Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Milo van der Linden]

Being a "don't talk, act" member since 2008, entrepreneur and former
chairman of a couple of local initiatives, I strongly agree.

Seeing all the "empty talkers" from my country run for charter membership
and still not having geoserver, which is the most mature open geospatial
product I can think of pas incubation made me completely lose interest in
OSGeo.

I am disappointed, a little frustrated and plotting a business course that
values open source and open knowledge. OSGeo or any in-crowd will have no
part in my future.

Thank you for your honest and to the point analyses.

Milo
On Sep 25, 2015 21:58, "Darrell Fuhriman"  wrote:

> The recent discussion on the board list
>  that
> came out of the question of the 2014 videos has got me thinking about a few
> things again, and I want to try to get them out there.
>
> Grab a mug of your favorite liquid and hunker down, because I put some
> time and effort into this, and your own well considered reply is
> appreciated.
>
> Keep in mind that all of these comments are coming from my personal
> perspective, which, like everyone’s, is an incomplete picture of the whole.
> Much of what I’m going to say has been rolling around my head for a while,
> so I’m just going to put it out there.
> I will start with a provocative thesis:
>
> OSGeo lacks visionary unified leadership and without it will become
> irrelevant.
>
> Of course, making such a claim requires support. So let me break down the
> statement.
>
> “Visionary leadership” is really two things, “vision” and “leadership.” I
> will address each in turn.
> OSGeo lacks vision
> I looked at the list of “Goals” for OSGeo
> . I wonder: when was
> the last time these goals were evaluated for both success and relevancy?
>
> Here is my own opinion of success of some of  these goals. (In the
> interest of brevity, I haven’t tried to tackle everything. That’s left as
> an exercise to the reader.)
>
> Example 1
> To provide resources for foundation projects - eg. infrastructure,
> funding, legal.
>
> Allow me to break each of those examples down.
> Infrastructure
> It’s true that OSGeo provides some infrastructure, such as Trac instance,
> Mailman, SVN repos. If the budget is to be believed, we pay some $3,500/yr
> to OSUOSL for said infrastructure. I wonder if such a service is necessary,
> however. Issue tracking and source control are much better provided by
> Github, which is free for organization such as ours.
> I say this because a) that’s money that could be better spent elsewhere
> and b) supporting these services burns precious volunteer time (more on
> that below).
>
> There are clear cost savings available, which are not taken advantage of.
> For example, OSGeo could be hosting FOSS4G infrastructure: conference
> websites and registration, a central location for conference videos
> (regardless of platform/provider). This neglect is especially galling given
> that FOSS4G is OSGeo’s sole source of income.
> Funding
>
> OSGeo does not fund projects. It has provided some funds to pay for Code
> Sprints — $15k in 2014 according to the budget
> .
> Legal
>
> I see nothing that has been done on this front recently. Please feel free
> to correct me.
> Conclusion
>
> OSGeo, where it actually does what it claims, has not adapted in ways that
> could save money.
>
> My grade: D
> Example 2
> To promote freely available geodata - free software is useless without
> data.
>
> The geodata working group is dead. As near as I can tell by perusing the
> mailing list archives, and the wiki, there has been no meaningful activity
> in the past two years (maybe more).
>
> My grade: F
> Example 3
> To promote the use of open source software in the geospatial industry (not
> just foundation software) - eg. PR, training, outreach.
>
> The Board of Directors
> 
> page says:
> Packaging and Marketing
>
> OSGeo’s marketing effort has primarily been focused around the packaging
> and documentation efforts of OSGeo-Live, and to a lesser extend[sic],
> osgeo4w. […] It has been entirely driven by volunteer labour, with 140
> OSGeo-Live volunteers, and printing costs have been covered by local events
> or sponsors. In the last couple of years, OSGeo has covered local chapter
> expenses required to purchase non-consumable items for conference booths
> (such as a retractable banner). In moving forward, OSGeo hope to extend
> marketing reach by providing co-contributions toward printing costs of
> consumable items at conferences, such as toward OSGeo-Live DVDs.
> Local Chapters
> Much of OSGeo’s marketing initiates are applied at the local level. In
> many cases, this is best supported through as little as an email list and
> wiki page. OSGeo also supports local chapters by offering to pay for 

[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for admin for MapServer lists

[Milo van der Linden]

As I no longer have time to be involved with OSGeo, I would like to resign
as list manager for the MapServer lists.

Anyone that would like to step up and take over?

Kind regards,

Milo
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations

[Milo van der Linden]

+1 Frank's statement

It is a great summary and I also want to compliment OSGeo on maintaining
diversity in Board and Officers both in country of origin and companies
people work for in all these years, it is an organization I am proud to be
a humble little part of.

If there is something that I think could be better in the future it might
be:
- More women present in the board although this should go naturally and not
forced
- broader representation for Asia and Africa, but again, this should grow
organic

But that is just my opinion and I feel in no way privileged to tell others
what to do.

Kind regards,

Milo
On Aug 3, 2015 6:44 PM, Stephen Woodbridge wood...@swoodbridge.com
wrote:

 +1 Frank's statement is exactly what I would like to see also.

 -Steve

 On 8/3/2015 12:39 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

 Folks,

 For what it's worth, I also do not feel comfortable with completing
 the survey as it is currently structured as the structure forces me to
 give answers that don't really represent my views.

 For what it's worth I am in favor of:
   - a modest number of charter members using something like the current
 process
   - open membership
   - no manditory membership fees
   - make every effort to treat regular members the same as charter
 members except for the minimum voting stuff required to be legally
 distinct.

 Best regards,
 Frank



 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jim Klassen klassen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have been involved in the MapServer and GeoMoose projects since before
 OSGeo existed.  I remember the founding of OSGeo and the heated
 discussions that took place to define the direction OSGeo would take.
 The future of OSGeo and how it interacts with its members is very
 important to me.

 However, as a charter member, this current discussion and particularly
 the survey has me confused as to how I should respond.

 For starters: Should I be taking the survey now or waiting for it to be
 improved?  Where are the results of this survey going?  Does this survey
 count as an official vote(s)?

 On 08/03/2015 05:16 AM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:

 Dear Bruce, Steve, Even, Peter, Dan and others,

 Sorry for replying so late. I'm in vacation with limited Internet
 access. Personally, I agree with many of your points. However, as
 Steven already pointed out, we had a few days of open discussions on
 the survey before sending to our Charter members. Somehow I expected
 that our Charter members are subscribed on the discuss and board
 mailing list and following the topics there. Perhaps we need a
 dedicated mailing list for our Charter members or the invitation to
 comment on the survey should be also sent individually to all our
 Charter members. Not sure about the right approach. Anyway, please
 keep in mind that this is the first time we are polling our members
 and we still have to learn and adjust our communication skills.

 Now, regarding the survey. The main point was to find the best method
 to select our Charter members. This is an ongoing discussion for many
 years. The survey included the previous voting options and some new
 proposals. Then, some people suggested to use this opportunity to
 include additionally questions regarding the future of OSGeo
 membership. That's how the survey was created. The survey is really
 flawed if is not connected with the discussions on the board and
 discuss mailing lists. Different people, different angles, different
 opinions... But only a fraction of our members expressed their
 ideas/questions/opinions before assembling the survey. That's why the
 survey looks heterogeneous. I did my best to merge similar topics and
 not to include redundant questions. I also did not remove any question
 based on my own judgement. Anyway, I find this exercise very useful
 for our community. We should discuss further to keep our organization
 on the right track.

 Warm regards from the sunny Black Sea coast!
 Vasile

 PS I'm slowly catching up will all the emails on this thread (most of
 them privately sent). I'll get back when I have the full picture.

 On 7/31/15 3:07 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:

 Hi Vassile,

 This survey appears to be flawed.

 I applaud your efforts to bring this issue to a head, but I'm not
 convinced
 that we'll get valid results from the survey.


 In my case:

 I believe that there should be open membership for any interested,
 perhaps
 with a membership fee.

 I also see the value of recognising key contributors voted through some
 meritocracy process as the current Charter Membership allows, with this
 group having a voting responsibility. This is in essence not very
 different
 from the concept of a 'committers' group within an open source
 project. I
 don't really care if the name 'Charter Membership' is changed.


 However the survey appears to lead people into a binary situation where
 they believe in 'open' or 'closed' with 'closed' apparently assigned to
 those favouring 'Charter Membership'.


 For example:

 I'd like to vote NO 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

[Milo van der Linden]

Hi Sanghee,

Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any
offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after
looking at them in context (in the slideshare presentation) this is my
opinion.

1. I don't understand the slides with the Dali painting. What do you want
to say with them? In my opinion they can be removed without downgrading the
presentation.

2. In my opinion; the slide with the header Culture showing the row of
female models will bring a better message with another picture. Currently I
interpret this slide as: Come to Korea for the beautiful women and I
believe that is not the message you want to send under the header Culture.

3. There are a few slides with a lot of prominently displayed alcoholic
drinks, in one slide, it even looks like a drinking game. There are a lot
of cultures that are offended by that too. Simply removing them, again,
would not make your presentation worse, it would make it stronger.

Final thought:

I agree with the request for removal/replacement but I think you should
also do something about the alcoholic drinks given this presentation holds
a prominent position on the main page for the foss4g event. This would make
your presentation stronger, because apart from this minor thing, it is an
interesting slideshow that has me interested in going to Seoul!

So thank you for that!

With respect, kind regards.





2015-06-24 12:22 GMT+02:00 Sanghee Shin shs...@gaia3d.com:

 Dear All,

 It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.

 I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation 7 Reasons why you
 should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G
 Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6
 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female models) are those
 controversial ones.

 I refused this asking immediately because I don’t believe my presentation
 breach the OSGeo CoC and I don’t agree with that view.

 However since this is not the first time asking me to remove those slides
 from my presentation and OSGeo now have CoC, I think we’d better discuss
 this issue more openly to reach conclusions.

 I might be wrong and I’d like to hear other people’s opinion on this from
 all around the world. Also I expect Conference Committee’s input as well,
 because this is the matter of OSGeo conference.

 I’m open to remove/amend/keep those slides after hearing other people’s
 opinions on this. Also I believe it’ll be a great chance for OSGeo to learn
 how to apply CoC in real cases.

 *Sidenote for defending myself:
 - Slide #6 is the part of Salvador Dali’s well known painting named
 “Lincoln in Dalivision”[2]
 - Slide #20 is the picture of famous girl group, Girls’
 Generation(SNSD)[3], which I believe as symbolic icon of wide spread of
 Korean culture(K-Culture) in/around Asia.

 All the best,

 Sanghee

 [0]http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct
 [1]http://2015.foss4g.org
 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision
 [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

[Milo van der Linden]

Hahaha!

I appreciate this. Maybe we need to add some statistics to your
political-correctness-o-meter to measure how much of the world population
is potentially still on board at the final slide. This will give a clear
insight of how many people will come to the event. ;-)
On Jun 24, 2015 3:41 PM, Iván Sánchez i...@sanchezortega.es wrote:

 El Miércoles 24. junio 2015 12.42.40 Charles Schweik escribió:
  [...] I was raising the question that those slides could turn some women
 off
  who are considering attending and I think [...]

 I feel obliged to jump in the thread, because this looks just like a recent
 case of the limits of joking in Spanish media.

 Imagine this: Person A makes a joke involving person B who was a victim of
 a
 terrorist bombing. Person C throws a tantrum and tells the media I'm sure
 B
 finds A's jokes insulting, thus A must resign from his job[1]. Then,
 person B
 jumps in and publicly states that she never felt offended by A's jokes at
 all[2].

 [1] http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2015/06/13/madrid/1434219265_951793.html
 [2]
 http://www.larazon.es/opinion/columnistas/mas-fuerte-que-el-odio-AF10047124


 In other words: Saying Person A should take this down because I find it
 offensive is perfectly OK. Saying Person A should take this down because
 it
 is possibly potentially offensive to a third party is not OK (and actually
 erodes the right to freedom of expression).


 I need to ask for **evidence-based policy** here. There is a big difference
 between a Dali painting *maybe* turning someone off FOSS4G and a Dali
 painting
 *actually* turning someone off FOSS4G.



 Furthermore, there is such a thing like too much political correctness. I
 will
 illustrate *ad absurdum* by turning my own political-correctness-o-meter
 up to
 eleven for a second:

 Sanghee should remove slide 15 because blood sausages are maybe potentially
 offensive to muslims and vegans.

 Sanghee should remove slide 17 because the kerning can maybe potentially
 make
 the eyes of experience typesetters bleed.

 Sanghee should remove slides 18 and 19 because they might be potential
 triggers for agoraphobics.

 Sanghee should remove slide 22 because it might be potentially insulting to
 astronomers concerned by light pollution.

 Sanghee should remove slide 23 because it might be potentially insulting to
 grammar nazis.

 I should remove the previous sentence because someone might potentially
 find
 nazis offensive.

 Sanghee should remove slide 25 because it might be potentially insulting to
 geodesists who know circles don't have a meaning outside of distance-
 preserving projections (incidentally, these are the same people offended by
 EPSG:3857 being used everywhere) and find that FOSS4G is not
 representative of
 the professionalism required to attend such an event.

 Sanghee should remove slide 30 because the alignment might be a potential
 trigger for people with obsessive-compulsive disorder.

 Sanghee should remove slides 37-42 because they might be potentially
 offensive
 to alcoholics and former alcoholics.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

[Milo van der Linden]

I do not feel like I can bring anything useful to this discussion, but I
want to express my gratitude that embracing diversity is on the agenda.
This alone is a sign for me that everybody is welcome in this community.

Thanks!
On Apr 3, 2015 1:06 PM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been reading a lot of CoC statements over the last few days, and can
 see how there has been a continual refinement with each new version over
 time.

 2010: Geek Feminism Anti Harassment Policy, http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/
 wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy

 2012: JSConf Code of Conduct, http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html

 2012: O'Reilly Code of Conduct, http://www.oreilly.com/
 conferences/code-of-conduct.html

 April 2014: Debian Code of Conduct, https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

 Dec 2014: Apache CoC, https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.
 html

 I like the Apache CoC, which is well written, and refines and extends the
 best of prior CoCs.

 My thoughts are now moving toward adopting a CoC based on this Apache CoC.

 On 3/04/2015 5:38 pm, Eli Adam wrote:

 With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be great
 if a
 international standard could be created, such as done for Open Source
 Licenses.

 I think that there are a few CoC consolidation efforts like that
 currently, here is one [4] and another [5] that reference the first.
 I can't find all the links right now but recall them from the past.
 There was some OSM work to make one specific to mailing lists [6].
 Here are a handful of additional CoCs too [7], [8], [9], [10].

 CoC is inherently different than licenses.  Licenses have
 compatibility issues and there are strong forces which promote
 well-known compatible licenses.  Various companies have lawyers review
 licenses for compatibility too.  There is no concept of compatibility
 in CoC, nor are diverse legal resources dedicated to it.  So CoC is a
 realm (unlike licenses) where everyone can have their just slightly
 different CoC without causing incompatibility.  Despite the
 variability, all strive to promote a safe, productive, functioning
 community for all.

 Eli


 [4] http://citizencodeofconduct.org/
 [5] http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html
 [6] https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/
 mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md
 [7] https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct
 [8] https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct
 [9] https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct
 [10] https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies (list of
 others, mostly ~2012)




  [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct
 [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct
 [3]
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_
 Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy


 On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:

 Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start reason
 on
 that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this item in the
 CoC.

 Thanks.

 Best.

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 Inviato: martedì 31 marzo 2015 08.33
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 Cc: OSGeo Discussions
 Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang.
 Was:
 Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)


 Hi,

 My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes
 people
 forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only occasionally, which
 can
 lead to misunderstandings.

 Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of writing,
 but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but also in
 private,
 what can be even harder than writing (you can not take your time to
 figure
 out the best way how to express, what you need).

 And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.


 J


 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:00 Andrea Aime andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it
 wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter 
 cameron.shor...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks all for the feedback.
 So my question is:
 1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we have a
 multilingual community?

 I believe it's still a good idea.




 2. What should 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MYGEOSS - Open Data Challenge

[Milo van der Linden]

Hello Arnulf,

Thanks for sharing!

Kind regards,

Milo
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wrote:

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 this may be interesting for our open geodata group. Have an application
 using and leveraging Open Data, preferably in the EU? Then check this out:
 http://digitalearthlab.jrc.ec.europa.eu/mygeoss/call.cfm

 Have fun,
 Arnulf
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo in Belgium

[Milo van der Linden]

Maybe a euroland chapter? Or a gitmo nation lowlands chapter?

In the morning!

2015-03-17 11:36 GMT+01:00 Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com:
 Go, Belgium, gogogo!

 út 17. 3. 2015 v 11:08 odesílatel Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com
 napsal:

 Dear list,

 Following some contacts I had since FOSDEM 2015, I think there is some
 opportunity to start with a local chapter in Belgium.
 There is already the .nl (dutch speaking chapter)[1] and the .fr (french
 speaking chapter)[2], but a local chapter has other benifits (bringing
 OSGeo closer to the local people).

 We want to organize a physical meeting with the local OSGeo people in
 Belgium to see if there is enough critical mass and interest to start
 with a local chapter.

 I also talked with Pieter Colpaert[3] in cc, active in the open
 knowledge foundation in Belgium. As they have already a legal non profit
 structure, where also the local chapter of OSM Belgium [4] has a place,
 we cooperate with this organisation and become also a working group
 under the umbrella of the open knowledge foundation.

 So 2 questions to the community:

 1. Do you agree with the fact that we investigate how we can join forces
 with the open knowledge foundation Belgium to start up the Belgium
 chapter of OSGeo

 2. Who is interested to Join a physical meeting in Brussels to find out
 if there is support for a OSGeo Belgium Chapter?
 For this second question, you may mail me directly, so we don't over
 post this list.
 I'll send out a doodle end of the week to the list, but will also
 include everybody showing interest.

 thanks in advance for your reaction,
 Dirk


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 [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Francophone
 [3] http://www.openknowledge.be/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

[Milo van der Linden]

Dirk,

I feel your e-mail nails it on the spot.

Well spoken, I totally agree.

Milo


2014-07-01 18:46 GMT+02:00 Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com:

 Although I am not so active on the mailing list,  I am an OSGeo's
 advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can.

 I became an OSGeo member in 2007 because I was proud on what the
 organisation did and I wanted to support it, with the scarce resources I
 own.

 One of the things I appreciate enormously is

 - The organisation is open (as in open source)
 - Becoming a member of the organisation is totally free (*yes* like in
 free beer!)
 - the organisation has a perfect DNA:
 - members can
 - act as *A* user
 - act as *T*echnical skilled person (sofware developers,
 industry, documentation)
 - work at *G*overmental body
 - member of the s*C*ientific world (academic world)

 In the world of today *free* as in gratis, *free* as in *free* *beer*,
 doing something for
 somebody else is very rare (scarce) that it becomes very valuable.
 Being a part of a community like OSGeo not only is *fun* but also gives
 you a *good* feeling, and it is very motivating to work in a company or
 organisation that supports OSGeo.

 I may be naive, but for me personally this works out well, and having
 that feeling is one of the important incentives to keep contributing to
 the community. (And by the way, working with other members of the OSGeo
 community didn't result in any bad experience until now)

 Of course, an organisation needs money, To support some stuff (.svn or
 whathever goal is worth supporting). But I think we should keep the
 membership *free* (and not as in *free* beer!), because it is in my eyes
 a very essential part of OSGeo:

 Core principles are:

 OSGeo should act as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation.
 OSGeo should focus support on OSGeo communities and initiatives
 which support themselves.  [1]

 As in DNA, different chains have different roles.

 *G*overnments are happy to have such a movement as the Free and open
 source software [2] movement, because they can avoid vendor lock-in,
 gain control over their projects (read: become free again), and save a
 lot of money. They should take this advantage seriously and sponsor open
 source activities.

 the s*C*ientific world is happy to use open source solutions, because
 they can study the tools themselves and focus on research, not being
 bothered of the licenses they are using.
 They also should take this advantage seriously and donate scientific
 relevant material they don't want to exploit immediately to the community.

 *A*ny user should be free (*not* as in free beer) to use and experiment
 with the results of what the community is producing. The community
 should welcome *A*ny user and help him to find his way, so he can take
 his responsibility and earn respect for what he is doing.

 And last but not least: the *T*echnically skilled persons are the heart
 of the community. Being able to create great teamwork and donate back to
 the community. Also they should take their responsibility and earn the
 respect they deserve.

 But where is the money we need to operate the organisation?

 Personally, I don't think it are the users nor the community members who
 should take care of that. Because the belonging to the community should
 remain a *free* right, where the value comes from respect and the
 intense feeling of giving something without expecting something back.

 The strange thing is that many of the members are also professional
 involved into OSGeo (acting as A T G or C).
 So I suggest it should not be the (community) members who should pay for
 the support, but these professional actors.
 And they (the professional actors) should become a member (in their role
 of incorporation) to support it. But sponsored membership should not
 give rights to vote, or whatsoever. The only thing you gain is that you,
 as a professional incorporation, are happy with an organisation as
 OSGeo, fighting for your rights to be able to use *free* software.  And
 the sponsors should trust and believe that a low capital, volunteer
 focused organisation will do that for them, as they do it already today.

 The sponsoring should not be an obligation either, but should be the
 common responsibility of the companies sponsoring the FOSS4G events today.

 my 2c

 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Board_Priorities
 [2] http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software

 Dirk
 On 24-06-14 15:12, Even Rouault wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Interesting topic that raises quite a few questions.
 
  I think that all people who have commented in that thread have not
 necessarily
  agreed if membership fees would be something in addition to the
 nomination and
  election processs, or if it would replace it.
 
  If we switch to a paid membership, one would likely have to identify the
  benefits brought by being a member. Voting rights for the board would
 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo as organization at Ohloh?

[Milo van der Linden]

Nice!

I found two projects missing on your stack:

https://www.ohloh.net/p/proj4
https://www.ohloh.net/p/udig

Kind regards,

Milo

2013/3/15 Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com:
 Mateusz and I have added all OSGeo projects to the organization page on
 Ohloh: https://www.ohloh.net/orgs/OSGeo

 Nice to see the total stats, wow!

 If there are other ohloh users who want to help us manage this please
 let us know.

 -mateusz  jeff



 On 2013-02-28 6:00 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
 Hi,

 The Ohloh service launched beta of organizationst:
 http://www.ohloh.net/orgs

 Most if not all OSGeo projects are present at Ohloh.

 Would it be a good idea to add OSGeo there?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Public Safety OSGeo Interests Here?

[Milo van der Linden]

Interested! Big time. Although I am not sure whether I can afford to travel
to the USA for this. Keep us posted as I will keep monitoring this topic.

Thanks!

Milo

2013/1/24 Arnie Shore shor...@gmail.com

 Bob, thanks;  that is most interesting.  I will be looking to get
 current on what it is and how we might connect up.

 Pls keep me in the loop re anything happening there that wdn't show up
 on the OSGeo list.

 AS

 On 1/24/13, Moskovitz, Bob@DOC bob.moskov...@conservation.ca.gov wrote:
  Hi Arnie,
 
  I'm interested in Public Safety application area.
 
  We have a yearly exercise called Golden Guardian and this year the
 exercise
  is a simulation of a catastrophic earthquake in the San Francisco Bay
 area.
  We are using Unified Incident Command and Decision Support
  (http://uicds.us/) to share information with with other state and
 federal
  agencies that are participating in this exercise.  It would be so cool if
  there are more UICDS clients such as mobile apps.
 
  Bob
 
 
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  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:46 AM
  To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Public Safety OSGeo Interests Here?
 
  I'd be interested in hearing from any of you with interests in the Public
  Safety applications area.
 
  I for one have such interests, being one of the developers behind our
 Open
  Source (mostly) Computer-Aided-Dispatch application, Tickets by name, in
  which geo plays a major role.
 
  In truth my specialized interest right now is rather narrow, this being
 in
  interoperability with many of the commercial deodata formats, notably
  accommodating shapefiles within Leaflet for use with OSM tilesets and
 data.
  Which interest admittedly is probably best served by hanging out in the
  Leaflet and OSM neighborhoods.
 
  But other practitioners in the PS world may well have broader interests
 than
  mine, and I'd like very much to contact you to see if any
  cross-fertilization occurs.
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is Your Project In OSGeo Labs?

[Milo van der Linden]

Would it be good if opengeocoder joins forces with openstreetmap nominatim?
 Op 29 nov. 2012 03:05 schreef Stephen Woodbridge wood...@swoodbridge.com
het volgende:

 On 11/28/2012 7:31 PM, Landon Blake wrote:

 I'm in the process of trying to take over as the steward for OSGeo
 Labs as part of my duties with the OSGeo Incubation Committee. As part
 of this process I'd like to get a handle on the projects that are in
 labs. There is a short list of stable and young and experimental
 projects on the current Labs wiki page. Since I'm editing that page
 today, here is the list:

 Stable Projects:
 - GeoWebCache
 - pgRouting

 Young and Experimental Projects
 - GeoExt
 - GeoFunctions
 - Geoinformatica


 I think these are more or less mine:

  - OpenGeocoder
 - OpenRouter


 There is an OpenGeocoderRouter list that I started but there is no viable
 activity on it at this time.

 OpenRouter is a project related to internet routing. I started
 OpenGraphRouter using a GSoC project to get started. The goal was to create
 a routing solution that was MIT-X licensed instead of GPL. We have sine
 joined forces with pgRouting and are developing the code that is MIT-X
 algorithms, which can be bundled with pgRouting effectively making them
 dual licensed.

 OpenGeocoder.net appears to be Steve Coast @ Microsoft and not related to
 OSGeo stuff.

 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/**OpenGeocoderhttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenGeocodernever
  got off the ground, but I have been working with PAGC over the last
 few years. Our big issue at the moment is addressing some serious
 performance issues when you scale up from county level data sets to
 national data sets. Basically it is just me and Walter, the developer,
 working behind the scenes on these technical issues. Once these are
 resolved I hope to see if we can some activity going again with this.

 On a side note, I have take the address standardizer from PAGC, built it
 as a library and wrapped it into a postgresql stored procedure extension.
 Based on that I have prototyped up a Tiger geocoder that works very well
 and is very fast. I'm still work on various things so it is not ready for
 prime time but this might eventually become OpenSource also.

 I'm not sure what it means or how you get a project like these in labs
 but these are mostly orphaned except I have an interest in them and will
 respond to queries about them.

 Thanks,
   -Steve

  - Grids
 - OSGeo Graphics
 - pycsw
 - OWSLib
 - SemanticGeo
 - ZOO-Project

 Can you please let me know if you are involved with one of these
 projects? I'm trying to determine which projects are in labs, and
 then establish a point of contact with each project so I can help them
 get ready for official incubation.

 Thanks.

 Landon

 P.S. - If you have thoughts on the purpose and work of OSGeo Labs,
 please let me know. I have my own vision, but I'd like to get feedback
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Happy GIS Day to all (Now - FREE GIS Day - not Today :-)

[Milo van der Linden]

Looking forward to pregisday as it is to gisday what sunday is to monday; a
globally recognized free day!

Op 15 nov. 2012 20:44 schreef Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com het volgende:

 For those who don't use twitter (e.g. me), here's what is going on.

 Twitter #PostGIS Day.

 https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PostGISsrc=hash

 Noli





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  It comes down to the usual: much easier to complain about something
  that's already there, than actually doing something :)
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source GIS and Transportation (T M)

[Milo van der Linden]

That's great!

1. There is an open source database calles postgresql that had a module 
called postgis to store spatial data
2. postgresql has another add on calle pgrouting which enhances the 
postgis database with routing

3. There is a open source desktop GIS called qGIS
4. You can create webbased solutions with openlayers

I am lead developer for a dispatch-web- GIS (911 or 112 as it is called 
in the Netherlands) where we use this combination to show moving 
vehicles and do dynamic dispatching. For us this was all possible with a 
complete open source chain of products.


Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

On 09/19/2012 02:32 AM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:


I'm interested in open source GIS and transportation.

Though I am on the east coast of Australia...

Kind regards,
*
Nick Lawrence*
Senior Spatial Science Officer | Geospatial, Road Assets  Design
*Engineering  Technology* | Department of Transport and Main Roads


Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring 
Hill Qld 4000

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W: _www.tmr.qld.gov.au_ http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/

discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org wrote on 19/09/2012 01:11:17 AM:

 From: Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at
 To: calu_...@yahoo.com
 Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Date: 19/09/2012 01:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source GIS and Transportation (T M)
 Sent by: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org

 Hi Tom,

 I would be interested to hear what you are planning and how to
 collaborate. I'm working in transportation research (not US but
 Europe) and the main tools we use for spatial data analysis are
 PostGIS and QGIS.

 Regards,
 Anita

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 I am part of a Transportation GIS group and we are looking to be put
 together? a webinar on using Open Source for Transportation in the
 United States.? Is anyone interested or know if anyone?
 ?
 Thanks
 Tom Mueller
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] fleet management

[Milo van der Linden]

1) A good starting point would be http://www.opengts.org/
2) Yes. I am interested in a working group, preferably when there are
business cases addressing the need for open source fleet management.

Dimitris Kotzinos schreef:
 Dear all,

 I have a couple of quick questions looking for equally quick :) answers.
 1/ does anyone know of an open source solution for fleet management?
 2/ if not, is there an interest of starting/setting up a group to work
 on this?

 Thanks in advance,

 Best,

 Dimitris


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] This Thread is Dead (was Re: Comparison between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS)

[Milo van der Linden]

Whoahaha!

Bill, excellent quote! I will store this and present it on another
mailinglist as quote of the day.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bob Basques bo...@gritechnologies.comwrote:

 All,

 This THREAD will never be dead, only the subject will change (I'm afraid.)
   :c)

 bobb





 Bill Thoen wrote:

 Message subjects, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while.
 Usually for the same reasons, too.



 Traian Stanev wrote:



 However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal provision
 to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve been doing that
 since forever…


 ;-)




 *From:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
 discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Desrochers
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM
 *To:* rkgeo...@cadmaps.com; OSGeo Discussions
 *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between
 MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS


 One thing to consider using a cloud approach with Amazon is the license
 agreement concerning your data.
 Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be made
 available to the US government.

 Not all corporations are ready to live with that.

 Richard

 2009/5/30 Randy George rkgeo...@cadmaps.com mailto:
 rkgeo...@cadmaps.com

 Cloud options are looking interesting.

 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/  Windows, Linux, Solaris options

 I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a
 problem. But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No license to
 get tangled with load balancing and auto scaling where servers come and go
 as needed. Mostly I've seen small business interest since they tend to take
 overhead costs more seriously.

 It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum,
 because that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look good
 compared to in-house hardware.

 Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget
 allocations already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in this
 economy even that could be changing.

 AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as S3
 Backup, multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge cache, and
 elastic IP.

 http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/

 And for the real bleeding edge http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/
 (Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless
 academically oriented :-)

 rkgeorge

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 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:
 discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:
 discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers
 and ESRI ArcIMS

 I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security than
 it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already
 over-extended support load.  In many cases it just makes sense to spend
 $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, is easy to
 get qualified techs for, and just works with the existing systems.  It
 doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to keep track of and
 one more thing to go wrong.

 If you want to win the open source battle at small organisations that
 don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the application
 level where you can make a strong business case on a feature-by-feature
 level, and with additional arguments about truly open data being more
 sustainable and less risky.  Personally I think that an open source or
 bust attitude is not very pragmatic.  Sell open source software where it
 is the best tool for the job, but pick your battles.

 Jason

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 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers
 and ESRI ArcIMS

 That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work.
 Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running
 servers.
 Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual
 machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is.

 Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc.
 The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which
 there are plenty online now.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Please translate the FOSS4G 2009 description

[Milo van der Linden]

Dutch translation; done.

A few remarks: The CCIP: the topic focuses on technique; shouldn't it be 
more written towards what climate change topics for example will be covered?


Overall it seems targeted towards two groups; tech or new to open 
source. Are there any triggers available regarding strategy, future or 
success stories? Because those would trigger the general decision maker..


I will see if some ideas on this particular topics come up and if they 
do, contact you.


Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden


Cameron Shorter wrote:

Thanks for the translation.
Yes, we should have said EEE PC. Feel free to correct the English (and 
any other text which is incorrectly copied).


Khanh Le Ngoc Quoc wrote:


Hi Cameron,

I'm translating the document into Vietnamese. There's a word EEPC 
in it, did you want to mean EEE PC?


Regards,

--
Khanh Le Ngoc Quoc


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Cameron Shorter 
cameron.shor...@gmail.com mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you to everyone who has provided translations so far at:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Annonces_foss4g_fr

We are getting a good coverage of the European languages now.
I'd love to also see representation from our close neighbors as
well. Are there people on this list from:
PNG, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, China, Japan, 
...


I'm also interested to know of any local user communities and to
hear suggestions on how to make FOSS4G attractive to your local
region. If appropriate, we'd like to set up a specific stream of
presentations or tutorials addressing specific needs of the
Asia/Pacific region.


Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi,
We would like to add a local language message for our key
FOSS4G selling page, which will be copied onto our web page,
and locally targeted media releases.

Please let us know if you can help (ideally within the
upcoming week). We are looking for one page of translation,
which is to be copied into subversion here:

https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2009/documents/propaganda/What%20is%20FOSS4G%20en.doc 






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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: [Majas-dev] [Majas-users] Flex in geomajas

[Milo van der Linden]

+1 for flex;

I am using a xubuntu 64bits distro as operating system. recently the 
people at adobe released a 64 bit pre-release for flashplayer 10 and it 
works like a charm here. It is good to see that adobe is putting effort 
into 64bit too.


The adobe air platform is also moving to maturity on linux, so that is 
another good thing to guarantee a large user base.


As an example; the french gendarme is completely moving away from 
windows: 
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iU4Lq7tOR_WVOJLZ3IeRaIH03x6w and 
becoms more and more linux based. It seems to may that governmental 
bodies like this could really benefit from a good mapping application 
that is no longer depending on ocx's or other windows only 
architectures. I would not bet my money on microsoft silverlight as an 
alternative to flex.



Mapping with flex would really light my heart!

Leonardo Mateo wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@dfc.be wrote:
  

Sorry for the cross posting, but I found an interesting mail about
performance and webmapping in the majas developers list.

Today, Geomajas is written in Java for the server part, and uses Javascript
in the frontend.
Although the performance is good enough to support a proper amount of
editable objects, we always are looking to mechanisms to improve the speed
and usability of the front end.

Pieter has done some tests with the Flex technology and they are very
promising(details in his mail attached).
Should it be a problem for distribution that the technology is shipped in
the form of an installable plug-in instead of native browser technology such
as VML or SVG, or isn't that an issue?

And who has experience with this technology?

I would appreciate your feedback ...




Ok, here's my grain of sand. I don't know what geomajas is, so I don't
know how much Flex would impact on this.
I've been working with Flex from the past two years or so, now a days
a little less intensive, but still working. I've worked with two or
three map API's for Flex and I have to say that totally worth it.
About the speed, I haven't seen any benchmark bu ActionScript3 should
be way faster than JavaScript and should work fine with large amount
of data, wether you use raw XML or some other technology such as AMF*.
About the downside Pieter mention there, I think in these days, the
Flash plugin is something you should have on a browser, it is not a
strange requirement anymore. However, you shouldn't confuse Flash with
Flex, even when a Flex application is a Flash movie, their are used
for completly different things and can work togheter since you can,
from Flex, use resources from an swf made in Flash.

Anyway, my opinion is: go for it if your UI is complex enough, Flex
allows you to build a really complex, advanced UI with advanced
widgets that looks, performs and behaves really good. Programming AS
is way much easier than JavaScript (I come from a JS background too)
not to mention modularization possibilites with Flex Modules and
Libraries also, you should reduce the browser compatibility issues in
a 95% at least.


Hope it helps.
  


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Map of Wiki/OSGeo Members

[Milo van der Linden]

Oh, and I forgot to mention

put any type of ohloh registered project as a parameter and you will see 
user locations for that project.


for example:

http://www.mapserv.nl/osmohloh/index.html?project=mapserver



Rafal Wawer wrote:

Hi Christian,
A very nice map indeed.
The functionality is good and fast, however a possibility to make zoom 
with bounding box would be a nice addon.

The outlook is very similiar to http://spatial-reference.org.

Best regards
or
MfG (-:
Raf



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Hello,

today I setup a live demo of the mediawiki extension I wrote on a 
internet accessible mediawiki installation on Arnulfs server. - 
http://arnulf.us/UserLocalization_Example


In the moment its not really showing what its made for because there 
are only two users of this wiki instance in the moment.


Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) schrieb:
How is it going on your project, what is the status? Your efforts 
sound really interesting and could be broadly useful - so I hope you 
can finish it.


It is not the question If I finish it, it is only the question when. 
;-) But I like to work on it and I'm willing to make it better and 
better.
I'm not convinced that geocoding IPs is going to be as useful for 
OSGeo though - I think that many members will never use the wiki. 
Recently I checked revisions and more than half the revisions were 
done by only 10 people :) To get the categories set for each user did 
you have to do them manually, or did most people do it themselves 
after the reminder?


Yes, and also the privacy thing is maybe an issue. I think not 
everybody wants to have a track of his editing locations public 
accessible. Its just a nice thing for a geo mashup with the geocoding 
service I thought... and there was something about it on the 
discussion page ( 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category_talk:OSGeo_Member ).


I will try to make some more functions and improve it. I would be very 
happy for any suggestions for what could be better done or what would 
be a good additional function.


Best regards,
Christian
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project management software (foss) for GISprojects

[Milo van der Linden]

One more ;-)

http://www.openworkbench.org

Most important thing in project management is managing. If the ultimate
project tool would exists, we would have less project-managers (Am I
having a pleasant dream?)

You might consider looking at PRINCE2 and ITIL methodology. If you
manage to translate these methods to practice, your project might become
a success.

Regie Alam wrote:
 A good GIS project management is perhaps the product
 by GeoCue
 (http://www.niirs10.com/Products/geocue.htm). Haven't
 actually used the software yet but have been looking
 at it for a while.
 
 Is there something similar in the FOSS world? Would it
 be possible to customize the Gantt Project and/or Dot
 Project to be similar to GeoCue's?
 
 Regie
 
 
 --- Marco Lechner
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 You also could try dotproject as PM:
 http://www.dotproject.net/
 dorProject is an ordinary Project Management
 Software. What special 
 features, in general, should a PMS have to support
 GIS-projects?

 Marco

 Gavin Fleming schrieb:
 Good general purpose FOSS (Java) project
 management tool is
 http://www.ganttproject.biz/

 Gavin 


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 software (foss) for
 GISprojects

 Alex,

 Thank you for your reply.  The versioning for
 postgis seems a good one.
 However, what I'm looking for is a general purpose
 PMS for planning,
 coordinating GIS projects.

 I'll try postgis versioning though.  Thanks!

 maning

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 maning sambale wrote:
 
 Hi,

 I'm looking for a FOSS PMS for managing GIS
 projects.  Are there any
 you can recommend?  I'm looking at trac, it's
 primarily for managinf
 software projects.  Is there anybody here who
 have used it for
 managing GIS projects?

 cheers,
 maning
   
 Trac/svn really isn't a good option since it
 would keep copies of
 
 every
   
 version of the binary. Poking around a little I
 found something based
 
 on
   
  versioning of Postgis data.

 http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Versioning+Postgis
 Maybe that's more what you're looking for, it
 would track individual
 
 record
   
 http://www.dotproject.net/changes within your
 spatial layers.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] End of life for Community Mapbuilder

[Milo van der Linden]

Hello Cameron!

Excellent decision! It takes a lot of courage to admit that the value of
a project is decreased because of the competition. Despite the fact that
some components of mapbuilder are really great!

I hope the knowledge of the people who worked on mapbuilder will find
its way into the OSGeo projects and that those people will find equal
pleasure in helping the other projects grow and mature!


Sincerely,

Milo van der Linden

Cameron Shorter wrote:
   End of life for Community Mapbuilder
 
 We, the Mapbuilder Project Steering Committee, have agreed that the time has 
 come for the Community Mapbuilder http://communitymapbuilder.org/ project 
 to 
 gracefully retire. We will release a final, stable 1.5 version of the 
 software, 
 and afterwards there are no planned enhancements to Mapbuilder. The web pages 
 and code will be kept alive, a few bugs might be fixed and we will likely 
 continue answering user queries, but we expect Mapbuilder will gradually fade 
 away into history.
 
 
 Why?
 
 Mapbuilder is a stable, feature rich, standards compliant, fast, webmapping 
 framework with a strong developer community. Why has it come to the end of 
 its life?
 
 The browser based webmapping space has become crowded and other webmapping 
 clients have increased in functionality and attractiveness to users. In 
 particular, Openlayers is simpler to use, has attracted an increabibly strong 
 developer community, has good quality control and development processes, and 
 has 
 developed most of the webmapping functionality previously only offered by 
 Mapbuilder. Basically Openlayers is attacting the majority of the users and 
 developers that previously would have used Mapbuilder. One day someone will 
 write a compelling paper on the history of the two similar projects and 
 analyse 
 the key differences and decision points which led to one project out shining 
 the 
 other.
 
 
 But we are not crying
 
 Well, maybe we feel a twing of loss for the Mapbuilder project we started 
 years 
 ago, but in the bigger picture, we see the retiring of Mapbuilder as a good 
 thing. It will allow the greater web mapping community to consolidate and 
 rally 
 around the remaining webmapping tools – in particular, around Openlayers.
 
 There has been significant collaboration between the Mapbuilder and 
 Openlayers 
 communities over the last couple of years. Mapbuilder has incorporated 
 Openlayers as its rendering engine and fetures have been shared between 
 projects. In many cases, developers from both projects worked together on the 
 same codebase (in Openlayers), then ported up to Mapbuilder. This was a 
 deliberate move toward the merging of the two developer communities and most 
 of 
 the Mapbuilder Project Steering Committee have contributed to the Openlayers 
 codebase.
 
 So in essence, by changing our allegience from Mapbuilder to Openlayers we 
 take 
 with us some of our code, we replace some features with equivalent Openlayers 
 features, we take our community with us, and we gain an existing, robust and 
 welcoming community.
 
 
 What should Mapbuilder users do?
 
 Users have a few options. You already own the source code, so you are welcome 
 to 
 continue maintaining and extending the Mapbuilder code for as long as you 
 like. 
 At some point, users will likely want to upgrade, and at that point we 
 suggest 
 considering Openlayers for your application. It now provides the majority of 
 the 
 fuctionality that was previously only offered by Mapbuilder.
 
 
 What about Mapbuilder's standing with OSGeo?
 
 Having a graduated OSGeo project retire might be seen as an embarassment for 
 OSGeo, however, I'd argue it is a strength. It shows two projects growing 
 together under the OSGeo umbrella and evenually merging into a stronger, more 
 focused community.
 
 However, it does raise a dilemma with regards to what should be done with a 
 retired project. Some of the key OSGeo criteria, like “Community Backing” and 
 “Best of Breed Software” will gradually be lost, so we should not continue to 
 promote Mapbuilder. Still, we wouldn't want to erase Mapbuilder's history 
 with 
 OSGeo as our community has documented valuable lessons learned during the 
 graduation process.
 
 I suggest a new “retired” category be created which keeps track of retired 
 projects.
 
 
 Thanks
 
 We, the project steering committee, have derived a huge amount of pleasure 
 building Mapbuilder and working with the Mapbuilder Community. For many of 
 us, 
 Mapbuilder has been a launching pad into a fullfilling Open Source and/or 
 Geospatial career. We'd like to thank all the users, developers and 
 supporters 
 of Mapbuilder we have met along the way.
 
 
 
 The Mapbuilder Project Steering Committee, (in order of appearance):
 
 *
 
   Cameron Shorter
 
 *
 
   Mike Adair
 
 *
 
   Patrice Cappelaere
 
 *
 
   Steven M. Ottens
 
 *
 
   Matt Diez

[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: studies / comparisons of software that serves OGC standards

[Milo van der Linden]

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Hello Bruce,

I ran into a similar question. I am currently wrapping up a presentation
for the upcoming OSGeo conference in the Netherlands.

It is hard to find key figures on Open source GIS on the internet,
especially when you want to combine it with figures and fact of closed
source products. My guess is that the only good thing to do is set up a
solid survey and try to get attendees from the entire GIS community. As
the group owner of the GIS group on www.linkedin.com, I have access to
1200+ GIS professionals. My intention is to set up a webbased survey
using limesurvey (open source), mail my linkedIN group members and see
what comes out.

My purpose is to make the survey results available to ALL. I have filled
out so many surveys in the past, but never recieved a full set of data
to use the survey results for myself. In this I want to make a change,
if people fill out the survey, they will recieve FULL access to the
results giving them all rights to use that data for themselves.

I find it a little difficult to create all the survey questions and
since I am no professional enqueteer, I would like to see if there are
any volunteers around to help me set up a killer survey (in terms of
hitting the right spot, not having the most questions) I will be able to
set up the survey technically, but when it comes to the questionaire;
please help!

I hereby challenge volunteers to contact me. And remember, even if you
have just a single question that you would like to see full-filled, you
are already helping! If you have a GIS contact list that you would like
to address with the survey, that is also of great help.

Please let me know what you people think about this.

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