Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice general ideas and suggestions

2010-09-30 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Nancy,

Am 30.09.2010 um 05:29 schrieb Nancy Ward:

 2. The discuss@documentfoundation.org NEEDS to at least offer the option 
 to allow users to receive one or two all messages combined Email 
 (usually called Digest option) instead of so many separate Emails being 
 received by all of us.
 
 How and where would this be accomplished at the 
 discuss@documentfoundation.org website ?

see here http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ :

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

2010-09-30 Thread Karl-Heinz Gödderz
thank you Sam

Sam schrieb:
 Hello Document Foundation / LibreOffice,


 I would like to offer to the LibreOffice community a support forum
 that I have just
 created on a reliable host:
 http://libreofficeforum.org
 It is my hope that LibreOfficeForum.org will serve as a central point
 for English
 language support. I am also fluent in the Spanish language, and if
 necessary I could
 create a similar forum for that language if you would like. I have
 been administering
 community forums with Drupal for quite a few years now, and I feel
 confident that with
 the help of some additional honest, polite moderators, we could
 maintain a high level of
 organization on LibreOfficeForum.org.

 Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your time and efforts.

 Sincerely,
 Sam

Same question as I posted in the forum:

can we support other languages also in that forum?
I thought about having http://libreofficeforum.org/de/ for german e.g.
or /es/ for spanish.

so anyone can search his problem in all languages he can understand and
doesn't have to remember that the english forum has the name x, the
german y and the spanish z or so.

could anyone see what I mean?

Best regards
Karl-Heinz


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

2010-09-30 Thread Mike Houben
Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for language. So
people like me, who speaks french, german, english, nederlands, can use the
same forum and don't have to register 4 different accounts!



2010/9/30 Karl-Heinz Gödderz de...@gukk-online.de

 thank you Sam

 Sam schrieb:
  Hello Document Foundation / LibreOffice,
 
 
  I would like to offer to the LibreOffice community a support forum
  that I have just
  created on a reliable host:
  http://libreofficeforum.org
  It is my hope that LibreOfficeForum.org will serve as a central point
  for English
  language support. I am also fluent in the Spanish language, and if
  necessary I could
  create a similar forum for that language if you would like. I have
  been administering
  community forums with Drupal for quite a few years now, and I feel
  confident that with
  the help of some additional honest, polite moderators, we could
  maintain a high level of
  organization on LibreOfficeForum.org.
 
  Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your time and efforts.
 
  Sincerely,
  Sam
 
 Same question as I posted in the forum:

 can we support other languages also in that forum?
 I thought about having http://libreofficeforum.org/de/ for german e.g.
 or /es/ for spanish.

 so anyone can search his problem in all languages he can understand and
 doesn't have to remember that the english forum has the name x, the
 german y and the spanish z or so.

 could anyone see what I mean?

 Best regards
 Karl-Heinz


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Correct Forum for Build Questions

2010-09-30 Thread George Galt
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:
 this was in the Document Foundation IRC.
 Can some one add information on dependencies in 'How to Build' doc if deps
 are required.

 Cypher3c hi, I am trying to build LibreOffice on windows with MinGW, and I
 was wondering what the dependencies are
 Cypher3c i tried ./autogen.sh --with-distro=Win32, but it complained when
 trying to make symbolic links from .git/hooks/commit-msg to
 ../../commit-msg.g
 Cypher3c I am building on Windows 7 x64


 I saw this after he left the channel


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Um, Hi, remember me?  I'm the OP.  I'm all for discussion on
development issues, but could you please not hijack the thread?  I'd
like to see if there is someone who can answer my question.  I've
Googled the error number and it doesn't seem to come up with anything
relevant.  I'm not sure what make means by rebuild the modules since
I have the latest RPMs available for Fedora 13.  Should I take this
question to IRC?

Thanks.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

2010-09-30 Thread Drew Jensen
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 13:38 +0200, Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote:
 Mike Houben schrieb: 
  Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for
  language. So people like me, who speaks french, german, english,
  nederlands, can use the same forum and don't have to register 4
  different accounts!
  
 Thank you Mike. This is the point. I wanted to ask, if this is
 possible.
  

Hello Folks,

First time here, so let me introduce myself.

My name is Drew, and I have been hanging out with the OO.o community for
a little while.

If I may wanted to jump in here with.

One quick point - web forums with multiple languages requiring multiple
user accounts.

Currently on the OpenOffice.org web forums that is a problem, but not
one that is a technical problem as much as historic. Many of the forums
run on different hosts, managed by different teams, launched from within
different NLC groups.

In the case of the 10 forums found at user.services.oo.o they should of
had a common user database and shared user accounts - and would of if
the original site admin had not decided to put that off till needed - he
was a fool. 

Anyway - to make a long story short - in the end it was decided not to
put in the work to 'clean up' the user accounts into a common database
mostly because there was always talk of having a consolidated login for
all systems within OO.o, not just the forums - that just never quite
seemed to materialize. 

*Another subject for discussion here perhaps, cause it is a lot easier
IMO to do this if it starts now, rather then try to bolt it on later -
personally I was, and am, in favor of using OpenID as the mechanism for
this..but there are other solutions for sure.

OK - so about forums in general.

Load - currently the user.services forum on a busy day handles about
80,000 unique visitors. oooForum.org, an English only forum, has about
75,000 unique visitors on a busy day. The busiest days are always just
after a new release, major releases see the largest spikes in traffic,
minor releases much smaller spikes, but they do spike.

I have no, reliable, data on the other forums, German, Norsk, etc.

alright - well this is getting rather long.

Just wanted to pass this along - 

The user.services forum, and oooFourm.org are 100% volunteer run - the
user.services site is hosted on a server in the machine room in Hamburg
DE, at the OpenOffice.org facility, under an agreement between the forum
volunteers group (this is our governing body) and Sun Microsystems -
Under that agreement it was understood that the forum is owned by the
Volunteers with Sun providing only hosting services.

The oooFourm.org is owned by an OO.o community member with hosting
provided, pro bono and has been such for nearly 10 years now.

The day the new foundation was announced I opened discussions within the
volunteer group about exercising the part of the agreement that would
allow us to move the forum, or a copy of it, to a different host. This
would include not just the phpBB code but the full database behind it.

That discussion is actively under way.

Thanks,

Drew

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Getting up to speed

2010-09-30 Thread Nicholas Kircher
 On 9/30/10 8:33 PM, jcausey...@totehmoon.com wrote:
 On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:39:57 +0530, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado
 j...@openoffice.orgwrote:


 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeff Causey
 jcausey...@totehmoon.comwrote:

  Hi Everyone!

 Been a (mostly) lurker on the OOo marketing related lists for a while
 with
 some very minor contributions.  I fall pretty firmly in the end user
 category.  Just a congrats to those who have been involved in helping
 the
 community take this step.  Not sure what I may be able to do to help
 out,
 but I'm here and ready if needed.

 The less technical thing to do is to donate money through paypal.


 +1
 and spreading the work about TDF, and get more people in to this
 familly.
 Thanks!

 Jeff Causey
 Thanks!  Yep, been tweeting and FB'ing about it already, made a donation,
 signed the petition and passed it on to some others.

 Jeff Causey

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Re: [tdf-discuss] dvd/cd-rom

2010-09-30 Thread Andy Brown

On Thu Sep 30 2010 07:50:26 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Andy,

I've downladed your win-iso to have a closer look and in case you are
curious here's a possible link to ours
http://ooodev.cs.utah.edu/prooo-box-cd/prooo-box-3.2.1-1_CD_Win_de.iso

We'd prefer to stay with a GUI but make it way easier to handle and
customize. Of course also on our disks the big cleanup is comin' up.
There are many weblinks on the disks but we want to offer complete
offline functionality and content as far as possible, so they got an
icon to make it easy to tell the difference.

The DVD provides all installers and developer tools incl. source, a
live-version of the GUI is online here http://live.prooo-box.org/de/

and here's a list of mirrors for all actually available disks
http://www.prooo-box.org/download.html

We'd appreciate coordinating our work for future plans in case you're
interested in and in doing something new - we are  :-)



Thanks Erich.  I have added to my todo list and will have a look.  I am 
always interested in trying new and better things.  I am only a 
distributor and not the person in charge so it would only be a local 
thing for me.


Andy
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

2010-09-30 Thread Drew Jensen
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 09:53 -0700, Andy Brown wrote:
 On Thu Sep 30 2010 08:41:17 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Nancy Ward wrote:
  From: Mike Houben 
  
  Why making several forums? Make 1 Forum, 1 Maincategorie for language. 
  So people like me, who speaks french, german, english, nederlands, can 
  use the same forum and don't have to register 4 different accounts!
  
  And then there's me, who can speak only US English. Can't even master 
  British English or Australian English.
  
 
 Then you have us that only speak American, an not very well.  ;)
 
 Andy


Right - does anyone know the ISO code for Spanglish?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-30 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 09/29/2010 10:45 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

 This depends very much on the reaction of Oracle:
 
 If they insist on keeping the trademark given to Sun Microsystems 
 because the community hadn't an entity to claim violations and abuse, we 
 will not be able to use our good name OpenOffice.org any more.

That would be unfortunate.  Changing a name is a big loss of identity
that would take work to recover.  On the other hand, LibreOffice does
the advantage that the product name isn't a URL.  One poster on ./
quipped that perhaps the new name should be OpenOffice.org/index.html.
 That's harsh, but has a kernel of truth -- who hasn't, at one time or
another, had to waste time explaining the issue with OpenOffice vs.
OpenOffice.org?

Not that LibreOffice as a name doesn't have its own problems.  Libre is
pronounced differently in Spanish and French, I'm told, and the word is
a struggle for Americans.  But what's done is done.  Now is the time for
everyone to get behind the new name.

 Jon
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-30 Thread Roman Gelbort

 Not that LibreOffice as a name doesn't have its own problems.  Libre is
 pronounced differently in Spanish and French, I'm told, and the word is
 a struggle for Americans.  But what's done is done.  Now is the time for
 everyone to get behind the new name.
   

Nice thinking, Jon!

But I add that libre speech is widely used in the community through
the acronym FLOSS

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[tdf-discuss] Patching

2010-09-30 Thread Roman Gelbort
This is something I have been asked in various places in Spanish.

How will policies added patch?

The question is that we all like to have many and nice new features.
But, in production environments, it is equally important (or more) to
have stability.

We will have two versions? (Advanced and stable)

Are all questions to begin (or continue) building Commonwealth Office as
a building with good bases.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Volunteering for the Document Foundation

2010-09-30 Thread Sophie

Hi Per,
Per Eriksson wrote:


 Hello,

This is Per Eriksson from the Swedish NLC and the qa project.

I have waited for this moment for a long time and would like to know how 
I best can help out, with the new infrastructure, localization and qa 
work and processes.


If there is any need for a technical person or for planning, please 
advice me on this : )


Thanks a lot for your help proposal, this is great to have you here, I'm 
really happy to see all our friends join :)
As Andre told you, we are going to organize ourself with more 
infrastructure in the next days and we will come back to you for sure 
once done!


Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Spanish how to LibreOffice

2010-09-30 Thread Valter Mura
In data giovedì 30 settembre 2010 19:23:07, Esteban Monge ha scritto:

 Hello.

 Hello I wrote a little guide here (1) in spanish to install LibreOffice
 with OpenOffice.org in Debian.

 I recommend DokuWiki as CMS, have cool options, such social networking
 integration, comments, it's a great tool for translations and updates.

 (1) http://www.nuevaeralatam.com/doku.php?id=libre_office

thank you very much, Esteban, I'm not Spanish your suggestions are very use
ful
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Patching

2010-09-30 Thread Bart Aimar

Il 30/09/2010 22:09, Roman Gelbort ha scritto:

...zoot
The question is that we all like to have many and nice new features.
But, in production environments, it is equally important (or more) to
have stability.


I agree!


We will have two versions? (Advanced and stable)


I hope so!
Is crucial to have a stable version.

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice icon

2010-09-30 Thread René Mérou
Hello,

I'm the mantainer of the free software concept map:
http://es.gnu.org/~reneme/fsmap/en/fsmap-en.svg
(Its didactical matherial for teachers to explain free software. It is
translated to 30 langues)


I made one libre icon for LibreOffice:
http://www.saberlibre.net/libreofficeicon.svg

I propose you to use this icon to refer to LibreOffice. Its LGPL licenced.
(you
can read more in the svg metadata)

I want to change the map. I want to change the reference to openoffice to o
ne
reference to the LibreOffice.

It will be like this catalan version im working on:
http://es.gnu.org/~reneme/fsmap/ca/fsmap-ca-2.svg

Do i have your permision to use that icon to refer libreOffice? At least un
til
we have one more official version or until you accept my little contributio
n.
(I'll be very happy to know something i contributed is used in the program
i
use to teach offimatics)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Spanish how to LibreOffice

2010-09-30 Thread Esteban Monge
 Ditto Steve!

 I'm about to do another tutorial on how to apply the Spanish Language
 pack in the vanilla version of Office Free for those who want to try in
 Spanish.

Cool, if you need help I can help you.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Spanish how to LibreOffice

2010-09-30 Thread Esteban Monge

 exelente trabajo!

¿Pudiste seguirlo e instalarlo?

You can follow it and install it?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Volunteering for the Document Foundation

2010-09-30 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Sophie and Per,

Congratulations! Our dream has come true, I think.
:)

When The Document Foundation/LibreOffice organise its infrastructure,
I would like The Document Foundation/LibreOffice to make a rule for
domain names for language project, similar to the OpenOffice.org
infrastructure, because we are moving from OpenOffice.org as a native
language project.

For example, LibreOffice Japanese language project will have
http://ja.libreoffice.org which will be redirected to
http://ja.documentfoundation.org

Is this possible?

Thanks,
khirano

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Sophie
sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi Per,
 Per Eriksson wrote:

  Hello,

 This is Per Eriksson from the Swedish NLC and the qa project.

 I have waited for this moment for a long time and would like to know how
 I
 best can help out, with the new infrastructure, localization and qa work
 and
 processes.

 If there is any need for a technical person or for planning, please advi
ce
 me on this : )

 Thanks a lot for your help proposal, this is great to have you here, I'm
 really happy to see all our friends join :)
 As Andre told you, we are going to organize ourself with more infrastruct
ure
 in the next days and we will come back to you for sure once done!

 Kind regards
 Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-30 Thread Lane Lester
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jon Hamkins jon.hamk...@jpl.nasa.govwrote:

 Not that LibreOffice as a name doesn't have its own problems.  Libre is
 pronounced differently in Spanish and French, I'm told, and the word is
 a struggle for Americans.  But what's done is done.  Now is the time for
 everyone to get behind the new name.


I, too, think the name is unfortunate in the way it sounds orally.
OpenOffice is immediately understood, LibreOffice will almost always
have to be spelled or explained after being spoken.

I think many will wonder if the product has some connection with astrology
(Libra).

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Volunteering for the Document Foundation

2010-09-30 Thread Leo Moons

 Hello,

Still recovering from the leap the community has taken, but it looks 
promissing. You can count on my support in whatever way I can.
I fully agree with below, as LibreOffice should also be language 
oriented and not nation oriented.


Trust you all agree.

Leo Moons

Nous sommes condamnés à être libres (even more than before)

Op 30/09/2010 23:58, Kazunari Hirano schreef:

Hi Sophie and Per,

Congratulations! Our dream has come true, I think.
:)

When The Document Foundation/LibreOffice organise its infrastructure,
I would like The Document Foundation/LibreOffice to make a rule for
domain names for language project, similar to the OpenOffice.org
infrastructure, because we are moving from OpenOffice.org as a native
language project.

For example, LibreOffice Japanese language project will have
http://ja.libreoffice.org which will be redirected to
http://ja.documentfoundation.org

Is this possible?

Thanks,
khirano

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Sophie
sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org  wrote:

Hi Per,
Per Eriksson wrote:

  Hello,

This is Per Eriksson from the Swedish NLC and the qa project.

I have waited for this moment for a long time and would like to know how

  I

best can help out, with the new infrastructure, localization and qa work

  and

processes.

If there is any need for a technical person or for planning, please advi

ce

me on this : )

Thanks a lot for your help proposal, this is great to have you here, I'm
really happy to see all our friends join :)
As Andre told you, we are going to organize ourself with more infrastruct

ure

in the next days and we will come back to you for sure once done!

Kind regards
Sophie

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[tdf-discuss] Hi there

2010-09-30 Thread Pedro Corá
Hello,

My name is Pedro and I`m writing to offer my help to build this amazing
project.

I currently work as a support engineer at Atlassian and I could help with
translations (I`m brazilian, so I can translate to portuguese), help with
documentations and with IT infrastructure if necessary.

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[tdf-discuss]

2010-09-30 Thread KBI OR




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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice general ideas and suggestions

2010-09-30 Thread Nancy Ward
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From: Jon Hamkins
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:20 PM
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice general ideas and suggestions


On 09/30/2010 08:27 AM, Nancy Ward wrote:

 As a beta tester for Microsoft, I'm solidly in the NNTP court. In
NNTP,
 threads are much easier to keep up with and I always know what I've
read
 and what I haven't.

Well, it depends on what client you are using.  Thunderbird, for example
can sort email by thread and indicate what you have and haven't read --
and it will handle NNTP as well.  So for at least one client, there is
no functional difference between email and NNTP.  Given the increasing
lack of support for NNTP, I'm not sure it makes sense to move to it.

 Jon

::
For the moment, I'm using Windows Live Mail, which has an NNTP
newsreader and regular non-threaded email. I've tried Thunderbird (a
couple years ago) but it didn't do what I needed. It may be different
now Other than this group, I have no reason to sort email by threads
since I don't carry on multiple conversations with friends and family.
Having said that, I'm also thinking of trying out Seamonkey.

Microsoft created an app that allows forums to be read as NNTP; however,
it will only work with Microsoft's forums as far as I know. Jochen
Kalmbach created a Community Forums NNTP Bridge that works quite well
translating forums to NNTP. Some of the denizens here may know him; the
guy's a genius, and if he could be recruited for this project . . .

Not that anyone here would be interested in the Bridge, but if someone
wishes to contact him about maybe working with y'all, well, here's his
URL: http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/


Nancy Ward
Windows 8 Beta Ferret
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-30 Thread Nancy Ward
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From: Jon Hamkins
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:03 PM
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?


On 09/29/2010 10:45 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Not that LibreOffice as a name doesn't have its own problems.  Libre is
pronounced differently in Spanish and French, I'm told, and the word is
a struggle for Americans.  But what's done is done.  Now is the time for
everyone to get behind the new name.

 Jon

::
Since I grew up to the ripe old age of 7 in the Rio Grande Valley of
South Texas, some of the spanish I learned has stuck, especially the bad
words.

I don't understand why, but Libre to me says Liberty. I would pronounce
it Leebreh, which is probably totally wrong. I was surprised when
someone said that Libre means free.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

2010-09-30 Thread csol...@gmail.com
2010/9/30 Nancy Ward nlrai...@live.com

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 From: Jon Hamkins
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:03 PM
 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?


 On 09/29/2010 10:45 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

 Not that LibreOffice as a name doesn't have its own problems.  Libre is
 pronounced differently in Spanish and French, I'm told, and the word is
 a struggle for Americans.  But what's done is done.  Now is the time for
 everyone to get behind the new name.

 Jon

 ::
 Since I grew up to the ripe old age of 7 in the Rio Grande Valley of
 South Texas, some of the spanish I learned has stuck, especially the bad
 words.

 I don't understand why, but Libre to me says Liberty. I would pronounce
 it Leebreh, which is probably totally wrong. I was surprised when
 someone said that Libre means free.

1. Yes, in Spanish it IS pronounced (sorta) like that.
2. Liberty and Libre come from the same Latin root.
3. Richard Stallman loves that Spanish has a distinction between free
speech (discurso libre) and free beer (cerveza gratis). And I do too
.
That's exactly why the new project was rebranded LibreOffice, and I honestl
y
would stick with the name even if Oracle returned the trademark to the
community.

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