Re: [tdf-discuss] Substitute for Micorsoft Access
Hi, Am 08.11.2012 07:33, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina: Base is the equivalent and is already part of Libre Office In order to avoid wrong expectations: Base is NOT a substitute for Microsoft Access. It is not meant as a substitute for Microsoft Access and nobody seriously claims it to be. You may be able to access Data from within a MDB-File with LibreOffice Base. But you are not able to use an application with forms and macros within an MDB-File with LibreOffice Base. You may be able to rudimentarily reproduce such an application in LibreOffice Base, though. Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Calc AutoFilter change is a regression in usability
Hi, On 16.03.2012 16:31, Shari wrote on us...@global.libreoffice.org: [...] AutoFilter is or should be a /quick /way to drill down information. Not a tickbox with multiple choices, that's more in line with the standard filter. Below shows the increase in steps, however the time increase when you are working with over 600 rows of independent data means I'm going from a second to seconds, which adds up quickly when you do this hundreds of times in a day. [...] Again I appreciate the redesign, I just think it replaced the wrong thing. Quick easy access is what the autofilter is for. Add an additional filter, or replace the standard filter with the new one. This update has decreased my functionality, and ADDED unnecessary time to my workday. Full message from Shari: http://go.mail-archive.com/xMTPpkUAErWFw1bdGFiFCHkq6EQ= I have several users, also heavily complaining about the new AutoFilter. In fact, for the very most use cases the new AutoFilter is much more time consuming than it was before. Unfortunately I do not have the time and skills to start a serious initiative for reintroducing the old version of AutoFilter. Is anyone around who follows the opinion on the new AutoFilter and is able and willing to file a bug and promote an improvement by reconstituting the well-proven old version of AutoFilter? ...or at least forward this to the appropriate mailing list, if this should be wrong here. ;-) Thanks, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Calc AutoFilter change is a regression in usability
Hi Cor, Am 06.11.2012 11:48, schrieb Cor Nouws: I have several users, also heavily complaining about the new AutoFilter. In fact, for the very most use cases the new AutoFilter is much more time consuming than it was before. The new one is getting better. See http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e3250b90677fc7ae449cb3ff887ed3da35b4532f Thanks. type-ahead at least would be a big improvement. However, one has still to uncheck all and to click OK. Formerly this all was only one click. Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
Hi, Am 12.10.2012 17:20, schrieb Florian Monfort: What I think we should do : switch to a date in the year when we know there will be nothing else. Take the calendar and substract all days with an important event. You will end up with a couple of days in the summer holiday season and between Christmas and New Years Eve. For me personally, end of december would be an ideal time for the conference. However I fear, not many others would join. Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed
Hi Christian, Am 15.08.2012 00:09, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: Does this really make sense? The sender of the request would only receive those mails, that are a direct response to his question. Not only direct repsonses, but all responses that keep using reply to all. Only if someone breaks this by replying only to the list, the initial poster won't receive replies starting with that mail anymore. True. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed
Hi Christian, nochmal anders ;-) Am 14.08.2012 19:13, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: The whole point in not messing with the reply-to header is that the message goes to everyone in the message thread. This is what the developers want! They don't want to have to be subscribed (since they already receive enough mail to deal with). They want to be able to send a request for feedback to the list and receive the replies without the need to subscribe first or to check mail-archives. Okay. But, if this is the main point, we currently still miss it. Currently, without header mangling, people normally use the button Reply to List, if there is one. You still have to be subscribed or you need to watch the archive, if you want to track answers to your posting. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Mailing list for attendees of the LibreOffice Conference
Hi, all prospective attendees of the LibreOffice Conference are recommended to subscribe to the mailing list confere...@global.libreoffice.org, which is especially dedicated to the participants. All important announcements will be posted there. You also can get in touch with other attendees via this mailing list. You will find information on how to subscribe to the mailing list here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/#conference Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Am 25.01.2012 17:57, schrieb Florian Effenberger: we just discussed about that in the BoD call, and agreed to only let members vote. Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-) TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-) However, even if not allowed to vote, *all* people who feel themselves as a part of the LibreOffice community can at least post a statement at the mailing list, in order to support their favorite proposal. Right? They can even go out on the street for a demonstration. :-D I love this freedom. :-D Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Am 24.01.2012 14:26, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: I'd still go for letting TDF members vote, why would we have the membership then? :-) Beeing committed to the project does not necessarily mean to be a member of the TDF. The event is supposed to be a LibreOffice Conference rather than a TDF Conference, from what I understand. I find it reasonable to let the people vote to who the event is targetted to. And that´s not only TDF members. :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Am 23.01.2012 08:32, schrieb Florian Effenberger: I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were not able to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a proposal in time. Sounds a bit strange to me. There was enough time for preparing a proposal. I am asking myself, if someone who starts too late, without any buffer time for unexpected difficulties, really qualifies for organising such a big and complex event. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] overall communication guidelines and reply-to mangling
Am 25.11.2011 19:43, schrieb Regina Henschel: I use Seamonkey for emails. All mailing lists I'm described to (and believe me that are a lot) behave in the way that a click on Antwort auf diese Nachricht replies to the list. So keep the documentfoundation.org lists to behave this way too. + 1 The message above was written by Regina. Regina sent it to the mailing list. I didn´t receive it from Regina, but I got it from the mailing list. From my point of view, the mailing list is the sender. When I hit the Reply button, this has to go back to the sender, who sent that to me, which is the mailing list and not Regina. :-) Ergo, please don´t change the behaviour. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vote on forums
Hi, Am 11.11.2011 02:27, schrieb Howard: -1 forums. I get lost in all the threads, they are time consuming( searching through similar threads looking for an answer) With mailing lists I can delete ones I'm not interested in and move on. +1 for mailing lists. This vote is not about forums vs. mailing lists. The vote is about having *own* forums hosted by ourselfs vs. using forums hosted by someone else. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Hi, Am 01.11.2011 05:45, schrieb Marc Paré: If de.openoffice.org is awarded the care of the LibreOffice maintenance of the forums, there will be those who will complain about it as not being a real native LibreOffice forums. If the TDF raises its own forums, then there will those who will complain that communities have been broken and all of the past discussions have been lost. With OpenOffice.org we used to have a number of derivates (that I wouldn´t call a fork) and that made sense for special types of users, for example OOo4Kids. It´s likely that we will see similar derivates from LibreOffice in the future. Wouldn´t it be good to have *one* *common* place for the support of *all* suites, that are somehow related to what evolved from StarOffice? This place does not need to be exclusively labelled LibreOffice. I estimate at least 80% of the topics/questions/answers will still be common for all these products. We need to look at this from the users point of view. The user does not benefit, if the knowledge base is split up and unequally distributed over several places. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
Hi, Am 30.10.2011 23:14, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org. You are talking about the forums formerly hosted by Sun/Oracle, right? There have always been pure community-driven forums at http://openoffice.info/ This site points to Englisch, German, Bosnian, Czech, Dansk, Polish and Portuguese forums. The english forum there is even more populated than the forum, you have been looking at: A total of 369768 articles. 235837 registered users. (At least that´s what the display below the forum is showing.) The german forum has 168152 articles in 36091 topics and 16462 registered members. The german forum explicitely claims to be a place for OpenOffice.org as well as LibreOffice. Maybe some TDF official could talk to the admins and motivate them to integrate LibreOffice branding. TDF/LibO could directly link from their Website to this forum. This would be a good chance not to split the already established support. Regards, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Hi, Am 29.10.2011 10:16, schrieb Olivier R.: Forums administrators and volonteers have always claim to be non-discriminative. They support all versions of the software: LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org, NeoOffice, etc. That´s correct. And that´s why the following is *not* correct: TDF has always favored mailing-lists and seemed to have low respect for forums. It´s not a matter of low respect. It´s just not necessary to mess around and create yet another forum, since there are already well-settled forums, driven by the community, that fully cover LibreOffice. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...
Am 02.10.2011 18:07, schrieb Italo Vignoli: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Bravo! Thanks a lot. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language
Hi, Am 28.05.2011 19:44, schrieb M Henri Day: If the respective helppacks and langpacks can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I fail to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But perhaps I am missing something here ?... As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
Hi, Am 31.03.2011 15:39, schrieb Jaime R. Garza: The name of this Office Suite is: Thinkfree http://www.thinkfree.com/ (1) It does not support the ISO Standard for document file formats, does it? (2) It is proprietary software, isn't? For me, two heavy reasons to disadvise this software. ;-) Stefan :-) -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted*
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
Hi, interesting discussion. Am 31.03.2011 17:32, schrieb Jaime R. Garza: disadvise? Well, I consistently advise to use free software (not freeware!) and open standards. Thinkfree has great compatibility with MS formats (still the defacto-standards) Hm. The fact, that most people are using it, doesn´t make a standard. and runs in all platforms including Android and iOS. A big advantage, no doubt. The advise here is that LO developers should try to focus on making those three 3 apps available as soon as possible for Android iOS. This would mean to recode the whole Software from scratch, I fear. However, as far as I understand, LibreOffice developers are very well aware of the desire of running the suite on mobile devices. It somehow is wishful thinking. ;-) :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted*
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
Hi, Am 29.03.2011 17:12, schrieb aqualung: Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no idea. What about the poeple around the world who sometimes enjoy a Cuba Libre? :-D There are many other languages that would pronounce LibreOffice very similar to the french. But that´s not the point. Before a recommended pronunciation is posted on a web page, agreement on a particular one would have to be reached first. Again, every participant is free to pronounce it the way she/he likes. For me, there is nothing wrong with different pronunciation by people with different native tongue. Of course, since questions about the pronunciation come up, there can be a web page with examples of common and maybe different pronunciations. But that should be examples rather than recommendations or even an official rule, IMO. Regards, Stefan :-) -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
Hi, Am 27.03.2011 08:22, schrieb Samphan Raruenrom: I found this page http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/how-do-you-pronounce-libreoffice/ that link to Google translate to provide the (official?) pronouncement. I don´t think, that this is official in sense of approved by TDF or the TDF community. http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LibreOffice This sounds odd to me, personally. The following sounds almost like the one I am used to: http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LiebreOffice I'm quite surprised with it. I thought it is ˈlɪbə as in liberty orlbr as in http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vers+libre So actually it is ˈliːbreɪ as in http://es.thefreedictionary.com/libre , right? Yes, I would agree. It would be nice if someone could provide an official pronouncement sound file on the LibreOffice website (and phonetic, for the literate). I am not sure, if there is really a need for an official pronunciation. This is a free project. Every participant is free to pronounce it the way she/he likes. For me, there is nothing wrong with different pronunciation by people with different native tongue. IMO, http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/how-do-you-pronounce-libreoffice/ should be changed, in order to express that ther is no wrong or right. :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Calc usability issue (autocorrect of small letter to capital letter)
Hallo Irmhild, Am 08.03.2011 17:55, schrieb Irmhild Rogalla: Am 08.03.2011 16:14, schrieb Kevin André: Calc seems to autocorrect a small letter to a capital letter after a dot character. This is not a bug, it's a feature ;-) But you can stopp it: In Calc choose - Tools - AutoCorrect Options ... Flag(? I don't know, whether it's the right name or not): Options There: remove checkmark at capitalize first letter of every sentence Yes, ok. But one does not want to disable this feature. You only want want to be able to undo the AutoCorrection in single cases. (Just as it is possible in Writer) Gruß Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
Hi, Am 27.01.2011 20:25, schrieb alan c: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? Yes: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hallo Christoph, Am 15.01.2011 13:52, schrieb Christoph Noack: Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 21:34 +0100 schrieb Stefan Weigel: Is this for the international (main) site only? Are we still allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe, as we have done the past weeks? As far as I understand - no changes with regard to the local teams. From Davids answer I read, that local teams should not edit in the main site any more, but this is necessary for creating translations. So, there won´t be translated pages any more. But I think, that´s not a problem, since this feature of the CMS won´t be used any more for other reasons anyway. [other explanations] Stefan, does this help? Yes. Thank you. :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
Hi, Am 14.01.2011 17:34, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org -1 (I just prefer the community one - with volunteer there is a (slight) distinction between community members that are paid by someone, and those who only spend their spare time - at lest in my brain :-))) But anyway, there will be the word volunteer. at the beginning of the mail-address in any case. Wouldn´t that disturb your brain as well? ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hi SC, Am 14.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Andre Schnabel: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 quote # decision: SC appoints a team of 4 people that will be responsible for managing the website for a trial period of two months this team consists of: * David Nelson (for textual content) * Christoph Noack (for user experience) * Ivan Miskovic (for design) * Christian Lohmaier (for infrastructure) /qoute Is this for the international (main) site only? Are we still allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe, as we have done the past weeks? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Adoption and implementation of the Community Bylaws
Hi, Am 11.01.2011 06:30, schrieb David Nelson: I feel it's time to say that OOo was the past, LibreOffice and TDF is our future, and everything started from zero with the TDF launch. Excuse me David, but IMO you are completely wrong. LibreOffice and TDF did not start from zero at all. Please read the mission statement. Please read the manifesto. Please remember that basically the TDF is about the evolution of the OpenOffice.org Community. Please remember that LibreOffice would still be named OpenOffice.org, if there wasn´t a very special legal issue about this name. So yes, we *are* an already existing community with some more and some less experienced or established people. And there are lots of new members, which is very good, of course. Newcomers will have to respect and learn from the long-time members, as well as they can bring in new ideas and fresh viewpoints. As a matter of fact, right now we do have informal structures in our community. Maybe that´s what you observe as three-tier community. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi, Am 10.01.2011 00:51, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast, I think, it was planned to link to those forums from our website. Yes. This has been disussed and explained at length. We do not want to devide the knowledge and experience, that is contained in the few well-proven forums, that have been existing for years. We´d better point to these, rather than establishing yet another forum. That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ However, there is lots of discussion about creating yet another forum. And I fear lots of energy is being put into this. Kind of makes me desperate. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:29, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:21, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, there is lots of discussion about creating yet another forum. And I fear lots of energy is being put into this. Kind of makes me desperate. But given that Nabble is simply an interface onto our own mailing lists, can I assume you don't have anything against a Nabble integration into the libreoffice.org website, under Get Help? Yes, I tend to agree. However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a source of confusion for unexperienced users, who don´t even know, what a mailing list is, if Nabble looks and behaves almost like a forum, but actually is an interface to mailing lists. I don´t know, if this could turn out as an issue. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [libreoffice-website] [Forum] How will the forum be organized?
Hi Micheal, Am 10.01.2011 10:36, schrieb Michael Wheatland: What do others think? Is the forum support option important for trust building and familiarity? What system would we use? IMHO: Do not spend a minute on creating yet another forum, but point to the already existing well-proven forums. We do not want to split up knowledge and experience to several forums. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:53, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:42, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a source of confusion for unexperienced users, who don´t even know, what a mailing list is, if Nabble looks and behaves almost like a forum, but actually is an interface to mailing lists. I don´t know, if this could turn out as an issue. Well, the solution can be to just configure it as read-only interface, for the moment... Plus there can be an explanation on the site about what Nabble actually is and what it provides. Sounds good to me. ;-) Actually that´s nothing very different to the links to ML-archives we usually provide, but possibly a more user friendly interface. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 15:09, schrieb drew: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to open that site, I don't like it, to say you can arbitrarily shut it down because it does not fit with your likings is the type of action that I am here to work against. Please don´t get me wrong! (which could happen, if you quote my statement without its rationale!) Of course anybody has the right to establish a forum for whatever she/he likes. But it is my personal conviction, that opening http://libreofficeforum.org/ as yet another forum, although there were already well-established forums, is no benefit for the project or community. There were discussions about this in October last year, as well as there have been discussions about this today. There´s quite a lot of community members, who basically say the same: There is no need for more and more forums in parallel. What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice websites in parallel? What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice mailing lists in parallel? You have every right to open a website or mailing list about LibreOffice besides the existing one. But does it make sense? Is it good for the project and the community, after all? The same is for forums. Stefan. -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons
Hi, Am 03.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: a little bit of misinformation, Michael, is perhaps your enthusiasm leading to understand things the way you would like them to be :-). At this stage, I don't believe we have any clear plans to move to Drupal; there seems indeed to have been some early misunderstanding, but if you wish the SC will clarify its position (again) . But given that I'm a member of the said SC, it might be useful to you to take my words into account. Micheal, this should not surprise you. I have been telling this for weeks. But maybe, reading this from a SC member, makes the message more creditable ;-). Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Wiki]New wiki page: the user profile
Hi Cor, Am 26.12.2010 00:13, schrieb Cor Nouws: Yes, a category tag is one thing, Another thing is the path, for example wiki.documentfoundation.org/documentation/ or wiki.documentfoundation.org/installation/ or ... AFAIR our wiki guru Manuel Schneider from Wikimedia says, that this is no good way to structure a wiki. The right (and only good?) way to structure a wiki is categories. For example, the big Wikipedia does not use paths with subpages at all. Also the multilingual wiki concept (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki) was developped for wikis without subpages. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Hi, (I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.) Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day, and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing with something that has *test* in its name :) By static site you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By live site you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? Yes? Please, please, please, nobody please replicate the content from the static site on the live site. Again: documentfoundation.org is about TDF libreoffice.org is about the software There sure will be links from one to the other. But both sites have different focus, different target and different content. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*
Am 08.12.2010 10:49, schrieb Harold Fuchs: By static site you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ? By live site you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ? These two links point at the same place. ??? Yes. But only as long as the LibO website did not go public. As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Hallo Thomas, Am 08.12.2010 10:53, schrieb Thomas Hofmann: I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this difficult to setup one? As far as I know, the makers of OOoPortable are already working on a LibOPortable. http://portableapps.com/node/25074 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hallo Sebastian, Am 06.12.2010 12:21, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ BTW, any chance to sqitch to to that very soon? It shouldn't hard to replicate the static content that we have there right now and it would modifying/improving the content so much easier... As far as I understand, the LibreOffice website and its download script will not go public unless there is a minimum of reasonable content and user friendly structure. However, there seems to be only little progress since weeks. (There is no one to blame for that, since all are volunteers.) When I introduced the the script for download selection seven weeks ago it was meant as a mock-up only. However, since the final version of the website seems to take more time, it could be a reasonable idea to integrate the provisional script here meanwhile: http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ However, I do not have access to this webspace. I beleive the people, who do have access, are aware of the script. I have been told that my script causes too much server load (which I can´t prove or disprove), which may be a reason for not considering the integration of this script. Stefan. -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hi, Am 06.12.2010 12:21, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:52:25 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Try the other download page http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ BTW, any chance to sqitch to to that very soon? It shouldn't hard to replicate the static content that we have there right now and it would modifying/improving the content so much easier... Well, someone just changed http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ and made downloading again very inconvenient. The convenient script can still be found here http://s132649167.online.de/LibO_test/sw_download.php Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hallo Freidrich, Am 06.12.2010 21:59, schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Hi Stefan, *, Stefan Weigel schrieb: Am 06.12.2010 12:21, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:52:25 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Try the other download page http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ I get: Page not found Sorry, it seems you were trying to access a page that doesn't exist. Well, it *did* exist. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hallo Christian, Am 07.12.2010 01:54, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: told that my script causes too much server load (which I can´t prove or disprove), No, you misunderstood/misinterpreted. I was telling that I want a solution that can be served statically, in a cached copy. A pure php-server-based solution doesn't do that. Ah ok. Sorry, I do not understand too much of this technical stuff. Isn´t caching a method to reduce the load? And generally, is caching really so important? Aren´t there trillions of pure php-server-based solutions out in the web? which may be a reason for not considering the integration of this script. Well, I'm kind of disappointed to read that, since you're well aware that I implemented a download-selector page modeled after your proposal on the silverstripe test-install at pumbaa already Hm? I am talking about my idea of temporarily integrating my script on http://www.documentfoundation.org, not the CMS. And I am thinking of possible reasons, why this might be a bad idea. And this makes you disappointed? :-/ :-) ;-) I just didn't find the time to put it up on the real site until now. Time of volunteers is one of our main problems. I already mentioned in the posting you are answering to: There is no one to blame for that, since all are volunteers. So, thanks a lot for spending some time last night! :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Content of Beta3 Windows Install-Packages
Hi plino, Am 23.11.2010 15:41, schrieb plino: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n1953706/LO_multi.png http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n1953706/LO_all_lang.png Thanks! The BrOffice is the same installer with a different name because the name OpenOffice was already copyrighted by another company in Brasil. Therefore OpenOffice is called BrOffice in Brasil. I know. Currently this probably doesn't make any sense for LibreOffice because this problem does not apply to LibreOffice... Ah. I was wondering if there was any sense, that I didn´t see. :-D Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi, Am 20.11.2010 15:51, schrieb Craig A. Eddy: there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with which to install them. When dealing with 52 .deb files it's like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle where all distinguishing marks have been filed off. It would be much easier if there were a single meta-package that would act as the start point. Failing that, at least an ordered list that an individual could refer to. I can not confirm your problem. dpgk -i *.deb does the job for me without trouble. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: About Cacert SSL certificates (was: Feature request for 3.3 still possible?)
Hi drew, There is a niffty download js widgetnice! drew Thanks. It is still to be improved, though. Hopefully, I can work on it, when I return home next week. (Had to look up nifty in a dictionary first. LOL) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Pretty up your name in the wiki stats
Hi Sebastian, Am 03.11.2010 10:49, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: http://libreoffice.org/credits.html contains contributions to the TDF wiki. However it is only able to retrieve the wiki usernames. If you want to see you own full name there, you can enter it on this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers Rather than maintaining this additional page, that needs to be updated by hand, I would suggest to create hyperlinks behind the names of the wiki users in http://libreoffice.org/credits.html For example JamesWalker -- http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:JamesWalker What do you think? Stefan -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Version numbering of LibO
Hi, Am 03.11.2010 14:54, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Hi, Top posting from my phone... This is not an easy answer to give. Both strategies have pros and cons. My advice would be to start where we are but alter the numbering scheme wildly: 3.3, 3.5 and then 4.0 instead of 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5 like OOo. Ever considered a ubuntu-like numbering? (My personal favorite) 10.10 (October 2010) 11.04 (April 2011) Stefan -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
Hallo André, André Schnabel schrieb: For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and the word Membership in the subject. I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion, Very little response so far. My personal reason why I didn´t respond: 100% accordance. ;-) Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Hi, James Wilde schrieb: There is also a forum. How I'm going to find that there is a libreofficeforum.org I don't know. Maybe it's referenced somewhere. I think there was a link on the Contribute page, alongside the link to 'some lists'. However, the forum address should be forum.libreoffice.org, so that one can get there from libreoffice.org, via a link at the top, saying Forum. Well, there have been doubts, if it makes sense to open yet another forum, since the existing forums are all community driven and support OOo and all of its derivates as well. Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Hi, Chris Carpenter schrieb: Well, there have been doubts, if it makes sense to open yet another forum, since the existing forums are all community driven and support OOo and all of its derivates as well. In this case, shouldn't there be links to these other forums? Sure. But I think, this is work in progress, as it is for linking to documentation and any other form of user support. Generally, I assume the whole website thing is a temporary solution and some people are working intensively on a CMS solution. Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Hi, Paul A Norman schrieb: Please, James is right I didn´t say he´s wrong. Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning
Hello Sam, Sam schrieb: Hmmm, I kind of think that there is a need for different forums. LibreOffice and OpenOffice are two different projects That´s not what I understand. LibreOffice is the further development of OpenOffice.org. It´s not a different project. Except Oracle, it´s the same people. looks great, but there are more advertisements than contents I hope you're exaggerating about the ads! The statement about the ratio of content and ads is not from me. It´s from jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Sorry, but the hard truth of the matter is that community forums for large projects are very expensive. As a proof of the contrary http://de.openoffice.info is free of ads. (3) Why force forum users to sign up and create an account? At least http://de.openoffice.org has been running for many years without the need for users to sign up. AFAIK there is no bad experience about that. I tried this for a long time on one forum, but allowing posts without registration just leads to nonstop spam. As a proof of the contrary http://de.openoffice.info does not require user registration. Spam is avoided by CAPTCHA. Please don´t get me wrong: I do not condemn the offer of yet another forum. I am sure, this is meant as a support for the development of our community, which we are witnessing right now. But I doubt that it´s needed and that it´s worth the effort, since there is good experience with the existing. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO Quickstarter for GNOME?
AG schrieb: I'm using Ubuntu 10.04. When I first installed LibO, I saw the Quickstarter in the upper panel (system tray), on the right-hand side near the other notifications and the shutdown icon. Now it's not there any more! And yes, I do have it enabled in Tools Options Memory. With OOo that option was available, as you note, under Tools Options Memory. However, with LibO that isn't even an option at present so there is no little check box to tick to enable it. Strange, because I do have this Option under Tools | Options | Memory. LibreOffice 3.3.0 OOO330m7 (Build:9526) libreoffice-build 3.2.99.0 Stefan -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO Quickstarter for GNOME?
Hi, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: I'm using Ubuntu 10.04. When I first installed LibO, I saw the Quickstarter in the upper panel (system tray), on the right-hand side near the other notifications and the shutdown icon. Now it's not there any more! And yes, I do have it enabled in Tools Options Memory. Same environment and eaxactly same situation here. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
