I am one of the co-founders of Grouply. > I did want to clear up a couple of points, though. As far > as security > goes, we carefully protect your Yahoo password - we do not > phish or do > identity theft. We use it only for discovering your group > list and > retrieving messages - we will NOT use it for anything else, > like your > Yahoo email. > > People cannot read messages in Grouply unless they are a > member of > your Yahoo Group. Part of the reason we need your Yahoo ID > and > password, is that every time you login, we go and check > Yahoo Groups > to see which groups you have joined and which you have > left. Go to > http://blog.grouply.com/protect and view the "How does > Grouply protect > the confidentiality of my group messages?" question. > So Grouply does > not expose messages to non-members. > > Honestly we do not want to have the passwords, but that is > the only > way now for us to respect the memberships in Yahoo Groups. > If Yahoo > provides an Yahoo Groups API, we would noy have this issue. > We have > talked to them about this, but there are no firm > timetables. If you > have influence with them… ;-) While I prefer not to get > the password, > there are successful services that use passwords from other > websites. > Are you familar with meebo? It allows you to use all of > your IM > accounts from one site (like what Grouply does, but for > IM). To do > that, you have to store your Yahoo, AOL, MSN, etc. > passwords and IDs > on their website. They have over 19 million users - any of > which could > be a member of these groups. Check out mint.com - they > aggregrate your > financial data. There you store your bank and credit card > account > passwords and IDs - which is more sensitive than even my > Yahoo ID and > password, at least for me. > > Rich" > > > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked > Page at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > > Check our other Yahoo Groups > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Hams and New Digital Technology
That's the ARRL for ya. Individual hams aren't hams because they don't have that corporate body effect. The way i see it, although I love amateur radio is that alot of people want it to die so that they can make a buck with it like some of the GMRS repeater owners do, and then the PS agencies / military will get what is left of the freqs, then the businesses, etc. Echolink and Winlink never had much of a chance in reality anyway. It's good for it's intended uses, but with the number of people against it...it's an impossible situation. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Miroslav Skoric (YT7MPB) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Miroslav Skoric (YT7MPB) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Hams and New Digital Technology To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 11:16 AM expeditionradio wrote: > A blatant example was what we saw with abolition of morse testing. If > the old morse test wasn't enough to scare away the first generation of > computer-raised youngsters, then the next generation of web kids was > turned off by the vitriol spewed by those who fought to keep ham radio > locked in the 19th Century. After ham radio stupidly shot ourselves in > that foot, we sat back and allowed a huge and vicious attack on > Winlink and Echolink. There went the next wave of youngsters. > Some time ago I wrote to ARRL asking for donating free copies of QST and their promotive materials I could use to promote ham radio during various technical conferences in Europe. They refused with an explanation they preferred other ham radio societies to promote the hobby, rather than individual hams doing that. Recently I wrote to the QRZ editors for the same reason. They did not bother to reply at all. So far about 'efficient' promoting of ham radio ... 73 Misko YT7MPB PS: Btw, does anybody know whom to contact about copies of old articles of Greg Jones WD5IVD: 'Packet Radio Prospects for Educational Data Communications' (1992) and 'An Educator's Alternative to Costly Telecommunications' (1992). (I would need copies of them for reviewing and referencing in my planned book chapter.)
Re: [digitalradio] Signal on 3850
Download Digipan or Ham Radio Deluxe. Then there is also MixW. Use it, tune to the freq, do some fiddling and find out! --- On Tue, 5/13/08, Ralph Mowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ralph Mowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [digitalradio] Signal on 3850 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 7:23 PM A friend told me to lisen on 3850 lsb +- a kc or two. There is some digital type signal there. Does anyone know what it is and where it is comming from.
