[IxDA Discuss] Raising awareness for Interaction Design in a corporate IT company

2008-04-20 Thread R. Groot
Dear all,

my question is simple in its former but probably less so in its
answer. Therefore I would like to ask you all for input on the
following:

-- How to start creating an awareness of the need for Interaction
(/user experience) design in a corporate IT
consultancy/developer/implementor company?


Background:
I am an Interaction Designer myself and work for such a company. We
consult, develop and implement IT. But within this there is as good as
no attention or interest for IxD/UX. If you have good (or bad)
experiences with this, built businesscases for such a situation or
have thougts about how to go about or what to take into account, I
would be very interested in hearing about it!

With kind regards,
Rein Groot

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Will Evans
Speaking of failed pseudo-science - I had the unfortunate opportunity to see
Ben Stein's Polemic Excretion Expelled on
Friday eveningsigh

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Katie Albers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 At 10:27 PM -0400 4/19/08, Will Evans wrote:
 Yes, but Jared --
 There are at least 2 full sessions @ June's UPA conference dedicated to
 eye-tracking, ergo it must be a valid technique!

 Not valid , but accepted. Surely we are all familiar with the
 difference between those twoAnd I suspect you know it :) If
 not...I know an excellent phrenologist

 Katie

 Maybe next year we will
 have a Tea-Leaf Reading Analytical Practices for Enhanced User
 Experience,
 which will follow Rapid A-B testing with Mescaline  Electroshock
 Therapy:
 Getting a Charge Out of User Testing session.
 
 
 
 On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I didn't say that I thought eye tracking was fluff.
 
   I said that I thought it is a voodoo technique. Deducing information
   about a design from eyetracking is equivalent to reading tea leaves
   and using a ouija board.
 
   The latter are cheaper, but just as reliable.
 
   Every person I know who swears by eyetracking and has stories on how
   its helped them can't explain how they would've gotten the same
   results if some other professional had looked at the same raw data.
   Until we can get to that point, the reader of the data will be more
   important than the data itself, thereby making tea leaf reading a
   viable alternative.
 
   Jared
 
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Christopher Fahey
On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Jared M.Spool wrote:
 Every person I know who swears by eyetracking and has stories on how
 its helped them can't explain how they would've gotten the same
 results if some other professional had looked at the same raw data.

Nor can they explain why they wouldn't get *better* results and  
*better* recommendations from simply showing the UI to a half-decent  
user interface designer for 20 minutes.

I've never seen a eyetracking recommendation that wasn't either (a)  
patently obvious to me (Your 6-pixel-high light gray text should be  
made easier to see) or (b) completely stupid (Move the search box to  
the left (where you currently have the picture of the cute little  
puppy) because everyone seems to spends time looking at the left side  
of the page).

-Cf

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Andy Edmonds
Wow, what skepticism in this thread!  I'll admit that I don't use my eye 
tracker as often as split testing, but I do feel compelled to offer a 
more positive view on the matter.

The #1 utility of the eye tracker, for me, is in helping me understand 
the user's cognition during a test session. With real time gaze data on 
a 2nd observer only screen, I don't have to work as hard on eliciting 
verbal protocol.  I have also used the eye gaze reports to ask the user 
questions after the session -- a methodology others have developed more 
fully.

Heck, I even spotted button gravity in my lab:  
http://flickr.com/photos/andyed/450579101/

Bruno: Regarding mouse movements, it's clear that eye movements are much 
higher signal, but mouse position has more data than twiddled fingers.  
I've summarized research on this on my blog and in a recent publication: 
http://alwaysbetesting.com/abtest/index.cfm/2007/4/29/Eye-Tracking-vs-Mouse-Tracking

There's a longstanding and largely unsuccessful effort to generate 
quantitative quality metrics from eye-tracking data. That said, distance 
traveled by eye has been used productively in LukeW's work on forms, 
presented at Jared's Web App Summit recently.  I've also been able to 
show good design leads to more efficient scan paths, 
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2175663626/.

I won't dispute that many of the insights from eye-tracking are fairly 
obvious (ex. no headings in a long menu? 
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2177600531/), but there's 
something to be said for how well the visualizations engage consumers.

To help with these basic types of insights, we've developed a vision 
simulation in a browser, Stomper Scrutinizer that helps reveal the 
multiple fixation requirements of left aligned form labels for example.

Andy

Bruno Figueiredo wrote:
 Eye tracking is just like tracking mouse movement or clicks. It
 doesn't really shows you what users are thinking, they're just
 secondary manifestations of their thoughts. It's just like when you
 twiddle your fingers on a table while thinking about what to do next.
 It has nothing to do with it. Granted, there's some usefulness in the
 data, since you can uncover some problems, but generally sitting with
 a user and understanding it's train of thought is much more
 insightful.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Measuring User Experience

2008-04-20 Thread Tom Illmensee
Jorge wrote:

I'm completely agree that qualitative methods are better than
others. But in this case I would like to make a numeric comparison
between several websites. That's the reason why my approach was
closer to a numerical evaluation.

This book may help you:

Measuring the User Experience: Collecting, Analyzing, and
Presenting Usability Metrics, by Tom Tullis and Bill Albert.

Published March 2008.

ISBN: 978-0123735584

Best regards,

Tom Illmensee



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] teaching young people about usability

2008-04-20 Thread Elizabeth
Interestingly enough I was just reading a report I was sent yesterday:

Being Human: Human-Computer Interaction in the Year 2020 
http://research.microsoft.com/hci2020/download.html
which makes various recommendations, including number 4 which is
summarised in the reader%u2019s guide as:

Teach HCI to the young.
The report argues that changes in computers and computing have a
significant impact on all our lives. Consequently, the study of HCI
should be introduced to the young as soon as possible.  This goes
beyond traditional educational concepts of %u2018computer
science%u2019 %u2013 not just teaching children about how computers
and applications work, but about their wider impact.

-so sorry, it's not really helpful to you, Meredith, but I was just
excited to see that people are already on it and thought it might be
of interest and encouragement!  


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Paul Nuschke
Jared said:

 I said that I thought it is a voodoo technique. Deducing information
 about a design from eyetracking is equivalent to reading tea leaves
 and using a ouija board.


That's a pretty colorful exaggeration.

Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time. Without
considering post-test analysis, this has real value in helping the
facilitator better understand what is happening without interfering. One
analogy I find useful, in terms of understanding what the participant is
doing/thinking, is that having eyetracking versus not having eyetracking is
like testing in person versus testing remotely.

I wonder, given your research background, Jared, if we are talking about
different types of eyetracking studies. For academic/generalizable research,
I have found eyetracking studies to be pretty meaningless. But for testing
real products, and only trying to interpret results for those pages, it can
be useful and not all that difficult, depending on the stimulus and tasks of
course.

I also wonder if some people have been burned by past bad experiences with
faulty eyetrackers and bad software. My lab at school had three separate
eyetrackers and none of them worked correctly. The Tobii one that I use now
is easy to use and the analysis software is very good.

Paul

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I didn't say that I thought eye tracking was fluff.

 I said that I thought it is a voodoo technique. Deducing information
 about a design from eyetracking is equivalent to reading tea leaves
 and using a ouija board.

 The latter are cheaper, but just as reliable.

 Every person I know who swears by eyetracking and has stories on how
 its helped them can't explain how they would've gotten the same
 results if some other professional had looked at the same raw data.
 Until we can get to that point, the reader of the data will be more
 important than the data itself, thereby making tea leaf reading a
 viable alternative.

 Jared

 Jared M. Spool
 User Interface Engineering
 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845
 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p:  1 978 327 5561
 http://uie.com  Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Acceptable download/performance time on flash sites?

2008-04-20 Thread Will Parker
On Apr 19, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Bruno Figueiredo wrote:

 I would suggest you to put up a static version of what they're
 waiting to load with a loading bar on top. That way users get a
 general sense of what's to come and if it's worth it or not. Kinda
 of what we did back in the days with no broadband where we used
 lowres versions of the images to be loaded.

 About the willingness to wait, frustration hits at about 10 seconds.

I have to respectfully disagree with both of these suggestions.

Loading bars might as well be a measure of the visitor's cumulative  
frustration level, and 10 seconds is far too much of the user's  
valuable time to waste, no matter how wonderful the end result might be.

For the Flash-heavy advertising that is the main product of the Very  
Large advertising company where I work, the general rule is:

Load times SHALL take no more than three seconds, and if you need  
that long, it damn well better erase the viewer's memory of the  
wait ... and you're not a Vulcan.

(That was the draft version of the rule I wrote; the final version was  
more diplomatic and took twice as long to get to the point.)

Robert Hoekman's suggestion to include additional content and/or  
interactive imagery to the page is actually more of a requirement.  
There are two components to performance: actual and perceived. If you  
can't achieve actual performance gains, you must change the user's  
perception to exclude any experience of waiting.

As several people on this thread have suggested, you can continue to  
load Flash content in the background while your visitors are otherwise  
engaged. In my opinion, we should flip that idea on its head:

Never distract the visitor from what you're showing them NOW with the  
promise of things to come.

Whatever you're doing on screen, you should be guiding and controlling  
the user's focus of attention. In most cases, the best thing you can  
put in that focus is *a meaningful message* rather than the melange of  
effects-driven, semi-abstract fireworks that one sees too often on  
Flash sites.

One huge advantage of keeping meaningful content, presented well, in  
front of the user at all times is that their perception of time slows  
down as they consider that meaning ... and that's when your preloaders  
should be beavering away to set up the next act.

 Users will only wait longer than that if they perceive the content  
 to be really worth it.

The problem with convincing the user that the content they're waiting  
to see is 'worth it' is that they're *still waiting*. You've only  
increased their frustration and perception that your site performance  
sucks.

By the way, user testing on 'office productivity software' (guess  
where that was) indicates that an actual performance problem in one  
area tends to have a 'bleed-over' effect on users' perception of  
performance across an entire product. If the user notices *any single  
performance problem*, previously acceptable performance times will  
suddenly become marginally unacceptable.

 User testing won't really do for this since test users usually have  
 a higher tolerance for waiting than real users.

True, you shouldn't insert performance-related questions during the  
main course of testing, as doing so almost always negatively colors  
the subject's overall assessment of the design being testing. However,  
you can expose your worst performance hotspots by asking the right  
followup questions after the main testing tasks are done.

 If you put it up live, watch for top exit pages in your logs, if  
 they're leaving the content rich pages, you need to decrease the  
 loading times.

Absolutely! But decrease the perceived loading times before they start  
leaving, because you're not just losing a customer, you're losing  
reputation.

Will Parker
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M . Spool
Paul Nuschke wrote:
 Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time. 

Yes. But just because you know where someone looks or doesn't look
doesn't mean you know anything about what they see, what they wanted
to see, and what they didn't see. It's not clear to me how one
interprets the they gazed at this point on the screen for 400 ms
information. Was that good? Was that bad?

We know that people see things through their peripheral vision, such
as the scroll bar, so that's not recorded by the eye tracker. That
means we can't even assume that when someone doesn't gaze at a spot
that it wasn't seen.

With eye trackers, we have a bunch of observations but no way to
determine the proper inferences. Instead, all of the value of an eye
tracker comes from the interpretation.

Show me a study that shows that N separate evaluators looked at the
same eye tracking data and came away with the same conclusions and
I'll change my mind.

Until then, I'll continue to group it with tarot cards and palm
reading as a fine art.

 Without considering post-test analysis, this has real value in
helping the facilitator better understand what is happening without
interfering.

Exactly my point. As the President of Best Buy, John JT Thompson,
once told me (while I was delivering a great presentation with a ton
of data):

I worked for Jack Welch at GE for 17 years and if I learned
anything while I was there, it was this: If you torture data long and
hard enough, it will confess to anything you want.

One analogy I find useful, in terms of understanding what the
participant is doing/thinking, is that having eyetracking versus not
having eyetracking is like testing in person versus testing remotely.

You lost me there.

 I wonder, given your research background, Jared, if we are talking
about different types of eyetracking studies. For
academic/generalizable research, I have found eyetracking studies to
be pretty meaningless. 

Actually, that's pretty funny. I think the most exciting eye
tracking stuff is happening in research. There were a ton of good
posters and some neat presentations at CHI showing how eye tracking,
as an alternative input device, could have some really cool
applications, especially for accessibility.

I also think there are some interesting cognitive and behavioral
psych things to learn by using the devices. But I don't think
there's been anything useful in terms of using it as a tool to
enhance or inform the design process, so I'm guessing we agree
there.

 But for testing real products, and only trying to interpret results
for those pages, it can be useful and not all that difficult,
depending on the stimulus and tasks of course. 

Yah, not seeing that. 

What I see is that it falls nicely in the If you can't dazzle 'em
with your brilliance, feel free to baffle 'em with your bullshit
category of helping folks understand how to change their designs.

But then again, what do I know?

Jared

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Pieter Jansegers
I'm wondering about the need of eye tracking on any particular page.

I mean : it's nice to repeat scientific tests over and over again to
control the results.

But I don't think it could add specific value to website analysis as
such to do it on every site over and over again.

I don't see why the results would differ from a general analysis of
the website based on the principles obtained in research previously.

But, hey, if you can convince a client more easily to put his/her
money into your pocktets showing a nice reddish glow on a graph...
who I am to stop you ?

Pieter Jansegers

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread mark schraad
I have been observing (pardon the pun) how often people look right at  
something and don;t see it. I am sure there is a technical term for  
this 'attention periphery' but I have not found it in the research  
yet. I would love to see the results and analysis of an eye tracking  
expert of subject watching the now classic dancing bear in the  
basketball game.

Mark

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On Apr 20, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Paul Nuschke wrote:

 Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M. Spool

On Apr 20, 2008, at 6:18 PM, mark schraad wrote:

 I am sure there is a technical term for
 this 'attention periphery' but I have not found it in the research
 yet.

Search for situation inattentional blindness. The primary work was  
done by Simons at U of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne.

Jared


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Paul Nuschke
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Nuschke wrote:
  Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time.

 Yes. But just because you know where someone looks or doesn't look
 doesn't mean you know anything about what they see, what they wanted
 to see, and what they didn't see. It's not clear to me how one
 interprets the they gazed at this point on the screen for 400 ms
 information. Was that good? Was that bad?


Imagine that a user needs to click on a link to go somewhere. If she fixates
on the link and don't click it, then that's pretty good evidence that she
did not understand the link.

We know that people see things through their peripheral vision, such
 as the scroll bar, so that's not recorded by the eye tracker. That
 means we can't even assume that when someone doesn't gaze at a spot
 that it wasn't seen.


True, but that's a good thing. You can't read or see fine details in your
peripheral vision, so even if you notice something it doesn't mean that you
looked at it enough to understand what it contained (unless the important
details were very big). In the example above, even if the user noticed that
a link existed, if she did not attend to it, then she would not have been
able to read it.

Show me a study that shows that N separate evaluators looked at the
 same eye tracking data and came away with the same conclusions and
 I'll change my mind.


That some data does not make sense is not a phenomenon unique to
eyetracking. I've seen plenty of different interpretations of statistics as
well.


 One analogy I find useful, in terms of understanding what the
 participant is doing/thinking, is that having eyetracking versus not
 having eyetracking is like testing in person versus testing remotely.

 You lost me there.


In remote testing, you loose voice quality and you don't see mannerisms,
facial expressions, etc. In in person testing, you have gestures and
facial expressions, and voice inflections. In eyetracking, you add the
ability to see where they are looking. You lose something too, though, in
your testing methodology, but that's another e-mail thread.

Paul

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed? [Off-topic:funny]

2008-04-20 Thread Dan Zlotnikov
Matthew Loff wrote:
 *** naive developer:  the form already validated itself-- I should be able
 to trust its contents!

 *** paranoid devleper: what if they have javascript turned off, and their
 ZIP code happens to be 'DROP TABLE users'  ... ?
   

A webcomic to that effect:
http://xkcd.com/327/

Dan

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Al Selvin
This may be obvious or trivial, but it was a new insight to me. I've never
used eye tracking in software/web design or thought it would have much
utility. Nonetheless I wandered up to one of the eye-tracking vendors at the
CHI conference and got into a conversation with the rep. He said that most
of their sales and emphasis were on contexts where there was something other
than a single screen to look at -- such as automobile dashboards, complex
control panels like nuclear power plants, and the like. In those situations,
seeing where people are looking in response to stimuli like alerts, gauges,
oncoming obstacles etc., that can come from many different directions, is
very important and the eye tracking apparatus can be extremely helpful.
That made a lot of sense to me.

Al

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M. Spool

On Apr 20, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Paul Nuschke wrote:

 Imagine that a user needs to click on a link to go somewhere. If she  
 fixates
 on the link and don't click it, then that's pretty good evidence  
 that she
 did not understand the link.

All you know is that the eye tracker registered that they fixated on  
the link and that they didn't click.

The notion that they didn't understand the link is one inference.

It's not the only inference. It may not be the right inference.

It is purely *your* interpretation that the user didn't understand it.

(And you could've gotten there without the eye tracking data.)

 We know that people see things through their peripheral vision, such
 as the scroll bar, so that's not recorded by the eye tracker. That
 means we can't even assume that when someone doesn't gaze at a spot
 that it wasn't seen.

 True, but that's a good thing. You can't read or see fine details in  
 your
 peripheral vision, so even if you notice something it doesn't mean  
 that you
 looked at it enough to understand what it contained (unless the  
 important
 details were very big).

Again. Your inference. You don't have any evidence to actually know  
that's true.

In fact, in psychographic phenomena, it's pretty amazing what people  
can see and deduce from the peripheral vision. There's a lot happening  
within 140 degrees of the focal point.

And it's pretty amazing what is lost within the center gaze area,  
especially with people who have field issues that are frequent in  
males over 40, females over 50, and anyone suffering from optic  
neuritis or other immune-deficiency-based symptoms. (In MS patients,  
for example, optic neuritis frequently shows up in late teens, early  
20s.)

So, you are just inferring meaning to the data you're collecting.

 In the example above, even if the user noticed that
 a link existed, if she did not attend to it, then she would not have  
 been
 able to read it.

Your inference. There are other likely inferences too.

 Show me a study that shows that N separate evaluators looked at the
 same eye tracking data and came away with the same conclusions and
 I'll change my mind.

 That some data does not make sense is not a phenomenon unique to
 eyetracking. I've seen plenty of different interpretations of  
 statistics as
 well.

Ok. Does that make eyetracking work?

Not buying it. Still think it's up to the interpreter of the eye  
tracker.

Let me put it another way:

Would you, Paul, be comfortable letting your clients to use the eye  
tracker without any help in interpreting data from you. Is the device  
all they need to make the judgments necessary to provide good design  
advice?

Jared

Jared M. Spool
User Interface Engineering
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