[tdf-discuss] Grettel Bario Marshall's message in Discuss
Grettel has posted this message also to the Users forum, which I think is the appropriate place, so I suggest we leave this instance unanswered. Please note that Grettel is not registered, so include her email address in any reply. James -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Printing problem in LibreOffice Development Build
This problem is better handled in the users forum. I'm copying it there. Please include OPs email address in any replies as (s)he is not registered and will presumably not see replies if not included. James On 2015-04-07 08:09, glef wrote: Hi! I am stuck in this problem: When I click the *Cancel* button of print dialog box, or when I simply just close it, it would still continue with the printing. Can somebody help me with this? I'm totally new to LibreOffice development so I don't know where to start to fix this.. Thanks, Glefani -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Printing-problem-in-LibreOffice-Development-Build-tp4145552.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
Thanks Drew, that's good enough for me. On Apr 27, 2011, at 18:12 , drew wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:55 +0200, James Wilde wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew is willing to debate the matter. Maybe a solution could be found? Would removing the advertising be a possibility? Anyway, just to keep you informed... I don't know whether I've missed something coming to this thread late, but is there an explanation of why they requested that the link be removed? Hi James, That would best come from me perhaps. The reason is actually rather simple - during this discussion it was apparent that a number of people where strongly opposed to linking directly to that forum. I do not think anyone would say that any type of agreement let alone consensus had been reached. while this was going one of the people with edit rights to the main web pages added links to the site, without I believe realizing that this was being discussed still. My asking that person to remove the link should be construed as meaning that the action was not appropriate at this time. Beyond that I would like to make a few comments more directly to a few points raised, but they would be best added to the emails in which they were raised and I will do so as time permits during the day. I hope that answers your question on the specific point. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Question about proposing the creation of a new format
snip I use LibO for writing, and produce ebooks from the output. There are many ebook formats, as has already been pointed out by others, the main two being mobi (Kindle) and epub (almost every other e-reader). I am active in a forum on ebooks, called mobileread.com. I think I can say that the majority of writers there use one of two methods for creating ebooks. Either they use a service called Smashwords, which takes MS Word documents and produces about six different kinds of ebooks, including pdf, txt, rtf, which most people don't count as ebook formats. Or they use a program called Calibre, which has its support forum on mobileread.com, and which takes odt files as its preferred input. These two methods I would call the professional approach. On the other hand, someone interested in converting some of their documents to ebook (read epub) format for storage and use on their e-reader can make use of an extension which has been available for some time for OOo. I can't remember how good this is, since it's a long time since I used it, but I think it produces acceptable quality for what we can call the non-professional approach. My take on this suggestion is that LibO does what it does well. Production of epub documents is a marginal requirement, which does not need to be addressed with a built-in function. Professionals won't use it, and non-professionals are adequately served by the extension I mentioned - I believe there are now several btw. So the bottom line is that I vote against incorporating epub production into LibO Writer. Just my 2c //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew is willing to debate the matter. Maybe a solution could be found? Would removing the advertising be a possibility? Anyway, just to keep you informed... I don't know whether I've missed something coming to this thread late, but is there an explanation of why they requested that the link be removed? //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
Thanks, Bernhard, for a reasoned and reasonable reply. For those who don't want to read all the comments, including my replies, I'll reply to the original message on the OOo list, as Drew and Andy suggested, with a reference to the Oracle announcement, as Bernhard suggests. //James On Apr 22, 2011, at 04:35 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi James, all, snip About this main question: I don't know the sender, but in most cases of such mails people are not aware of sending their full address and contact details to an public mailing list when they write a mail from their office. If you cite such people you probably do them a favor if you cut this information in your reply. In this case I feel a bit different, as the sender is senior manager of an IT company. So my take is: Yes - the footer doesn't hinder you to reply to his request. I agree. snip He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. Right. So if James replies, he should answer his question on the license of OpenOffice.org. What Drew and Andy don't want to support, is subversive LibreOffice marketing against OpenOffice.org. Even if the rest of the community didn't follow us by now, we don't think that OpenOffice.org is a competitor we have to fight against by all possible means. I'm not sure that using information on a public list to suggest that there might be alternatives to the option he is suggesting on the public list can be classed as by all possible means. In my eyes it is allowed to inform about LibreOffice while replying to the question on OOo license, perhaps linking to the Oracle announcement from last Friday: As there might be major modification in OpenOffice.org community and product structure, he should keep an eye on what's going on in the near future. If this announcement would cause him uncertainty about OOo's future, it might be reasonable to have a look at LibreOffice. That was exactly my thought, although not specified in my comments. He could be going from one closed alternative to another when an open system is available. We should not compete against each other - especially in a situation where none of us know, what will happen to the OOo community. Perhaps we get a chance to re-unite: Then competitive marketing might be an issue that adds negative feelings we should avoid. If this became the case, I would suggest that it was because Oracle dropped OOo, in which case OOo is joining LibO not some kind of merge. Competitive marketing is not the way to go for LibreOffice: Italo Vignoli, our marketing spokesperson, mentioned this point in several mails on various lists: We stand *for* our community and our product and not *against* others. This is the strongest argument and the one I needed. To forward such a message here was wrong I have to say BS here. The information is already public, and likely to be seen by many/most on the LibO discuss list. I agree, but this doesn't mean that this topic is wrong on our discuss list. You might have asked your question without copying the OP mail - and have chosen a more descriptive subject ;-) Matter of opinion - see above. But this is not the way I think is the official position of the LibreOffice community. Even if they decided not to follow our way by one or another reason, these are the people we worked with for several years - and we liked working together. Florian was very sad that he had to resign from his OOo Marketing Lead post - and so did the former OOo Community Council members here in the SC as well as many others. Not valid reasons. Tolerance is important - for different opinions as well as for working in two communities. But that's just my personal opinion... [...] If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. It's just a gut feeling, but this seems to be more honest than a private mail. A mail to the users list will have to be phrased in a way telling just the facts about LibreOffice without doing any harm to OOo. A private mail could be considered as bad marketing for us, because LibreOffice stands for openness and transparency. I agree. snip In my eyes this is totally different: While Microsoft tried to turn the EU position back to proprietary licensed software lock-in, you got notice of someone willing to switch from Microsoft to OSS software. And as OpenOffice.org is not (or not only) our competitor, their mailing lists are not just an arbitrary public list. I disagree. It's good for us, if companies help others to switch from MS to OOo, because - there is too less infrastructure (with professional support) and documentation on migrating to LibreOffice. - as we will prove to be better than
Re: Auto Reply: Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
Now _that_ was an interesting input! On Apr 22, 2011, at 09:53 , tehmurasp.ghy...@oracle.com wrote: -!! Hi, I am out of office till 27th April, 2011 Call me if it is an urgent issue. (Mob: +91 9886 46 3370) Ciao and regards TG -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
OK, it feels like I've created the never-ending story here. After thinking about possible comments over breakfast, I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I can write the intended message on the OOo list without breaching Bernhard's desire not to rile former colleagues. They must be feeling unsecure enough after Oracle's press release. So I've decided, regretfully, that there's nothing I can do. However, one thing I do think is extremely interesting is that no-one has yet answered the OPs message on the list, notwithstanding that it has been up for 16 hours. This kind of simple question usually gets a number of swift replies within a matter of an hour or so, particularly from people who want to take part in the community but perhaps don't think they have the technical competence to contribute in that way. So perhaps the community over on OOo is feeling a little bruised and deserted after Oracle's announcement. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
On Apr 22, 2011, at 13:55 , drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 10:52 +0200, James Wilde wrote: snip I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I can write the intended message on the OOo list without breaching Bernhard's desire not to rile former colleagues. snip However, one thing I do think is extremely interesting is that no-one has yet answered the OPs message on the list, Hi James, If I may - you intention for being connected to both projects I take it, is to support both projects, yes? Actually, no, Drew. I was a firm believer in OOo at one time, especially when I was using linux for my workstation. I became a bit dubious when Oracle bought it, but continued using it. I joined LibO when it started, but didn't convert to using LibO until there was a stable version out. It's just lethargy that's stopped me from quitting the OOo lists. Also, until recently, when the threads started to diverge, there was a good deal of useful stuff in the OOo user list. You will remember furthermore that there was a low signal to noise ratio in the LibO lists at the beginning. ;) Then why not simply respond to him on the OpenOffice.org mail list and answer his question as asked - from the OpenOffice.org perspective? I no longer have any interest in supporting OOo now that there is a genuinely non-commercial alternative. The reason I originally thought it would be a good idea to contact the OP was not at all to do with any thought of competition between different ODT offerings. It was that the bigger the user base for the product I use (and now support in a modest way with a bit of moderation) the better the chances of financial support which will allow LibO developers to keep on providing me with a fantastic piece of software. That was also why I jumped in on the side of those who wanted to actually do something about the EU choosing Office without a cost-benefit analysis, but there again, there appeared to be a lack of enthusiasm from those who carry weight. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Licensing Details Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org Hi, We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, which intent to supply around 500 desktops. The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. The Following components need to imply. 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by Openoffice.Org Looking forward to hear from you. Thanks and Regards, Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i Infotech Ltd. Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com * 3i Infotech wins the WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010 Award * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated companies,(collectively 3i Infotech), are unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Apr 21, 2011, at 23:09 , drew wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Licensing Details Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org Hi, receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of opinion* that *makes horse races*.» Hi Henri Sorry, I have to disagree. If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. Sincerely, Drew Jensen Well, I did have my thoughts on this, which was why I asked. However, the responses have made me think hard about this. Recently there was some discussion about the decision of the European Union to renegotiate with Microsoft about new licenses for Office, without putting the matter out to tender, and I think I can say that a large number of voices thought that TDF should take action, at least making noise about the EU not following its own policy on tendering. I don't remember how the news got out, but it was made public, and someone in here latched on to it. I don't know whether TDF actually did anything about it, but there was a lot of agreement that they should do. Now someone has made information available on a public list which could be beneficial to TDF in a similar though smaller way, and I have decided that I see no problem with making use of that public information. I will wait (nearly) 24 hours for someone from the top of TDF to tell me no, and if that doesn't come, I will contact the poster offline. The time now is 00:09, so TDF has until midnight today. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
Florian, there's an issue in this thread under discuss which you and the rest of the SC might like to discuss. //James On Apr 22, 2011, at 00:11 , James Wilde wrote: On Apr 21, 2011, at 23:09 , drew wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Licensing Details Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org Hi, receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of opinion* that *makes horse races*.» Hi Henri Sorry, I have to disagree. If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. Sincerely, Drew Jensen Well, I did have my thoughts on this, which was why I asked. However, the responses have made me think hard about this. Recently there was some discussion about the decision of the European Union to renegotiate with Microsoft about new licenses for Office, without putting the matter out to tender, and I think I can say that a large number of voices thought that TDF should take action, at least making noise about the EU not following its own policy on tendering. I don't remember how the news got out, but it was made public, and someone in here latched on to it. I don't know whether TDF actually did anything about it, but there was a lot of agreement that they should do. Now someone has made information available on a public list which could be beneficial to TDF in a similar though smaller way, and I have decided that I see no problem with making use of that public information. I will wait (nearly) 24 hours for someone from the top of TDF to tell me no, and if that doesn't come, I will contact the poster offline. The time now is 00:09, so TDF has until midnight today. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues
On Mar 9, 2011, at 08:50 , James Wilde wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 04:05 , NoOp wrote: Of late there are multiple posts on the users list regarding mail list subscribe and unsubscribe issues. snip Florian points out an issue with mailman: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/226 quote We use mlmmj for good reasons. Mailman has a lot of options and the luxury of a web interface, but it's a total mess for moderators. You have one password per list for all moderators, and moderation via e-mail is a pain. /quote Just re-read the msg from Florian quoted above, and the bit NoOp filtered out is: quote That being said, the only viable alternative for the moment was mlmmj (Majordomo is legacy, Smartlist is procmail-based, ezmlm is qmail-only; maybe Sympa is an alternative). So, at the moment, I can't do much about it. Mailman would be great if we didn't need to moderate. Florian /quote This is significant, since, as we are agreed, the only valid reason for moderators, given their limited powers, is, in fact, being able to pass unsubscribed messages. One thing I omitted in my original reply was that a significant portion (don't ask for a %age) of the moderated posts are from regular posters who for some reason post from an address they have not registered. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues
On Mar 9, 2011, at 04:05 , NoOp wrote: Of late there are multiple posts on the users list regarding mail list subscribe and unsubscribe issues. snip Florian points out an issue with mailman: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/226 quote We use mlmmj for good reasons. Mailman has a lot of options and the luxury of a web interface, but it's a total mess for moderators. You have one password per list for all moderators, and moderation via e-mail is a pain. /quote mlmmj is no better for moderators. The choice we have is pass/no pass. And moderation is still via email, and is still a pain. We have no way of making public that a message has been moderated, and/or adding the OPs email address to the list of senders so that Reply All will include the OP. To approve a message, instead of clicking on Reply and getting the original subject as subject of the reply email, we get up a new message with empty subject, so that sending the message is a two-click job instead of a one-click job, since my client is set to warn me when I send an email without subject. Not substantial when there are only a couple of messages, but a PITA when there are twenty. Very occasionally a message arrives which I try to answer directly to the sender, and don't pass the message to the list, but I have no easy way to let my fellow moderators know, and the chances are that one of them will pass it anyway. When I think moderation, I think of moderation as it applies to a forum, or, for that matter, possibly the Nabble interface. A moderator should be able to redirect a message if, for example, a website issue is sent to users, or, more commonly, users and discuss are confused, but we can't do that. Naturally we'd have to let the OP know in such a case, but that would be part of the job. But I wonder if the issue with mailman (moderator passwords) is actually the case: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin.pdf I'm not versed on mailman, so I don't know the answer. However, the current issue of mail list subscribers not being able to subscribe/unsubscribe/modify user settings/etc in mlmmj as they can in mailman is an issue. And it will likely be more of an issue as the number of subscribers to the list(s) grow. +10 Perhaps Florian et al can explain just how TDF plan to implement the lists, now and in the future? Some questions: 1. Why are unsubscribed posts even allowed? It would seem that folks would have learned from the OOo list history. Personally I don't have much of an issue with this. It's for their sakes that we have moderators. A new user is likely to have a question or two when something doesn't work quite the same way it does in MS Word, for example, but for the most part can make his/her own way. And there is a resistance to giving one's email address to everybody and his brother, so the ability to send one or two messages to a list and watch for responses on a web interface is just what they need. Then they go away, and never get the flood of mail messages they don't want, and additionally have no problem unsubscribing. Subscribing with the no-mail option is not really an option here since they think they need the mail in order to get their reply. * From this point of view alone, a mailing list with ability to send a message without signing up has the edge over a forum.* In every other respect mailing lists are so twentieth century. 2. Why are multiple moderators necessary? If it's to get some poor soul to sort reject spam, then there are automated tools to do that instead. Actually, sorting spam is a very minor part of the job, at least up to now, so the automated tools do their job. But my subjective impression is that spam is beginning, slowly, to increase. To my way of thinking - again from the forum world - the principal job of a moderator is to try and maintain a civilised intercourse between participants, and either warn or shut off uncivil ones. To warn we don't have to be moderators, and we can't shut off uncivil ones, so no advantage here. Now if mlmmj had a membership form that was read-only, and we moderators could impose it on a member for a period... 3. Why are we getting posts on the user other lists using Mlmmj — Mailing List Management Made Joyful: http://mlmmj.org/ that the user can't unsubscribe, or can't set nomail? Now THAT is a serious problem. I agree with NoOp that the trickle of help-me-unsubscribe messages is beginning to resemble the Queensland floods. 4. Why is it necesary to send an email for unsubscribe instructions? Right on! snip Let's please discuss nip this issue in the bud now/early before the lists/users grow can no longer be managed properly. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are
Re: [tdf-discuss] hi !
On Mar 6, 2011, at 17:35 , Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 3/6/11 5:32 PM, M Henri Day wrote: snip I dont know how many times i have asked about spam filtering. we need stricter spam filtering rules. I use spamassassin and it works like a charm. Jonathan, you've got the best spam filtering there is - the moderators. You've no idea how much we throw away! However, if I have read the message header correctly, this is one that I approved by mistake, and I'm sorry for that. I'll smack my wrist and promise to improve. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Feb 3, 2011, at 17:37 , yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto: 2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew *祝 新春快乐 ！ *Henri (*戴安理*) whoat are you talking about?:-) http://translate.google.com is your friend! ;) //J -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Feb 3, 2011, at 18:04 , drew wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto: 2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew *祝 新春快乐 ！ *Henri (*戴安理*) whoat are you talking about?:-) Hola, العرض جناح المكتب متعدد اللغات..* ابتسامة * LibreOffice - The premiere multilingual office suite..*smile* Adios, Drew The merry prankster Walk like an Egyptian - fearlessly! मुझे आश्चर्य है अगर हिन्दू खरगोश का साल भी मनाते हैं as they say in India. ;) //J -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
Sorry, this one should have gone to discuss. On Feb 3, 2011, at 20:38 , James Wilde wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 18:55 , yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: Il 03/02/2011 18:18, M Henri Day ha scritto: 2011/2/3 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto: 2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew *祝 新春快乐 ！ *Henri (*戴安理*) whoat are you talking about?:-) I regret having offended your sensibilities, Pier Andreit ; I simply took my cue from Drew. Hope that you have not suffered permanent damage from being confronted with a script you do not understand !... Henri (戴安理) :-))) 'ntepreoccupa' nun s'offennemo, e mica c'ho o so si mo http://translate.google.com/# te po da 'na mano :- You win, Pier. Couldn't sort that one out. :) //J -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Sorry Ricardo - and everyone else. I've obviously missed something in here. It was presumably the Nabble interface I was thinking of. //James On Jan 9, 2011, at 16:04 , RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, etc.)? Regards Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Jan 9, 2011, at 16:04 , RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, etc.)? Good stuff, Ricardo. I would imagine that the main headers will have to reflect the structure of the mailing lists, such as users, website, documentation, discuss, moderators and I believe there are one or two others that I'm not subscribed to. I assume there is some way to determine which ones one has access to. I wouldn't expect anyone but moderators and of course the systems people to have or need access to, say, the moderators forum for example. And there might be a small section for off-topic stuff, such as a forum called introductions, where people could say hello, etc. Somewhere, perhaps in the OT section, there should be a forum for suggestions and requests. Within users, there should be the usual subdivisions of, say, getting, installing, and then one for each of the applications. Also an announce forum, which might be read-only. I'm assuming the moderators can fix so-called sticky threads, ones which remain at the top of the subdivision, such as forum rules, etc. And I'm also assuming that the moderators can move threads if they appear in the wrong subdivision or even division. And might even have the ability to make a person's account read-only if (s)he gets too stroppy. That way the stroppy person can still see the messages, but cannot post except perhaps by sending a post to the moderators. Naturally one expects that it will grow organically, and fora and sections will be added as they seem to be necessary, but it would be good to have a basic structure in place when it opens. And BTW, I assume that there will be a prominent link on - preferably - the home page called Forum. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums bi-directionally cooperating with extant mailing lists?
On Jan 9, 2011, at 23:52 , J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ Will the forums be bi-directional where forum posts are echoed on the appropriate mailing list in a non-thread-breaking way and vice versa? It would be nice to not have to go to two separate places (mailing lists and the new forums) to read what's going on. That was the plan, but the forum and/or mailing list experts were not sure how soon it would be feasible. And I'm not sure how a single mailing list like users would be able to handle postings to and from a subdivision like, say, the Calc section of the forum, let alone Joe Doe's thread in the Calc forum on how to format a date cell. However, the mailing list can, of course, thread messages, so it shouldn't be impossible. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
On Jan 5, 2011, at 20:02 , BRM wrote: I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as a runner up. I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform. But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. I think Ben's last comment is a good idea: put this in the hands of another project. At first I would expect the project to be in the nature of a feasibility study. And I'd like to suggest a slightly wider scope. On Linux the choice is between T-bird/Lightning and Evolution, and personally I've always sooner or later run into problems with Evolution. On Windows there is whatever Microsoft now call Outlook Express. They have an abysmal address book, but no calendar functionality included in the OS as far as I remember, and I don't think OE and Address Book work together, so here, too, there is room for T-bird/Lightning. For my own part, I'm a recent convert to the Mac, after years of being a Linux user and unwilling Windows supporter for my relatives. On the Mac I'm impressed at the way things just _work_ together, and I don't willingly add a third party app if there is a free Apple equivalent which fills my needs. In this respect there is Mail, iCal and Address Book, all of which interact well, and interact with everything else on the Mac. So if TDF is going to get into looking at interacting with mail, calendar and contact functionality, I for one would like it to include the Apple apps in its study. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Is anyone else getting the impression that this thread is polarising into US v rest of world? We've seen several people say that they have to accept what their customers provide and can't go back to the customer and say can you provide this in another format?. To me that's an attitude which I, rightly or wrongly, associate with the US. In Europe we just fire away an email and get the file back again in another format. And the other side of the coin, as others have said, outside the US more and more governments and non-US corporations are going over to FLOSS, whereas in the US, Microsoft is dominant. If this is the case, we're never going to reach concensus on this topic. Personally I've already signed up on Larry's side. How about this for a compromise: LibO comes with support to read docx (which it converts to ODT), but not to write it. When someone tries to write it, a notice comes up saying in effect that docx is a broken format which even MS doesn't think much of, and that LibO, in the interests of free standards does not support it in vanilla mode. However, click on this button and we'll save in doc format. One might even provide two buttons (plus Cancel), Save as doc and Save as odt. But for the Americans and others who might want it, a downloadable module is provided which will write to docx format. Then we turn the matter over to the educators, communicators and marketers to educate, communicate with and market to the North American continent. Then those who want it can get docx compatibility, but they have to make an active choice and they're told it's risky and why. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source formats. I've read a lot of points of view in this thread, and received a lot of information. For example, I didn't know that the docx format was supposed to be MS's open document format. I just thought it was the latest update to MSO making everyone update to keep abreast. So much for my knowledge of MSO. As regards Larry's comment, I endorse it. Read is right, write is wrong. Regarding the different pov's of posters about the advisability or not of writing docx, sometimes you've just got to take a stand, no matter what. It's a case for the marketing guys, not the developers. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
Replied to offline. //James On Nov 23, 2010, at 13:54 , David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I'm just curious... what is the moderator's role? do all messages get filtered by a human? how does a moderator operate? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
On Nov 22, 2010, at 16:16 , Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: In addition to this we will be setting up support accounts on all of the major social networks. Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing list? And will the answers come back from the nabble forum and the mailing list, or are these separate support sites? If not yes to both questions, I would agree with Friedrich that there's a danger of being divided and conquered with these support accounts on the social networks. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
On Nov 22, 2010, at 17:18 , Michael Wheatland wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:10 AM, James Wilde wilde.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing list? And will the answers come back from the nabble forum and the mailing list, or are these separate support sites? If not yes to both questions, I would agree with Friedrich that there's a danger of being divided and conquered with these support accounts on the social networks. The Drupal system is able to directly communicate with Twitter, Facebook and some other social networks currently. So the aim is 'yes' we will have this type of integration. To add a little meat to your question: We are looking to improve the system while maintaining legacy support for the old protocols. Nabble is an add-on to the mailing list archive as a graphical overlay of the mailing list system. The current plan is to build a forum as the central platform off which will hang in/out protocols for mailing lists, news servers, XML (RSS or atom), social networks and any other protocol which people throw our way. This way if someone asks a question on facebook, it could be answered by someone on a mailing list and redelivered to facebook as a reply while the accessable archive remains on the Drupal site (forum or other tool set). In this respect Nabble and the mailing list archives will become redundant and the contents of which will be relocated in the Drupal system. Awesome. This sounds good! //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
On Nov 21, 2010, at 22:31 , jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2010 09:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: ...and? Is LibO going to upgrade the version number every time OOo does? And only then? Unless there is a compatibility tag for extensions, the way that there is for firefox, LibO is stuck with the version numbering that OOo uses, if it wants to retain compatibility with those extensions. Well, I appreciate that it would mean two sets of numbers for extensions, but I can imagine that, in a not too distant future, OOo and LibO are going to grow apart, possibly sufficiently that an extension for the one will not work with the other. Why not accept that from day 1? //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
On Nov 19, 2010, at 23:06 , Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: hm, that's strange. Maybe issues with your mail provider? Well, if it is, then it's affecting gmail also! So far no response emails have come to my gmail account, and it's now about ten hours since I sent the subscribe emails. And no list messages have arrived either. Since 23:02 last night the only messages which have reached me - to this email address - have been three in the website list, from Carlos Jenkins, Benjamin Horst and Michael Wheatland. Nothing in any of the other three lists, documentation, discuss and users at all. Ah, just this second I have received a moderator's email to this address containing a message from Ron Faile which I have approved. We'll see whether it appears in the list. Regards, //James -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1935127.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:44 , Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi, James Wilde wrote on 2010-11-19 23.13: In the meantime I've registered myself [hidden email] in all three, and maybe you can fix me as moderator with that email address, too. on which lists? Can do so if you tell me which lists you moderate. disc...@df documentat...@libo us...@libo webs...@libo But it's no use yet. My application to join the lists from gmail has still not been replied to. Do you think the df/libo mail server has blacklisted me? :( //James -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1936164.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:45 , Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi, James Wilde wrote on 2010-11-20 09.40: So far no response emails have come to my gmail account, and it's now about ten hours since I sent the subscribe emails. And no list messages have arrived either. Since 23:02 last night the only messages which have reached me - to this email address - have been three in the website list, from Carlos Jenkins, Benjamin Horst and Michael Wheatland. Nothing in any of the other three lists, documentation, discuss and users at all. errm... we are on the discuss list, so it seems this mail reached you very well? ;) Yep, it seems that the moderate mails have been coming in and going out, and that I have managed to moderate them. OTOH I haven't seen Ron Faile's email in my inbox yet! It also seems that none of the four subscribe messages that I sent last night have resulted in the normal confirmation email. I have now sent them again and the three to libreoffice.org, for documentation, users and website have finally replied and I have a welcome message. w fourth, to discuss at df.org has not yet replied, and I have now sent it twice. Ah, just this second I have received a moderator's email to this address containing a message from Ron Faile which I have approved. We'll see whether it appears in the list. I have also just received Michael Wheatland's message a few moments ago to discuss. It came into my old account, and is the first message into discuss since October 18. Oh shit! I just found a rule I created to delete all messages from df or libo which have SC (for Steering Committee) in the subject line. Of course, all messages to diSCuss also have SC in the subject line. So that accounts for the silence on that list. I've now disabled that rule, and we'll see what sort of effect that has on the receipt of incoming mail. Sorry. But that still doesn't explain why my emails to the lists to join from gmail last night didn't get acknowledged and why my reply to the confirmation message from discuss at df has still not been acknowledged, although I've now sent it twice. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1936909.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
wilde.ja...@gmail.com On Nov 20, 2010, at 16:36 , Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Which address did you use for subscribing? James Wilde wrote on 2010-11-20 16.01: disc...@df documentat...@libo us...@libo webs...@libo But it's no use yet. My application to join the lists from gmail has still not been replied to. Do you think the df/libo mail server has blacklisted me?:( -- Florian Effenberger [hidden email] Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to [hidden email] Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** View message @ http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1936277.html To unsubscribe from Moderator problem, click here. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1936911.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
Florian Effenberger wrote: Are you sending with the address registered as moderator? Yes, Florian. I have more info. When I didn't see my own message in discuss (via mail) I sent one to users. I haven't seen that one either. Now I decided to log in here via nabble, and here is my message together with your reply. So for some reason I'm not getting email from discuss or users. //James -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1933188.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Moderator problem
On Nov 19, 2010, at 23:06 , Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi, James Wilde wrote on 2010-11-19 22.52: Yes, Florian. I have more info. When I didn't see my own message in discuss (via mail) I sent one to users. I haven't seen that one either. Now I decided to log in here via nabble, and here is my message together with your reply. So for some reason I'm not getting email from discuss or users. hm, that's strange. Maybe issues with your mail provider? I've sent them an email to see whether df and libo emails - or rather some of them - are being treated as spam. I do get rather a lot! In the meantime I've registered myself with wilde.ja...@gmail.com in all three, and maybe you can fix me as moderator with that email address, too. Thanks a million. //James Florian -- Florian Effenberger [hidden email] Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to [hidden email] Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** View message @ http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1933240.html To unsubscribe from Moderator problem, click here. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Moderator-problem-tp1932020p1933265.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:49 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... This isn't productive... how about making suggestions for how to improve things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done? (from the original post) Action point 1: redirect TDF to LibO and not vice versa or have TDF as a 'corporate' site. On reflection leave this as is, but make it clearer on Action point 2: Rename 'Supporters' to 'Admirers of what we're doing'. Action point 3: Rename 'Contribute' to 'Support'. Move Users to the top of the lists list. But see below. Action point 4: Put a redirect on the libreoffice.org site to libreofficeforum.org. Or better yet, sink libreofficeforum.org altogether, and use forum.libreoffice.org. Action point 5: Let the list system fade out, or at least move it down the priorities for user support. I know there are people in here who live in the Unix world - I did myself once - and use text-only email readers, and who therefore prefer mailing lists, but ordinary users don't like them. So keep and monitor the lists, but plug the forum. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:49 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... This isn't productive... how about making suggestions for how to improve things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done? Better still, kill the conversation in here, as has been suggested twice now, and continue it - if it hasn't been done to death already - in website, where the web jockeys hang out who can do something about it. //James -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters
On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote: ... It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't look at the full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the discussion later, when the header is not available. For somebody who really has an interest in the care and feeding of currently unsubscribed users, so they can eventually be brought into the community, or at least be happy with the software, this means that the OP may well be dissatisfied. They don't get answers, and assume we don't care. An additional complication here is that, as far as I have been able to see by going through the headers of messages I have approved, there is no easy way to see that these headers have been moderated as there is on the OOo list. Almost the only thing I see is that my email address, albeit a little garbled, is included with a reference to the envelope (I don't remember the exact wording, and don't have an example in front of me, so I can't be more specific.) there is no easy filter to apply. Presumably the result of us using a different list mailer from the OOo one. From this point of view it would be better if the unsubscribed OP's address were added to the reply-to line, but I can't see that the moderator can do this, since (s)he merely clicks on a link. Plus I, at least, have started sending a mail to the OP of messages I moderate, suggesting that they subscribe. I assume other mods do this, too. //James -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters
On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an 'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new messages to this list... this would simply terrify anyone who subbed for a simple answer to a simple question. I agree. It terrifies me! OTOH people looking for a simple answer to a simple question shouldn't be in discuss but in users. At the moment users gets about 5 messages a day - more later, of course - but over on OOo, one gets a heavy day with maybe 30 messages and some days with just a couple. I don't think OOo users list is too heavy for a normal user. However, I like the idea of separate lists for separate parts, writer, calc, etc. And finally, are we going over to the wiki as (I think) Jean suggested? //James -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions
Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address to the reply. Additionally, the OP will know that tthe message has come from an email address which is not registered, which can happen by accident. And the other question: if two moderators approve a message does it appear twice in the or is the system sufficiently intelligent to reject moderation after the first? I ask this since I approved a message I had not found in the list yesterday and subsequently found that it appeared three times in a list with three moderators. Can't remember which list unfortunately. //James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions
On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address to the reply. Doesn't it make more sense just to modify the Reply-To header (to both the list and the OP) and let the mail client just do the right thing? You mean automatically, or in the copy of the message that comes to the moderators? I didn't think that any changes one made to this would percolate through to the message subsequently posted to the list, but I'm willing to try. //James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
As I understand it, most of the development team of OOo jumped ship to set up LibO in anticipation of Oracle making unacceptable changes to the OOo concept. I don't know how many they are, but I'd be surprised if they're over 30, and as far as I and most users are concerned, they own the product. Many of those of us in here appear to be jumping on the bandwagon after the event, and some of us will stay, and others will relapse into being grateful users who understand that they don't actually have much to offer. I probably belong in this latter group. But the point is, the 30 or whatever developers have been planning this for some time. They didn't launch LibO after a beer last Friday, and they, for better or worse, chose LibreOffice as the name. We're never going to get nearer than 10% agreement however many names we suggest or polls we run, so let's live with their name, be grateful for their enthusiasm and let them get on with turning 3.3 beta into 3.3 release instead of slagging them for being undemocratic or dictatorial. Viva LibO Just my $0.02 //James -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:25 , Mirek M. wrote: Hi Christian, 2010/10/2 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com Hi Mirek, *, On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really excited about the project, but I'm a bit concerned about the name. What concerns me is that one can't tell how to pronounce the name . Some pronounce it librehoffice, some (including me) leeberoffice, s om e may even pronounce it as libberoffice. I'd pronounce it with the french word libre (free) and english office /libʁə ˈɔfɪs/ (not sure about IPA, but you shoul d I have to say that, although I know deep inside that libre should be pronounced the French way, since the idea is that this is a free office program, I vocalise it internally as leeber. I find libreoffice difficult to say or even vocalise internally, being as it is a blend of French and English. I may not be typical, but I suspect that you're going to hear a lot of leeberoffice out there in the real world, and especially from Americans, Brits, Aussies and Kiwis. I don't have a problem with the spelling, just as long as no-one minds my pronouncing it in a funny way. ;) //James the multilingual brit (in other words, if I have a problem with the pronunciation, monolingual brits will have it even worse) -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
