Re: [steering-discuss] Suggested blog about MC work and philosophy
Hi Cor, Am 23.04.2011 23:57, schrieb Cor Nouws: the next part is more about the process /merits on which members are accepted. Is it that you want to say that on the one hand not each contribution is a ground for membership and on the other hand the MC will look to all possible contributions when deciding on an application? Hmm .. not exactly. It is more my point, that we have a list of contributions that establish merit. But there are possibly more ways to contribute (we cannot even name yet) and the MC will consider those ways as well. Any better words for that? And this can be done in various ways. Our bylaws list some ways to contribute, but this list is not totally fixed. The Membership Committee will also value other ways to contribute (we envision that there are many other ways that we even did not think of yet). So - everyone is welcome to contribute and the official membership is our way to acknowledge these contributions. Regards, Cor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] proofreading the German bylaws
Hello, as pointed out in the latest blog entry (http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/04/20/status-quo-on-the-foundation-part-ii/), the next step for legally setting up the Foundation is that those who speak German should proofread the current translation of the bylaws, as these will serve as basis for the legally binding statutes. The translation is available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws/de It is based on the original from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws I would like to ask all of you who speak German to help us in proofreading. 1. Are the translations correct? 2. Does the translation keep the spirit of the English original version? 3. Did you find any mistakes? 4. Are there open questions? I do *not* want to open discussion on the contents of the bylaws again, but I would like to have your feedback if the translation fits the original. Any feedback is welcome. Please do *not* edit the wiki page directly, but post your feedback on steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Thanks a lot for your help! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Suggested blog about MC work and philosophy
André Schnabel wrote (24-04-11 10:46) Am 23.04.2011 23:57, schrieb Cor Nouws: the next part is more about the process /merits on which members are accepted. Is it that you want to say that on the one hand not each contribution is a ground for membership and on the other hand the MC will look to all possible contributions when deciding on an application? Hmm .. not exactly. It is more my point, that we have a list of contributions that establish merit. But there are possibly more ways to contribute (we cannot even name yet) and the MC will consider those ways as well. Any better words for that? The words are fine, but I think I get a bit confused by the way you connected the two parts. (And the biased interpretation word 'indeed' before). I think it is OK to just start a new line with: Contributing to The Document Foundation/LibreOffice can be etc etc And this can be done in various ways. Our bylaws list some ways to contribute, but this list is not totally fixed. The Membership Committee will also value other ways to contribute (we envision that there are many other ways that we even did not think of yet). So - everyone is welcome to contribute and the official membership is our way to acknowledge these contributions. Regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
Hi Daniel, SC members, I just want to show you what already has been discussed on this topic. See two links below... Daniel Gonzalez schrieb: On 04/12/2011 08:02 AM, Daniel Gonzalez wrote: Hi all I wonder if there are any process to validate a LUG or TDF Group LibreOffice users in a given country. Venezuela is being born in a group of users after Flisol LibreOffice Caracas and one of the questions that we asked is whether the stand we had and the group that was building had approval by TDF. So far there hispanic community encompassing all Spanish-speaking countries but I think it is necessary to jump to something more localized due to local activities that may be generated in each country. Saying? Greetings Hi Guys Sorry to insist on this thread, but I think it is very important to the community in general LibreOffice The intention is to have your support for the creation of user groups in each country the intention is as follows.[...] I hope they give me their opinions to make progress on this issue. Greetings. There are two threads about creating an official logo for a local team in Venezuela on the design@LibO list: Here are the starting mails of these threads: http://go.mail-archive.com/_Cr8tEWfxl-nFFMByPoYBLpTwGQ= http://go.mail-archive.com/_kfDTmWMFBOVLNA5vrH5G907DzI= I tried to describe the difference between local marketing teams and general language based teams for user support and all the other activities in my replies to these threads. Drew is working on a similar topic for the North American team (he just mentioned this in his last mail in the second thread from above). I hope these links give a bit more background information without taking too much time for you! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Forums... again
On 4/23/11 10:02 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello adept techlists - kazar, Am 2011-04-22 19:01:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Just wanted to briefly point out that your participation on these libreoffice mailing lists ARE being indexed by search engines http://www.google.com/search?q=michelle+konzack+libreoffice It is slow! I can not use it! Also it produce a very high traffic which I have to pay. hmmm. it loads in 2 seconds here (and i have very low quality DSL). So take my word for it, your mailing list messages to any list that is archived, as are all TDF lists, are indexed by search engines. since you pay metered bandwidth and are sensitive to the costs, you might trim your signature to one or two lines. kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
On 4/17/11 8:30 AM, RGB ES wrote: People like forums. People NEED forums. So, why every time the forum issue is considered here it falls on nothing? I just want to write in as a consultant and end-user, to point out several of the major benefits of forums over mailing lists that I have not noticed yet in this discussion: mainly --visibility, persistence and searchability I am actually a fan of the mailman software used to run this list and have hosted several email lists using mailman (and, before that, majordomo). However, i find that whereas email lists are better for discussions like this one, web forums make more sense for official and/or community support. For software I use that has web -based support forums, I almost always can find that the question I have has already been asked and answered by someone else, or that the problem I wish to report has already been supported. If you've ever tried searching in mailman archives to see if your question has already been posted answered, it is an exercise in total frustration. Another thing: once I'm on a web forum, if I have time I start poking through the categories to pick out topics of interest and i learn so much about the forum. And another thing: effectively moderated forums will have a FAQ section so that rather than the regular participants having to answer the same questions over and over they can simply point to the FAQ. For those who complain of the bandwidth and time entailed in loading web pages: There is this little thing called RSS, it's been around for a couple of years ;-) ... I subscribe to the RSS feed for web forums and downloading the subjects and summary of all the posts into a newsreader takes LESS bandwidth and time than receiving the same number of complete emails. Just click on the item of interest in your newsreader and you are taken *directly* to the web page with the post. Click the subscribe to this discussion box on that page, if you would like, and receive any further replies via email. Sure, leave the mailman lists up (who knows in how many places the instructions for subscribing have been posted) but also please start official TDF web-based support forums. I bet you'd find LibreOffice users who would volunteer to moderate one or two topic categories. (I raise my hand.) kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
adept techlists - kazar wrote: Sure, leave the mailman lists up (who knows in how many places the instructions for subscribing have been posted) but also please start official TDF web-based support forums. I bet you'd find LibreOffice users who would volunteer to moderate one or two topic categories. (I raise my hand.) The only thing I have to say is that a new forum is not needed. There are two long time forums already supporting LibO and a new LibO forum. The only thing that is needed/wanted is that the TDF/LibO support pages have links to them. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
On 4/24/11 12:04 PM, Andy Brown wrote: adept techlists - kazar wrote: Sure, leave the mailman lists up (who knows in how many places the instructions for subscribing have been posted) but also please start official TDF web-based support forums. I bet you'd find LibreOffice users who would volunteer to moderate one or two topic categories. (I raise my hand.) The only thing I have to say is that a new forum is not needed. There are two long time forums already supporting LibO and a new LibO forum. The only thing that is needed/wanted is that the TDF/LibO support pages have links to them. Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: Witam kazaragain, Dziękujemy za rejestrację na LibreOfficeForum.org Twoja nazwa użytkownika: kazaragain Resetowanie hasła: http://libreofficeforum.org/user/password Jeżeli otrzymałeś ten e-mail przez pomyłkę, to znaczy, że ktoś próbował zarejestrować na Twój e-mail konto. Proszę w takim przypadku nie odpowiadać na e-mail - konta nie potwierdzone zostaną usunięte LibreOfficeForum.org Z pozdrowieniami, Zespół LibreOfficeForum.org http://en.libreofficeforum.org And I found another couple of similarly completely uncategorized forums. The forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ look much more promising, but are not these two products expected to diverge more and more? In my understanding LibreOffice is a new project that _started_ with OOo code but will be building separately. Or will changes made to LibreOffice be merged back into OOo? Obviously I am not a developer so I do not understand how these branches or forks work. I'm not asking to be educated here, that would be OT. Just saying that if LibreOffice is indeed a new product that will become less and less like OOo it ought to have its own official nice forum. Meanwhile sure, the link to http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ should be added prominently on the help page of the libreoffice site. Since I am not any kind of expert or web developer and have little understanding of how OS projects work, it would be silly for me to ask to be on the web team just to make one edit. I hope someone more appropriate for web team membership does that soon. thanks, kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: That forum includes commercial ads. I will not support a forum driven by commercial interests. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Forums... again
Hello adept techlists - kazar, Am 2011-04-24 11:09:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: hmmm. it loads in 2 seconds here (and i have very low quality DSL). So take my word for it, your mailing list messages to any list that is archived, as are all TDF lists, are indexed by search engines. I am on GSM and theoretical use UMTS/HSPA but where I live we have a radio hole and only sometimes it works or using an illegal 14dbi Yaggi antenna Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
Hello adept techlists - kazar, Am 2011-04-24 11:21:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I just want to write in as a consultant and end-user, to point out several of the major benefits of forums over mailing lists that I have not noticed yet in this discussion: mainly --visibility, persistence and searchability Mailinglists Archives are widely mirrort and searchable too I am actually a fan of the mailman software used to run this list and have hosted several email lists using mailman (and, before that, majordomo). However, i find that whereas email lists are better for discussions like this one, web forums make more sense for official and/or community support. For software I use that has web -based support forums, I almost always can find that the question I have has already been asked and answered by someone else, or that the problem I wish to report has already been supported. If you've ever tried searching in mailman archives to see if your question has already been posted answered, it is an exercise in total frustration. FUD Another thing: once I'm on a web forum, if I have time I start poking through the categories to pick out topics of interest and i learn so much about the forum. And another thing: effectively moderated forums will have a FAQ section so that rather than the regular participants having to answer the same questions over and over they can simply point to the FAQ. Web-Forums areheavy target of spamers... Iknow many of them which where hijacked by PE and asian electronic sellers and such... For those who complain of the bandwidth and time entailed in loading web pages: There is this little thing called RSS, it's been around for a couple of years ;-) ... It tells nothing... (experience) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 4/24/11 12:04 PM, Andy Brown wrote: The only thing I have to say is that a new forum is not needed. There are two long time forums already supporting LibO and a new LibO forum. The only thing that is needed/wanted is that the TDF/LibO support pages have links to them. Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: Witam kazaragain, What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2011-04-24 11:21:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Another thing: once I'm on a web forum, if I have time I start poking through the categories to pick out topics of interest and i learn so much about the forum. And another thing: effectively moderated forums will have a FAQ section so that rather than the regular participants having to answer the same questions over and over they can simply point to the FAQ. Web-Forums areheavy target of spamers... Iknow many of them which where hijacked by PE and asian electronic sellers and such... Some are. Well run forums, such as http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ quickly get rid of any spam and ban the posters. It is much easier to find solutions to specific issues on a forum with multiple categories than by searching through a mailing list archive. Most of the support I give is not on mailing lists. It is on: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ Perhaps you should check it out instead of giving your unsubstantiated condemnation of forums. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: That forum includes commercial ads. I will not support a forum driven by commercial interests. Larry This comes as a surprise to me. I do not see any ads before or after I login. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On 2011/04/24 12:43 PM Andy Brown wrote: Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: That forum includes commercial ads. I will not support a forum driven by commercial interests. Larry This comes as a surprise to me. I do not see any ads before or after I login. Andy You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial aspect to the forum. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
On 4/24/11 2:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. good to hear. If you look at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ you will see topic categories. That is what I mean. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
Also, Andy, please have a look at internationalizing the email one gets when one registers. It does not arrive in one's chosen language and, for me anyhow, I cannot read those instructions (in Czech or Polish or something, no insult intended to anyone's native language, most languages look the same to an uneducated American like me :-) ) thanks kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
I got the instruction in Polish, that is funny, because my wife is polish! ;-) Cheers! On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 20:55, adept techlists - kazar techli...@ade.ptwrote: Also, Andy, please have a look at internationalizing the email one gets when one registers. It does not arrive in one's chosen language and, for me anyhow, I cannot read those instructions (in Czech or Polish or something, no insult intended to anyone's native language, most languages look the same to an uneducated American like me :-) ) thanks kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 4/24/11 2:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. good to hear. If you look at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ you will see topic categories. That is what I mean. Did you not see the same list for Writer, Calc, etc on the LibreOffice forum? See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5215855/forum.png for a short list from there. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
adept techlists - kazar wrote: Also, Andy, please have a look at internationalizing the email one gets when one registers. It does not arrive in one's chosen language and, for me anyhow, I cannot read those instructions (in Czech or Polish or something, no insult intended to anyone's native language, most languages look the same to an uneducated American like me :-) ) thanks kazar I would recommend that you send a message to the owner of the forum. At the top each page is a link that can be used to PM him. It was setup to request a moderator position. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On 2011/04/24 1:05 PM Andy Brown wrote: adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 4/24/11 2:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. good to hear. If you look at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ you will see topic categories. That is what I mean. Did you not see the same list for Writer, Calc, etc on the LibreOffice forum? See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5215855/forum.png for a short list from there. Andy When I go to http://libreofficeforum.org/ all I see is a list of Recent Posts. There is no link to go to separate applications. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 1:05 PM Andy Brown wrote: adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 4/24/11 2:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. good to hear. If you look at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ you will see topic categories. That is what I mean. Did you not see the same list for Writer, Calc, etc on the LibreOffice forum? See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5215855/forum.png for a short list from there. Andy When I go to http://libreofficeforum.org/ all I see is a list of Recent Posts. There is no link to go to separate applications. Larry Try http://libreofficeforum.org/forum . That is what I use and it gives the list as seen in the screen shot. Leaving the /forum off takes you directly to the Recent Post layout. I am going to talk to the owner about this. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
snip And I found another couple of similarly completely uncategorized forums. The forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ look much more promising, but are not these two products expected to diverge more and more? In my understanding LibreOffice is a new project that _started_ with OOo code but will be building separately. Or will changes made to LibreOffice be merged back into OOo? Obviously I am not a developer so I do not understand how these branches or forks work. I'm not asking to be educated here, that would be OT. Just saying that if LibreOffice is indeed a new product that will become less and less like OOo it ought to have its own official nice forum. Meanwhile sure, the link to http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ should be added prominently on the help page of the libreoffice site. Since I am not any kind of expert or web developer and have little understanding of how OS projects work, it would be silly for me to ask to be on the web team just to make one edit. I hope someone more appropriate for web team membership does that soon. thanks, kazar I have some doubts as to whether the two products will diverge now that Oracle has decided to end its involvement with OpenOffice.org . I suspect that at some point rather than let OOo just whither and die it will merge with The Document Foundation and the two will become essentially one. If that happens it might be a good idea to use both names, OOo could end up being the Windows version and LO the Linux and other OS version. Or something like that. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkinshamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker that contains each of those words. Actually, there are only about one million English words in English, and that's including the 500,000 or so scientific words. http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JohnnyLing.shtml Note that a spell checker doesn't just need to list the words, but needs to know all forms of the words (plural form, genitive form, different times,) Well, the spell checker just needs a list of words -- grammar is something else. OED2 contained 290,000 entries with a total of 690,000 word forms. OED3 has somewhat more; a solid word list in an office suite should have somewhat fewer. You don't want to include obsolete words that have a close but different spelling from common words, for example. Jon I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which I have added perhaps thousands of compound words.If the current release of LO is significantly better in this area I haven't heard of it. Nor do I know how to find and save/copy/move my personal dictionary. On a related matter, I believe that if a developer/programmer could put instructions on this list, I believe that a few users like me with greatly enhanced personal dictionaries could send them in as attachments and someone could use them to build a better word list that would make for a much better spell check function for LO. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I have some doubts as to whether the two products will diverge now that Oracle has decided to end its involvement with OpenOffice.org . I suspect that at some point rather than let OOo just whither and die it will merge with The Document Foundation and the two will become essentially one. If that happens it might be a good idea to use both names, OOo could end up being the Windows version and LO the Linux and other OS version. Or something like that. Sorry, but I don't agree, LibreOffice is to stay and I couldn't care less about OpenOffice name. But that's just my opinion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which I have added perhaps thousands of compound words. If the current release of LO is significantly better in this area I haven't heard of it. Nor do I know how to find and save/copy/move my personal dictionary. On a related matter, I believe that if a developer/programmer could put instructions on this list, I believe that a few users like me with greatly enhanced personal dictionaries could send them in as attachments and someone could use them to build a better word list that would make for a much better spell check function for LO. Not a bad idea. It may be even better to try to identify a whole new word list that has a license open enough for LibO to use. Jon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Jaime R. Garza wrote: I have some doubts as to whether the two products will diverge now that Oracle has decided to end its involvement with OpenOffice.org . I suspect that at some point rather than let OOo just whither and die it will merge with The Document Foundation and the two will become essentially one. If that happens it might be a good idea to use both names, OOo could end up being the Windows version and LO the Linux and other OS version. Or something like that. Sorry, but I don't agree, LibreOffice is to stay and I couldn't care less about OpenOffice name. But that's just my opinion. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was saying, I agree, LO is here to stay, I think what might happen is that OOo will join TDF, not the other way around. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which I have added perhaps thousands of compound words. If the current release of LO is significantly better in this area I haven't heard of it. Nor do I know how to find and save/copy/move my personal dictionary. On a related matter, I believe that if a developer/programmer could put instructions on this list, I believe that a few users like me with greatly enhanced personal dictionaries could send them in as attachments and someone could use them to build a better word list that would make for a much better spell check function for LO. Not a bad idea. It may be even better to try to identify a whole new word list that has a license open enough for LibO to use. Jon I agree, but from what I have heard on this list, coming up with another word list (one enough better to bother with) may not be easy. And if that is indeed the case, and someone wants to tell me how, I would volunteer to purge my personal dictionary of proper nouns and such and then send it in. Also I am sure many other end users would be willing to do the same. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:43 PM Andy Brown wrote: This comes as a surprise to me. I do not see any ads before or after I login. Andy You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial aspect to the forum. Larry A user can disable the ads for his account. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 2011/04/24 8:34 PM Andy Brown wrote: Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:43 PM Andy Brown wrote: This comes as a surprise to me. I do not see any ads before or after I login. Andy You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial aspect to the forum. Larry A user can disable the ads for his account. Andy That is not relevant. That does not change the fact that there are commercial ads on the site. I will not recommend that site to anyone. Someone makes money any time an ad is clicked on. That is contrary to the spirit of using open source software. This issue came up on this list before when that forum was first started. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need to take specific steps to block ads from that site). One more advantage of forums is that sig files are restricted in length and readers aren't subjected to lengthy sig files that are sometimes advertisement. There's proof of how sig files can be abused in this mailing list. For whatever reason, if a forum by the TDF is not desirable by the power-that-be, we just have to live with the fact. On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: A user can disable the ads for his account. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:21:03PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain and selected English as my language on the home page, when I registered a new account the email instructions were: That forum includes commercial ads. I will not support a forum driven by commercial interests. Where? I saw none. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:51:53PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial aspect to the forum. With Adlock and noscript disabled I see no ads. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
