[tdf-discuss] Running for a BoD-Seat at the TDF

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

I'll announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat at The Document 
Foundation

Who am I?

I'm  Andreas Mantke, 52 years old, maried and father of two boys. I live in 
Duisburg, 
North-Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. I work for a social security institution 
called 
Deutsche Rentenversicherung Rheinland in Düsseldorf. I'm there an office-worker 
and 
had to deal with rules and regulations. Thus I'm very familiar with the German 
law.

I worked since autumn 2002 for the community of OpenOffice.org. I was there 
responsible for the documentation inside the German speaking lang-project for a 
long 
time and started the work on OpenOffice.org Portable there. I wrote also some 
documentation myself, that were published on ther projects website.
I worked with the OOo-extensions-site-project since it's beginning and upgraded 
the 
OOoAuthors-Site to a new Plone environment. I gave also some presentations 
about 
OpenOffice.org (Portable) at conferences and other events and run some bothes 
together with other project members. I'm with TDF and LibreOffice since it's 
announcement.

I'm one of the founders of the German association Freies Office Deutschland 
e.V., but 
I have no special role there.


What have I done for TDF / LibreOffice?

I continued my work with presentations and running both together with other 
project 
members. Thus we had a both at the Open Rhein Ruhr in Oberhausen and at the 
Cebit in 
Hannover. I set up a new environment for the former OOoAuthors-team (now 
ODFAuthors) 
and the German speaking documentation team. I did also some Easy Hacks on the 
LibreOffice code base (especially translation of comments).
Currently I'm working on the new LibreOffice extensions and template repository 
and 
cooperate there with the Plone community.

Why do I candidate for a seat in BoD?

I'm very convinced that we need an open source and free software office suite 
and 
that this development should be done under the hat of our own independent 
meritocratic organisation. Thus I'm supporting The Document Foundation from is 
announcement.  If I'll be a member of the board, I'll work together with the 
other 
board members to shape and grow up the foundation. I think that I could also 
help 
with the paperwork, especially in relation to German authorities, because I 
have some 
experience with this from my daily job and know the German language well ;-).

If you have questions, please ask.

Cheers,
Andreas
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Re: [steering-discuss] renaming this list

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 20:10:41 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
>(...)
> orboard-discuss

+1

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi Italo,

Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2011, 19:08:20 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> On 11/3/11 5:36 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > 9pm your time is 10pm my time, which means I would be on the phone until
> > 11pm or even 1130pm. This is, at least for me, simply too late during
> > the week. I guess that affects many people who have to get up early, but
> > I'm of course open to other opinions here.
> 
> Can you re-post the Doodle link? Thanks.

http://www.doodle.com/rqay5h7syg45by9x#table

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi Jesus,

Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius:
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger
> 
>  wrote:
(...)
> > I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you seem to have a
> > different opinion now, since the BoD has voted on this during the last
> > call. ;-)
> 
> I am just open to discussions ;) But I was just talking to this
> particular case, we need to define this for the future.
> 

If this is talking about the future, I wonder, why you jump into this thread.

We had a public discussion and decision of the BoD already. If there are no 
unknown 
facts or new arguments, we should not discuss and decide again (and again).

(...)
> A possible solution would be:
> 
> 1. Invite all the TDF members to vote by default.
> 2. If you are not a member of the TDF but you also want to vote, send
> a message to someone (Florian maybe? :P) and you will be invited.

Point 2 would be a nice job ;-(
Maybe we will also hear some complaints, if someone missed to send a mail in 
time.

I think we should invite every contributor to apply for a membership status and 
then 
he / she could vote for the venue of the conferences 2013 and later. It would 
be good 
to increase our member base.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi Christian, *,

Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2012, 15:28:07 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> Hi Andreas, *,
> 
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Andreas Mantke  wrote:

(...)

> > We had a public discussion and decision of the BoD already. If there are
> > no unknown facts or new arguments, we should not discuss and decide
> > again (and again).
> 
> I admit that I didn't follow the meeting, did not read the minutes,
> but what Jesús did propose would make a nice compromise, wouldn't it
> (not suggesting that it should be used for this year's voting, but to
> consider for the next round)
> 

We can discuss that for the next round; maybe there are better solutions / 
proposals.

My question is only, why we open up the discussion now (and not after the 
voting). 
The BoD had discussed the topic and decided about it in public. Everyone had 
the 
oportunity to bring up his arguments before the decision.

(...)
> > Point 2 would be a nice job ;-(
> > Maybe we will also hear some complaints, if someone missed to send a mail
> > in time.
> 
> ??
> I absolutely don't get your point. You are saying that writing a mail
> is too much work, and that not writing a mail to be invited is a
> problem?

Reaily, you didn't got it.
I meant the job for the receiver of the mails (Florian?). I won't volunteer for 
the 
job to read all of this mails, decide to give the voting rights and put the 
mail-
writer into a list or the environment for voting. That's a really nice job and 
the 
proposal should also contain the proposal for volunteering for the job ;-)

> Those non-TDF-members are not allowed to vote now, so how is opening a
> door for them too much of a problem?
> 
> But maybe I completely misunderstood and you're talking about the
> opposite side, the group of people that are needed to process those
> manual requests (i.e. create a voting token and send out the
> corresponding link)
> 
> > I think we should invite every contributor to apply for a membership
> > status and then he / she could vote for the venue of the conferences
> > 2013 and later. It would be good to increase our member base.
> 
> But a rather bad reason. If you register just to be able to vote, then
> your commitment to the project is questionable, and thus the entire
> membership status is questioned. (remember that becoming a member
> requires past contributions (in whatever form) and the moral
> commitment to continue contributing in a similar fashion). "I want to
> vote for the location of the next conference" is not enough in my
> opinion.
> 

Right. But if you want to vote only for the location of the next LibreOffice 
conference, where you will not attend, because your commitment is not longer 
than the 
day you write your mail or maybe the end of the voting, why should you get any 
voting 
rights?

> (But don't get me wrong, sending messages to known contributors who
> did not yet apply for membership is of course fine, but not if the
> reason behind is "otherwise you won't be able to vote for the
> LO-conference)

It should be a conference, organized from the LibreOffice community for the 
community 
and we set rules that support this goal. But we should discuss the topic after 
this 
voting and in front of the next voting. We had to start the current voting very 
soon, 
thus the organizers for 2012 have enough time to prepare the conference.

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[tdf-discuss] Ways to collect Money for Attendance at Conferences / Hackfests etc.

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

I came in a discussion with a core member of another OpenSource community 
(Plone) 
across the topic of collecting money for members that want to attend at a 
Conference 
or a Sprint (we call that Hackfest) and give there a presentation or work with 
others 
on a topic. She told me that the member runs a ChipIn then and regularly get 
the 
needed travel expenses.

Yesterday I read about such a sucessfull chipin. A member want to attend the 
Plone 
conference in San Francisco and give a presentation:
http://www.martinaspeli.net/articles/plone-the-generous-community
and the site to collect money for this travel:
http://frapell.chipin.com/go-to-ploneconf

You could read about the idea and conditions at:
http://frapell.chipin.com/go-to-ploneconf

Maybe this could be a way to get more member / contributors from outside Europe 
to 
our next conference and give a presentation there or participate in the event 
(or if 
Europeans want to participate in an event or LibreOffice conference / Hackfest 
outside Europe).

Opinions?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Ways to collect Money for Attendance at Conferences / Hackfests etc.

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

Am Montag, 6. Februar 2012, 20:25:42 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hi all,
> 
> I came in a discussion with a core member of another OpenSource community
> (Plone) across the topic of collecting money for members that want to
> attend at a Conference or a Sprint (we call that Hackfest) and give there
> a presentation or work with others on a topic. She told me that the member
> runs a ChipIn then and regularly get the needed travel expenses.
> 
> Yesterday I read about such a sucessfull chipin. A member want to attend
> the Plone conference in San Francisco and give a presentation:
> http://www.martinaspeli.net/articles/plone-the-generous-community
> and the site to collect money for this travel:
> http://frapell.chipin.com/go-to-ploneconf
> 
> You could read about the idea and conditions at:
> http://frapell.chipin.com/go-to-ploneconf
> 
sorry: wrong URL:
use this:
http://chipin.com

> Maybe this could be a way to get more member / contributors from outside
> Europe to our next conference and give a presentation there or participate
> in the event (or if Europeans want to participate in an event or
> LibreOffice conference / Hackfest outside Europe).
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas


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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference Management System

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

first excuse me for crossposting, but I want to get more volunteers
aware of this topic and involved in it. The follow up discussion should
be on the website mailing list.

The second LibreOffice conference in Berlin is from time not so far
away. I know that the team of the first conference in Paris get not the
chance to create and use a conference management tool for all the work
around the conference. E.g. the workflow for the call for papers was
done by a form on our website that send an email to the organizers team.
The presenter had no chance to view his paper later or make some
additions etc. to it. Thus we should find a conference management system
to help the Berlin-Team (and the teams for the conferences 2013 etc.)
managing the conference more easy and get a workflow for the cfp.

I'm keen to know, if someone has experience with one or more CMS and
could recommend one. Maybe we should create a wiki page with a feature
matrix.

I'm currently evaluating the environment that had been used for the
Plone conference 2011 in San Francisco. I don't know yet, if there are
some new features for the Plone conference 2012 in Arnhem. I hope to get
an update soon.

I know also the system a bit that is used to manage the cfp / lecture
program and the accomodation for the LinuxTag (http://linuxtag.org). But
I don't know yet, how difficult it would be to adapt it to our needs
(and website).

Regards,
Andreas

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference: Call for Papers ends in about two weeks

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

the LibreOffice conference will take place this October in Berlin.
You'll all available information about the conference on our special
conference site: http://conference.libreoffice.org.

The call for papers started at the end of June and will close in about
two weeks, at the 15th August, 11.59 pm. If you have a topic you want to
speak about please log-in to the conference website and submit your
paper. We have a short explanation about the process to get your paper
onto the website: http://conference.libreoffice.org/support-information.


Topics for the conference this year are:

  * Open Document Format (ODF) Track
  * Interoperability
  * LibreOffice - Development and the future: Technology, API, Extensions
  * Community-Track: Localization, Documentation, etc.
  * Best Practice and Migration:Certification and Support

Hint: It's posible to create a first draft and edit your work later (and
submit it for review to the program commitee once it is finished, but in
time before the CfP closed) ;-)

We are looking for your papers!

Regards,
Andreas

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[tdf-discuss] Community-Meetings at the LibreOffice Conference (Tuesday 16. Oct. 2012)

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi all,

we, the LibreOffice conference organization team, are working currently
on the schedule of the conference program. As usual there is a day for
Community Meetings, Tuesday, 16. Oct. 2012. To create a schedule for
this meetings we need to know which groups need a room for their meeting.

Therefor I ask you to reply to this thread and notify us which group
want to meet to which subject(s) on Tuesday. We will create a schedule
from your recommendations.

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Watermark in PDF Export

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi,

Am 12.02.2013 15:53, schrieb CVAlkan:
> Hi:
>
> Is there any way to modify the attributes of the watermark that Writer puts
> into a pdf that it generates? For instance, can the font/typeface, color,
> orientation, page-placement, etc. be specified somewhere?
>
> I've looked through the documentation and help files and such, but found
> nothing relevant. Thanks for any information.
>
currently the color of the watermark and the font/typeface are hard
coded. There is no option to change that yet.

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Who aproval the extensions

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi,

Am 21.01.2015 um 18:24 schrieb J Eduardo Moreno S:
> Hi,
>
> I was created varios extensions for OpenOffice.org, In this time, only
> publish the extension and the people can use the extension.
>
> Now, I compiled varios extension in only one, and publish in the site
> extensions.libreoffice.org. But not be aproval after 2 days.
>
> Who aproval the extensions?
I approved your extension. But you didn't add a downloadable file to
your release yet. Could you please upload the extension file and publish
or republish your release afterwards?

A short notice: the extension and template site project is a volunteer
project, driven only in the spare time. It's always possible to join the
team and help with the site.

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello,

instead of the winpenpack project the portableapps project has links to
the TDF infrastructure. They have a download link to:
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/

I think the downloads from that URL will be counted in the TDF stats. I
don't know, if TDF got also the stats from the other download URL of
portableapps. Maybe the TDF admin team could ask John T. Haller about
such stats, if they are not already in TDF's hands.

And for the question about current versions: it needs always voluteers
that do the work and get some positive feedback and support in return.

Kind regards,
Andreas

Am 25.03.19 um 11:21 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
>
>> What can we do to improve this situation?
> There is an alternative developed in Italy:
>
> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php
>
> They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1:
>
> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384
>
> And LibreOffice 6.1.5:
>
> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354
>
> They usually release just a few days after TDF.
>
> They have many positive reviews.
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello,

and if you look for the source code of their portable LibreOffice
version (6.2.1), you are directed to
https://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/program_sources/.
And the latest source code published there is: 5.3.3. And nothing about
LibreOffice 5.4, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2.

And if you download the release file in an obscure zip-file-format, you
are not able with the usual tools to extract it and look into it.
Maybe there is an issue with the license regulations.

Regards,
Andreas

Am 25.03.19 um 12:47 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> WinPenPack is open source, and - according to many users - is better
> than Portable Apps. It is also maintained by volunteers, who seem to be
> more active and more caring about LibreOffice than John Haller as they
> have not missed a single release since we launched in 2011. I do not
> think that it would be a problem to host it on LibreOffice servers to be
> included in the stats. I would be happy to get in touch with them, and I
> suppose they would be happy to be considered by TDF (something which has
> not happened in the past).
>
> On 25/03/2019 12:11, Andreas Mantke wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> instead of the winpenpack project the portableapps project has links to
>> the TDF infrastructure. They have a download link to:
>> http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/
>>
>> I think the downloads from that URL will be counted in the TDF stats. I
>> don't know, if TDF got also the stats from the other download URL of
>> portableapps. Maybe the TDF admin team could ask John T. Haller about
>> such stats, if they are not already in TDF's hands.
>>
>> And for the question about current versions: it needs always voluteers
>> that do the work and get some positive feedback and support in return.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> Am 25.03.19 um 11:21 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
>>> On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
>>>
>>>> What can we do to improve this situation?
>>> There is an alternative developed in Italy:
>>>
>>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php
>>>
>>> They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1:
>>>
>>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384
>>>
>>> And LibreOffice 6.1.5:
>>>
>>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354
>>>
>>> They usually release just a few days after TDF.
>>>
>>> They have many positive reviews.
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello,

Am 25.03.19 um 13:44 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> and if you look for the source code of their portable LibreOffice
> version (6.2.1), you are directed to
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/program_sources/.
> And the latest source code published there is: 5.3.3. And nothing about
> LibreOffice 5.4, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2.
>
> And if you download the release file in an obscure zip-file-format, you
> are not able with the usual tools to extract it and look into it.

Seemed this is caused by an issue with the download. The 6.1.4 release
could be opened with the usual tools.

Kind regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

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Hello,

I had a further and closer look onto the portableapps website and had to
amend: both download links go to the TDF infrastructure.

And the webpage contains a prominent link to the TDF donation page.

I don't see something similar on the winpenpack website.

Regards,
Andreas

Am 25.03.19 um 12:11 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> instead of the winpenpack project the portableapps project has links to
> the TDF infrastructure. They have a download link to:
> http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/
>
> I think the downloads from that URL will be counted in the TDF stats. I
> don't know, if TDF got also the stats from the other download URL of
> portableapps. Maybe the TDF admin team could ask John T. Haller about
> such stats, if they are not already in TDF's hands.
>
> And for the question about current versions: it needs always voluteers
> that do the work and get some positive feedback and support in return.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> Am 25.03.19 um 11:21 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
>> On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
>>
>>> What can we do to improve this situation?
>> There is an alternative developed in Italy:
>>
>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php
>>
>> They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1:
>>
>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384
>>
>> And LibreOffice 6.1.5:
>>
>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354
>>
>> They usually release just a few days after TDF.
>>
>> They have many positive reviews.
>>
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

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Hello,

Am 25.03.19 um 14:48 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
> When in the past it was suggested by several people to get in touch with
> them to explore a closer collaboration, this was always refused because
> it would have "offended" John Haller (and they were linked only by the
> Italian community).
>
> So, I do not see why they should link to our infrastructure when they
> have been ignored (if not considered as second class citizens because of
> their geographical origins). In fact, they are doing a better job than

to sum up and make it short and clear:

a) the accusation goes into the direction of TDF's board of directors in
this case;

b) it incorporates the accusation of a discrimination because of
someones geological origin (national origin).
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination)

It's surprising to read such text and belief from the main contact
person of TDF and staff member for marketing and PR.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)

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Hello,

Am 25.03.19 um 16:28 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> Am 25.03.19 um 14:48 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
>> When in the past it was suggested by several people to get in touch with
>> them to explore a closer collaboration, this was always refused because
>> it would have "offended" John Haller (and they were linked only by the
>> Italian community).
>>
>> So, I do not see why they should link to our infrastructure when they
>> have been ignored (if not considered as second class citizens because of
>> their geographical origins). In fact, they are doing a better job than
> to sum up and make it short and clear:
>
> a) the accusation goes into the direction of TDF's board of directors in
> this case;
>
> b) it incorporates the accusation of a discrimination because of
> someones geological origin (national origin).
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination)
>
> It's surprising to read such text and belief from the main contact
> person of TDF and staff member for marketing and PR.

seemed the current board has no issue with this statement and
accusation, because there is no reply from any of its members yet.

If the board accepts the statement, that could have some impact on the
status of the foundation.

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[tdf-discuss] More Attacks On Employees And Inappropriate Behavior Of The Chair (was: [VOTE] Technical Budgeting Procedure)

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi Community,

Unfortunately, it seems posts get frequently flagged in the
board-discuss forum, where currently also the behavior of some board
members is criticized and discussed. I hate this form of limiting
discussions and censorship. It's not appropriate to a free software project.


Hi Thorsten, hi all,

Am 11.07.23 um 16:00 schrieb Thorsten Behrens via The Document
Foundation Community:

   \ 45x45 thb 
   July 11

   Hi Paolo,

   PaoloVecchi:

   Is the decision to send out that vote with those issues your own
   or it has been taken by the “shadow board”?

   It is ok to disagree with the policy (although a lot of effort went
   into drafting it). But “shadow board”, really? Next thing will be
   you accusing staff of being the “deep state”?


the last sentence is offensive towards Paolo and all members of staff.

I personally (with some experience in people’s management) wouldn’t even
have thought about such a labeling of members of staff.

The above sentence seemed to show the real view of the author on the
members of staff. And it shows that he expects a bad person behind every
corner. That is no ground for building a winning team.

Your repeated bad (and not only inappropriate) behavior towards people
with other opinions, including the members of TDF staff, is already
sufficient and broad documented and confirmed by many community members.

No community could and should tolerate such behavior. In any company or
institution, you would have been released of your management duties
immediately, to protect people’s mental (and physical) health and
well-being.

It is a shame and not in any case tolerable, that the majority of the
board, except Paolo and Emiliano (who are not members of the ‘shadow
board’) are not taking actions immediately.

If some of the members of the ‘shadow board’ own a spark of integrity,
they could prove that now and take the necessary actions immediately.

Regards,
Andreas

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[tdf-discuss] Board elections and a Pledge for LibreOffice

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Hello everyone,

As some of you may know, the Foundation's board election is currently
taking place.

A group of community members from different countries and continents
have come together and made a pledge for LibreOffice.

Sophie Gautier, who you know from the international project, has
nominated the individual candidates. [1] All of them accepted the
candidacy and signed the pledge for LibreOffice:
- Sophie Gautier, from the French community,
- Eliane Domingos, from the Brazilian community,
- Osvaldo Gervasi, from the Italian community,
- Paolo Vecchi, from the Italian community,
- Jean-Baptiste Faure, from the French community,
- Franklin Weng, from the Taiwanese community,
- Daniel Rodriguez, from the Argentinian community,
- Mike Saunders, from the German community,
- myself (Andreas Mantke) from the German community,
- Jean-François Nifenecker, from the French community and
- Enio Gemmo, from the Italian community.

You can find the pledge at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/D5drr8Hbom6tYTD.

If you have any questions, please contact me. We, the signatories and
candidates, would be delighted to work with you to shape the future of
the Foundation and return the TDF to its golden age.

I wish you all a great weekend.

Kind regards,
Andreas

[1]
https://community.documentfoundation.org/t/nominations-for-the-elections-of-the-tdf-board-of-directors/11759

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Re: [tdf-discuss] PDF forms and edit

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Hi,

Am Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010, 13:29:28 schrieb Miguel Mayol Tur:
> As PDF is a open standard, there would be a good idea not to depend of
>
> propietary software to make and fill PDFs forms and edit PDF documents.
>
>
> And LIBRE OFFICE SHOULD do that.

there are a lot of not proprietary pdf reading programms available, that ca
n do this
work., i.e. Okular on Linux.
In my opinion there is currently no need to develop such a function inside
LO.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] PDF forms and edit

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Hi Marc, *,

Am Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010, 14:07:39 schrieb Marc Paré:
(...)
>
> Actually, LibO (OpenOffice) has very powerful "form" creating tools and
> it follows a recognized ISO document standard
> (http://www.iso.org/iso/fr/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1004). It would
> make sense, to me, to try to advertise this fact and to encourage the
> use and posting of forms made with with LibO.
>

I know that feature and used it to create forms that could be filled out wi
th a pdf-
reader.

> Then if people wanted to modify the forms, they would just have to
> modify the forms, it would just be a question of re-working the LibO file.
>
> IMHO, this is what we should be encouraging.
>
> LibO also does a great job at creating forms and then exporting these to
> .pdf format (.pdf is also an ISO document standard
> (http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1141). If, for example
> you are creating a form for a group, you can send them both the .pdf
> form (there is no real way to modify this form in whole) and the LibO
> file that you used to create the form. The LibO file could then be used
> to modify the form is the group wanted.

If you want to get both, you can use the PDF-Import-Extension. You can crea
te with
that extension hybrid files, that opens with the programm module, that was
used to
create the file, or with a pdf-reader.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] PDF forms and edit

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Hi Marc, Bernhard, *,

Am Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010, 14:41:56 schrieb Marc Paré:
> Le 2010-10-10 08:39, Bernhard Dippold a écrit :
(...)
> > I can open PDF files using just the "open file" command without the need
> > for any extension.
> >
> > Has this extension already been integrated in the sources?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Bernhard
>
> I think so. I think the LibO is using the Go-OO version and not the
> OpenOffice version.

if you have a look inside tools - Extension Manager you will find out that
the import
extension is already there.

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[tdf-discuss] tdf-wiki: tasks

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Hi,

because there are a lot of discussions and a lot of emails on the 
tdf-/libreOffice-
lists, open tasks, that need some volunteers, disappear relatively fast due to 
the 
other stuff that are heavily debated on the lists. Because we get our own wiki 
now, 
we should use this to write down every task that needs a volunteer. I created a 
"torso" page where everybody is invite to collect such tasks. Then we can point 
volunteers to this site.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Tasks

Because it's a wiki, everybody is invited to enhance the site ;-)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

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Hi Johannes, *,

Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 19:30:31 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
> Hi Leif,
> 
> > Dear Larry,
> > ...
> > 
> > I disagree with you of two reasons:
> > 1) LibreOffice is free software. If any developer wants to improve the
> > code - he or she has the freedom to do so. I think this is one very
> > important stand. We have seen other products in the marked licensed as
> > open source but that are not free software. Who should decide what what
> > is 'good' and what is 'bad' code?
> > 
> > Nobody. Because !
> > 
> > We are not building a cathedral are we? Not because the bazaar works
> > fine for us.
> 
> I agree too in one point: LibreOffice is free software as a software.
> But we speak about LO as the substantial product of TDF. And TDF wants
> to evolve the community of OOo eg. With that LO is part of the community.
> Why can than one group or one person decide about important things?

this is because LibreOffice and the TDF are build on the contribution of the 
members. 
The people, which are doing the work, decide about the things they are doing 
for LO 
and the TDF.

But you yourself had to decide first, what you want to contribute to which 
community 
(OOo or LO). We need people who are doing the daily work. We need not another 
mega-
thread on this list.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

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Hi Johannes, *,

Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 21:36:20 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> > Hi Johannes, *,
(...)
> > But you yourself had to decide first, what you want to contribute to
> > which community (OOo or LO). We need people who are doing the daily
> > work. We need not another mega- thread on this list.
> 
> That's right. But TDF fell from heaven in September 2010, and till now I
> am looking for answers to important questions about both, OOo and LO.
> And some is confusing.
> 

not from heaven, but from the community or her long term contributors.

> In this Mail for LO: If I understand you correctly, decisions about
> programming are the task of the developers. Is this "The mission of the
> ESC is to provide technical guidance and to settle technical disputes."
> under the bylaws of TDF?
> What's the basis for the developers to make decisions? Where can I find
> that information?
> 

Read the other mails from the members of the TDF and LibreOffice. I have not 
the time 
to repeat anything. I'll contribute in my sparetime, not only write mails and 
steal 
the time of other members of the community.

So if you want to be a member of LibreOffice also go ahead and decide, what you 
can 
do for the community and contribute.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Adoption and implementation of the Community Bylaws

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Hi David, *,

Am Montag, 10. Januar 2011, 00:25:41 schrieb David Nelson:
> Hi Andreas, :-)
> 
> > There is currently no legal entity or a legal organisation TDF. Every
> > thing is in the course of formation. Because I know a bit about German
> > law I can assure you that it takes a longer time (not days or a month)
> > to establish a foundation.
> 
> Forming the legal entity, the Foundation will take time. But that has
> no connection with the implementation of the Community Bylaws. The
> existence of the Foundation is *not* necessary before implementing
> almost every clause of the Community Bylaws. You can set up the ESC.
> You can set up the membership committee. You can hold elections for
> the BoD, as a *morally-implemented* team. You can set up the
> proportional-representation voting system. You can hold elections and
> votes. You can appoint teams. You can appoint team leads. The *moral*
> life of the Community can exist and function entirely independently of
> whether or not there is yet an officially-formed Foundation under
> German or UK law.
> 

I think this will not improve our current situation. We need a group of people 
with 
deep knowledge (from their work with the community of OOo) about the different 
parts 
of the whole project and have the power to establish the foundation that serves 
the 
needs of the whole community / project. We don't have the time to change the 
horses 
during this process. This will lead to a waste of time, because the people of 
the new 
(moral) ESC / BoD had to start the discussion about the foundation (and the 
best way 
to establish it) from the beginning.

And a bit  for your health ;-) 
We - the contributors - are all *morally* currently members of LibreOffice. We 
don't 
need a membership commitee yet.

Regards,
Andreas
*and please don't resent every time your statement; we are on a mailinglist 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Portable Version - Peaceful Coexistence?

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Hi Harold, *,

Am Montag, 31. Januar 2011, 10:42:46 schrieb Harold Fuchs:
> Will the new portable version of LO coexist peacefully on the same USB
> stick as OOo portable? Or must I choose?

they should live in peace to each other ;-)
But you should think about it, because the last OOo Portable was created upon 
on OOo 
3.2.0 and there are as far as I know some(?) security issues that were fixed in 
later 
versions of OOo (and LibO).

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[tdf-discuss] Crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1-Impress

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Hi all,

I get an crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1in the modul Impress if I create in my 
presentation a new slide (layout title and field with a listing. I change to 
the 
outline view and copy the outline from another presentation (beginning with the 
listing and ending with the title and the listing of a second slide) into the 
listing 
of my current presentation. Impress crashed short after this action.

I explored the situation a bit and tried again with a title in the new slide 
(of my 
current presentation) and every thing works. In my opinion the crash is caused 
from 
the missing title of the new slide.

My environment: openSuSE 11.3-x64, KDE 4.4.4, LibreOffice 3.3.2-x64-rc1.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1-Impress

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Hi Carlo, *,

Am Samstag, 12. März 2011, 11:16:51 schrieb Carlo Strata:
(...)
> 
> I suppose your LibreOffice is the vanilla one (that one, in the linux,
> x86-64, rpm version, you could download fron www.libreoffice.org).
> 

yes. I always try only with vanilla one.

> Have you tried to uninstall it and install directly from the OpenSuSE
> Build Service that has released just yesterday:
> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/
> 

I used the vanilla one and made a rpm -Uvh for it (the whole packages, 
including 
desktop-integration, language package and de-help-files.
(...)
> - activate the repo autoupdate:
> 
> -- with yast repo management or
> 

I know that it is posible to do such updates with Yast and zypper, but I do the 
update for LibreOffice only by rpm from a local directory.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Vertical Text not working

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Hi Kunal, *,

Am Sonntag, 13. März 2011, 04:39:15 schrieb Kunal Singh:
> View > Toolbars > Drawing > Vertical Text not working. I saw this problem
> some 5 Yr back in Oo.org and still it continues to be their even in current
> version of Liber Office writer.

you don't write about the version of LibreOffice (and the environment: OS etc.) 
that 
you used for your test.

I tried with LibreOffice 3.3.2-x64-rc1 on openSUSE 11.3-x64 KDE 4.4.4 and I 
can't 
persuade the icon for vertical text to appear in the drawing toolbar. Thus 
there must 
have been broken something.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Membership application numbers

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Hi Sophie, *,

Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2011, 18:29:45 schrieb Sophie Gautier:
> Hi all,
> 
> Some information on the Membership applications treated until now :
> 
> - Applications approved: 77

it would be nice to have them on the TDF-website or inside the wiki. What do 
you 
think?

Regards,
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