Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2011-01-05 Thread Anton Meixome
Hi Sophie
is there some news about Dicollect with Olivier?


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[tdf-discuss] Where can i reports bugs that i've found while using LibreOffice RC2

2011-01-05 Thread amine amine
Salam,


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-05 Thread M . Commandeur
Reaction to Italo Vignoli on 3 Jan 10:28

A few reasons to leave writing to OOXML disabled:

1) Nowhere I read a valuable argument to enable writing OOXML, just than adding
a feature. (If an option isn't usefull leave it!)

2) Writing in another than native (so ODF) format will give losses.
This will decrease the general quality of documents.

3) For MSO users writing to .doc (etc.) is much more usefull, thus sufficient.
MSO users, who are not willing to use .doc or wanting more fidelity, are for
certain able to import ISO-ODF.

4) Writing to OOXML-transitional will decrease the use of real standards like
ISO-ODF.

None of my arguments are offending Microsoft, although I am not their fan.

So don't add chaos, go for standards, believe in it and spread ODF!


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[tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Axel Reimer
Hello,

I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.

Reproduction:
1. Create a new Impress Presentation
2. Draw a rectangle.
3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
4. Choose gradients
5. For type select axial
6. For angle select 90 degrees.
7. Click ok.
8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be
incorrect.

Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2.

Can anyone reproduce this bug with the same or a different operating
system?

I remember that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago)
but it was fixed.

Best regards,
Axel






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2011-01-05 Thread sophie

Hi Anton,
On 05/01/2011 13:09, Anton Meixome wrote:

Hi Sophie
is there some news about Dicollect with Olivier?

Yes, he has no time to come on the list right now, but will do later.
So I'll resume the current situation.
- the code has been removed because he didn't have the time to fix the 
bugs that was reported/will be reported or enhance it,

- he is not very happy with the current state and would like to enhance it
- the  update management system is far from being perfect. He needs to 
work on the code to give a more qualitative follow up, it's a big part 
that needs quiet some work
- the other possibility would be to host some other projects on 
Dicollecte servers (like Latvian is hosted currently but it's an old 
code version they are using) but that will ask Olivier to spend even 
morte time in code enhancement and admin services.


In short, for the moment he want to finish what he has begin for the 
French, he is currently working on a grammar corrector.
He didn't make the presentation at OOoCon (my mistake sorry) he fell 
hill but the presentation is here 
http://www.dicollecte.org/_misc/dicollecte_ooocon2009.pdf
The UI has changed a bit since and there has been some enhancements that 
gives an idea of what is possible.


So as for now, Olivier don't have the time to work on it but he will 
come back when he can show the code again, may be in some months. But he 
will give you more details when he will come to the list.


kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Jaime R. Garza
I tried it on Linux Mint 10 with LO 3.3 RC2, the color is fine, just the
gradient is different.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 14:58, Axel Reimer lopar...@fpgas.de wrote:

 Hello,

 I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.

 Reproduction:
 1. Create a new Impress Presentation
 2. Draw a rectangle.
 3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
 4. Choose gradients
 5. For type select axial
 6. For angle select 90 degrees.
 7. Click ok.
 8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
 9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be
 incorrect.

 Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2.

 Can anyone reproduce this bug with the same or a different operating
 system?

 I remember that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago)
 but it was fixed.

 Best regards,
 Axel






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Christophe Strobbe

Hi Axel,

At 14:58 5/01/2011, Axel Reimer wrote:

Hello, I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.
Reproduction:
1. Create a new Impress Presentation
2. Draw a rectangle.
3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
4. Choose gradients
5. For type select axial
6. For angle select 90 degrees.
7. Click ok.
8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be 
incorrect.


Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2. Can anyone reproduce 
this bug with the same or a different operating system? I remember 
that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago) but it was fixed.


I tried to reproduce the bug in Windows XP SP 3 (UK English edition) 
with LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m17 (Build: 3).
The colour is still the same but the gradient appears as linear 
instead of axial. Is that what you meant?


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe


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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice version for Android platform

2011-01-05 Thread janove
Hi,

I'm afraid to see that I can't find open office for a netbook with Android OS.

On Internet, I didn't find information about a LibreOffice version for Android 
platform.

May be someone can tell me if there is a status about this question, is there a 
study ?

Thanks,

Jan-Ove

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice version for Android platform

2011-01-05 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-05 10:09 AM, jan...@free.fr wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm afraid to see that I can't find open office for a netbook with Android OS.

 On Internet, I didn't find information about a LibreOffice version for 
 Android platform.

 May be someone can tell me if there is a status about this question, is there 
 a study ?

 Thanks,

 Jan-Ove

Interesting question. Would you consider joining Ask LibreOffice at
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ and asking it there too for wider exposure ?

As far as I know there are only two *viewers* supporting the ODF format:

ODF viewer: http://www.appbrain.com/app/odf-viewer/com.olidroide
OpenOffice Document Reader:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/openoffice-document-reader/at.tomtasche.reader

The above links are only for convenient installation. You can find the
respective official websites here:
http://forja.cenatic.es/projects/visorodfmovil
http://tomtasche.at/p/OpenOffice Document Reader

If anyone has other Android resources about ODF support for it in
general, I'd love to hear about them.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Where can i reports bugs that i've found while using LibreOffice RC2

2011-01-05 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-05 06:30 AM, Nino Novak wrote:
 On Wednesday 05 January 2011 12:19, amine amine wrote:
 Salam,
 Amine,

 have a look at this:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

 Regards,
 Nino

I've just updated and augmented the information at that link.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have 
one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might 
opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client


On 1/5/11 3:22 PM, Christophe Strobbe wrote:


At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below 
somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook?


I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; 
it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org 
to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also 
contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist 
elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect 
Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of 
Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia 
entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 
2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.)


Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users 
expect an e-mail cient in an office suite.
So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail 
clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to 
another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice 
download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites 
and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were 
integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to 
exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface 
with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary 
APIs).


I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I 
don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources.


Best regards,

Christophe



On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an 
equivalent

program such as outlook.
Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, 
so...



There are one of three ways it can be done.

1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and 
integrate it

into the LO suite

Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on
*nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but
there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on
the stablest of systems (otherwise)...


2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena.

Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect
by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the
moment, at least that I am aware of...

the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download 
size, which

would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth.

Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big...






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have 
 one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might 
 opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client

Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part
of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution
DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the
LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is
at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that
package.)

Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where
members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could
be recreated in English.

For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other
groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference
these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as
auxiliary projects.

Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it
does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up.

Thanks

Drew



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

What about bundling it with the downloadable installer?

On 1/5/11 5:32 PM, drew wrote:

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have
one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might
opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client

Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part
of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution
DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the
LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is
at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that
package.)

Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where
members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could
be recreated in English.

For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other
groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference
these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as
auxiliary projects.

Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it
does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up.

Thanks

Drew






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread todd rme
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have
 one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might
 opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client

 Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you define it being part
 of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox, which is the distribution
 DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of whom are also part of the
 LibreOffice team the disc includes Thunderbird - so at one level it is
 at least bundled together . (They also include SeaMonkey in that
 package.)

 Now there is no English version of that DVD, which I propose is where
 members of the English speaking community could get involved - it could
 be recreated in English.

 For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD project as a reference, other
 groups could form to create alternate bundles. Following the reference
 these groups need not be formal projects in TDF but could form as
 auxiliary projects.

 Anyway - it just seems to me that when this conversation comes up, as it
 does from time to time, that this approach never is brought up.

 Thanks

 Drew

Rather than having other groups providing bundles, what about an
alliance of a few groups that provide a single, comprehensive
installer?  For instance perhaps LibreOffice, Mozzila, Gimp, and
Inkscape come together and release one installer with all those apps
bundled in.  It would be any single group or member responsible,
instead an agreement between the groups to release it.  Then on the
respective websites they could release their own app, as well as the
bundle for those who want it.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making 
a bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package 
management GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically 
in the search put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to 
appear in front and then just click and install that way.


Would love to hear some feed back from some of the big time devs on this 
project about doing this.


On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote:

I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly
well within it...

Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the
installer the option be provided to download and install one.
For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users could expand to
show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then download the _latest_
Thunderbird release, and start its installer.
That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the time the installer
runs; but would save on the download space for everyone. It would also enable
the installer to select the right locale installer for Thunderbird too (if
necessary). The same could be done for Firefox/Opera/etc.

Additionally, this approach would allow the installer to present several choices
- e.g. Firefox vs. Opera; Thunderbird vs. Evolution.

Now, taking that line of thinking - a separate project[1] to enable users to get
OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer would
probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that would enable them
to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that was desired, and it could
be provided as part of the installer package.

$0.02

Ben

[1] I wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be another TDF
project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best
organization to handle it.)



- Original Message 

From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

Funny you mention it i just replied with a similar response about
bundling  said software as part of the downloadable installer.

On 1/5/11 5:39 PM,  Todd rme wrote:

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drewd...@baseanswers.comwrote:

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:

If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will  need to have
one, and we could give them the option to install  one. A home user might
opt out of installing it if they don't  want an email client

Right - well, it depends to a degree on how you  define it being part
of the suite - in the case of LibreOfficeBox,  which is the distribution
DVD created by the OOoDev team, most of  whom are also part of the
LibreOffice team the disc includes  Thunderbird - so at one level it is
at least bundled together .  (They also include SeaMonkey in that
  package.)

Now there is no English version of that DVD,  which I propose is where
members of the English speaking community  could get involved - it could
be recreated in  English.

For that matter, using the LibreOfficeDVD  project as a reference, other
groups could form to create alternate  bundles. Following the reference
these groups need not be formal  projects in TDF but could form as
auxiliary  projects.

Anyway - it just seems to me that when this  conversation comes up, as it
does from time to time, that this  approach never is brought up.

  Thanks

Drew

Rather than having other groups  providing bundles, what about an
alliance of a few groups that provide a  single, comprehensive
installer?  For instance perhaps LibreOffice,  Mozzila, Gimp, and
Inkscape come together and release one installer with  all those apps
bundled in.  It would be any single group or member  responsible,
instead an agreement between the groups to release  it.  Then on the
respective websites they could release their own  app, as well as the
bundle for those who want it.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:33 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away 
 at Microsoft's majority market share? 

it's not my goal - or at least it is not the goal - I would prefer to
work on delivering a very good tool to the user base. I would like to
expand the idea of openness and I am most certainly hoping to act in
some small way as a counter balance to the big-corporate culture.

Eating away at MSO market share is a side-effect really. I would like to
embrace MSO, to welcome there still feeble steps into the open source
model and to most certainly hold their feet to the fire when it comes to
using recognized standards.





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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread BRM
I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac.
Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some 
(e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all.
And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac 
as 
a runner up.
I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform.

But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of - 
whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like 
FreeDesktop.org.

Ben



- Original Message 
 From: Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com
 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
 
 One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making 
 a  bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package 
 management  GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically 
 in the search  put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to 
 appear in front and  then just click and install that way.
 
 Would love to hear some feed back  from some of the big time devs on this 
 project about doing this.
 
 On  1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote:
  I was about to suggest something along a  similar line, and that fits 
perfectly
  well within it...
 
   Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of 
   
the
  installer the option be provided to download and install  one.
  For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users  could 
expand to
  show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then  download the _latest_
  Thunderbird release, and start its  installer.
  That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the  time the 
installer
  runs; but would save on the download space for  everyone. It would also 
enable
  the installer to select the right locale  installer for Thunderbird too (if
  necessary). The same could be done for  Firefox/Opera/etc.
 
  Additionally, this approach would allow the  installer to present several 
choices
  - e.g. Firefox vs. Opera;  Thunderbird vs. Evolution.
 
  Now, taking that line of thinking - a  separate project[1] to enable users 
  to 
get
   OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer  
would
  probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that  would enable 
them
  to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that  was desired, and it 
could
  be provided as part of the installer  package.
 
  $0.02
 
  Ben
 
  [1] I  wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be 
  another  
TDF
  project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best
   organization to handle it.)
 
 
 
  - Original  Message 
  From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com
   To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
   Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss]  Co-working with Moz, etc
 
  Funny you mention it i just  replied with a similar response about
  bundling  said software  as part of the downloadable installer.
 
  On 1/5/11 5:39  PM,  Todd rme wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM,  drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan  Aquilina  wrote:
  If we are looking to promote this  to corporations it will  need to have
  one, and we  could give them the option to install  one. A home user  
might
  opt out of installing it if they don't  want  an email client
  Right - well, it depends to a degree on how  you  define it being part
  of the suite - in the case  of LibreOfficeBox,  which is the distribution
  DVD  created by the OOoDev team, most of  whom are also part of  the
  LibreOffice team the disc includes  Thunderbird -  so at one level it is
  at least bundled together .   (They also include SeaMonkey in that
 package.)
 
  Now there is no English  version of that DVD,  which I propose is where
  members  of the English speaking community  could get involved - it  
could
  be recreated in   English.
 
  For that matter, using the  LibreOfficeDVD  project as a reference, other
  groups  could form to create alternate  bundles. Following the  
reference
  these groups need not be formal  projects in  TDF but could form as
  auxiliary   projects.
 
  Anyway - it just seems to me  that when this  conversation comes up, as 
it
  does from  time to time, that this  approach never is brought  up.
 
 Thanks
 
  Drew
  Rather than  having other groups  providing bundles, what about an
   alliance of a few groups that provide a  single,  comprehensive
  installer?  For instance perhaps  LibreOffice,  Mozzila, Gimp, and
  Inkscape come together and  release one installer with  all those apps
  bundled  in.  It would be any single group or member   responsible,
  instead an agreement between the groups to  release  it.  Then on the
  respective websites they  could release their own  app, as well as the
  bundle 

Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Axel Reimer
Hello,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 15:39 +0100 schrieb Christophe Strobbe:
 Hi Axel,
 
 At 14:58 5/01/2011, Axel Reimer wrote:
 Hello, I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.
 Reproduction:
 1. Create a new Impress Presentation
 2. Draw a rectangle.
 3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
 4. Choose gradients
 5. For type select axial
 6. For angle select 90 degrees.
 7. Click ok.
 8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
 9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be 
 incorrect.
 
 Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2. Can anyone reproduce 
 this bug with the same or a different operating system? I remember 
 that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago) but it was fixed.
 
 I tried to reproduce the bug in Windows XP SP 3 (UK English edition) 
 with LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m17 (Build: 3).
 The colour is still the same but the gradient appears as linear 
 instead of axial. Is that what you meant?
 

I am sorry - that was exactly what I meant. Do you know if this bug is
known?

Best regards,
Axel


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dictionary Syncing

2011-01-05 Thread Anton Meixome
2011/1/5 sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com:
 Hi Anton,
 On 05/01/2011 13:09, Anton Meixome wrote:

 Hi Sophie
 is there some news about Dicollect with Olivier?

 Yes, he has no time to come on the list right now, but will do later.
 So I'll resume the current situation.
 - the code has been removed because he didn't have the time to fix the bugs
 that was reported/will be reported or enhance it,
 - he is not very happy with the current state and would like to enhance it
 - the  update management system is far from being perfect. He needs to work
 on the code to give a more qualitative follow up, it's a big part that needs
 quiet some work
 - the other possibility would be to host some other projects on Dicollecte
 servers (like Latvian is hosted currently but it's an old code version they
 are using) but that will ask Olivier to spend even morte time in code
 enhancement and admin services.

 In short, for the moment he want to finish what he has begin for the French,
 he is currently working on a grammar corrector.
 He didn't make the presentation at OOoCon (my mistake sorry) he fell hill
 but the presentation is here
 http://www.dicollecte.org/_misc/dicollecte_ooocon2009.pdf
 The UI has changed a bit since and there has been some enhancements that
 gives an idea of what is possible.

 So as for now, Olivier don't have the time to work on it but he will come
 back when he can show the code again, may be in some months. But he will
 give you more details when he will come to the list.

 kind regards
 Sophie


Thanks, I understand the current situation and I can't help him but I
will stay tuned
;-)



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Axel,

Axel Reimer schrieb:

Hello,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 15:39 +0100 schrieb Christophe Strobbe:

Hi Axel,

At 14:58 5/01/2011, Axel Reimer wrote:

Hello, I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.
Reproduction:
1. Create a new Impress Presentation
2. Draw a rectangle.
3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
4. Choose gradients
5. For type select axial
6. For angle select 90 degrees.
7. Click ok.
8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be
incorrect.

Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2. Can anyone reproduce
this bug with the same or a different operating system? I remember
that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago) but it was fixed.


I tried to reproduce the bug in Windows XP SP 3 (UK English edition)
with LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m17 (Build: 3).
The colour is still the same but the gradient appears as linear
instead of axial. Is that what you meant?



I am sorry - that was exactly what I meant. Do you know if this bug is
known?


I cannot find any issue, neither for LibreOffice nor in OOo 
Issuetracker. The error is independent of the rotation. It has been 
introduced from DEV300m76 to DEV300m77 and is in OOo33RC8 too. It seems 
that the border is not added symmetrically.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Axel,

I have written
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116318

BTW: How to handle issues, which are not specific to LibreOffice? I 
don't like writing issues twice.


Kind regards
Regina


Axel Reimer schrieb:

Hello,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 15:39 +0100 schrieb Christophe Strobbe:

Hi Axel,

At 14:58 5/01/2011, Axel Reimer wrote:

Hello, I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug.
Reproduction:
1. Create a new Impress Presentation
2. Draw a rectangle.
3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area.
4. Choose gradients
5. For type select axial
6. For angle select 90 degrees.
7. Click ok.
8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly.
9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be
incorrect.

Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2. Can anyone reproduce
this bug with the same or a different operating system? I remember
that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago) but it was fixed.


I tried to reproduce the bug in Windows XP SP 3 (UK English edition)
with LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m17 (Build: 3).
The colour is still the same but the gradient appears as linear
instead of axial. Is that what you meant?



I am sorry - that was exactly what I meant. Do you know if this bug is
known?

Best regards,
Axel





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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I would be interested in heading something like this up as I am a mac 
user as well as win and lin


On 1/5/11 8:02 PM, BRM wrote:

I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac.
Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some
(e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all.
And honestly, the only place this is really a problem is on Windows, with Mac as
a runner up.
I'm pretty sure there isn't an issue on any other platform.

But as I said - it's really a project for another entity to take control of -
whether another project managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like
FreeDesktop.org.

Ben



- Original Message 

From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making
a  bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package
management  GUI pop up of that particular distro and will automatically
in the search  put in Thunderbird for instance and will allow it to
appear in front and  then just click and install that way.

Would love to hear some feed back  from some of the big time devs on this
project about doing this.

On  1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote:

I was about to suggest something along a  similar line, and that fits

perfectly

well within it...

  Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of

the

installer the option be provided to download and install  one.
For instance, the installer could list an Email line which users  could

expand to

show Thunderbird, selecting Thunderbird would then  download the _latest_
Thunderbird release, and start its  installer.
That would, of course, require an Internet connection at the  time the

installer

runs; but would save on the download space for  everyone. It would also

enable

the installer to select the right locale  installer for Thunderbird too (if
necessary). The same could be done for  Firefox/Opera/etc.

Additionally, this approach would allow the  installer to present several

choices

- e.g. Firefox vs. Opera;  Thunderbird vs. Evolution.

Now, taking that line of thinking - a  separate project[1] to enable users to

get

  OO/LO/Calligra/Thunderbird/Evolution/Firefox/etc via a single installer

would

probably be a great thing; and further having _plug-ins_ that  would enable

them

to inter-operate would also be a great thing if that  was desired, and it

could

be provided as part of the installer  package.

$0.02

Ben

[1] I  wouldn't make such an installer part of LO officially. May be another

TDF

project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best
  organization to handle it.)



- Original  Message 

From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com
  To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
  Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss]  Co-working with Moz, etc

Funny you mention it i just  replied with a similar response about
bundling  said software  as part of the downloadable installer.

On 1/5/11 5:39  PM,  Todd rme wrote:

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM,  drewd...@baseanswers.com  wrote:

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan  Aquilina  wrote:

If we are looking to promote this  to corporations it will  need to have
one, and we  could give them the option to install  one. A home user

might

opt out of installing it if they don't  want  an email client

Right - well, it depends to a degree on how  you  define it being part
of the suite - in the case  of LibreOfficeBox,  which is the distribution
DVD  created by the OOoDev team, most of  whom are also part of  the
LibreOffice team the disc includes  Thunderbird -  so at one level it is
at least bundled together .   (They also include SeaMonkey in that
package.)

Now there is no English  version of that DVD,  which I propose is where
members  of the English speaking community  could get involved - it

could

be recreated in   English.

For that matter, using the  LibreOfficeDVD  project as a reference, other
groups  could form to create alternate  bundles. Following the

reference

these groups need not be formal  projects in  TDF but could form as
auxiliary   projects.

Anyway - it just seems to me  that when this  conversation comes up, as

it

does from  time to time, that this  approach never is brought  up.

Thanks

Drew

Rather than  having other groups  providing bundles, what about an
  alliance of a few groups that provide a  single,  comprehensive
installer?  For instance perhaps  LibreOffice,  Mozzila, Gimp, and
Inkscape come together and  release one installer with  all those apps
bundled  in.  It would be any single group or member   responsible,
instead an agreement between the groups to  release  it.  Then on the
respective websites they  could release their own  app, as well as the
bundle for  those who 

Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi Regina,

2011/1/5 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de:
 I have written
 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116318

 BTW: How to handle issues, which are not specific to LibreOffice? I don't
 like writing issues twice.

I think this has to be done from the point when we are leaving the
OOo-Codeline behind us.
At the moment you should watch the issue if it can become a blocker
for the OOo release. If not, it might be necessary to fix it in LO
separately.

Bye

Volker

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-05 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 10:52 -0800, Carl Symons wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Olivier Hallot
 olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
 snip
 
 

 
 I clicked on the list of events link on
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/. There are several events listed
 for North America. Would TDF consider being at LinuxFest Northwest in
 Bellingham, 4/30  5/1? There will be an official call for papers in
 early January, but people can register at www.linuxfestnorthwest.org.
 LFNW is a true open source expo, free admission, completely run by
 volunteers...one of the longest running Fests in the US.
 
 If there are LibOers in the Pacific NW, please contact me off-list if
 you'd like to help put together a LibreOffice track. We are looking
 for presentations for people who are new to FOSS.
 
Hi Carl

Sorry for a few days delay here - Indeed the event was added to the 
wiki and there is a potential volunteer for staffing a booth at the fest.

As Italo mentioned this has been discussed in the last couple of days
over on the US-Marketing list. Looking at what resources can be put
together for the booth.

If you can get a track together that would be great, or if you can help
in the booth or finding others to help in the booth, also wonderful. 

- I went ahead and sent this to your direct email feel free to contact
me direct, but it would be better to coordinate things on the list,
primarily. There are other US specific subjects that I would really like
to get peoples input on, so it would be really nice to see you join us
there.

Thanks much,

Drew



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)

2011-01-05 Thread Nguyen Vu Hung
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Axel Reimer lopar...@fpgas.de wrote:
 I tried to reproduce the bug in Windows XP SP 3 (UK English edition)
 with LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m17 (Build: 3).
 The colour is still the same but the gradient appears as linear
 instead of axial. Is that what you meant?


 I am sorry - that was exactly what I meant. Do you know if this bug is
 known?

You should include a screenshot illustrating the bug

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice version for Android platform

2011-01-05 Thread Nguyen Vu Hung
2011/1/6 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org:
 I am told the OpenOffice Document Reader version in F-Droid is built
 from source and more recent:
 http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=at.tomtasche.reader

It seems that at.tomtasche.reader is a frontend of jOpenDocument (GPL'ed)

# http://www.jopendocument.org/, written in Java of course.

quote
jOpenDocument is a free library for developers looking to use Open
Document files without OpenOffice.org.
/quote

that says, jOpenDocument is not OOo nor LibO.

# This may sound stupid...
I am not sure if we can make, for example, a ODF file viewer using
pure UNO on Android?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jaime R. Garza
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than
anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it
would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As
I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be
installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the
individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet),
Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar).

Cheers!

Jaime R. Garza

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe 
christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote:


 At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

 What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below
 somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook?


 I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not
 a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another
 user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook
 alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird.
 (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and
 Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as
 I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client.
 Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.)

 Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect
 an e-mail cient in an office suite.
 So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail
 clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to
 another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download,
 but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail -
 may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the
 LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the
 installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client
 (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs).

 I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't
 consider it a good way to use TDF community resources.

 Best regards,

 Christophe



  On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:

 On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

 Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent
 program such as outlook.

 Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so...

  There are one of three ways it can be done.

 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate
 it
 into the LO suite

 Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on
 *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but
 there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on
 the stablest of systems (otherwise)...

  2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena.

 Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect
 by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the
 moment, at least that I am aware of...

  the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size,
 which
 would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth.

 Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big...



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

I agree with you totally here Jaime.

On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote:

I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than
anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it
would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As
I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be
installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the
individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet),
Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar).

Cheers!

Jaime R. Garza

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe
christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be  wrote:


At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:


What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below
somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook?


I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not
a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another
user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook
alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird.
(I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and
Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as
I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client.
Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.)

Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect
an e-mail cient in an office suite.
So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail
clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to
another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download,
but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail -
may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the
LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the
installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client
(assuming that it implements the necessary APIs).

I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't
consider it a good way to use TDF community resources.

Best regards,

Christophe



  On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:


Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent
program such as outlook.


Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so...

  There are one of three ways it can be done.

1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate
it
into the LO suite


Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on
*nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but
there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on
the stablest of systems (otherwise)...

  2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena.
Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect
by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the
moment, at least that I am aware of...

  the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size,

which
would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth.


Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big...


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